Top Five WORST Characters In Genshin Impact
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Hydro MC was the hardest hit for us MC mains. At least Geo is seeing use thanks to Furina and Noelle, plus Electro has use. Dendro is still a great sub-DPS and support unit for meta.
Even anemo has some degree of CC but hydro yeah,it literally has nothing. Mine's triple crowned and the dmg he deals is about one and a bit of Xinqiu's skill -_-
Yeah hydro MC was an insult to us. They nerfed him so badly to avoid a competition with Neuvillette.
And hydro does pew pew pew pew pew pew pew
Wtf does electro traveller do? 😂 Its just as bad as their hydro counterpart
Imo geo MC and Dendro MC are the only decent ones. Geo MC is a decent replacement for zhongli and albedo in geo teams, and dendro MC is dendro
let's not forget xinyan's element going against the only reaction that benefits physical dmg
I wouldn't blame fully on her element. I think it's the way they designed her.
Her burst mostly fine but her skill is what really killed make it hard for PHY characters. Its pyro application is way too situational but it also disrupts with Superconduct reaction.
her being pyro prevents a lot superconduct reactions being triggered, something that benefits a lot in amplifying the physical dmg, even if u try putting really good electro and cryo applicator in one team.
ngl i’m starting to think they’re purposely giving darkskin characters shit kits
@e5364 Well cyno isn't dogshit if you know how to play him correctly. His long ult helps many situations in the abyss. However that long ult disappears when he is switched out, making him a very inconvenience against small enemies. He is bad in exploration as there are many small and weak enemies that die too fast from cyno's ult, wasting his energy greatly. However, with many of his cons, he has seen a quite glow-up with the addition of furina, being a good consistend hydro applier for his long ult. But overall, his playstyle is tricky and bring inconveniences to many people
Dehya is still dogshit even with fontaine's addition. However she improved a bit if you put her with lyney and neuvi teams, because she provides a resistance to interruption so lyney and neuvi can have more dps time and not interrupted as well as decent pyro applications. But, she doesn't have a buffing kit making her fall behind bennett in terms of team's dmg output.
Candace is mid because there are many other supports that are better than her unless you want to play a hydro infused dps from candance such as hydro keqing and budget c6 furina
Xinyan is a total dogshit due to her irrelevance of her being a pyro physical user, pyro doesn't provide anything for physical and instead ruin it. Superconduct and shatter reactions, these that benefit physical dmg, is ruined by pyro and her pyro application. Unless xinyan is played as a pyro dps with the support of c6 bennett but her dmg output is still mid anyway
@@danish2.012cyno is white
Hydro traveler feels like trying to fight with a water gun. Not even a super soaker, im talking the 99 cent ones you find at dollar tree.
that’s generous honestly
Atleast it's not like playing Electro traveler.
Dehya dodged this list incredible. Thx hydro traveler for saving the dehya spot for you
Should have replaced qiqi on this list
Dehya clam build
Dehya can work in a burgeoning team with Neuvilette at least. And we know how OP Monsieur Neuvilette is
@@xenoemblem7 neuvilette is an entire team by itself, dehya is just there making that vaporize and maybe not let neuvilette being interrupted lol.
her role in neuv and lyney teams rly saved her im guessing (and chev). she’s also arguably the best in underwater combat bc she’s the only automatic self-healer (not that underwater combat is that relevant tho)
we know mihoyo did ningguang dirty since day 1 say what needs to be said good sir
Good news is she still has some use cases thanks to Fontaine releases. Never the best choice, but also never bad.
Granted, she'll need Cashflow, 4P Hunter/Whispers, and Bennett & Furina to work (with a 2nd Geo for the resonance, likely GMC or Gorou); but the potential is there for a quickswap Geo team. At the theoretical max investment her damage per rotation is 1.3mil, so assuming 50% BiS being around 600-800k that's actually not terrible.
Yes it really sucks too because she has one of the coolest designs and was an interesting concept
the only purpose u need amber is to shoot the fire monument that is far, except u have yoimiya
Funnily enough, her main relevant use now (outside of playing her for fun) is for buffing and enabling high investment/optimization Hu Tao VV-vape speed running team stuff (she enables the pyro swirl, quickly procs Elegy and Instructor, gives Pyro res, and at C6, an attack buff).
i wanna pull yoimiya just to replace amber in exploring.
Don't forget Lyney
Ningguang was a 5* but got nerfed badly into a 4*.
Yet she's in charge of several five stars
I believe in such a weird flex for a 4-star have authority to many 5-stars, Ningguang and Candace fits the bill here.
She is trash
I'm lowkey tired of people saying this so: no she wasnt a 5 star, we have plenty of awesome 4 stars that didn't get nerfed.
Also no she doesn't rule over any 5 stars besides Yelan, she's part of the Qixing which means she's on the same level as Keqing.
Zzz.. rumors with no credible source.. zzz..
If Genshin did what Star Rail did where they released 5 star versions of their 4 star counterparts, Ningguang definitely deserved to be one. It just really baffles me that the person who saved the entirety of Liyue was just a 4 star.
But maybe Navia is a 5-star counterpart of Ningguang, they have backloaded damage, needed a certain condition to max it out, both of them excels single target and scales atk.
Its clear as day that the scalings mattered a lot to determine the usability of an On-field DPS and the ease of use playstyle.
@@neilgondra73795 star Kaeya?
@@KorinIta Hard to say, his kit is very simple and many units can do his job with something more to the table. The one thing makes him unique is his C2 for every kill adds duration up-time for his burst,
But if your thinking about his base kit alone, having cryo-app that is not circle impact, and can also heals himself with his skill. Well, Qiqi says hi, but thats a whole different story.
@@neilgondra7379 have you done Caribert?
Ningguang didn't do it a lone she more of a enabler for other
Xinyan was doomed from the start and she didn't deserve it
She has such a cool design (one of my favourite in the game), nice personality, relatable backstory, great music theme... I love her (I even named my cat after her)
Just why, Hoyoverse, why
cuz she's bla-
Tbf she was released when Hoyoverse still clueless with their own game.
@@gxgardenterprise9705I know you're joking, but then I remembered Dehya so...
I'll just leave that alone. Coincidence, I'm...sure...
@@Ethonra candace too
nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh its not a coincidence at all@@Ethonra
Geo should have different reactions, most of them provide a shield, hydro and geo could slow a target, with anemo could create the same effect as the mud attack from the treasure hoarders, it blinds the opponents, with dendro it spreads seed so it also gives a way to react to pyro, electro, with pyro it could create magma, and with electro it could give the party a speed boost or reduce the electro damage you take
Hmm, how would blinding work? I'm interested to know.
Reminder that Geo is Rock, Crystal, not Dirt. Its point and concept is that it crystalises, it nullifies, arrests the elements. To have it be dissolved in water, melted by fire, corroded by wind, broken by roots makes it... not strong.
@@plvto1 basically the winds break down Geo to make sand and dust.
@@plvto1Like Tighnari E probably
yeah, NO. That's ridiculous and a bunch of cope. the only thing they need to do is change Crystallize's properties, like giving each type of elemental Crystal a different buff. Pryo gives a 10% Attack Buff, Hydro heals some HP or increases it temporarily, Electro restores energy or increases ER temporarily, Cryo increases Crit Rate, Dendro increases EM etc.
12:38 Unrelated but 100% honest C6 Lisa is one of the best units in the entire game. But try getting C6 for Lisa, it's already an unbeatable challenge.
Been buying the starters' constellations from Paimon's Bargains, and alongside standard banner luck, my Lisa is now C4~
I have C6 Lisa, what teams do you recommend for her to shine best?
@@notebookofmath nahida obviously, but she also works well with dendro traveller, xinqgio venti or jean if you lay their bursts on top of each other, kokomi.
Here for the Lisa love, best Witch in Teyvat and my main since i started. C4 cos i used my masterless glitter on wishes for C2 nahida
i have lisa C6 lvl 90 and she stills sucks tbh next to other options
As a qiqi main I’ll never not stop hearing she’s the worst but that’s fine I’ll let my qiqi clear the abyss for me until there’s a room that just doesn’t like her ( idk when that will be ) but I’ll be waiting 😂.
tbh Qiqi still feels like the best coop-healer; u just use your burst and as everyone is hitting the enemy and creates particals, your Qiqi recharges fast enough, can apply another talisman via NA and heals with every hit (sacrificial sword makes her healing uptime 100%)
but the best part about Qiqi is how well her character is designed;
she is a zombie after all
rigor mortis -> slow movements
preservation -> cryo
brain rot -> notebook as open world passive
I understand that her kit can't compare to the top for a long time now, but she still carried my team for the first year of Genshin
Oh fellow Qiqi main, 3xcrowned Qiqi is just best in whole game. no matter what some guys think
I am one of these 10% Hu Tao enjoyers that love the little Zombie Adeptus, I wish I get her mommy Dehya is waiting for you
qiqi can actually be saved by a char just dealing damage based on overheal, and him not being locked at 100%HP, but creating an extra 100%HP bar above his health that is just overheal. Qiqi's ultimate would just heal too much if at the end of this chars ultimate it exploded with high multipliers, it would be insane.
I predicted Amber to be here, I love her personality but man who thought of her kit and let it slide. I wish they at least made her more useful, Hoyo really hates her
She is a version 1 character who you get for free, she was never going to be meta
Kaeya and Lisa are also free and they dont suck as much as Amber does
@@lyebatenkaitosofgluttony2452 Xiangling??
@rule605 And Barbara. Barbara is kind of a beast....
@@skillzhub9526 xiangling is an off fielder and amber is an on fielder tho
8:20 you're looking at it wrong. The traveler's elemental powers don't mimic the archons of the respective element, they mimic the respective dragon sovereigns' powers. Hence why traveler's finger gun pew pews water droplets when compared to Neuvillette's Hydro Pump.
I feel like it's based more on who holds the authority at the time. Because the archons hold dragon authority (a large fraction, it seems) the Traveler mimics how they and the sovereigns use that power with the ratio leaning more on sovereigns. My reason of why Hydro Traveler is so similar to Neuvillette with source water droplets is because there's no catalyst (archon) between the sovereigns and the element sponge (traveler) so Neuvillette is directly lending them his power instead of through, say, the statue of the seven/archon. That's just my interpretation though
And you are basing this on what exactly?
@@MyVanir Based on the story- hopefully you're caught up and didn't skip the dialogue
@@MyVanirI mean you can also see it with the Apep and Azdaha fights in how their attacks or environments really resemble the traveler's skills.
@@MyVanir its common sense. hydro mcs attacks are based on neuvillette since we know neuvillette becomes the ''archon'' of fontaine at the end.
amber main reporting in
Amber has the most intensive pyro application in the game.
it is a small burst but dammmm does it apply pyro like there's no tomorrow.
And she is S-tier for exploration - about 90% of the gameplay. On top of this she is pleasant. No annoying sound effects, no obnoxious voice lines and no questionable design.
She's good just requires a lot of investment and some constellations, which I've been playing since 1.0 and literally only have her C1 so I applaud anyone who was lucky enough to get her C6
@@schlafesbruder7625 the censors removed her buttcheeks in china.
@@ReleaseZeKrakken c4 atm.
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For ning, im surprised you didnt mention how she works okay WITH navia, because she takes up a small amount of field time for her combo. Also there is one team that capitalizes on ambers off field app, which is VV hu tao with amber on elegy. i dont really blame you for not mentioning that one tho
Albedo already takes that niche and is far better than her at that role you'll get her stacks in basically no time
@@abdiabdi3225 well, yes, but you can still play her that way, it may not be as good as albedo but if you don't have albedo then it's ok. Flat out ignoring it and comparing Ning to navia is a bit unfair to Ning imo
@@abdiabdi3225 Too bad he's a mid limited 5* who no longer has access to his best weapon.
@@abdiabdi3225 The thing is that Albedo is a 5* which means you'll be spending primos on his banner just so you can give Navia a battery when you could've just used Ningguang or even geo MC.
it's true, also mentionning it's a competitively close to Albedo, while a character like Kaveh isn't in any competition (Nilou Bloom obliterates him, and Alhaitham/TIghnari/Nahida obliterates him in the Spread department)
Tbf the biggest problem with Qiqi is only her obnoxiously long cooldown as her energy regen can be somewhat negated with an R5 Favonious Sword.
It sucks because she does have a use and her healing is more than sufficiant but in her case it's just a matter of there being better options sadly.
I prefer to have her use Sacrificial Sword and Ocean Hued Clam, then pair her with Beidou, Xingqiu, or anyone else that needs a driver since she's got pretty fast normal attacks and a huge base defense to let her take hits between healing tics.
Honestly though, Vars was incorrect in claiming that Qiqi did not benefit by Furina. She may not be as good as other characters for the 'on-feild team healer' role when they are also fulfiling another important function in the team, but that doesn't change that the entire role has become much more valuable with Furina, to the point that you can make reasonable teams even with healers that do nothing other than enable Furina.
Considering that it does make it harder to justify Qiqi there when we have Kaveh lol.
I made my QiQi work.
My team was Raiden, Nahids, QiQi and Xinqui.
Basically use Raidens skill, Nahidas skill + burst, Xinquis skill + burst and then Qiqis skill + burst followed by Raidens burst.
You are basically immortal for all of Raidens burst and she ensures Qiqis burst is up 100% of the time.
Using R5 Amenoma Kageuchi on QiQi and use a full Noblesse set on her.
Whenever the rotation doesn't work out I use everyones skill then just use QiQi on field to heal and regen energy from the particles generated by the others
The cooldown is bad, but can be fixed with an R5 Sacrificial Sword to have basically 100% uptime. And this also helps with her energy needs, if you have her C1.
The real issue with Qiqi is that she heals, and that's it. No particle generation. No offensive buff. Not good on the cryo application front either. And since plenty of other healers provide things besides healing, while still healing enough (and freaking 3 of them are also cryo), it is to be expected that she doesn't get used much.
Qiqi is actually so good in coop. When I played in coop with randoms we always died easily and she was the best at keeping the team alive. There is no healer as good in coop as her because she heals a ton, can heal a whole party at once and you don't have to stay in the same spot to get healed (like with kokomi's skill, bennett ult, diona ult). Whenever someone brought her to coop we finished boss or any other domain without any issues and for this reason only I believe she has her uses and her kit is good enough as there is really no better coop healer then her (at least with random people where noone can dodge lol)
Barbara w her hydro app still clears
Ning is old mordekaiser of genshin. Too much bugs and clunky things in her kit
She is more like old Aurelion. Both have stellar designs (pun intended), both are incredibly powerful in lore, but both do colossal amounts of damage yet clunky to play. I say this as a former Aurelion main and current Ningguang main.
Lisa is pretty clunky also.
@@ponderingfox yes but Lisa as a support isn't that bad. That's why she's not in this video or mentioned
@@moonlightskyler7620 She is bad. He already has a video on why no one plays her. She’s just not bottom five bad. She’s clunky, hard to get useful cons for, etc.
and klee is lee sin
Good thing Genshin is an open world game, so even the worst characters still have a place in the game for those who just want to use them to explore the world, whereas in most other Gachas the worst characters never see the light of day.
Because the game itself is super easy and has no challenging content?
Best thing about other gacha is they got buff and find theit own niche. In genshin they just keep get powercrept both in number and fun gameplay
@@cartoonvideos5 that's how most people cope with trash characters like qiqi, amber, nin, and so on. If mihoyo started to lock in and gave actual challenging content instead of dmg sponges, they would finally admit they are garbage.
@@zeer7676 Very true
@@zeer7676why does it matter if their good or bad if people want to use them let people play them in peace
I haven't even unlocked Hydro Traveler so I thought they were at least decent based on Electro and Dendro being usable.
Uff you'll be surprise, he is even worse than bárbara in hyperbloom teams
@@cleod7439Is Barbara really that bad in Hyperbloom teams?
@@JoacoG11 no she's actually a decent driver, yeah there are better ones but she's serviceable.
Xinyan would probably be more viable if she were electro instead of pyro and scaled either off def or atk but not both
The funniest thing about Mika is that he's designed to be a physical buffer and I have only ever used him to buff normal attack catalyst
I agree 100% hydro traveler is objectively bad, that being said as the dedicated traveler main I am I have made it viable to clear most abyss floors.
I use Furinas sword on him, Golden troupe set and pair with Zhongli, Venti and Bennet.
The idea is you use bennets burst, Ventis burst and then use hydro travelers skill to shoot the crap out of the floating enemies.
It wil never beat a other 5 star but the Damage is not useless.
If you put that level investment into Neuvilette, he will solo clear that same floor. It's just a sad reality that not all characters are created equal. But good work, Traveler main, keep up the hustle.
bro did the impossible just to prove a point, a commendable effort
@@Blackoutdmc that's BS. neuvillette isn*t THAT great either. you get the same dmg output with wanderer and a decent build. while wanderer shoots even higher. hydro traveler with a good built can make high physical hits in between while neuvillette depends on burst or skill. traveler is amazing and in EACH element if you build them on crit dmg. I play physical traveler and each charged hit is 20k plus elemental dmg and you don'T need any otherteam member, and OP here made a goood build (even tho I disagree with the team since I would never put bennet in my team hahaha and I don't play with team comps since my venti is also fully solo dps) but the point is NO genshin character is "bad". you just find them" bad".
to me xiao is the worst character and other find him great. but if you say xiao is bad people ask "why?" but if all collectively decide qiqi, traveler, aloy, dehya is bad then nobody asks why. but if you say it's good there are stupid comments like "bruh why not invest in a good char instead?" hahaha so stupid. but toxic genshin fandom for you
@@glasperle77
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@glasperle77 I never said Wanderer was bad. I didn't say Xiao was bad. I never accused any character of being bad. In fact, I have both characters, and naturally, I can clear abyss with both. So I understand that you may be frustrated there are better units than your personal favorites.
I only deal in facts. And here is a fact:
c0 Neuvilettes can solo a side of abyss. Because it has been done on NUMEROUS occasions. It is a fact that
"Not all characters are created equally." That's why people use Fischle over electro traveler, and Kuki over Dori, and Hu Tao over Diluc.
And it's a fact that Hydro traveller's is cheeks. And I'm sorry if that offends you.
You're free to have your own opinions about the matter of course, but don't let it come to the point of being completely delusional.
am i going insane or was that danganronpa music at the end
Its daganronpa music thruought bro. The music all thru this video is from one of the games (altho I can't find which one lmfao)
Edit: after relentless searching for 14 minutes, it is "beautiful dead" from dr1.
It is indeed danganronpa music so im not just going insane
It's making me feel nostalgic ngl
OMG YOURE RIGHT I DIDNT NOTICE
I think hydro MC was greatly underpowered for the sole reason that because you unlock them so late into the game, there is was no need game progression-wise to make them viable at all. Compared to the other versions:
Anemo MC is your 1st character ever and your main source of reaction dmg so atleast they were made useable so the player learns the basic game mechanics especially skill/burst and swapping though the team to enable reactions
Geo MC was one of the the player's 1st introductions to the geo element especially if they haven't yet used the gacha system (my 1st pull happened in the middle of the 2nd archon quest for example) and not only was they a good sub dps, their skill both helped in exploration and some puzzles in liyue needed a geo construct tobe done and without geo MC, if you didn't pull a zhongli for example you would have been basically locked behind that part of map exploration. (One of the few praises I can give mihoyo is how every puzzle in genshin is f2p friendly/doable)
Electro MC, while an underwhelming step compared to the pervious one, atleast introduces the element's relationship to energy which tbh maybe quite a stretch that a player who reached inazuma didn't get any other electro character other than lisa and therefore did not organically learn about that. But more than makes up for it being one of the best electro batteries in the game.
Dendro MC is the prime example of my rant. Because in ver 3.0 they were the first introduction for dendro for both veterans and new players (Collei was also there but honestly for an element that lives on rapid reactions, she was too slow of an dendro applier tobe a good showcase for it), dendro MC was in my opinion overpowered as mihoyo was over pushing the dendro element and having a character that everyone has (and probably already leveled) was a very good advertisement for it making many players leave their comfort zones, trying, later loving and more importantly pulling on the new element.
Hydro MC was not only obtainable in mid-late game, but because hydro is such an reaction friendly element I believe every genshin player has atleast tried it quite a bit before reaching fontaine (freeze/vape/electro-charged..etc) and dont forget barbara being everyones 1st healer. Hydro MC only job was to showcase the pneuma ousia mechanic with lynette and the HP draining kit that many fontaine characters have and therefore there was no need for mihoyo game progression-wise to make them (a free character) viable at all. Which honestly sucks for all traveler mains because if my yapping is true, pyro MC will be the exact same.
TLDR: because Hydro MC doesn't teach you anything new, they were made as shitty as possible
Edit: A fellow traveller showed me how good electro MC really is in being a battery.
"goodish Electro battery" nothing, Electro Traveller is arguably the second best battery in the entire game, and their moveset is basically Electro Xingqiu, but with buffs/charges based on Energy and ER% rather than HP. Plus, unlike the Raiden Shogun, their Burst actually does work with Beidou's.
@lnsflare1 Honestly I didn't know. Thank you for informing me gonna fix it now
I always feel like saying “Might as well use X character” is a mute point in Genshin. What makes a “bad” unit in Genshin is really just how difficult they are to set up and use
11:27 the only use case scenario i ever found for amber is to use 4 piece instructor set for VV vape hutao with kazuha, no other units can pull off removing yelans hydro app to trigger a reaction and have enough pyro app to use kazuhas swirl, and all of that in under 3 seconds
Plus there's also that bow that gives you a buff or something whenever you deal burst dmg, and her burst has a lot of instances of dmg.
Elegy of the end, yeah i know but dont have it else she'd be giving 220em instead of just 120p
Yep lol. It bothered me when he said "only there's not a single team that capitalizes on Amber's type of application."
It is a high investment/optimization speedrunning team, but still very much a team. I think the thing that really sets her apart in that role though is that she can do that and hold Elegy. I believe that Bennett can technically enable the vape too, but he can't hold Elegy.
Probably less relevant now, but Amber's burst is the only way I know of to to vape all of Xingqiu's skill hits which actually makes it a pretty strong nuke. The only problem is that I doubt he is still the optimal high investment pick for that Hu Tao team so it is more of a cool trick than something you can integrate well into an optimal team.
@@kanoaikaim not quite talking about speedrunning but more of a meta/maxing out hu taos damage. I've tried bennet and its a lot harder to pull off.
Yeah now plunge is the meta for hu tao with furina but id advise yelan there as 2nd hydro, or even mona, since i struggle alo to keep hydro on enemies with just furina
She do decent job at destroying shields of large enemies. Very lore accurate, hah.. other than that though..
Vars you didnt talk about ningguang as a quick swap dps. She is really good with navia. Use ningguang burst and skill swap to navia burst skill and recycle.
Why are you trying to speak facts, we are only here to hear his ASMR entertainment video 😡
This I like Ning with Navia
Agreed, everyone forgets this.
The only issue is that this is one of her only viable teams.
The glaring omission of how much damage she can pump out in a short window, while instead talking like she's an greedy field time hog like Noelle, just shows a basic lack of understanding about the character.
Respectfully, Ningguang shouldn't be on this list. Candace doesn't even have a good role in any team, she should be there. Regarding Hydro mc, it may be underwhelming but holy shit is it a lot of fun. I built this team with mc, nahida, kuki, collei and i had a lot of fun in the overworld. Definitely not a viable character technically speaking but I have fun with hydro mc, unlike the other characters mentioned.
After playing since 1.0 started to play Amber just to feel things harder 😂
Since getting Gorou a couple weeks ago, and having C5 Yun Jin, I decided to try to make a Geo team centered around Ningguang. It's...well, it's the weakest team I've played in awhile, but it's hard to compare to Neuvillette, Alhaitham, Ayaka, etc 😅
Honestly, if Ningguang didn't have other problems I wouldn't even think her damage/element as being reason enough to be on this list. She can be a good quickswap or support, and can actually output pretty great DPS for a 4 star. Not on the level of actual meta carries of course but you don't need godlike artifacts/a 5 star weapon for her to do her job at an acceptable level like some other characters.
IMO her main problems are just... clunkiness in her kit. Her screen disappears if a fat enemy walks near it, her particle CD being so long impedes her ability to quickly generate mass particles despite her skill reset, her NA string is inconsistent and awful and it's really annoying to try and minmax her NA/CA combos. It all adds up to her actual gameplay being more frustrating than fun, regardless of her numbers.
If she was more fun mechanically I'd think she'd actually be a great character, and solidly mid tier. But mediocre numbers + feelsbad to play make her sadly close to unplayable for me.
yeah their point being " she bad bc she geo and dps" was so dumb
During the start If fontaine I was really exited to see what Furina's kit would be like seeing the hydro traveler. But then we see that he is a lot more like Neuvilliette than Furina.
After the archon quest, I suppose it was on purpose 😰😰😰
I used ningguang in mono geo team comp along with itto,zhongli and gorou. Although she might not be able to fill the demands of a main dps,she's great as a geo battery as well as a burst sub dps(mines C6). So although she might not be the strongest main dps or supporter,her burst dps is very hard to match in most instances.
Making this whole video without mentioning dehya is amazing lmao
She's so bad he forgot she exists 😂
even dehya has more use cases than the likes of Qiqi
😂@@DarkKnight_god
ngl she could've easily taken ningguang's place in this list.
Yeah. Which is instesting until you look at the other options. When Dehya does no Damage, at least she's a "Mid Pryo Applucator". The others in this video are just un unusable unless you wanna main them.
Ning Guang is not exactly an on-fielder that needs to stay long on field, same goes for Navia; both can be in the same team because they are playing quickswap style, and Ning can even buff geo damage for Navia. It's open screen, walk thru, burst, charge attack her jades, open 2nd screen, and then swap. No extended field time needed, you can swap to Navia/others.
Also same reason why Keqing and Tighnari can work together. Quickswap damage dealers don't need long field time.
Qiqi is just sad, the only healer I can't seem to make work with Furina.
Aloy - I feel that Chongyun, a 4* unit from 1.0 of all ppl, outclasses her.
I couldn't agree more. I was about to post the same thing. She is used as a quick swap sub-DPS/support on my geo teams a lot. Having her as an on field DPS isn't the only way to use her.
She definitely is an on fielder, she's designed to be main DPS. She just happen to also be able to work in quick swap team. She's also the second best 4 star main DPS.
About qiqi and furina.. I use qiqi in a hyper fridge team with furina. All she does is heal, drive, and do occasional dmg with clam, but it has been working so far. Definitely helps that hyperbloom is broken and Furina, nahida, and raiden do a lot of dmg by themselves though.
Disagree on Ningguang. She is the 2nd best 4 star main DPS unit behind gaming. Her hyper carry team dish out around 75k damage per sec on average in abyss (for example, this round of abyss floor 12 chamber 1, enemies has a total HP pool of 3.5mil and I clear in the range of 40-50sec, that's 70k-87k dps). She'll obviously be behind most 5 star main DPS's teams but she's definitely not the worst among 4 star main DPS.
But why would you use a 4 star main dps over better 5 star dps if you going for clear efficiency?
Not really? Some 4 star dps units that beat her is Yanfei, C6 Noelle, Gaming, Kaveh, Heizou and Beidou.
All of these units in their teams outdo ningyuans damage, while they lack her raw damage number on paper their effective DPS outdoes hers thanks to reactions which she can not use.
@@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn No? She has higher DPS than Yanfei, kaveh and heizou. Beidou is off field, not a main dps. and C6 noelle only out dps ning in floors with many enemies. Otherwise, C6 Ning will always out dps C6 Noelle
@@DG-mk2nr That wasn't even the point. My point is that Ning can't be worst when there are other 4 star main dps that does less damage than her. Not to mention Navia's release unlocked her quick swap option. And I clear abyss within 40-50 sec with Ning hypercarry team so it's not like I'm struggling.
@@drkInxgud Wrong.
A vape and Melt Yanfei out dps Ningyuan by miles.
Kaveh in a proper blooom and fridge team Out dps her if you count the bloom damage he sets off.
C6 Noelle with Gorou always out damages her becase she cant use gouou to even half his effect.
Heizou with C6 Faruzan >>>> Ningyuan.
Thats the point, the others have access to the broken elemental supports like Gorou and Faruzam and Yanfei has acces to the strongest reaction in both melt and vaporize.
Ningyuan does not get that because she scales off Atk exclusively so Gorou the main Geo Support does almost nothing for her while Noelle, Itto and Albedo benefit from him.
She can't get added benefits from bloom damage like Kaveh, can't benefit from vape or melt which almost doubles damage and can't bemefit from the elemental buffers that add crit damage, shred res and buffs the elemental damage.
Genshin is a game build off teamwork and reactions, Geo is the worst with reactions and needs higher damage numbers to compensate but because of her atk scaling she cant use the geo buffer like Heizou and Noelle can
Tbh i never understood why people hate on Ninnguang . I use her as burst sub dps, since tbh her burst locks on way more compared to others.
And I love Qiqi but i kind of agree with what Vars said, and sadly i think Debuffing might be what the cryo archon does.😭 i Hope we get a Qiqi signature weapon, in her Story quest thing. Cuz i use Amenoma on her 😅
Cluncky Play style, Doesn't do much damage. but she works well with Navia.
Most five stars are DPS, while Ning requires investment to realize her potential, including getting her cons. So people write her off before they ever really give her a chance. Also geo's lack of cool reactions hinders her. Ning is one of the stronger DPS four stars as far as direct damage goes, and brutal in the open world, but hampered by geo lacking useful synergy with other elements.
As a genuine Aloy and Traveler all elements main and triple crowner(yeah it was a painfully long process to triple crown each element) i wholeheartedly agree that hydro trav is trash.
-Anemo Trav is rlly bad but can at least CC to some degree.
-Geo Trav is horrendous because of how the constructs collision works and how 90% of the time they either block you somewhere with the invisible collision OR you climb on them but no1 can disagree the Geo Trav dmg is respectable.
-Electro Trav has piss poor dmg but is a rlly decent energy support for energy hungry character if you know how to use them.
-Dendro Trav. . . . . . need i say more? Come on DMC was the top dendro unit for quite a while until Nahida came out then Alkeqing and so on,for a couple of patches DMC was top tier dendro above all others and i can safely assure everyone as a Trav main who spend alot of time on each element Dendro is your best pick for the Trav to switch to and never change.
-Hydro Trav, godawful dmg,HP cost for the aforementioned dmg,lack of range and mobility while shooting and a more useless burst than the most useless thing related to Genshin ever created and that is the surveys that the devs always ignore anyway XD. Seriously tho the burst might aswel not exist,if anything the burst should just never be used,you never deal dmg with it and even if the whole universe aligns and you get 1 or 2 ticks of dmg out of it it's about 30% of what Xinqiu does when you tap his skill on an enemy
Still love Aloy and all Trav elements and i will triple crown the other 2 remaining elements too, they all are useable in open world which i do mostly cuz Abyss because boring and bad so after you clear all floor for a while it becomes like a daily chore but once every 2 weeks instead of a challenging thing so i found myself not doing it anymore for the past 2 months or so but for the casual content all characters including all the ones in this video are useable.
Hell yeah a lore accurate player (Aloy's mentioned to travel alongside the traveler occasionally, even offering to help in a final battle)
Don't forget that Geo Traveler generated a lot of Geo Particles and their Burst also buffs the party's Crit Rate.
The constructs of Geo traveler are great if you play with it in mind.
They are the best pair with Zhongli because their burst ignores the 3 construct limit, giving you better AOE on the pulses, more hits and ensures better tenacity set uptime without kiting, it gives 10% crit rate and generates a lot of geo particles aswell as decent damage.
My team is Zhongli, Geo traveler, Furina and C6 Noelle with hunter set
My traveler has the Noblesse set + Favonias sword for extra buffing and energy generation.
My Zhongli has Homa and Tenacity set so the pulses do massive damage and buffs the team.
Furina is self explanitory.
Noelee with the hunters set + travelers burst has a garunteed crit rate of 46% which makes building as much crit damage as possible extremely good while also batterying her so she doesn't need any ER at all.
Now all I have is Whitebind for her as F2P but if you had seprents spine or Ittos weapon it would be even more insane.
The constructs don't phase Noelle thanks to her Spin to win playstyle and insane range, no matter what you will be hitting someone while spinning
i also am aloy and traveler main with triple crowning (because I only crown who i think are worthy of becoming more powerful than all teyvat people and aloy - lets be honest- would be a mroe capable traveler lore wise- but i disagree with what you say. I think anemo traveler is the best because of not only the high dmg (30k each skill) , aoe and super short skill cooldown but also self heal, electro traveler is a BEAST while building physical traveler with 4 piece bloodstained and aquila.
Geo traveler is amazing IF they would have had auto aim with the comets since they also do 30k or more dmg each few seconds but again, this aiming and often missing is just annoying.
dendro is only good if you play with reactions and hydro is ok if you have a shielder.
the issue they do with traveler is that the CD of the skills are too long.
Amber is still bad and I agree, but I will say that I found out once you get c2, you can detonate her bunnies through overload. Of course you first have to apply electro and then swap to her and use her charged attack on the enemy, but it’s nice to know there’s a way to detonate her bunny without specifically shooting at its foot.
I didn't know I could do that, so thanks for pointing that out
yah. i have found some scary amber mains.
Funnily enough, her main relevant use now (outside of playing her for fun) is for buffing and enabling high investment/optimization Hu Tao VV-vape speed running team stuff (she enables the pyro swirl, quickly procs Elegy and Instructor, gives Pyro res, and the C6 attack buff).
so chevreuse was also an amber buff too?
@@Cajun_SeasoningNo, as her main team uses are in vape teams. Amber just doesn't add much in the types of teams that Cheveruse works in. That said, she could probably help for some Ambe showcases using non-physical Amber against enemies you can't swirl pyro on.
I still use Amber, I like taunts and at C4+ she has my favorite taunt. I use her far more than my C2 Hu Tao even, because taunt is utility/support while Hu Tao offers only damage.
Hear me out: Ningguang should have been a 5-star.
there only would’ve been one geo 4 star at launch though that would’ve sucked 😭
Yeah definitely. Make her the Standard Geo 5 star or Something.
@@calliope-greiiwe'd still have geo traveller for free
@@GenshinMobileGaming doesn't really count
@@Rainbow_Star_Blossom was meaning to reply to calliope about having 1 free geo unit at launch, I agree that Ningguang should've been a 5 star similar to the other de facto leaders of Teyvat (Jean, Alhaitham, Yae)
Ningguang is a great support character, since in addition to having the Geo boost, she generates tons of Geo particles, can equip either Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayers or Prototype Amber, and her extremely cheap Burst means that she can spam the Noblesse's or Exile's 4 piece set buffs on cooldown, assuming that you don't stick an Archaic Petra on her and buff your other party members' elemental damage by 40%.
no offense but first she can be decent support not great by doing the following you have mention and secondly all catalyst characters can be a healer or ttds😂.
Thirdly her burst losses half of her dmg if the construct gets destroyed and her geo particles and geo boost only work in geo teams where gorou can easily beat, the only team she is good are navia team where is just good but if you have zongli or furina ,she is just a bench character and b.t.w the supportive capability you have mentioned , she can onlydo one at a time her cheap cost burst wouldn't deal dmg if you give her ttds or amber.
@@soumitroy3437 She's the only Geo catalyst, so she's the only character who can proc Geo Resonance as well as use TTDS or Prototype Amber and Prototype Archaic at the same time, which is important with the new Navia (who scales off attack and so gets way less from Gorou than she does from TTDS) and Noelle teams. And if you have her using either of those you are using her as a support rather than a main DPS, so you don't care too much for the damage of her Burst, only that you are proccing it as often as you can if you have her on Prototype Amber, Noblesse Oblige, and/or Exile's End sets.
If you want her as a main DPS (which is not what my post is talking about) Nighttime Whispers just came out and is her Best in Slot (though Archaic Petra isn't bad, especially if you are running her with an Hydro/Pyro/Cryo/Electro off-field DPS to make up for her loss in personal damage), and weapons like Oathsworn Eye let's you easily spam her Burst on cooldown *without* reducing it's damage, and in that case you will be going Skill -> dash through Jade Screen -> Burst -> Charge Attack, so it's really unlikely that you won't have her Jade Screen available for that.
Ok but by then she’s doing zero dmg, and Petra is clunky af
@@simonditomasso9868 Again, I'm talking about her being a *support,* so her damage is meaningless. And Petra is super easy for her, since all she needs to do is hit any enemy who has a Crystalizable Element applied to them with literally *anything* in her kit, grab a crystal, and voila: +40% damage to your primary off-field DPS(es) while she has swapped out to avoid getting any other crystal by accident.
An issue with this video is that you don't look at it enough from a F2P perspective. Like, saying Amber is obsolete because Yoimiya and Lynie exist. But they're both limited units so people are more likely not to have them. Barbara is the only healer players are guaranteed to have, so Qiqi can be a much needed 2nd healer.
When I first got Hydro Traveler their kit seemed to me designed for the various Fontaine field puzzles (pea shooter to fill up the containers and such). But I keep them as geo anyways since extra footholds are much more useful in general.
Surprised Dehya isn't on the list. But maxing her HP to make her immortal is all kinds of useful. She won't die on Dragonspine, and I have a feeling Natlan will have high heat areas she will similarly trivialize.
@Xochi_Mictlan69 Maybe to an extent but food is limited by stock and fullness, while other healers are tied to cooldowns and energy requirements. Dehya can literally just stand there in Dragonspine and you don't have to do anything.
Vars forgetting about dori again, I would argue that both qiqi and ning are much much better than dori
Would love to see a part 2 of this vid.
I am surprised Dehya isn't here. Maybe because the list only goes to five instead of six.
I love Dehya. She looks awesome and beautiful, her personality is cool, her (in lore) fighting style is brutal. She has so much going on. But then when it comes to gameplay, she falls apart. I don't play as much as I used to, so if Dehya went from a literal 0/10 to a 5/10, I'd still say that's a success. Unless I missed some kind of Salvation Update, Dehya's kit is...an atrocity. It's so much worse than just simply being bad. Being bad can be serviceable because at least something, even if niche, comes out of it, like some of the characters on this list. Or even just character preference. I main Keqing because I love her lore and how she plays. She is so fun to play and is my favorite Electro character to play as despite having Raiden Ei. Even if there are better opinions, Keqing is still serviceable. Dehya... Dehya's kit feels like it was kit-bashed together to the point that it goes against itself. The truth really breaks my heart considering it is one of the few times I allowed myself to get hyped. I was looking forward to her ever since she was revealed. We didn't even know her weapon back then (or her name and Vision if I remember right), so it was a long time coming. They deliberately sabotaged her. I still hold onto my crackpot theory that Hoyo used Dehya as an experiment. "Will players spend money on a character that is functionally unplayable so long as said character is smexy?" You tell me.
Ngl, dehya should have replaced qiqi on this list, qiqi at least does something comparatively
@@lolidemon3163Exactly. Even if Qiqi is "the worst 5* in the game", she is still serviceable.
If you have no healer at all (I forgot about Barbara for a sec 🙄) and just started playing, she's great. Especially if you don't like Barbara or potentially freezing yourself at the worst possible time. I don't play for meta, I play for fun. So if I am using a majority ranged team, I would use Barbara. If I am using a majority melee team, I'd rather use a different Healer, even Qiqi, especially if I'm fighting ice enemies, just to lower the odds of being frozen, but that is just me. I don't enjoy seeing a Keqing-sicle. Sure, people may drop her for Kokomi or Barbara, but Qiqi is still serviceable. Even if I'm wrong about my playstyle, my point remains. Qiqi still has a job and can do that job well. Dehya...just... 😔
You guys love under rating dehya huh... She's literally usable in a neuvillette/lyney team
The saddest part about Dehya's kit is it _easily_ could have worked together with a few tweaks. Here's how: lower her Skill's CD to 6s and lengthen its duration to 18s, while increasing the frequency of her joint attacks from 2.5s to 1s (or even 1.5s). Next, make it so her damage mitigation is 100% (like a shield) and her interrupt resist is at shield levels and lasts for as long as you're in her field.
After that, make it so her Redmane's Blood scales with talent level, from 200% of her Max HP to about 400%. Then make it so her joint attacks gain a DMG bonus equal to a percentage of her current Redmane's Blood. When using her burst with the field active, she absorbs it and her Redmane's Blood and gets a _much_ larger percentage.
Then you make her burst a stance swap like Ayato (so it isn't canceled by dashing), with her punches increasing in speed the more you hold the attack button and with an 8s duration.
That's really all you've gotta do to dramatically improve Dehya, just some backend number fixes. The fact that they not only _didn't_ do that, but that their response to beta testers pointing out her flaws, was to _nerf her_, means it's really not a crackpot theory to say they deliberately sabotaged her.
@@yaemikoshandler is there anyone unusable at that point with em in that team? Neuv himself is a carry not so much dehya
My girl Xinyan will always be amazing and the best in my eyes. Being a dps yes, she’s not great at all, but she’s a great pyro shield if you build her right. I have over 3k defense and crowned her skill and not ONCE has it broke in abyss 12. You need to hit 3 opponents to get the best shield protection. but 2 is still great, and things can still be done with 1. People need to stop sleeping on her when she can do so much as a shielder or even a pyro applicator with her burst. I use her with Navia and even Lyney
even if that’s true, that doesn’t change the whole sentiment of “why choose her over anyone else”
zhongli provides the biggest shield and res shred, layla is the 2nd strongest shield and has great cryo application and damage, thoma’s shield is very strong if stacked and he’s the best character for burgeon, kirara has amazing dendro application as well as a strong shield and a big ult damage nuke, noelle is pretty relevant as a shielder and dps with furina, baizhu provides teamwide healing/interruption res/reaction buffing/dendro application, even c4 tankfei provides a strong shield and she has the added benefit of being able to hold ttds, etc
You only need 2 enemies once you get her cons. It is also nice for the pyro app to break past shields. But the recharge is about 3s longer than it really should be, and sadly, she doesn't provide much beyond that.
Really, she'd be an okay four star if Hoyoverse just provided her with a craftable four star equivalent to the Redhorn... something accessible to give her the def scaling she should have had in her base kit. Because she's an actual complete character (although still a DPS four star) with the Redhorn, the weapon essentially fixing her (though not entirely, as it doesn't help her burst).
I mained Amber for a year, but when I got Lyney, I let her retire 😂
if anyone has an aquila favonia sword (or the flute) and just wants to give qiqi some love, i have a super good team that can get through anything.. even the hardest abyss sections.
I use a team that has qiqi (clam set), nahida (deep wood set), yelan (emblem set) and raiden on paradise lost set but she can also use gilded dreams.
basically qiqi is the on-fielder since she heals with her normal attacks. her artifact set benefits a lot from it and you will get that 30k bubble pop every time.
everybody on the team is an off field support, so that gives qiqi the privilege to be the on-fielder for her heals lol.
the reason why i chose these characters to be on her team, is because hyperbloom is a super strong reaction that can make anyone who works with it look good. qiqi's cryo doesn't really interfere with the hyperblooms. another reason why the team is hyperbloom specifically, and not burgeon, is because cryo and electro make super conduct which makes physical dmg stronger. the clam set qiqi uses actually does go above 30k when it pops after super conduct (even though it says it doesn't count as physical dmg).
reasons why i use this team over most other teams is that this team is literally immortal. with qiqi, nobody ever dies.
also there's literally nothing that this team can't kill. name it and it's dead by the qiqi team lmaoo
oh and i forgot to say that you gotta build qiqi with full on atk, with healing bonus as the circlet. and build raiden with full em with dragon's bane because she's the one triggering the hyperblooms. and also build nahida more as a dps rather than just full on em.. bc she only buffs the character on field with her em bonus, and qiqi doesn't need the em... give nahida em sands, dendro goblet, and crit rate circlet bc you should already have crit dmg if you're using the widsith.
I think a better concept for this kind of video would be the worst (limited) 5 stars since it's really expected that a lot of 4 stars and version 1 standard units would be considerably weaker alternatives to most 5 star options by version 4
Yeah, it'd definitely be interesting to see, especially since the limited options would be better overall. That being said, I'm also worried it'd just kinda turn into "They just don't do as much damage as other options", "They're super reliant on certain characters to work better", or "They're Geo" : the video.
Since it's Vars, Dehya is likely going to be in this.
*Doesn't include Dehya*
A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one! They still did Pyro Claymore version of Raiden so dirty. Some people even try to cope by calling her a "tank". Instead of embracing that Chevreuse and Furina were in-direct buffs to her. Especially C6 Chevreuse for Carry Dehya.
... she is a tank tho. The role itself is literraly specified by TANKING the damage... thats like the main point of the kit. This isnt cope its just a fact. The role might not have the biggest use in genshin especially if you use Zhongli who technically is meant to be a tank but he has a shield so he just swaps after it. Either way Dehya by definition is a tank, its to take hits and to protect the rest of the team.
@@ObviOneKenobi The Fatui called. They want their delusion back.
@@NorthWolf97 So did you return it?
Jokes aside, she IS a tank. Or if you want to split hairs, a DPS with tanking capabilities. But for me the main issue with her kit being practically schizophrenic: off-field pyro application but burst DPS on ult. Scales off atk and hp etc. All of which makes her a jack of all trades and master of none, and a pretty poor jack at that as well. That's death in terms of meta ranking simply because we can't afford that mediocrity with only 4 slots to play with. Still annoyed at how hoyo did her dirty, one of my favourite Sumeru characters
@@ObviOneKenobi you called the problem yourself that genshin team clearly fckd her up so bad. dehya tanky role has no use in genshin at all.
if you build her for pure tank purpose she wont have any damage. like why do you even keep sticking with her low dmg on field just to waste your time and effort? people themselves coping by building her as a pyro off field dps and straight up ignoring her defensive capabilities.
zhongli is granted as godlike, but braindead. a single button to give your enemies some damage with pure defensive build(full hp) plus a petrification for a breather. a single button to provide you a protection that could lasted more than its cd, with an extra shredding to your enemies def.
dehya as a new character literally outclassed by old unit like zhongli in terms of defensive unit, thus people were driven so mad by genshin team hillarities messed up one of the most anticipated character in sumeru patch.
@@Hsusie I'm sorry, but Tank role doesn't exist in Genshin. Zhongli is a support with his shield.
Dehya's kit is made like Raiden's. To either be an on-field hyper carry or a sub-dps support.
You and the other guy only prove my point. That the role of "tank" is made up by people who try to cope with Dehya's undertuned kit
Tanks do not exist in Genshin as they have no purpose. Supports already heal or shield on-fielders. Wouldn't Noelle be a better argument than Zhongli as a comparison? Since she's also able to be a on-field claymore user with a bult in shield.
But no, tanks do not exists in Genshin and Dehya isn't one. If you want, you could join a co-op and play a support/sub-dps to reduce the damage others take. Good luck taunting the boss to attack you though.
Is it really that hard to buff amber ? like does hoyo hate her or something ?
Hoyo definitely hates her... releasing Yoimiya on her birthday, then releasing Lyney 2 years later, and they rarely ever include her in events, even if it's a Mondstadt event. They didn't even make a proper reunion with her and Collei...
nah not just amber, they need to buff a lot of forgotten 4 stars.
i'd kill for even the smallest positive xinyan change at this point.
Actually, Amber got her biggest buff in a very long time just a couple patches ago. The Song of Days Past artifact set essentially lets healers give additive DMG to the on-field character, which is great with Amber because a manually detonated Baron Bunny gets +200% DMG Bonus, and the additive DMG from SoDP gets that bonus as well.
In general I'm surprised I don't see more people here mentioning Baron Bunny Melt Amber; I recognize that it requires Amber constellations which are hard to get, but its damage output is not as far behind other teams as people tend to think
Out of everyone here my most used one is Amber, Reason was exploration. Amber being both a pyro and bow characters is really helpful as there are chest that are covered in vines, there are the bloatty floaties, the anemo slime "puzzle" and the time challenge for bow characters. Lastly is her talent that decreased stamina when gliding.
Perfect! Now I know what my next team for the Spyral Abyss looks like
Amber and Xinyan used to be my only pyro characters, and their application wasn’t enough for me to beat the Dragonspine quest (I was new to the game so I needed break and ice shield of a Lawachurl), so I went to the Spiral Abyss just to build Xiangling.
5:10 there is a universe where she will be good if they implement stat caps toward the end of the game or diminishing returns which are sometimes rumoured, dual scalers may end up becoming the gods of the game, but I don't think it's worth banking on
Honestly, the great thing about Genshin is none of this matters to the average player. You could have a team consisting of all these characters and still breeze through the game relatively easily. Unlike Star Rail, where the power creep is ridiculous and even my original team that would one-shot everything before 2.0 is struggling hard in Penacony.
Yea when I returned to HSR after a few months, I learned that every character I had (5* included) got horribly powercrept and I noped out. I'll just watch the story.
Skill issued. Yes great thing about genshin everything so easy. You dont even have to play
@@shutup1037Genshin doesn't have an auto play button in combat.
@@Freenos yes genshin also have no endgame, challenging content nor interesting event👌
@@shutup1037 Genshin events stomp HSR and its not even close
Other people care about DPS, support, stats and other stuff.
I just play with the characters i find cute and good looking
I thought I was imagining things but it was really a danganronpa ost, cool
Me too😂
Amber is a support unit, she can replace bennett in some teams using elegy (her burst activate it almost in an instant) and instructor. Because her burst infusion is so fast it will let you swirl pyro even when furina's pets are attacking. Her buffs doesn't suffer from limited area, but the real obstacle is the difficulty to get her c6 (she is still good even without that).
And if you think baron bunny is weak you just played wrong. Bunny can be infused with cryo which means you can double swirl against single target, or even swirl cryo against Thunder Manifestation, Tulpa or others (a bit technical).
To be practical main attacker in abyss she needs c4 though, while most attackers c1, navia c0.
She is still the fastest cryo shield breaker in the game. Definitely easier to use compared to Xinyan.
If you think characters are weak and shouldn't be played, you just want to play "easier difficulty". Playing difficult to use characters is playing on a higher difficulty, which gamers actually prefer. That's why when someone full star abyss with Amber solo on one side, everyone was amused.
Been a Ningguang main since release. Expected to see her here ngl. I find her fun and that's all that matters. All hail Geo, the best element in the game
There used to be a Niche for Amber in a Hutao team to set up Pyro swirls. Her ult pyro app was strong enough to remove Xingqiu’s hydro app and allow a VV user to swirl pyro then hydro with Xingqiu reapplying hydro afterwards. Team was Hu Tao, Xingqiu, Sucrose, Amber, but this was before double hydro was available.
i still have only ever found 1 use for ambers burst pyro application, its good enough to let chongyuns burst melt all his hits. i do wish they would give small buffs(sometimes large like what hydro trav needs) to certain chars when they are just that far behind
Tell me you don't play Ningguang without telling me you don't play Ningguang
She isn't a main dps, she can be but she gets a higher value from being a sub burst dps, she takes 6 secs to do huge anounts of motion value and is one of the best overall energy and dmg picks for Navia teams due to this and also means that she doesn't compete for a main dps role in a team.
Ningguang teams beat a lot of 5* characters in dps. She is not a bad unit at all. Ppl need to stop making assumptions that just because someone is a geo character they're immediately worse than everyone else.
She's easily one of the better 4*'s in the game. Her biggest limitation is that she only deals single target DMG but that just means she gets boss floors on abyss rather than multi target ones.
Know who does the same but better? Zhongli, Geo MC, Navia and Albedo.
Then for most of her teams which is obviously geo teams youd want, Gorou or Yun Jin aswell.
She is never the best pick for a team, just a viable one.
@@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn Zhongli doesn't bring nearly as much damage as Ningguang does by a long stretch but you do get the comfort of shield.
Geo MC is only ever good with Navia and literally no one else.
Albedo can be a viable option but his flower is extremely unreliable.
You never use Yun Jin on Ningguang teams, that's just not a thing. Gorou is an ok pick but generally is better kept for Noelle or Itto teams.
She is one of the best picks for Navia if not the best for overall rotation dps due to her huge frontloaded damage and synergy with her. Very subtle differences between Her, Zhongli and Albedo.
You have no idea what Nninguang is capable of.
12:31 WHAT DID WE DO😭
Nothing, it's a meme to shit on Eula mains ever since KQM got caught lying and never apologized about trashtalking and gaslighting a CN theorycrafter that found a bug on her elemental stacks.
So people just think it's fun but some TC's stopped talking about her because they at least are capable of feeling shame to a degree.
Just my thoughts using these characters.
I want to build Amber as I have her C6, but her skill is much better if you leave it unleveled and I sadly leveled mine early into game. (Mihoyo, please let me unlevel it!)
Yeah, Hydro MC is a lost cause. I honestly believe they were made so that no other character would ever have to be called the worse unit in the game.
I’ve enjoyed using Qiqi ever since clam set came out. I think that set will always be relevant to her given the damage ignores 100% of enemy defense on an AoE off-field attack.
I really enjoy using Xinyan with roll-DPS Sayu. While the shield is important for the interruption resistance, Xinyan temporarily applies Pyro to the whole team giving Sayu a 100% chance to swirl into Pyro, if both skills are used immediately after the other, which can let you dedicate a team around Pyro swirl interactions.
I haven’t built Ningguang as I somehow don’t have her C6. I would imagine her Geo auto-attacks would at least make her one of the best candidates for Archaic Petra and being a TTDS user is her best path as a support character which is rather sad.
why is Amber's skill better unleveled???
I'm confused... Could you elaborate on why Amber's skill is better unleveled? Doesn't leveling it up just straight up equal more DPS, regardless of how negligible it may be in the grand scheme of things? How could more DPS be a bad thing in a game where the most challenging content is essentially just a DPS check? Or is this just about regretting the fact that you've used resources on leveling Amber's skill when those could've gone into more impactful upgrades instead..?
What's the problem with leveling Amber's skill ?
Wait how is Amber's skill better un-leveled? I thought her main utility we the roll/buff consolidation in Hu Tao VV vape teams (she enables the pyro swirl, quickly procs Elegy and Instructor, gives Pyro res, and the C6 attack buff). Do talent levels mess it up?
Also from my understanding Ningguang right now fits best as a quick-swap hybrid support/frontloaded damage character in Navia teams (where she helps with crystalize, geo res, energy, and then can do reasonable quick damage because she uses the same supports that are already on the team (or can do TTDS)). I think you basically just skill burst and maybe a CA and then switch off for that use. Regardless, it is a role that she fills relatively well.
@@arianagranday7409 Increasing Amber's skill increases how much HP Baron Bunny has. Baron Bunny has a small explosion radius and can only generate energy particles when it hits enemies. You ideally want Baron Bunny to explode when enemies are leaning in to attack it, but if Baron Bunny is too tanky there's a greater chance it will whiff resulting in no energy particles or take longer to explode which can really screw up rotations. The particles matter more for your whole team than the slight damage increase.
Yes, you can manually blow them up with the right constellation, but spending additional time on Amber is a DPS-loss especially if she gets interrupted while charging.
One neat thing about amber is she actually allows for you to comfortably swirl pyro as kazuha while still having a hydro infusion in a hutao team. (Hu Tao/Xingque/Amber/Kazuha)
she does this particularly well compared to almost every unit because her burst can apply enough pyro in one moment for kazuha to swirl it in a hydro infused ult and then not applying pyro afterwards like other units(so she doesn't steal vapes)
her burst is also only 40 energy so it can be used every rotation and it gives pyro resonance, she batteries for Hu Tao and lowers her ER requirements, and she can hold a lot of artifact sets like instructor or noblesse(so xq can use ESF)
Because of this one extremely specific niche I would argue she's better than Qiqi or even the others on this list 😭
It's weird how people still like to say that Traveler's kit is based on the Archons when that's not the case, like at all.
Venti is all about grouping, Traveler groups then throws them away, I can kinda see this one tho.
Zhongli is shield boi, Traveler has nothing to do with shielding
Raiden is booba sword, Traveler is electro Xingqiu
Nahida is Dendro application and buffs, Traveler is about not using them with Pyro units, but seriously, they're basically just Collei not Nahida
Furina is great, Traveler does nothing... So yeah, hard to even compare.
I agree 100% with everything you've said. As a Eula main...your joke was funny :3
Let's be honest. Hydro Traveler only exists to apply Hydro to mechanisms
Got early pity for Xiao and got excited a week ago ish. Then Qiqi appeared on my screen instead. I've been coping ever since-
I do, thankfully, have a team that suits her okay. I've been running a Gaming melt team, alongside Benny, Chongyun, and Diona. Qiqi replaced Diona. With Chongyun around, she seems to get her burst back quickly enough, and she keeps Gaming alive when Benny's ult isn't up so I'm pretty happy. I lost out on a shield but tbh I don't find myself needing it much anyways. It's a fun team to run with and I'm not constantly dead so I'm pretty happy. They're just an overworld team for now since none of them are over level 70 and absolutely will get crushed in abyss or in a boss fight, I have hyperbloom and electro-charged for that lol, we'll see how they hold up at higher levels with tougher fights
It is really sad you cant just call a character dogshit without feeling like you are walking on eggshells, this community really is something isn't it
Uh yeah most people aren't going to like it when you call their favorite characters dogshit that shouldn't be surprising
The only good thing about the Hydro Traveler is that Fontaine's overworld puzzles do not have bs that force you to use Hydro Traveler even if you have other Hydro characters. Which means the player has no obligation to gimp their Dendro Traveler to explore and complete Fontaine.
uses for each character:
Ningguang: can be a worthwhile early to mid game(before ar 40 or so) hypercarry for players with a limited resources and characters, since she works by herself. Also can be used as a geo battery and a quickswap Q nuker.
qiqi:same as above but using superconduct, and she carries even harder with her healing.
Amber: lights torches and is bow, good for exploration role compression.
xinyan: no clue.
Hydro mc: He has an instance of arkhe damage I guess. Kinda worthless though.
I will never fathom how Hydro traveler was fully produced and put on live servers. Really sad to see we basically didn't get a hydro traveler variant with Fontaine. They're so unbelievably terrible, its hard to even acknowledge their existence. I really hope Pyro traveler is usable.
Very good pick of 5 worse chars.
About Ningguang I can totally relate to your explanation. Have used her exactly how you explained her.
Xinyan I never used in an actual fight, she definitely belongs in this list and I should put her bottom last.
Qiqi is in my account only good for harvesting trees since her consecutive hits are the fastest.
I have 1 use for the Hydro Traveller, to perform the pneuma/ousia required attack against the Narwal due lack of better Fontaine chars.
And also Amber has one task, to shoot the poles at the end of the electro hypostase fight, since she is most effective in that part.
Since Amber has one task on my account and Xinyan zero is why I switch their bottom ranking.
Just levelled Amber, for the against the odds gameplay and a travelling party. Let's wait for mihoyo to release some narrow artifact set that quadruples explosives and even she will shine.
"Genshin doesnt really have ways to debuff enemies"
Viridescent Venerer and Anemo MC: "Are we a joke to you?"
ningguang isn't perfect but it's kinda wild to consider her top 5 WORST characters while dehya doesn't even make the list
I actually Main Ningguang for awhile, I invest few months of resin to her. But when my Heizou, whose half build artifact, lv70, c3 is output Ningguang dmg, at that point I like “ok… this is not working out well for her”
Putting aside that that might just be a roll of the dice based on Artifact Stats and weapon drops, hear me out: Viridescent Venerer Heizou and Archaic Petra Ningguang with either Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayers or Prototype Amber, and the other two party members are off field DPSes of the same Swirlable/Crystalizable Element (ie: Yelan/Furina or Beidou/Fischl).
Yeah I know. But this happend when I just started play the game, back then I don’t have many characters, so I use just what I got. So by now I just use 5 star character and the only 4* dps I use is Noelle cuz I play her with Furina. I don’t like to invest on Ningguang, high investment with little outcome
And also my geo unit luck is horrible, somehow after 2y I only got Ning at c1, Gorou c2, yunjin c0 and lose 50/50 to Zhongli (like every character need to build up her team comp), If I got gorou and ningguang up c6 I would build her but for now nah…
“Darn I lost 50/50 on neuvillette
“Don’t worry, we have neuvillette at home”
Neuvillette at home: 7:42
I must be one of the few people who lost a 50/50 to Qiqi... and was happy about it :P ... I made a 2nd account, fully f2p, and was focusing on freeze with Wriothesley as the on-fielder. Well, he kiiiinda wants a bit of healing on the side, and I wanted it to be a cryo one (which should be easy, it's the element with the most healers, if I am not mistaken), to activate resonance, and well, qiqi dropped on me and I actually have been having quite a bit of fun with her ;) ...
Oh, I need to kill a cryo immune character? QIQI TO THE RESCUE... slowly but steadily...
It feels so satisfying to se my boy Razor never appear on these lists now that he's been given his own niche as the only character who can deal four elemental damage types with a single attack. Electro from his ult, Pyro from Bennett C6, Dendro from Nahida/Dendro Traveller, and Hydro from Xingqiu. All that damage at once means you're triggering more reactions than any other build in the game, while also having a pretty decent main DPS with Razor if you ever find yourself in a situation where you messed up your rotations or got stunlocked while doing them.
Who would have guessed that the OG Physical DPS would be the best when doing everything EXCEPT physical damage.
I have no other Pyro characters, I just have Amber so that's why I use her
All fair calls. However, I think you could follow up with work-arounds for their weaknesses. e.g. I only use Ningy as a burst DPS and Amber as a Noblesse buffer because of their energy-efficient bursts. QiQi with Ocean-Hued Clam, Sac Sword, and 3 other off-fielders doesn't care about energy or low damage, just filling that bubble with healing before it pops.
I wish Hoyoverse gave Thighnari the ability not just to rapid fire 3 of his own charge shots, but of any bow user.
It would make him so amazing
Dehya is still worse than Qiqi. Qiqi has high attack speed and can easily drive taser or burgeon, is still the only character that can pop the clam bubble from off field, and fav is good enough to deal with energy, especially if she's a driver. Dehya still has zero uses where she does anything better than anyone else. You might say that Furina fixes Dehya's damage, but she does the exact same for qiqi if you just add an electro and give her prototype rancour (f2p) or Aquila Favonia. Qiqi can hold Tenacity the same as Dehya for support, but also has access to Freedom Sworn, which is drastically better than any sword support Dehya could use. On top of that, Song of Days Past has turned out to be a pretty decent healer set for certain comps and Qiqi maximizes it, and it can even be used on herself if you go physical dps. Just because physical has issues, doesn't mean it's unviable, and every single thing that Dehya does is completely outclassed by 4 stars of the same role. Even Xinyan's shield is better than Dehya's damage reduction if you fully invest in it. There are no real instances where damage reduction is better than a shield, Dehya's damage is still ass and requires a limited 5 star to use to any decent effect, her sustain ability is pathetic, and she has no other support capability.
As a Kaveh enthusiast, I got REALLY disappointed by how they made his kit. I struggle to even make a team with him that doesn't feel downright awful to play..
Title: 5 Worst Characters in G.I
Me: Alright then, time to build these unit, Challenge Accapted
Number 0: Cai Haoyu
His whole kit is based around corporate greed
The traveler actually mimics more the elemental dragons than the archons, like the seed of Apep matching their EB, and their shooting water matching Neuvillette. Tornados more like Dvalin.
I will say that:
Ninguang helped me tremendously when the big Geo Rift Hound was in level 12-2 in the abyss because no one else at the time was quicker and more reliable to hit the weak points.
Qiqi carried me through version 4.2's abyss, allowing me to freeze these hyper-mobile group enemies while also making me immune to dying thanks to her incredibile healing.
Playing since 1.1 to this day I haven't found any use for Amber or Xinyan except through copious amounts of... copium.
And wtf in the name of all that is holy, what the actual f is hydro traveler? It's comical how bad he is, nobody I think could've imagined what an actual 1 star unit would look like in the game, let alone it being the supposed main character in the strongest element variety, my goodness. The dull blade deals more damage than the water gun finger gun, what a joke that is! And that after the traveler was finally put on a pedastal with the dendro variety.
Every talks about how getting cons for the three starter chars is super difficult and here I am stuck with C1 Kaeya, C2 Amber, and like C3-4 Lisa(I haven’t checked her in a while)
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Bro really decided to put Ningguang in this list knowing perfectly well that there are WAY worse units in the game like Dori and Dehya. No shame left in this world fr
Real shame about Ningguan, my first 5* weapon was skyward atlas early and she was the only unit for me to use it properly, so I built her and I really enjoyed using her in the earlier game, but now as time has progressed and I have gotten different units, I basically robbed her of all the good artifacts and the weapon to give it to Xianyun, which is just alot more fun to play. I just use her occasionally for old times sake and her damage isn´t bad(for me) not great either, also she feels kinda slow and sluggish, especially compared to Xianyun
Nah remember when people called yoimiya 5* amber? Yet no one compared lyney and amber when he's way closer to her than yoimiya ever was. HE DID HER CONCEPT SO MUCH BETTER NO ONE EVEN REALIZED HE WAS DOING IT.
I hate Ningguang and her story because it represents a lie (btw. I'm so happy that she's not a 5 star character).
It's a lie, because meritocracy being successfully applied in our (and Genshin's) society is a lie: try working hard 40 hours a week as a janitor (which is a really hard job) and see if you can save enough money to buy a house or start a business (spoiler: you can't, unless your extremely lucky). Also, from a philosophical stand, achieving meritocracy would be possible only if everyone would have the same access to opportunities, because then things like: shelter (which gives security and privacy), education (which allows for social mobility), health care (which allows to function fully), food (which allows you to function at all) wouldn't be of limited access, therefore it wouldn't stunt the people who have less access to those resources. That's why we cannot judge a merit of someone, until we know that the situation one finds himself in, is indeed a consequence of personal decisions rather than a lack of resources that didn't gave much choice to such person.
Ningguang with her "story", spreads the lie that you can everything, but if you don't get it, it's because of your personal responsability, and therefore the fate you find yourself in, is easier to justify: because if you become homeless it is because you did deserve to go homeless, not because you didn't have access to resources to better up your situation.
And I also hate her, because of her egotistical grandiosity: she's so much better than the common folk around her, that she had to built a flying pancake, so she doesn't have to interact with the filthy plebs that (in the actual system) we all are.