Poker Hands With Doug Polk - Phil Ivey's $300,000 Decision
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2016
- Brad Booth puts Phil Ivey to the test, making a huge overbet bluff of $300,000. Can Phil Ivey make the call with pocket kings? Should he?
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Greenstein explained this hand he said ivey didn't know booth was a pro and thought he was an amateur overplaying aces. Also he said ivey had only brought 260k all the money on the table and did not want to bust and quit the game thats why he folded
Ivy could have gotten all the tab he needed to keep playing so that excuse doesn't hold water.
Doug,
From a poker player and fan from the golden days of online poker, i must say; Thanks for keeping poker entertainment alive.
This hand shouldn't be analyzed like it's a typical play in a normal environment. Brad Booth has stated in interviews he only made this move because he knew it was on TV and he wanted the publicity. That was back when every player was trying to get an endorsement deal. He knew bluffing Phil Ivey would get his name out there and possibly lead to a deal.
this x100
Didn't he also get big publicity from a video in one of the vegas poker rooms getting berated by the 'grinder's brother over owing money to everyone n not repaying, then told to fuck off out of the casino???
but the real focal point here is Ivy's decision and how to approach it in the right way. besides its not like Brad Booth walks around with a billboard that says 'im here for the plays' is he?
Dandan Oreo It's a valid point, but even Professor Polk himself admits he plays differently on stream than off stream. You would expect the same thought process for "pros" playing on television.
+MrOutstraight that was chino rheem you're thinking of
Wow, Daniel still has his own hair here!
Thanks for sharing the games & info - keep up the good work - never give up - have fun!
i remember watching this on tv, i feel old lol
Will you make Sammy Farha vs Jaime Gold AAvsKK hand just for the lolz? Love your content, keep it up!
Doug-Great Analysis. A great channel to be a subscriber... Thanks...
This is the hand the cost Doug $30,000.
Love hearing you talk about poker. You get it. :)
You should also get onto Iveys mindset in this season, in the same session he folded a kigh high flush on the flop on a simple bet and a call which is very unlikely for him, I guess if he was in another mood he was going to make the call
Douglas seems very innocent back in this era. Kind of precious ha - I enjoyed it.
Nice Video, Doug! It reminds me on a Hand i played in a 1/2 Game in Vienna ( wich is The City where i live ). My Opponent opens on the Button for 12€ and i 3Bet out of the BB with Kings to 48€...he ends up calling. The Flop came 9,9,6 and i bet half Pot size and my Opponent raised me all in --> wich was a overbet. I call and run into Aces 🤧. Such a bad timing to have Kings
Greetz from Vienna
Hi Doug can you do the guy Vs david beyamene hand the $1m one cheers
only confused with the Kd is it good blocker to call (blocking outs) isn't it blocking decent amount of his semi-bluffs?
Wouldn't we rather unblock diamonds here? If our opponent is more weighted toward a flush draw, we're crushing those hands in equity. I suppose it depends, because it might be a combo draw, in which case we're close to a coin flip.
That is so ridiculous how Phil Ivey knows whats going on, just the look he gave at the end pretty much sums up the hand
+Doug Polk would you rather Defend QdQx over KxKx (no diamond) in Ivey's spot?
And then he started judging Phil Ivey's bet sizing!!
He's correct
Your argument from authority fails miserably. Not everything Phil Ivey does is optimal brah.
No one is perfect in most areas of poker. That's why it's a life long game.
only durrrr has the balls to call that bet
DURRR is now broke tho
huh? thought he was still playing high stakes in macau..
+frank talby broke as shit. He's been in hiding for a while now
+kellyswanzy1 coincidentally so is Brad Boothe
No? Otherwise it would be pretty difficult to play 1k/2k games in Macau...
Great review...I think that there is a significant difference between Aces and Kings here, too, since you don't have to fear A4 or A5 of diamonds anymore, which make up for a decent amount of combos in Booth's range.
Also, not having that rare thing happening where Booth could have slowplayed AA is an extra bonus, albeit I don't see this happening very often.
I think this shows what might be Ivey's only real leak:
He is very unbalanced in huge All-in spots, both calling and shoving himself. In both cases, Ivey's is overly top-side weighted in his ranges, which is why he is more exploitable in these spots, which is the main reason why Dwan was able to beat him for years.
And yes, even watching HSP back a few years, I remember this episode and I was thinking, that his preflop cold 4bet should have been bigger, even up to something like 22-25k.
Mike can you explain a few things please. First, why don't you have to fear A4d or A5d? Not PHil's leak! I don't know theory well at all but on visceral basis, YES!, I have "felt" that "leak", too. Can you provide a little explanation about "unbalanced" , "top-weighted", etc. Thank you.
Well you sort of want A4s A5s to be in the opponents range since those are his bluffs that KK beats.
Booth re-raise first, calling the 3rd raise and all in after the raise on the flop. The only thing Phil is worried about is AA at this point and he did the right play by folding instead of risking everything on not knowing whether the opponent got AA. If Booth play crazy like that a few more hands, he is going to get busted anyway.
AA is also a fold here bud for that massive oversized shove. That shove is designed to target overpairs and clearly smells of 54s, 76s and at times Middle or Top Set.
5:06 David Benyamine tells a little joke. 5:10 the bluffer smiles awkardly trying to show as if he liked the joke and as if he is taking part in the conversation, without however actually taking part in it. this is the biggest tell you might get in a poker table, the one that I call the 'take-part' guy. it is extremely useful in other games too! it has a specificity of about 80-90%
So what exactly did it tell in this case?
he was highly likely to be bluffing. if he had a hand he wouldn't be affected or he would try not to seem affected by Benyamine's joke. (this is something I have noticed happening extremely often in poker and other games, you are free to disagree with me)
Interesting analysis. I"ll try to notice this next time.
I focus equally on my bluffs as I do on value hands. If anything I'm concentrating more when bluffing because of the more factors to consider
Just played with Brad in San Rafael...nice guy. He's broke though, so no more 300k bet bluffs :P
Could Brad ever raise to ~$85k on the flop to set up a potential turn pot sized shove? Seems like that would fold out a similar range of Phil's value hands for a significantly better price, but with the drawback of giving Phil the option of 3bet shoving the flop with his bluffs.
What is the high jack?
What about 44, 55, and 45 from Booth? You didn't even mention 45, which there is 16 combos of. Is he not representing 45? If the reason is "Because that is a bad play with 45" It's still worth mentioning.
interesting hand, you can see Ivey wants to call so much and it pains him to fold...
regardless of your detailed analysis I dont think you yourself would've called there for the same amount of cash
He wouldn't sit down at the table unless he was able to withstand getting stacked so he may have
+Hoss El he wouldn't have called there ever
What you say has no relevance to what Doug Polk might or might not do. smh
so what your saying is bluffs always work if the money is high enough ? but they don't, I wouldn't be bluffed with a pair of kings no way.
+Mh. A Doug Polk plays these stakes too you stupid fool. So yes, he would call
Nice bluff for publicity but really not smart putting 300K for like 36K
what season is this from
Doug liked this play so much he loaned Booth 30k!
awesome!
I agree with the piece that he can't really have a set. I don't see many players 3-betting pre in a deep cash game with low to mid pair. ...having said that I'd talk myself into him having 7-6 and lay it down -_-
I think this is a bad hand to be criticizing a big fold on. I support the fold, but only because I remember the first 4 seasons of High Stakes Poker quite well, and I remember Yukon Brad had bought in for a million, played just about every coordinated hand he got, and was showing down a lot of relatively speculative hands that had ended up smashing the board. There's really nothing that Phil Ivey is way ahead of that isn't an airball like 42ss when Yukon Brad shoves. Granted, I think the shove itself isn't fundamentally sound at all, but that massive overbet puts pressure on Phil Ivey's well-defined 4-betting range, simply because of how much more likely it is to hit Yukon's range than it is to hit any of Ivey's range. Phil basically has only two combos of hands (AKdd/AQdd) out of his entire range (AKA dozens of other combos of different hands) that Yukon would be worried about shoving into, and those two combos still have a hard time calling off this bet. I hate to use the word "outplay" in a situation like this, but Brad definitely won a game of Chicken here.
lol at yukon should be worried bout shoving into ak/aq of diamonds
+Numeronx Pop quiz: what is Phil Ivey's 4-betting range?
Doug doesn't seem to be factoring in the most important part... this is from 7+ years ago when they looked at poker differently. He should specify if he's using the logic from then or now - since poker has changed a lot.
on NL2 easy snap call!
Maybe phil ivey had a huge side bet on the game that he was ahead of. Also the reason why he raised so small preflop? Booth got a feeling that ivey wants to play small ball and made a big bluff knowing he wasn't able to call in this specific hand. I think I have never seen Ivey make a huge lay down and if this game was online or smaller stakes without side bets etc. He would call.
Isn't it better not to have diamond so your opponent is more likely drawing instead having a set?
Ville Hyytiäinen I thought the same , it is an old video
what i got from this is booth's move on ivy was genious because it worked. if it didnt, and he called him down; it was terrible play. lol.
No, that's not the point at all. In fact, these spots can be very deceiving due to the mean/mode effect. When you jam for hundreds of big blinds you're going to get a lot of folds, which makes it look like a smart play. The problem is that you're winning a very small pot relative to what you're risking, and when you get called down your losses immediately swamp whatever winnings you picked up along the way.
Who’s here after Brad went missing?
If he really flopped top set theres no way he would over bet the pot by 300k imo. Betting 300 to win 60 essentially...thats illogical and doesnt imply ur trying to gradually build the pot to extract value..it just indicates that u desperatley want the 60k pot and are willing to look like a maniac to get it. Real isuldur1 play here
Unless the possibility of a flush draw is out there (which it was with the diamonds) and you don't want them to call to hit it. I think that that is what caused Phil to fold. Someone with a set who doesn't want someone to hit the flush would ove rbet like that to get someone off the pot. I think that this was the story that Phil got....'Booth has a set'.
this
The level of play at these upper levels doesn't lend itself to this kind of thinking.
I guarantee you Ivey thought about that... "Why would he bet like that with a set? He knows that I know he wouldn't bet that way with a set..." And on and on. Ivey went one level too deep or one level not deep enough.
he did that and would have done it with a set as well because he figured after he called the flop phil would have slowed down even with over pair so he tried to make it look like a flop to double called
Would and have… Poker is about situations, and sometimes KK is no good.. Now, I’ve called plenty of times and looked up and had two eyeballs (AA) staring back at me, too.. lol..
such a bad fold by ivey imo... if I have a set here.. im smooth calling... and raising the turn... if I have a straight here Im doing the same.. maybe I actually am a terrible player but im calling here expecting at best a flush draw
Its an overbet, i just didnt think he had a book on booth yet.
I think it's worse to have the King of diamonds if you want to make this call because you block KQ KT KJ and K9 of diamonds which are all dream scenarios to be up against here. I do agree with Doug that Brad really doesnt ever have a set here because 77 66 and 33 are all standard calls in the CO facing a HJ open. So the question really becomes how often can Brad really have value here? 67s and 45s are the only hands i would ever consider three betting in the CO that have smashed this board.
Problem is Ivey is up against an unknown player and because of the overbet he's facing. He needs to be 80% sure he has the best hand.
i watch this and as a musician all i can think about is, " Studiofoam is expensive, especially the colored ones, why would he change from red to blue? its not like those things go bad, and also, why is Mark Hoppus critiquing poker hands?!" LOOOL
Seems strange that back in the days of non solver poker someone like Brad would be 3betting small pocket pairs to such a tiny amount with virtually no fold equity in position. Does Phil have info on Brad that he 3bets the tiny pockets? Phil is going to have to call some hands here or he’s just getting murdered post flop if he folds all over pairs on these textures, even to huge bets.
Phil doesn't know anything about Brad prior to this hand.
Doug clearly drunk af when he made this lol
I think Brad owes Doug some money.
28k and now he went missing since July 13/2020!
Phil can't see his cards. I trust Phil more often than not.
He def is repping 45 or a set. I mean he could have a flush draw with a pair of 7's.
King Chibot How can you 3 bet with such hands with people left behind to act in front of you
Even pocket sevens would be happy enough to call the already opened board, even if he's against 2 players having high cards to his sevens ,he won't be a preflop fav...
Snap call.
speaking of brad booth, did u ever get ur money back from him?
I am pretty sure not lol
Against an unknown I probably wouldn't call that without having AA.
What about Brad owing you $28K Doug?
Brad could have 3 bet with AA or 77. Either one is possible. In fact, 77 may be more likely than AA, because Brad probably would have re-raised Ivey preflop with AA.
He saw that cash and it fucked his judgement.
that goofy hair 🤣🤣🤣
I fold pocket kings as soon as I get htem because I know for a 4 to 1 certainty I will lose a lot of money.
stop playing immediately
Don't listen to Kamil. Please play me anytime you'd like.
it was obviously sarcasm nerd
nice mohawk thingy..
yes aa is a fold from ivey.
It would take a lot of balls to call in that spot. There are a few players who would instant call this, I'm sure, but it didn't feel right for Phil to go with it and so he had to let go of his kings. Absolutely crazy move by Booth but fortunately for him it paid off
Tough call due to stack sizing but overall Ivey could of minimized his range alot better. Over bet to win $50grand? Smells like a hand with possible +EV but not dominating. Highly doubt he thinks Ivey is a fish. He knew he had something good, Brad had his prayers up and nuts crossed on that hand.
2023
lol u teaching ivey to play ?? lol wp
Is it me or was Doug drunk when he made this video..?
Now that you mention it.. maybe he took his ambian a bit early
he's calling 300,000 to win 350,000. pot odd wise this was not a incorrect fold.
Lol, yes it is. Pot odds are irrelevant if you don't know your equity. Here he would be 50%+ plus versus any reasonable range. Thus he could call twenty tousand gazillion billions to win 300,000 and the pot odds would be correct
DA Maine Haha. show me a reasonable range he has less than 46% against
id bet my life you dont call that doug.
Do your 74 bluff against Patrick.
I did some math and I think our mdf v booth's jam is to defend 14% of our cbet range v air and 23% v a 20% equity bluff. If about a third of our cbets are QQ+ then we'd have to call KK 100% and if we're also cbetting AK combos then we'd have to call some QQ/AK combos v the jam. Since in Iveys shoes I wouldn't be cbetting AA/AK 100% I would probably have to call KK 100% and perhaps fold QQ 100%.
You think Boothe actually has those numbers in his head? Or anyone for that matter, that's not playing on a computer? You or nobody has those numbers worked out until the hand is done. Quit being a nerd with your Monday morning quarterback
kellyswanzy1 No bitch I want your stack!
I wouldn't have made that call if it was a $30 reraise to my $3 bet, unless it was against a guy I had a great read on. Stacking off KK every time there's a dry board that your opponent would have to flop a set or have played rags to beat you on is a good way to go broke against competent players. It works the other way too. Playing rags against people that get over aggressive with QQ+ is a good way to get stacks.
Miguel Waide *cough* except it was a wet board not a dry board *cough cough*
+asdfjk; not a wet board for someone that reraised or called 30k preflop. no way either guy was putting each other on a straight, or 2 pair, and there's not many nuttish combos if you take that away.
is it just me, or is this guy high af?
this guy!! lmao wow just wow
Cha'alt!
I think if phil had more $ he would have re raised to get him to fold. Ivey prob knew he was on a draw and just calling 300k against someone on a draw isnt worth it. Its better to re raise them to try to get them to fold at least so you wont have to take the chance, but if they do take the chance and draw dead you make more
Lol you can't re-raise someone who has already gone all in
You obv didnt read what i said go get some glasses
Ryan Russell Please re-explain then because it clearly says you think he should raise, which he would have, if Brad wasn't all in
If ivey had more money in front of him the guy wouldnt have been bullying. I said if ivey were going to play that had he would have reraised to get him to fold his draw but obv he didnt have enough money in front of him to do that
+Ryan Russell Again, reraising is not an option because Brad was all in. Even if Ivey had 1 billion dollars infront of him he can't re-raise
He just not want to play this hand maybe his opponent has pocket ace,flush draw,three of kind or straight cause his opponent raise so much even Phil has pocket king in this flop he did not dare to raise like this so confidently.
i learned a long time ago never count your chips never act like its real money. the way the action was i would of snapped called and hope he didnt get the flush or straight. you never raise then call a raise with a small pair. you always limp phil should of known.
even tho it worked this time i think you will lose on the long run.
Hey Doug, I really enjoy this series of videos. Please watch this (ruclips.net/video/s_cF87ic9FY/видео.html) hand between Mercier and Ivey and consider doing a video for it.
Honestly a ser chek raised you and a flush draw also does that or push all in if he a fish im alway calling
Set*
2023 2
I would have called there
Is Doug stoned, or drunk here? I can't tell.
Im surprised you advocate a CALL with $500 000 behind...why not shove.
Yo, D Fresh! - would you analyze this ivey v magician hand linked below ....do you think its just an easy call or a mistake brozo?
ruclips.net/video/-ZJ8VCYo1G4/видео.html
most overated bluff ever...those pot odds
The only thing Phil is thinking is that Booth has AA, since booth 3 bet preflop, there really is a small chance 3 bets a small pair there and hits that set and moves in.. AA really only makes since here, and I think that's why Ivey folded. Oh dougie boy, Booth didn't flat his hand. He reraised the J 9.. Gotta pay attention man. you say, there is a chance brad flatted AA.
he flatted iveys 4bet....
its u that needs to pay attention
He called preflop so yeah... You're wrong
Man ya'll are fckn stupid, Brad reraises to 5800 preflop, but in the video polk says, "there is some chance brad flatted AA preflop".. but he didn't flat the raise preflop, he reraised the J 9 raise. so he said it wrong. What now btches, check it out at 8:05. You're wrong btch.
he flatted the 4bet from ivey..His choices, reraise, fold, or flat,
he chose flat.
lol this guy is a clown
it's so funny watching a schmuck like Polk try to second guess a master like Ivey.
If phil make call and 5 spade hit on the turn! Phil drawing dead!😀😀