The americans can't really talk though since they have some of the worst doping history. The difference is instead of it being government funded, its funded by corporations
@@uguryilmaz1174 What about her? She didn't have failed tests or documents with scheduled doses of illegal drugs like Gohr, Koch and the rest of those "women". She was a consistent competitor who looked the same year in & out. Not like a Greek Wrestler.
I m the one behind block 3 at 5:30 in the white clothes. We were in Rostock member of the sporting schools, namend "KJS". Here you see the final of the womans 100m championships of the GDR - 1. 11,07 Göhr, 2. 11,07 Möller 3. 11,39 Lange. Möller was from rostock.
no American woman ever ran a 47.60 and great olympic runners haven't been able to come within a full second of her time. if you're German, no one is trying to disrespect your country. American has well known cheaters. mostly men but whatever
One of the biggest tragedies in sports. I noticed there are a lot of videos that dont even mention they were doping, it took 25 years to admit the truth. Its still secretive till this day. Whats so special about them that the Olympic committee didnt strip their medals or anything, even though they had stripped medals from other athletes. So many tragedies happened and still ongoing, i lost all respect for Olympic committees.
wow,so i understand and am on your side.however, pre out of competition testing beginning in jan '89, no athlete was allowed to be tested out of competition while training. so even though we KNOW now looking back about the East German sponsored doping program, we can't retroactively remove medals when legally the problem with many of the girls is they weren't aware they were being doped.
@@Parker528 "many of the girls is they weren't aware they were being doped.", too funny. They looked and sound like men. They were running times, wayyyy beyond anything they had done before. Many of them had genitals that became ambitious; to the point where they changed their sex. Not to mention, that some refused, and was kicked out of the program. "we can't retroactively remove medals". So why are we retroactively inducting them into T&F HOF. Maria Koch, is an example. Hundreds of records showing all the steroids she was pumped with; yet she continues to lie about taking drugs. They ban Russia, from the last Olympics, yet allow the athletes to compete. Now, we're again seeing some Europeans running fast times; and we all know what going on.
I can't believe the athletes denied the doping. The investigations post-reunification made it pretty clear that state sponsored doping was the norm. That said, all of the women's WR's from 100 to 800 have massive asterisks next to them.
Hi Adam, they went into complete denial mode and convinced themselves, to believe all the systematic BS and lies, that had occured then and years before. It was beyond a joke...
Ab 0:38 ist für einige Sekunden der Zieleinlauf über 100 m am 09.09.1988 in Potsdam zu sehen - Marlies Göhr gewann in 10.94 s vor Heike Drechsler. Und bei 5:25 ist der knappe Sieg von Marlies gegen Silke Gladisch bei den DDR-Meisterschaften in Rostock am 25.06.1988 zu sehen - plus Zusammenstoß mit einem Kamera-Menschen. Für das 100-Meter-Finale und den Staffel-Sieg reichte es bei Olympia in Seoul nicht ganz. Dennoch bin ich als großer Fan sehr dankbar, dass Marlies Göhr bis Oktober 1988 aktiv war.
Tyson Gay, Yohan Blake, Asafa Powell , Tim Montgomery, Maurice Greene, Ben Johnson , Justin Gatlin, Steve Mullings, Flo Griffith-Joyner (RIP), Kelli White and Marion Jones are also from Eastern Germany? Ask for a friend
For a government to systematically administer ph drugs to their athletesis without their knowledge is extremely reprehensible and therefore much worse@@MrNewtonian
It's sad about Stecher as the government wouldn't let her quit running to have a family while she was still safe, which eventually her doping ment she couldn't as it wasn't safe like most of these athletes forced to compete
Wrong. Random drug testing was introduced in 1989. Stop being so simplistic. Many factors contributed to the decline of Eastern European Sprinters. 1989 was the same year that the Berlin Wall fell. In 1990 Germany was reunified. And in 1991 the Soviet Union collapsed. These factors all fundamentally uprooted the athletic infrastructure of Eastern Europe. A cohesive Eastern Block would have likely found all sorts of methods of overcoming random drug testing, in a similar fashion to how many American athletes did.
@@davidvelohue9258 in case you haven't noticed the fast track athletes are almost exclusively black. It's called biology. You can train until your legs fall off you're not beating God given attributes.
State sponsored doping. And the athletes, Koch, Bruer, Gohr, krabbe et all all knew what They were doing. The letter from.koch to the pharmaceutical company moaning she hadn't had enough steroids proved that
I knew some confessed that they were doping, but I didn’t know the athletes knew they were being doped at the time. I need to do my research. I saw a 60 minutes special about them saying how their bodies are ruined now, but I need to read about that letter from Koch you mentioned. Because they were looking like men in the 80s.
I have a good friend who swam and won a Gold medal as part of the US Olympic team. She said the East German swimmer were monsters. Their voices were very masculine and they had hair growing on their backs and faces. Sound like a red flag.
China is doing the same. Ideology pushes sports. Abusing athletes by pushing them to the limits every day. Boarding schools that select from a young age the best talents of the country. That's why Germany and Eastern Europe isn't good anymore. This all disappeared. China meanwhile, with the same tactic, is doing wonders.
The one thing about East German athletes is that ..everybody else was at the same thing ....just look at the history of athletics in the last 40 yrs and how many athletes from all countries and backgrounds ......and to think the iaaf still ban the Russians ...while so many athletes from around the world are doing exactly the same thing ....,double triple quadruple standards ......
Hardly different unlike most countries Russia athletes were all coached together and doped together, and it was there own athletes speaking out as they were forced to dope against there own will. And pretty much after that so much evidence of doping was found. The only countrys who have been closed to being banned are Kenya and Ethiopia who have had around 100 athletes banned for doping, who had to change to fit doping laws unlike the russians who refused
Everything has changed! The "infrastructure", selection, motives, scientific methods (and the "advancements" thereof) and the "degree" of drug use NOT the fact of drug use which is still "worldwide".
"The US produced a variety of athletes in various sports, nobody ever questioned their success". Let's leave aside for a moment that some of them were caught cheating too, but there are 300 something million Americans and the population of East Germany was what, 17 million? All natural-born athletes, just the result of hard work? Thinking that was much more absurd than alleging that there was something fishy there.
@Matt EP Jamaica, has never had a STATE SPONSORED DOPING system like Europe and Russia. Can individuals cheat, sure. That's why the country of Russia was banned from Tokyo. They still find a way to send the same cheating athletes anyway. That's the problem with you sensitive Europeans; always trying to deflect.
Actually many American athletes are suspected of doping. Maurice Greene was suspected of doping when his name was brought up in the BALCO scandal, Carl Lewis failed three drug tests and is now virtually irrelevant when coming to matters of that nature. Every athlete that one of the big sports conglomerates sends to coaches convicted of doping like Sha’Cari’s, Bednarek’s and Gatlin’s coach immediately becomes suspected of doping whether that is fair or unfair. It’s just how it is. Koch should be happy the IAAF can’t find a way to erase her absurd times without legal ramifications
@Matt EP you are making claims but have no evidence to back it ,we know that over 100 positive drug test between 1988 and 2000 where covered up the United States authority ,and there were testimony before congress that probaly 25 female atheletes were on ped .So we have evidence that americans and european were cheating
@@neilnelmar8007 He just hate the fact that small nations like Jamaica are dominating these Western nations. I'm American, and have to admit that our financial advantage can only carry us so far. the Caribbean and Africa are dominating, and it will only get worst. Thank goodness for our Black population here in the US, otherwise, we would be like many of these European nations; headed for the special Olympics.
@@whanuipuru4446 yes, that was the sarcasm in my comment lol if it were revolutionary training methods then you’d expect to see improvements in the men too, but we didn’t 😳😂
Yet, hardly anyone knows they were cheating for 25 years. They got what they deserved, except for the medals. No punishment at all. No asterisks in the record books. Anyone with 1 eye could figure out they were doping. To this day, i dont know why its still secretive.
not true about "no punishment", if you count in or factor that those pubescent girls being given oral turinabol during training but being told they were recovery vitamins, and then also those pre race injections of testosterone ester given to the girls in their back muscles just 2 or 3 hours before their races- Rica Reinisch reported recalling feeling "this warm, intense rush running through my body" after having to first ever be forced to receive these injections at the Moscow Olympics; she was young, the older more experienced swimmers acted as if it was just routine and no big deal- (very similar to a synthetic form of either stanozolol or nandrolone) that around 78, when the chief medical doctor for sports figured out thru his position on an anti doping panel that by knowing what was and was capable of being detected on day of competition back then with the best in medical testing equipment, and until the UCLA lab sometime between late 84 but before 87, the girls literally received injections of non detectable synthetic testosterone. No punishment? tell that to those women now, who back then, completely isolated from the rest of the world, forced to sign papers swearing to never speak of what goes on during their training, etc. and those women- who because of having no choice if they wanted a life but to obey, later on developed tumors, cancers, gave birth to children with horrendous birth defects, one woman - Heidi Krieger, a shot putter who was found through documents to have been given in the summer of 86 MORE stanozolol in that one summer than Ben Johnson had in 4 years; those meds so powerfully damaging, she is now known as Andreas Kreiger after a sex xhange. Even the American swimmers who were GREATLY affected by the GDR girls who lived in a country that forced them to either take the drugs or risk never having what was considered a "regular" life, let alone one given to the most successful athletes in a country where it took up to 10 yrs for a family to secure a 3 room apartment, let alone a car. the american women aren't asking for those GDR girls to be forced to return their medals or go thru any more trauma than they have already been through. the american swimmers, as you can learn if you watch here called "the last gold", just want either replacement medals they would have won if you take away the GDR results or- that the IOC officially acknowledge in their record books that it was later discovered the gdr girls had been cheating during training.
@@Parker528 I met the American swimmer Shirley Babashoff 1972, and 1976 Olympian at a showing of the documentary "The Last Gold". She also co-wrote a book called "Making Waves" which I bought and she signed. Drugs aren't worth fame and glory.
The best systematic training of athletes ever devised. Unfortunately, it also had some very negative consequences for some athletes long term. Still, the best training regime ever.
All these super athletes from Russia and Europe, all forgot how to run, jump, and throw; when the State sponsored doping stopped; all Europeans experience amnesia, when it comes to competing in T&F. Like Skippers , who is suffering the same kind of amnesia.
There were German women suing, because they couldn’t have children, because they were given drugs for years. I know American athletes that have gotten caught and paid a hefty cost, just ask Marion Jones and her husband. But I understand why they have to blame America, because they can’t face the fact that they’re the blame, and no one else. And we know they can’t blame themselves! Hitler couldn’t face that fact either!😂
Marita Koch and many other Eastern athletes still won everything after the change. Sport has quite literally disappeared in Germany and Eastern Europe. Too many social problems to do that and no propaganda to further the regime authority. Look at the USSR, US and China... how strong they were and are... Ideology pushes results.
@@jjgreen5206 Allegations without any evidence! You sound like Hitler, because he thought y’all were superior also. Black athletes weren’t able to attend many colleges when y’all were winning. However, in the 60s those doors start opening little by little. Any American that uses anything gets caught, just like Sha’Carri Richardson! Marion went to jail and banned for life! Shut up until you can back up your LIES!! There were Germans females crying on TV, because their bodies were ruined. They’ll give you evidence!😅 I guess he scrammed because he had no evidence!!
The same way Flo Jo’s widely contested WRs are still on the books. Legally it’s difficult because the star East German athletes were not mentioned specifically with doping in the Statsi files. And like Jones and Armstrong, they have never failed doping tests. Unlike Jones and Armstrong, they have never been forced to admit to doping. Cow wanted to scrap the records about 3 years ago but faced a real fight in the courts
So why Russia and Germany can even make the cut in women's track now. They are too dam slow. They are not making them in the lab, like Ivan Drako in Rocky.
If the Soviets and Warsaw Pact nation were systematically doping their athletes, how come they never made much progress in the Women's 100 and 200? I really think the Big Red Machine spent a lot of state-sanctioned resources in developing these athletes from such a tender age!
I dont know what kind a stuff they were given but I wouldnt say these women had tons of steroids they didnt looked manly and look at Grit or Katrin they arent even muscular Katrin was really thin compared with flojo obviously her times werent as good
You're the typical imbecile who wants to dumb down everything with one word, not seeking to articulate your views. Life is complex and not reduced to one word. For the sake of argument, let's engage in this debate. Yes, they used performance enhancement substances. However, what about the training, diets, perseverance, nerves of steel, technique, etc? That would require thinking! Too much for you to handle!
@General Bradley definitely not out of jealousy. Who the hell wants to be american? Im spreading what I observed. US is the biggest crime pusher the most racist country and they use their media so well. It was always someone else' fault...
I once dated a East German Girl athlete and I was happy after a couple of minutes! She wanted to keep going all night ! I always thought she was on something 😂😂😂😂🤣
Steroids are well-known to greatly increase libido, particularly among female athletes. Tales are legendary of female athletes "needing it" and hooking up with fellow athletes and coaches.
@@MirjanaLfan Book: Doping Dokumente: Von der Forschung zum Betrug, 1991 - Marita Koch war voll bis zur Halskrause, das belegen die gefundenen Dokumente nach der Wende
We are sure. Their doctors can attest (Unless you're a conspiratorial personality and fail to understand that simple trust is very reasonable at times) It's testament to the power of these drugs to affect gender characteristics.
@@0077725 @Rand Al’Thor, Koch never tested positive but there is documented evidence to prove that most East German athletes received state sanctioned performance enchanting drugs.
I find it hilarious that an in any Olympic event an athlete can test positive for PEDs while his or her competitors all test clean, yet their performance is near identical. Either PEDs make little to no difference (which is complete nonsense, they wouldn’t be used otherwise) or it’s simply the case that they were unlucky getting caught while the others weren’t. The answer is obvious.
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Thanks for the upload!!! Highly appreciated!!!
Thank you for this documentary
I feel horrible for Krabbe! She was such a beautiful creature, and a phenomenal talent! Could have been the best of the best
She was drug cheat
@@neilnelmar8007 Most top track athletes are….even today
@@ohhiitsjustme3445 east germans took it to another level....cheats the lot of them.
@@patrickharrison871 The USA covered for their cheats. They were just as guilty.
@@ohhiitsjustme3445 and you know this how?
the dirtiest sports program in olympic history
Evelyn Ashford knew. In 1984 she called them ROBOTS. She proved to be right.
The americans can't really talk though since they have some of the worst doping history. The difference is instead of it being government funded, its funded by corporations
@@rislingpodiumperformanceProve it!
@@MikhailSharma08 I think the protruding chins, stubble and under arm hair are proof enough lol
What about Ashford herself then?!
@@uguryilmaz1174 What about her? She didn't have failed tests or documents with scheduled doses of illegal drugs like Gohr, Koch and the rest of those "women". She was a consistent competitor who looked the same year in & out. Not like a Greek Wrestler.
I m the one behind block 3 at 5:30 in the white clothes. We were in Rostock member of the sporting schools, namend "KJS". Here you see the final of the womans 100m championships of the GDR - 1. 11,07 Göhr, 2. 11,07 Möller 3. 11,39 Lange. Möller was from rostock.
Didn't you come in second?
At Joe Martines: wasn't in the race, was stood behind the starting line, observing.
@@ChristovMr Yes, thank you. I was was stood behind the starting line, after the race we tranported the clothes of the starters to the goal line.
Good unbiased document.. well done . Every body want to blame DDR . Here we can understand their hardwork.
no American woman ever ran a 47.60 and great olympic runners haven't been able to come within a full second of her time. if you're German, no one is trying to disrespect your country. American has well known cheaters. mostly men but whatever
Thing is these women were forced to dope, every athletes works hard
The East German doping system no loner exists. That's the reason for declinging times.
Spell check
Simple - systemized doping combined with ruthless harvesting of talent.
Katrin Krabbe was the Grace Kelly of Sprint 😍
Doping sucks 😭
One of the biggest tragedies in sports. I noticed there are a lot of videos that dont even mention they were doping, it took 25 years to admit the truth. Its still secretive till this day. Whats so special about them that the Olympic committee didnt strip their medals or anything, even though they had stripped medals from other athletes.
So many tragedies happened and still ongoing, i lost all respect for Olympic committees.
they are white
wow,so i understand and am on your side.however, pre out of competition testing beginning in jan '89, no athlete was allowed to be tested out of competition while training. so even though we KNOW now looking back about the East German sponsored doping program, we can't retroactively remove medals when legally the problem with many of the girls is they weren't aware they were being doped.
@@Parker528 "many of the girls is they weren't aware they were being doped.", too funny. They looked and sound like men. They were running times, wayyyy beyond anything they had done before. Many of them had genitals that became ambitious; to the point where they changed their sex. Not to mention, that some refused, and was kicked out of the program.
"we can't retroactively remove medals". So why are we retroactively inducting them into T&F HOF. Maria Koch, is an example. Hundreds of records showing all the steroids she was pumped with; yet she continues to lie about taking drugs.
They ban Russia, from the last Olympics, yet allow the athletes to compete. Now, we're again seeing some Europeans running fast times; and we all know what going on.
Lovely voice for the narration.
State sponsored doping.
I can't believe the athletes denied the doping. The investigations post-reunification made it pretty clear that state sponsored doping was the norm. That said, all of the women's WR's from 100 to 800 have massive asterisks next to them.
Hi Adam, they went into complete denial mode and convinced themselves, to believe all the systematic BS and lies, that had occured then and years before.
It was beyond a joke...
Ab 0:38 ist für einige Sekunden der Zieleinlauf über 100 m am 09.09.1988 in Potsdam zu sehen - Marlies Göhr gewann in 10.94 s vor Heike Drechsler. Und bei 5:25 ist der knappe Sieg von Marlies gegen Silke Gladisch bei den DDR-Meisterschaften in Rostock am 25.06.1988 zu sehen - plus Zusammenstoß mit einem Kamera-Menschen. Für das 100-Meter-Finale und den Staffel-Sieg reichte es bei Olympia in Seoul nicht ganz. Dennoch bin ich als großer Fan sehr dankbar, dass Marlies Göhr bis Oktober 1988 aktiv war.
Dankbar für das Doping? Bitte erklären Sie sich.
Tyson Gay, Yohan Blake, Asafa Powell , Tim Montgomery, Maurice Greene, Ben Johnson , Justin Gatlin, Steve Mullings, Flo Griffith-Joyner (RIP), Kelli White and Marion Jones are also from Eastern Germany? Ask for a friend
And Linford Christie.
big difference between a state sponsored and rigged national program vs. individual conspiracies of athletes and coaches.
@@petenrita which is the biggest sin? I personally think the latter. at least the Germans weren't hypocrites.
For a government to systematically administer ph drugs to their athletesis without their knowledge is extremely reprehensible and therefore much worse@@MrNewtonian
@@brianhenry9799 same deal, it boils down to cheating! No excuse whatsoever.
I hope Renata Stecher comes clean and Raylene Boyle ( Australia) gets a Gold Medal before she dies.
It's sad about Stecher as the government wouldn't let her quit running to have a family while she was still safe, which eventually her doping ment she couldn't as it wasn't safe like most of these athletes forced to compete
The East Germans never quite dominated in the pole vault.
pathetic that the IOC and IAAF have not stripped them of their medals
Right. They had magic shoes - that must be it!
Where can you buy these magic shoes?
Just a coincidence that random drug testing started in 1988 and all the Eastern European sprint queens disappeared over night.
Really testing wasn't really pushed into Atlanta Olympics, but even today testing is still 5 or 6 years behind the dopers
Yes, and also like your flo-jo, who just retired
@@rohonchowdhury8480Flo-jo was definitely enhanced by performance enhancing drugs. Sadly she paid for that with her life.
Wrong. Random drug testing was introduced in 1989.
Stop being so simplistic. Many factors contributed to the decline of Eastern European Sprinters.
1989 was the same year that the Berlin Wall fell. In 1990 Germany was reunified. And in 1991 the Soviet Union collapsed. These factors all fundamentally uprooted the athletic infrastructure of Eastern Europe.
A cohesive Eastern Block would have likely found all sorts of methods of overcoming random drug testing, in a similar fashion to how many American athletes did.
@@davidvelohue9258 in case you haven't noticed the fast track athletes are almost exclusively black. It's called biology. You can train until your legs fall off you're not beating God given attributes.
State sponsored doping. And the athletes, Koch, Bruer, Gohr, krabbe et all all knew what They were doing. The letter from.koch to the pharmaceutical company moaning she hadn't had enough steroids proved that
I knew some confessed that they were doping, but I didn’t know the athletes knew they were being doped at the time. I need to do my research. I saw a 60 minutes special about them saying how their bodies are ruined now, but I need to read about that letter from Koch you mentioned. Because they were looking like men in the 80s.
I have a good friend who swam and won a Gold medal as part of the US Olympic team. She said the East German swimmer were monsters. Their voices were very masculine and they had hair growing on their backs and faces. Sound like a red flag.
Nein.Das waren die Chinesinnen.
@@Kufencrack Nein, das waren die Ostdeutschen. Gibt sogar einen Spielfilm darüber, wo das nacherzählt wird.
Shirley Babashoff I suppose.
I knew east Germany was shooting up setting all those wr
USA did the same East Germany just bettered them at it.
@@bbbccc9813 as well as Jamaica ... I’m talking about the records before the random test ... 80s
In westlichen Staaten wurde wohl nicht gedopt?
@@antoniomanson165 Jamaica and the US were and are the heaviest dopers in the world. Maybe nowadays Kenya and Ethiopia come close to them.
China is doing the same. Ideology pushes sports. Abusing athletes by pushing them to the limits every day. Boarding schools that select from a young age the best talents of the country.
That's why Germany and Eastern Europe isn't good anymore. This all disappeared.
China meanwhile, with the same tactic, is doing wonders.
These records need to be wiped from the books.
FloJo and Husband slyly smiling from distance
Absolutely
I used to fancy the German lasses.
The one thing about East German athletes is that ..everybody else was at the same thing ....just look at the history of athletics in the last 40 yrs and how many athletes from all countries and backgrounds ......and to think the iaaf still ban the Russians ...while so many athletes from around the world are doing exactly the same thing ....,double triple quadruple standards ......
Hardly different unlike most countries Russia athletes were all coached together and doped together, and it was there own athletes speaking out as they were forced to dope against there own will. And pretty much after that so much evidence of doping was found. The only countrys who have been closed to being banned are Kenya and Ethiopia who have had around 100 athletes banned for doping, who had to change to fit doping laws unlike the russians who refused
There is no denying that Heike Drechsler was one of the greatest female athletes of the 20th Century and one heck of a good looking lady!
And doped
Total cheat and liar. Zero respect for her and her fellow country men.
I think that many of the athletes didn't know they were being doped-"just a vitamin....."
Before the Jamaicans hit the scene. Lol
Everything has changed! The "infrastructure", selection, motives, scientific methods (and the "advancements" thereof) and the "degree" of drug use NOT the fact of drug use which is still "worldwide".
Sprinting and pro cycling have always been have been dirty for many decades, when I watch female sprinters they tend to look like small bodybuilders
"The US produced a variety of athletes in various sports, nobody ever questioned their success". Let's leave aside for a moment that some of them were caught cheating too, but there are 300 something million Americans and the population of East Germany was what, 17 million? All natural-born athletes, just the result of hard work? Thinking that was much more absurd than alleging that there was something fishy there.
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@Matt EP Jamaica, has never had a STATE SPONSORED DOPING system like Europe and Russia. Can individuals cheat, sure. That's why the country of Russia was banned from Tokyo. They still find a way to send the same cheating athletes anyway. That's the problem with you sensitive Europeans; always trying to deflect.
Actually many American athletes are suspected of doping. Maurice Greene was suspected of doping when his name was brought up in the BALCO scandal, Carl Lewis failed three drug tests and is now virtually irrelevant when coming to matters of that nature. Every athlete that one of the big sports conglomerates sends to coaches convicted of doping like Sha’Cari’s, Bednarek’s and Gatlin’s coach immediately becomes suspected of doping whether that is fair or unfair. It’s just how it is. Koch should be happy the IAAF can’t find a way to erase her absurd times without legal ramifications
@Matt EP you are making claims but have no evidence to back it ,we know that over 100 positive drug test between 1988 and 2000 where covered up the United States authority ,and there were testimony before congress that probaly 25 female atheletes were on ped .So we have evidence that americans and european were cheating
@@neilnelmar8007 He just hate the fact that small nations like Jamaica are dominating these Western nations. I'm American, and have to admit that our financial advantage can only carry us so far. the Caribbean and Africa are dominating, and it will only get worst. Thank goodness for our Black population here in the US, otherwise, we would be like many of these European nations; headed for the special Olympics.
DRUGS, PURE DRUGS!!!😂😂😂🎉
Oral Turnabol worked
Fascinating and rare to see these great athletes
This makes me extremely inspired to get on PEDs
ıt's all about quality for Germans...
Now that there is drug testing all these fast female sprint times from Germany and eastern bloc countries have vanished into thin air.
not true the 400m & 800m world records are still records
And now the ladies from Jamaica are all juiced up
So did they get compensated? I seem to remember that Krabbe did have a false urine sample...was that fiction, or a false memory?
I don’t remember the men being quite so successful.... strange? 😂
Valid point.
Reason: Oral Turinabol didn't do much for males as their bodies are made up of mainly testosterone.
@@whanuipuru4446 yes, that was the sarcasm in my comment lol if it were revolutionary training methods then you’d expect to see improvements in the men too, but we didn’t 😳😂
State-sponsored doping in East Germany was beyond belief. Many coaches were convicted.
Clenbuterol?
The clear
Some not realising , thinking it was just vitamins boosters..
Drug runners were undefeated in those days.
Still are!
So wait…she was actually upset that she was banned for taking a drug because it was not
“Yet” on the banned drug list…… lol oooookay
and they want compensation
The substance wasn't on the ban list
She took a leaf out of the pro cyclist cheat handbook!
@@neilnelmar8007 lol “yet”…. She knew it was no regular vitamin 😂🤣
@@cochise2552 that is true but i am bias towards her as she had such impressive packages .back and front .🤣🤣That girl had an ass .
Krubber and the other girl had an impressive packages :back and front
Yet, hardly anyone knows they were cheating for 25 years. They got what they deserved, except for the medals. No punishment at all. No asterisks in the record books. Anyone with 1 eye could figure out they were doping. To this day, i dont know why its still secretive.
not true about "no punishment", if you count in or factor that those pubescent girls being given oral turinabol during training but being told they were recovery vitamins, and then also those pre race injections of testosterone ester given to the girls in their back muscles just 2 or 3 hours before their races- Rica Reinisch reported recalling feeling "this warm, intense rush running through my body" after having to first ever be forced to receive these injections at the Moscow Olympics; she was young, the older more experienced swimmers acted as if it was just routine and no big deal- (very similar to a synthetic form of either stanozolol or nandrolone) that around 78, when the chief medical doctor for sports figured out thru his position on an anti doping panel that by knowing what was and was capable of being detected on day of competition back then with the best in medical testing equipment, and until the UCLA lab sometime between late 84 but before 87, the girls literally received injections of non detectable synthetic testosterone. No punishment? tell that to those women now, who back then, completely isolated from the rest of the world, forced to sign papers swearing to never speak of what goes on during their training, etc. and those women- who because of having no choice if they wanted a life but to obey, later on developed tumors, cancers, gave birth to children with horrendous birth defects, one woman - Heidi Krieger, a shot putter who was found through documents to have been given in the summer of 86 MORE stanozolol in that one summer than Ben Johnson had in 4 years; those meds so powerfully damaging, she is now known as Andreas Kreiger after a sex xhange. Even the American swimmers who were GREATLY affected by the GDR girls who lived in a country that forced them to either take the drugs or risk never having what was considered a "regular" life, let alone one given to the most successful athletes in a country where it took up to 10 yrs for a family to secure a 3 room apartment, let alone a car. the american women aren't asking for those GDR girls to be forced to return their medals or go thru any more trauma than they have already been through. the american swimmers, as you can learn if you watch here called "the last gold", just want either replacement medals they would have won if you take away the GDR results or- that the IOC officially acknowledge in their record books that it was later discovered the gdr girls had been cheating during training.
@@Parker528 I met the American swimmer Shirley Babashoff 1972, and 1976 Olympian at a showing of the documentary "The Last Gold". She also co-wrote a book called "Making Waves" which I bought and she signed. Drugs aren't worth fame and glory.
and the tv pundits still quote the records as if they are official and all okay
They are the Houston Astros of track
Now we have the billion dollar financing of Nike, Gatorade, etc to help get their sponsored athletes from getting caught.
Except for Justin Gatlin. And Shelby Houlihan.
The legacy of the East German women athletics will always be fondly remembered. They were the best of the best then! 👏👏
They were all on drugs
You mean they will be remembered as State funded scientific super humans.
Especially by pharmaceutical companies😂🤣
East German Woman the most DOPED ATHLETES EVER!.......cheers!
The best systematic training of athletes ever devised. Unfortunately, it also had some very negative consequences for some athletes long term. Still, the best training regime ever.
All these super athletes from Russia and Europe, all forgot how to run, jump, and throw; when the State sponsored doping stopped; all Europeans experience amnesia, when it comes to competing in T&F. Like Skippers , who is suffering the same kind of amnesia.
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IT'S GOING DOWN LOL!
From 1992 onward the drug testing was much stronger. There were still people doping and getting caught but it wasn't the blatant abuse of the 1980s.
There were German women suing, because they couldn’t have children, because they were given drugs for years. I know American athletes that have gotten caught and paid a hefty cost, just ask Marion Jones and her husband. But I understand why they have to blame America, because they can’t face the fact that they’re the blame, and no one else. And we know they can’t blame themselves! Hitler couldn’t face that fact either!😂
Dopers all
Not as dope as your mum's box.
Same thing today
With the advent of random drug testing the queens seem to disappear. ‘Magic shoes’ must have stopped working 🤔
Marita Koch and many other Eastern athletes still won everything after the change.
Sport has quite literally disappeared in Germany and Eastern Europe. Too many social problems to do that and no propaganda to further the regime authority.
Look at the USSR, US and China... how strong they were and are... Ideology pushes results.
Marita Koch. The clue is in his name. Brilliant sprint Queen.
*Brilliant Dope Queen
truth hidden in plain sight
Wtf 😂
D.D.R. the best.
They trained hard and had ample access to vitamin S.
With a hefty dose or two of Turinabol.
All were doped to the gills
Like many Americans today. They just get away with it now. And the drug they we’re accused of using Clembuterol isn’t a steroid
Wow. You are so enlightened! And trump won the presidency. Lol!
@@jjgreen5206 Allegations without any evidence! You sound like Hitler, because he thought y’all were superior also. Black athletes weren’t able to attend many colleges when y’all were winning. However, in the 60s those doors start opening little by little. Any American that uses anything gets caught, just like Sha’Carri Richardson! Marion went to jail and banned for life! Shut up until you can back up your LIES!! There were Germans females crying on TV, because their bodies were ruined. They’ll give you evidence!😅 I guess he scrammed because he had no evidence!!
@christopherwelch136 many of those females especially from swimmers and track and field transitioned to opposite sex
@christopherwelch136 many of those females especially from swimmers and track and field transitioned to opposite sex
Hopefully WR's will fall this summer..But that 800 ain't going anywhere...Coe and World Track need to erase it..How are they Still on books??
There should be an asterisk beside the 100m 200m 400m and 800m.
Everybody was on the Juice in The 80’s.
The same way Flo Jo’s widely contested WRs are still on the books. Legally it’s difficult because the star East German athletes were not mentioned specifically with doping in the Statsi files. And like Jones and Armstrong, they have never failed doping tests. Unlike Jones and Armstrong, they have never been forced to admit to doping. Cow wanted to scrap the records about 3 years ago but faced a real fight in the courts
All they do is drugs brothers and gentlemen
So why Russia and Germany can even make the cut in women's track now. They are too dam slow. They are not making them in the lab, like Ivan Drako in Rocky.
Canada usa gb can I go on
Magic shoe's !! Syringe's more like !!
If the Soviets and Warsaw Pact nation were systematically doping their athletes, how come they never made much progress in the Women's 100 and 200?
I really think the Big Red Machine spent a lot of state-sanctioned resources in developing these athletes from such a tender age!
Yes ofcourse that is the real reason. But so many western fluters here come and doing bla bla on drug drug drug .
A great way to distract the people of their government's repression.
Oh and they had some too were they on drug's this The first time seeing this
12:33 'The Trans World Sport sportswoman of the year 1991', so there it is.
So there what is?
Transworld Sports is the name of the sports television show you halfwit
I dont know what kind a stuff they were given but I wouldnt say these women had tons of steroids they didnt looked manly and look at Grit or Katrin they arent even muscular Katrin was really thin compared with flojo obviously her times werent as good
The Americans don't Like showing Flo Jo in 1987
The East German female athletes were extremely manly. Facial hair, deep voices, large muscles, etc.
@@feponcio nope not the case of Krabbe
German comeback in the sprints not possible the best Black females in the world dominate now...no catching them
There are black Germans.
Abby Steiner has a chance to beat the black girls
yOU DID CHEAT !!!
Dopers.
You're the typical imbecile who wants to dumb down everything with one word, not seeking to articulate your views. Life is complex and not reduced to one word.
For the sake of argument, let's engage in this debate. Yes, they used performance enhancement substances. However, what about the training, diets, perseverance, nerves of steel, technique, etc?
That would require thinking! Too much for you to handle!
Just like your precious USA athletes
@General Bradley definitely not out of jealousy. Who the hell wants to be american? Im spreading what I observed. US is the biggest crime pusher the most racist country and they use their media so well. It was always someone else' fault...
@General Bradley Hi-hi-hi Americans are pure as a tear, you clown.
Better athletes through chemicals!
Have not heard of them since
1. Schlimme Frisuren
2. Alle voll gedopt bis in die Haarspitzen
1. Stimmt, auch besonders in den Achseln.
2. Stimmt leider auch.
I once dated a East German Girl athlete and I was happy after a couple of minutes! She wanted to keep going all night ! I always thought she was on something 😂😂😂😂🤣
Steroids are well-known to greatly increase libido, particularly among female athletes. Tales are legendary of female athletes "needing it" and hooking up with fellow athletes and coaches.
@@kurtfrancis4621 I think all female athletes dope because only male can grow muscles and run faster.
Marita Koch the greatest of all time
Greatest DOPER of all-time. Yes, I agree.
@@GreyBeard_Fit no, she was a natural talent.
She's moreless admitted she used steriods and there's evidence she did, plus other athletes part of eastern european have admitted she did
@@MirjanaLfan ✨Delusion✨
@@MirjanaLfan Book: Doping Dokumente: Von der Forschung zum Betrug, 1991 - Marita Koch war voll bis zur Halskrause, das belegen die gefundenen Dokumente nach der Wende
Warum hat die USA und England die Trainer samt Unterlagen zu sich genommen. I LOVE DDR❤
Guaranteed your gen z 😂.
Вefore with doping times are weak, now without doping they improve it by 10 seconds , hehehehe.
are we sure they are not men
We are sure. Their doctors can attest (Unless you're a conspiratorial personality and fail to understand that simple trust is very reasonable at times) It's testament to the power of these drugs to affect gender characteristics.
Marita Koch is the best female athlete ever, period
Koch used performance enhancing drugs
And modern athletes don't
@@degreeO Prove it.
@@0077725 @Rand Al’Thor, Koch never tested positive but there is documented evidence to prove that most East German athletes received state sanctioned performance enchanting drugs.
lol
I find it hilarious that an in any Olympic event an athlete can test positive for PEDs while his or her competitors all test clean, yet their performance is near identical. Either PEDs make little to no difference (which is complete nonsense, they wouldn’t be used otherwise) or it’s simply the case that they were unlucky getting caught while the others weren’t. The answer is obvious.