Project Cybersyn and Military Fridges: Citation Needed 4x02
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2016
- We're off to the Left Bit of Bottom America (thanks Matt), to Chile, and to a socialist scheme to bring a computer revolution decades early. Just one problem: people.
UPDATE: There were several jokes in here about the 1973 Chilean coup. Those jokes crossed a line, and were offensive to Chilean folks. If we'd have known the full context of the coup, which we didn't in the rush of filming, we wouldn't have made them. The fault lies solely with me as the editor: I should have fact-checked and understood the context before publishing. I try to make sure the series is suitable for all, and in this case it's fair to say I got the balance wrong. I'm sorry.
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TOM is at tomscott.com or @tomscott on Twitter
MATT is at mattg.co.uk or @unnamedculprit
GARY is @garybrannan on Twitter
and CHRIS doesn't do this social media nonsense.
It looks like Google forgot about the pinned comment I left here, so: there are several jokes in here about the 1973 Chilean coup. Those jokes crossed a line, and were offensive to Chilean folks. If we'd have known the full context of the coup, which we didn't in the rush of filming, we wouldn't have made them. The fault lies solely with me as the editor: I should have fact-checked and understood the context before publishing. I try to make sure the series is suitable for all, and in this case it's fair to say I got the balance wrong. I'm sorry.
Might want to mention it was a CIA-backed coup real quick as well.
@@Epsomgwtfbbq well yes, but everything was backed in those days. Allende won with Soviet and Cuban backing.
The other problem is that Scants are just underwear
No, that's not a problem at all. I would have said you seemed aware as it was being filmed that they were dark jokes and when Chris says "jokes about coups and South America and coups in that era? Seems dubious" it is all handled perfectly. You've done the right thing with this comment, but you didn't need to, if that makes sense.
Just wanted to say that I've been rewatching your videos over this boring summer and have noticed pinned corrections on a lot of them from about a month ago.
I really admire you for going back through all of these and admitting to and sourcing errors and percieved wrongs. I wish more people had the integrity to do that sort of thing, myself included.
"It just says 'Death', whatever I press"
I see it's running Windows 8
*laughing too much to hit the like button*
no it's running a terminal-only install of CentOS Linux
*L I N U X J O K E S*
Windows XP right now
I wonder what Microsoft Bob would have said.
Vista*
I swear, "Chile is far left of bottom America" is my absolute favourite phrase on this channel
*Panthers*
Well I guess you can cross Chile off the list of countries to offend, and return to bagging the French again next time.
At least for a couple of weeks...
The wheel spins…
...and lands on France.
@@harryscorah2091 it is not a wheel. Its an arrow
@@PiCkUpdkWE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THIS! It is NOT a wheel, it is just a piece of cardboard with "FRANCE" written on it1
Those moments when Tom has clearly lost control of the situation and is just like "Project Cybersyn, gentlemen" make my day every time
"For those just tuning in" Tom who tunes into a youtube video half way through?
Do have a look at the bonus clip in the description…!
+Tom Scott Who are the chaps trying to bring the TV experience back to youtube?
+Tom Scott wow I'm in sync ha
+Tom Williams Productions Well it's already a fan-produced version of Just a Minute...QI... I like the "meta". A new old type show on an old site within the new media...
I do.
Occasionally.
damn, chile was working on a star trek future and the US was like "we prefer star wars : )"
How dare you, Tom, claim that us Chileans don't actually have robotics death pigeons controlled by the government!
Mical wasn't la dictadura militar matandonos en la epoca de los 70's
Ah, that's the nationality they picked to offend this episode
"Coo" D'etat
controlling* the government
We had, but when the DINA was instaurated
"Basically a tech startup" - I think that's unfair. With most tech startups, it's their own fault that they fail, while this project got killed by external forces.
Quite literally sadly.
The problem with socialist governments is that they have a lot of unhappy people. And unhappy people are very likely to rebel. Maybe they should have focused on general welfare instead of ideological purity.
@@brainletmong6302 allende was elected democratically but was kileld by the CIA. maybe look into stuff before you speak. the chilean coup was a tragedy for Chile
@@brainletmong6302 in truth it was a military coup, they did do a lot for the workers as well keep that in mind. Pinochet wasn't some rural fellow dissatisfied with the government, he was a major part of the Chilean military and coordinated with the CIA to undermine their own government. Most of these coups in SA were held up by US support and supplies.
@@PermadeathHD also, one of the key developments that kickstarted the coup was the fact that the socialist coalition that backed the government got even more seats at the 1973 legislative elections than in 1969, even with an inflationary crisis. For the coup planners, this was interpreted as that any chances to end the Allende government by electoral means were futile.
Happy birthday to you
Here's a military coup
You've 5 minutes to leave
And your family too
SuneEnough
in the german wikipedia it says: Pinochet war am 11. September 1973 maßgeblich an dem von den USA geförderten Militärputsch gegen den demokratisch gewählten marxistisch-sozialistischen Präsidenten Salvador Allende beteiligt. You don't have to understand everything, but gefördert means supported and putsch means coup. Seeing the date, one might consider the writing of some new verses, that change the coup for the airplane. That would be very rude, but the original was too.
Always love a good Gary Brannan rhyme.
Laura Ireson he is everyone’s favorite one
This is an okay haicoo
@@christopherbrooke2142 not a haiku. a haiku's 5-7-5 syllables
I'm from Chile! can't believe my little country showed up in your conversation!
Question is the name a coincidence or was it named after the food it looks like
Coincidence. In fact in Chile (and in Perú and Bolivia from what I know) we call that plant "Ají". In fact I think there's an specific chilean variety of Ají, called "cacho de cabra" = Goats horns . From What I know Chile comes from the aymara word Chilli which means "the farthest place of the world"
Luis Salas Lastra THE MORE YOU KNOW
I can't believe the king of Chile watches Tom Scott
@@kimgkomg oh! Sorry!, it does sounds like I'm saying that XD. I'm from Chile, I do not own it. But I think you must be joking though 😆
1:11 6:10 8:45 Matt Gray says "America" x3 - all using different voices! Found it interesting.
I just want to know what could've been, both for Chile and the world if this project hadn't been unjustly shutdown in the coup. There was so much promise here in the few years it operated, and with modern computing power and decades to streamline the actual system Chile and South America could very well have become a truly independent economy.
Of course instead they got bombed, had leaders and civilians killed, and years of the brutal government of Pinochet. All because they were becoming too independent.
Communist, eh?
knowing the history of chile this episode is super dark, but fairly understandable to not know
This is at least some education on that bit of it, and how a bastard like Augusto Pinochet ended up being helped into power in the supposed name of democracy... simply because the US had it in for any socialist country, regardless of whether they were tinpot dictatorships or actually well run.
ChaosSwissroIl said the USA, resulting in the deaths of thousands via hostile right-wing coups.
@@ChaosSwissroIl
Allende wasn't communist
@@MattieSheldonTheRUclipsr
Classic reactionary double-think. It's okay to use brutal suppression towards commies to counter their supposed nrutal suppression.
@@MattieSheldonTheRUclipsr 2 million in Indonesia alone.
One of the best Citation Neededs ever! Dying of laughter the entire way through!
"The far left of bottom America, right?" just absolutely nailed it.
And today I learned that Gary has a surprisingly lovely singing voice.
I can do some AMAZING Tony Christie songs on kareoke. Seriously, check out 'The Avenues and Alleyways', I can totally belt that out after a few stouts.
As an American from the south, I can confirm him saying "The south" is done in a correct accent
I've finally realisef why Chris reminds me of Bill Bailey, and it's not the looks. It's how he remembers those tiny little facts your geography teacher might have once told you
is the a mystery biscuits sound file somewhere that i can use as a text notification
I never use my phone but that'd be awesome
+BananamanDan Ooh, I second this.
Thirded!
Yes, that would be amazing.
+BananamanDan Asked a while ago, seems not.
"Voodoo chile" is what the people in the "Sayouth" cook at their Louisiana barbecues.
+David Buschhorn and what is "Voodoo child (slight return)", then? :-D
+Václav Fejt Them mispronouncing "Voodoo Chile".
+Václav Fejt Voodoo child is a Jimi Hendrix song.
Allende was awesome and so was Cybersyn ;-(
I don’t know if Allende was awesome, but Pinochet certainly sucked a lot.
I mean even with the US using economic embargoes to strangle Chile into submission and internal sabotage from the Chilean elite, saying Allende was awesome is a bit stretching it, Pinochet sucked tho.
@@achubbs8641 Nah, Allende was awesome and that's not a stretch by any means. Saying "Pinochet sucked" is however a big understatement.
@@penepleto1210 Explain yourself.
I wonder what a subtitle translator would do with the minute long detour into pigeon armies via the "coup/coo" homophone. It's a good example of that difficulty for your future video about subtitles Tom.
There are like 8 or so foreign language translation subtitles submitted now, it's actually kind of interesting to keep winding back with a different set selected and looking at the differences when they run into difficult things like that.
As a translator I can tell you that you either get a flash of inspiration to work around the problem and still make it funny, in which case you feel like a divine being... Or (more likely in my case) go and cry in a corner.
In Turkish they just gave an explanation on how those two words sound similar
In the Portuguese, there are translation notes like what one would see in fansubbed anime.
@@mustafamendeleev6461 they do the same in the Portuguese
I'm Chilean and i thought this was hilarious. You get a like for such a lovely topic.
And now that I have seen it, it does seem that there is an excess of pigeons in Santiago 🤔🤔🤔
Dude, your kitchen is the shit. Got the four-way toaster, the heavy duty vents, the stovetop espresso maker, the gas range, the.... is that some kind of marble countertop? Shitdamn, Tom. Shitdamn.
I'm probably duty-bound to point out that it's actually Chris's kitchen we were in....but yeah, he's got a pretty top kitchen.
Compliment rescinded. I must now assume Tom's kitchen is a shameful, greasy pit of rust and decay, as this is the only possible explanation for his obvious desperate attempt to convince us otherwise.
Honestly, Tom. Why can't you be more like Chris?
@@ColdsideRamrod it probably had no space for 4 people
Oh gosh, I laughed so hard at the crudité coup d'etat thing that I was actually lightheaded for a few moments.
Took me a while, but I finally realized that "for those of you just tuning in" is just a long-standing habit from his radio days instead of some random phrase to get back on topic.
If English is not your first language, this hard AF to follow
Praised be the subtitle writers!
Filewalkr Those who get it then shpuld rejoice!
I never get the winner's gift though
I know this is 2 years old, but as an American, I get about 60% of the jokes bc the way they pronounce certain words is way different and changes the joke to be meaningless in my head.
@@brucinski94 also a lot of the gags are about very British people and culture.
Nope, it isnt
I had planned to add German subtitles before watching this. I revised my plans after about 8 seconds.
Alright, so subtitles are pretty dang helpful for this series after all!
I have a hard time admitting it because I thought I understood English well enough, but it turns out I'd have missed a third of the jokes if not for them. ._.
***** Same felling here
+mebamme Hell, I'm a native English speaker, ok, USian, and I often have problems understanding their jokes in previous shows. Between the accents, talking over each other and slang, it gets very confusing.
i'm also from the us, but my exposure to british media makes it much easier for me than most
To be honest I'm British and I still find the odd bit hard to follow, when they're making obscure references and talking over each other, it gets very difficult to understand even for me.
I'm British and my fiancé is American and we spent so much time having to translate what we were saying to each other in the beginning. It wasn't until then that I realised how nuanced the 'dialects' are.
'Voodoo Gilet' and 'Crudités Coup D'etat' both nearly killed me.
Puffy and warm and BRAAAAINS
So, last Citation Needed, it was France. This time, it was Chile. Next time, I am making the prediction that it will be either Germany or Russia, and something from the communist era at that.
"And the wheel spins, and lands on East Germany!"
"bottom america" oh dear.
+OrlovKruskayev Or, shorter...Bottomerica. Fits better into our fast-paced, short attention...
What's that SHINY thing?
Butterica
@@gwenynorisu6883 That's just Texas
I didn't know the Hispanics were gay
When the roads get slippery in top america, you risk falling off into bottom america
"Far left of Bottom America"
Advanced geographical illiteracy.
had the realization while watching this that this will be the fourth time i've rewatched this series so thats fun
The robots are pigeons, Sir!
-removes sun glasses-
God damn
+NonsensicalSpudz Frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads.
+Václav Fejt That's not too much to ask for.
[Looks into the camera like they're on the office]
My jaw dropped when Matt came out with the "you're better off with a coup" joke. The thing is that's exactly the sort of off-the-cuff joke I'd have come out with before realising afterwards. I still laughed afterwards though.
+TheIrezasRise ...And the military coup song
I can't.
I love you guys.
0:15 ah the good old days, when you could shove your finger up your friends nose without fear of the plague.
It's a shame I can only like this once, one of the best so far Tom and Crew. keep up the side splitting work!
I'm surprised that they never picked on any other South American country (in videos, at least). Greetings from the exact centre of South America!
I'm trying to think of who's my favourite but every time I do it's just like
"Chris is my favourite, also Matt, and Tom, and Gary..."
+spaghetti Yep, I'm like It's Gary... Then Chris says something and I think, nope it's Chris. Then Tom makes me laugh and I change my mind. Then Matt says something in a weird accent and then I realised I was wrong, right up until Gary says...
As long as your favourite Gary Brannan is Gary Brannan, you should be fine
I just take the sixth option and pick Will Seward due to all the gags involving his amazing voice.
@@isaacbailey3681 *P A N T H E R S ?*
This was just everyone trolling Tom for 15 minutes
love citation needed, thanks for making it :)
Props to whoever translated the Happy Birthday song into German. They clearly tried to make it work as a poem in German.
First time I've seen this type of discussion you have, very funny and informative. :)
Anyone else here to see the "Failed Bomb Plot Pigeon" that an AI generated in Tom's latest video?
That article is from the one about the acoustic cat
Robot pigeons - now that's a Doctor Who episode just waiting to happen!
Well, Kate Stewart mentioned the ones at the Tower of London needed their batteries changed...
You could say that those early Star Trek NG characters were SCANTily clad 8:11
*MYSTERY BISCUITS!*
Omg, I somehow missed this episode and it might be my favorite. Bless the Tech Diff gods!!
Not sure if you guys are just insanely brilliant or just awesome totally awesome at post production.
Either way - I love this show!
funniest episode so far, I was practically laughing non stop
You asked for positive comments - here's a positive comment. I *love* citation needed. It reminds me of hanging out with my own friends back home - like the kind of thing we might very well do, except that we've never actually done it (at all), let alone with professional-level cameras and a highly-watched RUclips account and all that. But, it's seriously fun. Thanks for making them!!
So I checked the wiki article. The image of the operations room is fabulous.
This is like cards against humanity.
+Draktand01 I...I never knew I needed the Technical Difficulties to play Cards Against Humanity on camera...but now I do! Can you imagine their commentary and discussion about every round's answers? :'D
+IceMetalPunk Fund it.
+Draktand01 Except better.
*****
But...but...I have no money :(
+IceMetalPunk Especially if they used custom cards they wrote...
This is brilliant, the best one yet!
Not every day that a Tom Scott video gives me existential dread, so there's that.
This episode is awesome, espacially the happy birthday theme!
Terrific show, as always.
4:00 "For those of you just tuning in, this is a RUclips video, so why are you just tuning in?"
‘Cause it’s a podcast too.
...you don't "just tune in" to Podcasts either
When you watch this video in the background while doing something else
@@gwenynorisu6883 I think it was a radio broadcast aswell
As always, hilarious!
"Captain's Log"... Matt gets a special award for that one.
I love this show so much xD
Just what I was waiting for!
The fact that this is the most viewed video by far when you search 'Cybersyn' on RUclips is extremely disappointing, considering how fundamentally transformative the program would have been for both the social and material sciences if it weren't literally murdered in its infancy.
your fault for watching Citation Needed hoping to watch high quality education
HOW?!"
This is so much better to watch with subtitles for a not fully english person omg THANK YOU
you guys are crazy.... love it!
1:49 Tom didn’t sound pretensious; he just sounded like the only person on that curséd island who knows how to pronounce Spanish words.
I bet a Friday evening in the pub with you guys is a blast!
i watched all of the other ones last week, with this one, i have now watched every tom scott video... i have no life.
These always make me wish I knew you IRL so I could hang out.
This is a very good show to watch whilst drunk
Damn... in the 70s. Now there's a bit of history that you could point to when talking with an anti-socialist. Although... they'd need to be willing to listen to arguments, so...
To be fair to (at least American) anti-socialists, I think a lot of this is thanks to the amount of ideological propaganda baked into our history classes. I'm 29 and have considered myself a socialist for ~4 years, but if you asked me as recently as a year or two ago who Salvador Allende was, I'd probably have no idea.
We just don't learn anything at all about socialist historical figures unless they were revolutionaries or so-called "dictators;" or, if a historically significant figure was primarily famous for something else and just happened to be a socialist (e.g. people like Albert Einstein or Hellen Keller), then their socialism gets swept under the rug.
Love this video!
I thought Stafford Beer was a company
ITS A PERSON
WHAT!?
The word Tom uses at 1:03 is Portmanteau. I knew it's meaning once but I had to look it up again. It's a word made up of the parts and/or sounds of two separate words, e.g. SMOG = Smoke + Fog. I included the definition because although I hear it time to time on British TV, I'll never heard an American use that word in conversation.
2:52 "is that when they took over and killed everyone"
if by they you mean the fascists, then yes, quite
also i dont quite get the "Just one problem: people." in the description? i think the problem was... the fascist coup...
Another one who cataloges anything beyond their political viewpoint as fascist...
It'll be a figurative hell to translate all those puns.
A bunch of robot pigeons in the square moving simultaneously is in the plot of my movie script for "The Birds II: Electric Boogaloo."
This is my favorite citation needed episode. Gary especially is firing on all cylinders here.
My entire life comes to an hour passing every second on a Thursday, it seems I'll never get to the sweet nectar of British hometown comedy. Thank you Tom. Thank you all.
yo im from chile bro, love ur videos
Otro Chileno acá jhasdjh
+Chorifly chilenos en todos lados! ajajaj
Que onda cabros?
Hooolap!
Hooolap!
4:00
that's an E4 ident waiting to happen
The photos of this on wikipedia are fantastic
great captions
I love this show
I really enjoy these videos and the fun you and your mates seem to be having. A serious question, do you go to the pub before or after filming these episodes or is it as I suspect both?
Hate to disappoint you but we're pretty much a dry team. We're usually on a selection of fruit juice and coffee and nothing stronger all day. At the end of a recording day we usually have a curry and an early night.
4:00 I think Dr. Who did a scene something like what Gary described. No, wait - it was Cybermen in a cemetery........... But if pigeons ever did move in unison in Trafalgar Square: 😲😲😲
came for the cybersyn, stayed for robot pigeons
Project Cybersyn is very similar to what became TOPS a few years later to run the British Rail internal rail and shipping system.
Actually, it was roughly at the same time, and BR developed it from Southern Pacific, I think.
I don't get mystery biscuits but perhaps unusual and unlabeled biscuits from around the world could be physically awarded on the show. The flavor could be a conversation piece.
Not sure if they have them in this episode, but in the earlier ones they would actually pick up a biscuit.
At a wild guess I would say it is a pack of broken biscuits- the ones that break on the production line but are otherwise fine and are sold cheap as an assorted pack.
Ohhhh, how I've missed Citation needed :D
Gary's robot voice is a Dalek impression.
At around 10:10 anyone else think Gary was going to slip into the beetles song?
If you get it without the hint below I love YT comments. But so I don't have to explain when someone comments and I forget later...
Crudités, coup d'etat, life goes on.
I wish they'd do something about Shotton Surface Mine and what the mining waste was used for
yay subtitles!
staford beer sounds like a statesmen agent from the second kingsman movie
Do you guys actually get biscuits or are they really that mysterious you can't even find them?
So if we follow the pattern of past seasons, then the next video will be the finale.
I like the fact that Gary seems to be wearing a hoodie that just says "DON'T" on it.
I'm also amused by Tom slapping matt's hand away because he looks like a really angry cat
Tom reminds me so much of steven fry here, i predict he will be a huge tv personality soon enough
Great episode, as always. Thanks, TechDiff team!
And thank you, anonymous subtitle person! I dunno who you are, but you're cool!
Speaking of subtitles, a question to the translators: do you even attempt to keep alliteration in the joke at the end of the video? That seems like a translator's hell.