I've owned 4 Z-cars, including a 2015 370z Sport 6MT. My only complaints about that car were 1) Lack of telescoping steering wheel and 2) Crappy stock seats. It looks like the "new" Z addresses those concerns, plus adds power and technology. Here are my issues with this car: This is a parts bin car. It's clearly a tweaked 370z with an engine swap to a powerplant Nissan/Infiniti has already made for several years. That would be fine, except that in order to get one with an LSD and Akebono brakes (carried over from the 370z), you pay $50k+, and that's not even including inevitable dealer mark-ups. For comparison- Less than 3 years ago, you could buy a brand new 370z Sport (LSD, Akebono brakes, 19 inch Rays wheels) for under $35k. Nissan has essentially raised the price of the equivalent "new" Z by $15k+ over the 370z, without building a new chassis. That's not good for consumers. They've priced this to compete with the Supra, disregarding the incredible value proposition this car could have been. If we look at the base model, it's still $40k+. That might not seem bad, but it's still $10k more than what you could buy a base 370z for less than 3 years ago. It's also more than you can currently pay for a base Mustang GT or Camaro LT1. Even in the current inflated market, those cars are selling for under $40k in many parts of the country. You could buy a brand new 7th Gen Corvette for under $55k 2 or 3 years ago. As much as a love the Z, that's a better sports car. Even now there are used, low-mileage C7s out there for well under $50k. I think this Z34.5 would be a home run if the base model started at $35k, and the performance trim topped out at $42-43k. I just don't think we're getting enough "new" sports car for the price.
I agree. I rather buy the 86. It’s hard to justify 10k to jump on to the Base Z. The Z is really fighting against two Toyotas the 86 and the Supra. And the base z looses out to the 86 and performance z looses to the Supra manual
I completely agree. They should have started at 35k with a 300hp version to go with the 245 width tires and no LSD. Then a 10k jump in price would be legit for 100 more hp, better wheels/tires, LSD, etc.
I partially agree, yes I feel the price for a parts bin car is on the high side considering they just used left over parts and chasis. But if you think about it if you twin turbo a 370z sport (35k price like you mention), a properly tuned TT kit w/ supporting mods will put you right there with a 50k MSRP of this one, so basically you are just paying for a factory TT. They should have made one with an NA VQ37 and left it like you said.
@@stevornrichards1380 Yep 22k can buy a lot of aftermarket parts to make a base model handle on rails and stop on a dime, especially if the 370z aftermarket transfers over. Can not wait to see what channels start doing with these!
Not only is this priced a little heftier than what I was expecting, but prepare for 15%+ dealer markups because of the enthusiast value, just like the GR Corolla will have and the Civic Type R had and still has.
@@ezmiami305 you can find any car without a markup if you look hard enough. Got my wife a 21 forester back in October amid shortages and got 3k off msrp.
Looks amazing the front grille is growing on me. This is the first interior from a Z car I actually liked. Wonder if they switched to Michelins or a better tire would the rear end would be a little more planted? Excellent review Matt as always. Still the best! Up here in Canada gas is INSANELY expensive right now thanks to our Gov't. Premium fuel is well over $8 a US Gallon. I could see MPG affecting buyers up here if they chose this as a daily.
I really appreciate you taking a reasonably critical approach to this review. I'm not particularly blown away by what I'm seeing from this new Z, especially for the money, but I'm sure that those who are seeking out this particular formula and/or really like the way this looks will be happy with their purchase.
The fanboy crowd will alway go get it no matter how the reviews are just like the supra back in 2019 but for the enthusiast crowd that really cares and are cross shopping, Nissan is not making it easy for people to chose the z over the supra, they really dropped the ball on the pricing.
@@Marc-ty5sz for 50 grand there’s no shot that this new Z should actually be competitive, it’s punching way above its wieght in not only performance but also materials. I mean the supra is a bmw at the end of the day and this ain’t no mustang. Totally not worth it at all
@@OhgodImtoosexy I think the majority of us were expecting these to be about 10% cheaper in all trim levels, and for an LSD to be accessible at all trims
@@SpartanArmy117 exactly. I've owned a loaded 2015 GT PP and 2020 GT350, and this car isn't anywhere on my radar because the value and "wow" proposition aren't really there, mainly because of that price and a few peculiarities. Oddly enough, I'm actively hunting for GR86s on the daily.
Suddenly that BMW M Coupe (sorry, meant GR Supra) is looking a lot better. Funny how that works. Lighter, faster, more confidence inspiring, better handling.
It’s great to see a sports car with a manual like this. I just purchased a base 2022 BMW 230i coupe. It’s a fantastic choice. If you avoid the long list of options like the MSport and Dynamic handling package, it about $40k tops. It drive great with plenty of power with 255hp and 295 torque. The most fun to drive BMW on a budget!
Thank you. Everyone is chasing horsepower numbers and forgetting the connection between driver and car. I like going fast, but a well balanced car puts a massive smile on my face as well.
As someone that has never owned a Nissan, this had my attention for a while. However, 50k for the “real” version of the car is too steep. I went from being willing to put in an order and waiting however long it took to get one to researching what cars I could get for 50k. In short, they just priced themselves out of a buyer who was willing to give Nissan a shot for a car in the 40’s but I’m not dropping 50k for that car.
I think if you just want a cruiser, then the base model will be fine and that is definitely in the 40s. I watched the Savage Geese video on the car and was really impressed about Nissan’s approach to making it a great performance car value, in my opinion.
This car has so much more soul than the supra. At least there are some elements that tie it back to the older machines. Plus can anyone deny this looks sooo good?
$50,000 lol I remember when you could get a brand new 2015-2017 mustang 5.0 for 30k plus the supercharger to make 800+hp for $40,000 with full warranty!
The dollar lost ALOT of value. I remember when a gallon of regular gas wasn't $5. BTW this car will be smacking all those 5.0s with just a tune. Q50/Q60s do it with no problem and they are alot heavier and just luxury sedan/ coupes
@@SpartanArmy117 this z beats the 5.0 in a quarter mile with better tires. They put bad tires on this car so it spins. With Michelin tires it beats the mustang supra and Aston Martin vantage in a quart mile
@@SpartanArmy117 Tunes are stupid cheap $400 for a Jb4 +120whp.. No 5.0 gains that much with that little money. Added downpipes +65whp, etc... You get the point. Noone is buying this to keep it stock
@@jaredm4873no it doesn’t lmao this thing weighs a lot more and makes a lot less power to the wheels than the stock Supra. There’s been tons of drag races between the 3 and the Mustang/Supra pull ahead every time even on equal tires. Savagegeese has a few videos comparing the Mustang/Supra/Z with them all on the same tires, Z loses in every race dead last.
Come on Nissan, an LSD is non-negotiable and must be included in all trim levels. You have my money if you can make it happen. The far cheaper BRZ didn't make that mistake.
Appreciate the honest review. So many articles and videos on this car were done so without integrity. Always appreciate you looking at cars as a car enthusiast and not a salesman.
50K is a tough sale. Sure the Supra is a “BMW” but for the money you pay it’s actually worth it for the interior you get, the transmission is better and the engine definitely puts out more horsepower than advertised. The only option for the Z that makes sense is the base model. That interior in the Z has some super cheap looking stuff and you can tell where it shares 370Z parts with. Also lol no dual zone climate on a 50K car? That’s hilarious even muscle cars provides that.
I love how people say BMW like its a bad thing. Supra sounds better, is faster and can hold up to 1000hp from factory. Unless youre a brand dick rider, who gives a fuck how the car was put together, as long as the mother fucking thing performs, send that shit!
At 50k, it just ain't it. That's pushing supra territory used c7's etc. Cars that outshine the interior for sure and at 50k, it makes the heavy carry overs of the past 370z, noticeable. The performance upgrades over the sport is not worth 10k. But I do want an LSD just not for fucking 10k. Sad day indeed. I will no longer be buying this car. They not only let Toyota catch up with a manual supra, but after 2 years of waiting and scoping out the car, they hit me with 50k -_-. Nissan had it and very likely blew it for themselves. They "bragged" about how it was equipped with a 6 speed, which is what made it that much better.......like 2 years ago. Toyota will take this one indeed. smh nissan. disappointed.
I mean the Z is looking to be every bit as capable as the Supra and thus pretty close to the C7 Corvette.... The Supra's Manual is also rumored to cost 2-3K as an option, so I think most would be hard pressed to say the Supra with a stick is worth another 6-8K over the Z. This is also just the initial release of Z's, more options and packages are likely to come over the next few months that fill in the gap between base and top trims. But with that said the used car argument really has never really work especially with how used cars are priced right now, Its just not an apples to apples comparison as there are far too many variables and unknowns to take into consideration when buying used.
Used supras are going for over 55k. You'll be 60k out the door for a new one. The supra isn't 10 grand better than this car. Also, c7 stingrays are definitely faster, they don't hold up as well in other areas, especially the interior.
I’m on the waitlist for the new Z; however, 51k is a little much for those cheap interior bits and road noise. I’ll wait for the manual Supra and new M2 before making my move. Sorry Nissan.
Same here might just go for the Supra though, I prefer the looks over the current m cars and the b58 while slower than the s5x engines, I think they sound much better for an inline 6
50k for the “performance” is insane, i agree with most that pricing should have been 35-40k base and performance at 45k. LSD should have been included in base, my 2022 BRZ WR Blue has LSD, heated seats and in my opinion a more updated / timeless interior than the new Z all for 32k
It’s priced pretty competitively considering. But no, your interior doesn’t look more updated and timeless then the z. Steering wheel is hideous and all the plastic around the screen and air controls is just not it.
@@StrongerThanEver84 me personally in the 30k range would go for a gr86 and in the 40k range a mustang gt 50k has nothing that seems to be a good deal 60k pushing it base model zl1
More competition is a good thing. If the Z didn't have a manual I wonder if the Supra would have ever come out with one. Either way, unless you are a Z enthusiast, the way this car is priced doesn't make much sense and I don't think buyers will gravitate towards it. The GR 86/Supra are too good in their respective categories.
The base Nissan Z is just under 40k, which is cheaper than the price of a 2.0 AUTOMATIC ONLY Supra. The 50k Nissan Z is slightly cheaper than the 51k base 3.0 Supra, and and cheaper than the 55k 3.0 Premium. I don’t know why people in the market wouldn’t gravitate for this car. GR86/BRZ buyers aren’t the same buyers. This car isn’t a Miata.
@@googleface5 I'm broke but I'd go for supra if I could at the very least because of active suspension and exhaust, they sound soooo good. I know you can always go aftermarket but that isn't coming right now and you don't really know what sound you'll get with an exhaust until you get it
@@MattMaranMotoring - You should test drive the 2022 base 230i BMW Coupe. I just bought one. It’s great and I got it for about $35k. Real nice new design with beautiful interior. No need to get the much more expensive M240i or even get the MSport or Dynamic handling option. T green is 230i is an incredibly fun car to drive. It’s rear wheel and has a 50/50 weight distribution. Weighs 3500lbs. Test drive it in base trim. I think it’s a real bargain compared to other more expensive luxury sports cars. The only negative is no manual option …yet! I hope BMW copies Toyota Supra example.
When they first teased it, I hoped it would be a clean slate design. Exterior styling is nice and there are some updates over the 370... but not enough to really justify the price. A used 370 might look old but it's going to be a bargain compared to this. At full new price, I think there's just too many other new designs that offer more performance and arguably more modern and higher quality interiors.
Too bad prices are stupid right now (or were last time I looked). Sat in a used 2020 370z base with 1k miles or so, asked for a price (last year). They were asking $39999.
Thank you Matt for the thorough first look, I’m actually considering this car in about 8-10 months if budget allows. Also you’ve made the first 40 mins of work fly by! (Not much work had been done though 🤷♂️)
I was originally under the impression that you had to get the performance edition to get the turbo 6, and 50k for 400hp sounded TERRIBLE compared to a base GT mustang or LT1 camaro putting out 450 for $35k. Finally getting corrected that its much closer to 40k for the base model that has the same engine makes me much happier about this car.
Dude, IMHO you're one of the best youtube car testers. My only gripe is it's okay to make comparisons with the Z's competition, but I don't want to see pictures of the BRZ, or the Supra, or the Mustang. If I wanted to look at those cars I'd tune into a video of them. Stay focused on the subject at hand. And (to answer your question) yes I am a 'never die' Nissan fan. I currently drive a '91 twin turbo 300ZX !
In Australia these are selling for $20k less than the 6 cylinder Supra, I’m surprised the US market is getting screwed so hard, it’s normally the other way around. Personally these are a massive nostalgia trip, there’s a lot of 300zx in that interior with the cloth everywhere. No regrets with my order, it’s a Z, the interior is supposed to be cheap and durable (and UV resistant).
@Kerim Temel nope, 90k drive away is the Australian proto spec. We don’t get a base and performance model here. The 73k Z is the equivalent of the American performance model and sits at 80k drive away AUD.
Wow Matt, that acceleration was surprising. the first part of the video seemed so calm and disappointing but then it opened up! for 40kish this might be a good buy
Yeah the amount you save with the base model compared to the zupra you can get one awesome set of Öhlins Road & Track DFV coilovers and some sway bars to get that handling razor sharp, hopefully most of the 370z suspension goodies bolt right up.
We need to be very happy this car exists…even though (in the USA) there should have been a mid point model that offered the top spec brakes and diff. For me though, I’m happy with my 2022 BRZ and a bunch of change.
For 50k. Base Supra all day long. For my money at least. I do think it’s a good looking car in that blue though and I’ll be happy to see them on the road.
Like everyone else, i was really disappointed on the pricing. If the performance was on the $43-46k it would’ve been better. $50k (plus taxes and destination) is just too much. And don’t even get me started with dealer markups that this thing is going to get.
Exactly! I've been waiting for this car since it was announced only to see that they really overpriced the Performance trim. This will easily be over 60k out the door with the crappy dealer markups. I'm going for the GR86 and save thousands. Heck, I can even get a used daily with the money leftover. It's ridiculous.
Everything is spot on but 2 things. 1: Fuel door is WAY to big. 2: Lower exposed grille needs a body color matched panel with vents to clean up the bottom part better.
This car was introduced as a mid 30k dollar sports car for the masses and at 51k its everyday enthusiast allure loses its luster. The car has an interior that looks like it borrows materials from some of its 20k dollar Nissan mates. At 51k before dealer mark up, the Supra looks like a better choice and it's not ever really close.
Introduced when? 20 years ago? 30? It doesn't seem that you took into account inflation. If your numbers were adjusted for inflation you should have explained how.
I really wanted to like this car, but at 50k it really doesn’t make sense when the manual Supra is just around the corner. Looking at that interior and seeing the same switchgear as my old 2005 G35 is such a turnoff
Great review Matt! Thank you for doing this very detailed review. I think 51k is too much. I also think the lsd should be in the lower trim atleast as an option. I personally drive a Veloster N. I know it not close in power. However, just being able to experience all those feature for less makes the car more enjoyable. Hopefully the options will trickle down.
Slower cars are more fun. Enjoy your Veloster for everything it’s worth. I’ve had 335i, Porsche Cayman GTS and more and my favorite cars have been slower ones. You can really row through the gears, hammer the throttle to redline and simply enjoy it more. 0-60 in 3 seconds means you can almost never really get on it.
As exciting as the new Z is, I still can’t help thinking I’d rather buy the GR86. Sure not an apples to apples comparison, but I feel the GR86 offers a better driving experience for a whole lot less $$. Prob more practical of a daily sports car too..and more fun on a track.
What a beautiful car especially in blue. Years ago I wanted to trade my 350Z in on a new 370, I drove several on the freeway and it was the loudest car in terms of road noise I had ever driven. I’m mean really loud. The gearshift would vibrate and the engine at above 5000 rpm was harsh and thrashy. It was as if there was no sound deadening. I had to pass. I’m hoping those traits are gone because want a new Z!
This is very meaningful to me, my very 1st MANUAL sporty car after I learned stick was the 280ZX with T-Tops my old man bought for me. . 🤟 I thank my father till this day. R.I.P 🙏
$45k for the Performance trim would have been the sweet spot. But at $51k, it's too close to the supra price tag. Lots of good used cars for the $50k mark!
Great review Matt! I'm not in the market but I appreciate the critique on this car. Seems like everywhere I looked I saw nothing but praise for it and hearing a little bit of the opposite is nice. I drive a Mustang GT with a manual and I am not looking for a replacement but like many of us, I am always window shopping. 😛 Again, great job!
Hello Matt! another entertaining,exciting to watch,and fair review! there's a handful of you guys that review these fast cars who i tune into,to distract me from the all of the ridiculousness that's typically in the news these days;so back to the review...being you've owned a Bullitt-mustang for awhile,have you experienced any issues with leaks,ticking,etc during YOUR ownership over some time now? ive always wondered about the Bullitt since i once had my eye on that car before too;now which car do you prefer between the Bullitt and this new Z? i also was a little surprised looking at it side-by-side with the supra's profile on the stance,and height-difference being taller per say(which explains the Z's seating positioning height)
The Z is a treat for the senses . Emotional satisfaction is a big part of the sports car experience, and the Z does this much better than the almost evil looking supra.
Thorough review Matt. 👍 I watched the other Matt (Farah) review this car and you both seem to be impressed with the Z. For me, I'll go with your driving impressions, however, I think the styling is dated and too plain since they tried to blend THREE model Zs into one. Overall, I'm glad this simplistic manual Nissan below $50k exists. 👌
People be like "$40k for 400hp is a bargain!" like the mustang and camaro dont exist lol. both which have more hp, more torque, 10 speeds and better sounding exhausts out of the box
@@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS why are people so fucking brand loyal? 😂🤡 I’d love to have a Japanese or European car aswell but the performance per dollar just isn’t there
@@drunkpolack7612 I guess its just that at the end of the day, to most people, American cars aren't special outside of a Corvette. Like yeah the mustang has more power but it's still a mustang, nobody looks at a them with awe besides older mustang owners and even then they'll complain that it's not a real mustang like the 69/70/71 or the s197.
@@drunkpolack7612 have to disagree bud. Quite a lot of today's cars are pretty good. I think you just have to get out of that mindset that everyone is gonna use these for roll racing lol
The price reveal is what killed it, 50K is Supra or M240i money. Or you can save money and get a Mustang GT or Camaro. It’s like what’s the point of this car? The automatic is going to be a slushbox compared to the Supra and the interior of the Z looks super cheap for 50K. It’s insane!
They overpriced this by 8k. 42-43k, it's perfectly priced. at 51k, it should be dead in the war. Let's not pretend at the end of the day, this is not a car that is essentially a suped up version of a parts bind car. Outside of the shell, it's all reused parts.
I'm happy you told the truth about the car. I've always been a Z fan, but have lost a lot of faith in Nissan. The new Z will be a hit with the Z community but it's lacking a lot for a modern sports car. I think as you mentioned, the Supra will be the better car dynamicly. It's a shame the don't offer any type of adjustable suspension ( electronic dampers /magnetic ride ) at all for the Z. That's honestly a deal breaker for me. And I'm assuming the Z doesn't have adjustable steering as well or any type of "track mode"? Just a display change ? I'm glad they are making an accessable sports car at a decent price point - but for the money, I think I'll just stick with a 1le Camaro or entertain a Supra manual when they are released. There's too much of the 370z and 350z in the "new Z". It's like Nissan went shopping in the parts bin and fitted everything to a 20 year old 350z FM chassis.
I'm not sure what Nissan is thinking. I have a 2017 370z Sport, which I love. The upgraded brakes, 19" Rays wheels, front and rear spoiler, limited slip differential, rev match 6-speed manual transmission and 8 speaker Bose stereo were all STANDARD, starting around $33K (only $3.5K more than the Base model). Now you only get those features if you spend $51K.
Had a 370z myself, that interior door panel is an exact copy of it 100%. Lazy to see that and that cheap and flimsy center console. Nitpicks? Probably. Expect better for their asking price? Definitely.
It's the same chassis it's still a z34 because it was too expensive for Nissan to get a new chassis certified by the Japanese government so there's going to be a bit of carryover
@@nhilist5774 Yeah I understand that. I guess it’s just disappointing to see the exact same door panel and center console. Like with the door AC vent, I understand there’s not much they can do with that but still could have redesigned it some.
Hmmm , Call me cynical but car companies are using the screen size to get you to upgrade to a far more expensive model.. I mean how much is an inch of screen worth ? 45 bux?
The upgraded trim is a whole lot more than just a "bigger screen." Forged Wheels and bigger tires are easily gonna be close to $2k. Limited slip? $1k easy. Heated leather seats? Easily over a grand. Bigger brakes? couple hundred easy. Sports exhaust? Close to $1k easy. Sports suspension? Over a grand easy. Add all that with a larger screen plus auto rev match and launch control? that's pretty much $10k right there if you upgrade that yourself
@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars in the Z's case it's pretty obvious that the selling point of the expensive trim is the performance goodies, and not the screen. . .
I can tell this is gonna be a car i would highly enjoy you review confirming its set up with the things i really like good torque, good turbo , looks like a fantastic car. Awesome review 👏
I was considering a performance trim Z until the price was revealed. I could accept $4k-$5k above the base car, but $10k? I removed my name from the dealers wait list and will now purchase the Mazda MX5 instead. Way to go Nissan by pricing your affordable sports car above $50k!
Why not just buy the base model and spend 3k upgrading the brakes and suspension? The performance brakes aren’t great anyways and would need upgrading to track anyways.
@@bonda_racing3579 the brakes on the performance aren’t anything to brag about from what I’ve heard. They used bad brake pads so those would get replaced anyways. The spoiler I can live without. I’ll probably buy a sport in November or December then upgrade the brakes and suspension myself. Hopefully the rear dif is still the same dimensions as the 370 so I can get an LSD as well. All in all itll cost me around 4k to get it to spec with the performance.
Yeah… they did totally drop the ball on pricing. This could have been a fantastic sell if it started at $30 or $35k base, $40k for the higher end trims. There is just no scenario in which someone in that market does not end up buying something else. What are they going for here? What’s the sell supposed to be?
@@Elchurrodurro I guess. I don’t know if consumers are cross-shopping the Z and the BRZ, but I’m sure some are and that’s was probably part of what determined the price point of the Z. It’s just hard to imagine you could find a lightly used GT350 for $60k or a fully-optioned, more practical, more powerful Mustang GT (for example) for the same price…. Why would anyone get the Z? I’m sure people loved the original and may have sentimental motivation but I can’t imagine that’s a very big market.
I suspect we will see a 300hp version start around 35k in a year or so. Nissan just wants the more potent version out first to capitalize on sales. It’s the same engine and tuning potential so the Z will be insane value once that version is out.
The Supra is definitely a better vehicle overall, this isn’t really premium in the slightest. The base model is such a good value though for the price.
I think it is near-unanimous, Nissan blew it on the pricing. The original Z was an unheard of performance bargain back in it's day. This car had the potential to be the legendary performance bargain of our era. As it is priced/configured now, it will only appeal to those with particular use cases: Nissan nostalgia nerds, styling preference, more relaxed gt feel/visibility over Supra, etc. I think Nissan bought into the hype but the hype was for 400hp on the cheap, and 50k ain't cheap. Hopefully Toyota doesn't make the same mistake with the GR Corolla, which at the end of the day is still a Corolla.
The original z was also carbureted, single cam, naturally aspirated, had no amenities, no safety features, and had thin metal. Of course it doesn't compare.
Price really killed it, especially for the cheap interior bits. Manual Supra on the horizon, definitely has my eyes now Also, a 6th gen SS 1le will out price and run laps around this thing. They really dropped the ball on price to performance
@@Luke-cb3ly American performance just kills it with price to performance. These imports keep lacking behind At least the Supra has quality interior, top notch track and drag times, incredible looks and a manual on the way. Even if it is a tad bit overpriced, it’s the only current import I can somewhat justify the price mark
@@bh2155 outdated? the Camaro's infotainmant system is better than the Z's, and so is the ten-speed automatic. and the Camaro's suspension and chassis are even better. it's a 2+2, it has more power, more torque, it's faster on the track and on the straights... don't get me wrong, but the Z should be at most 42k. Compared with Supra, Camaro 1LE, Mustang Mach 1 it's pretty hard to like the Z.
@@Luke-cb3ly I do agree the Z is overpriced. The Camaro maybe the better performer. However for me appearance counts and with the exception of a few minor refreshes in the grill, front and rear head lights the Camaro looks basically the same as it did 12 years ago.
is it me or does the interior looks cheap? like cup holders have inner scuffs already. Rear area behind the seat looks odd material wise....sorta 350z quality.
I think the price is fine personally, I trip out people bring up a mustang gt being 40k but that is for a bottom of the line one, I built one in the website with the options I wanted and it was 57k before tax.
Think my days of buying new sports cars is over. Used to flip through them year after year, got to experience a lot of different cars. Prices are just to nuts now. Going keep a daily and my early 2000s shit box to play around in.
Great review Matt. I love the F&F Nos reference for the Z’s boost coming on. Very interested to see full comparison reviews of this car with other sports cars. Jason Cammisa did a short one on 1/4 mile performance only.
I discuss the power comparison in the video, it's hard to compare with the Supra having 8 shorter gears, but until I drive the manual Supra, the current Supra definitely feels faster (and is faster). I'd personally take the Supra still.
Excellent review with more than just the superficial - actually thinking and comparing to the competition. The one thing I want to know is whether you can actually feel the double wishbone front suspension hardware giving you an advantage in corners. In the GR86 there is a little stickiness in the front suspension on bumpy corners from those struts that cause the front to skip a little. Being that the Z weighs 700+ lbs more, possibly the feel of the double wishbone is not there as much as it could be. I would think this would also be an advantage over the Supra, but it didn't seem like you noticed a difference. I realize strut can be pretty good if it's well designed and built.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it! I didn't feel much difference in the front suspension with the double wishbone on these roads that were in pretty good shape overall.
It really looks like a great car, but I don't think I'd rather have it than my Supra. I'd buy the performance version of this b/c I'd hate myself not getting all the goodies, so the price would be similar, and similar performance in the real world it seems, which kinda makes it a toss up in terms of how it is to live with and aesthetics. In the aesthetics dept while I like the elements in this of the 240Z, the 370Z, and the 300ZX, it also feels like a bit of an identity crisis. Like the car doesn't have an identity of its own, it's just taking key elements of all parents past. So I'm not quite sold on the aesthetics. And in terms of living with this compared to the supra, this is probably a bit more livable it seems (softer suspension, more visibility, etc.), but those aren't things that bother me about the supra so I'm not really feeling the regret. I kinda like that laser-like German precision of the Supra and the suspension isn't really firm enough to bother me. It's worlds better than my 987 in terms of suspension compliance in the real world driving.
Thanks! And no, GR86/BRZ handle way better and have enough power to have plenty of fun at legal speeds. The huge price savings just further strengthens that position.
Excellent review Matt! I gotta ask... What car would put the bigger smile on your face just driving it on the streets... GR86 or Z? I'm torn between these two but the difference is roughly $22g CDN. I'm leaning toward the idea of having more fun driving a slow car fast. Please let me know if you find the time. Cheers!
Thanks! I would say the Z is a little more exciting with the extra power and more twitchy back end, but I don't think it's 20k more fun. If it were my money I'd go GR86.
@@MattMaranMotoring thanks for the reply! That's exactly what I needed to hear. GR86 should be all that I need and I'll take that extra money and put it somewhere else. Looking forward to watching your next GR86 video. 👍😁
@@MattMaranMotoring I finally just saw my first GR86 in the wild and wow, I had to stop and circle it a few times with a huge smile on my face. 😄 Such a cool little car! My old car was an '01 Prelude so this one isn't quite as long but much sportier and modern looking. Anyway, I'll be sure to watch your new GR86 video as soon as its posted today Matt. 😁👍
My top two choices for next car will still be between the Camaro 2SS 1LE and manual Supra. The new Z seems overpriced to me for what you're getting. I thought Supra was overpriced because BMW, and that the Z would easily undercut it, but that didn't really happen. The top spec Z should be $40-45k at most. The backup camera looks 480p and the touchscreen looks like it functions about like a sub $100 android tablet from Walmart.
Was really hoping the performance would come in at $45-47k. $50k is too much and makes me want to look at higher trim cars like the Supra manual or M2 comp or new M2. This car was only on my radar and most others of it was a bargain. It still is in this economy but not as much to justify all of its shortcomings. I don’t see $10k worth of upgrades to go from sport to performance. I’d rather take the $10k saved and put in coil overs, lsd, recaro seats, big brakes, and maybe an exhaust. I imagine most will be doing the same, especially in a few years once deprivation finally kicks back in and you can get one used for $30k.
Inflation. Your money doesn’t go as far as it used to therefore 50k isn’t 50k when the 370 came out. Plus a stiffer chassis, way more power and torque, LSD etc make it a good package for the money.
41 grand (with destination) for a downgrade in the brakes, wheels, tires, suspension, no LSD, lacking amenities like heated seats, not even the nice pedals? 😆 Naaah. I know it's still a 400hp twin turbo, but I'd rather spend just over 30 grand on the little premium GR86. It's apples and oranges, but a better value for the money (for me.) If I was willing to spend over 50 grand on a sports car, I might consider the premium Z but there's just enough about it at that price that I don't like as much as I want to. Thanks for another great video. 👍🏼
I think if they just put the LSD in the base trim or made that an option for that trim it would fix the pricing issue. That’s really the only necessary upgrade for the performance trim IMO.
Agree. For a 400hp car LSD is NOT optional. If it had been standard equipment in the base at $42k the trim difference would still be $8k. Nissan might have left it out in order to reach an desired price point. Too clever by half.
If you notice lack of boost, you can then look at the turbo rpm gauge. If it seems to be spinning normally, then you know you have a boost leak. If not - gotta be exhaust leak before the turbo or a ceased turbo :)
I am Miata owner, I will always be driving Miata….but I am glad Nissan is coming out with their own car instead of using other manufacturers motors. I would get 400z over Supra any day.
Just reach out to everyone on the forums and tell them not to buy them until the price goes down. The longer they sit on the lot, the more the dealership loses money.
I've owned 4 Z-cars, including a 2015 370z Sport 6MT. My only complaints about that car were 1) Lack of telescoping steering wheel and 2) Crappy stock seats. It looks like the "new" Z addresses those concerns, plus adds power and technology.
Here are my issues with this car:
This is a parts bin car. It's clearly a tweaked 370z with an engine swap to a powerplant Nissan/Infiniti has already made for several years. That would be fine, except that in order to get one with an LSD and Akebono brakes (carried over from the 370z), you pay $50k+, and that's not even including inevitable dealer mark-ups. For comparison- Less than 3 years ago, you could buy a brand new 370z Sport (LSD, Akebono brakes, 19 inch Rays wheels) for under $35k. Nissan has essentially raised the price of the equivalent "new" Z by $15k+ over the 370z, without building a new chassis. That's not good for consumers. They've priced this to compete with the Supra, disregarding the incredible value proposition this car could have been.
If we look at the base model, it's still $40k+. That might not seem bad, but it's still $10k more than what you could buy a base 370z for less than 3 years ago. It's also more than you can currently pay for a base Mustang GT or Camaro LT1. Even in the current inflated market, those cars are selling for under $40k in many parts of the country. You could buy a brand new 7th Gen Corvette for under $55k 2 or 3 years ago. As much as a love the Z, that's a better sports car. Even now there are used, low-mileage C7s out there for well under $50k.
I think this Z34.5 would be a home run if the base model started at $35k, and the performance trim topped out at $42-43k. I just don't think we're getting enough "new" sports car for the price.
I agree. I rather buy the 86. It’s hard to justify 10k to jump on to the Base Z. The Z is really fighting against two Toyotas the 86 and the Supra. And the base z looses out to the 86 and performance z looses to the Supra manual
I completely agree. They should have started at 35k with a 300hp version to go with the 245 width tires and no LSD. Then a 10k jump in price would be legit for 100 more hp, better wheels/tires, LSD, etc.
I partially agree, yes I feel the price for a parts bin car is on the high side considering they just used left over parts and chasis. But if you think about it if you twin turbo a 370z sport (35k price like you mention), a properly tuned TT kit w/ supporting mods will put you right there with a 50k MSRP of this one, so basically you are just paying for a factory TT. They should have made one with an NA VQ37 and left it like you said.
@@DrHistoryV A twin turbo VQ37 makes a lot more power than the 3.0 TT in the new Z.
Yea you’re right, but considering a new GTI SE is $42k (absurd), it starts to look pretty good…..or not as bad.
Great review Matt. Props for keeping it real. It seems like virtually all the other reviewers drunk the press launch Kool-Aid.
Thank you for appreciating the honesty and thanks for stopping by!
correct me if I'm wrong, but ain't a loaded Supra around $62k?
@@stevornrichards1380 Yep 22k can buy a lot of aftermarket parts to make a base model handle on rails and stop on a dime, especially if the 370z aftermarket transfers over. Can not wait to see what channels start doing with these!
@@anydaynow01 yeah except I'm not sure how many people are going to buy the base model Z, most people are spending the 52-60K
@@shunsuikyoraku5428 Idk how many people will get the base model either, but the tuners definitely will.
Not only is this priced a little heftier than what I was expecting, but prepare for 15%+ dealer markups because of the enthusiast value, just like the GR Corolla will have and the Civic Type R had and still has.
Deadass. Type R been out 5 years and selling for 48k+
you wont find one for less than 70k sadly
Wait until Christmas. They will be stacking up on dealer lots.
We all have to refuse to pay markups.
Why is that with the type R? Do they make less than say, the last sti or the wrx. The markups aren’t really as bad with Subaru
Sport:$ 39,990
Performance:$49,990
Proto:$52,990
Figured I'd save everyone some time who just want to see prices.
Sport is the way to go👍🏾
I included the prices in the description too.
@@MattMaranMotoring I didn't see. Thank you sir!
@@ezmiami305 you can find any car without a markup if you look hard enough. Got my wife a 21 forester back in October amid shortages and got 3k off msrp.
Looks amazing the front grille is growing on me. This is the first interior from a Z car I actually liked. Wonder if they switched to Michelins or a better tire would the rear end would be a little more planted? Excellent review Matt as always. Still the best!
Up here in Canada gas is INSANELY expensive right now thanks to our Gov't. Premium fuel is well over $8 a US Gallon. I could see MPG affecting buyers up here if they chose this as a daily.
I really appreciate you taking a reasonably critical approach to this review. I'm not particularly blown away by what I'm seeing from this new Z, especially for the money, but I'm sure that those who are seeking out this particular formula and/or really like the way this looks will be happy with their purchase.
The fanboy crowd will alway go get it no matter how the reviews are just like the supra back in 2019 but for the enthusiast crowd that really cares and are cross shopping, Nissan is not making it easy for people to chose the z over the supra, they really dropped the ball on the pricing.
@@Marc-ty5sz for 50 grand there’s no shot that this new Z should actually be competitive, it’s punching way above its wieght in not only performance but also materials. I mean the supra is a bmw at the end of the day and this ain’t no mustang. Totally not worth it at all
This is cheaper than the base Supra 2L, Golf R, etc. Wtf more do you want?
@@OhgodImtoosexy I think the majority of us were expecting these to be about 10% cheaper in all trim levels, and for an LSD to be accessible at all trims
@@SpartanArmy117 exactly. I've owned a loaded 2015 GT PP and 2020 GT350, and this car isn't anywhere on my radar because the value and "wow" proposition aren't really there, mainly because of that price and a few peculiarities. Oddly enough, I'm actively hunting for GR86s on the daily.
Suddenly that BMW M Coupe (sorry, meant GR Supra) is looking a lot better. Funny how that works. Lighter, faster, more confidence inspiring, better handling.
And way better interior quality.
It’s great to see a sports car with a manual like this. I just purchased a base 2022 BMW 230i coupe. It’s a fantastic choice. If you avoid the long list of options like the MSport and Dynamic handling package, it about $40k tops. It drive great with plenty of power with 255hp and 295 torque. The most fun to drive BMW on a budget!
Thank you. Everyone is chasing horsepower numbers and forgetting the connection between driver and car. I like going fast, but a well balanced car puts a massive smile on my face as well.
As someone that has never owned a Nissan, this had my attention for a while. However, 50k for the “real” version of the car is too steep. I went from being willing to put in an order and waiting however long it took to get one to researching what cars I could get for 50k. In short, they just priced themselves out of a buyer who was willing to give Nissan a shot for a car in the 40’s but I’m not dropping 50k for that car.
@@SpartanArmy117 yes but then you'd have a Ford mustang wouldn't you lol nah I agree with OP 40K was the appeal
I think if you just want a cruiser, then the base model will be fine and that is definitely in the 40s. I watched the Savage Geese video on the car and was really impressed about Nissan’s approach to making it a great performance car value, in my opinion.
A Mustang or Camero V8 are in the mid $40K range. Any Germans, S5, M440i, C43 are in the $60K range. Supra 3.0 starts at $54K range.
@@SpartanArmy117 I also prefer a Mustang. And as my one and only daily driver I value the larger trunk space in the Mustang.
@@SpartanArmy117 fool
This car has so much more soul than the supra. At least there are some elements that tie it back to the older machines. Plus can anyone deny this looks sooo good?
$50,000 lol I remember when you could get a brand new 2015-2017 mustang 5.0 for 30k plus the supercharger to make 800+hp for $40,000 with full warranty!
I think base Corvettes in 08 were in the low 40s.
The dollar lost ALOT of value. I remember when a gallon of regular gas wasn't $5. BTW this car will be smacking all those 5.0s with just a tune. Q50/Q60s do it with no problem and they are alot heavier and just luxury sedan/ coupes
@@SpartanArmy117 this z beats the 5.0 in a quarter mile with better tires. They put bad tires on this car so it spins. With Michelin tires it beats the mustang supra and Aston Martin vantage in a quart mile
@@SpartanArmy117 Tunes are stupid cheap $400 for a Jb4 +120whp.. No 5.0 gains that much with that little money. Added downpipes +65whp, etc... You get the point. Noone is buying this to keep it stock
@@jaredm4873no it doesn’t lmao this thing weighs a lot more and makes a lot less power to the wheels than the stock Supra. There’s been tons of drag races between the 3 and the Mustang/Supra pull ahead every time even on equal tires. Savagegeese has a few videos comparing the Mustang/Supra/Z with them all on the same tires, Z loses in every race dead last.
Come on Nissan, an LSD is non-negotiable and must be included in all trim levels. You have my money if you can make it happen. The far cheaper BRZ didn't make that mistake.
What is lsd?
@@usernameisusername A drug.
The BRZ doesn't have a VR30 engine with 400hp, Brembo brakes, etc. This is already cheaper than the base Supra 2L, the Golf R, etc.
@@OhgodImtoosexy not helpful
@@OhgodImtoosexy The BRZ/86 also doesn’t have the extra 800lbs or 20 year old chassis.
Appreciate the honest review. So many articles and videos on this car were done so without integrity. Always appreciate you looking at cars as a car enthusiast and not a salesman.
50K is a tough sale. Sure the Supra is a “BMW” but for the money you pay it’s actually worth it for the interior you get, the transmission is better and the engine definitely puts out more horsepower than advertised. The only option for the Z that makes sense is the base model. That interior in the Z has some super cheap looking stuff and you can tell where it shares 370Z parts with. Also lol no dual zone climate on a 50K car? That’s hilarious even muscle cars provides that.
I love how people say BMW like its a bad thing. Supra sounds better, is faster and can hold up to 1000hp from factory. Unless youre a brand dick rider, who gives a fuck how the car was put together, as long as the mother fucking thing performs, send that shit!
My 2017 $25K Civic Si offers that as well as adaptive dampers, Limited Slip Dif, and heated seats. All things that the 40K Z doesnt have. What a joke.
It's a two seater. Do you really need dual zone climate control? It's snug as hell in there.
Is it 50k before or after Mark up?
@@pherron7471 for 50k you better be getting every bell and whistle. Regardless how many seats it has.
Don't worry about the price tag Matt, by tomorrow morning the price tag for the base model will be easily 100k to 150k because of Dealership markups.
Probably 20 grand more I'd agree with that statement. Yeah the dealers are out of hand, I ain't buying for a long time.
At 50k, it just ain't it. That's pushing supra territory used c7's etc. Cars that outshine the interior for sure and at 50k, it makes the heavy carry overs of the past 370z, noticeable. The performance upgrades over the sport is not worth 10k. But I do want an LSD just not for fucking 10k. Sad day indeed. I will no longer be buying this car. They not only let Toyota catch up with a manual supra, but after 2 years of waiting and scoping out the car, they hit me with 50k -_-. Nissan had it and very likely blew it for themselves. They "bragged" about how it was equipped with a 6 speed, which is what made it that much better.......like 2 years ago. Toyota will take this one indeed. smh nissan. disappointed.
I mean the Z is looking to be every bit as capable as the Supra and thus pretty close to the C7 Corvette.... The Supra's Manual is also rumored to cost 2-3K as an option, so I think most would be hard pressed to say the Supra with a stick is worth another 6-8K over the Z. This is also just the initial release of Z's, more options and packages are likely to come over the next few months that fill in the gap between base and top trims.
But with that said the used car argument really has never really work especially with how used cars are priced right now, Its just not an apples to apples comparison as there are far too many variables and unknowns to take into consideration when buying used.
Used supras are going for over 55k. You'll be 60k out the door for a new one. The supra isn't 10 grand better than this car. Also, c7 stingrays are definitely faster, they don't hold up as well in other areas, especially the interior.
I’m on the waitlist for the new Z; however, 51k is a little much for those cheap interior bits and road noise. I’ll wait for the manual Supra and new M2 before making my move. Sorry Nissan.
M2 maybe, Zupra...
test the corolla GR
The M2 will be more expensive than the 400z for similar performance and fun factor
Same here might just go for the Supra though, I prefer the looks over the current m cars and the b58 while slower than the s5x engines, I think they sound much better for an inline 6
@@holeefok3158 no one is going to be able to easily test a GR Corolla man. Lmao. More likely then not, every car will be sold before touching a lot.
50k for the “performance” is insane, i agree with most that pricing should have been 35-40k base and performance at 45k.
LSD should have been included in base, my 2022 BRZ WR Blue has LSD, heated seats and in my opinion a more updated / timeless interior than the new Z all for 32k
Your BRZ doesn't have the twin-turbo 400hp VR30, Brembo brakes, etc. The base is already cheaper than the base Supra 2L, Golf R, Civic Type R, etc.
@@OhgodImtoosexy the brakes aren’t Brembo.
I don't know why anyone cares what brand the brakes are
It’s priced pretty competitively considering. But no, your interior doesn’t look more updated and timeless then the z. Steering wheel is hideous and all the plastic around the screen and air controls is just not it.
Because yours BRZ is NA p plater mobile
With that huge price and performance difference between the two base should be 35k performance 45k. Much better cars in the 50k range
i'll take a SS 1LE over this anyday
@@StrongerThanEver84 right?
@@StrongerThanEver84 me personally in the 30k range would go for a gr86 and in the 40k range a mustang gt 50k has nothing that seems to be a good deal 60k pushing it base model zl1
This thing really just made the Supra look way better. Especially with the manual over the horizon
Nissan had the bag and dropped it
@@gameplay_unknown8658 the supra is the better car then ur ZL1 for the 50k price range
Honestly, I absolutely love this car. If I were to buy this, I would get in that blue and maybe swap out that grille for a mesh honeycomb one!
More competition is a good thing. If the Z didn't have a manual I wonder if the Supra would have ever come out with one. Either way, unless you are a Z enthusiast, the way this car is priced doesn't make much sense and I don't think buyers will gravitate towards it. The GR 86/Supra are too good in their respective categories.
The base Nissan Z is just under 40k, which is cheaper than the price of a 2.0 AUTOMATIC ONLY Supra. The 50k Nissan Z is slightly cheaper than the 51k base 3.0 Supra, and and cheaper than the 55k 3.0 Premium. I don’t know why people in the market wouldn’t gravitate for this car. GR86/BRZ buyers aren’t the same buyers. This car isn’t a Miata.
Supra is getting a manual. If it cost less than 50k, then I would choose the Supra over this imo
@@googleface5 I'm broke but I'd go for supra if I could at the very least because of active suspension and exhaust, they sound soooo good. I know you can always go aftermarket but that isn't coming right now and you don't really know what sound you'll get with an exhaust until you get it
sweet bro!! Nice review. I had fun with mine this week too!
Thanks man! That’s awesome you got a press car so fast!
@@MattMaranMotoring - You should test drive the 2022 base 230i BMW Coupe. I just bought one. It’s great and I got it for about $35k. Real nice new design with beautiful interior. No need to get the much more expensive M240i or even get the MSport or Dynamic handling option. T green is 230i is an incredibly fun car to drive. It’s rear wheel and has a 50/50 weight distribution. Weighs 3500lbs. Test drive it in base trim. I think it’s a real bargain compared to other more expensive luxury sports cars. The only negative is no manual option …yet! I hope BMW copies Toyota Supra example.
@@rembo183 damn.. in Spain this car costs 52k euros
I think the digital tripod gauges in the dash will 100% be an mid-gen refresh or nismo enhancement
Toyota introducing the manual to the Supra really hurts the Z but I’m glad Nissan is even making a new one
When they first teased it, I hoped it would be a clean slate design. Exterior styling is nice and there are some updates over the 370... but not enough to really justify the price. A used 370 might look old but it's going to be a bargain compared to this. At full new price, I think there's just too many other new designs that offer more performance and arguably more modern and higher quality interiors.
Too bad prices are stupid right now (or were last time I looked). Sat in a used 2020 370z base with 1k miles or so, asked for a price (last year). They were asking $39999.
Yeah 370z is not a bargain on the used market at the moment. You’re better off buying a new Z with a factory warranty and 0 miles.
this is gonna be much quicker than a 370 though for sure.
The VR30 is much superior to the VQ engine. It derived from the legendary VR38. This Z is superior to the 370 in EVERY WAY.
got to always have a cry baby
Thank you Matt for the thorough first look, I’m actually considering this car in about 8-10 months if budget allows. Also you’ve made the first 40 mins of work fly by! (Not much work had been done though 🤷♂️)
I was originally under the impression that you had to get the performance edition to get the turbo 6, and 50k for 400hp sounded TERRIBLE compared to a base GT mustang or LT1 camaro putting out 450 for $35k. Finally getting corrected that its much closer to 40k for the base model that has the same engine makes me much happier about this car.
Dude, IMHO you're one of the best youtube car testers. My only gripe is it's okay to make comparisons with the Z's competition, but I don't want to see pictures of the BRZ, or the Supra, or the Mustang. If I wanted to look at those cars I'd tune into a video of them. Stay focused on the subject at hand. And (to answer your question) yes I am a 'never die' Nissan fan. I currently drive a '91 twin turbo 300ZX !
This is such a beautiful car. Especially the back end. I would buy one today if I could. Great review as usual too.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
Those window switches and the heated seats buttons are almost identical to my 1995 maxima switches
In Australia these are selling for $20k less than the 6 cylinder Supra, I’m surprised the US market is getting screwed so hard, it’s normally the other way around. Personally these are a massive nostalgia trip, there’s a lot of 300zx in that interior with the cloth everywhere. No regrets with my order, it’s a Z, the interior is supposed to be cheap and durable (and UV resistant).
I cancelled my order as soon as I saw it on track and that cheap horrible interior.
Is that what you’re reading on Nissans Australian page or actual dealer price on lots?
@Kerim Temel we don't get the performance.
@Kerim Temel nope, 90k drive away is the Australian proto spec. We don’t get a base and performance model here. The 73k Z is the equivalent of the American performance model and sits at 80k drive away AUD.
@@HateAndFlame 80k aud is 56k usd which is exactly around Supra 3.0 pricing that’s not even close to 20k less than the Supra though
Wow Matt, that acceleration was surprising. the first part of the video seemed so calm and disappointing but then it opened up! for 40kish this might be a good buy
Yeah the amount you save with the base model compared to the zupra you can get one awesome set of Öhlins Road & Track DFV coilovers and some sway bars to get that handling razor sharp, hopefully most of the 370z suspension goodies bolt right up.
Only problem will be putting that power down with out the slip diff going to be spinning for days
We need to be very happy this car exists…even though (in the USA) there should have been a mid point model that offered the top spec brakes and diff. For me though, I’m happy with my 2022 BRZ and a bunch of change.
Wanted this car at first, now it just doesn’t make sense for the price. Going with the GR 86 instead 🙂
@@andyzzz104 Not a huge difference between. Hard to understand how you think the BRZ is not good value but the GR86 is
@@richardhoulton4016 sorry I meant the GR 86/BRZ versus the new Z. I initially wanted the new Z at first.
For 50k. Base Supra all day long. For my money at least. I do think it’s a good looking car in that blue though and I’ll be happy to see them on the road.
Yeah I agree. Supra would be my pick too.
The Supra does not disappoint!
Yes in would pick the Supra if I wanted a car that looks like an insect.
Like everyone else, i was really disappointed on the pricing. If the performance was on the $43-46k it would’ve been better. $50k (plus taxes and destination) is just too much. And don’t even get me started with dealer markups that this thing is going to get.
Exactly! I've been waiting for this car since it was announced only to see that they really overpriced the Performance trim. This will easily be over 60k out the door with the crappy dealer markups. I'm going for the GR86 and save thousands. Heck, I can even get a used daily with the money leftover. It's ridiculous.
Lol I got 3 notifications for this car at midnight, chose this vid first though
Haha thank you! I really appreciate that!
So did i
Same lol
Everything is spot on but 2 things. 1: Fuel door is WAY to big. 2: Lower exposed grille needs a body color matched panel with vents to clean up the bottom part better.
This car was introduced as a mid 30k dollar sports car for the masses and at 51k its everyday enthusiast allure loses its luster. The car has an interior that looks like it borrows materials from some of its 20k dollar Nissan mates. At 51k before dealer mark up, the Supra looks like a better choice and it's not ever really close.
Introduced when? 20 years ago? 30? It doesn't seem that you took into account inflation. If your numbers were adjusted for inflation you should have explained how.
I really wanted to like this car, but at 50k it really doesn’t make sense when the manual Supra is just around the corner. Looking at that interior and seeing the same switchgear as my old 2005 G35 is such a turnoff
Great review Matt! Thank you for doing this very detailed review. I think 51k is too much. I also think the lsd should be in the lower trim atleast as an option. I personally drive a Veloster N. I know it not close in power. However, just being able to experience all those feature for less makes the car more enjoyable. Hopefully the options will trickle down.
Slower cars are more fun. Enjoy your Veloster for everything it’s worth.
I’ve had 335i, Porsche Cayman GTS and more and my favorite cars have been slower ones. You can really row through the gears, hammer the throttle to redline and simply enjoy it more. 0-60 in 3 seconds means you can almost never really get on it.
@@curttheboywonder I had that issue with a Camaro SS. No one could touch me but I couldn't open it up all the way ever.
As a fellow Veloster N owner as well...it's a really fun vehicle and experience.
$51k before a $20k dealer markup lets be real here lol. Thank you for the review!
hey, if they didnt pull that bs on the supra, what makes you think that they'll do it to the z?
Ooof. Can't imagine being the sucker dropping 70gs on a Z...
Excited you got to review one Matt!! 🔥
As exciting as the new Z is, I still can’t help thinking I’d rather buy the GR86. Sure not an apples to apples comparison, but I feel the GR86 offers a better driving experience for a whole lot less $$. Prob more practical of a daily sports car too..and more fun on a track.
But it’s slow After
The Z's give you 400HP. Much moe than a GR86.
What a beautiful car especially in blue. Years ago I wanted to trade my 350Z in on a new 370, I drove several on the freeway and it was the loudest car in terms of road noise I had ever driven. I’m mean really loud. The
gearshift would vibrate and the engine at above 5000 rpm was harsh and thrashy. It was as if there was no sound deadening. I had to pass. I’m hoping those traits are gone because want a new Z!
This is very meaningful to me, my very 1st MANUAL sporty car after I learned stick was the 280ZX with T-Tops my old man bought for me. . 🤟 I thank my father till this day. R.I.P 🙏
$45k for the Performance trim would have been the sweet spot. But at $51k, it's too close to the supra price tag. Lots of good used cars for the $50k mark!
The supra is a bit overpriced too
at least this one is a Nissan not a bmw
I like the old school, simple vibe to this. But that pricing structure is tough.
I love the the new blue color and the all black interior best! The 12 in digital gauge cluster is very nice! Dealer mark up will be ridiculous now!
Great review, Matt! If you’re ever in the Tampa area, you can make videos with my cars
Thank you for the offer and I'm glad you liked the review!
Great review Matt!
I'm not in the market but I appreciate the critique on this car. Seems like everywhere I looked I saw nothing but praise for it and hearing a little bit of the opposite is nice. I drive a Mustang GT with a manual and I am not looking for a replacement but like many of us, I am always window shopping. 😛
Again, great job!
Hello Matt! another entertaining,exciting to watch,and fair review! there's a handful of you guys that review these fast cars who i tune into,to distract me from the all of the ridiculousness that's typically in the news these days;so back to the review...being you've owned a Bullitt-mustang for awhile,have you experienced any issues with leaks,ticking,etc during YOUR ownership over some time now? ive always wondered about the Bullitt since i once had my eye on that car before too;now which car do you prefer between the Bullitt and this new Z? i also was a little surprised looking at it side-by-side with the supra's profile on the stance,and height-difference being taller per say(which explains the Z's seating positioning height)
The Z is a treat for the senses . Emotional satisfaction is a big part of the sports car experience, and the Z does this much better than the almost evil looking supra.
Thorough review Matt. 👍
I watched the other Matt (Farah) review this car and you both seem to be impressed with the Z.
For me, I'll go with your driving impressions, however, I think the styling is dated and too plain since they tried to blend THREE model Zs into one.
Overall, I'm glad this simplistic manual Nissan below $50k exists. 👌
People be like "$40k for 400hp is a bargain!" like the mustang and camaro dont exist lol. both which have more hp, more torque, 10 speeds and better sounding exhausts out of the box
Yes but if you're not into American cars then all that means nothing lol.
@@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS why are people so fucking brand loyal? 😂🤡 I’d love to have a Japanese or European car aswell but the performance per dollar just isn’t there
@@drunkpolack7612 I guess its just that at the end of the day, to most people, American cars aren't special outside of a Corvette. Like yeah the mustang has more power but it's still a mustang, nobody looks at a them with awe besides older mustang owners and even then they'll complain that it's not a real mustang like the 69/70/71 or the s197.
@@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS same can be said with most modern affordable sport cars, none of them are “special”
@@drunkpolack7612 have to disagree bud. Quite a lot of today's cars are pretty good. I think you just have to get out of that mindset that everyone is gonna use these for roll racing lol
I think the hype for this car is going to die very quickly
It died already lol
@@DV-ou1yu good ol nissan hey 😅
The price reveal is what killed it, 50K is Supra or M240i money. Or you can save money and get a Mustang GT or Camaro. It’s like what’s the point of this car? The automatic is going to be a slushbox compared to the Supra and the interior of the Z looks super cheap for 50K. It’s insane!
They overpriced this by 8k. 42-43k, it's perfectly priced. at 51k, it should be dead in the war. Let's not pretend at the end of the day, this is not a car that is essentially a suped up version of a parts bind car. Outside of the shell, it's all reused parts.
Nissan blew it.
I like it. But … was the front in an accident ?
As @gameplay_unknown states …35 base, 45 performance would’ve been a home run….Nissan absolutely dropped the ball here
I'm happy you told the truth about the car. I've always been a Z fan, but have lost a lot of faith in Nissan. The new Z will be a hit with the Z community but it's lacking a lot for a modern sports car.
I think as you mentioned, the Supra will be the better car dynamicly. It's a shame the don't offer any type of adjustable suspension ( electronic dampers /magnetic ride ) at all for the Z. That's honestly a deal breaker for me. And I'm assuming the Z doesn't have adjustable steering as well or any type of "track mode"? Just a display change ?
I'm glad they are making an accessable sports car at a decent price point - but for the money, I think I'll just stick with a 1le Camaro or entertain a Supra manual when they are released.
There's too much of the 370z and 350z in the "new Z". It's like Nissan went shopping in the parts bin and fitted everything to a 20 year old 350z FM chassis.
I'm not sure what Nissan is thinking. I have a 2017 370z Sport, which I love. The upgraded brakes, 19" Rays wheels, front and rear spoiler, limited slip differential, rev match 6-speed manual transmission and 8 speaker Bose stereo were all STANDARD, starting around $33K (only $3.5K more than the Base model). Now you only get those features if you spend $51K.
Performance trim should be 45k.
Had a 370z myself, that interior door panel is an exact copy of it 100%. Lazy to see that and that cheap and flimsy center console. Nitpicks? Probably. Expect better for their asking price? Definitely.
As a former 370z owner, I was thinking the same. There's a ton in the interior that's direct carry-over from the 370z. Like more than half of it.
370z still looks better IMO. Especially the headlights!
I have a Nismo 370Z(V2) now. With turbos. There's not enough difference with this Z for me to upgrade. Road noise even sounds similar.
It's the same chassis it's still a z34 because it was too expensive for Nissan to get a new chassis certified by the Japanese government so there's going to be a bit of carryover
@@nhilist5774 Yeah I understand that. I guess it’s just disappointing to see the exact same door panel and center console. Like with the door AC vent, I understand there’s not much they can do with that but still could have redesigned it some.
Hmmm , Call me cynical but car companies are using the screen size
to get you to upgrade to a far more expensive model..
I mean how much is an inch of screen worth ? 45 bux?
If screens had more things to do it would matter but 95% of people just use music and maps
The upgraded trim is a whole lot more than just a "bigger screen." Forged Wheels and bigger tires are easily gonna be close to $2k. Limited slip? $1k easy. Heated leather seats? Easily over a grand. Bigger brakes? couple hundred easy. Sports exhaust? Close to $1k easy. Sports suspension? Over a grand easy. Add all that with a larger screen plus auto rev match and launch control? that's pretty much $10k right there if you upgrade that yourself
@@ciello___8307 I'm the first to agree that you get more ..kinda doesn't negate my original comment tho , as its a bit too obvious.
@@ciello___8307 the big break akebono's for my z32 is over 2 grand for front and rear lol.
@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars in the Z's case it's pretty obvious that the selling point of the expensive trim is the performance goodies, and not the screen. . .
If you had a choice between the Nissan Z vs. Mazda MX-5, which would you choose?
This Car remembers at the 3.0 Twin Turbo fom the 90th. Great Performance ! Congratulations Matt
Great review Matt. You didn't hold back and we appreciate that!
I can tell this is gonna be a car i would highly enjoy you review confirming its set up with the things i really like good torque, good turbo , looks like a fantastic car. Awesome review 👏
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That grill will hold a nice FRONT MOUNT INTERCOOLER 👍🏾
I was considering a performance trim Z until the price was revealed. I could accept $4k-$5k above the base car, but $10k? I removed my name from the dealers wait list and will now purchase the Mazda MX5 instead. Way to go Nissan by pricing your affordable sports car above $50k!
Why not just buy the base model and spend 3k upgrading the brakes and suspension? The performance brakes aren’t great anyways and would need upgrading to track anyways.
@@sawyercrosby3710 the base model dosent have the lip spoiler along with getting smaller brakes compared to the performance model.
@@sawyercrosby3710 Definitely, the base model is the better buy and upgrade it over time with brakes, suspension and wheels
@@bonda_racing3579 the brakes on the performance aren’t anything to brag about from what I’ve heard. They used bad brake pads so those would get replaced anyways. The spoiler I can live without. I’ll probably buy a sport in November or December then upgrade the brakes and suspension myself. Hopefully the rear dif is still the same dimensions as the 370 so I can get an LSD as well. All in all itll cost me around 4k to get it to spec with the performance.
Why not just get new Supra or wait till manual supra
Yeah… they did totally drop the ball on pricing. This could have been a fantastic sell if it started at $30 or $35k base, $40k for the higher end trims. There is just no scenario in which someone in that market does not end up buying something else. What are they going for here? What’s the sell supposed to be?
Wouldn't starting at 30-35k take away from the premium brz ?
@@Elchurrodurro I guess. I don’t know if consumers are cross-shopping the Z and the BRZ, but I’m sure some are and that’s was probably part of what determined the price point of the Z. It’s just hard to imagine you could find a lightly used GT350 for $60k or a fully-optioned, more practical, more powerful Mustang GT (for example) for the same price…. Why would anyone get the Z? I’m sure people loved the original and may have sentimental motivation but I can’t imagine that’s a very big market.
I suspect we will see a 300hp version start around 35k in a year or so. Nissan just wants the more potent version out first to capitalize on sales.
It’s the same engine and tuning potential so the Z will be insane value once that version is out.
Sport + $1500 for mech LSD & full spare (prefer Sport's non-stagger) = winner. At $51, it's a pass. Sadly, Nissan blew the packaging.
B58 > VR30
Supra > Z
Change my mind
No your mind is correct
Ayyy you here 🔥
@@ericcampbell2360 gooood
@@lilrockstarrs always
The Supra is definitely a better vehicle overall, this isn’t really premium in the slightest. The base model is such a good value though for the price.
I think it is near-unanimous, Nissan blew it on the pricing. The original Z was an unheard of performance bargain back in it's day. This car had the potential to be the legendary performance bargain of our era. As it is priced/configured now, it will only appeal to those with particular use cases: Nissan nostalgia nerds, styling preference, more relaxed gt feel/visibility over Supra, etc.
I think Nissan bought into the hype but the hype was for 400hp on the cheap, and 50k ain't cheap. Hopefully Toyota doesn't make the same mistake with the GR Corolla, which at the end of the day is still a Corolla.
GR Corollas will be super pricey and impossible to come by. Mark it down.
The V6TT engine in the Z is costly to manufacture.
The 40k base is a bargain compared to a 6 cylinder supra.
The original z was also carbureted, single cam, naturally aspirated, had no amenities, no safety features, and had thin metal. Of course it doesn't compare.
@@povertyspec9651 costly how? It has been out for 6+ years. What are they doing wrong if they haven't streamlined that by now?
Price really killed it, especially for the cheap interior bits. Manual Supra on the horizon, definitely has my eyes now
Also, a 6th gen SS 1le will out price and run laps around this thing. They really dropped the ball on price to performance
Yeah, and the camaro LT1 cost way less
@@Luke-cb3ly American performance just kills it with price to performance. These imports keep lacking behind
At least the Supra has quality interior, top notch track and drag times, incredible looks and a manual on the way. Even if it is a tad bit overpriced, it’s the only current import I can somewhat justify the price mark
Well the 6th generation Camaro is outdated and the Supra is ugly as hell. I go for the 400Z over those cars any day.
@@bh2155 outdated? the Camaro's infotainmant system is better than the Z's, and so is the ten-speed automatic. and the Camaro's suspension and chassis are even better. it's a 2+2, it has more power, more torque, it's faster on the track and on the straights... don't get me wrong, but the Z should be at most 42k. Compared with Supra, Camaro 1LE, Mustang Mach 1 it's pretty hard to like the Z.
@@Luke-cb3ly I do agree the Z is overpriced. The Camaro maybe the better performer. However for me appearance counts and with the exception of a few minor refreshes in the grill, front and rear head lights the Camaro looks basically the same as it did 12 years ago.
Superficial comment here, that thing looks miles better than the Supra, clean with a retro touch. Well done Nissan
the BMW Z4 Supra rear end looks like it had a double stoke and that front end it hideous.
Excellent in-depth review Matt! Love the adaptive cruise works with the manual.
Thanks Marco!
is it me or does the interior looks cheap? like cup holders have inner scuffs already. Rear area behind the seat looks odd material wise....sorta 350z quality.
I think the pricing perfectly fits below the Supra. Y’all saying $50k is too much, really believe the Supra at $60k is a better value?
I'm not sure where you live but here in the U.S. a Supra 3.0 is 52k if you go on Toyota's website.
I think the price is fine personally, I trip out people bring up a mustang gt being 40k but that is for a bottom of the line one, I built one in the website with the options I wanted and it was 57k before tax.
Thanks for the video :) We love it.
Think my days of buying new sports cars is over. Used to flip through them year after year, got to experience a lot of different cars. Prices are just to nuts now. Going keep a daily and my early 2000s shit box to play around in.
Great review Matt. Thanks for this awesome video. I’m a huge Z fan so seeing my favorite Car RUclips reviewing it is the best.
Thanks Leo, I'm glad you liked it!
Great review Matt. I love the F&F Nos reference for the Z’s boost coming on. Very interested to see full comparison reviews of this car with other sports cars. Jason Cammisa did a short one on 1/4 mile performance only.
Great video Matt. I have two questions:
Which one feels faster, this or Supra 3.0?
Which one would you personally take, this or Supra 3.0?
I discuss the power comparison in the video, it's hard to compare with the Supra having 8 shorter gears, but until I drive the manual Supra, the current Supra definitely feels faster (and is faster). I'd personally take the Supra still.
Excellent review with more than just the superficial - actually thinking and comparing to the competition. The one thing I want to know is whether you can actually feel the double wishbone front suspension hardware giving you an advantage in corners. In the GR86 there is a little stickiness in the front suspension on bumpy corners from those struts that cause the front to skip a little. Being that the Z weighs 700+ lbs more, possibly the feel of the double wishbone is not there as much as it could be. I would think this would also be an advantage over the Supra, but it didn't seem like you noticed a difference. I realize strut can be pretty good if it's well designed and built.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it! I didn't feel much difference in the front suspension with the double wishbone on these roads that were in pretty good shape overall.
It really looks like a great car, but I don't think I'd rather have it than my Supra. I'd buy the performance version of this b/c I'd hate myself not getting all the goodies, so the price would be similar, and similar performance in the real world it seems, which kinda makes it a toss up in terms of how it is to live with and aesthetics. In the aesthetics dept while I like the elements in this of the 240Z, the 370Z, and the 300ZX, it also feels like a bit of an identity crisis. Like the car doesn't have an identity of its own, it's just taking key elements of all parents past. So I'm not quite sold on the aesthetics. And in terms of living with this compared to the supra, this is probably a bit more livable it seems (softer suspension, more visibility, etc.), but those aren't things that bother me about the supra so I'm not really feeling the regret. I kinda like that laser-like German precision of the Supra and the suspension isn't really firm enough to bother me. It's worlds better than my 987 in terms of suspension compliance in the real world driving.
I like your ability to not trash either car, a true car enthusiast! 👏🏽
@@AWildKappa Thx :)
And yea, love 'em all.
@@MrSlowestD16 same here! Always been a car enthusiast it’s the individualities that make every car unique !
@@AWildKappa Yea, they're all great and fun in their own way.
Great review. Would you trade in a GR86 for the new Z if price wasn't an issue?
Thanks! And no, GR86/BRZ handle way better and have enough power to have plenty of fun at legal speeds. The huge price savings just further strengthens that position.
@@MattMaranMotoring absolutely!! With Nissan pricing this at 50k...that made my decision easier and plan to get the GR86 instead.
Excellent review Matt! I gotta ask... What car would put the bigger smile on your face just driving it on the streets... GR86 or Z? I'm torn between these two but the difference is roughly $22g CDN. I'm leaning toward the idea of having more fun driving a slow car fast. Please let me know if you find the time. Cheers!
Thanks! I would say the Z is a little more exciting with the extra power and more twitchy back end, but I don't think it's 20k more fun. If it were my money I'd go GR86.
@@MattMaranMotoring thanks for the reply! That's exactly what I needed to hear. GR86 should be all that I need and I'll take that extra money and put it somewhere else. Looking forward to watching your next GR86 video. 👍😁
@@billlyle8539 Happy to help! I'll actually be posting a new GR86 video today!
@@MattMaranMotoring I finally just saw my first GR86 in the wild and wow, I had to stop and circle it a few times with a huge smile on my face. 😄 Such a cool little car! My old car was an '01 Prelude so this one isn't quite as long but much sportier and modern looking. Anyway, I'll be sure to watch your new GR86 video as soon as its posted today Matt. 😁👍
My top two choices for next car will still be between the Camaro 2SS 1LE and manual Supra. The new Z seems overpriced to me for what you're getting. I thought Supra was overpriced because BMW, and that the Z would easily undercut it, but that didn't really happen. The top spec Z should be $40-45k at most. The backup camera looks 480p and the touchscreen looks like it functions about like a sub $100 android tablet from Walmart.
Was really hoping the performance would come in at $45-47k. $50k is too much and makes me want to look at higher trim cars like the Supra manual or M2 comp or new M2. This car was only on my radar and most others of it was a bargain. It still is in this economy but not as much to justify all of its shortcomings. I don’t see $10k worth of upgrades to go from sport to performance. I’d rather take the $10k saved and put in coil overs, lsd, recaro seats, big brakes, and maybe an exhaust. I imagine most will be doing the same, especially in a few years once deprivation finally kicks back in and you can get one used for $30k.
Inflation. Your money doesn’t go as far as it used to therefore 50k isn’t 50k when the 370 came out. Plus a stiffer chassis, way more power and torque, LSD etc make it a good package for the money.
@@MrAyybee2cold no
Can't wait to see one in person
41 grand (with destination) for a downgrade in the brakes, wheels, tires, suspension, no LSD, lacking amenities like heated seats, not even the nice pedals? 😆 Naaah. I know it's still a 400hp twin turbo, but I'd rather spend just over 30 grand on the little premium GR86. It's apples and oranges, but a better value for the money (for me.) If I was willing to spend over 50 grand on a sports car, I might consider the premium Z but there's just enough about it at that price that I don't like as much as I want to. Thanks for another great video. 👍🏼
Facts. Car was overhyped and it’s too expensive for what it is.
I think if they just put the LSD in the base trim or made that an option for that trim it would fix the pricing issue. That’s really the only necessary upgrade for the performance trim IMO.
I agree, charging 42-43k for the Sport with an LSD would have made a lot more sense.
Agree. For a 400hp car LSD is NOT optional. If it had been standard equipment in the base at $42k the trim difference would still be $8k.
Nissan might have left it out in order to reach an desired price point. Too clever by half.
If you notice lack of boost, you can then look at the turbo rpm gauge. If it seems to be spinning normally, then you know you have a boost leak. If not - gotta be exhaust leak before the turbo or a ceased turbo :)
I'm really thinking hard about this Z? I will have to take a test drive one before I make a decision...
This design is gonna age gracefully.
I am Miata owner, I will always be driving Miata….but I am glad Nissan is coming out with their own car instead of using other manufacturers motors. I would get 400z over Supra any day.
There is no 400Z ... 🤦🏽♂️ let alone a Supra
Just reach out to everyone on the forums and tell them not to buy them until the price goes down. The longer they sit on the lot, the more the dealership loses money.
@nissan really needs to pay this man to promote their products! Best review I’ve seen so far! You almost convinced me to get one
Almost...hopefully...then you came back to your senses. Just wait for the Gen Coupe'. Common Genesis, show em' what you been hiding too long.
Probably need to review the 40k version if you want to claim if its worth it or not. But love the access you get to cars.
The 370z/ nismo does look more aggressive, but this has the 240/370 look combo going which I think they did a great job. Especially the rear🥂