Still wanna see Archie Sonic vs. Wally West debunk Like, I'll link the greatest debunk of that episode to know what bs downplaying they did to my boi Archie Sonic ruclips.net/video/uBPC7epLJko/видео.htmlsi=NF7Do156ahwODHjW Best debunk ever right here
Hey just want to point out few things. First' in dc if one moves faster than light then they can perform time travel that's early comics or you can say silver age era stuff. Where you can see superman time travel . Which removed in later issues and modern era those things are not longer applicable. And the superman losing meaning of time and space . Was refference to his new teleportation power although if you want to accept as litreal meaning no problem . But superman also lost those powerups . Superman seriously 😑 gains power in one comic and loses it in another comic. 😅
And as for stamina 😂 part i think you missed two things . Goku can fight after death with a body that can fight for any time period without getting tired. And Superman against opponent of same caliber and strength never showed the same caliber of his limitless stamina.
Deathbattle has a higher budget in animation than actual research (the reason people are even there to begin with) and the Perfect cell vs Metal sonic argument really showed it to me
Incorrect. A majority of people who watch Death Battle are ONLY there for the fight animations. - You can track this on every episode by viewing each episodes _view popularity_ per tracking the video’s runtime. The fights *always* have more viewers than any opening and ending analysis, likely on every single episode (you can track the outliers-if any exist-if you want to).
the sugoroku space is an even bigger feat than what people actually realize, the death gods wanted to strand goku in the subspace that the sugoroku space resides in and for goku to return to the living world by destroying the sugoroku space he would have to destroy both at the same time, the subspace that holds the sugoroku space also holds the instant transmission space and the room of spirit and time
Goku never destroyed it in the first place. It was falling apart by itself when it was discovered that the game hosts were cheating all the time and tried to condemn them to oblivion. Goku blasting a hole through an already collapsing area is no feat
@kaihedgie1747 it was collapsing yes, if Goku had done nothing he would've infact been stranded in the subspace which the sugoroku space lies in, but he destroyed them both before it could completely collapse, Goku does not have the ability to create hyperdimensional portals when he fires a Kamehameha
@@we_be_vibiin-twitch He only blew through a hole through the area, not the subspace surrounding it. You seem to have forgotten that Goku only got out _that_ area because Shin teleported him out of it moments after escaping. Did you actually watch the episode or are you only repeating what other powerscalers have stated
Powerscalers should use Rebirth Superman (2016-present) and Canon Goku (no filler and GT). Once you start saying characters are capable of destroying an infinite universe or that a character has irrelevant speed, it makes no sense to talk about who would beat who. The feats are so abstract it would be like pitting Yahweh from the Old Testament versus Allah from the Quran. Zeus vs Odin makes more sense.
3:58 The idea that SSJ4 is 10x SSJ3 comes from people seeing Golden Oozaru come after SSJ3, thinking "that means Golden Oozaru is SSJ3 x 10, because normal Oozaru is base x 10!" and then thinking that SSJ4 is just Golden Oozaru condensed into a human form like Fury Broly or smth. When in reality, base Baby Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku, Super Baby 2 is directly compared to SSJ3 (so an 8x boost), and SSJ4 dunks on Great Ape Baby (said to be a 10x boost from SSJ3). So in its _initial appearance,_ SSJ4 is _at least_ 80x stronger than SSJ3, bare minimum and heavily simplified using only the main general plot points.
While I do agree with a majority of your arguements I do have a few questions; 1. When Gt destroyed the walls of the seperate dimension, wasn't it due to the residents of said dimension losing their game, thus pretty much allowing the feat to occur? I gotta full rewatch GT so I can't remember but I remember another powerscaler bringing it up. 2. The God transformation Multiplier: I agree that initially that Ritual God would have a fusion level amp, like Ssj4 full power, but afterwards wouldn't the form have a more minimal multiplier? I know DBS anime powercreep is ridiculous but you'd think a fusion level form would have no equal until ToP and beyond
In GT, sugoroku space aka the dimension goku destroyed at base form, it would require you to destroy the time and space of it to actually destroy sugoroku space.
Super saiyan multipliers from what I've discovered : Super saiyan grade 1 - 50x. Super saiyan grade 2 - 100x (just no speed increasement from dialgoue) Super saiyan grade 3 - 2.5x grade 2 (with a massive and I mean massive speed debuff, like even slow that even original dragon ball characters could react to the attacks) Super saiyan grade 4 - just like what was said. No changes. Just no stamina drain. Just the classic 50x Super saiyan 2 - 100x Super saiyan 3 - 400x. (Fairly consistent at times.) Super saiyan 4 - here is a thing. Between baby 3 and goku. There was at least the millions or billions gap of power. So overall. 4,000,000x-5,000,000,000x that's where super saiyan 4 is. Full power super saiyan 4 would be 2x original super saiyan 4. Ultra super saiyan 4 would be your mom level (aka bowel blaster level) I'm not gonna say anything but I'll discuss a fanon form cuz why not. Super saiyan 5 - at least about 60,000,000,000x-750,000,000,000x Now into god forms. Super saiyan god (aka when 5 monkes decided to all drink mountain dew) - Now let's give some explanation. Beerus at 1% one tapped all z fighters. So here is my multiplier 1,200,000,000,000,000,000x-565,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x that's the type of multiplier I've seen. And it would make goku actually make beerus use 70% like beerus has done in the battle of gods before being buffed into oblivion. For blue. Just put 50x on top the original multiplier of super saiyan god that I put above. For ultra instinct, it ain't a saiyan form, it acts like a muted version of mystic.
Great vid bro, but ngl you really high balled GT goku, especially with the sugoroku space feat. Since it resides within the subspace, not that it is the subspace itself, with the narrator and kabitokai saying that it’s an area between dimensions, and that it is a different dimension of space, even the episode preview says that it’s in an area between space and time. Meaning that it does have space and time, just not the conventional 3D space of and time. Goku also was bound by the rules of it, not being able to use his ki, until the cheating happened, then the realm started getting unraveling on it’s self according to the dragon ball website, where goku just opened a rift out of it like buu did. That’s without even knowing the size of it The movies being canon to GT is also pretty dubious at best, especially since Koyama said he has no connection to GT, with GT being a continuation to the anime according to Toriyama, when the movies not being connected to the anime. Even if that’s the case we can’t even confirm it’s the same cooler, the most that could be said is that GT has movie easter eggs and references. Nothing beats Death Battle research though I guess
I’m just gonna quickly say, the db universe is not infinite, when lowballed at least the living realm isn’t. This is proven how in rof when Frieza invaded earth he asked Whis to get Goku and Vegeta to earth as fast as he can, Whis said to Bulma that even at his *maximum* speed it would take at least 35 minutes to get to earth proving he has a *finite* travel speed from Beerus’s planet, Whis has no reason to lie here either and it’s consistent as Beerus always complains how slow whis is and how long it takes for him to get from place to place, yet he is able to go from universe 7 to universe 6 and 10 and even Zenos palace also proving there all a *finite* distance away. Thanks to how the DB universes are structured, we can tell that they’re based off of positive curvatures, which are spherical in scope and finite in size. This means universe 7 *peaks* at 3-A, as does the cosmology at large
@@drcjtonkin it is infinite the world guide literally said the living universe and other world is infinite so big in fact heaven can get lost in space in the other world, and u said whis is slow? Bro whis is traveling from beerus dimension to dragon ball cosmology, and Goku can't even use his instant transmission to beerus planet unless God ki (like super sayian blue, which is beyond stronger then super sayian God) is raised to an insane degree, the same god ki which threatened the whole macrocosm of universe 7 (ssG Goku, and Goku was still learning to control it at that arc, and even infact made it his base form) and it took whis 35 mins to get there while passing through multiple infinite span of space, as in the data book " 'the universe' said that endless space is wrapped around each celestial body" and it's impressive since whis is crossing through dimensions through and through.
@ Yap yap yap, I never said Whis was slow lmao all of that yap was for nothing, all I said was Beerus complained Whis was slow not me dumbass, Whis said that at his MAXIMUM speed it would take him 35 minutes to travel from Beerus’s planet to earth so Whis DOES have a finite travel speed, yet Whis is also able to travel from universe 7 to universe 6 and 10 which means all the universes are a FINITE distance away, if the db universe WAS infinite Whis wouldn’t be able to travel to each universe
I like Death Battle a lot but my BIGGEST flaw with the show is the end of battle analysis, where they go on to say "This battle could have gone either way" but then IMMEDIATELY go on to say "Character [A] was billions of times stronger, faster, smarter and more durable then character [B] and while character [B] HAD a win condition it's an extremely unlikely it'll help or win the battle for character [B]" I'm not even a powerscaler and again, I like Death Battle but like everyone else I just wish they did their proper research for most battles they do
@Unremarkable6969 Ong bruh😭 and even worse it's so obvious that in some fights they highballed the shit out of one character and lowballed the other one. Again no hate to the DB team just wish they did their research much better for some fights
@Unremarkable6969 did GT ever give a reason why it's called the X10 Kamehameha? Like is it somehow Kaio Ken multiplied or is it just a feature of the form? Because I really don't see a different reason as to why it would be the only form to mention a multiplier in it's attacks
I do wonder, do you keep a folder on your pc just named "Shadow" with all the Shadow pics you use on your videos or do you manually search for them over and over when editing ?
And dont forget that akirw toriyama states that ssj transformations in later sagas ( after dbz ) is incalculable by mathmatics which means it trancends it, inaccessiable cardinals is a mathmatic concept and since goku trancends mathmatice would make goku boundless 😂, and scalling the cosmology, db + dbz + dbgt + dbs + dbh you can easily get goku to a couple layers into outer and get him to 9-10d 😂.
If more proof was needed that Dragonball's universe is infinitely large in size, otherworld's heaven and hell easily accommodate every mortal being from every planet who has ever died.
There is "Power Levels in GT" video made by a guy. He made some good points. I recommend you watch his videos remarkable. He has more definitive powerlevels than the original guide books. So please watch his videos.
Wait I don’t get it, if BOG and RoF are canon to GT, where is God and Blue? Obviously I know GT came before the movies, but then that just fucks with everything by introducing new forms that came earlier but never appeared prior or were even hinted at besides I guess God (technically) with the ritual Goku did before fusing with Vegeta.
Akira Toriyama said in an interview said that Goku wouldn't need to use the God form anymore since he absorbed it into his base form. As for Blue, I've abandoned RoF being canon to GT, don't know why I said that
Bruh I see the Superman glazing in the comments but all of his feats have been done in the DC verse inside the presence, but the presence doesn’t even scale much higher then creation kais. The entire dc multiverse could fit in otherworld. A lot of people comparing this stuff don’t take into consideration that the DBZ verse itself is larger and significantly more powerful than verses like DC or Marvel. I dunno if you know a ton about DC but the whole balance of power is controlled by the presence, the presence isn’t scaling Superman up infinitely tho, he controls the entire DC verse and balances the power meaning when Superman gets “limitless power” he’s actually just getting all of the power the presence can give him in the DC multiverse. So as he’s beating “impossible foes” they’re actually getting weaker as he gets stronger hence it being the “balance of power” in the multiverse. Being outerversal when all of those verses are limited compared to someone who’s multiversal in an absolutely infinite cosmos.
If you are lacking content, why not make a Sonic vs Darksied? DC and Sonic official crossover conformed, and the main villain is Darksied. It is the perfect time to see if Golden Blue Blur can beat the ruler of the Apocalypse or not.
Base Sonic no diffs bc he is above Marvel, DC, riverdale and image comics cosmology combined Sonic has more than that, mathematics (high outerversal-boundless frontiers base Sonic, uses transfinite math and theory of parallel timelines), every Sonic coexist with each other (15d hyperversal-boundless base Sonic, boom Sonic cosmology: game base Sonic 15d hyperversal-low outerversal (string theory-superstring theory), Archie Sonic cosmology: boundless game base Sonic, game Sonic also connected to Archieverse bc many things like Sonic official art book and Tailstube indicate that, Solaris destroed whole Sonic multiverse, including Archieverse (also Marvel, DC, riverdale, image comics as part of Archie cosmology), Infinite is stronger than Solaris and base Sonic beat him, so base Sonic > whole Marvel, DC, riverdale and image comics combined), quantum physics (high hyperversal-low outerversal frontiers base Sonic), string theory (15d hyperversal frontiers base Sonic), super string theory (low outerversal frontiers base Sonic), plato's concept (in itself outerversal but Sonic villains scale above that (Erajor Djinn outerversal+, Alfa Layla Wa Layla boundless, Infinite stronger than Alfa Layla Wa Layla, so base Sonic is boundless), spatial thinking (outerversal 06 base Sonic and it's only 06 base Sonic, not secret rings, not forces or frontiers that are all boundless), type 4 multiverse (all atoms are infinite size multiverses with infinite possibilities and infinite variants with many other things like cho-jigen and etc, so u could scale base Sonic from high outerversal to boundless) cho-jigen context to being outerversal (frontiers base Sonic high outerversal bc Infinite > outerversal Solaris) jungian archetypes with context to being outerversal and all of theses Sonic cosmology things come from Sonic boom, Sonic manuals, Sonic 4d dimension book, Sonic official art book and Sonic encyclopedia
13:53 and 14:01 are just lifting strength. I know Superman vs Goku 2 is old, but DB should know lifting strength and attack potency don’t correlate 🤦♂️
I just found out that boyfriend and girlfriend from Friday night funkin would beat the shit out of Moxie and Millie from helluva boss if I used non canon stuff
@Unremarkable6969 thanks, when I'm done with the Shadow vs Mewtwo debunk I'll send it to you I'll also send you the PVZ scaling so that you can understand why I said Peashooter solos Sonic, Mario & Goku
I agree with some things that death battle said, and I agree on some things that you said I agree with death battle that Superman takes the edge on strength. I agree with you that Superman should take the edge in speed. I know I sound biased, but let me finish. I agree that Goku has better training skill than Superman. Now, if we were give them items outside items like the awaken keyword or the dragon balls or the Zeno button or the universal tree, you can give Goku that but Superman has a phantom zone projector that sends you to a pocket dimension where you have no physical form and a miracle machine that can create a bigger cosmology
I don't think Death Battle should have used those versions of Goku, and I wouldn't use those versions of Goku in my own hypothetical Goku VS Superman video.
They forgot to mention that MSSj, G2 and G3 exist before ss2. SSj2 is simply rhe last multiplier in a series of them. 25(stronger than G2, but not G3,) x base 50 ssj, x 2. Seriously, where did they get this information from? Have they ever watched DBZ?
@Unremarkable6969 remember there is a base ssj, and then the grades and mastered variant that is ssj post Goku and Gohans training in the ROSAT. The one that was required to reach SSJ2 originally, but then retconned it because U6 sayians needed a power boost as they gave ssj to them already.
@@NathanielReynolds-fq7bi I think the grades version of super saiyan kinda suck, it make you stronger and more durable but it slow you down so it just make you a punching bag
also if goku can break any limit... he can easily break a limitless character.... which fyi.. superman isn't limitless... that's a "no limit" fallacy which is false thank you for reading my ted talk
Death battle first super man vs Goku should won if they calculate every thing correct and also because super man doesn't have any good feats at that time Second idk Third Goku should won because they used hero's Goku for scaling
@Unremarkable6969 demigra who can destroy crack of time which Transcend infinite time lines xenoverse is canon to cooler movie so every time line have instant transmission zone which easily scale to outer and so making that' feat High outer and after getting more powerful demigra can destroy the beat world which see dbsh as ficition there's charisma world which see beat world and dbsh as ficition and fictional Japan which see charisma world as fiction and there's the real Japan
@Unremarkable6969 so you think super man is boundless and as far as i see with his scale is 4 layers into outer with out any debunks on him and xeno Goku have boundery manipulation means there's nothing he can't achieve
Personally i think giku wins because they said they would use heroes scaling but they actually didn't do in the video sure i agree that superman has lots of consistent scaling and feats but if we measure just based on consistency thaen that is just not how powerscaling can generally work but i do like you mentioned the thing about the db universe being more infinite the dc although in complexity i believe dc would lose to heroes scaling
When you use hero scaling then you would have to put supermans stronger versions against hero scaling aswell , which would of course make things a little more fair but not really since most versions of superman destroy goku
@RedHeroShorts I would disagree with that because even if we use any superman he is not on the same level as heroes scaling but I do agree that yes some versions of superman defeat main timeline Goku and yes some versions of Goku defeat even the strongest varient of superman however heroes is in a sense tied to main timeline Goku so they are connected
@@majdyalsaeed2798 nah but superman solos all Goku versions no difficulty, only anime freak I see beating supes is saitama but I don't think even he stands a chance
@@RedHeroShorts okay if thats what you think then be my guest and it's fine but Gokus strength feats as well as speed feats is just much higher then superman if you were to truly investigate them but sure if that's what you think
I'll wait till someone unearths Akira Toriyama saying or writing Battle of Gods links to GT. Its objectively does not fit. There's too much missing from GT for it to
@Unremarkable6969 You're misremembering. He never said he'd train him. He prompted Whis to wake him in 3 years after the fight to go eat earth food. He would've become a semi-regular regardless.
goku beat superman supermans base strength is not planetary in comics his base is city level until he needs to9 beat people and he has died to9 weak people all in the co9mics none o9f them were multiversal etc so it's quite crazy and his best feats are retco9nned versio9n o9f superman gg
Why this loise lane victim is compared to superman bro dc has microverse plactonic concept dream endless expansion heavy lowball a single universe in dc transcend the concept of dimensionality get goku past loise first 😭😭
Oh hell nah 💀 First someone saying that the Dragon Ball Universe transcends dimensionality and that even bum ass #2 can beat Superman, and now someone saying that the DC universe transcends dimensionality and even Lois Lane can beat Goku. Get outta here with that
@Unremarkable6969 no lol I said dc universe has micro verse concept in single universe microverse is concept of atoms partical having there own universe and dimension and each of them transcend the concept of dimensionaly or outerversal atom or erath endlessly expansion cosmology dreaming just by dreaming cosmology increase endlessly dc cosmology is way to superior than any form of comp db and it was heavy lowball Cosmology of dc bruh 💀☠️
gt inherently can't happen after Super An altered gt could but the gt itself that is known and watchable can't Goku or Vegeta at least would use ssb or their ultra forms 16:13 technically since all infinites have a point where they are reached it is possible Beings can be 0.1 times Baseline 4d if they go super Saiyan they're 5++++++++(speed requires energy² so it'd be more than 50 times) then bam now they're above it We just don't know what equations equal higher dimensions there inherently is a in-between point Although limitless technically isn't the same but they're based on the same idea so it's relevant to mention For example if time is to be the 4th dimension then you just multiply the volume of space by the time passed so Space*age of universe in planck times equals 4d And spacially the Planck volume would be used which makes a 4d tennis ball roughly equal to around a billion stars or so although the Planck volume could be smaller with higher dimensions but as far as physics is known to work higher dimensions are quasi-calculable Infinity is simply a paradox, universes are relatively infinite since they are the universe that's what makes infinite 3d just being a universe. Some 4d's thus are bigger but Infinity is just too paradoxical Especially having a higher infinity it's already infinite if it's infinite you can't go higher thus all infinites are relative and to higher beings they are finite it's just infinite for us basically because we're 3d it might as well be infinite even though it inherently isn't 27:46 it 100% depends on which Superman most get stomped by Goku but some are more powerful usually immensely so when they are but not many are
Arguing inconsistencies is a Nirvana fallacy, but I agree with you. However, if I remember correctly, I never said DBS happened during the GT timeline. I said BoG and RoF happened during the GT timeline. And while RoF is hard to prove, and I'm not 100% on that, BoG fits in very cleanly.
Hey just want to point out few things. First' in dc if one moves faster than light then they can perform time travel that's early comics or you can say silver age era stuff. Where you can see superman time travel . Which removed in later issues and modern era those things are not longer applicable. And the superman losing meaning of time and space . Was refference to his new teleportation power although if you want to accept as litreal meaning no problem . But superman also lost those powerups . Superman seriously 😑 gains power in one comic and loses it in another comic. 😅 And as for stamina 😂 part i think you missed two things . Goku can fight after death with a body that can fight for any time period without getting tired. And Superman against opponent of same caliber and strength never showed the same caliber of his limitless stamina. And a major thing Death battle uses Heroes Goku . Not dbs Goku . Who is shown equivalent or stronger than xeno goku. And they didn't count xeno Goku and XENOVERSE stuffs. 😅 that's it. Hope it's helpful to some people.
I only need one thing to get past Superman when using GT Goku, and it’s simply the explanation for other world being basically an outer realm since it doesn’t have the concept of time and space while transcending
scan was translated by Hermes: a guy universally considered the most trustworthy and reliable translator in the Dragon Ball community who's provided accurate translations for over a decade. Recently, some people have been trying to debunk this translation using this guy's (Ian Cipher db) interpretation. This guy (Ian Cipher db) claims the machine translations over-literalized the "transcending dimensions" bit. However, I don't think his translation should be the be-all-end-all for a couple reasons. 1.This guy (Ian Cipher db) said we should trust Hermes' translations more than his own. 2. I don't think this guy (Ian Cipher db) has a crystal clear idea on the true meaning of "dimensionally transcendental," seeing as he *himself* translated it as "extra-dimensional" before. There's also another translation by a Japanese native who gives the scan as saying the afterlife transcends the "dimensionality" of the living world. Certain translations have stated that the afterlife only "transcends the dimensions that can't be perceived from the living world"
Goku VS Superman (Death Battle) DEBUNKED: Remastered Collection & Knuckles (Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series)
Still wanna see Archie Sonic vs. Wally West debunk
Like, I'll link the greatest debunk of that episode to know what bs downplaying they did to my boi Archie Sonic
ruclips.net/video/uBPC7epLJko/видео.htmlsi=NF7Do156ahwODHjW
Best debunk ever right here
Hey just want to point out few things.
First' in dc if one moves faster than light then they can perform time travel that's early comics or you can say silver age era stuff.
Where you can see superman time travel . Which removed in later issues and modern era those things are not longer applicable.
And the superman losing meaning of time and space .
Was refference to his new teleportation power although if you want to accept as litreal meaning no problem .
But superman also lost those powerups .
Superman seriously 😑 gains power in one comic and loses it in another comic. 😅
And as for stamina 😂 part i think you missed two things .
Goku can fight after death with a body that can fight for any time period without getting tired.
And Superman against opponent of same caliber and strength never showed the same caliber of his limitless stamina.
@Karson-Duh-FoxTo be honest I was rooting for sonic he is much more consistent then wally .
@abhijeetgolder7535 If Goku dies, then he loses, so his Otherworld body isn't a viable option
This guy went from making death battle debunks to making his power scaling content.Massive respect
Hopefully you feel better soon bro,really like your video
Thanks man
Deathbattle has a higher budget in animation than actual research (the reason people are even there to begin with) and the Perfect cell vs Metal sonic argument really showed it to me
@@IcedicStar Their logic is flawed
Im a dragon ball fan and i say cell gets claped
didnt they agree metal would win?
You do realize that the Death Battle Casts are not supposed to be about doing actual math to decide who wins right?
Incorrect. A majority of people who watch Death Battle are ONLY there for the fight animations.
- You can track this on every episode by viewing each episodes _view popularity_ per tracking the video’s runtime.
The fights *always* have more viewers than any opening and ending analysis, likely on every single episode (you can track the outliers-if any exist-if you want to).
the sugoroku space is an even bigger feat than what people actually realize, the death gods wanted to strand goku in the subspace that the sugoroku space resides in and for goku to return to the living world by destroying the sugoroku space he would have to destroy both at the same time, the subspace that holds the sugoroku space also holds the instant transmission space and the room of spirit and time
Goku never destroyed it in the first place. It was falling apart by itself when it was discovered that the game hosts were cheating all the time and tried to condemn them to oblivion. Goku blasting a hole through an already collapsing area is no feat
@kaihedgie1747 it was collapsing yes, if Goku had done nothing he would've infact been stranded in the subspace which the sugoroku space lies in, but he destroyed them both before it could completely collapse, Goku does not have the ability to create hyperdimensional portals when he fires a Kamehameha
@@we_be_vibiin-twitch He only blew through a hole through the area, not the subspace surrounding it. You seem to have forgotten that Goku only got out _that_ area because Shin teleported him out of it moments after escaping. Did you actually watch the episode or are you only repeating what other powerscalers have stated
The game was falling apart, bro the space itself. Downplayer still stuck in 2014 @@kaihedgie1747
Powerscalers should use Rebirth Superman (2016-present) and Canon Goku (no filler and GT). Once you start saying characters are capable of destroying an infinite universe or that a character has irrelevant speed, it makes no sense to talk about who would beat who. The feats are so abstract it would be like pitting Yahweh from the Old Testament versus Allah from the Quran. Zeus vs Odin makes more sense.
3:58 The idea that SSJ4 is 10x SSJ3 comes from people seeing Golden Oozaru come after SSJ3, thinking "that means Golden Oozaru is SSJ3 x 10, because normal Oozaru is base x 10!" and then thinking that SSJ4 is just Golden Oozaru condensed into a human form like Fury Broly or smth.
When in reality, base Baby Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku, Super Baby 2 is directly compared to SSJ3 (so an 8x boost), and SSJ4 dunks on Great Ape Baby (said to be a 10x boost from SSJ3). So in its _initial appearance,_ SSJ4 is _at least_ 80x stronger than SSJ3, bare minimum and heavily simplified using only the main general plot points.
From what i remember, every non canon movie is canon in gt
Ayyy, GT appreciation, and Shadow the Hedgehog. and even some appreciation to Superman. W takes and W content. subscribed.
Your doing the the lords work man
Now that I've really looked into this guy's content you've gained a subscriber W. respect my mans shadow 👍
While I do agree with a majority of your arguements I do have a few questions;
1. When Gt destroyed the walls of the seperate dimension, wasn't it due to the residents of said dimension losing their game, thus pretty much allowing the feat to occur? I gotta full rewatch GT so I can't remember but I remember another powerscaler bringing it up.
2. The God transformation Multiplier: I agree that initially that Ritual God would have a fusion level amp, like Ssj4 full power, but afterwards wouldn't the form have a more minimal multiplier? I know DBS anime powercreep is ridiculous but you'd think a fusion level form would have no equal until ToP and beyond
In GT, sugoroku space aka the dimension goku destroyed at base form, it would require you to destroy the time and space of it to actually destroy sugoroku space.
@@SansINess53even majin buu blowing dimensions including of sugoroku space stated beyond time and space.
Thank you so much 🙏
@@Mr.NoTeeth based Anya pfp
Will you ever make a video about kakumei or af
After GT Goku VS Super Goku, I wanna do AF Goku VS Kakumei Goku as a "part 2"
@@Unremarkable6969okay nice there is two versions of af do so either you're going to combine those two or use one of them
@@Gojiraguy-c7j Toyotaro's version is the more well known version so that's the one I'd likely use.
I already watched all 3 of these videos but I will watch it again
Super saiyan multipliers from what I've discovered :
Super saiyan grade 1 - 50x.
Super saiyan grade 2 - 100x (just no speed increasement from dialgoue)
Super saiyan grade 3 - 2.5x grade 2 (with a massive and I mean massive speed debuff, like even slow that even original dragon ball characters could react to the attacks)
Super saiyan grade 4 - just like what was said. No changes. Just no stamina drain. Just the classic 50x
Super saiyan 2 - 100x
Super saiyan 3 - 400x. (Fairly consistent at times.)
Super saiyan 4 - here is a thing. Between baby 3 and goku. There was at least the millions or billions gap of power. So overall. 4,000,000x-5,000,000,000x that's where super saiyan 4 is.
Full power super saiyan 4 would be 2x original super saiyan 4.
Ultra super saiyan 4 would be your mom level (aka bowel blaster level)
I'm not gonna say anything but I'll discuss a fanon form cuz why not.
Super saiyan 5 - at least about 60,000,000,000x-750,000,000,000x
Now into god forms.
Super saiyan god (aka when 5 monkes decided to all drink mountain dew) -
Now let's give some explanation. Beerus at 1% one tapped all z fighters.
So here is my multiplier
1,200,000,000,000,000,000x-565,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x
that's the type of multiplier I've seen. And it would make goku actually make beerus use 70% like beerus has done in the battle of gods before being buffed into oblivion.
For blue. Just put 50x on top the original multiplier of super saiyan god that I put above.
For ultra instinct, it ain't a saiyan form, it acts like a muted version of mystic.
Great vid bro, but ngl you really high balled GT goku, especially with the sugoroku space feat. Since it resides within the subspace, not that it is the subspace itself, with the narrator and kabitokai saying that it’s an area between dimensions, and that it is a different dimension of space, even the episode preview says that it’s in an area between space and time. Meaning that it does have space and time, just not the conventional 3D space of and time. Goku also was bound by the rules of it, not being able to use his ki, until the cheating happened, then the realm started getting unraveling on it’s self according to the dragon ball website, where goku just opened a rift out of it like buu did. That’s without even knowing the size of it
The movies being canon to GT is also pretty dubious at best, especially since Koyama said he has no connection to GT, with GT being a continuation to the anime according to Toriyama, when the movies not being connected to the anime. Even if that’s the case we can’t even confirm it’s the same cooler, the most that could be said is that GT has movie easter eggs and references. Nothing beats Death Battle research though I guess
I’m just gonna quickly say, the db universe is not infinite, when lowballed at least the living realm isn’t. This is proven how in rof when Frieza invaded earth he asked Whis to get Goku and Vegeta to earth as fast as he can, Whis said to Bulma that even at his *maximum* speed it would take at least 35 minutes to get to earth proving he has a *finite* travel speed from Beerus’s planet, Whis has no reason to lie here either and it’s consistent as Beerus always complains how slow whis is and how long it takes for him to get from place to place, yet he is able to go from universe 7 to universe 6 and 10 and even Zenos palace also proving there all a *finite* distance away. Thanks to how the DB universes are structured, we can tell that they’re based off of positive curvatures, which are spherical in scope and finite in size. This means universe 7 *peaks* at 3-A, as does the cosmology at large
ALL available statements for its size are infinite/limitless/endless. You are arguing from incredulity, and providing no evidence
Yapping, irrelevant
@@Mindhaxors I did provide evidence? I’m just saying from statements the universe shouldn’t be infinite in the way most of y’all think it is
@@drcjtonkin it is infinite the world guide literally said the living universe and other world is infinite so big in fact heaven can get lost in space in the other world, and u said whis is slow? Bro whis is traveling from beerus dimension to dragon ball cosmology, and Goku can't even use his instant transmission to beerus planet unless God ki (like super sayian blue, which is beyond stronger then super sayian God) is raised to an insane degree, the same god ki which threatened the whole macrocosm of universe 7 (ssG Goku, and Goku was still learning to control it at that arc, and even infact made it his base form) and it took whis 35 mins to get there while passing through multiple infinite span of space, as in the data book " 'the universe' said that endless space is wrapped around each celestial body" and it's impressive since whis is crossing through dimensions through and through.
@ Yap yap yap, I never said Whis was slow lmao all of that yap was for nothing, all I said was Beerus complained Whis was slow not me dumbass, Whis said that at his MAXIMUM speed it would take him 35 minutes to travel from Beerus’s planet to earth so Whis DOES have a finite travel speed, yet Whis is also able to travel from universe 7 to universe 6 and 10 which means all the universes are a FINITE distance away, if the db universe WAS infinite Whis wouldn’t be able to travel to each universe
I like Death Battle a lot but my BIGGEST flaw with the show is the end of battle analysis, where they go on to say "This battle could have gone either way" but then IMMEDIATELY go on to say "Character [A] was billions of times stronger, faster, smarter and more durable then character [B] and while character [B] HAD a win condition it's an extremely unlikely it'll help or win the battle for character [B]"
I'm not even a powerscaler and again, I like Death Battle but like everyone else I just wish they did their proper research for most battles they do
"This was REALLY close"
Proceeds to explain why it wasn't close
"But again, it could have gone either way."
@Unremarkable6969 Ong bruh😭 and even worse it's so obvious that in some fights they highballed the shit out of one character and lowballed the other one. Again no hate to the DB team just wish they did their research much better for some fights
Sad thing is, death battle doesnt calc immeasurable speed feats, they always need some type of number to determime their answer
Well of course, most DB watchers are casuals
They don't understand what the fuck is an outversal or how the fuck infinite is bigger than Infinite
It feels like overtime they stopped caring about calculations and just wanna make cool fights
To be fair, a lot of them are really cool
@Unremarkable6969 oh, for sure they're cool as get out, but I wish they were given more care of the facts
Bro is THE death battle debunker
I think the reason for the 10x multiplier for ssj4 is the X10 Kamehameha being used by him
In short, they pulled it out of their ass
@Unremarkable6969 did GT ever give a reason why it's called the X10 Kamehameha? Like is it somehow Kaio Ken multiplied or is it just a feature of the form? Because I really don't see a different reason as to why it would be the only form to mention a multiplier in it's attacks
you need more sub
I know
I do wonder, do you keep a folder on your pc just named "Shadow" with all the Shadow pics you use on your videos or do you manually search for them over and over when editing ?
The folder
And dont forget that akirw toriyama states that ssj transformations in later sagas ( after dbz ) is incalculable by mathmatics which means it trancends it, inaccessiable cardinals is a mathmatic concept and since goku trancends mathmatice would make goku boundless 😂, and scalling the cosmology, db + dbz + dbgt + dbs + dbh you can easily get goku to a couple layers into outer and get him to 9-10d 😂.
Can I get grifter for 500?
@@Unremarkable6969 you want to be scammed 500?
Not because it's uncalculable but because he doesn't want to have trouble with math
@GOAT-ganyu merry christmas
@lightinthedark-hw1qd you too
8:32-8:38 this was funny as fuck for no reason
If more proof was needed that Dragonball's universe is infinitely large in size, otherworld's heaven and hell easily accommodate every mortal being from every planet who has ever died.
There is "Power Levels in GT" video made by a guy.
He made some good points. I recommend you watch his videos remarkable. He has more definitive powerlevels than the original guide books.
So please watch his videos.
I have no interest in power levels, outside of scaling. Hypothetical power levels do not interest me.
@Unremarkable6969 sure.
Wait I don’t get it, if BOG and RoF are canon to GT, where is God and Blue? Obviously I know GT came before the movies, but then that just fucks with everything by introducing new forms that came earlier but never appeared prior or were even hinted at besides I guess God (technically) with the ritual Goku did before fusing with Vegeta.
Akira Toriyama said in an interview said that Goku wouldn't need to use the God form anymore since he absorbed it into his base form. As for Blue, I've abandoned RoF being canon to GT, don't know why I said that
Bruh I see the Superman glazing in the comments but all of his feats have been done in the DC verse inside the presence, but the presence doesn’t even scale much higher then creation kais. The entire dc multiverse could fit in otherworld. A lot of people comparing this stuff don’t take into consideration that the DBZ verse itself is larger and significantly more powerful than verses like DC or Marvel. I dunno if you know a ton about DC but the whole balance of power is controlled by the presence, the presence isn’t scaling Superman up infinitely tho, he controls the entire DC verse and balances the power meaning when Superman gets “limitless power” he’s actually just getting all of the power the presence can give him in the DC multiverse. So as he’s beating “impossible foes” they’re actually getting weaker as he gets stronger hence it being the “balance of power” in the multiverse. Being outerversal when all of those verses are limited compared to someone who’s multiversal in an absolutely infinite cosmos.
DC at most is High Complex. Lol they love to glaze DC characters.
The DC universe is like way bigger than DBZ universe
this dude is yapping
If you are lacking content, why not make a Sonic vs Darksied?
DC and Sonic official crossover conformed, and the main villain is Darksied.
It is the perfect time to see if Golden Blue Blur can beat the ruler of the Apocalypse or not.
I'm not lacking content, I just don't have any in reserve in case I get sick. I have ideas, they're just not made.
Base Sonic no diffs bc he is above Marvel, DC, riverdale and image comics cosmology combined
Sonic has more than that, mathematics (high outerversal-boundless frontiers base Sonic, uses transfinite math and theory of parallel timelines), every Sonic coexist with each other (15d hyperversal-boundless base Sonic, boom Sonic cosmology: game base Sonic 15d hyperversal-low outerversal (string theory-superstring theory), Archie Sonic cosmology: boundless game base Sonic, game Sonic also connected to Archieverse bc many things like Sonic official art book and Tailstube indicate that, Solaris destroed whole Sonic multiverse, including Archieverse (also Marvel, DC, riverdale, image comics as part of Archie cosmology), Infinite is stronger than Solaris and base Sonic beat him, so base Sonic > whole Marvel, DC, riverdale and image comics combined), quantum physics (high hyperversal-low outerversal frontiers base Sonic), string theory (15d hyperversal frontiers base Sonic), super string theory (low outerversal frontiers base Sonic), plato's concept (in itself outerversal but Sonic villains scale above that (Erajor Djinn outerversal+, Alfa Layla Wa Layla boundless, Infinite stronger than Alfa Layla Wa Layla, so base Sonic is boundless), spatial thinking (outerversal 06 base Sonic and it's only 06 base Sonic, not secret rings, not forces or frontiers that are all boundless), type 4 multiverse (all atoms are infinite size multiverses with infinite possibilities and infinite variants with many other things like cho-jigen and etc, so u could scale base Sonic from high outerversal to boundless) cho-jigen context to being outerversal (frontiers base Sonic high outerversal bc Infinite > outerversal Solaris) jungian archetypes with context to being outerversal and all of theses Sonic cosmology things come from Sonic boom, Sonic manuals, Sonic 4d dimension book, Sonic official art book and Sonic encyclopedia
i want to see a android 16 vs e123 gamma match up im not paying you tho please
13:53 and 14:01 are just lifting strength. I know Superman vs Goku 2 is old, but DB should know lifting strength and attack potency don’t correlate 🤦♂️
I just found out that boyfriend and girlfriend from Friday night funkin would beat the shit out of Moxie and Millie from helluva boss if I used non canon stuff
Lowkey i do think that db characters can even resist natural mind control, specially the main Z cast since they often use mind space training.
Superman acording to death battle: I might not be worth much but I can lift.
Hey bro, why haven't you do a debunk on shadow vs Mewtwo yet, that death battle is ridiculously wrong
Cause I don't want to
@Unremarkable6969 Mind if I Make one myself
Make whatever kinda video you want
@Unremarkable6969 thanks, when I'm done with the Shadow vs Mewtwo debunk
I'll send it to you
I'll also send you the PVZ scaling so that you can understand why I said Peashooter solos Sonic, Mario & Goku
@Unremarkable6969 oh and btw merry Christmas
I like both of these characters for different reasons.
I see your channel name references your debunks.
Invincible pfp detected
Slams Bardock btw.
Get him past Raditz
I agree with some things that death battle said, and I agree on some things that you said I agree with death battle that Superman takes the edge on strength. I agree with you that Superman should take the edge in speed. I know I sound biased, but let me finish. I agree that Goku has better training skill than Superman. Now, if we were give them items outside items like the awaken keyword or the dragon balls or the Zeno button or the universal tree, you can give Goku that but Superman has a phantom zone projector that sends you to a pocket dimension where you have no physical form and a miracle machine that can create a bigger cosmology
What about cc & xeno goku ? you didn’t talke about theme
I don't think Death Battle should have used those versions of Goku, and I wouldn't use those versions of Goku in my own hypothetical Goku VS Superman video.
@ why tho ?
@@ibrahimoday-r5c They're different versions of Goku. That would be like using the Milkman or something.
Classic base Sonic neg diff
Wait can you explain the difference between irrelevant and immeasurable speed again? Still a little big confused.
Not sure if i invited you or nah. But wanna join my db scan server?
Goku vs Superman death battle why death battle team do this why are they doing their research
28:17 yeah 😭🤧
Damn
Technically that's a tool. He has that summons. Someone which last time I checked is actually in the rules of death battle being able to summon people
Sugoroku space makes goku have at least infinite speed.
Dedbatl hire this man
He a bit bias but not as bias as the research team tho.but still
Man, I wish
Goku vs Superman death battle i see why death battle team like are they doing their research
8:05 I can’t
Can you make power scalling death wolf vs discord (mlp)?
Discord negs so bad
@Unremarkable6969 real
@@Unremarkable6969Facts! 🗿
@@Unremarkable6969 how about discord vs zeno
They forgot to mention that MSSj, G2 and G3 exist before ss2. SSj2 is simply rhe last multiplier in a series of them. 25(stronger than G2, but not G3,) x base 50 ssj, x 2. Seriously, where did they get this information from? Have they ever watched DBZ?
What are you talking about?
@Unremarkable6969 remember there is a base ssj, and then the grades and mastered variant that is ssj post Goku and Gohans training in the ROSAT. The one that was required to reach SSJ2 originally, but then retconned it because U6 sayians needed a power boost as they gave ssj to them already.
@@NathanielReynolds-fq7bi I think the grades version of super saiyan kinda suck, it make you stronger and more durable but it slow you down so it just make you a punching bag
@hoangquoc7970 G2 isn't, but you gain no speed. G3 is though
I disagree about the immeasurable speed, but overall, it’s a good video
Thanks ✌️😎
Why?
@@Joxxy844 Because IT is technique, not his actual speed.
@IDK-dude1yeah it's technique but they fight in side of dimension have no concept of space of time that give Goku immeserable Speed.
@@Joxxy844 Then that just makes IT immeasurable then
also if goku can break any limit... he can easily break a limitless character.... which fyi.. superman isn't limitless... that's a "no limit" fallacy which is false thank you for reading my ted talk
Death battle first super man vs Goku should won if they calculate every thing correct and also because super man doesn't have any good feats at that time
Second idk
Third Goku should won because they used hero's Goku for scaling
@Light-qs1qk Even Heroes Goku isn't beating mainline Superman
@Unremarkable6969 demigra who can destroy crack of time which Transcend infinite time lines xenoverse is canon to cooler movie so every time line have instant transmission zone which easily scale to outer and so making that' feat High outer and after getting more powerful demigra can destroy the beat world which see dbsh as ficition there's charisma world which see beat world and dbsh as ficition and fictional Japan which see charisma world as fiction and there's the real Japan
@Light-qs1qk You would be surprised what kinda shenanigans Superman gets up to, because he's, bare minimum, matched all that.
@Unremarkable6969 so you think super man is boundless and as far as i see with his scale is 4 layers into outer with out any debunks on him and xeno Goku have boundery manipulation means there's nothing he can't achieve
@Light-qs1qk He has arguments.
I thought it was a notification for a dating app for a second 😭
Imagine if RUclipsrs had unique notifications sounds for their videos they could adjust themselves.
Debunk knuckles vs Donkey Kong.
Your mic is atrocious
Personally i think giku wins because they said they would use heroes scaling but they actually didn't do in the video sure i agree that superman has lots of consistent scaling and feats but if we measure just based on consistency thaen that is just not how powerscaling can generally work but i do like you mentioned the thing about the db universe being more infinite the dc although in complexity i believe dc would lose to heroes scaling
When you use hero scaling then you would have to put supermans stronger versions against hero scaling aswell , which would of course make things a little more fair but not really since most versions of superman destroy goku
@RedHeroShorts I would disagree with that because even if we use any superman he is not on the same level as heroes scaling but I do agree that yes some versions of superman defeat main timeline Goku and yes some versions of Goku defeat even the strongest varient of superman however heroes is in a sense tied to main timeline Goku so they are connected
@@majdyalsaeed2798 nah but superman solos all Goku versions no difficulty, only anime freak I see beating supes is saitama but I don't think even he stands a chance
@@majdyalsaeed2798 a ripoff can't beat the original, Goku is just ripoff superman
@@RedHeroShorts okay if thats what you think then be my guest and it's fine but Gokus strength feats as well as speed feats is just much higher then superman if you were to truly investigate them but sure if that's what you think
took a screenshot of that baddie..... 3:50 and hopefully you get better
@@Shadowtheultimatechaosform-c4l her name is Aoi 🤐
@@Unremarkable6969 k
@@Unremarkable6969 from what?
@Shadowtheultimatechaosform-c4l Danganronpa 🤐
@@Unremarkable6969 k
do you like chainsaw man
@ahzayamackie8881 yep
21:19 which is NONE 😭 him and Dc caps at 6d, always have always will
I'll wait till someone unearths Akira Toriyama saying or writing Battle of Gods links to GT. Its objectively does not fit. There's too much missing from GT for it to
Like what?
@Unremarkable6969 Where are Beerus and Whis?
@@GoofyLibra1432 Beerus and Whis left, in the film they never said they were gonna train Goku. He and Beerus fought once, and that was that.
@Unremarkable6969 You're misremembering. He never said he'd train him. He prompted Whis to wake him in 3 years after the fight to go eat earth food. He would've become a semi-regular regardless.
I’m late but I’m here
goku beat superman supermans base strength is not planetary in comics his base is city level until he needs to9 beat people and he has died to9 weak people
all in the co9mics none o9f them were multiversal etc so it's quite crazy and his best feats are retco9nned versio9n o9f superman gg
Why this loise lane victim is compared to superman bro dc has microverse plactonic concept dream endless expansion heavy lowball a single universe in dc transcend the concept of dimensionality get goku past loise first 😭😭
Oh hell nah 💀
First someone saying that the Dragon Ball Universe transcends dimensionality and that even bum ass #2 can beat Superman, and now someone saying that the DC universe transcends dimensionality and even Lois Lane can beat Goku.
Get outta here with that
@Unremarkable6969 no lol I said dc universe has micro verse concept in single universe microverse is concept of atoms partical having there own universe and dimension and each of them transcend the concept of dimensionaly or outerversal atom or erath endlessly expansion cosmology dreaming just by dreaming cosmology increase endlessly dc cosmology is way to superior than any form of comp db and it was heavy lowball Cosmology of dc bruh 💀☠️
@Unremarkable6969 bro and I literally write microverse there 💀😭🙏
@@Unremarkable6969 microverse is the concept of atoms having there own lif form you can read that 😭
Seethe.
Seether? I love Seether.
gt inherently can't happen after Super
An altered gt could but the gt itself that is known and watchable can't
Goku or Vegeta at least would use ssb or their ultra forms
16:13 technically since all infinites have a point where they are reached it is possible
Beings can be 0.1 times Baseline 4d if they go super Saiyan they're 5++++++++(speed requires energy² so it'd be more than 50 times) then bam now they're above it
We just don't know what equations equal higher dimensions there inherently is a in-between point
Although limitless technically isn't the same but they're based on the same idea so it's relevant to mention
For example if time is to be the 4th dimension then you just multiply the volume of space by the time passed so
Space*age of universe in planck times equals 4d
And spacially the Planck volume would be used which makes a 4d tennis ball roughly equal to around a billion stars or so although the Planck volume could be smaller with higher dimensions but as far as physics is known to work higher dimensions are quasi-calculable
Infinity is simply a paradox, universes are relatively infinite since they are the universe that's what makes infinite 3d just being a universe.
Some 4d's thus are bigger but Infinity is just too paradoxical
Especially having a higher infinity it's already infinite if it's infinite you can't go higher thus all infinites are relative and to higher beings they are finite it's just infinite for us basically because we're 3d it might as well be infinite even though it inherently isn't
27:46 it 100% depends on which Superman most get stomped by Goku but some are more powerful usually immensely so when they are but not many are
Arguing inconsistencies is a Nirvana fallacy, but I agree with you. However, if I remember correctly, I never said DBS happened during the GT timeline. I said BoG and RoF happened during the GT timeline. And while RoF is hard to prove, and I'm not 100% on that, BoG fits in very cleanly.
Good video but disliked for the Guilty Gear music jumpscare
@@GyaruRespecter WE ALREADY KNOW THE SMELL OF THE GAME
15:26 😂
Your sick. What your sick with
Whatever Mr. Freeze's wife has
@@Unremarkable6969Oh. 💀
If u watch gt goku vs super goku from kazi or official divine
@@YTVEGITO I've seen it, but I don't really their editing style. Hurts my head.
@@Unremarkable6969 no I meant for the ssj4 multipler and I wanted to see if agree to a certain degree
Hey just want to point out few things.
First' in dc if one moves faster than light then they can perform time travel that's early comics or you can say silver age era stuff.
Where you can see superman time travel . Which removed in later issues and modern era those things are not longer applicable.
And the superman losing meaning of time and space .
Was refference to his new teleportation power although if you want to accept as litreal meaning no problem .
But superman also lost those powerups .
Superman seriously 😑 gains power in one comic and loses it in another comic. 😅
And as for stamina 😂 part i think you missed two things .
Goku can fight after death with a body that can fight for any time period without getting tired.
And Superman against opponent of same caliber and strength never showed the same caliber of his limitless stamina.
And a major thing Death battle uses Heroes Goku . Not dbs Goku . Who is shown equivalent or stronger than xeno goku.
And they didn't count xeno Goku and XENOVERSE stuffs. 😅 that's it.
Hope it's helpful to some people.
I only need one thing to get past Superman when using GT Goku, and it’s simply the explanation for other world being basically an outer realm since it doesn’t have the concept of time and space while transcending
scan was translated by Hermes: a guy universally considered the most trustworthy and reliable translator in the Dragon Ball community who's provided accurate translations for over a decade.
Recently, some people have been trying to debunk this translation using this guy's (Ian Cipher db) interpretation.
This guy (Ian Cipher db) claims the machine translations over-literalized the "transcending dimensions" bit. However, I don't think his translation should be the be-all-end-all for a couple reasons.
1.This guy (Ian Cipher db) said we should trust Hermes' translations more than his own.
2. I don't think this guy (Ian Cipher db) has a crystal clear idea on the true meaning of "dimensionally transcendental," seeing as he *himself* translated it as "extra-dimensional" before.
There's also another translation by a Japanese native who gives the scan as saying the afterlife transcends the "dimensionality" of the living world.
Certain translations have stated that the afterlife only "transcends the dimensions that can't be perceived from the living world"
God fusion goku beats milkman and cosmic armor superman postcrisis and precrisis supes beats goku from super
Also Jump Force Goku beat milkman and CAS.
Nah Lois lane slaps gokus head off and he's done for
@@type-pro3907spider man after accidentally slapping jump force gokus weak head off😂
Pov : a random citizen in DC accidentally farting and killing weak goku😂
@@RedHeroShorts Arale's 💩 solos the fodderverse
DUDE YOUR MUSIC IS TOO FUCKING LOUD
Okay (Proceeds to do nothing about it)
How is death battle still considered a reliable source for battles, theyve been proven wrong and bias so many times
I lost all faith in em when they actually made bardock in SSJ lose to omni man, obviously to get more people hooked by angering them. Really?
I mean, sometimes they got good stuff. They're not always wrong, they're just very mainstream.
@@Unremarkable6969 i feel like the whole "we need to put big numbers on the screen" gets in the way of more complex feats
"they punch each other and then they either die or don't" just like dad
@@ux67623 Damn bro 😞
nah my step uncle wins low dif
@@The5thtoe *Explodes your knee caps
@@Unremarkable6969 I don't get it
@@The5thtoe Your knee caps are no more
@@Unremarkable6969 u watch ranma 1/2
2:26 3:36 5:24. 5:40 7:43 9:55 10:05
13:29 15:23 15:32 17:05 hahahahahahahahha😂
Superman still curb stomps so i dunno
Superman always wins but it doenst change the fact that the way they get to that conclusion is usually wrong or all over the place
17:05 😂