Amazing new realistic flame effect LED lamp. (Full original version.)
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2016
- I'm pretty excited about this lamp as it is a complete new direction for LED lighting. It uses an array of LEDs on a cylindrical core to emulate the effect of a large torch flame. This would look great in a post-top lantern or as part of a minecraft style wall torch. The power consumption when animating is just 2.5W and the LEDs are run at between 10 and 15mA, so they should last well.
This lamp's manufacturers website is at www.ledflamelamp.com
There seems to be a wide variety of these lamps on eBay now if you search for the keywords flame lamp.
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This has to be the best flame effect i've ever seen. Without setting anything on flames.
Gives me tons of ideas for applications.
I'm literally 7 seconds into the video and can't help think you look like a mix of Dumbledore and Gandalf, that lamp is awesome though :D
More like a mix of Dumbledore/Hagrid Gandalf/Gimli
TheCynicalJedi
I thought Gandalf too.
I'm really out of touch with the kids' Pokemon lingo these days. 😕
In case you are not joking those are Harry Poter characters. Else, you got me a small chucle. Edit: To me he looks more like hagrid!
TheCynicalJedi Yeah, he looks like Dumbledore and Gandalf but he sounds like Stoik from How to Train your dragon
To the company: Thanks for allowing the full teardown video. Being able to see what this device is made of and it's quality internally makes me want to purchase it!
Thanks very much for this! Your manner of doing this is perfect.
No trying to charm us into purchasing something nor pushing us into subscribing and becoming your fans. It is appealing because it is the information and your enthusiasm about it and itself. It makes me curious about a lot of things I don't know, and now I have a great flame bulb to purchase lol!
It's bizarre... there was nothing terrible revealed in the video, it looks like a pretty honest product to viewers of this channel...
superb technical breakdown clive! please keep doing them. many thanks
So simple from a design perspective. Smart use of a micro to produce a very cool effect.
I would guess they did not use a random generator for the effect because a flame needs to have a heavy weighting to the bottom over the top. Future lamps can have cool near never repeating loops but for good flame you would want a repeating loop at some point. Maybe v2 could have 10 or 20 seconds of repeat. The pattern would be rather small in memory size.
You're right, you can't just display random noise and expect it to look like a flame - but back in the days of assembly demo/compos flame generator code was like digital clocks are for electronics amateurs: everyone wrote one. You could use one of the better ones feeding off the shift random generator and it would be a truly random flame; the code size involved is _tiny_...
To manufacturers:
1. If you don't want people to reveal what's inside, simply POT THE THING IN BLACK RESIN!
2. Counterfeiters buy things THEN reverse engineer them, they don't rely on RUclips videos.
3. If you are confident about your product, don't pull someone's video down.
4. Awesome factor of your product relies on your public actions.
Angry bro?
@@curtmaas68 Claiming fakely a video will make anyone angry
@@andricode Nice English 👌
@@curtmaas68 What about the meaning of my comment, nothing? It seems you lose a lot of discussions
Reverse engineering and counterfeiting are two different things. There are no good design engineers who have not reverse engineered extensively. Its part of the process. In fact the very first step when given the task to design a widget it a study of the available widgets. It much cheaper to copy than it is to start from scratch. People who have issues with this have hang ups that are not compatible with design engineering. There is absolutely nothing illegal or immoral about copying another person's design. The did not reinvent the wheel to get to the moon. This is the first thing I teach new engineers when I break them in.
Just purchased one of these yesterday for the wife, so really glad you did this.
Really beautiful lamp and a really interesting teardown! Thanks for sharing =)
I bought one of these when Clive first made this video and put it in my Porch light fitting ...so far two years later its still working.
Thanks for this review. I've now purchased several of these and it was very "illuminating" (sorry) to be shown the difference between complex display patterns and lesser, simpler displays. Very happy with these and ordering more. BTW, they offer base up or base down versions which made hanging strings very cool to watch.
These are great. The one I've seen before still burns upwards even if you turn it upside down. Very clever.
10/10 for the flame effect on that lamp.
A lot of bits and reasonable IC complexity here maybe even more advanced than a LED bar graph IC thanks for posting
That's a really neat one, Clive. There are some really gorgeous real gas lamps outside a few brownstones here in NYC, and while these wouldn't be a perfect replacement, since the flame is visible, they're a great idea.
So glad you got your soul back.
Keep up the great job
I like how it can either be a mood lighting effect, or when you want a bright constant light the isn't flickering, it can do that too.
Great video. Love your voice (and humour) too. Cool product and indepth review. Thanks.
Ya look like an evil wizard at the start of the vid. But then your velvet tones reassure all your concerned followers. Cool light muka
Good real lamp. According to the above advice, I bought for myself the same for homemade products. Only my controller is directly on the matrix.
Kudos for listening to your fanbase and reactivated the full vid.
If I was going to copy a design I wouldn't rely on BIGCLIVE. I would get one in the shop. I think you probably did them a great service but publicizing their product . Most of the time I don't really understand what you are explaining but I truly enjoy every video. thank you.
Better looking and considerably brighter than the old style neon type!
I just got one and I'm going to try it out. I'll let everybody know how it is. I'm so excited can't wait. Thank you for your video.
You are very articulated and look like a wizard holding that bulb up to your beard. Subscribed.
I'll get one when it has the randomizer you mentioned. Repeating patterns in stuff like this is one of my pet peeves. It's really cool how nice the flame looks though.
Pretty sure from the intro that you are in fact a wizard.
I'll accept that judgement if you own a flying motorbike.
good to see the full version available. manufacturers must know that if they send their product to bigclive its going to be taken to bits :)
Wait what? A Chinese seller on this channel that wasn't bogus AND sent an original product of their? unbelievable.
+Not Your Everyday Timelord --> I still would like to see him purchase one himself to test. Most times manufacturers when asked to send you an item for review they send you one from a special "high quality batch" reserved for reviewers. Perhaps have it sent to his brother's house so they don't know it's him.
Man! Your expressions are so much fun! Is a great vido to introduce and understand the product! Congratulations!
Excellent product. Such innovation deserves success!
hi clive. on the strength of your breakdown, i ordered a couple of warmoon bulbs from amazon. i have to say absolutely fantastic fire effects!
i'm going to install them into a couple of clear glass, large storm lanterns i have laying about and see how they go.
many thanks.
Pretty cool! Looks just like a flicking torch!
I have four lamps simular to the one you are using now on solar cell. working none stop for the last four years. Tony of Liverpool UK
At the local makers fair last year (July 2015) a torchlight somewhat similar to this was demonstrated. That torch uses strips of addressable LED RGB tape running vertical long the cylinder replicated around the outside of the cylinder. The led flame pattern was driven by an arduino. There was also a mode which displayed scrolling text. Easy project for the hobby crowd. Just use the outside of a beer can for the cylinder. :)
I bought a lot of these flame simulation bulbs online and used them they are pretty good
I'm glad the company relaxed their stance,so lets cut them slack since they made the right decision.
I'm definitely going to be contacting them since I'd like to try a few out for the holidays.If they're as well built as they appear I also have a idea they might be able to do for me in the future.
So glad I got to see this VERY cool concept
Interesting tear-down video. I'm considering getting a couple of these to replace the noisy mechanism in our flame-effect fire, but I'd have to find a way of disabling the switching between modes on sequential power cycles
I think, just removing the third wire should suffice.
Thanks for the original version, I JUST missed it the first time.
I'm finding a couple of sellers on Amazon (searching from the U.S.) that are selling these for $26.99. Searching "LED Flame Bulb" will find two different sellers, plus a lot of other products that aren't these. These are quite neat! Thanks for making us all aware, Big Clive!
Philip Partain The flame lamps with a piece of paper and a fan are stupid!
The animation reminds me of a cylindrically wrapped representation of one of the audio spectrum visualisers available on some of the PlayStation 1 consoles when playing CD music from it - cycling through various schemes as well as color ranges on the visualiser for viewing on TV. There was one scheme that looked like licking flames across the screen once the color option was cycled to the orange-yellow spectrum.
Very nice. These are so much better that the old neon flame bulbs.
I didn't understand half of what was going on here, but I still enjoyed seeing it get taken to bits and the accent is great
I've procured four flame effect LED bulbs over the last couple months from aliexpress. Two are the same size as the one in the video. However, they offer two modes, flame, and all-on. On these, the complex array of PCBs, connectors and cables seems to have been tidied up quite a bit. The flexible circuit board holding the LEDs also holds what appears to be a single chip as it folds through a slot on the aluminum tube and extends inside. Only two wires connect it to the power supply board coming up from the base. I haven't further disassembled the bulbs since it appears further disassembly would possibly be destructive. The other two bulbs are smaller, approximately 2"/50mm in diameter. Same height as the others. These are single mode only-flame effect. These also eliminate all the connectors and wires. The LEDs are mounted on the flexible board as before, wrapped into a cylindrical shape, but not an aluminum tube. The PCB tube is smaller in diameter, approx 1.25"/ 32mm. Same number of LEDs as the larger one, but more closely spaced. The PCB tube is mounted on one end to a circular double sided rigid PCB, which forms a base, and contains the brains of the bulb. It has a mystery 18 pin chip and some passives on the out-facing side, and what appears to be 18 transistors and passives on the in-facing side (the bottom of the tube). Again, only two wires (red positive, white negative) connect the whole assembly to the power supply in the base. The light assembly is powered by about 5V, which I verified by powering from a bench supply. Works down to about 3.1V at reasonable brightness. Below that, you can see that it does function, but the LEDs get very dim. According the the power supply, draw at 5V is about 500mA max. At 4V it drops to about 150mA. Not sure how accurate that is, but could make for a neat battery powered hand held lantern effect. Curiously, my dumb Kill-A-Watt says the smaller bulb is about 3W, the larger bulb 1W in flame mode. The large bulbs were less than $12USD, the smaller bulbs less than $8USD when I bought them. The larger ones have been on continuously for about a month, still seem to function fine. I've seen some sheet plastic at the local home improvement center that might be good for further diffusing the LEDs. It's clear, but textured so that it looks like rain rivulets on glass, designed to allow maximum light transmission, but highly and randomly distorted, the sort of thing one might use for a shower stall or bathroom to offer a degree of privacy. Really neat bulbs. We'll see how long they last.
I spray painted one red and put it in a Himalayan salt lamp, chunks of salt in a wire basket. I had to do some tweeks and set in in a black bowel. It looks awesome! I love this kind of thing.
oh sweet lordy, I want one! This thing is amazing...
I wonder if it would look even better with some of the leds around the bottom edge being cold-white to simulate the hotter part of the flame. Maybe even warmer ones near the top.
That's a good idea for more realism - I'm probably weird but I also think unrealistic flame colours (purple, green etc.) would also be a terrific option.
nah that would be cool. Maybe an rgb one too?
Eden Townsend If I'm not mistaken, iron is used for the red color
potassium= purple, Sodium=yellow, Barium= green, copper=blue, Strontium= red.
I think it would look a bit better if it had a better, more random-ish flame effect. Like, here, you can tell that it is a pattern that repeats. Maybe over the course of a few seconds to a few minutes, it would speed up/slow down, and the flames would "lick" more randomly as well.
Excellent videos as always Clive, I am like you In that I dismantle random electrical stuff for fun, as well as install / repair it properly (yes I'm an electrician/electronics engineer too)..These lamps are available in the uk from an electrical wholesalers in the south east called TLC. I've used several and really like them and they are available in BC or ES cap versions.
Damn, I've been dreaming about getting that flame effect right forever...
I like these bulbs better than the flicker bulbs I bought 2 years ago. Going to look into getting a couple.
Good to get to see the full version :) They got to feel the "cliveeffect" on their webpage for shure hehe
hi Clive I see you are rocking the ZZ Top look lol ... WOW this looks fantastic it's nice to see someone actually using ribbon cable than single stranded cable . another fantastic tear down from you keep up the great work you do 😎
And i thought you said you would not give away too much, but its very clever :-D.
Im sure it will catch on, shame they didnt get production ready for xmas, imagine the sales :-D
G'day fella.
Came across your channel a few days ago and been watching your videos, and must say i am enjoy them . Have subscribed
FWIW, I've done LED sequencing and tried randomizing via feedback shift registers, and I've found that I always started getting recognizable patterns. I experimented with a few different methods, and wound up using a Mercenne twister algorithm. Implementing that for 32 bits even on a small microcontroller is very quick, there are integer versions available easily online. I got lovely results using that.
If you want random patterns out of an n-bit LFSR, use every nth cycle of the LFSR.
G'day, Clive! The flickering torch-look is very realistic. Cheers! :-)
Wow! That one has a lot inside it. I bought one, for near the cheapest price, and took it apart. It had no wires inside. It had a board at the base teed with the LED panel and a transformer stuffed into the screw base. That simple design was fine with me, because all I wanted to do was to try a cheap one inside my salt lamp. I stripped the globe, and base off, hooked up a old night-light cord with switch attached directly to the lead power wires, then stuffed it inside my salt lamp. The animation of my bulb is probably bottom rank, but the effect inside the salt lamp is pretty satisfying. Your bulb - I bet - has a much better realistic flame. Looks sophisticated.
+Wookiemonsterfreak This was one of the first versions. Yours may actually have a more complicated flame pattern. They've evolved a lot in a year.
I had seen the original first time round, so glad its back up, bigclivedotcom V Koooooooowl
Woah, that looks cool.
Can't wait to see one opened up into miniature Christmas fireplace 😂
Love that lamp!
I was always wondering how this guy looks like; now I know! Pretty cool.
Do those LEDs have orange phosphor ? Seen that once before in an automotive lamp.
I wonder if the mystery chip is a SPI flash chip with the data - could make for some interesting hacks.
enough pixels to have rotating words?
Orange phosphor is typical for golden warm white LEDs.
It's a deep golden white. I think the mystery chip is just a serial to parallel converter for driving the ULN2803's, although the CPU has 32 pins, so I would have thought there would be 16 digital lines already available.
+Kyôdai Ken Those golden white LEDs seem to be this year's colour for Xmas lights here in the UK. I first came across them in a Halloween toy three or four years back.
Graham Langley
Makes sense for Europe. I'm from Germany and don't like warm white that much. I don't like the freaking hot summers here. So I prefere colder colors. Occasionaly in winter I turn on dim warm white lighting.
The one I have also detects which way up it is so you can use it cap up or down and the flames still go upward
The little power module is a current driver, actually, since LED intensity is linear with current, not voltage. Sinking I/O to 3 LED's each per line on each section. Artistically well done. "Echoed" is a good word! 5V/360 Ohms = 14 mA per LED. Probably PWM'ed for efficiency.
Great informative video. Thanks for breaking it down.
Just suggested this to friends who do Live action role playing I think its perfect for lanterns torches and even to top wizards staff should be a good market for them in that area
Poking around on their products page they do have some really nice variations on this basic lamp. I especially like the ones that look like old kerosene lanterns.
I can't help thinking that if that is "I'm not going to go into too much detail" What you left out must be really spectacular Good video though 8-)
Yeah, I did perhaps leave little to the imagination.
I would have liked to have seen a bit more analysis of the safety features (since that is what so many of these videos highlight). Was that an isolation slot I saw under the transformer?
I think that this is the lamp that I purchased and it worked great for many weeks. We had a power outage and now it just blinks (strobes) after just a few minutes of being in the flicker mode.
Dunked cookie! lol That stuff just don't go away! :)
I watched the other short vid and was depressed that I missed this one! But at last,,,,
Cheers and I love this vid
Impressive effect.
Hmmm... Imagining a row of those in wall sconces leading down the hallway toward my lair.
Nice vid, Clive!
I believe this is the same unit, judging especially from the one pic of the interior of the bulb, on Amazon in the US:
www.amazon.com/Advanced-Flickering-Multi-function-Emulation-Breathing/dp/B01LD167WO
That definitely looks like the right one! $26.99 right now on Amazon.
With a bit of reprogramming you could use it as a rotary hazard light.
SpudHead WHY? Fire is so much more fun
Wow Thats awesome! Thanks for sharing that
Amazing design! I can see these being all over ebay very soon. I expect they will get the design down to one chip, maybe multiplexed, once production is stepped up. I don't like the mode switching by power cycling, what if you want it on a timer? Maybe hackable to fix that.
The fade-on/fade-off looks like a handy flashing beacon (if you change out the LEDs for red ones) like those seen on the tops of radio towers to warn low-flying aircraft.
thanks clive for making a deal with them
Thanks for showing us.
Clive, I absolutely love the lamp and feel sorry to hear the company got mad at you.
I am gonna buy one now. You are the best. lol
I for one would love a tour of your storage/bench/work area. ive been trying to come up with a storage solution that makes sense, sofar to no avail.
Seems line their site is down. also they didn't turn off PHP warnings/errors and they get fed straight back to the user. People with malicious intents will probably be really happy about that.
The person who invented it
Deserves a Noble prize in physics
🤠
Awesome video!
Had to go get one of the tiki type lamps from poundland opened it up and it has a solis board inside with leds on both sides definately worth a look
I got one of the solar tiki lights. I'll make a video about it when I get back to my normal space.
the most realistic flame effect i have ever seen was on the protected extension cord you took apart a few months ago. :P
I like it and your videos Clive...
Def ordering a couple.
For the LFSR idea, if you could tap off each of the bits you could have a very interesting flame lamp. For a 16 bit shift register you can have up to 65 thousand states
that company's site has some fantastic Engrish
Indeed.
Yea I had to laugh when at the bottom right of the website I saw this "We believe we will have a won-won cooperation with a bright future!"
Chinglish in fact.
that's funny
Your very interesting to watch..thank you
I am TOTALLY buying this for my haunted house! I have a set of 'tortured torchieres' with a standard incandescent lamp on one of several flicker flame units. It is semi OK but never had the POP I wanted.
Check eBay for flame lamps. They have a huge range.
I love your beard.
Also I should have been a electrician. This all seems so interesting.
Love your videos.
Could you do a quick video on the "XOR - Linear Feedback Shift Register" circuit you mentioned; I'd enjoy that?
I have the blinky tape and this is how I use mine as well. I made an ambery fire animation pattern that I use as my night light/ambiance. I just ordered one of these bulbs off ebay, they are $35 and by a seemingly different company other than the one you listed. I believe the one I just ordered was by Junolux.
Update, I've been emailing back and forth between ledflamelamp.com and they want you to buy 5 at a time for $25 each. So minimum order requirement is $125 and free shipping. The bulb is compatible with both 110v and 220v lamp sockets.
LED Flame Lamp IS the inventor and has a patent. JunoLux is the competitor. However, LED Flame Lamp is only selling directly on Amazon's UK site with poor reviews. But on the U.S. Amazon site they sell the JunoLux version in two different fire colors, and theirs can be run upside down, and it flips the animation. So if you wanted to use them in your porch light, JunoLux would be the one to choose. Plus, if you are a Prime member, they are only $27 each. No need to buy 5 if you just want to try them out.
Would love one of these for a haunted house, old style haunted dining room aesthetic :)
Cnerde these inside Halloween 🎃 :s!