This Was One Of The Most Hostile Panels That Frank Luntz Has Ever Held (HBO)
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Update May 19 2021: VICE News produced a series of seven panels moderated by Frank Luntz from December 2017 to January 2019. Recently, it was reported that Luntz was on Ted Cruz’s reelection campaign payroll in 2018. VICE News was unaware of this affiliation, and Luntz did not disclose this information at the time of these productions.
"People had to suffer great deals for something most of the country doesn't want, which is a wall."
Frank Luntz talks with Californians about the longest shutdown in history on VICE News Tonight.
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“The Democrats are frightened because he's delivering on every single promise.”
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the dems should have hired Luntz a long time ago we still can he is one sharp tack
Is there a full version of this?
When did vice start tossing Republicans salad?
VICE News is vice pro trump ?
None of the wall supporters can give actual verifiable stats and evidence that illegal immigration is A.) a WORSENING problem B.) that a wall would actually be effective in stopping what historically declining illegal immigration is occurring.
Why? Because illegal immigration is trending down since 2014 and even Trump's own administration stats show that MOST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and DRUGS cross at PORTS OF ENTRY and OVER STAY VISAS!!!!
Wake up you right wing sheeple fools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL. "If Trump is responsible for the shutdown, why doesn't Trump get credit for opening the government back up?" For the same reason someone who steals your car doesn't get a reward for bringing it back.
nice one
Facts
Oh God! It would seem straight forward right?
@@fredrichoshunrinde873 right its common sense, but these gullable fools shows us that common sense isnt common at all
Didn't they only agree to a short term budget because workers unions were threatening to not show up to work?
Trump repeatedly promised that Mexico would pay for the wall. Let nobody forget that.
Obama repeatedly promised you could keep your doctor. Let knowbody forget that.
@@iancornell141 whataboutism doesn't change the fact that Mexico was supposed to pay for the wall
Trump never promised to end ISIS but he did it
@@phanatic215 im simply using that as example of how Presidents make claims they never fulfill
@@brianlopez1340 only in his mind
First thing McConnell proposed after reopening the govt: repealing estate taxes for billionaires
Priorities old chap.
My umpteenth yacht is of the utmost priority don't you know?
@@bakedbean37 Tax deductions for private jet owners were a part of the tax bills proposed by this admin WTF!
Don't forget anti BDS laws that Congress was worried about that were passed. Make Israel Great Again. Our politicians don't care about us.
@TraitorShamer and have been fooled into thinking one day on some planet they'll be the bajillionaire..
You know this talk about taxes keeps going on but has one politician Republican or Democrat talk about reducing spending or have a more moderate budget? The problem isn’t in the who’s who in being taxed, the problem is what we’re spending all this damn money on.
Tax CUTS for rich folks was more important than our CRISIS .
This.
remember this whenever anyone claims the republicans and the elite actually give a shit about the people. Tax cuts on the wealthiest are absolutely morally unjustifiable.
Daniel Harvey IV they finance our fraud aka selections election and they always get a great return on their blood money investment
Come up with a multi million idea and you will be rich soon and stop hating rich people because without them you will be unemployed
Did NO ONE bring up that Donald Trump has always employed & still employs a LOT of illegal immigrants?
"The Associated Press has found documentation showing that Melania Trump broke immigration law when she first came to the US in 1996 - by entering the country on a tourist visa and then working as a professional model."
Hmm I wonder how many of them he has actually ever paid?
How much does Frank Luntz hate his life?
I mean he's not that bright just like some of the idiots he polls.
but mass shootings a crisis? nah 🤦🏻♂️
Number Eight or Nine? I can’t tell if you’re just really stupid or sarcastic
Yeah we could of paid a lot of mental health medical bills today instead of illegal baby doctor bills today. That would hopefully help the future epidemic of kids deciding to shoot everyone. I agree with you.
@@RickyB418 or reduce the military budget since it's bigger than any other country's budget in the world. And stop giving the rich tax breaks and making them contribute more.
There is a bill trying to add a 50% ammo tax in Connecticut. Not sure how that is gonna stop mass shootings.
its really sad how uninformed some people are on the process of government...maybe if they know how shit worked they would have a better perspective
Confirmation bias my friend. You think those people that have picked a side are ever going to look for factual information that conflicts with their bias?
phanatic215 lol that’s literally my favorite thing to do
@13randon 13axter citizens don't. They pick a side, then agree with whatever politician that has that letter next to their name...even if it's in their worst interest.
Thank the frequent, widespread public education cuts (since Bush Jr) for that.
plato's ship of state my friend..
Peter dude is obviously russian bot lol
"everything I don't like is a Russian bot" the msnbc guide to circumventing discussion
I don't disagree though that he's a moron
@C caymer um I'm pretty sure were also a part of the problem to
@C caymer Trump 2020 baby!
@C caymer how are central-american immigrants (whether illegal or legal) making the country worse? Not like they're stealing jobs that YOU'D take, I'm sure.
Always like when VICE airs this segment. It not only shows the division of opinion, but the passion and emotion that come with these arguments that are often ignored
As well as the fact that many people are simply ill informed on the details and nuance
@@derek4412 agreed. Host was framing the questions to inflame and stoke emotions. Notice how it quickly escalated? Another 5 minutes and they would be scream shouting, cursing, or walking out. Some had very short fuses.
@@derek4412 I think this helps everyone see the other side's thinking.
@@janewright315 you'd have pretty wishful thinking to assume that most Americans are well informed enough to have a civil discussion regarding politics. Just take a look at every single one that identifies as anything other than independent. It's because they don't want to have to think too hard about what ideology they should be holding.
@@CarrizalesVO eliminating religion and fairy tales which glorify stupidity and lack of questioning and critical thinking would be a good first step in combination with properly funding and managing education
If you believe that we need a wall please go into your garage, turn on your car, and wait.
& take deep breathes
I blame Mr. Burns.
2:15
“Who’s the other senate guy?”
“McCarthy!”
Vice, can you at least invite some somewhat educated people next time?
Or someone who was born in the millennium.
That would be a much much less accurate representation of average Americans. A majority of Americans can't name a single SCOTUS Justice, so the odds of them knowing the Senate Majority/Minority Leaders? Not so good.
Also, remember that Frank Luntz is a pollster---he especially is looking for people that fit in the middle of the bell curve of whatever the group is (registered voters, Democrats, Republicans, those aged 40-54, etc)
I like this. Can you please post more?
these are the best things vice posts
@Zeth Wilson these conversations always feel so real and honest, and polite and confrontational at the same time.
I love it
The collapse of an empire.
And the rest of the world is watching it and 🤦🤦🤦.
Frank Luntz is Lucifer's AD guy.
I appreciate how Frank tried to rationalize the situation when half the room said the shutdown was a good thing.
Everyone is having a conversation and then the swedish guy starts😂
If somebody sets fire to a house and burns it down and then puts the fire out using water, does he get rewarded for putting the fire out? Stupid question he asks...that guy.
"Hostile", that sounded tamer than most of my family get togethers when politics gets brought up. lol
Gotta get that clickbait *eyerollllllll* (DO BETTER, MEDIA.)
“Trumps for the working people”
LOL
I love the one chick at the end, she's like, "nobody ever listens to me, and it's my time and I don't care if it sounds stupid or not, I'm going to say it then people are going to hear it".
I hear she got a job at Fox ;)
LOL @ the woman who said "for the everyday American worker. That's why he reopened the government" @1:05. Seriously? He caused the problem to begin with, so he should get a pat on the back for temporarily solving it?
Trump- Mexico will pay for the wall
His supporters- ok
Trump- I really meant you will pay for it
His supporters- umm, ok
This isn't "hostile" ... This is just people talking ... Why should people be afraid to disagree with each other?
NEPOTISM
WHY WON'T FRANK LUNTZ GO AWAY????????? He only has job because of NEPOTISM!!!!!!!
We should be having such heated debates over policies to combat climate change. The real tragedy of trump is the time lost to distraction about BS. Time we do not have.
Climate change isnt real. Change my mind.
Tia Sprockett can I actually try to change your mind or just bluffing?
@@Thebobbyman no im really serious, I have a open mind
I mean the only debate to be had there is where to allocate resources and what rules to impose to combat it. A debate about the topic itself is nonsensical, given the amount of scientific data we have.
@@fakesmilez1 Agreed! I fixed my comment for clarity.
Wall is not gonna stop them!!! El chapo had tunnels under his bathtub in every hideout :D
The guy who speaks with an accent knows more about American laws than native born Americans.
I love that the former is the only one with a lick of sense
12,000 to 14,000 to 18,000 people. I think that’s a national emergency in any state. I as 1 person invading Mexico would be put in jail for the same.
Bring these people back today!! I want to hear what they have to say today! Shamful what's happening at the boarder. You realize those who are doing it the legal way can't get in now
'At the border'
Super Bowl stadium: 1.6 billion. Wall: 5 billion.
You can just hear the crazy from that one at the very end.
The chick in black? She was a real piece of work.
They should have had some govt. workers who weren't paid during the shutdown join in....
YES!
Wooooo........that woman at the end has drank the Kool-Aid !!!!
I would like to listen to this without the cuts. There is such a wide gradient of thought in that room a five minute video doesn't do it justice.
You have a guy that is about to spend the rest of his life in jail for making billions of dollars trafficking drugs using tunnels and trump still want a wall WTF ????
Remember how congress approved a total of 5 billion for the "Cash For Clunkers" program back in 2009? A 2017 study in the American Economic Journal found that the program, intended to increase consumer spending, reduced total new vehicle spending by $5 billion.
Did you know there is a place in the world where building a big wall is more important than taking care of the population with a National health care system.
the guy with an accent is complaining about immigrants?
13orrax correct cause he probably spent years coming to America. I’ve never met one person who doesn’t want immigration. They just don’t want people coming here illegally.
He has no idea what he's talking about. It's the whole "I got mine" mentality.
That Jordan kid seems like the only one that is remotely informed about what they're talking about.
Ummm, no one was actually that hostile at all.
Still lovin the Frank Luntz segments! These mini polls are one of the best chunks of journalism out there. Keep 'em coming!
Why did you skip so many people in the start?
They talk about our country like it’s a tv show. They’re all debating on the plot, who did what to whom, and what’s gonna happen next..
I am SO sick of this "help the vets and the homeless" BS being tossed around. If you really wanted to help them, there wouldn't be so damn many of them in trouble in the first place. People who toss that around really don't want to do anything to help anyone, they've just found this as a convenient buzzword that makes their views more acceptable. I'm a vet, stop using us!
The dude who sounds like Klaus from American Dad actually thinks his opinion matters, he’s not even an American.
I wish just one reporter would ask the democrats what they mean by border security. All I’ve heard is “we need technology like drones.” What does that even mean? Are we putting weapons on the drones and murdering people? 330,000 people were caught crossing the border illegally last year. How many made it? If that’s not an emergency what is?
The german immigrant and that russian chick talia. Lol
As everyone one argues, I just wanna sit and watch the cute anime girls playing instruments.
'The economy can't survive it" is the stupidest thing i ever heard as a European. Isn't America the richest country in the world. You should all be ashamed of yourselfs.
Ol Frank at it again.....Mr Death Tax himself......lol
As a U.S Marine veteran, Billions of dollars (from the wall budget )can go far in healthcare and homelessness instead. Our commanding in chief cannot dictate his proposals without consulting Congress.
whats with the low couches- they all look like they're squatting lol
Everyone on here is just the mirror image of one another, comments included lol.
If I was there I would just repeat over and over ... “ when is the check from Mexico coming?? “
If someone created a video dictionary, this video should be the definition of the word Democracy.
Vice stop interrupting the interviews. You did it with the Black conservatives and now this video. I want to see the whole thing.
As a US taxpayer I don't want to pay for it.
Is this the full video or is their a longer version somewhere else. It seemed very edited down and ending almost on a cliff hanger and I wanna see the whole thing.
The only dude who was informed on this panel was the guy conceding that allowing a precedent of bypassing Congress and declaring a national emergency is not the way.
The description they provided for the video: "Frank Luntz talks with Californians about the longest shutdown in history on VICE News Tonight.", should be the title...
hurry up Elon, i need to move to Mars
Frank Luntz clearly makes a lot of money. That living room looks sweet
the guy said america is the only country in the world without border guards hasnt been outside of america since the era of jesus...
Trumpers: People need to respekt muh President!
Also Trumpers: Is Nancy Pelosi committing treason!?
That German pissed me off
Trump and the head of the Senate. Congress and the Senate could of vote to undo a veto. That is how our government is supposed to work.
That Senate Republican guy ... McDougle... McGrady... McCarthy!!
LMFAO
To understand this shutdown it helps if you understand everything involved, and if you do, then you know your heads of state.
I have altered my way of life more to be conscious of mass shootings.
Can't say that I have had to do that for illegal immigration, especially for the fact that none of the mass shooters were illegal immigrants. What's really the issue America.
Well then I’ll just sit back and grab the popcorn...
The women who is a voice coach would say a government shutdown is okay🤣🤣
I didn't hear a single, intelligent, coherent argument supporting anyone's opinion. Frank Lutz needs to find a more articulate, more politically educated focus group because these Californian's make the West Coast look like we are ignorant boobs.
Almost none of these people had any knowledge about this.
The architect is the villian from Phineas and Ferb
The problem with society is that people are fed "Facts" from both sides. It comes down to bias when it comes to which "facts" you want to believe. How are the masses ever going to know the hard truth if it's being suppressed?
I've seen Frank Luntz host much more hostile panels than this.
Immigration or border security is only an issue because America's distasteful stance to Mexican immigrants.
The guy with the glasses sounds like he may have jumped the fence.
I disagree with the wall being built I disagree with the shutting down of the Government & the National Emergency too ,there was no No national Emergency . why are we trying to block out or close up Mexico they are our neighbors. There are a lot of bad apples in every city or state or country that does not mean all of them are bad . This is supposed to be THE LAND OF THE FREE .
*That one lady at the end is the type that just likes to hear herself talk...... I despise these types of people......*
Sight, I notice that I just dont care anymore
I see a "Karen". Can you spot the Karen?
You guys set that old guy up, poor dude is being stalked by ICE this very moment.
They GONNA get his ads like they did sir 21 savage lol
“Why do you have to shutdown to get a wall?”! Idk. Why do teachers shutdown the schools to get what they want? People applaud the teachers. Nobody says the kids are being held hostage. Nobody says how are parents going to afford daycare, or how are they going to take days off work?
Anybody hostile towards Frank Luntz is ok with me.
You have to love the guy who actually said "We are the only country in the world that doesn't have border guards, we have border patrol"....umm what?
So January 6th, 2021 was a tantrum.
For either side to declare a national emergency and shutdown the government to invoke any agenda can lead to very serious situations. Period.
How are borders inherently racist?
Why couldn’t he get the wall in the first two years. Cause his own party don’t wAnt to give it to him. They know it’s bad for the economy.
The fear spoken by the last woman by the end of the video is so telling how Trump is able to get away with crime while "governing".
Those people who answered "media", I just was absolutely befuddled. They don't have ANY part in these decisions!
The one guy who is worried about eminent domain, got your back.
Your federal workers will starve, with Republicans like these...jeez... Let them starve over a wall.
That boneheaded "interior designer" and the horrid "marketing executive" would make perfect candidates for Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B.
Hostile? I thought I’d people exchanging blows 😂
omfg someone gathered these people from walmart except the architect.