A legal rep of an European firm once told me about how indian government requests are kept at the bottom of the queue because our babus demand fortuner at the cost of an Alto and that too with all the weirdly strict sub clauses.
@@PSP-lr7ms Either you are kidding Or the point completely flew over your head. The main problem with this system is there is no incentive for any business to offer any good service or product because they know that they are not going to get a fair price, but on the contrary it incentivises scammers or substandard producers to dupe you with shady products because he knows your only focus Is price and unrealistic expectations and not the quality Or durability of it. This tendency is clearly understood by the Russians as they sell you bare bone products to win the contract and after you are locked in they pile on additional equipment to make money(for ex vikramaditya deal, su30 deal, ak203 deal). Hundai and suzuki also understand this, that's why they sell you one of the most unsafe and cheap build quality cars in the world to indian consumers but gullible Indian consumers are happy to get them cheap but they don't realise the dangers of unsafe and cheap build quality cars. Plus if you think this is a good way to negotiate then the results go opposite to your conclusion. Nobody takes us seriously and we end up getting nothing sacrificing capabilities. To further elaborate my analogy of demanding fortuner at the alto price is that nobody can make a full size SUV at the cost of a small hatchback, so looking at the budget you should aim for the best hatchback and not the SUV. If somebody is offering you an SUV at a cheaper price, don't fall for it, because it's not an SUV but just a blown up hatchback which is exactly what is going on today in the Indian market i.e cars named SUV which other than ground clearance don't have anything related to SUV's. So you end up buying an expensive hatchback. Who's at a loss now?
@@PSP-lr7msthere is difference between bargaining and being stupid. What's the point of bargaining if you lack capability itself. How is it good that more pilots of IAF are martyred due to faulty equipment than actual enemy losses.
@@PSP-lr7ms Either you are kidding or the point completely flew over your head. Because this system doesn't work, nobody takes you seriously and secondly nothing gets procured compromising capabilities. Because the fundamental problem with this method is there is no incentive for any business to offer any decent goods or services because they know they are not going to get a fair price. But at the same time this incentivises fraudulent and shady business practices as they know your priorities and they can leverage this to dupe you. The Russians understand this, that's why they lowball the initial price to win contracts and then rip you off with add-ons that you didn't pay attention to( imagine Vikramaditya deal, su30 deal, ak203 deal). Even Maruti-suzuki and hundai understand this, that's why they sell one of the most unsafe and cheap build quality cars in the world india. But indian consumers are happy to get them cheap and then pay the price in high maintenance or worse, with their lives. To further elaborate my analogy, there is no way you can make a full size SUV at the cost of small hatchback, so if someone is selling you a SUV at price of a hatchback then it's not a SUV but a swollen hatchback which is exactly what's happening in our auto market filled with cars which other than ground clearance doesn't have anything of SUV. If your budget is hatchback then try to get the best hatchback not a full size SUV.
@@tusharranjandas3476 They are capable to take right decision... But they choose corruption instead... Do u have any idea where they spend their capex every year... 20bn dollars isn't small amout.
@@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005exactly it's not 10th standard. Itd national security. How long will this attitude of chalta hai chal rha h aisahi chalega work ? India before becoming vishwaguru needs to work on this
@@anubhavguha6873 bro it's democracy. Govt is accountable to people of India. They have money doesn't mean they can throw bundle of notes on sellers face . Deals take time because govt can't overspend. You people are like little kids who keep asking for the most expensive toy . Govt don't give a F to any one of you . Because at the end of the day if things they bought is overpriced you people will be the one opening morcha on social platform. You people cry why no fund allocated to AMCA but don't know we don't have any engine to put into the jet, no private company ready to bet their time and money on drdo design . DRDO alone would take atleast 20 years to make AMCA production ready . So stop whining . Welcome to reality.
Maybe babus apply the Desi bazaar style bargaining techniques with foreign vendors to get a paisa vasool deal. No wonder our procurement process is considered the worst worldwide 😅
I still remember, chinese, Taiwanese, Singaporeans wouldn't even respond to our mail for electronic components procurement until and unless we give each and every details of our deal including exact quantity, date and target price. If the target price doesn't match their price they would simply tell us straight on face and close the enquiry in one mail. That's what we Indians have created for ourselves
Bro this is what Indian bargaining is . Even Uber CEO complaint that Indian wants facilities but are not willing to pay high . India is a tough market to crack . These talking trash of our indian value would shut up once India become self reliant. We bargain because we know we can . We know buisness, even the simple man in India know the overpricing done by companies. It's not one-sided we are also giving our Indian touch to deals to other countries. For eg Tejas offer to Malaysia is well rounded deal in which we are offering su 30 weapons and maintenance. Which international firm can offer that ?
There are few things we can deduce from open source info 1) IAF is not going to replace aircrafts by categories, for eg. All An32's are not going to be replaced by a similar category aircraft, same is the case for Il76. 2) They are trying to come to a optimal weight which requires maximum attention and rejiging the numbers and composition of the fleet according to that. And it seems that for heavy category c17's will continue in a specilised role due to their numbers and it's the medium and light categories(c295) where we will procure bulk Aircrafts for doing daily cargo haul. The light tank is an important consideration as the earlier failed project of Indo-russian MTA weight requirement was just 19-20 tonnes and today it is 26 tonnes. Plus c130's primary role in IAF is special operations. 3) i remember reading few years back about how Airbus showed the IAF brass A400's capability of short takeoff from austere sandy runway and IAF officers present there were highly impressed. Offcource it's high mounted turbo jet motors help. Although C390 will still be a sane choice.
A-400M has absolutely zero chances. It drastically overshoots the limits specified in the RFI and costs an entire arm. Why on earth is it even allowed to participate ?
If something as simple as a rifle like AK203 is dragging on for a decade, no surprise what is going on with MRFA and MTA. When you have a warlike situation at the border, the laxity at which the procurement happens is mind boggling. Even peacetime countries are more prepared 🙄
@@mtrest4 Yeah right, after paying 700 million dollars for TOT of a basic rifle the best thing to do is not rush the production 😂. Very sensible indeed!
Well TBH Airbus A400M is my perosnal favorite but still I will say IAF should not be ignoring Embraer C-390. As A400 is the flagship Airbus transporter there is no way it will assemble A400 in India. No conpany will make their flagship product outside their home. Nissan wont make GTR at its Chennai plant or Toyota wont make its Supra in India. Also there is no infrastructure or supply chain in India that can support production of a big aircraft like A400. Embraer on the other hand is a much smaller company. So they will be happy to do a deal to favor us as they want more business. And if it works successfully then Embraer might transfer technology for its E Jet family of airliners which will be useful for UDAN scheme. Its definitely going to be interesting
Year on year Indian Air Force is getting weaker people see India’s growth rate and think that our military must be getting stronger but except navy both other forces are getting weaker navy plans and execute everything really well considering to other 2 forces
Nearly most metrics, professional ones, put us 4th on overall military power ranking and land and navy are technologically advanced enough. Land has enough firepower while navy is a bit behind in size. Only airforce is backward and our Achilles' heel.
This reminds me of a low key movie i once saw, Pentagon Wars.. it details the absurd procurement process that ultimately reaulted in the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.. trouble is we have no Indian manufacturer who can deliver such a product.. oh well, lets wait and see..
Again putting all eggs in one basket is dangerous, hence Embraer in forray , besides Hercules and Airbus 400m is for competition between US giants. Also with Advancement in drone technology tanks have taken back and if you have urgency to transport tank via airlifting then it means things have gone far worse and such requirement is only needed when you want offensive attack. Indian military and NS policy doesn't believe in offensive war and neither does it have such capability against China. Somehow I feel India is leveraging US Military Industrial complex with powerful lobby to put pressure on US State Dept (a chinese output for foreign interference).
Best is to get C17 Hercules only. Very rough and tough 20 tonnes more than enough for miat missions. And get a proper strategic lift platform like IL76 or c17 replacement
Just for reference, If Both The USAF and European countries including France are replacing their C-17s and C 130 Hercules with A400M, We need to understand that A400M has something special (Economy, Cost of Maintenance, Much superior in terms of technology). The reason is its versatile performance, It can work as Heavy cargo lifter, Aerial Re-fuller. Since its a more efficient with its 4 Turboprop engines it is much more efficient and gives higher redundancy and lesser cost of Maintenance. So IAF should not make delays like they did with C-17 platform and just conclude the purchase ASAP. It is worth the money considering its capability and Efficiency.
Our govt is so slow like by the time our govt releases funds to procure a new asset and we have agreed to purchase, by that time the manufacturing line closes. Eg: C17, Mirage 2000 etc. I have a fear till we put up the orders for MRFA & MTA, the production line of Rafale and A400 shall close
Better to go for Mutiple Squadrons of C290 and at the Most 1 Squadrons of A400 for Heavy lifting and partial replacement of IL76 and wait in the long run for C17 Globemaster reappecemnt aftwr 2030s
This statement of an IAF official has invited a lot of perplexity to such a simple situation. We are already getting an aircraft that has more carrying capacity than AN32. But it would be absurd if they could replace a heavier aircraft with the one having a lesser payload capacity. Maybe IAF is looking to acquire both C390 & A400M to replace the whole fleet of AN32 or maybe they are looking to give a different role to C130 and may use A400M as a tactical lifter. C17 is the best aircraft to replace IL76. This state of confusion has to be sorted out ASAP.
I don't find issue with that, IAF must have logistics data from which they must have concluded that there are fewer payloads that weighs more than 25 tons, so having dedicated fleet for that doesn't seem optimum, also IAF must have plans for item weighing more than 25 tons, either through C17s or some other platform, that's why they are focused on this new requirements. Seems like an operation problem.
I think the final deal will be MTA will go to Embarer KC390 and IAF will use the price declared for 30/60/80 to negotiate a direct deal with Airbus for 24 planes....... Wishful thinking here.
Fair decision will be taken on the basis of which supplier offers maximum foreign trips and 'other' benefits. Also trips to countries such as France would be preferred to Brazil.
A400 is best choice for High altitude operations but then you will have to compromise on numbers. They should have got A400M in some different category and C395 is right choice in this competition.
The best sol for it is to get 30 any medium weight transport and ask Russia to give us md 98 with local production of aircraft part like engine and other if we purchase more than 20 units
@@james4807M aa khir jet engine deal hogi hi aur su 57 bhi lena hi hoga amca ka 32 tak ayyega aur china tho phele se operate kar raha hai mmrca koi future nahi
@@aryangyansingh3826 su57 lene ka koi fayda nahi hai. Jet engine deal ke bad AMCA hi aayega. 3-4 years aur lag jayenge prototype development me jane ke liye. First flight in 2029-30
@@james4807M tho first flight ke baad development testing clearance phir production ke baad ha 35 tak ayyega air tab tak jo aircraft gap hoga wo kaise bharega only tejas. Mk2 fill nahi karsakte aur tab tak pak ke pass chineese aur haan 5 aa jayega
@@aryangyansingh3826 ha to rahega hi gap. But testing will take less time because most system will be tested on mk2. Basic air to air missiles ke sath induction will start from 2033-34
A400 mehenga hai 😂 To kya ghanta ye kuch ukhad lete agar C17 ka production line open hota ? C17 kaun sa sasta hai jo ye kharid lete 😂 ? Vahi mig21 vala kahani yaha bhi repeat hoga, outdated AN32 and IL76 will keep flying and crashing until we run out of them
Kuch procurement projects handling me MODI Govt. & Rajnath Singh ji, congress ko takkar de rehe hain Kam to krte hain but na IAF ko or nahi Def. Ministry ko pta hota hay ki "KRNA KISE HAY" Yeh MTA proj. me jo update aya hay isse SINGLE VENDOR SITUATION hi ayega & ultimately yeh tender cancel hi hona hay
We should buy new il76, its quite ridiculous to see our govt and forces trying to replace a 50 ton plane with an overpriced 37 ton , hope we dont reduce our capabilities due to fear of sanctions.
Babus to common junta....MRFA, that's an old fashioned joke.....we are making New aircraft acquisition joke for mental food of thought for next 10 - 20 years of our service in Govt . and Indian defence video industry, introducing brand new MTA - Mythical Transport Aircraft 😅😅😅....in Pvt sector CEO s get fired if they miss there dead line...but in Govt... they get promotion regardless of productivity and delivery only on the basis of experience...and that applies to civil and defence services both sad but truth...
For fighters, its better to make a broader requirements because you want test them all and induct which will fit in need. But for transport, such things are just weird and showing policy failures.
I am not favour or Agree with Air cheif decision. In war time or galwan time situation china y-20 single fight transfer more troops and assets as compare to india we need multiple flights. ladkha terrains everyone know it. Also this air cheif is silent as compare to last 2 cheif. i don't think they drag local nd import deals. Poor planing we are watching
Embraer C-390 is the best choice for IAF because we want complete production line in India with full TOT which provides multiple usage for IAF and help in civilian transportation too. Also India and Brazil are BRICS members and as per 2030 new World order, C-390 could be clear winner here. Afterall Geo politics matters. Embraer could help us to establish big aviation sector in India and will promote next generation technologies from India ‼️ Deep state elements could have the same plan. Hope information is clear. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
What need take that .and locked Martin compalsary call to india. India request is simple a defence industry need . How catch this . Simple advice. When you produce in usa 🇺🇸 then that only purchase devolaped country. Reason is expensive. Now that problem india solving. India provide standerd employes. India locked Martin joint production throw expensive of wepon is reducing. Then it possible to export to African market . Just understand 5 gen fighter jet not purchasing Africa they purchase 3 rd generation. Fist understand market . This is government to locked Martin deal . Last boing and india did deal now locked Martin time . Proper time achieve the expansion. And profit dable. F35 we will join production doing. How indian offer. That is the way of future.
A point will come when the foreign companies/country wont even take our proposals seriously..
A legal rep of an European firm once told me about how indian government requests are kept at the bottom of the queue because our babus demand fortuner at the cost of an Alto and that too with all the weirdly strict sub clauses.
@@surajbiradar9827 that's good, that's how a Indian should bargain.
Kudos to govt
@@PSP-lr7ms Either you are kidding Or the point completely flew over your head. The main problem with this system is there is no incentive for any business to offer any good service or product because they know that they are not going to get a fair price, but on the contrary it incentivises scammers or substandard producers to dupe you with shady products because he knows your only focus Is price and unrealistic expectations and not the quality Or durability of it. This tendency is clearly understood by the Russians as they sell you bare bone products to win the contract and after you are locked in they pile on additional equipment to make money(for ex vikramaditya deal, su30 deal, ak203 deal). Hundai and suzuki also understand this, that's why they sell you one of the most unsafe and cheap build quality cars in the world to indian consumers but gullible Indian consumers are happy to get them cheap but they don't realise the dangers of unsafe and cheap build quality cars.
Plus if you think this is a good way to negotiate then the results go opposite to your conclusion. Nobody takes us seriously and we end up getting nothing sacrificing capabilities. To further elaborate my analogy of demanding fortuner at the alto price is that nobody can make a full size SUV at the cost of a small hatchback, so looking at the budget you should aim for the best hatchback and not the SUV. If somebody is offering you an SUV at a cheaper price, don't fall for it, because it's not an SUV but just a blown up hatchback which is exactly what is going on today in the Indian market i.e cars named SUV which other than ground clearance don't have anything related to SUV's. So you end up buying an expensive hatchback. Who's at a loss now?
@@PSP-lr7msthere is difference between bargaining and being stupid. What's the point of bargaining if you lack capability itself. How is it good that more pilots of IAF are martyred due to faulty equipment than actual enemy losses.
@@PSP-lr7ms Either you are kidding or the point completely flew over your head. Because this system doesn't work, nobody takes you seriously and secondly nothing gets procured compromising capabilities. Because the fundamental problem with this method is there is no incentive for any business to offer any decent goods or services because they know they are not going to get a fair price. But at the same time this incentivises fraudulent and shady business practices as they know your priorities and they can leverage this to dupe you. The Russians understand this, that's why they lowball the initial price to win contracts and then rip you off with add-ons that you didn't pay attention to( imagine Vikramaditya deal, su30 deal, ak203 deal). Even Maruti-suzuki and hundai understand this, that's why they sell one of the most unsafe and cheap build quality cars in the world india. But indian consumers are happy to get them cheap and then pay the price in high maintenance or worse, with their lives.
To further elaborate my analogy, there is no way you can make a full size SUV at the cost of small hatchback, so if someone is selling you a SUV at price of a hatchback then it's not a SUV but a swollen hatchback which is exactly what's happening in our auto market filled with cars which other than ground clearance doesn't have anything of SUV.
If your budget is hatchback then try to get the best hatchback not a full size SUV.
At this point I don’t even care they will learn their mistakes just like Russia.
People sitting there are capable then ur whole family to take decisions on international and diplomatic lvl
@@tusharranjandas3476 They are capable no doubt in that. But they aren't even taking a single decision that's the problem
@@tusharranjandas3476 there is difference between capability and intent......
@@tusharranjandas3476 They are capable to take right decision... But they choose corruption instead...
Do u have any idea where they spend their capex every year... 20bn dollars isn't small amout.
@@RaveSharrmaI urge you to join the defence ministry then 😂
Defence Matrix: 7:32 toh yaha par aap fair decision kis basis par lenge?
IAF: Hum koi decision hi nhi lenge 😂
MRFA struck, 75I struck, Assault rifles struck, Artillery procurement not moving, serious shortage of Tankers & AWACS, AMCA struck, FRCV struck, clueless for transporters, etc... Still, Mera Bharat Mahaan ❤
Such things happen. It's not your 10th grade exams.
@@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005but for how long?😂
Such things....not everything @@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005
@@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005exactly it's not 10th standard. Itd national security. How long will this attitude of chalta hai chal rha h aisahi chalega work ? India before becoming vishwaguru needs to work on this
@@anubhavguha6873 bro it's democracy. Govt is accountable to people of India. They have money doesn't mean they can throw bundle of notes on sellers face .
Deals take time because govt can't overspend. You people are like little kids who keep asking for the most expensive toy . Govt don't give a F to any one of you . Because at the end of the day if things they bought is overpriced you people will be the one opening morcha on social platform.
You people cry why no fund allocated to AMCA but don't know we don't have any engine to put into the jet, no private company ready to bet their time and money on drdo design . DRDO alone would take atleast 20 years to make AMCA production ready .
So stop whining . Welcome to reality.
Maybe babus apply the Desi bazaar style bargaining techniques with foreign vendors to get a paisa vasool deal.
No wonder our procurement process is considered the worst worldwide 😅
I still remember, chinese, Taiwanese, Singaporeans wouldn't even respond to our mail for electronic components procurement until and unless we give each and every details of our deal including exact quantity, date and target price. If the target price doesn't match their price they would simply tell us straight on face and close the enquiry in one mail. That's what we Indians have created for ourselves
@@pradeepanandmurthy8215i mean they are not wrong though. Saves both time and useless haggling and negotiations.
Just like how our people will enquire in 5 shops for the same product and still at the end of the day won't buy from any of them.
Bro this is what Indian bargaining is . Even Uber CEO complaint that Indian wants facilities but are not willing to pay high . India is a tough market to crack . These talking trash of our indian value would shut up once India become self reliant.
We bargain because we know we can .
We know buisness, even the simple man in India know the overpricing done by companies.
It's not one-sided we are also giving our Indian touch to deals to other countries. For eg Tejas offer to Malaysia is well rounded deal in which we are offering su 30 weapons and maintenance. Which international firm can offer that ?
@@kaptainkc7415 And what came out of that? Nothing…
There are few things we can deduce from open source info
1) IAF is not going to replace aircrafts by categories, for eg. All An32's are not going to be replaced by a similar category aircraft, same is the case for Il76.
2) They are trying to come to a optimal weight which requires maximum attention and rejiging the numbers and composition of the fleet according to that. And it seems that for heavy category c17's will continue in a specilised role due to their numbers and it's the medium and light categories(c295) where we will procure bulk Aircrafts for doing daily cargo haul. The light tank is an important consideration as the earlier failed project of Indo-russian MTA weight requirement was just 19-20 tonnes and today it is 26 tonnes. Plus c130's primary role in IAF is special operations.
3) i remember reading few years back about how Airbus showed the IAF brass A400's capability of short takeoff from austere sandy runway and IAF officers present there were highly impressed. Offcource it's high mounted turbo jet motors help.
Although C390 will still be a sane choice.
A-400M has absolutely zero chances.
It drastically overshoots the limits specified in the RFI and costs an entire arm.
Why on earth is it even allowed to participate ?
@@Shubhabratabanerjee The C-295 can easily replace the An-32s and it if baffling that why even the MTA program exists?
If something as simple as a rifle like AK203 is dragging on for a decade, no surprise what is going on with MRFA and MTA.
When you have a warlike situation at the border, the laxity at which the procurement happens is mind boggling. Even peacetime countries are more prepared 🙄
@@mtrest4 INSAS 😀. Now that’s some hard hitting alternative..
@@mtrest4you think INSAS is a good assault rifle? Go and watch Gaurav Arya POV on INSAS he's a ex army officer 😀
@@mtrest4 Yeah right, after paying 700 million dollars for TOT of a basic rifle the best thing to do is not rush the production 😂.
Very sensible indeed!
I fully agree.
Well TBH Airbus A400M is my perosnal favorite but still I will say IAF should not be ignoring Embraer C-390. As A400 is the flagship Airbus transporter there is no way it will assemble A400 in India. No conpany will make their flagship product outside their home. Nissan wont make GTR at its Chennai plant or Toyota wont make its Supra in India. Also there is no infrastructure or supply chain in India that can support production of a big aircraft like A400. Embraer on the other hand is a much smaller company. So they will be happy to do a deal to favor us as they want more business. And if it works successfully then Embraer might transfer technology for its E Jet family of airliners which will be useful for UDAN scheme. Its definitely going to be interesting
Modi h to mumkin h . Latest ka baap bhi bnega India me .
We should file case against all these guys... They are not onlu looting tax money but also compromising national security
IAF official meetings be like: "higher altitudes pe aadha tank(Arjun) ek aircraft le jayega aur bacha hua tank(MK1)doosra aircraft"
High altitude me Arjun tank kitna effective h Bhai ye bta de pehle .
@@kaptainkc7415Arjun chhor de, koi bhi tank nahi jaa raha 26 tonne capacity wale aircraft se Leh-Ladakh
Hamara procurement confusing badtahe jayegaaaaaaasa....,
8:03 Khair..,............,
Jai Hind.
I think out of these 80 aircrafts to be procured, around 3/4th of them will be C390 (replacing An32) and rest 1/4th will be A400M (replacing IL76)
48-74 c390 under mta and 30-40 a400 for il 76 replacement
@@atharvzemse6599 cuz iaf can't afford 80-90 a400
Year on year Indian Air Force is getting weaker people see India’s growth rate and think that our military must be getting stronger but except navy both other forces are getting weaker navy plans and execute everything really well considering to other 2 forces
Nearly most metrics, professional ones, put us 4th on overall military power ranking and land and navy are technologically advanced enough. Land has enough firepower while navy is a bit behind in size. Only airforce is backward and our Achilles' heel.
This reminds me of a low key movie i once saw, Pentagon Wars.. it details the absurd procurement process that ultimately reaulted in the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.. trouble is we have no Indian manufacturer who can deliver such a product.. oh well, lets wait and see..
Again putting all eggs in one basket is dangerous, hence Embraer in forray , besides Hercules and Airbus 400m is for competition between US giants. Also with Advancement in drone technology tanks have taken back and if you have urgency to transport tank via airlifting then it means things have gone far worse and such requirement is only needed when you want offensive attack. Indian military and NS policy doesn't believe in offensive war and neither does it have such capability against China.
Somehow I feel India is leveraging US Military Industrial complex with powerful lobby to put pressure on US State Dept (a chinese output for foreign interference).
Why not hal not startes makes this categories aircraft
Best is to get C17 Hercules only.
Very rough and tough 20 tonnes more than enough for miat missions. And get a proper strategic lift platform like IL76 or c17 replacement
Situational Awareness 😮
Even air force is getting weaker day by day why we didn,t conclude the MRFA till now what,s happening if there is no money so why released the tender
Best Option...Ask DRDO to make one...they'll give alien solution which'll fulfill the requirements of IAF...
"The deal is the deal" rule#1
Sir, actually it was better to procure in a proper manner.
20+ C-130Js
20+ A-400Ms
100+ CN-235
Only 10 C-17s?
IAF actually needs 30+ C-17s.
What is the timeline for this project?
When Evaluation will happen? When Result of that will be out?
Indian Navy is doing a great job but the air force seems the most confused body
We should make it in India.We should not miss this opportunity to improve our manufacturing capabilities
Decision based on Indian requirements is a fair decision.
Indian military ignoring good options while waiting for perfect not realising that perfect is the enemy of good.
Just for reference, If Both The USAF and European countries including France are replacing their C-17s and C 130 Hercules with A400M, We need to understand that A400M has something special (Economy, Cost of Maintenance, Much superior in terms of technology). The reason is its versatile performance, It can work as Heavy cargo lifter, Aerial Re-fuller. Since its a more efficient with its 4 Turboprop engines it is much more efficient and gives higher redundancy and lesser cost of Maintenance. So IAF should not make delays like they did with C-17 platform and just conclude the purchase ASAP. It is worth the money considering its capability and Efficiency.
MTA program will meet the same fate like MRCA. IAF never learns from its mistakes.
Our govt is so slow like by the time our govt releases funds to procure a new asset and we have agreed to purchase, by that time the manufacturing line closes. Eg: C17, Mirage 2000 etc. I have a fear till we put up the orders for MRFA & MTA, the production line of Rafale and A400 shall close
Better to go for Mutiple Squadrons of C290 and at the Most 1 Squadrons of A400 for Heavy lifting and partial replacement of IL76 and wait in the long run for C17 Globemaster reappecemnt aftwr 2030s
Please make a video saras aircraft
This statement of an IAF official has invited a lot of perplexity to such a simple situation. We are already getting an aircraft that has more carrying capacity than AN32. But it would be absurd if they could replace a heavier aircraft with the one having a lesser payload capacity. Maybe IAF is looking to acquire both C390 & A400M to replace the whole fleet of AN32 or maybe they are looking to give a different role to C130 and may use A400M as a tactical lifter. C17 is the best aircraft to replace IL76. This state of confusion has to be sorted out ASAP.
10 A 400 off shelf and 40 c390 make in India should be the ideal mix for solution of complex issue
Without a capable and technologically oriented Defence Minister Indian Forces will continue to remain disoriented.
Dushman ayenge jayenge, humari fighter plane uparse girte rahenge aur hamari sena sarbochhyo balidan de te rahenge par MRFA aise hi rahna chahiye!
I don't find issue with that, IAF must have logistics data from which they must have concluded that there are fewer payloads that weighs more than 25 tons, so having dedicated fleet for that doesn't seem optimum, also IAF must have plans for item weighing more than 25 tons, either through C17s or some other platform, that's why they are focused on this new requirements. Seems like an operation problem.
What about that Japanese plane ?
I think the final deal will be MTA will go to Embarer KC390 and IAF will use the price declared for 30/60/80 to negotiate a direct deal with Airbus for 24 planes.......
Wishful thinking here.
Fair decision will be taken on the basis of which supplier offers maximum foreign trips and 'other' benefits. Also trips to countries such as France would be preferred to Brazil.
Airbus should launch turbo fan engine version of A400M, it's airframe is very similar to globemaster III.
Solution to this will be
80 c390 with TOT
IL 76 upgrade
And joint development with embrarer for c17 class aircraft
We don't have proper planning, which we have already seen with Mig29 UPG upgradation...
A400 is best choice for High altitude operations but then you will have to compromise on numbers. They should have got A400M in some different category and C395 is right choice in this competition.
Our procurement policy is like late latheef
The best sol for it is to get 30 any medium weight transport and ask Russia to give us md 98 with local production of aircraft part like engine and other if we purchase more than 20 units
Ka228 ki deal fasi huyi hai. Russian kuch lena hi nahi kisi force ko..
@@james4807M aa khir jet engine deal hogi hi aur su 57 bhi lena hi hoga amca ka 32 tak ayyega aur china tho phele se operate kar raha hai mmrca koi future nahi
@@aryangyansingh3826 su57 lene ka koi fayda nahi hai. Jet engine deal ke bad AMCA hi aayega. 3-4 years aur lag jayenge prototype development me jane ke liye. First flight in 2029-30
@@james4807M tho first flight ke baad development testing clearance phir production ke baad ha 35 tak ayyega air tab tak jo aircraft gap hoga wo kaise bharega only tejas. Mk2 fill nahi karsakte aur tab tak pak ke pass chineese aur haan 5 aa jayega
@@aryangyansingh3826 ha to rahega hi gap. But testing will take less time because most system will be tested on mk2. Basic air to air missiles ke sath induction will start from 2033-34
Nice voice
accha hai iaf 40 sal future tak ka sochte hai kyuki planes kharidne me hi unhe 25 sal lag jate hai
Embraer should it be. Not again the same western ditches
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Airbus 400m with TATA local manufacturing like Airbus c295
A400 mehenga hai 😂
To kya ghanta ye kuch ukhad lete agar C17 ka production line open hota ? C17 kaun sa sasta hai jo ye kharid lete 😂 ?
Vahi mig21 vala kahani yaha bhi repeat hoga, outdated AN32 and IL76 will keep flying and crashing until we run out of them
New IL-76 is a better choice. Higher carrying capacity and more budget friendly.
How about new il76 MD replace il 76
Kuch procurement projects handling me MODI Govt. & Rajnath Singh ji, congress ko takkar de rehe hain
Kam to krte hain but na IAF ko or nahi Def. Ministry ko pta hota hay ki "KRNA KISE HAY"
Yeh MTA proj. me jo update aya hay isse SINGLE VENDOR SITUATION hi ayega & ultimately yeh tender cancel hi hona hay
Rafael and A 400 is the best bet for IAF
We should buy new il76, its quite ridiculous to see our govt and forces trying to replace a 50 ton plane with an overpriced 37 ton , hope we dont reduce our capabilities due to fear of sanctions.
Army and Air Force will always Disappoint us
Jai hind
IAF chief talked about 25 to 40 tons. Not just 25 tons. So A400 is apt choice.
Airbus gonna get the deal because of European influence. Its not about capability to cost ratio. Military purchase in India is part of geopolitics.
Khair abhi samay hai 😂
If I am government I will try to get il76 production indegenised inside India
A400 acha contender rahy ga
Iran attacked Pak again please video jaldi
Airforce officers ssb clear kar k hi officers bante hai na ? Itni indecisiveness o.l.q toh bilkul nahi hoti .
Take 36 KC390 and 6-8 Airbus A400
IAF clearly lack future vision and future roadmap
Buy whoever make in India with maximum localization,,,, Russian r cheaper and do it works
Khud ka MTA program chal raha hota to ye din nahi dekhne padte
Are bhai le lo kuch. Dekho kya suit karta hai aur thoda negotiate karke le hi lo. Kya ye saalon Tak aise hi chalta rahega?
Kuch nahi ho sakta IAF ke procurement ka.
The army better disassemble the tanks and carry them up the mountain on mules like they did in 1948.
News dekhana kisko pasand hai
Babus to common junta....MRFA, that's an old fashioned joke.....we are making New aircraft acquisition joke for mental food of thought for next 10 - 20 years of our service in Govt . and Indian defence video industry, introducing brand new MTA - Mythical Transport Aircraft 😅😅😅....in Pvt sector CEO s get fired if they miss there dead line...but in Govt... they get promotion regardless of productivity and delivery only on the basis of experience...and that applies to civil and defence services both sad but truth...
Cutie log hr project me cutiapa hi krege na
Russia se hi il 76MD hi le Lena chahiye bat khatm or koi rastra nhi hai
C 17 is legend...
If possible buy more .
If not buy A400 Lena chaiye..
Bcs it's a good airlifter...
For fighters, its better to make a broader requirements because you want test them all and induct which will fit in need.
But for transport, such things are just weird and showing policy failures.
Doesn't matter deal 50 saal main hogi
A400m too expensive for us. Can try second hand c17 from USA
US is not gonna sell them. They'll put them in storage for any wartime scenario
Best option for IAF is chinese Y20 😂
Mismanagement and lobbying at it's peak
Bhai yeh iaf chief kb retire ho rha hopefully next chief thodi sense banayega
India ko MTA कैटिगरी का 20-30 टन aicraft तो km se km khud bnana chaiye,Russia k sath MTA khatm karna बेवकूफी थी।
IAF Chief is stupid India should also look for replacement for air chief marshal
I am not favour or Agree with Air cheif decision. In war time or galwan time situation china y-20 single fight transfer more troops and assets as compare to india we need multiple flights. ladkha terrains everyone know it. Also this air cheif is silent as compare to last 2 cheif. i don't think they drag local nd import deals. Poor planing we are watching
Hwwwttt disturbed ho chuka hu IAF k procurement sun sun k...
Please ignore IAF news...
Faltu me time waste hota hai IAF k news sunke.
Sala pata nahi kya kar rahe ha hum
Embraer C-390 is the best choice for IAF because we want complete production line in India with full TOT which provides multiple usage for IAF and help in civilian transportation too.
Also India and Brazil are BRICS members and as per 2030 new World order, C-390 could be clear winner here. Afterall Geo politics matters. Embraer could help us to establish big aviation sector in India and will promote next generation technologies from India ‼️
Deep state elements could have the same plan. Hope information is clear. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
What need take that .and locked Martin compalsary call to india. India request is simple a defence industry need . How catch this . Simple advice. When you produce in usa 🇺🇸 then that only purchase devolaped country. Reason is expensive. Now that problem india solving.
India provide standerd employes.
India locked Martin joint production throw expensive of wepon is reducing. Then it possible to export to African market . Just understand 5 gen fighter jet not purchasing Africa they purchase 3 rd generation. Fist understand market .
This is government to locked Martin deal . Last boing and india did deal now locked Martin time .
Proper time achieve the expansion. And profit dable.
F35 we will join production doing. How indian offer. That is the way of future.