Hello! I don’t think I imagined it - but here’s the link to the image for you to decide for yourselves. Photoshop away! drive.google.com/file/d/1W-aYFqgMO-bvOsbgGw1hU3FApCt1ieTs Let us know what you find!
Nobody is talking about it but got to praise the editor on MotorInc. Graphics look very readable and cool. Correct highlights in the correct places. Overall a job well done.
Never thought I would get addicted to watch two professionals just speaking facts and about their real experience with cars and bike. I have been a fan of Kartikeya since the 2014 Honda City Review at Autocar India. I would love to see both of you discuss about Motorsport especially Formula 1 as I feel there are no authentic shows and podcasts about the same in India. Hope this happens and that if it does, that it might be the start of something big!
Shumi's summary 10/10. Crisp audio, great detailing with b rolls and all those overlays. I like the jumbled way of topics! kinda keeps me interested (personally).
Chassis: Nexon was test for EV so it carried over with existing frame. Tiago was test for mass market. The new platform (used in Punch) would surely be under development when Nexon EV Max came out (it takes time to build, test and get approvals). So it is less about they fixed mistake but more like "lets first see if people are buying it". I heard this in one of the recent interview from senior Tata person. Battery and Range: For range, Tiago EV in general consumes 130Wh/Km and with EV understood driving this can be 110Wh/KM. It being 24kWh battery the range would be 184KM and 218KM respectively. (In winters it can further come down to 100Wh/KM (240KM) and we have achieved 85Wh/KM (282KM as well)). So with 35kWh battery of Punch the numbers can 150Wh/KM, 125Wh/KM and 100Wh/KM mostly translating to 233KM, 280KM and 350KM. Build: I have Hexa and I still see the build issue in cars of that cost 😅
@@Naps56 Bought a 5yr old used (1L KM) Hexa just a year back. Not shifting anytime soon. The confidence this car gives while driving is something I don't get in Innova as well (not sure about the Hycross though).
May be they perceive this as pure city car, where puncture shops are easily available. Perhaps that is why they skipped spare wheel. In all my 13 years of car driving, I had a puncture only once, and that too when it was parked in my office parking. For an EV, I guess this should be fine.
Another point about having the charging point where the fuel filler cap would usually go is that when parked, the car now takes up extra room on the side which is not the case when the charger is mounted up front, extra space that can be taken up by two wheelers for people with small garages.
I'm using Altroz for last 3.5 years, the service where not that great in initial 2 years. Then came Luxon Tata the new sales and service partner in Kerala, I'm honestly saying they actually stepped up the game , very professional approach . Owner of Luxon is Nippon who was famous for Nippon Toyota as well as Incheon kia.
My Dad is a big fan of the RE Super Meteor 650 for the way it looks, showed your ThisConnect episode to him about it. At first, he saw the length of the episode and was a little hesitant to listen to the entire thing, but once he did listen to it he loved it, the amount of detail you guys presented about the vehicle itself and its experience is just mind blowing to him.
U guys should start a series with guests for sat down discussion & have a free flowing conversation like u guys do normally. Guest suggestion ather ceo, ola ceo and mahindra ceo .
Actually a CEO who drives/rides what he/she sells would be better. Even if that's a (remote) possibility, the best would be a conversation with an actual buyer-cum-user - especially after the honeymoon phase of new car ownership is over.
What I feel 5 lac upfront cost is higher if we compare current battery price from china. In india this approximately 12000 per kilowatt so for 25 kw cost of battery should be approximately 3 lac. Futhermore, their is no engine and other extra assembly and the price of motor I think should be lower than a engine. So this 3 lac extra justify the real cost in India for present scenario. Correct if i am wrong
love the way technically you guys explain and have conversation in studio. i have been following you guys from the very early years.. and this MotorInc has all together a different presentation. Kudos to you guys
The video Shumi mentioned about hiding booze in the frunk, it showed up on my IG a few days ago and I was equally as taken aback, more at the fact that they made that video AT THE OFFICIAL LAUNCH EVENT! 8:28
I listen to you guys when the work kinda gets mundane. And it is an absolute treat. And everytime I watch one of your videos again, I'll notice some more details about the vehicle that I missed the last time. Till now three of my friends/colleagues have bought the bikes I suggested to them, and they thank me everytime we meet. (We work remotely, so we meet like once every 2-4 months...).
I think we used to have the same conversation about whether I should pay ₹2L extra for diesel over petrol and the answer would be if your daily driving is more, you would recover the extra money paid for the diesel engine in the long run. The same applies here. If your daily driving is 50-100 km, you can recover the extra premium of an EV quickly. The only caveat is that EV has the range issue that diesel engines never had. So from an economical POV, EV is suitable if mostly you have a daily driving of 50-100km in the city and occasional road trips to nearby picnic/tourist spots. IMO, EVs make much more sense for cab drivers because they can easily do about 200 km daily in the city, charge the passengers the same amount as other ICE cabs, and recover the invested money quickly. For others, you are investing the extra money more for the experience and less for savings.
@@motorinc That does it, then, doesn't it? If someone drives 30,000km in two years, there is the cost recovered right there - in two years! And after that, it's a steep downward curve on every km travelled - ₹3 per km (worst case scenario, commercial charging, some states/outlets charging more for stations, best case would be ₹2/km) as compared to ₹4.66 per km (best case scenario of 25km/L and assuming oil price at ₹100/L, ₹10,000 in annual maintenance). What's crucial is to weigh whether people are willing to take 1 hour breaks every 3 hours to charge the battery for longer trips. My dad drives a Tata Punch AMT Creative and he gets 13km/L in city and 22-24km/L on highways. However, he drives less than 8,000km in a year now and EV isn't really a cost effective solution from there. One can make the case for added comfort in even the base Punch EV, but that base model severely limits my father's drive to the hills on weekends.
I have a Harrier, and I like the feature of drive modes changing up to the higher mode when accelerating harder. Also, in Guwahati, the Eco drive mode works good because the traffic is that slow.
Are there any plans for a Harrier/Safari ev? I feel it would make a lot of sense as these cars don’t have much competition from the segment above(Fortuner is much more expensive and Meridian is all but irrelevant) Great video btw
Very nuanced, useful conversation. I was interested in this vehicle as soon as i came to know about it. I would rate it the best in India right now for the city car role. Automatic, powerful, safe, high seating, narrow footprint, robust and absorbent suspension, the suspension is specifically made to be 'gunned' on the worst of roads. Add to that the electric vehicle benefits, instant power and torque, and the super low running cost, and you have a winner, which is unbeatable right now. It's a mini-tank, which is fast and exciting to drive too, with almost nil running cost!
Welcome to the era, where cars need charging and software updates. I wonder am i an old man stuck in the new generation, or just too young to understand 😅 One day all of us will eventually shift to evs, but I’m happy its not today. 😊
On price, an apples to apples comparison would be on road price as for the electric versions there is lower taxation. With that considered, the gap would be much narrower.
Sir pls address innova hycross delivery issues... I booked innova hycross zxo model in blakish aghea glass flakes colour on 30th March 2023... no update on delivery.... In delhi ncr there are multiple agents who are associated with toyota dealers and manipulating the cars and are asking upto 4 lacks premium for zxo.... someone says 3 lacs , other says 3.50 depending on the stock and dealer... other than 1 or 2 dealers , most of them are selling cars on premium through agents cheating customers who have already booked the car .... pls address this issue 🙏🙏
Car manufacturers realized that if their cars can drive through our Bengaluru 40% roads, they can go anywhere and will be able to impress content creators.
Driving for 15 +days now.. loving it no issues so far.. only first time when I recharged the vehicle, indicator sound and hazard lights sound just disappeared.. I had documents to pick at showroom just then.. the person spoke to some 'specialist' on phone and did 'force reset' not 'factory reset'.. it's all going fine since then which is about 12 days now. I have the empowerment+ LR without sunroof (I had actually booked NR but instead took LR.. happy that I did).. without sunroof it feels and is roomy and comfortable otherwise I felt when is my head going to hit the roof when I test drove the vehicle with sunroof.. also just love the singleish peddle drive (city mode with regen level 2).. seats r comfortable but could have been better with more neck & upper back support..
@@karanjadhav4597 no.. i have not faced gear nob stuck issue.. only issue i faced twice was indicator sound disappeared twice.. one time i did force reset and the other time the system software itself restarted
@@sshhaank are those problems fixed now? Still the gear issue was a serious problem because you don't want be stuck in traffic due that. Overall how is the car for daily 120 km travel?
@@karanjadhav4597 i have car for about 1.5 months now, and no issues since 1 month.. car drives amazing.. for 120km, u will hav to keep charging daily i guess since i am getting about 270- 280 km range for full charge in city mode
Best part about you guys is that youre not biased like most of the other channels unfortunately and you actually have logical reasoning to support your statements over just simple explanation. Would also love you guys to make another video on the ola s1 pro gen 2 as the entirely new suspension/throttle calibration are big enough changes that its worth another review, and if you could focus a bit more on the handling dept that would be great. If you are still in bangalore and would want to do a video on the s1 pro g2 let me know ill be happy to give my scooter to you guys for testing :D
@@motorinc Thank you! Please keep on pumping the content as 99% of the reviews are just pointing the camera and basically reading the spec sheet. Purchased an ev already but still watch the other ev videos as the content is great look forward for more
@@motorinc ola s1 pro gen 2. By ev generally people get cars in their heads as the first thought but a scooter is a vehicle nonetheless. Was talking about the bajaj chetak review you guys did a few days ago. My father does want to go with a electric car too but given that the technology is immature and will evolve rapidly because it hasnt been researched upon kept me holding on for longer. + extra price/lack of fast chargers/charging infra in general is again is just restricting a bit more
They answered both the questions I had in the video. Thanks @motorinc Let me give people an interesting story about this vehicle. I booked this vehicle and after booking it, i requested for a test drive in two showrooms in bangalore. I got the worst experience even Presales. They told me the car is not launched and it was just a rumor. Please note: they said this after i finished booking the EV. I had booked it in Salem. Had to cancel the booking because of the bad way tata sales people treated me.
@@motorinc Despite Cancelling the booking I still don't have a confirmation on when I would get the refund. I feel they are still trying to convince me. The questions I had was - 1. Would be practical to have it as the first and only car? 2. How would the service be? I'm only gonna use the car outside the city and would probably ride 50k kms in 8-10 years. Mileage is not an issue at all, But range is. The service issue on the other hand is that, if I had a petrol car and the service centre people are irresponsible, I can go to any mechanic and get it fixed in a petrol vehicle. I can't go to anyone for an EV. I have to rely on Tata. That reliability is not something they have earned today. Also software issues scare me more. The bad service experience comes from my brother's Tigor EV. If anyone from tata reads this and thinks they can improve his experience, reach out to me and I'll connect you with him. Had charge stations brick the vehicle. Tata does send RSA? But it takes time. If this happens in any remote areas, at odd time, though the chances are very narrow, you'll feel the stress. They really need to have better people in dealerships. (This all night just be my pessimism for anyone reading. But if I'm spending 15 lacs on a car, I'm not supposed to in fear and anxiety. Just not my cup of tea. I put my peace of mind over anything else)
The regen worked because the battery might not actually be full. They could have limited the usable battery capacity and maintained some buffer capacity. The buffer can also compensate for range loss over time, so that the end user doesn’t notice the range loss.
According to Gagan Chowdry and Vikas from ICN The chassis length can be increased for cars like Safari and Harrier! Please check it, so I feel next line of ev’s from Tata should have this same platform, which is a Win!
I am one of those guys who listens to this podcast on Spotify while doing other stuff. Like on last Sunday, I was cleaning and polishing my motorcycle which got a bit dirty. I put on two podcasts from motorinc first back to back, and started doing my thing. By the time I was done it was already two hours up, my motorcycle was all cleaned polished and lubed and looked like this thing just rolled out of a showroom, yet during this entire process I was neither tired nor bored like everything I did was on autopilot mode. So as far as any improvements are considered, in my pov this podcasts lies strictly within "it ain't broken don't fix it region." So please keep up the good work, because looks like my vehicle's maintenance routine somewhat depends on it.😜
In one of your previous videos I had mentioned how on Oct 6th 2023, I had given my Harrier XZ (the OG first gen) to the Lakshmi Tata OMR (chennai) to repair a rat bite. When you mentioned "service" I had to give you an update. Short version spoiler. I still don't have my car back. Long version, after pongal holidays they did give me the car and you know how after a heart surgery a human just looks 5 years older and other organs are affected, my car feels 10 year old even though it's 4.5 year old. They changed couple of wiring harness and airbag module and somehow managed to add these issues: 1. Steerling alignment is off by 10-15 degrees (yes they delivered it like this). I don't know how the delivery driver drove it like that to my office. 2. Battery drains overnight 3. Airbag indication still persists intermittently 4. AC works but can't change temperature and many other software errors and issues in drive mode, traction control, hill hold, etc. On top of that, they lost my original RC which was in dashboard storage (I know, stupid of me to keep the OG RC there). Somehow they've also my battery cover but the bolts are there in the glove compartment. At this point, I guess any customer would go to consumer court but with everything going on in my life I just don't have the time and energy to go through that so I got the regional customer care head involved who put me in touch with the GM of this dealership who is supposed to solve all issues. I know you can't do it but if you could, I would want you to ask the TATA leadership "should I buy a TATA EV?". Because their engineers aren't trained to handle the electrical components of lesser sophisticated cars that they have. I mean why spend so much on R&D to build a chasis that's comparable to RR Phantom when in one repair their service engineers can turn a fully functioning car with couple of wiring issuees into a completely non drivable car? As I am writing this comment, I am wating for the GM who is on my case to give me an update with another excuse of why he can't deliver today because I am supposed to get it today.
Your content quality is very addictive. Kudos! I have been following and watching your reels and conv like this one. Pretty interesting way to present. Thanks for Standing out!
40,000 kms over a period of time where petrol prices are shooting for stars. "Cost of the ICE cars doesn't matter the cost of maintaining it will be", says Elon Musk when asked about Tata Nano!!
I dont get the logic. Price delta for ice to ev delta is 5lakh which doesn’t seem fair but 16lakh top model makes sense because it has more. But then price delta increases to 10lakh. Basically you can buy 2 ice models. And considering evs have 5% tax compared to 29% on ice the price delta increases to 6lakhs for base models.
Automatic punch ice top model is priced at ~12 lakh. Still leaves a 4lakh delta. On top of that there are govt subsidies on manufacturing and importing ev technology. Even if we consider the ev cost i.e. price before tax to have a 2lakh delta after taxes ex showroom prices should have ~1lakh or less delta
6lakh ex showroom translates to 4.65 lakh + 29% tax So if we consider ev price to be 2lakh more i.e. 6.65 lakh its ex showroom comes to 6.65l +5% which is about 7lakh Govt is providing subsidy to make evs more affordable so that it is more lucrative option but these companies have turned it into money grabbing game.
@@motorinc agreed. The registration charges are quite low compared to ice cars. But not enough to offset the huge sale price delta. Punch ev has a registration charge of 12k compared to 50k on ice. That only shortens a 4-5lakh delta by 40k. Ps: i got the numbers from the internet so feel free to correct me if i am wrong 😊
Punch missed out in the major factor. Which is the rear space, rear comfort and rear specs. For a person like me who is chauffeured driven I find it unreasonable. Does Tata expect Indians to be tiny? Leave aside the gizmos, it’s a tiny car. I would rather go for a Citroen which has good drivability and ample space in cabin and rear. Tata should make cars of international standards
Thank you for yet another detailed review! I have a question: If I'm considering the top model of Punch EV, its around 16L, and yes it feels like a more well-rounded package. But then I think about the XUV 400 EL Pro which is about 2.5 lacs more and that one feels a lot more premium, more spacious, and I loved the audio on XUV a lot better than the one on Punch top (may be the unit I TD had an issue, but it felt lower quality than the one on my 2022 Tigor EV). And given the issues of not tuning the drive modes properly on XUV - I am not able to decide if it's better to save those 2.5 lacs and go with the Punch, whose driving experiece will be good, at the risk of repeating of the many service issues that I have seen with my Tigor EV), along with the possible niggles with the tech or actually spend the 2.5 lacs and get a more premium experience with more power which i will need to manage manually rather than relying on the car to handle it and a little bit more range on the 40KWH battery pack but at the cost of missing some features, and also I'm not sure how Mahindra service is, especially for EVs? So not sure if the additional 2.5 lacs is justified Please help!!!
Strange, 14 litres of storage space on a two wheeler and everyone goes gaga, as if it's plenty enough to store for a world tour. Extra 14 litres of storage space in a car is apparently 'not really useful', WAH!!
@@motorinc ... and the complete apathy shown towards responsible carrying of cheaper 'beverages' across state borders hurts. It's not the minorities who are unrepresented in the public psyche, it's casual fermented beverage enthusiasts, we don't have a voice, no one represents us! 🤐
I just feel EVs are like humanoids, nothing below their abdomen, I mean men and women have something below their abdomen to differentiate, but EVs like have nothing so those who buy these have same kind of mentality, characterless machines😅, speaking of characterless, I think model name making dept. of Tata are also same humanoids.
@@motorinc just one scooter from hero my cousin had, and he hated it himself, and I was like never going to buy a hero ev specially and I just have a thing for engines, diesel for torque, petrol for performance, ev is like jack of all trades and that's what I don't like. Too much simplicity is not engaging for me and I only love manual transmissions.
Test drove this a couple days ago for my sister's daily commuting vehicle. My biggest problem with the car is the lack of physical buttons. Almost everything is touch now. It's terrible. When I pointed it out, the guy said, "Sir, everything is voice controlled now, here's how." His voice command failed 4/4 times. It was embarrassing tbh. I had this weird conversation at the very beginning of the test-the guy was explaining variants and that there's a long range variant and there's a medium range. I was surprised and quickly said "wow 3 battery sizes!" It was awkward as he explained the smaller battery is called the medium. Well done TATA. The vehicle I drove was Tata Punch Empowered+ LR S.
I loved the discussion... It was fun and punchy 😂 Great to see the experts all through these years ever since the days of seeing them..or only chance was to see them through auto magazines ❤
I think there's a logical thinking behind why Tata decided not to include spare wheel as standard. Most people are going to drive an EV in cities only, where puncture is rare if you keep your tyre in good shape. And even if you got one you can repair it with puncture kit or simply use a tyre inflator and drive it to nearest shop easily. And even if you got a puncture beyond repair you can still call a mechanic in cities easily. But you have to have a spare one when going for a tour outside city.
Another great review and analysis. I am no car effition.. efficiona.. effitio ... car knowledge person and it amazes me how a person can sit in a car and notice things about brake regen and suspension and chasis. On top of that the high quality production and language is very viewer friendly and makes me want to trust your review.
Once you drive Punch petrol and ev back to back, you really admire Tata for bringing ev for the same. Bcs the name punch given to a Tata car with revotron powertrain seems a bit wierd.. er...
Punch ev base variant should be compared to punch ICE automatic transmission price . Then delta between price difference is more reasonable. Comparing price of manual transmission and ev is not correct considering overoll drive experience and hustle of using manual car inside city
Looks like TATA have developed world class ev platform... Just translate it to nexon and harrier as well. I guess then range and driving dynamics induced excitement levels will be high enough to choose them over ICE versions. And, maybe the delta between ICE and EV will be lesser in those upper segment vehicles.
I drive my Ignis daily to office and I become enthusiastic driver most of the times. I then listen to your reviews to calm me down and I reach office in a good mood. Thank you.
I'm going to make one controversial opinion: SHUMI IS NOT A GOOD REVIEWER. Reason: For him, first impressions really matters. If he likes the product he will like all the subsequent products and if he doesn't then he keeps trying to sound like a smartass for all the subsequent products. Might not go well in long run.. Kartik is way better, he's soft spoken and talks objectively.. also the amount of interruptions he ignores is god-level, any normal person will get irritated by shumi. You'll get your chance, just shut up for a minute.
The frunk could have been practical if the bonnet had 1. gas struts 2. A more solid and more spacious area than the mere 5-6kg plastic shell it comes with One thing I missed, are both versions of the punch powered by the same motor as the nexon? So in theory you should be able (hack basically) to downgrade / upgrade power from 80-140ish hp? So if you tune down the power to 80 in city mode could in theory squeeze out more range in the LR? I think Punch is a 'right size' for metros, especially it your primary usage is 2 adults /2 kids or 4 Adults. Similar features as nexon, a more mature ride and handling package, lower range of course but also lower price point. I think it can make a case for itself in the EV world. Now coming to Nexon.EV, with all the benefits that the platform brings, shouldn't Tata have moved Nexon to Acti.ev platform first instead of a mere facelift? Especially when you consider Nexon is the flag bearer, that basically made EVs mainstream in India, not just for Tata but as industry itself? Why the step motherly treatment? Are they playing safe by testing it first on the Punch instead of an established product? When buying an EV, along with the facts that you mentioned about investing the savings upfront, EV also technically have lower maintenance costs. So its savings on fuel costs and maintenance that need to be considered. But the counterpoint is, clearly just my opinion, the EV will depreciate faster in terms of value than ICE vehicles i think. Its easier to judge a used ICE vehicle in terms of condition than an EV. Also if an ICE version performance dulls down, in terms of engine, parts to improve it would be cheaper than replacing the battery pack (i assume motor performance wont go down significantly compared to battery efficiency) which could cost 40% of the value of the vehicle. I have only driven the EV Max and that too once and I loved it. But I would rather enjoy the dinosaur jiuce as long as it lasts. 😬
This studio has very cold lighting which makes it harsh to watch in low light or in night Some warm elements will make the frame eye pleasing and comfortable
Punch missed out in the major factor. Which is the rear space, rear comfort and rear specs. For a person like me who is chauffeured driven I find it unreasonable. Does Tata expect Indians to be tiny? Leave aside the gizmos, it’s a tiny car. I would rather go for a Citroen which has good drivability and ample space in cabin and rear. Tata should make cars of international standards
42:40 Even I felt it that way! Its slightly tilted. May be because that one is a moving part. What I'm actually able to observe is that may be that whole part is not alligned to the rest of the body. You can see in the left part of that logo panel. Its mis alligned. I felt similar issues even with the new Nexon ICE version as well.
Actually Battery density and power frigures have gone up significantly over the years, so much so, that we are seeing a massive shift from NMC and other Nickel based cells to LFP based cell worldwide, which are supposed to be less power/energy dense. And yet, these new breed of LFP cells and the new battery pack architecture with a combination of electricals/electronics and software is delivering similar range/performance as the nickel based battery cells. 2023 was the first year when total LFP battery cells usage crossed the 50% mark, and it's only gonna go up. The plus is, LFP cells have 2-3 times longer life, are much less fire prone, not explosive, the only downside is they lose more range in subzero/near zero climate, but are better in withstanding heated conditions, so really a plus in all front in Indian driving condition.
at 37:33 discussing about the slow response with the eco mode, it could also be a perfect use case for the bumper-to-bumper traffic situations where a super dulled throttle is convenient. I have this experience with my TVS Icube as well, while I'm in traffic, the sport mode feels very snachy and so i quickly move to the eco mode where it becomes much more manageable...
Watched the entire review thinking about just 1 thing. Who is the Nexon.EV MR for? Comparing it with the Punch.EV LR Punch seats the same number of people (albeit in less comfort for the rear passengers) Has a slightly bigger boot Has almost the same performance numbers (Power, Torque and 0-100) Has a bigger battery and hence quite a bit more range Is better in the city (smaller footprint) Is more usable on highways due to the higher range Costs about 3 lakh less while offering a lot more features starting from the base LR variant that Nexon.EV MR doesn't get. Punch.EV LR in the base Adventure persona out-equips most 11-12 lakh sub-4 meter sedans for about 2 Lakh more. 2 Lakh Rupees buy about 1900 liters of petrol and about 25-30k km of running. After you have run those 30k km, this one will run at less than the amount it costs those sedans to service. 30k km is not a big number. Does anything else even make sense anymore?
Punch doesn't take 50kw DC fast charging. It's a sleazy marketing trick tata does "10 to 80% in 56 minutes on a 50kw dc fast charger". When you do the math, it means 75% in an hour. that's as slow charging rate as gen 1 tata cars. In punch's case it's only 26.5kW. Tata tricks by saying "on a 50kw charger". It doesn't mean it takes 50kw, it means on a common 50kw charger you find, punch LR takes 26.5kW.
"MEREKO KATO PIAA" (Come bite me, love.) Thats what I heard whenever you said that track name. And yes I've never been more confused. I thought you guys gave it a nick name because it was so bad and going there is as bad as getting bit by something.
Saw the TATA TVC after watching your review. I think TATA knows its youthful audience - they travel light - just sunglasses, baseball cap, phone and a spray can - which is what the Punch Frunk was designed for. Those without an Instagram account can buy a Tata ACE. And those weaned on un-hip-hop music can buy an EV 2-wheeler.
From my experience owning 2 tata cars, the mechanical parts are good, like body/suspension. But the electronic components, especially sensors used are of low quality. My Altroz has gone into limp mode 3 times while during normal driving due to fault in Air flow sensor. I used a BLE OBD to check the error code. I went to Tata ASS and as usual they were 'not able to find any issues' and just cleared error codes whithout solving anything. The issue occurred 2 more times after that. Just imagine When you are driving 60 or 80 km/hr and car suddenly goes into limp mode without any response. It is a dangerous situation that can cause accidents. But hey..that's how one get to use those 5 stars.
I have 2018 Nexon xx+. I always had AC issues. Going to Goa or Banglore from pune the AC stops working after 5-6 hours of driving. Neither Tata nor the service centers want to acknowledge the issue. This is the only fact I am leaving Tata and m&m from choice for the next car
55:10 While sad but true.. I wanna work and be at a level where i can afford to have an ICE Car or Bike with me and fill it up with petrol for my joyrides 50 years into the future. Sure commuting will change. I mean our family is already looking at EVs as a means to travel/commute everyday. The boring stuff. But i dont wanna lose the Yamahas and the Swifts which i use for joyrides on a sunday!
Bro 55.54 video is not review it's called movie... Should not be more than 15 min... Cut unnessory conversation and discussion... Just share your view and get more views... Best of luck
We ended up buying Punch ICE in 2022 instead of Nexon because of the sloped roof at the back, my Dad felt a bit claustrophobic. He felt more roomy on the Punch because of th headroom in the back. So I will have to disagree that the Nexon is roomier. Test drive is a must.
Hello! I don’t think I imagined it - but here’s the link to the image for you to decide for yourselves. Photoshop away!
drive.google.com/file/d/1W-aYFqgMO-bvOsbgGw1hU3FApCt1ieTs
Let us know what you find!
The logo's painted or printed on a degree or so to the left, you're not imagining it.
Well you do have OCD
The angle at which the photo is taken will impact the perspective. But at face value, it does look a little tilted to the left.
Really thanks for this pinned comment, it is tilted to me as well, I too don't know is it because you said it 😅
Tata be like "Tedha hai par mera hai"
Nobody is talking about it but got to praise the editor on MotorInc. Graphics look very readable and cool. Correct highlights in the correct places. Overall a job well done.
Passing it on! Thanks a ton for that!
Same comment. Awesome idea @motorinc
I agree, the graphics throughout the experience of the video are amazing!!! Kudos to the production team!!!
Kudos to that. Such a preety and neat job
True motor journalism 👍
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The "punch frunk junk" was hilarious! 😂
If you notice how Russian names are (Rusev, Miroslav etc. etc.), Punchev does sound Russian. This explains why the logo is tilted to the "left" 😂
Hahaha! Comrade Punchevski!
Puncher not punchev
@@danka1815 ?
Its amazing how easy it is to watch 1 hour of your review and banter! Keep em coming
Glad you enjoy it!
Never thought I would get addicted to watch two professionals just speaking facts and about their real experience with cars and bike. I have been a fan of Kartikeya since the 2014 Honda City Review at Autocar India.
I would love to see both of you discuss about Motorsport especially Formula 1 as I feel there are no authentic shows and podcasts about the same in India. Hope this happens and that if it does, that it might be the start of something big!
Hey Uvan! We won't pretend to be experts on subjects we're at best amateur fans 😊
Ok
Shumi's summary 10/10. Crisp audio, great detailing with b rolls and all those overlays. I like the jumbled way of topics! kinda keeps me interested (personally).
Thanks for your feedback! Glad to know it works!
great to see tata taking feedback and making great cars...hope to see them grow
Good cars get our vote!
Chassis:
Nexon was test for EV so it carried over with existing frame.
Tiago was test for mass market.
The new platform (used in Punch) would surely be under development when Nexon EV Max came out (it takes time to build, test and get approvals).
So it is less about they fixed mistake but more like "lets first see if people are buying it".
I heard this in one of the recent interview from senior Tata person.
Battery and Range:
For range, Tiago EV in general consumes 130Wh/Km and with EV understood driving this can be 110Wh/KM. It being 24kWh battery the range would be 184KM and 218KM respectively. (In winters it can further come down to 100Wh/KM (240KM) and we have achieved 85Wh/KM (282KM as well)).
So with 35kWh battery of Punch the numbers can 150Wh/KM, 125Wh/KM and 100Wh/KM mostly translating to 233KM, 280KM and 350KM.
Build:
I have Hexa and I still see the build issue in cars of that cost 😅
Maybe a move up from Hexa to Nexa is in order?
Gohil - 100pc agree
Thanks for crunching the numbers!
@@Naps56 Bought a 5yr old used (1L KM) Hexa just a year back. Not shifting anytime soon. The confidence this car gives while driving is something I don't get in Innova as well (not sure about the Hycross though).
@@motorinc Ha ha! Reading my comment again and now I feel I wrote a lot.
May be my electronics engineer came out while typing 😬
Most satisfying. feels like sitting with them in this discussion.
Glad you could join us!
@@motorinc I have 8 lakh budget, which is best choice over time , with safety and features
@@doraemontelugu3629ev or petrol?
@@30harbakshsingh45 petrol
0:01 what's the singer saying ?
You say!
May be they perceive this as pure city car, where puncture shops are easily available. Perhaps that is why they skipped spare wheel.
In all my 13 years of car driving, I had a puncture only once, and that too when it was parked in my office parking. For an EV, I guess this should be fine.
Fair enough! And that’s quite a track record!
Another point about having the charging point where the fuel filler cap would usually go is that when parked, the car now takes up extra room on the side which is not the case when the charger is mounted up front, extra space that can be taken up by two wheelers for people with small garages.
Thanks for the perspective!
I just like the way shumi sir gives his quick reactions 🤩
Reflex!
I'm using Altroz for last 3.5 years, the service where not that great in initial 2 years. Then came Luxon Tata the new sales and service partner in Kerala, I'm honestly saying they actually stepped up the game , very professional approach .
Owner of Luxon is Nippon who was famous for Nippon Toyota as well as Incheon kia.
Thanks for letting us know @hirans2230!
My Dad is a big fan of the RE Super Meteor 650 for the way it looks, showed your ThisConnect episode to him about it. At first, he saw the length of the episode and was a little hesitant to listen to the entire thing, but once he did listen to it he loved it, the amount of detail you guys presented about the vehicle itself and its experience is just mind blowing to him.
Awesome! And hello to your Dad from MotorInc HQ!
Just in one line our beloved Bengaluru went from the *City of gardens* to the *City of PUBS!* 😶🌫
My father is really inspired by Shumi's salt & pepper look. Now he is also trying to grow beard like him .
Hello to him too from MotorInc HQ!!
U guys should start a series with guests for sat down discussion & have a free flowing conversation like u guys do normally. Guest suggestion ather ceo, ola ceo and mahindra ceo .
Thanks again Abhinav!
Actually a CEO who drives/rides what he/she sells would be better. Even if that's a (remote) possibility, the best would be a conversation with an actual buyer-cum-user - especially after the honeymoon phase of new car ownership is over.
What I feel 5 lac upfront cost is higher if we compare current battery price from china. In india this approximately 12000 per kilowatt so for 25 kw cost of battery should be approximately 3 lac. Futhermore, their is no engine and other extra assembly and the price of motor I think should be lower than a engine. So this 3 lac extra justify the real cost in India for present scenario. Correct if i am wrong
love the way technically you guys explain and have conversation in studio. i have been following you guys from the very early years.. and this MotorInc has all together a different presentation.
Kudos to you guys
Thank you for being with us Sajjad!
The video Shumi mentioned about hiding booze in the frunk, it showed up on my IG a few days ago and I was equally as taken aback, more at the fact that they made that video AT THE OFFICIAL LAUNCH EVENT! 8:28
Kartik was searching for that!
I listen to you guys when the work kinda gets mundane. And it is an absolute treat. And everytime I watch one of your videos again, I'll notice some more details about the vehicle that I missed the last time. Till now three of my friends/colleagues have bought the bikes I suggested to them, and they thank me everytime we meet. (We work remotely, so we meet like once every 2-4 months...).
Oh sweet! Thanks so much for letting us know!
I think we used to have the same conversation about whether I should pay ₹2L extra for diesel over petrol and the answer would be if your daily driving is more, you would recover the extra money paid for the diesel engine in the long run. The same applies here. If your daily driving is 50-100 km, you can recover the extra premium of an EV quickly. The only caveat is that EV has the range issue that diesel engines never had. So from an economical POV, EV is suitable if mostly you have a daily driving of 50-100km in the city and occasional road trips to nearby picnic/tourist spots. IMO, EVs make much more sense for cab drivers because they can easily do about 200 km daily in the city, charge the passengers the same amount as other ICE cabs, and recover the invested money quickly. For others, you are investing the extra money more for the experience and less for savings.
Spot on Ameya! But we think the daily use has to be closer to 100 than 50.
Agreed@@motorinc
@@motorinc
That does it, then, doesn't it? If someone drives 30,000km in two years, there is the cost recovered right there - in two years! And after that, it's a steep downward curve on every km travelled - ₹3 per km (worst case scenario, commercial charging, some states/outlets charging more for stations, best case would be ₹2/km) as compared to ₹4.66 per km (best case scenario of 25km/L and assuming oil price at ₹100/L, ₹10,000 in annual maintenance).
What's crucial is to weigh whether people are willing to take 1 hour breaks every 3 hours to charge the battery for longer trips.
My dad drives a Tata Punch AMT Creative and he gets 13km/L in city and 22-24km/L on highways. However, he drives less than 8,000km in a year now and EV isn't really a cost effective solution from there. One can make the case for added comfort in even the base Punch EV, but that base model severely limits my father's drive to the hills on weekends.
I have a Harrier, and I like the feature of drive modes changing up to the higher mode when accelerating harder. Also, in Guwahati, the Eco drive mode works good because the traffic is that slow.
Thanks for sharing! What kind of efficiency do you get?
Harrier returns superb fuel economy. I have a manual, it return 15 in city in Delhi and 20 on the highway
Are there any plans for a Harrier/Safari ev? I feel it would make a lot of sense as these cars don’t
have much competition from the segment above(Fortuner is much more expensive and Meridian is all but irrelevant) Great video btw
Yes, Tata does intend to have the Harrier EV out later this year, the Safari EV should follow next year
Very nuanced, useful conversation. I was interested in this vehicle as soon as i came to know about it. I would rate it the best in India right now for the city car role. Automatic, powerful, safe, high seating, narrow footprint, robust and absorbent suspension, the suspension is specifically made to be 'gunned' on the worst of roads. Add to that the electric vehicle benefits, instant power and torque, and the super low running cost, and you have a winner, which is unbeatable right now. It's a mini-tank, which is fast and exciting to drive too, with almost nil running cost!
Ohh !! It's raining videos on motorinc. Kudos to you folks on keeping up the high standards
Thanks a ton!
Welcome to the era, where cars need charging and software updates. I wonder am i an old man stuck in the new generation, or just too young to understand 😅
One day all of us will eventually shift to evs, but I’m happy its not today. 😊
With you!
On price, an apples to apples comparison would be on road price as for the electric versions there is lower taxation. With that considered, the gap would be much narrower.
Yes, it would. But the point still holds - the base variants don’t justify the price as well as the higher variants.
Some states no tax on ev but in some ev or ice, flat rate
Sir pls address innova hycross delivery issues... I booked innova hycross zxo model in blakish aghea glass flakes colour on 30th March 2023... no update on delivery....
In delhi ncr there are multiple agents who are associated with toyota dealers and manipulating the cars and are asking upto 4 lacks premium for zxo.... someone says 3 lacs , other says 3.50 depending on the stock and dealer... other than 1 or 2 dealers , most of them are selling cars on premium through agents cheating customers who have already booked the car .... pls address this issue 🙏🙏
Thanks again HI! We will enquire.
Doing pushups for every like this comment gets......😢
No you ain't. Stop embarrassing yourself for likes
No you won't
Saitama banoge ka? 😂
You just got some view , brother , i just viewed you channel , posting video of random girls to get views , 🤣🤣
Spammer
Car manufacturers realized that if their cars can drive through our Bengaluru 40% roads, they can go anywhere and will be able to impress content creators.
🤣
Driving for 15 +days now.. loving it no issues so far.. only first time when I recharged the vehicle, indicator sound and hazard lights sound just disappeared.. I had documents to pick at showroom just then.. the person spoke to some 'specialist' on phone and did 'force reset' not 'factory reset'.. it's all going fine since then which is about 12 days now.
I have the empowerment+ LR without sunroof (I had actually booked NR but instead took LR.. happy that I did).. without sunroof it feels and is roomy and comfortable otherwise I felt when is my head going to hit the roof when I test drove the vehicle with sunroof.. also just love the singleish peddle drive (city mode with regen level 2).. seats r comfortable but could have been better with more neck & upper back support..
Thanks for sharing you garage with us SS. Look forward to more updates.
Are you facing gear knob getting stuck issue?
@@karanjadhav4597 no.. i have not faced gear nob stuck issue.. only issue i faced twice was indicator sound disappeared twice.. one time i did force reset and the other time the system software itself restarted
@@sshhaank are those problems fixed now? Still the gear issue was a serious problem because you don't want be stuck in traffic due that. Overall how is the car for daily 120 km travel?
@@karanjadhav4597 i have car for about 1.5 months now, and no issues since 1 month.. car drives amazing.. for 120km, u will hav to keep charging daily i guess since i am getting about 270- 280 km range for full charge in city mode
Best part about you guys is that youre not biased like most of the other channels unfortunately and you actually have logical reasoning to support your statements over just simple explanation.
Would also love you guys to make another video on the ola s1 pro gen 2 as the entirely new suspension/throttle calibration are big enough changes that its worth another review, and if you could focus a bit more on the handling dept that would be great. If you are still in bangalore and would want to do a video on the s1 pro g2 let me know ill be happy to give my scooter to you guys for testing :D
Hey Agastya! We’ll take you up on that offer if needed. We are back in Mumbai now. Thanks so much! And wish you great travels!
@@motorinc Thank you! Please keep on pumping the content as 99% of the reviews are just pointing the camera and basically reading the spec sheet.
Purchased an ev already but still watch the other ev videos as the content is great
look forward for more
Thanks for letting us know! Which EV is it?
@@motorinc ola s1 pro gen 2. By ev generally people get cars in their heads as the first thought but a scooter is a vehicle nonetheless. Was talking about the bajaj chetak review you guys did a few days ago.
My father does want to go with a electric car too but given that the technology is immature and will evolve rapidly because it hasnt been researched upon kept me holding on for longer. + extra price/lack of fast chargers/charging infra in general is again is just restricting a bit more
They answered both the questions I had in the video. Thanks @motorinc
Let me give people an interesting story about this vehicle. I booked this vehicle and after booking it, i requested for a test drive in two showrooms in bangalore. I got the worst experience even Presales. They told me the car is not launched and it was just a rumor. Please note: they said this after i finished booking the EV. I had booked it in Salem. Had to cancel the booking because of the bad way tata sales people treated me.
Oh no! Would love to know what the questions were. Also - do you still have the booking?
@@motorinc Despite Cancelling the booking I still don't have a confirmation on when I would get the refund. I feel they are still trying to convince me.
The questions I had was -
1. Would be practical to have it as the first and only car?
2. How would the service be?
I'm only gonna use the car outside the city and would probably ride 50k kms in 8-10 years. Mileage is not an issue at all, But range is.
The service issue on the other hand is that, if I had a petrol car and the service centre people are irresponsible, I can go to any mechanic and get it fixed in a petrol vehicle. I can't go to anyone for an EV. I have to rely on Tata. That reliability is not something they have earned today. Also software issues scare me more. The bad service experience comes from my brother's Tigor EV. If anyone from tata reads this and thinks they can improve his experience, reach out to me and I'll connect you with him. Had charge stations brick the vehicle. Tata does send RSA? But it takes time. If this happens in any remote areas, at odd time, though the chances are very narrow, you'll feel the stress.
They really need to have better people in dealerships.
(This all night just be my pessimism for anyone reading. But if I'm spending 15 lacs on a car, I'm not supposed to in fear and anxiety. Just not my cup of tea. I put my peace of mind over anything else)
@@sriramhm1147sorry, man
The regen worked because the battery might not actually be full.
They could have limited the usable battery capacity and maintained some buffer capacity.
The buffer can also compensate for range loss over time, so that the end user doesn’t notice the range loss.
We're checking on this, IA!
5 lac more means from ICE to EV ; one has to drive 1 lac kms to even start break even(ing) the extra cost paid for the punch EV
shit doesnt make sense. you can literally buy another punch with that money 😂
@@nomanCyclewala Exactly
Check the difference between BHP.
Drivability. Better than any 15 lakh cars
Automatic? Power? None of that matters?
Are they charging 1 ₹ for spare wheel like Dodge charges 1$ for spare seat..??😅😂
That’s exactly how it should be!
I love Shumi's love for cars, even though I'm car lover more thank bikes.
He LOVES them! 😄
The city of pubs 😂
A laugh within the first 15 secs, nice 👍
Quickest one yet!
According to Gagan Chowdry and Vikas from ICN The chassis length can be increased for cars like Safari and Harrier! Please check it, so I feel next line of ev’s from Tata should have this same platform, which is a Win!
Nice! We'll ask Kartik to check it out.
I am one of those guys who listens to this podcast on Spotify while doing other stuff. Like on last Sunday, I was cleaning and polishing my motorcycle which got a bit dirty. I put on two podcasts from motorinc first back to back, and started doing my thing. By the time I was done it was already two hours up, my motorcycle was all cleaned polished and lubed and looked like this thing just rolled out of a showroom, yet during this entire process I was neither tired nor bored like everything I did was on autopilot mode. So as far as any improvements are considered, in my pov this podcasts lies strictly within "it ain't broken don't fix it region." So please keep up the good work, because looks like my vehicle's maintenance routine somewhat depends on it.😜
TVM! What a great way to have total automotive immersion! Glad we have a role in it and we plan to not interrupt your workflow!
In one of your previous videos I had mentioned how on Oct 6th 2023, I had given my Harrier XZ (the OG first gen) to the Lakshmi Tata OMR (chennai) to repair a rat bite. When you mentioned "service" I had to give you an update. Short version spoiler. I still don't have my car back. Long version, after pongal holidays they did give me the car and you know how after a heart surgery a human just looks 5 years older and other organs are affected, my car feels 10 year old even though it's 4.5 year old. They changed couple of wiring harness and airbag module and somehow managed to add these issues:
1. Steerling alignment is off by 10-15 degrees (yes they delivered it like this). I don't know how the delivery driver drove it like that to my office.
2. Battery drains overnight
3. Airbag indication still persists intermittently
4. AC works but can't change temperature and many other software errors and issues in drive mode, traction control, hill hold, etc.
On top of that, they lost my original RC which was in dashboard storage (I know, stupid of me to keep the OG RC there). Somehow they've also my battery cover but the bolts are there in the glove compartment. At this point, I guess any customer would go to consumer court but with everything going on in my life I just don't have the time and energy to go through that so I got the regional customer care head involved who put me in touch with the GM of this dealership who is supposed to solve all issues.
I know you can't do it but if you could, I would want you to ask the TATA leadership "should I buy a TATA EV?". Because their engineers aren't trained to handle the electrical components of lesser sophisticated cars that they have. I mean why spend so much on R&D to build a chasis that's comparable to RR Phantom when in one repair their service engineers can turn a fully functioning car with couple of wiring issuees into a completely non drivable car?
As I am writing this comment, I am wating for the GM who is on my case to give me an update with another excuse of why he can't deliver today because I am supposed to get it today.
Oh My God! So sorry to hear that! And thank you for keeping us posted.
Man..shumi's jokes are poor and cringey. Plus it just disrupts kartikeya's flow
They are good man
Probably not your taste
Also Kartikeya enjoys it ig
It’s a casual chat. Two guys hanging out.
@@motorinc yeah sure. But cringe is cringe infront of a camera.
Your content quality is very addictive. Kudos! I have been following and watching your reels and conv like this one. Pretty interesting way to present. Thanks for Standing out!
Hey guys you are awsome job but plz be quick in making content, you are loosing alot being late on every product.
Their quality is far superior to the competition
So it's fine if they are late
The quality makes up for it
Thanks for waiting!
40,000 kms over a period of time where petrol prices are shooting for stars. "Cost of the ICE cars doesn't matter the cost of maintaining it will be", says Elon Musk when asked about Tata Nano!!
Oh he has a take on the Nano? Didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing.
Torsional Rigidity
PunchEV 22000 N/degree
Rolls Phantom 45000 N/degree
Are these numbers verified?
Great Video. Lenthy but I watched it till the end❤. Apart from the new Chasis, is there any Volts difference between Nexon and Punch?
This is also a high voltage architecture 300+.
I dont get the logic. Price delta for ice to ev delta is 5lakh which doesn’t seem fair but 16lakh top model makes sense because it has more. But then price delta increases to 10lakh. Basically you can buy 2 ice models. And considering evs have 5% tax compared to 29% on ice the price delta increases to 6lakhs for base models.
Comparison was manual base ICE vs starting EV range. With all the bells and whistles in the EV, a delta of 2-3 lakhs makes sense.
Automatic punch ice top model is priced at ~12 lakh. Still leaves a 4lakh delta. On top of that there are govt subsidies on manufacturing and importing ev technology. Even if we consider the ev cost i.e. price before tax to have a 2lakh delta after taxes ex showroom prices should have ~1lakh or less delta
6lakh ex showroom translates to 4.65 lakh + 29% tax
So if we consider ev price to be 2lakh more i.e. 6.65 lakh its ex showroom comes to 6.65l +5% which is about 7lakh
Govt is providing subsidy to make evs more affordable so that it is more lucrative option but these companies have turned it into money grabbing game.
There is also taxes. The EVs on-road cost doesn’t increase all that much compared to ICE.
@@motorinc agreed. The registration charges are quite low compared to ice cars. But not enough to offset the huge sale price delta.
Punch ev has a registration charge of 12k compared to 50k on ice. That only shortens a 4-5lakh delta by 40k.
Ps: i got the numbers from the internet so feel free to correct me if i am wrong 😊
So they can finally ditch the Indica vista chassis I assume 😂
That’s not been used on the Punch!
Shumi has the exact charisma that I want in my old age.
Punch missed out in the major factor. Which is the rear space, rear comfort and rear specs. For a person like me who is chauffeured driven I find it unreasonable. Does Tata expect Indians to be tiny? Leave aside the gizmos, it’s a tiny car. I would rather go for a Citroen which has good drivability and ample space in cabin and rear. Tata should make cars of international standards
Thank you for yet another detailed review! I have a question: If I'm considering the top model of Punch EV, its around 16L, and yes it feels like a more well-rounded package. But then I think about the XUV 400 EL Pro which is about 2.5 lacs more and that one feels a lot more premium, more spacious, and I loved the audio on XUV a lot better than the one on Punch top (may be the unit I TD had an issue, but it felt lower quality than the one on my 2022 Tigor EV). And given the issues of not tuning the drive modes properly on XUV - I am not able to decide if it's better to save those 2.5 lacs and go with the Punch, whose driving experiece will be good, at the risk of repeating of the many service issues that I have seen with my Tigor EV), along with the possible niggles with the tech or actually spend the 2.5 lacs and get a more premium experience with more power which i will need to manage manually rather than relying on the car to handle it and a little bit more range on the 40KWH battery pack but at the cost of missing some features, and also I'm not sure how Mahindra service is, especially for EVs? So not sure if the additional 2.5 lacs is justified Please help!!!
Strange, 14 litres of storage space on a two wheeler and everyone goes gaga, as if it's plenty enough to store for a world tour. Extra 14 litres of storage space in a car is apparently 'not really useful', WAH!!
The hood isn’t quite as easy to lift as a seat. 🤷♂️
@@motorinc ... and the complete apathy shown towards responsible carrying of cheaper 'beverages' across state borders hurts. It's not the minorities who are unrepresented in the public psyche, it's casual fermented beverage enthusiasts, we don't have a voice, no one represents us! 🤐
One tiny violin playing for you 😊
Where are the mics ? the sound clearity is great but there is no visible attachment
Glad to know you can’t spot them! 😁
I just feel EVs are like humanoids, nothing below their abdomen, I mean men and women have something below their abdomen to differentiate, but EVs like have nothing so those who buy these have same kind of mentality, characterless machines😅, speaking of characterless, I think model name making dept. of Tata are also same humanoids.
That’s a bit harsh!
@@motorinc I know but it's just the way I feel about EVs, I am sorry for speaking up my mind
No no! You should share as you feel. Glad we can discuss it! Follow up. Which EV have you driven?
@@motorinc just one scooter from hero my cousin had, and he hated it himself, and I was like never going to buy a hero ev specially and I just have a thing for engines, diesel for torque, petrol for performance, ev is like jack of all trades and that's what I don't like. Too much simplicity is not engaging for me and I only love manual transmissions.
Yes, my punch ice boot logo is also tilted.
Oh! Now we’ll keep a look out for that.
police is very smart they know everything and then they ask to motorcycle riders ye modified silencer hai kya
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Test drove this a couple days ago for my sister's daily commuting vehicle.
My biggest problem with the car is the lack of physical buttons. Almost everything is touch now. It's terrible. When I pointed it out, the guy said, "Sir, everything is voice controlled now, here's how." His voice command failed 4/4 times. It was embarrassing tbh.
I had this weird conversation at the very beginning of the test-the guy was explaining variants and that there's a long range variant and there's a medium range. I was surprised and quickly said "wow 3 battery sizes!" It was awkward as he explained the smaller battery is called the medium. Well done TATA.
The vehicle I drove was Tata Punch Empowered+ LR S.
The touch controls are annoying! They aren’t responsive enough.
I loved the discussion... It was fun and punchy 😂
Great to see the experts all through these years ever since the days of seeing them..or only chance was to see them through auto magazines ❤
Glad to have you with us here too Karthik!
I think there's a logical thinking behind why Tata decided not to include spare wheel as standard.
Most people are going to drive an EV in cities only, where puncture is rare if you keep your tyre in good shape. And even if you got one you can repair it with puncture kit or simply use a tyre inflator and drive it to nearest shop easily. And even if you got a puncture beyond repair you can still call a mechanic in cities easily.
But you have to have a spare one when going for a tour outside city.
Fair enough!
Is tata aware that their reputation of HORRIBLE QC cars are greater than that of safety?
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Can you pls make a video on Eco, City & Sports Mode of Nexon Facelift? Also help with ideal modes for each dirving condition & relted rpm etc.
Another great review and analysis. I am no car effition.. efficiona.. effitio ... car knowledge person and it amazes me how a person can sit in a car and notice things about brake regen and suspension and chasis. On top of that the high quality production and language is very viewer friendly and makes me want to trust your review.
Hullo MDN! Glad to have you with us!
Once you drive Punch petrol and ev back to back, you really admire Tata for bringing ev for the same. Bcs the name punch given to a Tata car with revotron powertrain seems a bit wierd.. er...
Hi Motorinc, Loved the video.
Would not it be more apt if you compare punch ev with punch ice amt versions?
0:45 best affordable ev thats Aether...... that's right.
Ola's going the Byju's way..... slowly.
Punch ev base variant should be compared to punch ICE automatic transmission price . Then delta between price difference is more reasonable. Comparing price of manual transmission and ev is not correct considering overoll drive experience and hustle of using manual car inside city
All 125cc categories bike going to be sport aggressive bikes? Simple model gonna die soon? Lookout Extreme 125r👀
Does the eco mode feel faster than regular ICE cars accelartion ?
Looks like TATA have developed world class ev platform...
Just translate it to nexon and harrier as well. I guess then range and driving dynamics induced excitement levels will be high enough to choose them over ICE versions.
And, maybe the delta between ICE and EV will be lesser in those upper segment vehicles.
Can’t wait to experience the new platform on more cars!
I drive my Ignis daily to office and I become enthusiastic driver most of the times. I then listen to your reviews to calm me down and I reach office in a good mood. Thank you.
Yay for the Ignis and its owner!
Curvv - Tigor on Steroids
Waiting to see it in the flesh.
My only fear is what will happen to batteries in our famous water logged roads and parking. As batteries are at the lowest point on the car.
I'm going to make one controversial opinion: SHUMI IS NOT A GOOD REVIEWER.
Reason: For him, first impressions really matters. If he likes the product he will like all the subsequent products and if he doesn't then he keeps trying to sound like a smartass for all the subsequent products. Might not go well in long run..
Kartik is way better, he's soft spoken and talks objectively.. also the amount of interruptions he ignores is god-level, any normal person will get irritated by shumi. You'll get your chance, just shut up for a minute.
Thanks for the feedback @saurabhraj2690
If you miss something essential and shumi sir is going to hammer you😂 16lakhs precisely
Would have been more attractive if they had given connecting tail lights in the rear like the new nexon ev
Audio only is perfect. Infact It's so immersive I sometimes forget what what I was doing in the first place😅
The frunk could have been practical if the bonnet had
1. gas struts
2. A more solid and more spacious area than the mere 5-6kg plastic shell it comes with
One thing I missed, are both versions of the punch powered by the same motor as the nexon? So in theory you should be able (hack basically) to downgrade / upgrade power from 80-140ish hp? So if you tune down the power to 80 in city mode could in theory squeeze out more range in the LR?
I think Punch is a 'right size' for metros, especially it your primary usage is 2 adults /2 kids or 4 Adults. Similar features as nexon, a more mature ride and handling package, lower range of course but also lower price point. I think it can make a case for itself in the EV world.
Now coming to Nexon.EV, with all the benefits that the platform brings, shouldn't Tata have moved Nexon to Acti.ev platform first instead of a mere facelift? Especially when you consider Nexon is the flag bearer, that basically made EVs mainstream in India, not just for Tata but as industry itself? Why the step motherly treatment? Are they playing safe by testing it first on the Punch instead of an established product?
When buying an EV, along with the facts that you mentioned about investing the savings upfront, EV also technically have lower maintenance costs. So its savings on fuel costs and maintenance that need to be considered. But the counterpoint is, clearly just my opinion, the EV will depreciate faster in terms of value than ICE vehicles i think. Its easier to judge a used ICE vehicle in terms of condition than an EV. Also if an ICE version performance dulls down, in terms of engine, parts to improve it would be cheaper than replacing the battery pack (i assume motor performance wont go down significantly compared to battery efficiency) which could cost 40% of the value of the vehicle.
I have only driven the EV Max and that too once and I loved it. But I would rather enjoy the dinosaur jiuce as long as it lasts. 😬
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This studio has very cold lighting which makes it harsh to watch in low light or in night
Some warm elements will make the frame eye pleasing and comfortable
Thanks for the suggestion!
Shumi got 2 cm on the dot very quickly 😂
He had practise in the Sonet MF!
Punch missed out in the major factor. Which is the rear space, rear comfort and rear specs. For a person like me who is chauffeured driven I find it unreasonable. Does Tata expect Indians to be tiny? Leave aside the gizmos, it’s a tiny car. I would rather go for a Citroen which has good drivability and ample space in cabin and rear. Tata should make cars of international standards
Back seat space for its size is good. That’s not a problem.
42:40 Even I felt it that way! Its slightly tilted. May be because that one is a moving part. What I'm actually able to observe is that may be that whole part is not alligned to the rest of the body. You can see in the left part of that logo panel. Its mis alligned. I felt similar issues even with the new Nexon ICE version as well.
Oh really! We got to check the Nexon out too now!
Actually Battery density and power frigures have gone up significantly over the years, so much so, that we are seeing a massive shift from NMC and other Nickel based cells to LFP based cell worldwide, which are supposed to be less power/energy dense. And yet, these new breed of LFP cells and the new battery pack architecture with a combination of electricals/electronics and software is delivering similar range/performance as the nickel based battery cells. 2023 was the first year when total LFP battery cells usage crossed the 50% mark, and it's only gonna go up. The plus is, LFP cells have 2-3 times longer life, are much less fire prone, not explosive, the only downside is they lose more range in subzero/near zero climate, but are better in withstanding heated conditions, so really a plus in all front in Indian driving condition.
Thanks for the deep dive! Super helpful!
at 37:33 discussing about the slow response with the eco mode, it could also be a perfect use case for the bumper-to-bumper traffic situations where a super dulled throttle is convenient. I have this experience with my TVS Icube as well, while I'm in traffic, the sport mode feels very snachy and so i quickly move to the eco mode where it becomes much more manageable...
Thanks for sharing that Rahul!
Why does everyone keep saying that it has face of Nexon? This was punch's face which was introduced to nexon facelift.
Thanks for letting us know @saurabhraj2690
Should I pay 50K extra to get a AC fast charger or a normal charger would be fine with punch ev?
Better avoid Tata cars or any EV for that matter
Watched the entire review thinking about just 1 thing. Who is the Nexon.EV MR for?
Comparing it with the Punch.EV LR
Punch seats the same number of people (albeit in less comfort for the rear passengers)
Has a slightly bigger boot
Has almost the same performance numbers (Power, Torque and 0-100)
Has a bigger battery and hence quite a bit more range
Is better in the city (smaller footprint)
Is more usable on highways due to the higher range
Costs about 3 lakh less while offering a lot more features starting from the base LR variant that Nexon.EV MR doesn't get.
Punch.EV LR in the base Adventure persona out-equips most 11-12 lakh sub-4 meter sedans for about 2 Lakh more. 2 Lakh Rupees buy about 1900 liters of petrol and about 25-30k km of running. After you have run those 30k km, this one will run at less than the amount it costs those sedans to service. 30k km is not a big number. Does anything else even make sense anymore?
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Punch doesn't take 50kw DC fast charging. It's a sleazy marketing trick tata does "10 to 80% in 56 minutes on a 50kw dc fast charger".
When you do the math, it means 75% in an hour. that's as slow charging rate as gen 1 tata cars. In punch's case it's only 26.5kW.
Tata tricks by saying "on a 50kw charger". It doesn't mean it takes 50kw, it means on a common 50kw charger you find, punch LR takes 26.5kW.
Thanks GK! Will double check when we get it for a test.
"MEREKO KATO PIAA" (Come bite me, love.)
Thats what I heard whenever you said that track name. And yes I've never been more confused. I thought you guys gave it a nick name because it was so bad and going there is as bad as getting bit by something.
Here sometimes girls say "mereko" instead of "mujhe" to sound cute. That combined with pia...damn haha
Range Rover PHEVs have the Charging port in the nose👃!!!
Saw the TATA TVC after watching your review. I think TATA knows its youthful audience - they travel light - just sunglasses, baseball cap, phone and a spray can - which is what the Punch Frunk was designed for. Those without an Instagram account can buy a Tata ACE. And those weaned on un-hip-hop music can buy an EV 2-wheeler.
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From my experience owning 2 tata cars, the mechanical parts are good, like body/suspension. But the electronic components, especially sensors used are of low quality. My Altroz has gone into limp mode 3 times while during normal driving due to fault in Air flow sensor. I used a BLE OBD to check the error code. I went to Tata ASS and as usual they were 'not able to find any issues' and just cleared error codes whithout solving anything. The issue occurred 2 more times after that. Just imagine When you are driving 60 or 80 km/hr and car suddenly goes into limp mode without any response. It is a dangerous situation that can cause accidents. But hey..that's how one get to use those 5 stars.
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I have 2018 Nexon xx+. I always had AC issues. Going to Goa or Banglore from pune the AC stops working after 5-6 hours of driving. Neither Tata nor the service centers want to acknowledge the issue. This is the only fact I am leaving Tata and m&m from choice for the next car
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While sad but true.. I wanna work and be at a level where i can afford to have an ICE Car or Bike with me and fill it up with petrol for my joyrides 50 years into the future.
Sure commuting will change.
I mean our family is already looking at EVs as a means to travel/commute everyday. The boring stuff.
But i dont wanna lose the Yamahas and the Swifts which i use for joyrides on a sunday!
Great choice for joyrides!
Bro 55.54 video is not review it's called movie... Should not be more than 15 min... Cut unnessory conversation and discussion... Just share your view and get more views... Best of luck
Thanks for sharing what you think! You have plenty of those options, so we’ll stick to what we do.
We ended up buying Punch ICE in 2022 instead of Nexon because of the sloped roof at the back, my Dad felt a bit claustrophobic. He felt more roomy on the Punch because of th headroom in the back. So I will have to disagree that the Nexon is roomier. Test drive is a must.
Always! Thanks for sharing your garage with us! Wish you awesome travels!