Her WR 800m run first lap was 56.82sec. We have just seen a 17 year 1 month female run 56.56sec first lap was meant to run it in 59sec and finished in 1.57.86sec. Who knows with a slower first lap 57sec what time she could run in the future?
I am 99.99% sure the 100, 200 (both Flo-Jo,1988), the 400 (Marita Koch, 1985) and the 800 (Jarmila Kratochvílová, 1983,) were all aided by steroids. Flo-Jo's physical changes (deepened voice, facial hair, acne, muscles) and drastic drop in times make it obvious she was taking steroids. Her best time before 1988 was 10.96; an incredible .47 seconds difference between that and her World Record time of 10.49. Koch was part of a state sponsored doping system by the East Germans and there is documentation (doses only on paper so her record still stands*) that she was part of it. Kratochvílová was a mediocre runner until magically at the age of 29 she became successful and set her record at the unheard age of 32. (I'll let you decide what to think about her physical appearance, but it's not feminine.) Before Kratochvilova’s record run, the 800-metre record had fallen 23 times since World War II. It has not been broken since, and now stands as the oldest world record in track and field. (* Also, they unearthed a letter from Koch complaining that a compatriot was being given stronger doses of the steroids because her uncle was president of the pharmaceutical company that fed the East German athletics regime.)
I agree. I don't know exactly what happened to Kratochvilova's jaw, but it could be the effect of steroids. As far as her record, it has been illusive, but I believe it could be broken by Mu if she stays healthy.
A friend of mine at the 84 Olympics said that Kratochvilova came to a post competition party in a tiny pink dress and the people in the room bust into laughter, since she looked like Joe Piscopo in the beer commercial. She may have been part of the inspiration for it.
She, baby, she.Find out how she looks today, she looks 100% feminine. There are other transgender frauds here and people pretend they don't see anything.
Who’s that South African they banned from Athletics? And when you see the record holder in the same event and you wonder how they missed the irony in the whole saga.
Caster Semenya is banned from running 400-1500 because she was born with a DSD (difference is sex development) condition called 5-ARD, born with internal testes, not ovaries, she and the other two 800 meters RIO medalists all with that condition literally went through natural male puberty. this is different from women who PURPOSELY cheat with performance enhancing drugs.
@@PaulVinonaama there is a big difference in being born different than taking testosterone on purpose. Semenya comes from a very rural area where there were no medical access. She didn't realize her condition until she was an adult...
@@jacqueswieciech9829 Of course there is a big difference. No one accuses Semenya of intentional cheating, but nevertheless her participation in women's events would not be fair for normal women (women without testes).
@@cmeshootfilms you can pump yourself with whatever anabolic compounds you want, and she’d still out run you. She still had to work everyday. It’s not like you just wake up a gold medalist
@@Andrew_382 how can she be pumped with anabolic whatever and pass the drug test... Not only one drug test... But they retest this woman 10 years after she retired.. with the same original samples.. she passed all of them..
@@cmeshootfilms when you say drugs and you didn't say anything specific like oxycodone.. right there says you're ignorant.. name the drug she took.. and tell me the date it was found in her system
You're a coward non-american... They uses RUclips to say what you can't say on Facebook... Mad because India have not produced a world record in never years...lol lol lol go kick rocks... Plumber... You're a fucking zero.... Ps white people don't love you..... 7-Eleven customers don't either... Fucking cab driver..lol being disrespectful to flo Jo she not even in this video..
@@muggensan8611 I'll prove how ignorant you are... Tell me the drug by name flojo used.. Tell me the date it was found in her system nothing else no other athlete just those two questions answer it asshole...
Incredbly lucky to breakthrough at 30 years old and then defeated the East German champion who was doped up to her eyeballs - and having grown a mickey.
My question would be will it ever be possible to beat these records (Koch's and Kratochvilova's) as a clean athlete? There has got to have been many 400m and 800m athletes since the 1980's who have competed at the highest level, taken PED's, and have still not beaten these records (or come close). It is a very sad conclusion to come to that there might be suspicion surrounding those who might eventually break it.
@@dragosromanski7574 I doubt EVERYONE (at Olympic level) is taking PEDs. I presume you also mean that everyone at Olympic level has ALWAYS been taking them? Or at least since the 1980's? If so how come no one has come close to beating Koch, FJ or others? Even with today's better training, shoes and presumably more effective PEDs? Also, there been quite a few incidents where high level athletes have been visibly (and vocally) disapproving of fellow athletes they knew to be 'cheating' - this doesn't fit with a culture of everyone being on PEDs.
Just waiting for her to say the game changed when she started implementing steroids into her daily training regiment. The fact that she didn't even come close to setting records until she was past her biological prime and her muscle mass during this period was extensively higher than any other year. It's unquestionable. The main question is why does she not get an asterix next to her name in the record books but Babe Ruth does? Either way you look at it, it wasn't an even playing field.
Unlike other Eastern European athletes, she didn’t have the help of the state-run system to help her get p.e.d’s she had to find them on the black market and pay off health care providers like some athletes in the west
Everyone talk about her sex, she is a woman in fact - tested. And steroids? Every second got doping watch Untold: Hall of Fame. 😂 she was hard worker. If she would got steroids like others and more, she would be death for years. But she is still healty.
I have no doubt she trained beyond my imagination.... but she was on steroids. Its crazy anybody would ever not see that. Many drug cheats still compete and get no where near her. She's an impossible act to follow
When she ran she looked like Desperate Dan, only more manly. Look at here here and tell me she didn't use steroids. Her, Koch and Flo Jo destroyed womens athletics for decades to come.
She suffers from facial palsy, most likely caused by a stroke. Taking all those steroids back in the 80s probably caused her irreversible damage, and affected her long-term health and life quality. Trully sad.
I dated a East German Girl athlete once.! I was happy after a couple of minutes but she wanted to go all night ! I always thought she was on something 😂😂😂😂😂😂
She did sacrifice so much to make absurd records that still stand to this day. And a very good person to be involved with the physical education of the youths. If she beat the East German dopers at their own game, well done. 40 years and nothing's emerged to bring a case that she had banned PED's in her possession. But still she looked .. beyond female
@@BinuBalan don't know who was talking to you and how you got in this conversation... But expound what are you talking about right now if you have a question be direct and ask the question
Look at Flo Jo in 87. Slim, pretty, athletic - finished significantly behind an East German who was likely juiced. In 88 she looked masculine in the face, had the physique of a bodybuilder and there are plenty of photographs of her where she is bordering on sporting a moustache. You have eyes, use them.
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she trained hard for over 16 years 7 hours a day nothing is impossible for some ,amazing lady
Her WR 800m run first lap was 56.82sec. We have just seen a 17 year 1 month female run 56.56sec first lap was meant to run it in 59sec and finished in 1.57.86sec. Who knows with a slower first lap 57sec what time she could run in the future?
I am 99.99% sure the 100, 200 (both Flo-Jo,1988), the 400 (Marita Koch, 1985) and the 800 (Jarmila Kratochvílová, 1983,) were all aided by steroids. Flo-Jo's physical changes (deepened voice, facial hair, acne, muscles) and drastic drop in times make it obvious she was taking steroids. Her best time before 1988 was 10.96; an incredible .47 seconds difference between that and her World Record time of 10.49. Koch was part of a state sponsored doping system by the East Germans and there is documentation (doses only on paper so her record still stands*) that she was part of it. Kratochvílová was a mediocre runner until magically at the age of 29 she became successful and set her record at the unheard age of 32. (I'll let you decide what to think about her physical appearance, but it's not feminine.) Before Kratochvilova’s record run, the 800-metre record had fallen 23 times since World War II. It has not been broken since, and now stands as the oldest world record in track and field. (* Also, they unearthed a letter from Koch complaining that a compatriot was being given stronger doses of the steroids because her uncle was president of the pharmaceutical company that fed the East German athletics regime.)
Correct, its not even debatable. They were all on steroids. Its laughable to suggest otherwise.
I totally agree with you.
I agree. I don't know exactly what happened to Kratochvilova's jaw, but it could be the effect of steroids. As far as her record, it has been illusive, but I believe it could be broken by Mu if she stays healthy.
A friend of mine at the 84 Olympics said that Kratochvilova came to a post competition party in a tiny pink dress and the people in the room bust into laughter, since she looked like Joe Piscopo in the beer commercial. She may have been part of the inspiration for it.
Completely agree and correct
He was a beast back in the day, good luck to those junior athletes.
She, baby, she.Find out how she looks today, she looks 100% feminine. There are other transgender frauds here and people pretend they don't see anything.
She was a good runner that lad.
I can't be the only one who thought that the thumbnail was Alice from The Brady Bunch.
A amazing lady with a great story. I loved the old traditional ways of training. 🤩
I sometimes ask myself what a DSD athlete on TRT would look like and Jarmila Kratochvilova is the only human being who comes to mind.
If you just look at her face and physique you can tell she’s a DSD athlete she was just never tested for testosterone
💕💕💕
How effective would that level of extreme weight training be in modern 400/800 meter running (minus the stereroids)? Is it even possible?
No. The steroids help you recover and rebuild muscle faster. With out them, you are mere mortal and have to play the waiting game.
There’s absolutely no truth to the rumour that Jarmila and Marta first met at the local apteka....
Who’s that South African they banned from Athletics? And when you see the record holder in the same event and you wonder how they missed the irony in the whole saga.
Caster Semenya is banned from running 400-1500 because she was born with a DSD (difference is sex development) condition called 5-ARD, born with internal testes, not ovaries, she and the other two 800 meters RIO medalists all with that condition literally went through natural male puberty. this is different from women who PURPOSELY cheat with performance enhancing drugs.
@@Parker528 On the other hand, in Jarmila's days there were routine sex tests, so she is XX.
@@PaulVinonaama there is a big difference in being born different than taking testosterone on purpose. Semenya comes from a very rural area where there were no medical access. She didn't realize her condition until she was an adult...
@@jacqueswieciech9829 Of course there is a big difference. No one accuses Semenya of intentional cheating, but nevertheless her participation in women's events would not be fair for normal women (women without testes).
Semenya fathered children from their own sperm. Biologically they are a man.
Jarmila was a beast!
Fake as hell. She’d be nothing without all the drugs she took
@@cmeshootfilms you can pump yourself with whatever anabolic compounds you want, and she’d still out run you. She still had to work everyday. It’s not like you just wake up a gold medalist
@@cmeshootfilms will you please shut up ?
@@Andrew_382 how can she be pumped with anabolic whatever and pass the drug test... Not only one drug test... But they retest this woman 10 years after she retired.. with the same original samples.. she passed all of them..
@@cmeshootfilms when you say drugs and you didn't say anything specific like oxycodone.. right there says you're ignorant.. name the drug she took.. and tell me the date it was found in her system
Flo Jo of 800mtr
You're a coward non-american... They uses RUclips to say what you can't say on Facebook... Mad because India have not produced a world record in never years...lol lol lol go kick rocks... Plumber... You're a fucking zero.... Ps white people don't love you..... 7-Eleven customers don't either... Fucking cab driver..lol being disrespectful to flo Jo she not even in this video..
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@@Haraka111 lol griffith joyner was a drug cheat , just like kratoch, what's your problem? at least kratoch did not die of it
@@muggensan8611 I'll prove how ignorant you are...
Tell me the drug by name flojo used..
Tell me the date it was found in her system nothing else no other athlete just those two questions answer it asshole...
@@muggensan8611 you're a classless little puny nothing... You're a non-american dripping with cowardness and xenophobia... You're a weirdo...
Great champions of the past!
楽しみなので日本語でお願いします
Those beautiful drug days🤭💪
Jarmila Kratochvilova, aka John Kratochvilova.
Jarmil Kratochvil. Beginner's mistake.
Incredbly lucky to breakthrough at 30 years old and then defeated the East German champion who was doped up to her eyeballs - and having grown a mickey.
I remember watching him.
Grow up jealous man
@Iman Jordan how about you stfup for once.
My question would be will it ever be possible to beat these records (Koch's and Kratochvilova's) as a clean athlete? There has got to have been many 400m and 800m athletes since the 1980's who have competed at the highest level, taken PED's, and have still not beaten these records (or come close). It is a very sad conclusion to come to that there might be suspicion surrounding those who might eventually break it.
There are no clean athletes at Olympic level, wake up
@@dragosromanski7574 I doubt EVERYONE (at Olympic level) is taking PEDs. I presume you also mean that everyone at Olympic level has ALWAYS been taking them? Or at least since the 1980's? If so how come no one has come close to beating Koch, FJ or others? Even with today's better training, shoes and presumably more effective PEDs? Also, there been quite a few incidents where high level athletes have been visibly (and vocally) disapproving of fellow athletes they knew to be 'cheating' - this doesn't fit with a culture of everyone being on PEDs.
I must break you!
Just waiting for her to say the game changed when she started implementing steroids into her daily training regiment. The fact that she didn't even come close to setting records until she was past her biological prime and her muscle mass during this period was extensively higher than any other year. It's unquestionable.
The main question is why does she not get an asterix next to her name in the record books but Babe Ruth does? Either way you look at it, it wasn't an even playing field.
Babe Ruth records don't have an asterisk.
Unlike other Eastern European athletes, she didn’t have the help of the state-run system to help her get p.e.d’s she had to find them on the black market and pay off health care providers like some athletes in the west
Everyone talk about her sex, she is a woman in fact - tested. And steroids? Every second got doping watch Untold: Hall of Fame. 😂 she was hard worker. If she would got steroids like others and more, she would be death for years. But she is still healty.
I have no doubt she trained beyond my imagination.... but she was on steroids. Its crazy anybody would ever not see that. Many drug cheats still compete and get no where near her. She's an impossible act to follow
We should have world records for pre and post random drug testing
Jarmila forever!!!
Cheating is forever.
@UCRW2zmrdn2NfbhWmo13Ms4A everyone was on přidá back then f**khead
When she ran she looked like Desperate Dan, only more manly. Look at here here and tell me she didn't use steroids. Her, Koch and Flo Jo destroyed womens athletics for decades to come.
She suffers from facial palsy, most likely caused by a stroke. Taking all those steroids back in the 80s probably caused her irreversible damage, and affected her long-term health and life quality. Trully sad.
Eres,un hombre
Who the f*** puts their name on the side of their car? Does she sell real estate on the side?
'park wherever you want Jarmila!' 😅
Jarmila = Legend✅👍
So much slimmer of the roids
Drugs or no drugs??
At a glance of the thumbnail I thought it was Alice from the Brady Bunch.
Jarmila hipermegasuperdopada
Does he admit to cheating
Roger Daltrey hasn't aged well.
I dated a East German Girl athlete once.! I was happy after a couple of minutes but she wanted to go all night ! I always thought she was on something 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Most women want more than a couple of minutes.
Hombre o mujer?
Hombre 100%
like the Mexican lifter who won in 2000 then died at age 35
“Its a man baby”
Hopefully World Athletics' recent decision re elgibility for female competition will ensure nothing like this travesty will ever happen again.
She did sacrifice so much to make absurd records that still stand to this day. And a very good person to be involved with the physical education of the youths.
If she beat the East German dopers at their own game, well done. 40 years and nothing's emerged to bring a case that she had banned PED's in her possession. But still she looked .. beyond female
Drug cheat
Really when did you inject her... And what did you inject her with... How the hell did you get it...
@@sinsin1697 when did you not inject her and how do you know she didn’t dope?
@@sinsin1697 well the question was for Jermila and u took whole life to explain about Flojo.. Is that an escape from the question???
@@BinuBalan don't know who was talking to you and how you got in this conversation... But expound what are you talking about right now if you have a question be direct and ask the question
Stop being jealous boy ...
Obvious drug cheat. She barely looked like a woman when she was competing.
Shut up.
Is that why you looked her up.. watch this video twice...
Everybody was on drugs man.
@@stsk1061 I agree, many more who never got caught.
It could be just genetics
He has no shame, running as a female. Look at all those muscle and dude has a serious package.
Just steroids, no gender change
Man.
A cheater first. And a liar ever since. 🙄
Bet she has hair on her bag....
Flo Jo was too feminine and sexy to be on roids. Feminine is altered by roids
Look at Flo Jo in 87. Slim, pretty, athletic - finished significantly behind an East German who was likely juiced. In 88 she looked masculine in the face, had the physique of a bodybuilder and there are plenty of photographs of her where she is bordering on sporting a moustache. You have eyes, use them.
Intersex, sorry can't fool ME!!!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
Roids are a bad thing
Steroids queen 🫠hopefully she will admit it before she dies, because let’s be honest, nobody really believes her records are honest records 😂