Fontaine: The Nation of Powercreep
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And yes: up till now the abyss hasn’t gotten more difficult in relation to this powercreep. Will be interesting to see if it does
Dunno, this abbyss will break my perfect streak of 36* and it's making me kinda mad ngl
@@Szczurzyslawayou can do it! Maybe check out our discord
I don't like the abyss getting a harder and harder dps check, i want it to be a fun challenge, the freeze abyss lector hell in 3.7 was way more enjoyable than recent abyss.
@@JelloImpact First time I've tried (quite some time ago) I stumbled into a big squabble about people liking playing chibi characters being pedos, but I might try again lol sure hah. I need some brain power help
Baizhu buffs bloom and hyperbloom damage
2:21 “Ayato first on field hydro dps”
Child named Childe: 🗿
People swear that Childe is just a Xiangling driver and not a DPS and haven't seen what his personal numbers look like in AOE
Kokomi.
The only unpowercreepable character, Childe is just so unique.
@@Rorensuwl8 kok
Childe is a driver. He has nukes that you may say “he’s doing damage”. But technically considering his personal damage without reactions, he fall behind even from Ayato. Surely his riptide mechanic has lots of numbers. Smaller numbers. But nowadays , especially in abyss , we are seeing fewer enemy per wave with chunk of hp. Ayato on the other hand, has mid Aoe damage but consistent.
The real powercreep of fontaine is Charlotte powercreeping qiqi.
lol
Qiqi has no power to creep😂
I just need to insert how much I freakin’ love Charlotte since she was mentioned. Poor Qiqi has been stuck at level 40 for two years on my account and will stay that way….
I use Charlotte more than Xianyun because I mostly play Ayaka with Furina and the cryo resonance helps.
I had enough blue balls for a 10 pull few days back, and got another Qiqi, now she is C6 unlocked team revival ability, Charlotte ain't gonna power creep that, with a R5 sacrificial sword, she can be a good healer, ranged attackers are good with Qiqi, they can run anywhere, the heal stays with them.
The biggest change has been on the constellations. In 1.0 version's, Constellations were just okay. In 2.0 versions we started to see power creep in constellations. In 3.0 versions, characters really needed constellations to be complete. Now, characters are complete and they're constellations are massive power creep.
that was my thinking as well. While I think the fontaine characters have been good across the board, its their constellations where the big difference lies. Arle vs Hu Tao at C0 is just not the same as Arle vs Hu tao at C6. Even Wrio and Chiori basically have their kit's restrictions solved by C1 and across the board there seem to be fewer 'dead constellations'-the ones someone would only get because its on the way to a great C2 or C6
I completely agree, like neuvillette and arlecchinos constellations are actually crazy, whereas Hu Tao’s only real good one was c1(and even then it’s not nearly as good as these new ones)
I look at Keqing's C6.
Then i look at Arlecchino's "altered" exploration passive.
I wanna cry for Keqing.
I will add that con 1/2 used to be included in base kits. Like interruption resistance. They've just pushed the base kit so as soon as you get the interruption/damage resistance con it feels huge. No one is saying Zhonghli/Baizhu are damage losses now. I don't like this design our choices have been locked behind constellations. Without a Shielder Nuev is pretty hard to play this Abyss. Ayato not the case. Bring XQ and Ayato has more damage on his team and effectively super armor. When I saw Arlen needs a shielder I decided to skip. Neuv and Arlen don't enable knew teams either for the builder in me like Leney, Navia and Xianyun. Just power if you bring a shuelder or go for cons.
Yeah i agree. Hu Tao is pretty comprable with Arlecchino but by the time you get to C6 it's like night and day. Which is kinda irrlevent because with enough cons even most of the version 1 5* feel OPAF. The issue is that even the early constellations are strong now and it's very possible for low spenders and FP2 to actually get them.
The advantage that Genshin has compared to other Gachas is that two characters can be the same on paper but their gameplay can be completely different.
In most Gachas the gameplay is minimal and when a new character that does the same thing as another is released the only significant difference between them will be who has the highest number.
In Genshin, a character can have larger numbers, but you can prefer the gameplay of another "Weaker" character. For example:
- Neuvillette is definitely the best Hydro DPS in the game, but you may prefer the gameplay of Tartaglia or Ayato
- Arlecchino is the best Pyro DPS in the game, but you may prefer the gameplay of Liney or Yoimiya
- Wanderer and Xiao are both Anemo DPS but their gameplay is extremely different.
- Etc...
So as long as characters launch with varied and fun gameplays I would say that powercreep in Genshin won't be a problem anytime soon
Imagine thinking Genshin having gameplay variety. Spam skill and burst on your supports and do one single thing with your dps is all there to is.
@@rohansensei5708 literally wdym genshin has no gameplay variety. Every character has a different set up and different ways to do damage.
@@rohansensei5708That's a huge simplification that you can apply to any game on a superficial level. In this logic, every FPS or every fighting game could be considered the same thing (Aim, shoot and run / Hit, kick and block)
You probably only play Genshin
@@rohansensei5708 you can oversimplify every game that ever existed like this lol
Clorinde isn't powercreeping Raiden; Clorinde is powercreeping Cyno. The true power of Raiden is ability to make the other characters less ER hungry and be able to go for more damage stats in the artefacts.
Cyno is the best electro dps in the game. Raiden is mid now lol.
Cry about it 💀.... F2p navia can do more then hyper investment raiden
@@D4C_267 no, Raiden double hydro with Jean, Yelan and Furina can easily keep up with Cynos best teams and is way more flexible. Its her new best team now, and its one if the top most used teams in some abyss.
@@narutokiller8432 Lol no maybe at C0 but hyperinvested would mean C3 R1 which is way more op than c0r0 Navia.
@@hubertbong2747did you forget Cyno got his best team with Furina too which definitely out dpr Raidens best stop gassing Raiden she don’t need it Cyno is the underrated one here. Not saying he won’t be power crept because it’s looking like that’s how things are going for most older characters
As a Raiden main, I can 100% agree that Clorinde’s design is right up my alley lol
I have to agree but I’m not pulling for her. Raiden will forever be my favourite and I only want one electro dps
thers a good chance i pull for her, if i dont get arlechino next week.
GLORY TO THE SHOGUN!
@@JessicaLiu-up9ni not need to get so sentimental about it lmao , have fun mf
@@JessicaLiu-up9ni Why not both ? Both is good 😁
What Genshin needs is powercreeped supports to Bennett and Xiangling.
Just wait for Pyro Archon!
or just sidegrades like XQ/Yelan so we can at least have another option for a second team
Xinagling is kinda easy if they tried. Make a pyro character who can almost do good off field dps as xianglinag but make ‘em not rely on bennet being able to do their off field damage by skill or being a great battery to themselves.
For bennett honestly they are already doing it, he’s getting push out of some teams.
@@Bugermanchiyes. they just need to make xiangling with lower er, but the same numbers, and we already have a great unit. hopefully, natlan will give us options.
Mihoyoverse please for the love of god make the C0 Pyro Archon C5/C6 Bennett without the circle impact.
I don't fully agree with some points. I wouldn't consider Furina straight up power creep, since she can still exist alongside similar units like Yelan without invalidating them. Also Xianyun could be considered powercreep but I think you forgot to mention that the units that benefit from her the most are older "outdated" units like Xiao and Diluc. I personally think Furina and Xianyun were healthy for the game by providing older units with a chance to shine in today's meta.
Totally agree, he was being a little too dramatic. Fontaine is a successful patch that actually managed to bring back some old units and elements after sumeru's dendro overload. 0 dendro is this whole patch which I'm starting to miss now lol
Sure some Fontaine units are incredible but each region delivered great units in the past too it's nothing new
Genshin is still a much healthier game than HSR which is dirty gacha
Fontaine brought more unused characters to be competitive, than powercrept them. Lynney, wriothesley, and furina powercrept absolutely no one expect for maybe klee(and klee got buffed right after it).
Neuvi was indeed a direct nerf to Ayato. But navia, while probably stronger, fits completely different teams than itto does, and while very, very strong, arlecchino is only an upgrade for hu tao because her DMG is frontloaded, but she comes with her own drawbacks.
I feel genshin has done this for years. They do make certain chars far better but they don't make old chars useless. Diluc while not the best now is still a very good character for certain areas. Easy to play and all that. You can't go wrong him. Granted he isn't the top tier but he is still very capable. Just one example of many.
I like the inazuma chars most so far still. If I had to pick a region i would go for inazuma, not fontaine, liyue, or sumeru. Definitely not mondstadt. Even though Eula is fun as hell and hot af. I like her bit of gambling ultimate. Could be totally useless and miss everything or just wipe the area :)
100% agree with this one 🔥
I didn't know characters have a expiry date
Constellation power creep seems to be the biggest thing to me. Especially the really strong early cons on Fontaine characters. Like, Arlecchino is the current best pyro DPS, but she's still only marginally stronger than Hu Tao at c0. If you get a few cons for each though, she blows Hu Tao out of the water. So, while there is absolutely power creep in Fontaine, it seems to be more of an issue for high investment over newer players that are f2p. Even Neuvilllette, as amazing as he is, doesn't feel that "insane" with only c0 and prototype amber.
Well... It's a gacha game. They want you to buy copies so the chances of spending real money goes up. But knowing that, we can be happy for hoyo allowing good game play without spending money at all. Most gachas don't do that. The power diff between C0 or C1Neuvi / Arle are mainly just FOMO aspects as they are both OP, and are both play-worthy with just crafted / 3star weapons. Sure, not as good as with the dedicated ones plus C1, but again, those are more FOMO improvements (at least until we get stronger opponents). Other gachas would make game play impossible without these extras. Or.. remember how often we needed C3-C6 for a character being really good? Compared to those, maybe needing C1 and maybe needing the signature weapon are... Nice turn of direction.
They clearly put lots of effort into making this game good and enjoyable for everyone ( of course keeping the company goals - making you spend money - in mind). Sure, they don't do enhancements and improvements requested much (e.g. giving skip button to dialogues), but aside that they seem to try. Maybe once all regions came out they turn more attention to these qol enhancements /improvements.
All the characters in Fontaine are strong already at C0 that you dont even need cons. The constellation is cherry on top i think
Arlec C1 and Neu C1 are scary tho
Let me correct some stuff:
C0 neuvillette is already a monster even with just a proto amber
C1 neuvillette though, is a completely different beast
@@RyanGarde-rq8tf Oh I know, my Neuvillette is C0 with amber. I still think he's the best overall DPS in the game, he's tanky/easy to play and amazing at aoe. My personal experience though is that his teams don't feel head and shoulders above any of my other C0 5* DPS teams when it comes to clear times.
@@ixymyxl3055 skill issues i guess
Ironically, Chiori who everyone shit on is the biggest example of power creep, it can be argued that Ayato has better off field application than Nuvi and Arlecchino pays for her damage by being squishy but in what possible situation do you use Albedo over Chiori.
chiori got shit on cuz even though she's just better albedo, albedo wasn't good to begin with and that's reflected in chiori's kit as well.
No one used Albedo and now no one uses Chiori
I wonder if Albedo can stay viable with Navia or Chiori still can outdamage him despite lacking her second tamoto
@@Raudent lol even with 1 she still out damages him, 2 is just to add insult to injury. The only reason to use him is that his flower counts as a construct and some future unit might need the extra construct, but for now the only unit that really needs it is Chiori herself, and she has better options.
@@kirkalmeida guess the only reason to use albedo if you run abyss with both geo team...
Navia with albedo and Itto with Chiori
powercreep was inevitable but they seem to want to keep it under check
C3 Shogun is immune to powercreep on Hypercarry Electro team especially. I don't think that C0 Clorinde can beat a well invested Raiden .
@@reynerestebanb.h4014 i don't think a C0 clorinde can beat a C3 Raiden , but if we talk about a C3 Clorinde , she is most likely to be stronger than a C3 Raiden , they seem to give newer character very strong early cons
@@ImagineCats9339c3 buffs shoguns main dps stat tho 🤔
@@reynerestebanb.h4014why are you comparing c3 Raiden with a c0 clornde?
@@reynerestebanb.h4014 No, but C3 definitely will.
i absolutely LOVE that genshin dont powercrepp stuff like crazy. Cuz to get a limited unit it takes a lot of effort and sometimes money, so it's nice that the character that you work so hard to get is not obsolete on the next patch and you get to use him for 1 or 2 years knowing they're still fresh and strong.
Ikr? Even diluc and keqing and xiao, super old dpss still work and even got upgrades to keep them relevant :)
Theres a reason why hsr say they can't save up enough since characters keep coming up.
Also this means rewards needs to be ramped up in hsr too.
3 years later finally powercreep. i actually like that there isn't a lot of powercreep (if any). gotta love the balance. it's been nice knowing you all
I'm fine with it, specialy when they give Diluc, Jean and Keqing some relevance again
The only one who is actually powercrept is Albedo. That's it.
@@jamesxu2224 lmfao no way you said that, when arlechino literally powercreeps yoimiya.
@@soham4741 Yoimiya was powercrept the moment she was even released by Hutao and Xiangling who already existed.
Your take is laughable.
@@jamesxu2224 the kid defending Hoyoverse ahahah
As I’ve seen some people talking about it, while there is powercreep, it think it is mostly about vertical investment. The first characters had terrible constellations (hello Childe) or they were changing their gameplay. Their strongest constellations were usually c6 (hello c6 xiao). Then we got Inazuma that was releasing more strong constellations but weren’t changing the characters like crazy. Yes c2 raiden is strong but when you compare it to the first constellations of Fontaine’s characters… C1 neuvillette, c1 Arlecchino, c2 Furina, c1 Wriothesley. What changed is that what we think of c6 constellations became the c1 of new characters, it convince more people to spend. After all, c1 is more reasonable than c6. Even f2p goes more toward constellations than weapons.
and c6 cons have just turned into funny whale gimmicks who want to play any support 5* as a broken dps
I have seen runs between hu tao and arle at C0, both teams have similar clear times. I dont think its a powercreep in a sense of DPS, its more of a powercreep in terms of ease of gameplay. Low skill floor with high dps returns. Plus, fontaine characters have been gravitating towards hypercarry playstyles as of late instead of team dmg. It makes their numbers to be high asf, that doesnt account to their frontload dmg kit. I cant argue anything about chiori vs albedo cuz thats true in every sense. But if we look at childe international vs neuvi hypercarry (furina, kazuha, baizhu), both have similar clear times, at C0 ofc. This coincides with your take of off-field dps is the meta for the past 2 years or so and "support impact".
Another thing, these hypercarries have a shit ton of value in their C1 or C2. Pulling their cons is like an easy investment, high return compared to old characters. I like where its going, it focuses more on hypercarry gameplay which is something we have only seen in xiao/wanderer/itto teams.
TL:DR I dont think its a powercreep, its more of a different playstyle. It gravitates towards hypercarry and less team dmg. I would agree however if you are not talking about overall team dmg
100% agree with that.
The only thing were is see powercreep are in 5* cons (especially the early ones). They really go crazy with them tbh.
That’s still power creep regardless. If someone new came to the game and asked what the best pyro 5 star dps to pull is no one but Hu Tao simps are going to say Hu Tao now. I’ve seen clears between them as well and Arle is always edging her out slightly. It might be basically meaningless seconds of time saved but it’s still enough to say that Hu Tao is no longer the best pyro dps in the game. Power creep doesn’t have to mean a character is irrelevant now. Just that there is now a unit that does what they do better.
@TerraTheWise What those youtube runs don't tell you though is the amount of resets you will take to get those clears on Arlecchino. Sure you can shave a few seconds with arlecchino, but my god does it take a lot more time just to get there against extremely aggressive enemies that can melt/vape you on bennett's burst. Arlecchino has probably tripled my abyss resets by now, which makes recommending her to casuals difficult. Shielded teams or bennettless teams is nice for consistent clears, but not all that impressive overall.
@@elyz617 Yeah, I do account on resets as well. I speedrun the abyss as well with my international team, and I reset a shit ton cuz my childe didnt crit on all three kenkis, so i know how that feels. I just didnt account player skill into the equation when I make my own statement.
@@x3m9xwhich means your realtime for each character is different. I know for speed runners, they usually only care about the best run, but the majority of people think of the effort it takes too. If you take average time for all the run, Neuvilette would most likely destroy international
Day: idek of me waiting for the direct upgrade to bennett. A pyro atk buffing team healer (maybe also a subdps but gives like half the atk of bennett) that doesn't need me to park my team in a circle.
I got the scythe for arlecchino and hit a 300k vape normal attack with the rest doing 140-170k on average. She's like a literal god tier unit.
Imagine how good the pyro archon and that nations big 3 are gonna be
Maybe the pyro archon will be the only one who powercreep bennett boi. Pyro is almost about damage with few supports, i think Murata will provide a lot of pyro buffs and debuffs for the enemy.
They will never make another bennet. Look how they delibrately design characters to not work with or receive limited use from him. He is probably the design teams biggest regret, and I bet they hate him more than any other character.
@juggernaut6666 I mean, Before, I would've thought the same thing, but after neuvillette and furina, then arlecchino and how good she works with bennett and how overturned some of the recent characters have been I feel its only a matter of time til they drop a Bennett upgrade/side grade. A unit that is most likely pyro, heals teamwide without the need of a circle, probably provides some off field dmg and buffs the teams atk, but I think the buff would be half as good as Bennetts at best, for balance. Tho you could pair them together like yelan and furina are paired. I think the fact that there are less characters that need/want bennett actually makes it more likely for them to release an upgraded version of him for the types of characters that do want him bc the other units got tools that break them without him so it wouldn't be that big of an issue now.
I don't think we will et a pyro atk buffing healer but just an atk buffer in general via Murata. Perhaps she will be a teamwide atk buffer like Chevreuse, but universal and with additional utility that is not healing, maybe just interruption resistance like Dehya. With a teamwide atk buffer, it would help XIngqiu catch up to Yelan for teams like Arlecchino's since Yelan gets more dmg coming out of base kit and hydro resonance as well as her passive.
I do think the pyro archon is gonna be an atk buffer, but supposedly teamwide atk buffer as well, since Furina and Raiden have been supporting entire teams while Nahida is the core for all dendro teams. An active character atk buffer does very little for off-fielders that don't snapshot. Bennett's been great for off fielders since those that depend on him snapshot like FIschl, Beidou, Xiangling, Kaeya, and Rosaria.
I will finally feel relief when the pyro archon dethrones Bennett and maybe Xiangling. I wonder how the pyro archon will affect Childe teams.
@@juggernaut6666 uh huh this is gonna age like milk in like 6 months lol
uh, clorinde is closer to keqing and cyno than to raiden, i don't get this comparison
He is just hyping her up cuz she is hot
i think it's more like the way it is becoz she was better than most electro characters n u have that stereotype than u need c2 raiden for her to be better
@@thenikkaman132 for her to be a on field dps yeah, but raiden's plus sides were always having multiple roles, unlike cyno and keqing which are exclusively on-field dps, just like clorinde
He just forgot about those characters bc he's a complete gooner
I agree that Fontaine has come out with powerful 4* and 5*
charlotte is awesome if you need constant reaction to fuel something. her ability to tag characters with frost is a huge deal. it can be swirled, over and over again, navia can use it to farm crystals for her shotgun, anyone who wants to farm melt reactions loves her, anyone who needs to farm non-dendro reactions loves her. her constant frost application is just awesome for so many different teams.
Look mom!, even the Electro cup size has powercrept 👐🏻
Um...
lmfao
I don't think Hoyoverse are always trying to powercreep because from what I have seen for Sigewinne's current kit, they don't try to make her as a direct powercreep to Kokomi since her current kit looks weak so far (lack of hydro application, shared buff stack instead of separate buff stack like Shenhe, bubble bounces too slow, and her burst is useless).
this video when sige fails to powercreep barbara :( (please buffs on monday)
Sigewinne isnt Kokomi powercreep. Shes Qiqi Powercreep (trust)
@@eliwhite6159Charlotte is already Qiqi powercreep in terms of role and practicality.
@@eliwhite6159 lmao :(
If Natlan powercreeps Fontaine as much as Fontaine powercrept previous regions, I'll just quit.
I don't think power creep is necessarily a bad thing. I like it when my new shiny characters end up feeling like an upgrade over what I already had.
The issue comes when a game makes it a requirement that you need those new characters to clear content.
But since you can clear all content in the game just fine with the oldest of characters, I don't see a problem with the stronger drops we've seen in Fontaine.
This trend started in Sumeru when the meta changed to dendro reactions, in Fontaine they couldn´t come up with new elemental mechanics and decided to do the simplest they could do, add more dps to on fielders.
there are many mechanics that they tried to implement tho, like arkhe and bond of life but nobody even cares about arkhe at this point
@@justalg Not to mention playing with Navia's crystalize gimmick, giving geo a new crystalize gimmick with the artifact set, Chevreuse's overload gimmick, and now doing something with burning using the new set.
Fontaine is literally THE nation Hoyo has tried to be most experimental in. The last time they tried in Sumeru post introducing Dendro as a whole was Nilou and Kaveh.
@@justalg Exactly, those were failed attempts because they couldn´t add new elements or new elemental reactions like in Sumeru
remember when people were coping vorukasha set + a new fontaine support will save dehya
only thing i want for them to start changing would be shielders, make them use the DEF stat pls. the DEF stat is the most least used stat in the game and is only stuck on Geo
like when i was a new player and had gotten layla ( i did not read her skill description) i thought DEF= better shield so i gave her a bunch of 2* def artifacts
One thing that has huge meta and long-term balance implications is that all character balance is dependent on the ARTIFACT systems. Fontaine introduced two entire sidegrade "flavorizer" mechanics with HP-flux and BoL, and the reliance on new domains to juice those new characters is a real nesting doll of game management. It means that even though in raw spreadsheet terms the 'ceiling' damage output of a character may be powercreep, players will be using Gladiator sets, Shimenawa sets, Gilded sets, etc for weeks or months as they continue to be engaged in the game and using resources to reach that ceiling. It means that old characters, with no changes to the statlines or original 'strength' from their old BiS, can have a way to re-engage players time & resources for a new BiS and can even keep up with the powercreep. It means that for other new characters the design team and the playerbase both can see things as [character X but with flavor Y], which keeps the testing and community education demands low in an increasingly large character pool. It means that if they really needed/wanted to globally rebalance Fontaine's DPS lift, they could just nerf the MH/GT sets and avoid potential blowback from nerfing a character.
9:44 "I love the design of this character" [pointing with the hand cursor]
People didn't understand Kazuha's kit very well when he released, his dmg buff was overlooked and underestimated because almost no no one built units with full EM back then (except for Sucrose maybe, but he's a 5* so ppl kind of didn't expect it to be his best build and called him Sucrose downgrade for a while - yeah, really). Not to mention Inazuma, Ayaka and Raiden on the horizon. So only good theory crafters saw his value back then.
Ayato wasn't the first on-field hydro DPS - Childe was, so Ayato was like an easier to play Childe for mobile players or mashers. He was pretty damn strong upon release too.
Yelan was just a second Xinqiu for ppl who use Hu Tao on the first team and Raiden on the second - she still lowkey is. People really wanted two Xinqius back then and they got it.
Lyney imo is a direct powercreep to Klee: she dishes insane dmg in mono-pyro and that's pretty much her only team, but people don't talk about it bc she's a really difficult chara to fully master: jump cancels + CAs and stamina management with a child chara. So he's really similar: big dmg, difficult to play, but easier to utilize than Klee arguably.
Wriothley was finally the first on-field male cryo DPS so his release was a big deal for annoying people (me).
Also I've never heard people say it, but Furina seems to me like a direct Mona powercreep. Summons, but way longer and deal dmg. Buff on ult, but way stronger.
As a person who heavily invested in Xingqiu, Yelan, Mona and Kokomi I was not upset by Furina because her new role is quite unique, even though she definitely powercrept Yelan and Mona in many teams, and Kokomi in exploration mostly.
who annoyed me the most by far is Chiori, because her entire kit is a clear powercreep to Albedo.
True, but geo just isn't meta anyways. Chiori banner didn't do well even if she is power creeping albedo.
Well they might be doing this because they may be planning to make the abyss more difficult, but I think the older characters are still 100% capable, at the very least in the overworld
4 hours ago… this released 4mins ago how?
4 hours
Being ‘capable’ in the overworld seems kind of a weird metric, don’t you think? When we talk about power creep, we obviously talk about end-game content, not fighting hilichurls. Also, Hoyo doesn’t release stronger units because Abyss magically became harder, they make Abyss harder in order to sell you stronger characters. That’s the main definition of power creep in gacha games.
I can still 36 star this abyss with v1 characters. I used Diluc and Hu Tao and cleared every floor 12 chamber with like a minute to spare for 3 stars. Needs to be way harder to become new character only.
Re-upload probably @@IDS_Rai
Clorinde isnt going to powercreep raiden, even in the slghtest bro, she is the powercreep of keqing in quicken teams that's all
for sure not c2 raiden, but c0 might be slightly outclassed.
Though the one who should actually tremble is Yae
@@mika086 c0 wont be outclassed, may I remind you that raiden best team is rational witb a fucking xiangling as sub dps and clorinde best team is quicken with just fischl, you can't even comparr
Clorinde national will be better than raiden. But raiden does have good utility.@@djampoucheukap1742
@@djampoucheukap1742may i remind u that all raiden team incliding rational is very mediocre. Also, ur underestimating how much dmg fischl can do especially in agg with her c6 and a4. Clorinde also just out dmg Raiden as a on fielder.
@@djampoucheukap1742 fu** xiangling, that's true only against enemies that don't bounce away due to overloaded XD (I'm looking at you, stupid fatui duelists).
But it's also true that party performance overall might be higher, that's why I said "might be outclassed".
Just too many variables.
I feel like raiden isn't really going to get fully power crept by clorinde raiden has her energy regeneration support application that she offers so I feel she'll remain a great pick in a lot of teams and clorinde will be just hyper carry with little in the way of unity support
Inb4 sigewinne is gonna be amongst if not the weakest charas in the game :(
Shes getting gigabuffed this monday trust 🤞
Sad to see what Hoyoverse are doing to cute Melusine nurse so far.
She is a non interesting side character. Why would she be strong when she is just a prison nurse. They should have made her a 4 star character at best.
I was hoping she would work well with Wriothesley, especially since I have his c1. Now I'm even more inclined to pull for characters like Yelan.
@@DeJaVu804 she is far more interesting than most charas. And not to mention how the hell was she even born/created is a mystery
Whatever I’ve heard of Chloride, it sounds like she’s more of an EM based character and she works best with dendro- and doesn’t the same overload synergy like Raiden does. I think she’s gonna be a very different character than Raiden
Clorinde has no em scalings. Her highest DPR team is Chev teams.
It was the case in previous beta, in current one she actually makes +- similar dmg in both cases
she is an overload,taser Cyno
she benefits little from dendro.
Even if there is power creep and there is this new shinny and strong character, I still prefer playing certain characters. I still actively use my Eula to 36-star Abyss. She isn't meta and running her makes Abyss harder, but I enjoy playing her and don't see any true reason to change who I use other than ease of use/clearing.
Maybe if they added more difficulties or just overall make Abyss harder then I would retire my Eula or any of my other favorites, but until then a character's strength will always be a non-issue for me since it will all be about character likeability.
I am the same but I’d stop doing abyss before retiring my favorites (I only do floor 9-10 anyway and I own multiplied well built c6 limited)
I do the same, though the lectors force me to replay certain floors at times when she's the sole reason for my team not being able to properly break shields. Every other recent abyss she's there for me. Even still on 2 of the 3 floors of the recent one.
You'll always be able to play Eula. During Inazuma I used her with shield breaking characters. During Sumeru I used her with hyperbloom. In fontaine she's used as a hypercarry. The meta changes each region but you can always add three other characters to support what she lacks.
I think it’s interesting that all the stronger dps units made a return to the shield meta.
17:10 this right here is the actual situation. Its less powercreeping and more that the niches and support are mostly already set up so now they can design more dedicated premium DPS'es for banners. Its been Support Impact because theyre building up the rosters of supports that players would have so that their DPS banners will be more rewarding for those who already has the necessary support character. Sumeru didnt feel much like powercreep because it serves to COMPLETE the landscape, Dendro was the final piece, so they were trying to catch up to other elemental characters in terms of role and niches. But now with Fontaine, its hydro nation, not a new element anymore and all the elemental supports niche are already filled during inazuma's duration (Thoma with burgeon and Kuki with hyperbloom) they can finally focus on releasing more DPS'es.
this video discusses very superficial outlook clouded by recency bias but the real situation is this, most of the supports are already set up, the final elemental piece has been put, now we can have the big boys in. I feel like Natlan will have some new bs like with Fontaine because it suffers from the same problem of not being a new element unlike with Sumeru, and most of the supports are already released (still no off field hydro shielder : [ ) so i'd guess another "Natlan is the Nation of Powercreep" video next year : D
I don’t think they power creep anyone. They just creating DPSs that really doing damage and not just relying on reactions or driver of powerful off field DPS.
They’re doing this so that people will still pull for upcoming characters than using the same old DPS/driver.
Yea exactly, my ayato burgeon team still slaps this abyss cycle , and it keeps kind of nice to finally have a place i can use him. There are various reaction based teams you can use the match the current chars in their best teams.
Power creep anyone? As if they didn't make a strictly stronger version of another character? Maybe if you limit your analysis to each specific character.
But the game has been power creeping in general. Your total DPS has been going up up up for the past 4 years.
If you look at the strongest teams you can do something totally silly like 300k vapes with a Diluc + Furina plunge team.
You're absolutely cooking now. 1M HP bosses go down easy.
@@iankmak comprehension left the group. I said DPS who doesn’t rely on reactions. If you put Diluc having 300k vape. Who did he powercreep then? Also how can he powercreep anyone , he’s not even new. He just got better.
I fundamentally disagree with the definition of Powercreep in this video, but I agree with the sentiment of sticking to favorites and the fact characters have gotten stronger. The way I see Powercreep defined as is usually "outright making older characters irrelevant", which is impossible for Genshin to achieve unless they make Endgame Content that is absurdly difficult. However, Hoyo will obviously never do that - they care too much about their casual audience to make difficult endgame content. Instead, they made two very strong DPS 5 stars with amazing cons, amazing signature weapons, and QoL changes in playstyles to their competition.
So again, I can agree the new characters have gotten more abilities than older ones. Even the character stories/voicelines have gotten longer with time, but I just don't think we've gotten to the point it should even be called "powercreep".
What I do consider powercreep are the constellations on the 5 stars, the difference between 1.X cons and 4.X cons is insanely funny to me.
Exactly you can't call it powercreep unless you match their power level and make insanely hard content. I cleared the recent abyss with diluc xianyan and keqing spread ..with a lot of time on the clock to spare. Old units can still truck abyss , new units truck it even faster.
New players will go for new eye candy and power level spikes will just make them more excited.
Powercreep is simply releasing new stronger characters/items that makes the older ones relatively weaker. Clearing the Abyss with older characters doesn't invalidate the fact that they're powercreep by new ones. Meta exists for a reason.
So you're saying you disagree with the definition of powercreep in this video since the older characters can still clear content but you're also saying that older cons have been powercrept even though older characters with those cons can still clear content. You're literally contradicting yourself.
@@ashenzenden no, you are minsconstruing my arguments.
What I am saying is that the rate characters are getting "better at" is not steep enough to constitute as powercreep. However, Constellations HAVE gotten a lot better at a much faster rate, which is why I would consider them somewhat powercreep-esque
@@craiver00 no. powercreep is outright making older characters obsolete or extremely difficult to use, which is why I said "I fundamentally disagree with the definition of powercreep in this video". I disagree with your definition of powercreep as well.
I've played gacha games with powercreep before and I am very aware of how it looks, what genshin is doing is nothing compared to what has happened there. If genshin was going by my definition of powercreep, Neuvillette and Arlecchino would not only have higher scalings but also just downright steal other abilities from other characters but better - like Neuvillette ult also creating a field exactly like Ayato's with better numbers.
Yes, meta exists. But some characters are just simply going to be worse than others, some characters are going to be better than others. I don't consider that powercreep, it's simply how a game will work. The way Genshin operates makes it so that it's EXTREMELY difficult to directly powercreep in the regular sense - they would either need to make exactly the same character with numbers substancial enough to consider them a massive upgrade and/or create hard content that older characters cannot clear, but the newest characters with above-average scaling can.
With that note, I'll say Arlecchino is direct powercreep to Yoimiya, but that's the only instance of it happening. Yoimiya was practically doomed at the beginning because of her sub-par scalings and clunky playstyle though, so I'm not sure if this happening is a shocker.
For the longest time I've never understood why people call raiden a DPS because the one reason that she's considered a DPS isn't a good enough reason to label her just a "DPS" when she does more than that and because of that I doubt she can be powercrept at what she can do as a whole
Comparing clorinde which can be possibly considered a *Pure Onfield Electro DPS* if she is one she'll most likely be one that adds nothing to the team so she'll most likely be compared to keqing and cyno as a Onfield Electro DPS
Raiden is unique enough to be considered more than just a DPS since her rolls in teams are different from the other Onfield Electro DPS units
I have nothing against powercreep if it's implemented slowly over time, but obviously I would prefer more variety over straight up upgrades to older characters.
Clorindes design is definitely Bloodborne inspired, she looks like a hunter with the hat and the sword + pistol combo. I'm so excited for her, I usually don't look at leaks but for her I had to look up her ascension and talent materials so I can triple crown her day 1, even if she's not strong or clunky or whatever. I'm excited to see her kit I hope she uses her pistol. Bloodborne is one of my favorite games of all time so I instandly fell in love with Clorinde after seeing her in the overture trailer lol.
I'll be sad when i can't get through the abyss with C0R0 of "old" characters anymore.
In any other game sure, But Genshin has been consistent in making sure any character in the game can clear everything if they're built right (yes, even Dehya can be carried by support impact).
Its been 3 years and 1.X units can still demonish anything if you invest into them like any other character. Besides we've seen time and time again that occasionally older units can get buffed with the release of new weapons, artifacts and supports. Fischl, Xiangling and Xiao are prime examples and they aren't the only ones.
tldr, your old characters will be fine.
I already can't lol
Good insight! Thanks!
I think,powercreeping is necessary.
No one's gonna pull for a character that is equal or worse than the ones they already have.
Their sales would plummet if they keep releasing subpar characters.
Just looking at the sales of the recent banners proved this.
Best part about Fontaine is it actually gave us good on field DPS characters even as an f2P.
Before Fontaine,most of the DPS characters performed as a DPS because of their constellations and good 5 star weapons.Now, Neuvillette , Arlecchino,Navia are actually good characters at C0 without their signature.Its true that their constellations are totally insane compared to ones we had before in other characters but how many players actually have constellations tbh?very few people can actually afford to pull for cons.
Only one thing hoyo should remember,not to make characters like Bennett,xiangling,sucrose,kuki,xingqiu irrelevant.These are the characters that are keeping the f2p player base alive.
My main issue is still with Neuv not having a weakness.
Arle is STRONG but she has clear weaknesses and limitations and this applies to pretty much almost all characters (yes it sucks that some new chara are just a straight powercreep like Albedos but most new chara create new teams with old chara and make them stronger like Xianyun or Furina) but then we have Neuv who is super tanky with a ton of HP and infinite range while dealing sht ton of damage and not having ER problem nor is he inflexible when it comes to teammates and his early cons+weapon is so OP that he can solo most abyss as long as the enemy isn't resistance to hydro.
They could have easily prevented this by limiting the speed of his water blast directional input and making his HP recovery lower than his HP consumption so he will need a healer more than most chara and he will still be strong but a bit clunky like Lyney but nah, he is can spin to win and basically cover the whole abyss like smh
Neuvillete boring look and gameplay is his weakness.
Easy skip for me.
I really wish people would actually look at the larger context of units and what they actually do/ what teams or archetypes they work well in, instead of sperging over numbers. units like Neuvilette are not power creep and have never been powercreep. people have always just had a warped perception of what units like ayato and childe do that makes them think that.
I’ll still be an Itto main for life no matter what
What people didn't realized yet is the fact that this is totally intentional and related with the Chronicled Wish Banner. They want to throw the old characters there in favor of having window to rotate the new characters. So they powercreep everything to make the new ones more attractive.
what is the point of constantly releasing power creepers, raiden is a whole ass archon and if they do release more power creepers, it'll just make the previous characters useless in game and lore wise since how are you going to have one character be presumed incredibly strong and yet they get power creeped in the next nation by a "nobody"
raiden is 2 years old it was bound to happen, and her actual dps is wore than cynos at c0
@@frraiden "her dps is worse then cyno at c0" be fr you just didn't builded her right, i always used raiden in abyss in various role even as an hypercarry even at c0 and she cleared the abyss with no problen, dealing tons of demeage.
Raiden Kits is not supposed to be a "DPS" per se.. Shes an all purpose character that is very valuable for any account so no i don't think powercreep will do any damage to her value. And her gameplay is more fun/satisfying. Remember this is a gacha game BUT with an actual gameplay to enjoy. She's also very flexible for any META team. I really love to have her in my account but as a f2p losing on her banner force me to use substitute for her.
@@frraiden bruh cyno better than raiden even at c0? His long ass burst duration and single target?
@@MJAY552single target??? Like hutau single target??? Also, you don't want to stay on his burst until the end. Just swap out after all support buffs gone. Sure, it feels suck but that's how Cyno work
I honestly doubt chlorinde will be better than raiden
The bar is in hell if shes not shes doomed
raiden's still top 5 characters imo, the best character in the game despite new releases. after using arlecchino she makes neuvi look bad and she's fun * raiden is very versatile / provides er etc
Hoyo should just let Chiori be the only letdown of Fontaine.
@@figaro5376Highly disagreed. Raiden has no top meta team, isn't a very universal character(due to her being onfield except in hb), and her dps is just mid at c0. Raiden's best team, chev overload, is just worse than lyney and arlecchino versions, and will most likely be worse than clorinde versions as well. And all her teams have direct upgrades. For double hydro, hu tao is a strict upgrade, rational, international or even sucrose national, etc.
@@H2Ocupchevreuse raiden is better aoe than the other 2 being able to utilize xiangling because she's electro and just having better aoe herself, though I don't see raiden as top 5 her chevreuse variants are insanely good.
I got the primordial spear so should I get arlecchino? Or just save my primos ?
"All throughout Mondstadt to Sumeru, we basically got a horizontal expansion of the character roster until Fontaine where the powercreep begins with Neuvillette" - I disagree a bit. My explanations below:
Mondstadt & Liyue 1.0 to 2.0: We started with the original standard banner characters with 5*s in Qiqi, Diluc, Keqing, Mona and Jean and with Venti, Klee and Albedo as banner characters. Then they released Xiao, Ganyu and Hu Tao. For a long time, these three were considered the meta of DPS, outperforming everyone else. I think this can be considered powercreep. For a good minute, Ganyu freeze teams 'Morgana' and Hu Tao were dominating abyss.
Inazuma 2.0 to 3.0: Kazuha, Yelan, Ayaka, Raiden and Shenhe I think were the more notable characters that released here. I remember during this period, a lot of freeze teams used Ayaka alongside Ganyu and with Prototype Amber Mona as a healer, until Shenhe's release completely replacing Ganyu. Not sure if you include overworld traversal into the equation, but if you do, Yelan's skill is still meta to this day.
Sumeru 3.0 to 4.0: I'd argue we had reverse powercreep instead throughout this time. The introduction of dendro as an element elevated a lot of mid characters to amazing and amazing characters to SSSSSR+, especially with reactions such as hyperbloom having a really high floor while severely downgrading the need for optimized 1:2 crit substats. Again if you include overworld traversal, then Wanderer is insane and probably the best we got so far and Nahida's "gather" utility isn't anything to scoff at either.
Fontaine presently: Arlecchino and Hu Tao are pretty even according to some TC like Zajef, but it does indeed feel like Neuvillette is powercreep in more ways than one. Furina also crept Kokomi in nearly every way and is the strongest C6 character we have so far. She also walks on water in a way Koko could never.
I think most of the powercreep so far has come in the form of constellations, such as Arle and Hu Tao being nearly even at C0, but Arle pulling drastically ahead with constellations. Constellations have been mid for the most part (with a few exceptions of course, but even then most of the ones past C2 were pretty mid) until Fontaine. I don't think constellation powercreep is nearly as much of an issue as long as the "base C0 arena" is relatively even because that is what Hoyo is balancing everything around.
I would struggle really hard to name another game or gacha that handles powercreep as well as Genshin has thus far, so overall I'm really satisfied.
*Looks at the "Dreams"* ... Nope: Clorinde isn't powercreeping Raiden.
Go home, Jello: you're drunk.
*[**13:19**]* Raiden enables entire teams and rotations with her Energy generation, so it isn't _cope_ to say that she isn't getting powercrept even if a new unit does bigger Damage Per Screenshot than her, as her teams will _certainly_ rotate and play better.
Clorinde play aggravate teams that have all their energy need handle by fischl and nahida of her dps is higher than raiden than she is gonna be straight up better especialy since raiden is never the best option in most team she is slotted in (appart from her hyper carry since she is the only electro character using that team better than aggravate and sometime in hyperbloom) (for electro app fischl or yae for rational Childe is just better and allow to fit kazhua also he compete in speedrun against whale even at c0 for overload fischl a4 give more to the team) raiden is good when your f2p and don't have much teams allowing you to make more or when you have c2/c3 r1 for the hypercarry nukes otherwise there are sidegrade/equivalent option/ better option
raiden is not an dendro option if not an em skillbot
So if clorinde in dreams is 15% more dps than c0 raiden it’s not that great
I mean it's up to you to upgrade your Raiden to c2 avoid power creep
Jello: "genshin impact has often been praised"
enviosity: "i should be the only mf being praised"
💀
Just got arlchino but i started Fontaine archon quests yesterday. So how to get boss materials...pls help
Except for neuvilette i actually dissagree with this opinion tbh. At c0 certainly not liney navia wrio arle at c0 aren’t better than the past characters. Ofc considering cons powercreep is a real thing c1 c2 of the newer units are busted
I’m still pulling kokomi.
So is Clorinde worth it if i already have a C2R1 Raiden? I don't feel like investing in another Electro or Pyro character aside from the Archon and Sovereign. And i only pull cons for Archons so im only going to bother with Clorinde if she's somehow way better than my C2R1 Raiden at C0R0.
No, as of now, Raiden c2 is better. So you don't need to pull clorinde unless you like her.
Tbh you don’t really need Clorinde. C2r1 Raiden fulfills a hyper carry role on top with what she already does at c0. From what I seen with Clorinde, she’s just a pure electro dps. Raiden offers energy battery as well as increasing her team’s burst damage.
I can't hear the word "praised" without bursting out in laughter lol
I like the fact that Arle is very strong because she has a catch she can't be healed which mean you intentionally lower her potential damage with shielders or being really good at the game
in contrast, I don't like the fact that Nuvi is really strong because there's no real restriction for him, and he is easy to play, this kind of power creep I don't like, and I think it's a bad design
I mean technically Raiden is a very different playstyle than Clorinde since Clorindes gonna be the 3rd 5* electro DPS after Yae and Cyno and shes has far different playstyles than these two.
I only use Raiden on an EM build so idk if clorinde is going to be for me.
The Knave, Clorinde, the blue carebear and Seethos are characters that I will never wish for.
Honestly, looking at the way Genshin is designed I think any power creep will be temporary because they have a built in safety with an A7 ascension talent when they raise the level cap to 100 and skill cap to 15. I mean it would fit the pattern that they have used, it would be silly not to use it to balance the characters back out. They can resolve any issues with the characters, create new metas, and get sales on old characters with one single change. Pretty sure it's been the plan all along.
nop. 15 cap is for things like events.
Arle can get Autos to 13 with C3 and 14 with Childe on team. 15 is just a cap for events that give extra levels to talents like we had before. Genshin will never raise the cap to 100
@@olchum7605 soooo never, right? Lmao
tbh i higly doubt clorinde could powercreep raiden, beceause just one fact. clorinde will be just probably a dps l, while raiden not only is a dps but a sub dps,eneable and support at the same time.
1 million% pulling Chlorinde. Loved the design since day 1. And she clearly is going to have a high power level
GOOD. The power creep makes it easier for me to decide whether the new character is worth pulling for or not.
Natlan bouta powercreep the powercreep 💀.
I got Raiden for my Eula team and I'm trembling with fear of what Cloride will be capable of
with the info we have now of her, she won't be replacing raiden, she is not a battery lol
Clorinde absolutely won't have Raiden's support utility
She can disinfect your water
I dont think Eula can be used with Chlorinde like Raiden can. If she could I would drop Raiden immediately and grab Chlorinde but it looks like she won't provide any kind of support like Raiden.
thanks for the videos
Honestly the abyss is pretty much always easy enough most of the time to the point where it doesnt really matter if something has been “powercrept” or not, I really do wonder if the dreams of 4.7 will lead us to a point where certain characters will be basically required to clear, tho I heavily doubt it
Finally ive been waiting
Same
The thing with powercreep in genshin is that its not really powercreep if u can still beat abyss with old chars. Like ayato can still clear even tho neuvi is out. And comfortably too.
I don’t agree with this. Maybe you could say that the powercreep doesn’t matter, but it’s definitely powercreep by definition
Honestly, only ayato and Albedo got powercreeped. That's it
@@JelloImpact I'm pretty sure that's what they meant, the concept of powercreep quite literally does not matter; yet it happens but that doesn't make any less of a change.
It’s not like a pvp game where power creep makes things obsolete
@@JelloImpact the concept of powercreep usually means youre pushed to pull for new units in a way that old ones just arent relevant and cant get you through, genshin balances this by that not being the case and i am fine with it, at one point it simply has to happen and its been like 3 y now
I definitely agree that Fontaine has brought powercreep to genshin, and we still have Natlan, snezhnaya, and khaneri’ah
I'm curious what will they do with Natlan, since we have many good pyro characters already..
For Snezhnaya, they probably will make them related to crit or something, and maybe physical too, dunno..
“Get the new characters when they’re your favorites” FR!!! I love Koko sooo much- and yeah i know sigewinne is probably just going to be her but better- but i dont careeee- sigewinne will definitely have more reruns after her first so im gonna keep saving for kokomi no matter what🙏
plus i’d like to know sigewinne as a character more before i dump 180 wishes on her lol
you dont have to worry about sigewinne being better than kokomi currently tbh, save for the koko queen shes based as hell
sigewinne, so far, is kokomi downgrade. so you don't need to worry, kokomi has more utility and more build choices. save for her.
@@chaluver will do 🫡
You mention HSR but not HI3. That game had egregious amounts of power creep. Try clearing abyss with Miko Sakura, hah. Good luck with that.
I won't mind this level, so long as I can clear abyss with older units. I have been clearing Abyss with Althaitham hyperbloom since his release.
And the worst part is, its hard to make an alt account, especially when some of thr staple 4 star characters are locked behind limited banner rng. So, You can't hit the redo button (or at least, its really hard to)
this video is making me think that the pyro archon could be straight up powercreep to bennet. which would be crazy
they seem to like making the archon the most poweful character of their element at the time of release which makes me wonder how theyre going to make the pyro archon better than bennett, xiangling, and arlecchino lol
Personally I expect the pyro archon to combine Bennett's and Xiangling's kit so that you have a character with atk buffing which (follows you around) as a burst and pyro application comparable to Xiangling as the skill
Probably wouldn't have healing though to keep it at least somewhat balanced
There's a lot of thing hoyo can play with. Examples: if natlan enemy much much more aggressive and high damage dealer we might get shielder that return and multiply the damage being done to us. I hope natlan is nation of godly support and natlan will be another hypercarry dps. We also waiting for off field pyro dps and bennet replacement.
I want a Yelan-version of Bennett with significantly more buffing and no healing. And no circle impact pleeeeease
Being absolutely fair to you, Jello, I don't think most of the characters you said were powercreep are actually powercreep. Besides Neuvillette and Arlecchino, it seems most characters are just sidegrades.
The feeling is better just because we have been getting less downgrades, like Dehya or Cyno. But even then we got some characters that do not feel that great, like Wriothesley and Chiori. It's just that we really got some really strong dps characters that are meta defining. But at this point, Nilou and Alhaitham were that at Sumeru.
The fact that Nevi power creep everyone and yet the owned rate is only 50% (from the abyss usage chart) proves player don't always pull for power.
My theory on this was that because we're getting towards the last regions of the game, the game level in general is going to change; enemies, bosses, etc etc (also, one is a dragon and the other the 4th harbinger). And that's why we're getting these more powerful characters (who knows what will happen after that, maybe there'll be a level cap increase or talent level cap increase or something). That said, I personally hope that they don't just keep powercreeping characters with every patch, I have always kinda liked the fact that Genshin is an "accessible" game, that you don't "need" the newest and the best character all the time and you can play pretty much the way you want with a variety of different teams and characters.
2:49 Inazuma (Sumeru) ^^
You have a point with the 5*s, but Im gonna strongly disagree as a low spend player with the 4* argument. Every region apart from Mondstadt has 4*s that require high constellations to be truly useful. No 4* has managed to powercreep Bennet/Sucrose/Fischl/Xingqiu/Xiangling. Theyre still at the core of almost every viable team. Theyre still broken.
Broken indeed
It’s sad how they’re absolutely ruining Clorinde with the 8.5s of downtime, essentially locking her to Thundering Fury, they increased her downtime out of practically nowhere.
1. They didn't ruin her, you haven't even played her yet.
2. There's a lot of speculation that she will lead into a dual dps meta in Natlan, in which case she'll be amazing and I can't wait for everyone who skips her to cry more.
Power creep❌
Lore accurate ✅
That's why an archon will be weaker than a duelist
huohuo did not powercreep luocha anywhere. (clear times are faster on Luo on avg)
she is a sidegrade at most.
Avent pc-ed at most Gepard.
Ruan Mei is an entirely different kind of support than the others we have. Sparkle also did not pc her at all. they are once again entirely different.
and Robin won't powercreep RM at all, RM gives way different buffs.
Huhuo gives dps, energy and aoe cleanse. You are actually smoking if you think huo huo is a side grade to luocha. Luocha cant keep up with debuff cleansing vs stuff like new cocolia introduced in next patch who freezes 3 characters in 1 turn.
Sparkle massively powercrept bronya due to high SP positivity with few exception of teams like blade or jingliu who themselves are not SP hungry.
@@olchum7605 that cleanse is not AoE my man, I see genshin players still can't read.
like, read the ethereal metaflow desc pls.
I don't think he really keeps up with Star Rail or its meta much, it's really isn't that different if we compare 3.6 to 2.2 HSR in terms of power creep considering that is about the same amount of character releases since HSR has a faster schedule.
Warning for those who are against "dreams" there's mention of beta content below:
As of now in the beta, Clorinde is a side-grade to Raiden in terms of damage and doesn't have the IR that Raiden does or the flexibility of off-field hyperbloom driver or the energy regeneration and burst-buffing that Raiden brings as well. Clorinde will be easier to build because she gives herself a lot of crit rate through ascension and her passive. There's a decent possibility she becomes stronger through the beta due to this, but right now she's a bit of an overall downgrade.
Sigewinne is also just straight up mid at this point too.
baizhu also buffs all dendro reactions
Hyperbloom still slaps the abyss if you know what your doing. Fontaine chars definitely have QoL and more damage uptime. But depends on how you play to be honest.
But you have to ask , have they made the enemies mechanically challengeing and given these chars a playground to show their true power level ? I think not. In star rail , they keep adding endgame to keep pace and demonstrate these units.
Clorindes damage actually is the exact same a c0 to c2 for raiden😂 if you already have raiden she's literally a easy skip
Poor childe doesn't even get any recognition 🥲
Ikr? I'm still mad
One of the best videos breaking down powercreep, thank you mr jello :)
If i don't get a main dps ctalyst sciaman in Natlan i'm gonna cry
I would argue it really is only the past 2 units of Chiori and Arlecchino that have seriously expressed straight powercreep, considering they have direct role overlaps with previous characters not just in role identity, but also team identity. They are even functionally similar in gameplay to their predecessors Albedo and Hu Tao. Like if I were to be a bit cynical, Chiori and Arlecchino kind of felt like "we're running low on ideas, let's do what worked in the past and make it hit harder", their gameplay designs feel very recycled whereas a lot of the other units (even Neuvillette) introduced their own unique brand of gameplay that we haven't really experienced before in Genshin. So I think it's not so much Fontaine as a whole, but really just 4.5 and 4.6. Here's to hoping Clorinde doesn't straight copy what Raiden or Cyno does, or Sigewinne copying Koko, because then we would have a serious trend with direct powercreep lol.
The Difference between Genshin and Star Rail is that you can pretty much clear any Genshin content with any well built character and 1 to 2 supports, the content is very much varied and you always have things to do ingame. As for Star Rail, I would argue that the meta is much more rigid and strict. And even if Honkai Star Rail has more characters in one year than Genshin in the same time span, It's still less varied in terms of team builds.
Most hsr character are locked in the playstyle they were given topaz fua acheron dps ect meaning team variety will be lower while on genshin diluc can play retro burgeon plunge or old school(1.0 vape diluc) or rizzley can play freeze reverse melt or mono cryo one character can have 3 or 4 different team with different purpose since genshin is an action rpg while hsr is turn based limiting variety a lot (also why charcter like aventurine and Robin are releasing they have multiple playstyle both are support that can be dps)
My brother in weeb games, you are trying to compare two different game genres here. Also i honestly don't get this "things you can always do" part. Are you talking about making different teams and character builds ? Because other than that i don't see anything else you can do. For me last 3 patches was basically cycle of logging in, doing daily quests, wasting resin in hope for 50 cv piece and then logging out with occasional events and abyss resets in-between.
I disagree mostly because Genshin has more strict team requirements due to elemental immunities and shields which HSR has none of, just resistances which are mostly 20-30% at most hence why people brute force Jingliu into non ice weak enemies. There's just rare exceptions like the Ice Golem dude thats like 60% resistant. If Genshin didn't release extremely busted 4 stars on release I genuinely think it would be a much, much harder game. There's also no resonance so you see more variety in team builds in HSR
Well i have a question .. is powercreep a problem if the difficulty level of the abyss is still the same ??
No. There's a reason why I only have Furina as my one Fontainian 5-star, because all other 5 stars are easily skippable for those playing for a long time.
Current beta clorinde really ain't powercreeping anyone💀