PS5 Pro - Review

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  • Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2024

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  • @SkillUp
    @SkillUp  3 дня назад +95

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    • @Vahig7
      @Vahig7 3 дня назад +7

      I miss laymen gay men

    • @WtfYoutube_YouSuck
      @WtfYoutube_YouSuck 3 дня назад

      What a MASSIVE fuckin' failure to read the market.

    • @MacGuffin1
      @MacGuffin1 3 дня назад +1

      Good review!

    • @Packin-Heat.
      @Packin-Heat. 3 дня назад

      Shilling for game streaming. You're disgusting ShillUp.

    • @EyeGodZA
      @EyeGodZA 3 дня назад +1

      Bro did you just call Mark Cerny a “high tech priest”!?
      LMAO that’s the most gamer thing I’ve ever heard.

  • @remander3873
    @remander3873 3 дня назад +1807

    Take home message: time to get a base PS5 on sale if you don't already have one.

    • @DontuseMyRealNameYTplz1425
      @DontuseMyRealNameYTplz1425 3 дня назад +58

      Bruh if anything the price has gone UP, they ain’t going on sale anytime soon

    • @matth1621
      @matth1621 3 дня назад

      ​@@DontuseMyRealNameYTplz1425 this week Sony said in their investors call that they are gonna do a holiday sale

    • @fantasythinkerfan
      @fantasythinkerfan 3 дня назад +30

      Or just wait for the PS6

    • @KB-ql8cx
      @KB-ql8cx 3 дня назад +5

      @@DontuseMyRealNameYTplz1425
      I checked a few retailers. At least in the US it hasn’t gone up. You could probably get a used one at a decent price.

    • @Jim26D
      @Jim26D 3 дня назад +22

      ​@@fantasythinkerfansony just needs a whole rebrand. Once the dei stops maybe I'd get one in the future

  • @MrMikeTheDude
    @MrMikeTheDude 3 дня назад +1318

    Moral of the video: Developers should fuck off with 30fps modes and push optimization for 60 with best visuals.

    • @mrartezi2667
      @mrartezi2667 3 дня назад +14

      You get both with pro that's the whole point

    • @billybatts8283
      @billybatts8283 3 дня назад +26

      Good looking 30fps is better than average looking 60fps. 60fps with compromised visuals is like dating a disabled, much better to go for looks.

    • @Gungrave123
      @Gungrave123 3 дня назад

      @@billybatts8283 you sound mentally disabled yourself. 80% of people picked performance mode on PS5 according to Sony themselves. 60 FPS BEATS ANY FIDELITY ANY TIME.

    • @muzi69
      @muzi69 3 дня назад

      @@mrartezi2667are u dumb?

    • @gorillagroddgaming
      @gorillagroddgaming 3 дня назад +56

      Exactly. No excuse for 30 fps in 2024. It’s why I swapped to PC during last gen.

  • @futureskeletons66669
    @futureskeletons66669 2 дня назад +134

    Sony seem to have forgotten that quite a lot of their customers have only had their PS5 for 2 yrs thanks to the issues with scalping at launch. With that in mind, launching a Pro console at $700 just seemed crazy, to me.

    • @lexievv
      @lexievv 2 дня назад +7

      Jup, same here. Only had it for 2 years and not planning on giving up another 300-500 euro( depending on resale value of my ps5) and then not getting a disc drive or even a stand included lol.

    • @bdizzle9586
      @bdizzle9586 2 дня назад +5

      You seem to have forgotten that YOU are not Sony’s only customer.

    • @lexievv
      @lexievv 2 дня назад +13

      @@bdizzle9586 Not what the original comment is, or I am, saying.
      We get perfectly well we're not the only one. But the fact that the PS5 pro isn't selling out fast most likely partly due to people only recently haven gotten their hands on the normal one or the PS5 slim

    • @purpledrank2922
      @purpledrank2922 2 дня назад

      Its 1000$ here

    • @yanZama
      @yanZama 2 дня назад +2

      ​@@bdizzle9586 lol bro the ps5 pro ain't isn't selling, because noone asked for it, specially at that price

  • @Seven7swords
    @Seven7swords 3 дня назад +1153

    I don't play games to take screenshots. This idea that 30fps/8k resolution is acceptable is stupid. 60fps should be the minimum. Full stop.

    • @Crashed131963
      @Crashed131963 3 дня назад +110

      I will take 1080p/60fps with no RT over 8k/30fps with RT anyday .
      Who cares how good it looks if it is shuddering at 30 fps in game play .

    • @rangersnut
      @rangersnut 3 дня назад +56

      I fully agree. 60 fps needs to be the minimum standard.

    • @kevinschweda608
      @kevinschweda608 3 дня назад +41

      People who choose 30 fps mode instead of 60 fps is the most crazy thing in gaming imo.

    • @rangersnut
      @rangersnut 3 дня назад +16

      @@kevinschweda608 I agree, it should be 60fps minimum and 120 and above in the PC space.

    • @666slateran666
      @666slateran666 2 дня назад +20

      Nobody cares about 8k. 4k 60 fps is a reality now

  • @DuggyDarko
    @DuggyDarko 3 дня назад +1638

    80% more money for a (upto)30% boost, just to play the same games youve already played is insane.

    • @markedone494
      @markedone494 3 дня назад +209

      Phew, wait till you hear when they do to pc components every year

    • @michaelp.3485
      @michaelp.3485 3 дня назад +117

      Wait until you see what Trump's tariffs are going to do to prices of everything!

    • @joshuabenton3785
      @joshuabenton3785 3 дня назад +9

      So what you were saying is double the money for about a quarter increase of Fidelity and performance… We are basically digging in the bargain bin right now with that kind of deal…Wait…

    • @EldenPeasant
      @EldenPeasant 3 дня назад +114

      @@markedone494 You must be rich to think that people change pc components like Iphone.

    • @Rakka5
      @Rakka5 3 дня назад +27

      It's not even a 30% total boost, it's a 30% boost for extremely minor things 99% of people don't even care about.

  • @zvacanti
    @zvacanti 2 дня назад +58

    The disc drive was a terrible decision, I would’ve upgraded to it even though I mostly game on pc but the disc removal pushed me away and I think there’s a decent amount of us feeling that way

    • @brendanroe8604
      @brendanroe8604 День назад +2

      I'm with you

    • @guthetanuki256
      @guthetanuki256 День назад +1

      Same here. I'm still heavily into physical media and will be for many, many years to come. PS5 pro would have been a fantastic upgrade but provided that $700 is now going to be $800+ and some change when adding tax plus disc drive and stand I think I'll just ride it out with my base PS5 until the next generation. There really is no point in upgrading at this point in time.

    • @MrWeird-mu5ul
      @MrWeird-mu5ul День назад +1

      Finally, smart ps5 owners who aren't braindead and isn't a mindless pawn of Sony just eating everything served at them, the amount of copium ps5 owners had that this machine is more worth it than a PC is baffling.

    • @Squabbywabose
      @Squabbywabose 23 часа назад

      I went out of my way to get a disc drive ps5, glad i snagged the last of the mohicans

    • @Crazy-77
      @Crazy-77 Час назад

      So you don’t download or stream games on your PC? 🤔

  • @ralphdailey9503
    @ralphdailey9503 2 дня назад +310

    The 3 main reasons that people prefer consoles over PCs are:
    1. Price
    2. Physical media
    3. Exclusives
    It seems that Sony is working very hard to ret rid of those reasons.

    • @urazz7739
      @urazz7739 2 дня назад +11

      To be fair, 3rd party exclusives are getting too expensive nowadays and Sony really can't afford it anymore because some companies, like Square Enix are done with exclusivity deals with Sony since the exclusivity deal money they get from Sony isn't cutting it and is hurting their bottom line. So, Square Enix is most likely going to lower the budgets of their big games and they are going to just ship their games to all platforms possible to maximize their profits.

    • @AlexNuche
      @AlexNuche 2 дня назад +18

      1. Price? Both the pro and base are much cheaper than their PC equivalents.
      2. Physical media? Only ones offering an option for those who want it.
      3. Exclusives? They got em and more are coming.
      What I don’t understand is why there are so many people held bent on telling other people how to spend their money. This is an enthusiast product at an enthusiast price for enthusiasts.

    • @joejoe2658
      @joejoe2658 2 дня назад +1

      one reason people dont like to have to hit a fking button to read the entirety of some stupid comment...

    • @callouu3601
      @callouu3601 2 дня назад +6

      What about convenience and longevity? - a pc player.

    • @PhinioxGlade
      @PhinioxGlade 2 дня назад +28

      You have missed the biggest one: consoles are streamlined in all aspects. dealing with windows, drivers, hardware/software compatibility, anti-cheat, granular pre game settings, steam market place bloat, inconsistent performance, and or intel, Nvidia or AMD, dlss or native. And test the SteamDeck does a good job removing those, but now your back to console concept.
      At the end of the day I want to open a game and just play. No messing around ever. I’m also a software developer, it’s not a technical barrier.

  • @gpcube
    @gpcube 3 дня назад +398

    My PS5's job is to play PS4 games at 60fps, since the PS5 era has been disappointingly light on desirable exclusives. I can't see any reason for a Pro, and am unlikely to get a PS6 unless something radically changes as far as quality and quantity of exclusives.

    • @JG-wx2xs
      @JG-wx2xs 3 дня назад +12

      Totally agree

    • @MrOnepiece14
      @MrOnepiece14 3 дня назад +54

      "What is my purpose?"
      "To play games from a better and more successful machine."
      "Oh, my God..."

    • @phillipcollins1103
      @phillipcollins1103 3 дня назад

      Totally..Sony are greed filled sell outs so there will no longer be any exclusives at all unless you count time limits..which I do not

    • @dmill96
      @dmill96 3 дня назад +7

      Most of the ps4 games aren't even 60 fps

    • @danielw8776
      @danielw8776 3 дня назад +25

      My PS5 is basically just a 4k movie player/netflix box. I've played a whopping 2 games on it.

  • @betrayermoon
    @betrayermoon День назад +17

    It's $1400 in New Zealand bro, fuck this console. Even if I traded in my base PS5 it's still more expensive than the base PS5 was originally here. What a fuckin joke.

    • @AtreidesT660
      @AtreidesT660 День назад

      Christ ! 😄 How much would it cost you to build a PC of comparable performance ? Honest question.

    • @alfonsowang7025
      @alfonsowang7025 15 часов назад

      In China,now 800 USD,on Pingduoduo(Temu Chinese ver.)I bought it just a little early, and it's 900 USD. Prices dropping really fast. U can wait a little.

    • @Ninjachickenfingers
      @Ninjachickenfingers 31 минуту назад

      Good thing it’s not worth buying anyway

  • @ArZChenemy
    @ArZChenemy 3 дня назад +247

    I just feel like companies are trying their hardest to give consumers reasons to keep buying hardware, but let's be honest, graphics have been really the same since like 4 years ago... and the differences are so minimal that are really unrecognizible for the average consumer

    • @vexx12343
      @vexx12343 3 дня назад +15

      For real since 2018ish shot has started to be the same

    • @aliceinwonderland4395
      @aliceinwonderland4395 2 дня назад +9

      Nah, graphics haven't been the same and aren't going to be the same. Every console generation provides a massive jump in the quality of graphics and the scope of a game. The PROBLEM is even though the consoles are clearly capable of this much and more, the onus is on the developers to make it happen. But they don't make it happen. Why? Because maximising the potential for graphics on a console skyrockets the game development's budget to infinity, and it doubles if not triples the length of time required to make a game not only look that insane, but feel and play that insane. Most gaming studios are only interested in getting a game out in a reasonable timeframe at an affordable cost to the consumer, which means they will never afford to truly push graphics, which is why we've been seeing the same 2016-rate PS4 graphics for nearly 10 years now and will continue to be seeing it for another couple of years.
      However, with infinite time, money and resources, a truly next gen PS5 game would obliterate anything that came before it in terms of graphics no questions asked, and you would notice just how much of a huge leap from generation to generation it's been.

    • @thegheymerz6353
      @thegheymerz6353 2 дня назад +8

      Red dead redemption 1 graphics in high resolution are as good as they need to be to tell a compelling story and make a great game. Its a waste of time imo unless they want to push technology for reasons other than making a game.

    • @FreshLyte
      @FreshLyte 2 дня назад +27

      ​@@aliceinwonderland4395nah, there's been no massive jump this gen. Your high on your own supply. It's like you're stuck in the year 2004 or something.

    • @Traumglanz
      @Traumglanz 2 дня назад +1

      CPU demand in game is on the rise and they keep doing again interesting things with all that CPU power avaible. Shame that the PS5 pro does not come at all with improvements on the CPU.
      Besides, the Path Tracing games seem to really good, they are just far and few between and are something to play at a 4070 super or up. So like 1-2 GPU Generations away before they make it into the mainstream and reduce development times. Maybe for the PS6, hopefully with some stacked Cache, which supposed to be in development for APUs right now by AMD.

  • @Crashed131963
    @Crashed131963 3 дня назад +323

    This GTA6 announcement says it all .
    *Speaking to Digital Foundry, IGN asked the experts if Grand Theft Auto 6 would realistically be able to run at 60fps on Sony's mid-generation refresh. Digital Foundry said, “No. Grand Theft Auto games have always run complex simulations that push the CPU hard," adding, "The PS5 Pro uses the same CPU as the PS5, and it would be extremely challenging to hit 60fps if the base PS5 version is targeting 30fps. This isn't a GPU problem, it's a CPU problem.”*

    • @tomaszstarzZz
      @tomaszstarzZz 2 дня назад +27

      That comment won’t age well when you will see a 60FPS option on PSPro 😅
      Sony has very good relationship with Take-Two and that will be marketing pitch for PS5 Pro to be only place to play GTA at 60fps on a console.
      Even if Sony would need to pay them and send them their engineers 😅

    • @Crashed131963
      @Crashed131963 2 дня назад +52

      @@tomaszstarzZz We will see.
      Bloodborne , RDR2 still run at 30fps after the Ps4 Pro and Ps5 came out .
      Does not GTA5 still play at 30fps on a Ps5?

    • @Segaton
      @Segaton 2 дня назад +16

      ​@@tomaszstarzZzperformance mode at 720p

    • @cha0ss0ldier-4
      @cha0ss0ldier-4 2 дня назад +62

      @@tomaszstarzZzthat relationship isn’t gonna magically put a better cpu in the ps5 pro.
      If the engine is cpu bound there is nothing they can do. When gta 6 comes out the cpu in the pro will be 6 years old

    • @TheMa5cmpb
      @TheMa5cmpb 2 дня назад +5

      @@Crashed131963gta5 is 60 fps on ps5

  • @jedediahpelland
    @jedediahpelland 2 дня назад +8

    The PS5 has been around 4 years. They should have dropped the price by $100 and sold the Pro for the current price of a PS5 at $499.

  • @SICK_O
    @SICK_O 3 дня назад +273

    The little curl jiggling at the front of Ralph's hairline is the main thing I'm paying attention to. 🧐

    • @JaiOnline
      @JaiOnline 3 дня назад +25

      I bet that curl jiggling would look better in 8k 😂

    • @DontKnowDontCare6.9
      @DontKnowDontCare6.9 3 дня назад +5

      I understand why its distracting you: 8k texture.

    • @marvinn6044
      @marvinn6044 3 дня назад +2

      I think its trying to break free

    • @errolneal9789
      @errolneal9789 3 дня назад +2

      They jiggling baby, go head baby 😂

    • @NightRogue77
      @NightRogue77 3 дня назад +7

      Great I can’t unsee now

  • @Sponska
    @Sponska 3 дня назад +361

    Expectation: Never having to choose between „Fidelity“ and „Performance“ Mode again
    Reality: Having to choose between „Fidelity Pro“ and „Fidelity“ Mode

    • @alexv5581
      @alexv5581 3 дня назад +15

      You and others are fools to think that. Not even an RTX 4090 does native 4k60 most of the time. Also the performance pro modes pretty much merges fidelity and performance from the base PS5. Fidelity pro modes add even higher fidelity not possible on the base PS5. Quit your bitching.

    • @TamerSpoon3
      @TamerSpoon3 3 дня назад +10

      Actual Expectation: Never having to choose between base PS5 fidelity and Performance Mode ever again.
      Actual Reality: You don't have to choose between base PS5 fidelity and Performance mode while also having an even better fidelity Pro mode.

    • @LeegallyBliindLOL
      @LeegallyBliindLOL 3 дня назад +39

      ​@@alexv5581That's not even remotely true... A 4090 does 4K60 most of the time, no problem. PC settings will always have higher available settings than necessary.

    • @adityaunnava4304
      @adityaunnava4304 3 дня назад +1

      ​@@alexv5581quit your glazing fanboi. Half the stuff you said in your comment is false and you know it. If you don't, you need to take off your fanboi glasses and do some research before spouting bullshit.

    • @cizzymac
      @cizzymac 3 дня назад +36

      @@alexv5581 Speaking as a person that actually owns a 4090: you are OBJECTIVELY wrong.

  • @JR-kx3jr
    @JR-kx3jr 2 дня назад +131

    Problem is if you wait for the PS5 Pro to prove its worth, it still won’t be worth it, because the PS6 will be right around the corner.

    • @L-ananas-De-Fete
      @L-ananas-De-Fete 2 дня назад +24

      Not just that. It's clear that the $700+ price point is too much for the general consumer. You might as well wait for the PS6 to release. PS6 will do everything this console can and more. Most likely at a lower price point, too.

    • @Ay3shizzle
      @Ay3shizzle 2 дня назад +5

      @@L-ananas-De-Feteyeah exactly dude. I’m beyond happy with my og base ps5 with the physical disc slot even if not all games on that console are true 4k and I don’t need the ps5 pro. Ps6 will definitely be more upgraded than ps5 pro and I believe that console will be backwards compatible with ps5 games.

    • @whiskslim237
      @whiskslim237 2 дня назад +1

      Won't see a real jump until PS6 pro honestly. We still only have a handful of PS5 exclusive games.

    • @PlayStationObsession
      @PlayStationObsession 2 дня назад +9

      @@L-ananas-De-Fete PS6 won't come at a lower price point. If the PS5 Pro is anything to go about. It's Sony is planning on going a route similar to Apple. I fear the PS6 will be even more expensive.

    • @Genovoa
      @Genovoa 2 дня назад +1

      If you’re not gonna get the pro because ps6 is gonna be better, are you gonna hold out for ps6 pro or ps7?

  • @seifenspender
    @seifenspender 3 дня назад +26

    This is why we love your coverage Ralph! You always present your views very clearly and have reasonable, balanced takes where the consumer is put first.
    Thank you!

    • @matodion
      @matodion 2 дня назад

      Balanced? the dude just took a shit on xbox for nothing

  • @Nolasco.
    @Nolasco. 3 дня назад +69

    I couldn't agree more with you.
    Even when you lost fidelity when you used performance mode with the vanilla PS5, the games looked and played waaay better, no point in having awesome fidelity when as soon as you start moving everything becomes a blurry mess with 30fps and for the developers that keep pushing fidelity even further and put us players back again at 30fps with the pro unit.......man.....dumb is to put it really mildly tbh. Performance should never go below 60 in my humble opinion.
    Thanks Chillup 👍🏼

    • @mechanicalmonk2020
      @mechanicalmonk2020 3 дня назад

      This is entirely a functioning of how far you sit from the TV

    • @soshady9572
      @soshady9572 3 дня назад +6

      ​@@mechanicalmonk2020no it isn't.
      Playing games at 60 makes playing games at 30 look blurry as hell in motion and adds a clunky feel. It doesn't matter the distance you are sitting.

    • @cwj2733
      @cwj2733 2 дня назад +4

      @@mechanicalmonk2020when will people stop using the distance = game look good. i could sit 3 inches away from 30 and 60 and get a headache from 30; i could also sit 3 meters away and still get a headache from 30. 30 fps is just no longer a viable option. 1080 60 is all im asking for. it’s not that hard

    • @jcaashby3
      @jcaashby3 2 дня назад +1

      @@cwj2733 I am shocked it is not the standard! 30 frames is not something I would EVER want to play.

    • @ThePsylopAt
      @ThePsylopAt 2 дня назад

      That's it, better play a fun shitty looking game that is responsive and snappy that reality at 30fps and blurry it's like needing glasses irl but you can't have them for some reason and the gods would be like yeah that's the way it's meant to be experienced

  • @SuperVedos
    @SuperVedos 2 дня назад +11

    Shout out to the only PS5 pro reviewer that will at least publish in 4k!

  • @CHEFPKR
    @CHEFPKR 3 дня назад +22

    Video games are a hobby I do spend some money on. But this generation (and even last) a gaming PC + Switch gives me access to almost anything I want to play.
    Sure, some releases are time gated (Gow, FF7 etc) but my back catalog is so big I don't notice the release lag.

    • @ABIADAB
      @ABIADAB 2 дня назад +2

      lmao your comment is being copied by a bot with a sexy pfp and got 160+ likes

    • @_holy__ghost
      @_holy__ghost День назад

      ​@@ABIADABi gave that comment a like before i saw this one and now i feel like im losing my mind. what has yt come to man

  • @sakshamsinha4392
    @sakshamsinha4392 3 дня назад +124

    One thing the PS5 Pro is definitely not improving is that new Miles Costume. Good Lord.

    • @Idontknowy2
      @Idontknowy2 2 дня назад

      O Lordy Lordy

    • @dantehedge8414
      @dantehedge8414 2 дня назад

      You don't like that hair? how about we put it everywhere and see if you like it then!

    • @jacob3761
      @jacob3761 2 дня назад +3

      I dunno it’s not that bad but it’s definitely worse than the classic hoodie and sneakers look

    • @maskettaman1488
      @maskettaman1488 2 дня назад

      No matter how you wrap a turd, it's still a turd

    • @Biring1
      @Biring1 2 дня назад +3

      Not improving Uncle Aron´s beats either!

  • @84m30
    @84m30 2 дня назад +28

    I will never understand why the obsession with Raytracing. It’s so incredibly taxing for something relatively minor.

    • @M3RMA1D3N
      @M3RMA1D3N 2 дня назад +4

      I don’t know. It’s pretty transformative when implemented well, and it really helps on the art side too. Lighting is an extraordinarily challenging task for game engines to render convincingly.

    • @84m30
      @84m30 2 дня назад +3

      @ it is awfully pretty and is the future of lighting in games, but until it’s made more efficient, the cost-benefit just isn’t worth it unless you literally have a max investment, several thousand dollar top notch pc, and even then it doesn’t seem to always be worth it.

    • @O-o-Azazel-o-O
      @O-o-Azazel-o-O День назад

      I used to say this until a friend sent me 2 screenshots of the same scene. One was without RT and it was dark and lost detail in the shadows with the depth and mood looking flat. The RT scene popped out instantly and it's not reflections that impress, it's the lighting. It adds so much photorealism and detail especially to darker corners and people's faces. I still think reflections in puddles, windows etc are pointless mostly but ray-traced lighting is a game changer.

    • @m_sedziwoj
      @m_sedziwoj День назад

      @@O-o-Azazel-o-O and in most games change for worst. Because art designers never look at results of RT in game. I try Cyberpunk 2077 Overdrive and it looks worst than normal max settings without RT, maybe more realistic, but worst, as nobody would want realistic physics in Spiderman game, it would crash on every move, even when using only inertia.
      @84m30 from start RT is giving very little if game devs put time in lighting/shadows/reflection, so for you is not worth. But when developing game cost more and more, it would be great, because cut cost of this, and indie studios will deliver better games too. And I think in long term it would create better game, but it would required to game required RT at any settings, as today many games required SSD and this changing how they creating games. I next 6 months we get new Nvidia and AMD GPU with better RT support, and I think next gen consoles would have it as main future too, so then RT would become something what game devs start to focus, but looking at 30fps on consoles... I think it may take more than one generation.

    • @game_boyd1644
      @game_boyd1644 День назад +1

      I'm inclined to say you're right (and you are), but you might shift your stance somewhat if you play cyberpunk with DLSS 3.5 active 😅

  • @cienalmas316
    @cienalmas316 3 дня назад +369

    Skill wears jorts.

    • @SkillUp
      @SkillUp  3 дня назад +344

      Cmon man you gotta let people grow and learn from their mistakes

    • @emiami458
      @emiami458 3 дня назад +1

      ​@@SkillUp I never once in my life wore weird looking clothing and always had nice or pleasant style so it baffles me anyone would ever opt to dress like a clown regardless of their age...

    • @JackVice
      @JackVice 3 дня назад +28

      Somethings just cannot be forgiven... although we appreciate you buying a PS5 pro so we don't need to. Still... jorts...

    • @ClumsySandbocks
      @ClumsySandbocks 3 дня назад +24

      @@SkillUp Jorts are top tier don't listen to the haters

    • @concinnus
      @concinnus 3 дня назад +6

      @@JackVice For someone with an 80s-themed account, you sure don't seem to like the 80s.

  • @leonthesleepy
    @leonthesleepy 2 дня назад +7

    It would have been a hard sell at $700, even WITH the disc drive and a stand. Without those 2 things, its just a Sony trying to see how far can they push pricing.

  • @maxslender4668
    @maxslender4668 2 дня назад +10

    What I find really interesting is that Ralph says that FF7 Rebirth (of which I have not played myself) looked really poor on performance mode on the base PS5 so most people used fidelity mode, which is unusual since the majority of people are playing the majority of their games on performance mode. What makes this especially interesting is that so many commentators/youtubers/reviewers talk about FF7 Rebirth like it is almost a shoe-in for GOTY, which goes to show you that although people SAY they care about performance and graphics and what not, what is more important and what makes a game truly great is the game's gameplay and story. I think there are some developers that need to realise this. You have to have a good game FIRST before you worry about how good your graphics are.

  • @Ramza0
    @Ramza0 2 дня назад +9

    If they just made Bloodborne 4k 60fps I would legitimately buy a ps5 pro solely for that

  • @woahwoah2207
    @woahwoah2207 3 дня назад +106

    If it had a disc drive, a stand and a pro controller, I would get it.

    • @DontKnowDontCare6.9
      @DontKnowDontCare6.9 3 дня назад +15

      And no Concord tax.

    • @timmacdan4623
      @timmacdan4623 3 дня назад

      It actually does have a stand, look at unboxings

    • @brando3342
      @brando3342 3 дня назад +15

      @@timmacdan4623 No no, “it stands”…. But it doesn’t “come with a stand”. Two different things.

    • @MaskDestruction
      @MaskDestruction 3 дня назад +2

      ​@timmacdan4623 it doesn't come with a vertical stand.

    • @666slateran666
      @666slateran666 2 дня назад

      Pay up then

  • @killerapp7612
    @killerapp7612 2 дня назад +4

    Skill Up is absolutely correct. I upgraded from the PS5 to the PRO and the upgrade isn't worth what they're asking for it considering it doesn't come with a disk drive or a $30.00, yes $30.00 stand. Do not buy this if you already own a PS5 or are already gaming on Steam with a decent PC. I'll eat this one for the promise of the future of my favorite gaming company other than Steam. I'm a single player only gamer and I really, really hope they've learned a lesson with Concord. This combined with paid cloud saves. Note: You will have to start all of your PS5 games from the beginning if you do NOT have a monthly Playstation Plus subscription. Sony is treading on thin ice with me because I'll just game on PC.

  • @alexgrey5933
    @alexgrey5933 2 дня назад +21

    As a new PS5 Pro owner, I pretty much agree with everything skillup said but for one thing: the jump in quality in every game using FSR is significant!
    In Dragon's Dogma 2 for example, the visuals are significantly better in person than what the base PS5 delivers (as it is in my opinion very compromised by noise, artifacts, awful frame rate and input latency).

    • @dukeofgotham4311
      @dukeofgotham4311 2 дня назад +5

      Might as well buy a PC at this point…

    • @valentds
      @valentds 2 дня назад +6

      @@dukeofgotham4311 ff7 rebirth is not even on pc and will be shit. dragons dogma 2 also you need a 2000 dollar pc

    • @alexgrey5933
      @alexgrey5933 2 дня назад +8

      ​@@dukeofgotham4311 I am a PC gamer going on 15 years or so and a console experience is fundamentally different to me... But yeah if you are willing to build and maintain a rig, optimize for each game and scratch your head on mostly bad ports (these days) you can get a very decent PC for that price. Nothing that will blow the Pro out of the water or play sony exclusives day one... so for that price point I'd still recommend the pro ! But hey that's just me ;)

    • @Luke973T
      @Luke973T 2 дня назад +1

      ​@alexgrey5933 I agree. I'm happy with pssr. Blurry games on console are disappointing but now my games are crisp like pc. The problem with pc is so many games stutter and ive wasted so much time on settings trying to eliminate them.

    • @Genovoa
      @Genovoa 2 дня назад +2

      I’m also a multi-platform gamer(including PC), and I always laugh at the “PC Master Race” stuff as if everyone is playing all these games on max settings, 4k, RT on at 144 fps. The console experience is just plug and play which is great

  • @CheckChaser-h2x
    @CheckChaser-h2x Час назад +1

    Just got my hands on a PS5 about two years ago , no way I’m selling it to get a Pro already and it’s been working perfectly fine 😂 I’ll wait this gen out until the 6 and get it day one it will make the jump more noticeable for me I feel if I skip the pro if there is indeed a difference 💯👏

  • @itsmatt517
    @itsmatt517 3 дня назад +27

    Console sales are slowing because the base level hardware hasn't dropped in price yet.

    • @greed-1914
      @greed-1914 3 дня назад +9

      This is a factor. Not only did the ps4 pro offer a more noticeable improvement, but it came in at the original ps4 price, while the slim decreased in price. What he says about Sony not being able to afford the price losses now might be true, but I think that would mean they might have been better off not doing a pro this time and really nailing stuff like PSSR for the ps6.

    • @arenkai
      @arenkai 2 дня назад +2

      In fact, it ROSE in price since release.

  • @shivajones108
    @shivajones108 2 дня назад +3

    Rockstar is so quiet about the performance of GTA6, it will be interesting to see it running at 30fps on base PS5s and 45 to 60fps on Pros. Even more interesting to see the reactions of gamers who opted to keep or buy base PS5s post Pro release when that game comes out.

  • @Crashed131963
    @Crashed131963 2 дня назад +2

    Crazy in Canada now. A used Ps5 sells for $550 and a new Ps5pro is $1180 after taxes.
    The Ps5Pro sure in not worth a extra $530 over a base Ps5.
    $1US=$1.30 in Canada.

  • @ejc5105
    @ejc5105 3 дня назад +17

    I don't see myself buying a console ever again. If I'm spending $700, I'm putting that towards a GPU or other computer upgrades. The PS5 Pro looks like a great piece of hardware, but a bad value proposition. I'm focusing all my money on one platform, and that's definitely going to be an open platform like PC

    • @oscaroska7613
      @oscaroska7613 2 дня назад

      Same for pc, any digital hardware will always lose value and dated in a couple of years . The things it depends on, where you like to game,

    • @SubjectE57
      @SubjectE57 2 дня назад +1

      That 9800X3D looking real tempting

  • @krisius1
    @krisius1 2 дня назад +6

    I bought the pro, and I’d have to agree. The upgrade isn’t really noticeable to me. I haven’t tried out my VR2 yet to see if it helps that. Baldurs gate looks a bit better and plays a bit better, but for the most part, it’s just not that big of a jump. I have money, so it isn’t a hit for me, but anyone out there that is on the fence, save your money for a price drop.

  • @jaknauf
    @jaknauf 2 дня назад +2

    I'm with you on the frame rates. I don't care what "sacrifices" a publisher would need to make to have a game they are building to be 60fps, but just do it. I don't care if the explosions are simplified and there are no leaves on trees and no grass. Less NPCs. Just do it. Work within the constraints of the console hardware, but keep the game 60fps. Then maybe the future consoles can focus being built on having 60fps be the minimum for once. I think consoles need to be built more for priority on frames and frame pacing. Graphics can come second.

  • @BilliamTorpedo
    @BilliamTorpedo 3 дня назад +60

    They put racing stripes on an upright stack of printing paper 🔥🔥
    Edit: the PISSR def gonna make this one worth it actually

    • @the_ur3an_myth
      @the_ur3an_myth 3 дня назад +1

      As it was discovered in Top Gear, racing stripes, make you go faster

    • @simonr344
      @simonr344 3 дня назад

      Fellow Max Dood fan?

    • @victory7763
      @victory7763 3 дня назад

      It's PSSRing on the haters lol

  • @BackwardsCombatable
    @BackwardsCombatable 2 дня назад +3

    This is just going to enable shitty devs to limit PS5 to 30 fps and say "if you want 60 go buy a pro" when the base could have done 60 too but they don't want to do that work.

  • @Noxlion28
    @Noxlion28 2 дня назад +2

    Just bought a secondhand PS5 slim for $300. Found a used official Sony disc drive for $50. So I paid $350 for a $500 console. I’m satisfied.

  • @kc-me6wl
    @kc-me6wl 2 дня назад +8

    22:54 shows how skillup knows his stuff- the 2 distinct groups he breaksdown on "people who should buy" vs "those who should not" sums it up perfectly! The traits pretty much summed up why i was in the camp that purchased it!

  • @potatodadave
    @potatodadave 3 дня назад +26

    I love watching reviews of products I will never buy

    • @timmacdan4623
      @timmacdan4623 3 дня назад

      I love watching reviews of products I will buy. Excellent use of time!

  • @Motley14
    @Motley14 2 дня назад +2

    I was a dedicated console gamer for my entire life (30+ years), but slowly made the transition to PC gaming around 2017ish. In 2019 I bought a mid-tier pre-built gaming PC (that's slightly more powerful than a PS4 Pro) and I'm literally watching this video with a tab open on a new gaming PC I'm planning to buy soon. Sure the new PC will be like $1200 more than the PS5 Pro, but I'd rather have that at this point with my Steam library of 250+ games (about a quarter of which I can't play on Max settings yet) than spend $700 for a PS5 Pro. I don't own any current-gen consoles, and I probably won't now if I get a new PC. I use a PC so much so the upgrade, while expensive, will be life-changing meanwhile $700 for one console would not have the same ROI for me. tldr: I'm not a PC master race guy, but Sony and Microsoft are not convincing me to come back to the console market any time soon

  • @sionthelion4568
    @sionthelion4568 2 дня назад +6

    This Pro release is just pushing me more to committing to investing further into PC.
    PS5 already feels like a pro for the ps4 pro because it’s mostly used for ps4 games that end up being locked behind performance and resolution constraints.
    Just wish PC gaming still had physical releases and a better trophy system.

    • @Layla-p2h
      @Layla-p2h День назад +1

      I own a pc yet I still prefer console. I prefer the simplicity, and just how quickly the ps starts up to play a game. Near instant. My pc has to load steam, update a game that can’t be done with pc off and for some games need a 3 minute long shader compiling. Pc Is definitely better, just be aware of how jank pc gaming can be to simply play a game

    • @mikeity2009
      @mikeity2009 19 часов назад

      @@Layla-p2h Steam takes 2 seconds to open, I click on game and I play.
      What kind of braindead 2004 take is this?

  • @4KTV87
    @4KTV87 2 дня назад +3

    Appreciate the video, man. I was about to pull the trigger on a PS5 Pro but I’ve changed my mind.

  • @Crazakun
    @Crazakun 2 дня назад +1

    As someone who is very late to the latest console gen and whose PC was getting long in the tooth, I was holding out for a PS5 Pro. But then the $700 USD ($1200 Australian Dollarydoos) price tag got announced, and it lacks a built-in disc drive meaning I don't even get the benefit of cheap used physical games without forking out another $100+. I then looked at ALL the PS games I wanted to play, and found that only 2 were actually exclusive to the console! Finally, Valve announced that the Steam Deck was officially coming to Australia, and for the price of $1050 AUD, I could get the top end model. The PS5 Pro stood absolutely no chance...

  • @humblebird
    @humblebird 3 дня назад +44

    the most shocking part of this video was hearing that SkillUp decided to upgrade to an iPhone 16 LOL

    • @toml8273
      @toml8273 3 дня назад +4

      From a 13 it's actually a pretty nice upgrade - I did the same jump

    • @humblebird
      @humblebird 2 дня назад

      @ Yeah thats fair enough, I just thought that most people would’ve made the jump to a 15 pro/max since its more or less the same thing but at a more reasonable price point, but thats just my opinion (and not rooted in any statistics)

    • @bobkontrolololuje8618
      @bobkontrolololuje8618 2 дня назад +1

      If you take photos it’s worth it from like a 12

    • @shinkicker404
      @shinkicker404 2 дня назад

      *me on an iPhone 11 Pro*
      uh… I should probably upgrade one day. Eventually.

    • @SirQuantization
      @SirQuantization 2 дня назад

      @@shinkicker404 I upgraded from a 6 to 13 recently and whilst it’s better it isn’t life changing at all.

  • @DYkim0307
    @DYkim0307 3 дня назад +24

    I seriously don’t think people specifically notice better graphics when playing a game. Plz tell me who tf would buy a overpriced console for better trees and more cars in the background😭😭🙏🙏

    • @speedforce8970
      @speedforce8970 3 дня назад +3

      People will buy it for better image quality though. Many of these games don't look great on a TV at performance mode due to a lower resolution. PSSR has a pretty good resolve and it's only gonna get better so if you only care about image quality, it's a viable option

    • @jesse1086
      @jesse1086 3 дня назад +3

      Because PC owners spend 3 times that just to numo from a 3090 to a 4090

    • @666slateran666
      @666slateran666 2 дня назад +2

      4k 60fps is something people have been begging for. Now we have it and everyone's complaining

    • @MatrixAlphaCWX
      @MatrixAlphaCWX 2 дня назад +4

      @@666slateran666It’s. It still not native 4K 60. It’s upscaled.

    • @Tech-is1xy
      @Tech-is1xy 14 часов назад +1

      @@MatrixAlphaCWX If the final image looks close enough to native 4k, why on earth would you care if it's been upscaled?

  • @fizzyshellfish5439
    @fizzyshellfish5439 19 часов назад +1

    Not sure where the controversy is. On the PS5 Pro you can play many games in "Resolution" mode at 60FPS. Before the Pro, Resolution mode was 30FPS. How is that not a big jump in performance? You can debate whether it's worth $700, but it's a definite jump in quality and graphic fidelity and player experience. I cannot stand 30FPS.

  • @Spidi__PL
    @Spidi__PL 3 дня назад +73

    FUN FACT: Silent Hill 2 looks worse on pro because PSSR reflections there are far more artifacted, but that's probably on devs not on Sony.

    • @HolySok
      @HolySok 3 дня назад +18

      It's unconfirmed what's going on there. There's no official word whether it's actually the Pro Enchanced Patch or just a bug. It says "Pro Enhanced" in the PS Store but the game itself hasn't been patched and no official word from Bloober

    • @vinniethegreat9645
      @vinniethegreat9645 3 дня назад +11

      Fun fact Silent Hill 2 hasn't been patched for the PRO yet so it's not using PSSR.

    • @Spidi__PL
      @Spidi__PL 3 дня назад +1

      @@vinniethegreat9645 its officially labeled as enchanced in store

    • @vinniethegreat9645
      @vinniethegreat9645 3 дня назад +2

      @@Spidi__PLit might be labeled but they still haven’t patched it.

    • @Gadtkaz
      @Gadtkaz 3 дня назад +2

      This is a problem on pc too using dlss. Rt reflections run at 30%-50% display resolution, knock that down further using an upscaler and anything below 4k upscaling gets a lot of artifacts.

  • @ianperesmusic
    @ianperesmusic 3 дня назад +11

    The PS5 Pro announcement gave me the kick up the ass I needed to just throw down for a gaming PC. Got an AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D / RTX 4080 Super build on the way. Can't wait. Thanks Sony!

    • @Nucleosynthese
      @Nucleosynthese 2 дня назад +1

      Wow that's a seriously nice setup. Enjoy!

    • @tehCostHD
      @tehCostHD 2 дня назад +12

      Bro said “700 dollar console? Yeah right! Let me buy a 1800 dollar pc instead!!!”🤦‍♂️

    • @Nucleosynthese
      @Nucleosynthese 2 дня назад +5

      @@tehCostHD I get him, because it is actually noticeably better instead of a marginal upgrade. Plus you get the extra freedom, more games, more controller options etc.

    • @SubjectE57
      @SubjectE57 2 дня назад +1

      If you have any extra money, you should get one of the new high-refresh-rate OLED monitors; they are actually amazing.

    • @ianperesmusic
      @ianperesmusic 2 дня назад +1

      @@SubjectE57I'd been seeing on reddit a lot that a lot of people were happy with their LG C4 42" TV's. I was thinking of getting that? I've had a 77" C1 in the living room since 2021 and have loved it for gaming

  • @FromSoftwareStan
    @FromSoftwareStan 2 дня назад +2

    This was the exact same conversation people were having when the next gen consoles launched. A premium option for those that want absolutely the best right now but not nearly worth the upgrade and theirs debate as to whether or not they are worth it now. I personally don't think there is enough exclusives to justify these consoles, but I can see why more casual gamers do. Here it's almost the opposite as the ps5 pro won't be very appealing to the vast majority of people but for the people that must have the best (even if it's negligible) this is a nice option for 700$. You would be hard pressed to beat the pro for that amount of money if you're building a pc. Also, that GeForce now plug was very nice and is actually a very good option for a lot of people. Play the games you already own on game pass or steam using Nvidia's high end chips.

  • @vinny9500
    @vinny9500 3 дня назад +10

    Aye love the Bridges shirt for the Death Stranding anniversary. Kojima productions actually bought the Death Stranding IP from Sony and just released it on Xbox.

    • @icravedeath.1200
      @icravedeath.1200 3 дня назад

      I feel like Microsoft should've pushed that more, like put it on game pass and stuff like that.
      They had a golden opportunity to moon PlayStation like they did when they bragged about purchasing Activision and obtained the rights to crash and spyro😂😂
      They had a golden opportunity to have a dig at Sony while strengthening their relationship with kojipro and they dropped the fucking ball😭😭
      At least it's the directors cut version that has all the fancy graphical upgrades and half life and CP2077 content, so that's pretty fuckin neat❤❤.

    • @Leffi3
      @Leffi3 2 дня назад +2

      Just watch the documentary from Kojima and you will see both xbox and PlayStation among others have tried offering Kojima absurd amounts of money, but he wants to stay independent and don’t blame him since joining the big guys is not something anyone should do unless they have financial issues

    • @icravedeath.1200
      @icravedeath.1200 2 дня назад

      @@Leffi3 I didn't mean it as in Xbox purchasing them, I meant it as in then throwing kojima a bone while profiting from game sales and game pass.
      Nice to see them promoting it on the home menu though.

    • @Leffi3
      @Leffi3 2 дня назад +1

      @@icravedeath.1200 Death Stranding was on pc gamepass a while back and i have a feeling they didn’t make enough money to justify putting the Director’s Cut on there

    • @icravedeath.1200
      @icravedeath.1200 2 дня назад +1

      @@Leffi3 oh okay, the front page promo is still neat though.

  • @szogyenyi
    @szogyenyi 2 дня назад +8

    if anyone wonders, song name at 1:30 is ADELYN PAIK - Sleepy Tiger (Instrumental Version)

    • @charger2501
      @charger2501 День назад

      Ok no lie I assumed it was some version of Ludacris who let these hoe's in my room

  • @OceansideSpiderHouse
    @OceansideSpiderHouse 2 дня назад +2

    I think what’s most interesting to me is that the games for the PS5 are largely experiences available on the PS4-if not a direct port, then a game remarkably similar, such as your standard open world adventure game. Marginal graphical fidelity and arguably a circumstantial improvement to frame rates is all this generation has to show for itself, despite having the steepest price tag in the industry’s history. Without say, a technological leap in rendered physics, new possibilities for narrative structure, or never before seen gimmicks, what exactly is the point? Higher framerates for games that were enjoyable in their past iteration? I truly don’t see where the hype is at.

  • @Crashed131963
    @Crashed131963 3 дня назад +14

    When the true Ps5Pro spec sheet came out two surprises happen.
    The Pro has the same 3.5ghz cpu , it does not have a 3.8ghz boost cpu.
    The Ps5 Pro moved from 10.3 teraflops to 16 not to 32 teraflops .

    • @krisztiantoth5037
      @krisztiantoth5037 2 дня назад +4

      The reason it moved from 10 to 16 not to 32 is that the GPU in the Pro does not support the dual issue FP32 calculations introduced in AMDs RDNA3 architecture, but it does not affect gaming performance. If it supported the dual issue FP32, then technically it would have 32 Tflops but the actual performance would have been the same.

    • @johanmelis12
      @johanmelis12 2 дня назад +2

      It does have a 3,85ghz cpu

    • @Crashed131963
      @Crashed131963 День назад

      @@johanmelis12 Look at the official spec sheet in the Ps5 pros shipping box.
      People thought it was going to have a 3.8ghz boost but it does not .
      They also thought it was going to have 32 teraflops not 16.

    • @johanmelis12
      @johanmelis12 День назад

      @ yet all the games that are cpu limited on the base ps5 run 10% better

    • @Crashed131963
      @Crashed131963 День назад +1

      @@johanmelis12 But a base Ps5 cost $450 and 10% more is $495 not $700.

  • @Vaffi
    @Vaffi 3 дня назад +11

    Who else got distracted by his hair jiggling around ?
    Damnit, Ralph. Your hair is fabulous, but now I have to watch half of the video again

  • @pivorocks
    @pivorocks 2 дня назад +2

    “Don’t buy a product on promises of what it will do, buy on what it does now” -MKBHD

  • @udaysingh-wr2kw
    @udaysingh-wr2kw 2 дня назад +4

    I think k u should have pointed out the fact that even though cloud gaming is accessible it requires a really good connection to play games on highest settings so that u can stream 4k . And u will also have the issue of latency , lag and lack of ownership etc.

  • @Dwavenhobble
    @Dwavenhobble 3 дня назад +16

    Gotta love the 5:17 special guest appearance from Skill Up's pet moth, likely coming from his wallet after broketober.

  • @RoryStarr
    @RoryStarr 2 дня назад +2

    What really hampers the console is that the original PS5 is just an excellent console. It already did so much and did it pretty well for the price point.

  • @hokuhikene
    @hokuhikene 3 дня назад +5

    I am currently building a mid tier gaming PC as a direct result of the PS5 pro announcement 😅 15 years primarily a console gamer. After that I had no excuse anymore. My brother helps me with building. It is hard to switch, but I think it is worth making the jump now.

  • @bradyphillips1995
    @bradyphillips1995 3 дня назад +5

    Your office looks like it's got some overhauls done, we gotta get a tour

  • @ramonterrell1897
    @ramonterrell1897 17 часов назад +1

    I say this as someone who owns a PC more powerful than the Pro and a base PS5 with no need or intention to buy a Pro; I would rather play games on a Pro than an $800 PC.

  • @JONATHANP1619
    @JONATHANP1619 2 дня назад +6

    As gamers we should all sit down and decide if we peaked in visuals in gaming. I would gladly accept a game that prioritse artstyle over graphic to shed at least 1 or 2 years of development on every game. Studios are now pushing gaming visual to a limit the gaming community never asked for.

  • @Bask3tChase
    @Bask3tChase 3 дня назад +9

    Lighting a dollar on fire and filming it in 4K would be the best review for the PS5 Pro.

    • @cwavygaming6615
      @cwavygaming6615 2 дня назад

      😂😂 man BIG FACTS people dying for this ps pro are so goofy

  • @MightyManotaur22
    @MightyManotaur22 2 дня назад +1

    10:19 This is exactly what I assumed would happen. We're not going to get amazing looking games running at 60 fps, we're going to get slightly even more amazing games running at 30 fps. Devs/publishers will always chase graphics over framerate and that arms race will always exist with fidelity as the end goal. It's so frustrating.

  • @ROKUSHAKUBOJUTSU
    @ROKUSHAKUBOJUTSU 2 дня назад +5

    I have the expendable income and I only game on PS5 so I got the pro. FF7R is night and day better, and it’s nice knowing that I’ll get the best gaming performance moving forward. I only jump to new gen when my mainstay games get upgrades so the pro will last me ages. Really happy with it.

  • @thedarkness6652
    @thedarkness6652 2 дня назад +3

    The subtext is clear. Buy a fucking PC and you will have everything you ever wanted.

    • @Layla-p2h
      @Layla-p2h День назад

      Yeah I own a pc, still getting the pro. Pc Is definitely better I just prefer the simplify of console after a long day

  • @BojanMarkovic-u5w
    @BojanMarkovic-u5w День назад +2

    Not including the optical drive at that price point, and then having the gall to call it "Pro" makes it a huge NO for me.

  • @GG-sx4gi
    @GG-sx4gi 2 дня назад +9

    19:41 Yes, you can build yourself a very decent PC for $800 and, as you said, it might not be a bad way to go. However, let's not forget the fact that many PC ports these days are poorly optimized. Sometimes they are eventually patched to run less dogsh*t but often times they aren't.

    • @M3RMA1D3N
      @M3RMA1D3N 2 дня назад +1

      You can definitely build something that will run, but at Pro settings and fidelity? Eh. It’s not something I’d personally go for. I’d want at least 1500$ for a build these days, possibly more. It sucks, because I vastly prefer PC gaming, but the prices and my financial situation have not been super conducive to keeping abreast of new graphical advances.

    • @jd2792
      @jd2792 2 дня назад

      most pc ports are fine today the bad ports that dont get fix dont even reach the double digits

    • @RockoBam1
      @RockoBam1 2 дня назад

      ​@jd2792 that's hilariously untrue and I've a 4090. PC ports are pretty terrible.

    • @mikeity2009
      @mikeity2009 19 часов назад

      @@RockoBam1 Acting like console games don't run even worse, 30fps. Terrible Upscaling. Gross.

    • @RockoBam1
      @RockoBam1 18 часов назад

      @mikeity2009 console games are often far more stable and the price to performance can't be matched. 95% of pc players play at a 2013 resolution of 1080p and use upscaling. The steam gpu charts clearly show most pc gamers have terrible pcs that are only capable of 1080p. The closest to a 4k gpu is the 4090 and even then you've to upscale plenty of titles to get a good frame rate. It doesn't help that half the companies these days use the pretty terrible UE5.

  • @aledantih6524
    @aledantih6524 3 дня назад +8

    I don't own a Pro but I just want to say on your PSSR segment saying the delta between Quality and Performance modes was very small is definitely a personal thing because, even though I run games in performance 90% of the time, I am always disappointed by the hit the overall image takes, especially with the amount of post processing effects consoles seem to suffer from.

    • @lintendo100
      @lintendo100 3 дня назад +2

      Exactly why I got a Pro. I got a very large screen (110”) and the difference is very noticeable.

    • @aledantih6524
      @aledantih6524 3 дня назад +1

      @lintendo100 that's what's tempting me. I have a 4K, 120hz TV but I feel like I never really see the benefits of it with the base PS5.

    • @Brytech1216
      @Brytech1216 3 дня назад +1

      @@aledantih6524the games look a lot better on big screens in the pro modes. Even base ps5 games without enhancements get a nice upgrade especially if they use dynamic resolution scaling.

    • @meek6119
      @meek6119 3 дня назад +1

      I also feel like the enhanced version of FF7 Rebirth kinda destroys the argument that the difference is negligible.

    • @Brytech1216
      @Brytech1216 3 дня назад +1

      @@meek6119 completely agree, I really think it’s just group hate towards the pro. It’s a 280 upgrade if you got the base ps5 disc. That’s like nothing compared to getting a new gpu upgrade.

  • @pulsevzero
    @pulsevzero 2 дня назад +2

    The mindset of going to the extreme on visuals for 30fps desperately needs to be a thing of the past. We aren’t getting significant jumps in quality between generations like PS2-3 or 3-4 anymore. I don’t understand why every dev is so obsessed with making some minuscule 8k modes or some needless 120 fps modes. These are consoles. Treat them as such and stop trying to make these major compromises for something that will never be a PC at these price points. 60fps should be the standard for these games at this point. This should have been the generation to make that the standard but yet here we are still making major compromises on the base consoles.

  • @seyahtan24
    @seyahtan24 3 дня назад +13

    If you have the OG PS5 and a beefy gaming PC, this ain't worth it.

    • @Yuri-xx2gi
      @Yuri-xx2gi 3 дня назад

      *or, if you have a base you don't need one, and If you have a beefy Pc, you don't need anything else

    • @TheSoxor123
      @TheSoxor123 3 дня назад +1

      I fall into this category, but I decided to get a Pro. If you think about it, the difference in price from the Pro and the base model is about 300 to 350 USD maybe. There is no upgrade I can for my PC that will give me the same uplift the Pro does for the base PS5 for that same price.

    • @Leffi3
      @Leffi3 2 дня назад +1

      I got og ps5 and a beefy pc actually impressed with the ps5 pro so og ps5 is going to someone else who needs it

    • @cwj2733
      @cwj2733 2 дня назад

      @@TheSoxor123yes there is lol??? go from a 3090 to a 4080. there’s ur money

    • @M3RMA1D3N
      @M3RMA1D3N 2 дня назад

      If I had a beefy gaming PC I wouldn’t have a PS5!

  • @Arcademan09
    @Arcademan09 2 дня назад +3

    All this power and developers still cant reach 60fps because they flood the screen with tons of crap no one wants or needs

  • @PartStupid
    @PartStupid 2 дня назад +1

    10:30 - I don't think that is dumb as there are consumers like me who don't mind 30-40 fps and prefer the best quality image. I think people who prefer high frame rates simply underestimate how many of us don't really notice a big difference (I think it comes down to what we focus on most when playing). That said I of course would prefer higher frame rates and high fidelity but I usually go for the best looking I can get that is still 30fps or above.

  • @farcelona24
    @farcelona24 2 дня назад +6

    I respectfully disagree with you about there not being a significant difference in fidelity between performance and fidelity mode. I like you have been mostly playing on the performance mode on all the games since it was released and like you I agree the image quality is mostly very good, but I recently upgraded to a vrr tv which enabled me to take advantage of the 40fps balanced modes and honestly it's like playing a different game. There is so much extra detail in the games that just isn't resolved at half the resolution and it's so impressive just giving an extra level of immersion, so it's just not accurate to suggest there is not much difference between the modes. Just for transparency I'm also pretty sure that with Horizon Forbidden West and Zero Dawn they just added in the old modes that were on the base model and renamed them without any additional enhancements.

    • @Optim121
      @Optim121 2 дня назад +1

      Wait till you get a PC

    • @Luke973T
      @Luke973T 2 дня назад

      I agree

    • @Luke973T
      @Luke973T 2 дня назад

      ​@@Optim121 i have a 3070 and they aren't wrong. I question if skill up even tried to pro on a vrr display because I've noticed a big difference in improvement.

    • @M3RMA1D3N
      @M3RMA1D3N 2 дня назад

      I agree with this.

    • @Optim121
      @Optim121 2 дня назад

      @Luke973T a 3070 and any modern cpu will be better than a pro considering the horrid bottleneck the ps5 pro has in cpu. So yes, they are wrong

  • @perfidious333
    @perfidious333 3 дня назад +18

    The best way to play PS4

    • @fiel81
      @fiel81 3 дня назад +8

      Funny and sorta true also

    • @TsunamiWombat
      @TsunamiWombat 2 дня назад +3

      underrated comment

    • @Crimsongz
      @Crimsongz 2 дня назад +2

      The sad thing the hardware being limited by artificial resolution and fps lock in compatibility mode.

  • @Sangelothi
    @Sangelothi 2 дня назад +2

    I feel like Sony missed the opportunity to show performance boost for splitscreen games, like I'd be better "sold" on seeing CoD zombies or Borderlands with more steady framerate. Cold War's Outbreak, or Lego Fortnite, comes to mind. Love playing those with my daughter, but the performance is not steady. Couch multi-player was really special to consoles, and I think it's overlooked nowadays

  • @kavinr3853
    @kavinr3853 3 дня назад +11

    10:45 🤣LMAO Finally someone talking about this

    • @HeyTarnished
      @HeyTarnished 2 дня назад

      He’s wrong, he only mentioned Horizon Forbidden West’s Pro Fidelity mode which isn’t good compared to other modes, and then he tried to make it seem like there shouldn’t be such an option, a game like Spider Man 2 has a Pro Fidelity which does add multiple RT effects while running at higher base resolution, which is a worthy choice over a 60 FPS mode for me, why not push more experimental features at 30 FPS? It’s A-OK for me, you guys act like 30 FPS is bad somehow when it was always OK. You also have Alan Wake 2 which adds Ray traced reflections with better overall graphical quality.

  • @sc1on
    @sc1on 2 дня назад +4

    I gave up on consoles after borrowing my PS3 to the wrong person when i was still a kid many years ago.
    After that, I dived into PC gaming, but couldn’t afford myself a rig until this current year. Safe to say my new system is powerful enough to mirror the PS5 Pro in terms of performance.
    Consoles are stuck on a specific hardware and you cannot replace their parts when they start aging.
    A desktop PC is fully customisable and easily upgradable. And tbh it’s really fun to build one from scratch; it made me proud of myself, getting everything working flawlessly on first try is really something else.

  • @m1ll1on4r3
    @m1ll1on4r3 2 дня назад +1

    Here in Germany the disk drive for the ps 5 is out of stock. You can buy new ones from eBay or other online shops for around 335 € ! For the disk drive ! The PS 5 costs 800 € incl. tax., 335 € ( currently ) for the disk drive and 30 € for the stand = 1.165 € total for the system 🤯

  • @bradleywoods1999
    @bradleywoods1999 2 дня назад +3

    Sony seems to be floundering a lot lately

  • @lavantz345
    @lavantz345 2 дня назад +3

    PS5 Pro is easily Sony's worst mainstream console offering ever. The value is just awful

  • @DemiTruck
    @DemiTruck 2 дня назад +1

    I know it's not your style, but a gaming setup tour would be much appreciated for those of us who's planning on switching to PC. I love the simplicity of consoles and not having to catch up to the latest and hottest hardware. Still love the plug n play nature.

  • @Never_Wr0ng
    @Never_Wr0ng 3 дня назад +8

    Pro version of this review When ??

    • @concinnus
      @concinnus 3 дня назад

      Just wait for RUclips to finish the 8K encode.

  • @Solidsnake724
    @Solidsnake724 2 дня назад +3

    So your saying Playstation is making their brand irrelevant by releasing games on PC? Go figure.

  • @irving_a3445
    @irving_a3445 16 часов назад

    0:19 "Ohh, how interesting, though unusual from him!"
    Few sec later: "DAMMIT" *slams table*
    For real, I thank you a lot for your perspective and insight. As much as I like to dive into the technical aspects of games, it's always good to take the bigger picture into account.

  • @c.daubz.5386
    @c.daubz.5386 3 дня назад +4

    3:11 it’s more 🐂💩 Sony marketing‼️

  • @Andrii_Karpenko
    @Andrii_Karpenko 2 дня назад +5

    What a letdown of a video, just to farm engagement, no point, no clear thought, just nothing - with an advice to watch digital foundry, what’s the point?

    • @trentonscism
      @trentonscism 2 дня назад +1

      He always just aggregates the consensus on twitter and Reddit and then barfs it out on RUclips.

  • @MaxMiller94
    @MaxMiller94 2 дня назад +1

    Gonna second your GeForce Now recommendation. I picked up CP77 a couple months back and play it on my high end, $3.5K gaming rig and via streaming on my tablet... It plays better on the tablet. I was even staying up in the mountains and streaming it at full fat settings, full ray tracing, with zero input lag and no frame drops or resolution drops.

  • @baseddepartment9656
    @baseddepartment9656 2 дня назад +1

    The 4090 absolutely can max out settings, including path tracing, and deliver stable 60FPS at native 4K with no upscaling. That's the entire value proposition to make the insane price tag worth it. It can't hit the 120FPS shown here, but that's a great experience by any sane standards. I know because that's how I played Cyberpunk 2077 for around 100 hours.

    • @shebeski
      @shebeski 2 дня назад +1

      It needs upscaling for path tracing at 4k.

  • @nikolowolokin
    @nikolowolokin 2 дня назад +2

    This console generation feels like its still in its infancy stage. Remember all the heat that came out during the xbox one and ps4 era in the same timeframe that we're at now? Idk why but it feels like we're not making much progress in this generation, games still target 30 fps in 2024? Let alone 60 fps, that shouldn't even be acceptable nowadays lmfao.
    4k, 8k, and raytracing really are some bullshit. 1440p 120fps is what these consoles should be targetting.

    • @MatrixAlphaCWX
      @MatrixAlphaCWX 2 дня назад +2

      120hz looks like crap. It drops the resolution the higher hz you go, Native 4K60 is what we need to be going for as standard.

    • @mikeity2009
      @mikeity2009 19 часов назад

      @@MatrixAlphaCWX That's not how refresh rate works my guy.
      1440p 120 is way better than 4k 60. 60fps feels like ass.

  • @modestyblaise4167
    @modestyblaise4167 2 дня назад +1

    As this channel (and Ralph) focuses on PC gaming, I want to ask a couple of questions:
    1. If you were to buy/build a new PC today, would it total less than $700?
    2. Would you be OK with an AMD GPU with FSR rather than an Nvidia one with DLSS?
    3. Would it include an optical drive?
    If you answered ‘no’, the PS5 Pro would be the console equivalent.
    Regarding price, if you want a decent PC, spending $450 isn’t going to cut it, right? Is $700? Probably not. But the PS5 Pro is too expensive, right???

  • @gtox11
    @gtox11 2 дня назад +1

    This is specifically why I am against games with "realistic graphics" because it makes it feel mandatory to always be pushing the highest possible graphics and everything else suffers. You don't see people saying "omg man, did you see Cult of the Lamb with the newest ray tracing! wow!" Shiny floors and seeing each individual pore in a character's face does not make a game better. Stylized graphics = cheaper to produce, better for the consumer's wallet, and your game won't feel dated in 5 years. But then again the AAA market has to somehow validate that $70 - $300 price tag.
    Indie/AA > AAA

  • @OfficialSNMvids
    @OfficialSNMvids 2 дня назад +2

    Great review and agreed with everything you said at your final conclusion of the PS5 Pro. I was not planning on buying one until maybe sometime next year, but my brother bought one for me as a early Christmas gift and after posting this comment I am about to do my unboxing and test it out for myself :)

  • @dave93x
    @dave93x 2 дня назад +2

    Proper HDMI 2.1 TVs are still quite few and far between. Going for 8K right now is just ridiculous. Let's get 4K 60 as standard nailed down first. We're years away (maybe even halfway into PS6) from this being universal, base, default.

  • @Freak80MC
    @Freak80MC 2 дня назад +2

    It's funny to me how PC gaming is so cheap BECAUSE it's all digital with steam but console gaming, you end up more expensive by going all-digital.

  • @jawsofwar
    @jawsofwar 2 дня назад +1

    Biggest issue is stand and disc drive not included because pro is going to be for hardcore fans who more than likely have physical copies of games. So it isn’t really 700 it is over 800 US dollars and way more like Skillups country of Australia.

  • @dharmaboyN7
    @dharmaboyN7 2 дня назад +1

    Great vid/review, as per usual, Ralph! Always appreciate your "big picture" takes on the industry. This wasn't just a great console review, it was an interesting analysis of the gaming industry today. Thank you!

  • @aliali-ce3yf
    @aliali-ce3yf 2 дня назад +1

    at this point, it makes the most sense to build a gaming PC. everyone needs/uses a PC anyway - at minimum, an off the shelf decent PC will cost about $500. If you buy a PS Pro its $700. that's a total of $1200. instead you can build a very good gaming PC for $1200
    plus with a gaming PC , you can still play PS games and you can use gamepass.