CCI Velocitors get my vote, especially out of a 10/22. Mini-Mag’s and Stingers are awesome too. As a civilian for self defense I feel pretty safe with a good .22LR Rifle/Pistol and some CCI Ammo.
I'm getting the 22LR S & W 43C revolver. Super light at 11.5 ounces fully loaded / snub nose / that is easy to carry without showing. I have 2 semi auto pistols used at the range a Ruger SR22 & a Taurus TX 22. Both shoot really well after many rounds thru them. So far the Ruger had one round that failed to fire & blocked the chamber. The Taurus TX 22 had no failures in about 500 rounds thru each. The revolver trade off is number of rounds for reliability. Any misfire just pull the trigger again as the chamber rotates.
@@mikehernandez4275'd avoid aguila super CPHP had 25 out of 250 FTF with my 43c and gunked up cylinder very difficult to eject. I'm sticking with cci stingers and minimags for now as they ran flawless and are locally available, if I see federal punch or velocitor i"ll grab some. I'm nervous to try other aguila/bulk pack stuff now. Mini mags cheap enough 🤷♂️ happy plinking. Stay safe out there 🙏💚
@@Thomas-to5dr The thing about the 43C Air Lite is its footprint & light weight. As a little concealed carry its hard to beat with reliable 22LR ammo. It took awhile at the range to get my shots where I wanted. Big White Dot sight is a plus. Trigger pull was a little stout but there is the Wilson Combat trigger kit that has 3 different springs to adjust to that pull. With the lightest spring tension it didn't like the cheap bulk Remington or Browning ammo. Had 30% FTF. Going to the middle spring tension improved it to 10% FTF with bulk ammo. I have the CCI Mini Mags ready for the next trip at the range. I expect much better results.
@@Thomas-to5dr Its really a short range revolver for CC. Put them side by side & you'll see a Big size difference. Pick them up & weight on the 43C is nothing.
Totally agree on caliber underrated!!! Growing up in TN. in my 51yrs my neighbor & his son both have killed far more deer & prefer the . 22lr over any other cal, no muzzle rise.
I have Two Kel-Tec P17's, a CP33, a PMR30 22Mag and a Rossi RS22 Rifle! I love the 22LR/22 Mag platform and I shoot at my LGR, Indoor & Outdoors once a week here in Sunny Florida! I also EDC my P17 and sometime my PMR30! All Great guns with very little problems!
I've always recommended velocitors to people that want to carry 22lr. Good to see yet another test backing up my recommendation! Punch seems like a good second choice though. I occasionally carry a Kel-Tec P17 and use punch in it since I figure that the longer barrel may get velocitors to open up and underpenetrate plus the added velocity can only help the solid punch bullets. Regardless, 22lr is a pretty underrated carry round imo. It certainly isn't very powerful, but something like a Taurus TX22 with a light, red dot, and maybe a suppresor would be a scary house gun option. No recoil, instant follow up shots, and cheap ammo that allows one to really get a lot of practice aren't anything to scoff at.
I also have the LCR in 22lr. I typically carry Velocitors in the gun. I tried shooting the Federal Punch, but they are a bitch to extract from the cylinder after being shot. It seems as though the casing is just a hair larger than other 22lr ammo. Over the years, I've shot just about every 22lr ammo out there and the problem only happens with the Federal Punch. Not a problem for my first 8 shots, but if I had to reload in a hurry, it would be. However, they work fine out of my Ruger Mark III semi-auto.
Your stingers do not look like stingers. A real stinger has a nickel case, where yours, in the video seem to just be brass. Also, the stinger case is longer than all of the others, so the Punch is not just a stinger case with a lighter bullet. Make sure someone did not swap out your ammo for theirs and leave you some regular mini mags for your stingers. I have a newer box and have shot them for over 40 years, and that stinger brass is supposed to be nickle plated.
Finally a real ballistics test from a short barrel 22lr self defense gun pitting velositors with punch. This just confirmed my choice of round for self defense in my lcp2.
I don’t think you can go wrong with any decent .22 loading. It’s a great round that allows for dead on accuracy. How it penetrates clothes I do t know, but Paul Harrel has shown it breaks pork ribs, that’s damn impressive!
Great video and interesting results. About 5 years ago tested 22LR ammo with my wife's LCR. The three shot average had the Velocitor perform the best at 14.08", followed by Mini-Mag 36g CPHP at 12.75" and Stingers at 11.6". Hope to see more content down the road.
I’ve got Punch as a back-up defense, hunting and SHTF round for my S&W M&P 15/22, with a suppressed 18” barrel. It cycles flawlessly and should be coming out at around 1600 fps. I have no complaints about that.
I watched another video and the guy had a 10in ruger charger and the penetration was AMAZING. They advertise about velocity in short barrels but it seems to be a much better rifle/carbine round
It's strange how different gel tests come out, using the same ammo, and similar length barrels. Usually the punch far out penetrates other lr out of short barrels. I guess your denim had quite an effect on results.
Those federal punches in 22lr is a game changer people doubt the humble 22lr but I wouldn't feel unarmed with one that's realible like the taurus tx22 in fact I carry it sometimes when it's hot it's lite weight and fallow up shots are easy to get like a swarm of hornets coming at you
Great video! I’ll be picking up some Velocitor for my Ruger LCR. I’d love to see more gel ballistics with the Velocitor and the mystery round. Just a guess here on the mystery round, but could it possibly be the cci mini mag 40 grain copper plated round nose?
So after shooting a lot more of the "mystery round", which is the 42 grain lead round nose Eley Force, they unfortunately designed the case so thin that they expand the very end of them (forming a bulge) and they lock up the cylinder and it gets to a point where you can't pull the trigger. I do NOT recommend them for self defense out of an LCR because of this. Disappointing.
Is it just me or does the smoke from the Aguila rounds have a different smell than cci and Winchester? Noticed it last time I went to my local indoor range
Ok. You got me hooked. About a week ago I put a Bobcat "covert" on layaway. Not so much for use with a can but because I like the 2.9 inch barrel length. But the LCR is a good choice - maybe better - when one considers revolver reliability with rimfire. We'll see.
Im a fan of a 22lr for ccw now that the ammo has come a long way with fed punch i have a whole safe full of semi autos and revolvers of high calibers but i now carry a sw 43c or the 317 kit gun in a 3 inch barrel with 2 10 round speed strips I have had a ccw for over 35 years every day and its hard for me to carry a heavy gun any more its a real chore Im starting to ware out and I can put all the rounds where they need to go to stop any threat that comes my way I carry to protect me and my wife and she has a ccw also
@@breakcontact I bet your attacker feels more comfortable as well knowing that you only carry a 22lr. If he had the choice between attacking someone with a 22lr a 45acp and a 357 Magnum which do you think he would choose? We don't have 1000s of nukes for nothing...
@@ahole5407 Unlike rifles and nukes, with handguns, shot placement is what matters. There has never been a case where after getting at least one round of 22 on an attacker, that a self defender was killed.
@@John_Malloy "self defender" wth? What county are you live in? Might as well keep your useless comments to yourself if you can't understand basics reasoning.
@@John_Malloy I will also add before you delete your comment like all you foreigners do, that many have been killed after firing upon an attacker, even when the attackers only weapon was a knife and even when the attackers was unarmed . But that just shows how ignorant you are. Be honest with everyone, you don't even own a gun, and probably never even held one. You people come to the internet and pose as if you are someone you are not. You flock to topics such as this because you have no rights where you live and think that your 2cents matters when it doesn't. I can't wait for the day when YT blocks all these foreign accounts and forces anyone that is not verified to be in the US out of the platform. You people only come here because you only wish you had what we have. No go back to your mud hut and be thankful we gave you electricity.
Thanks for watching! I would suspect the mini mag round nose would perform similar to hollow point because of the velocity being so low out of the 1.87 inch barrel, there was no expansion with the HP round.
Remember that for ammo to pass the FBI test, it must penetrate beyond 12 inches, but no further than 16 inches. If it exists the 16 inch block, then it fails the test. Over penetration is hazardous to any unintended targets.
Fbi standard is 12 to 18 inches* (and 1.5 x expansion) "The Bureau concluded that for a handgun round to be consistently effective, it needed to penetrate 12”-18” in calibrated gelatin and expand to at least 1.5 times its original diameter. "
There 2 questions when it comes to using .22 for self defense. Is .22 good for self defense and is .22 good ENOUGH for self defense. My opinion is that compare to other calibers, .22 is not particularly great for self defense. It makes smaller holes after all. However I do think it is good ENOUGH for self defense. It still put holes inside the target and at the end of the day shot placement is most important. All in all this was an excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
On rare occasion our NAA .22lr gets carried...our lcp ll never gets carried... .22lr is not ideal by any means, but it still fulfills rule #1, have a gun...our other .22 handguns aren't suited for carry, but in a pinch we refer to rule #1...the one thing about .22 is we do shoot much more of it than any other caliber (by factor of at least 10), and are more familiar with those particular firearms...everything is relative, sigh...
CCI IMHO makes the most reliable rim fire 22. if you use a pistol you dont want a dud, a revolver on the other hand can bring up another round with a turn of the cylinder. P.S. never had a CCI not go bang!
I have 2 of the PT-22's and neither will run the Federal Punch. One is an older model and one is the PT-22 Poly. I really like your ammo selection. A really fine selection of hyper velocity ammo.
@@won8135 mine likes Remington Thunderbolts, CCI Blazer, Federal copper coated hollow points, CCI Mini Mags and Aguila Super Extra in copper coated hollow and solid points.
It looks like a bit more mass just penetrates better, even if slower, up to a point. Velocitor is what, a 40 grain bullet? Punch is 29 grain? Stinger is 32 grain? I could have BBs at twice the muzzle velocity here maybe penetrating half as well.
Our lcp ll is okay with 36gr mini-mags and thunderbolts, running 99-100% usually...but that 99% means we have never carried the gun...other brands such as federal, aguila, and winchester tend to run at 94-97% which totally is unacceptable...in a pinch, I (and not my missus), would probably trust the gun for the 1st 30 rounds, as normally the malfunctions occur after 50-60 rounds have been fired, and the gun is getting dirtier...ymmv...
I believe Lucky gunner used the same revolver for his 22lr test. I was curious why his results were so much shorter than yours for the velocitors? I am planning on carrying a .22 and have been trying to figure out some of the discrepancies in these tests. Any insight or something I’ve missed? Thank you for the very thorough test!
Great question. I wouldn't put too much focus on the exact distance discrepancy. It's like weighing yourself on different scales. I forgot the distance in that test, but I think it still met FBI penetration standards. Also, I put a lot of rounds into the gel and I forget how many he did. Do you remember the amount of rounds was fired in gel? Also, keep in mind the temperature, humidity affects the gel. Also the kind of gel, I used Clear Ballistics. Not sure if they made their own gel or if it was Clear Ballistics. Even the batches from them can be different from one another.
Luckygunner Chris Baker did 10 ft distance Clear gel 5 rounds of each loading Layers of heavy clothing might be the differing factor ... Anyway great info you have put out!
@@kimurasquirrel got a different scenario from a chatai inquery on this. Mention this because for folks making a decision on these two revolvers might want to explore this type of characterization further. I own a 22lr LCR and am planning to buy the 43c.
If you want a bigger wound channel go with a bigger round. Withsmall calibers penetration is most important. Always when small calibers dump energy they loose penetration.
Yes, obviously larger calibers make larger wounds. The idea here is to make wounds that are large enough for breaking contact/self defense. Penetration is most important with ALL calibers in firearms. ALL calibers lose penetration as they lose energy.
Hah! Well some bad news Barry. So after shooting a lot more of the "mystery round", which is the 42 grain lead round nose Eley Force, they unfortunately designed the case so thin that they expand the very end of them (forming a bulge) and they lock up the cylinder and it gets to a point where you can't pull the trigger. I do NOT recommend them for self defense out of an LCR because of this. Disappointing.
I was just thinking about Shooting the Bull yesterday. I hope he's alright but I tend to think not. Hasn't been around in years now. Didn't look too healthy in his last couple of vids. I really wish he was still around.
I've shot the cci stingers for years and they have always been a nickel case not brass. I was curious about the brass ammo in your stinger container. Have they changed recently? Thanks for the great vids.
Would be great if S&W make an aluminum K frame with a 10 shot cylinder and 2.5 or 3 inch barrel. Forget about the 12 inch FBI standard! For normal selfdefence without barrier penetration its not important.
Great demonstration of ammunition. Can't seem to find CCI velocitors, so I'll still stay with 3 federal punch. 3 CCI stinger, and 2Aguila extreme velocity ammunition. Barely any recoil and lightweight is great for the Ruger LCR. Also, i did get stuck shell casings from Winchester bulk.22 at range. What i did was use a polymer.22 brush in each of the 8 ports on the cycling and Then added some Birchwood Casey oil in each again, and this helps tremendously to eject all 8 , from cylinder. Basically just keeping cylinder ports clean from blast powder of each time fired, it builds up over time, especially on .22 revolver.
From what I see the stinger and a few others will fragment semi reliably 1 to 2 chips and 3rd being main bulk. The winchester 37 gr varmint HE from snub actually reliably expands from .22 to .25 which was notable as it was only one to get expansion at all in lucky gunnes testing of snub 22lr with 7 ammo types tested. Longer barrels HP or segmented stuff works better, in snub most stuff performs like a round tip. Stays .22 barely changes at all vs unfired round in gel tests. Even the holllow points
Thanks for the constructive criticism John! I honestly published this video for myself, hence for community, and I didn't really plan it out a lot, nor script it. I did speak slow with purpose, but maybe too much LOL
I know you were simply stating your opinion, however, I wish folks in the firearms community would stop saying things like, “It’s really all you need as a civilian”. I’m in law enforcement, but will retire in a few years. I think I’ll decide “what I need” based on the context of my life in retirement and the activities undertaken. Those against our right to carry what we choose often say, “blank is all you really need” when discussing the caliber, capacity, configuration etc.
@@hotrunny Thanks for watching SledgeAZ! The Winchester Varmint HE, which was re-branded for self-defense and called Silvertip are OK. From the videos I've seen of this round, I wouldn't recommend it for self-defense however because it shed's too much weight before penetrating around 12-13 inches. It would work, but for a two-legged criminal you want as much mass and bullet weight penetrating the furthest to actually stop an attack. The 3 shrapnel parts breaking off between 3-4 inches would hurt and cause more bleeding, but it would not stop an attack with a CNS hit. Uhhhhmmmm....
@@JohnDoe-sx2zk This is one of the topics or subjects that has always vexed me. A 22LR (yes I know LR stands for long rifle but there are 22 shorts, 22longs, and 22long rifles so it is a nomenclature and semantic nightmare)...a 22lr can be fired out of a rifle or a handgun so is it a rifle round or a handgun round? As well as almost every cartridge considered a "pistol" round has been chambered in a rifle. see semantics. That being said here is a list of pistols (not complete or conclusive) that can fire what are normally considered rifle rounds.
Round sure is legal Grumpy! After shooting a lot more of the "mystery round", which is the 42 grain lead round nose Eley Force, they unfortunately designed the case so thin that they expand the very end of them (forming a bulge) and they lock up the cylinder and it gets to a point where you can't pull the trigger. I do NOT recommend them for self defense out of an LCR because of this. Disappointing.
Thanks for watching Ez E! Yeah that would be interesting to test too. From the videos I've seen of this round, I wouldn't recommend it for self defense because it shed's so much weight before penetrating around 12-13 inches. It would work, but for a two legged criminal you want as much mass and bullet weight penetrating the furthest to actually stop an attack. The 3 shrapnel parts breaking off between 3-4 inches would hurt and cause more bleeding, but it would not stop an attack with a CNS hit.
@@breakcontact . A 22lr probably won't lay someone flat anyway(yes I know they can be lethal. It's why I'm even here commenting.) But I've also seen those videos. And the wound channels and fragments. Of the silvertips. Might be a compromise against the mass of final piece. Plus the final piece flattens more. Out of all the 22lr hollow points out of a pistol. Silvertips do what they are supposed too. . I have velocitors and silvertips. . But the velocitors I had to order from cci. Silvertips I found locally. So I kinda like the silvertips so I'm personally carrying them . Couldn't find any punch.(they did well in other videos for penetration). Mabey alternate sivertips and velocitors in my mag. And double tap.
Too bad about the silvertip, but I agree that the 22 version kinda sucks. The NAME has a stellar history, however. For years, I used the 130 gr silvertip in .270 for elk. Brought down dozens with one shot each.....but never shot at a moving animal.
Let me give you some of my 60 years of experience. I see everyone looking for that magic bullet that has the most penetration. Why? So you all want the bullet to pass through and maybe hurt or kill an innocent person standing beyond the one you might have to shoot at? What you need to be looking for is one with decent penetration, not too much, but with the largest would cavity. That one will hurt the most and make them bleed more. Stop looking for the one the passes through as you do not want to kill maybe a baby on the mother’s arms standing 50’ behind the person you are trying to control with that shot. Be careful what the wish for. Also, all handguns are pistols. The revolver was and still is the original pistol. They are both pistols. If you need to define them, three use the proper terms like revolver and semi auto. A pistol is any handgun, and that could even be a T/C Contender single shot pistol. On first pass, to me, the Mini Mag HP’s had the best and most dramatic wound channel. I have seen and know many who shoot the Mexico made ammo, and I am not at all impressed. You also want to pick the most accurate ammo for that gun. If you cannot hit what your aiming it, no matter how the ammo tests in he, it does you no good what so ever. You may as well be carrying a stick. Just be smart. Find the most accurate and best would channel ammo that works well in YOUR gun.
Why on earth would you carry 22lr when 9mm is readily available? I can't wrap my head around it. Do you want the guy to live? You will be paying his medical bills and for his disabilities if he does regardless of the fact that he was the aggressor. My home was broken into one night years ago while I was asleep. After I woke up and racked my 870 the three ppl (2 guys 1 girl) leaped through windows to escape. Called 911 and after almost 2 hours of waiting because of a dispute on whether my house in the city or county, (city police hq was 1 mile away.. 🤔 county arrived and took pictures. The deputy explained to me that I was well within my rights to kill them all as long as they were in my house. He added that I needed to make sure that they were dead as it would be less paperwork for him and that I wouldn't get sued if they survived. I respect that cop. It was years ago but I haven't met many like him since that time.
Your comment is absurd. Based on statistics, the 22lr has more stopping power than all other rounds. 70% stopped with 1 round to the center chest or head. The caliber debate is ridiculous. If you are a police officer or military, by all means go with a 9mm. Most civilians and especially woman do not train enough to master a 9mm. I have seen so many at the range scared shitless and completely unable to handle the gun. So many gun salesman do a great disservice with their idiotic opinion that unless you have a 9mm, you might as well carry a stick. Bullox. One should only carry a gun and caliber that they can shoot fast and accurate. Opinions should be based on real world evidence. ruclips.net/video/nycYxb-zNwc/видео.html
You want to have your projectile strike the bystander behind your target so you get sued. I prefer to have my projectile stop in the perp so they have to seek some sort of medical help if they should out do me. You need to understand how much pass threw can cost you in the end, everything you own or ever will own in many cases. Disruption is what you really want, the more the better, I carry a 22 magnum varmint round in my 1.75 barreled revolver. Look on line and see what happens when a 22 projectile fragments inside a gel block.
You obviously don't understand the gel test. Just because a round can go 12" or more through gel doesn't mean it will go that far through a human. Your fragmenting varmint round is a bad choice. It won't penetrate to the vitals of a human most likely.
Stinger's are junk.They don't have enough bearings surface to be accurate.Sure, they're fast but you can't hit nothing with him.But of course you gotta know how to shoot first
CCI Velocitors get my vote, especially out of a 10/22. Mini-Mag’s and Stingers are awesome too. As a civilian for self defense I feel pretty safe with a good .22LR Rifle/Pistol and some CCI Ammo.
Hell yeah they’ll do the trick especially out of a rifle like you said
I'm getting the 22LR S & W 43C revolver. Super light at 11.5 ounces fully loaded / snub nose / that is easy to carry without showing. I have 2 semi auto pistols used at the range a Ruger SR22 & a Taurus TX 22. Both shoot really well after many rounds thru them. So far the Ruger had one round that failed to fire & blocked the chamber. The Taurus TX 22 had no failures in about 500 rounds thru each. The revolver trade off is number of rounds for reliability. Any misfire just pull the trigger again as the chamber rotates.
I’m loving my 43c, so far I’ve only ran punch trough it.
@@mikehernandez4275'd avoid aguila super CPHP had 25 out of 250 FTF with my 43c and gunked up cylinder very difficult to eject. I'm sticking with cci stingers and minimags for now as they ran flawless and are locally available, if I see federal punch or velocitor i"ll grab some. I'm nervous to try other aguila/bulk pack stuff now. Mini mags cheap enough 🤷♂️ happy plinking. Stay safe out there 🙏💚
@@Thomas-to5dr The thing about the 43C Air Lite is its footprint & light weight. As a little concealed carry its hard to beat with reliable 22LR ammo. It took awhile at the range to get my shots where I wanted. Big White Dot sight is a plus. Trigger pull was a little stout but there is the Wilson Combat trigger kit that has 3 different springs to adjust to that pull. With the lightest spring tension it didn't like the cheap bulk Remington or Browning ammo. Had 30% FTF. Going to the middle spring tension improved it to 10% FTF with bulk ammo. I have the CCI Mini Mags ready for the next trip at the range. I expect much better results.
@@Thomas-to5dr Its really a short range revolver for CC. Put them side by side & you'll see a Big size difference. Pick them up & weight on the 43C is nothing.
I have always gotten the best pentration from the 40 grain Mini Mag solid. They always outperform everything else, even the velociter.
Can I ask what hand gun?
Totally agree on caliber underrated!!! Growing up in TN. in my 51yrs my neighbor & his son both have killed far more deer & prefer the . 22lr over any other cal, no muzzle rise.
I have Two Kel-Tec P17's, a CP33, a PMR30 22Mag and a Rossi RS22 Rifle! I love the 22LR/22 Mag platform and I shoot at my LGR, Indoor & Outdoors once a week here in Sunny Florida! I also EDC my P17 and sometime my PMR30! All Great guns with very little problems!
I've always recommended velocitors to people that want to carry 22lr. Good to see yet another test backing up my recommendation! Punch seems like a good second choice though. I occasionally carry a Kel-Tec P17 and use punch in it since I figure that the longer barrel may get velocitors to open up and underpenetrate plus the added velocity can only help the solid punch bullets. Regardless, 22lr is a pretty underrated carry round imo. It certainly isn't very powerful, but something like a Taurus TX22 with a light, red dot, and maybe a suppresor would be a scary house gun option. No recoil, instant follow up shots, and cheap ammo that allows one to really get a lot of practice aren't anything to scoff at.
Agree on velocitors
I also have the LCR in 22lr. I typically carry Velocitors in the gun. I tried shooting the Federal Punch, but they are a bitch to extract from the cylinder after being shot. It seems as though the casing is just a hair larger than other 22lr ammo. Over the years, I've shot just about every 22lr ammo out there and the problem only happens with the Federal Punch. Not a problem for my first 8 shots, but if I had to reload in a hurry, it would be. However, they work fine out of my Ruger Mark III semi-auto.
I carry 22LR and I agree with you
Thanks for watching Thomas!
Your stingers do not look like stingers. A real stinger has a nickel case, where yours, in the video seem to just be brass. Also, the stinger case is longer than all of the others, so the Punch is not just a stinger case with a lighter bullet. Make sure someone did not swap out your ammo for theirs and leave you some regular mini mags for your stingers. I have a newer box and have shot them for over 40 years, and that stinger brass is supposed to be nickle plated.
The Federal Punch casing is extra long. It is the same length as a CCI Stinger casing
Bummer you didn't test the world's fastest .22 round, CCI 1800+ hp round, I would love to see how it tested against the rest of them.😢
Finally a real ballistics test from a short barrel 22lr self defense gun pitting velositors with punch. This just confirmed my choice of round for self defense in my lcp2.
I appreciate your comment Bruce! I saw that YT was lacking such video and did the best I could to fill that need. Glad it helped you brother!
I don’t think you can go wrong with any decent .22 loading. It’s a great round that allows for dead on accuracy. How it penetrates clothes I do t know, but Paul Harrel has shown it breaks pork ribs, that’s damn impressive!
Great video and interesting results. About 5 years ago tested 22LR ammo with my wife's LCR. The three shot average had the Velocitor perform the best at 14.08", followed by Mini-Mag 36g CPHP at 12.75" and Stingers at 11.6". Hope to see more content down the road.
I’ve got Punch as a back-up defense, hunting and SHTF round for my S&W M&P 15/22, with a suppressed 18” barrel. It cycles flawlessly and should be coming out at around 1600 fps. I have no complaints about that.
I watched another video and the guy had a 10in ruger charger and the penetration was AMAZING. They advertise about velocity in short barrels but it seems to be a much better rifle/carbine round
I asked Walmart for a box of Mystery Round & they looked at me funny.
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It's strange how different gel tests come out, using the same ammo, and similar length barrels. Usually the punch far out penetrates other lr out of short barrels. I guess your denim had quite an effect on results.
Those federal punches in 22lr is a game changer people doubt the humble 22lr but I wouldn't feel unarmed with one that's realible like the taurus tx22 in fact I carry it sometimes when it's hot it's lite weight and fallow up shots are easy to get like a swarm of hornets coming at you
Great video! I’ll be picking up some Velocitor for my Ruger LCR. I’d love to see more gel ballistics with the Velocitor and the mystery round. Just a guess here on the mystery round, but could it possibly be the cci mini mag 40 grain copper plated round nose?
So after shooting a lot more of the "mystery round", which is the 42 grain lead round nose Eley Force, they unfortunately designed the case so thin that they expand the very end of them (forming a bulge) and they lock up the cylinder and it gets to a point where you can't pull the trigger. I do NOT recommend them for self defense out of an LCR because of this. Disappointing.
@@breakcontact I had the same issue with the Federal Punch ammo.
Tools&targets has been testing that punch a lot lately interesting youtuber but this was a good video thanks
I have been watching his content, focusing in on the punch round! It's JELLY TIME!! = )
Is it just me or does the smoke from the Aguila rounds have a different smell than cci and Winchester? Noticed it last time I went to my local indoor range
Totally agree!! The Aguilar rounds powder plugs up my nose
smells like super glue
Would love to see more of this 22lr testing w lcr.. great 1st video!
Ok. You got me hooked. About a week ago I put a Bobcat "covert" on layaway. Not so much for use with a can but because I like the 2.9 inch barrel length. But the LCR is a good choice - maybe better - when one considers revolver reliability with rimfire. We'll see.
Im a fan of a 22lr for ccw now that the ammo has come a long way with fed punch i have a whole safe full of semi autos and revolvers of high calibers but i now carry a sw 43c or the 317 kit gun in a 3 inch barrel with 2 10 round speed strips I have had a ccw for over 35 years every day and its hard for me to carry a heavy gun any more its a real chore Im starting to ware out and I can put all the rounds where they need to go to stop any threat that comes my way I carry to protect me and my wife and she has a ccw also
Yes! The .22 ammo technology has come a long way, and I feel comfortable carrying this little caliber as well.😁
@@breakcontact I bet your attacker feels more comfortable as well knowing that you only carry a 22lr.
If he had the choice between attacking someone with a 22lr a 45acp and a 357 Magnum which do you think he would choose? We don't have 1000s of nukes for nothing...
@@ahole5407 Unlike rifles and nukes, with handguns, shot placement is what matters. There has never been a case where after getting at least one round of 22 on an attacker, that a self defender was killed.
@@John_Malloy "self defender" wth? What county are you live in? Might as well keep your useless comments to yourself if you can't understand basics reasoning.
@@John_Malloy I will also add before you delete your comment like all you foreigners do, that many have been killed after firing upon an attacker, even when the attackers only weapon was a knife and even when the attackers was unarmed . But that just shows how ignorant you are. Be honest with everyone, you don't even own a gun, and probably never even held one. You people come to the internet and pose as if you are someone you are not. You flock to topics such as this because you have no rights where you live and think that your 2cents matters when it doesn't. I can't wait for the day when YT blocks all these foreign accounts and forces anyone that is not verified to be in the US out of the platform. You people only come here because you only wish you had what we have. No go back to your mud hut and be thankful we gave you electricity.
Thanks, good thorough review. Would like to know how the mini mag round nose performed too.
Thanks for watching! I would suspect the mini mag round nose would perform similar to hollow point because of the velocity being so low out of the 1.87 inch barrel, there was no expansion with the HP round.
Remember that for ammo to pass the FBI test, it must penetrate beyond 12 inches, but no further than 16 inches. If it exists the 16 inch block, then it fails the test. Over penetration is hazardous to any unintended targets.
Fbi standard is 12 to 18 inches* (and 1.5 x expansion) "The Bureau concluded that for a handgun round to be consistently effective, it needed to penetrate 12”-18” in calibrated gelatin and expand to at least 1.5 times its original diameter. "
There 2 questions when it comes to using .22 for self defense. Is .22 good for self defense and is .22 good ENOUGH for self defense. My opinion is that compare to other calibers, .22 is not particularly great for self defense. It makes smaller holes after all. However I do think it is good ENOUGH for self defense. It still put holes inside the target and at the end of the day shot placement is most important. All in all this was an excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
On rare occasion our NAA .22lr gets carried...our lcp ll never gets carried... .22lr is not ideal by any means, but it still fulfills rule #1, have a gun...our other .22 handguns aren't suited for carry, but in a pinch we refer to rule #1...the one thing about .22 is we do shoot much more of it than any other caliber (by factor of at least 10), and are more familiar with those particular firearms...everything is relative, sigh...
CCI also makes an SGB load. Small Game Bullet is 40gr. with a flat or maybe cupped nose. That bullet may hit hard.
Thanks but you forgot the best personal defense 22lr round IMO, Winchester Silvertip. Punch is my next choice but the Silvertip is awesome.
That’s my guess for the mystery round- am I right? What is the mystery round? Silvertip has my guess
I would love to see federal do a traditional case length for the punch 22lr, would cycle in a wider range of guns at the cost of little velocity
I agree Sean! Would also be a little heavier too.
CCI IMHO makes the most reliable rim fire 22. if you use a pistol you dont want a dud, a revolver on the other hand can bring up another round with a turn of the cylinder. P.S. never had a CCI not go bang!
I have 2 of the PT-22's and neither will run the Federal Punch. One is an older model and one is the PT-22 Poly. I really like your ammo selection. A really fine selection of hyper velocity ammo.
I just ordered a pt22. Would you suggest the best ammo you've found for it. It's appreciated.
@@won8135 mine likes Remington Thunderbolts, CCI Blazer, Federal copper coated hollow points, CCI Mini Mags and Aguila Super Extra in copper coated hollow and solid points.
@@won8135 I have an older PT 22 also. I ran four magazines of federal punch through it without any problems. Go figure.
Who made that holster for the LCR? Looks like exactly what I want for mine.
Here you go buddy! shop.roundedgear.com/products/ruger-lcr-lcrx-tuckable-iwb-kydex-holster
It looks like a bit more mass just penetrates better, even if slower, up to a point. Velocitor is what, a 40 grain bullet? Punch is 29 grain? Stinger is 32 grain? I could have BBs at twice the muzzle velocity here maybe penetrating half as well.
All of those wound channels would qualify as a deadly wound.
I concur brother!
Just bought lcp2 ,22 - only ammo rec was cci mini & win sil tips. All they had!!!! And they weren't throwing any in the deal.
Have you ever checked out ammoseek.com?
Our lcp ll is okay with 36gr mini-mags and thunderbolts, running 99-100% usually...but that 99% means we have never carried the gun...other brands such as federal, aguila, and winchester tend to run at 94-97% which totally is unacceptable...in a pinch, I (and not my missus), would probably trust the gun for the 1st 30 rounds, as normally the malfunctions occur after 50-60 rounds have been fired, and the gun is getting dirtier...ymmv...
Does anyone know the verdict on what the mystery round was?
I believe Lucky gunner used the same revolver for his 22lr test. I was curious why his results were so much shorter than yours for the velocitors? I am planning on carrying a .22 and have been trying to figure out some of the discrepancies in these tests. Any insight or something I’ve missed? Thank you for the very thorough test!
Great question. I wouldn't put too much focus on the exact distance discrepancy. It's like weighing yourself on different scales. I forgot the distance in that test, but I think it still met FBI penetration standards. Also, I put a lot of rounds into the gel and I forget how many he did. Do you remember the amount of rounds was fired in gel? Also, keep in mind the temperature, humidity affects the gel. Also the kind of gel, I used Clear Ballistics. Not sure if they made their own gel or if it was Clear Ballistics. Even the batches from them can be different from one another.
Luckygunner Chris Baker did
10 ft distance
Clear gel
5 rounds of each loading
Layers of heavy clothing might be the differing factor ...
Anyway great info you have put out!
And you are correct it is like using different scales - good analogy
No he used a 43c, which is known to have on avg about 100fps less than the LCR .22lr even though they have the same barrel lengths.
@@kimurasquirrel got a different scenario from a chatai inquery on this. Mention this because for folks making a decision on these two revolvers might want to explore this type of characterization further. I own a 22lr LCR and am planning to buy the 43c.
Mostly long winded, incoherent and totally disorganised. However the information from 15 mins and 14 seconds onwards was worth it for sure.
God Bless.
What's the name of that holster you show the LCR residing in? Looks like exactly what I've been looking for.
Here you go buddy! shop.roundedgear.com/products/ruger-lcr-lcrx-tuckable-iwb-kydex-holster
I waa just thinking about the velocity difference between lcpII and the lcr. Very timely video. Great work
If you want a bigger wound channel go with a bigger round. Withsmall calibers penetration is most important. Always when small calibers dump energy they loose penetration.
Yes, obviously larger calibers make larger wounds. The idea here is to make wounds that are large enough for breaking contact/self defense.
Penetration is most important with ALL calibers in firearms.
ALL calibers lose penetration as they lose energy.
Good video except for not disclosing your mystery round. Guessing it's Winchester Super X but only you know !
Hah! Well some bad news Barry. So after shooting a lot more of the "mystery round", which is the 42 grain lead round nose Eley Force, they unfortunately designed the case so thin that they expand the very end of them (forming a bulge) and they lock up the cylinder and it gets to a point where you can't pull the trigger. I do NOT recommend them for self defense out of an LCR because of this. Disappointing.
I was just thinking about Shooting the Bull yesterday. I hope he's alright but I tend to think not. Hasn't been around in years now. Didn't look too healthy in his last couple of vids. I really wish he was still around.
Great video bub
Thanks bub! Sounds like Wolverine to me lol Glad you enjoyed it.
Punch or stingers I'll go with I'm getting my lcr 22 soon.
Either one of those are fine choices!
I use the stingers in my Sr22. Carry it everyday
Velocitors are better than stingers for penetration.
Stingers don't penetrate sufficiently in many tests, especially if they open up. For example, Lucky Gunner showed about 9 inches.
I've shot the cci stingers for years and they have always been a nickel case not brass. I was curious about the brass ammo in your stinger container. Have they changed recently? Thanks for the great vids.
Looks to me for some reason his velocitets were in the stinger box and the stingers in velociters
Swapped lids by mistake?
Would be great if S&W make an aluminum K frame with a 10 shot cylinder and 2.5 or 3 inch barrel. Forget about the 12 inch FBI standard! For normal selfdefence without barrier penetration its not important.
Great demonstration of ammunition. Can't seem to find CCI velocitors, so I'll still stay with 3 federal punch. 3 CCI stinger, and 2Aguila extreme velocity ammunition. Barely any recoil and lightweight is great for the Ruger LCR. Also, i did get stuck shell casings from Winchester bulk.22 at range. What i did was use a polymer.22 brush in each of the 8 ports on the cycling and Then added some Birchwood Casey oil in each again, and this helps tremendously to eject all 8 , from cylinder. Basically just keeping cylinder ports clean from blast powder of each time fired, it builds up over time, especially on .22 revolver.
Hey bud your stingers are not stingers how good of friends are you talking about for helping you with this
can you test all the segmented 22lr in the LCR snub nose? I am curious to see if they would expand.
From what I see the stinger and a few others will fragment semi reliably 1 to 2 chips and 3rd being main bulk. The winchester 37 gr varmint HE from snub actually reliably expands from .22 to .25 which was notable as it was only one to get expansion at all in lucky gunnes testing of snub 22lr with 7 ammo types tested. Longer barrels HP or segmented stuff works better, in snub most stuff performs like a round tip. Stays .22 barely changes at all vs unfired round in gel tests. Even the holllow points
Thanks for the effort to put this video out. Very informative, but your slow delivery put me to sleep. Sorry
Thanks for the constructive criticism John! I honestly published this video for myself, hence for community, and I didn't really plan it out a lot, nor script it. I did speak slow with purpose, but maybe too much LOL
1.25x or 1.5x speed is always an option
@@JesusisLORD77778 Thanks I'll try that.
Speed the video up to 1.25 ... Was perfect for me.
Outstanding video!
Did i miss it,? Wh as the mystery ullrt?
I know you were simply stating your opinion, however, I wish folks in the firearms community would stop saying things like, “It’s really all you need as a civilian”. I’m in law enforcement, but will retire in a few years. I think I’ll decide “what I need” based on the context of my life in retirement and the activities undertaken. Those against our right to carry what we choose often say, “blank is all you really need” when discussing the caliber, capacity, configuration etc.
Winchester silvertip works well
Which 22lr round would you carry for self defense and why?
Velocitor, Punch, Stinger. Mini-Mag seems OK too but less reliable.
@@rob6850 ALL great choices Robert!
@@hotrunny Thanks for watching SledgeAZ! The Winchester Varmint HE, which was re-branded for self-defense and called Silvertip are OK. From the videos I've seen of this round, I wouldn't recommend it for self-defense however because it shed's too much weight before penetrating around 12-13 inches. It would work, but for a two-legged criminal you want as much mass and bullet weight penetrating the furthest to actually stop an attack. The 3 shrapnel parts breaking off between 3-4 inches would hurt and cause more bleeding, but it would not stop an attack with a CNS hit. Uhhhhmmmm....
22lr was designed for a rifle
@@JohnDoe-sx2zk This is one of the topics or subjects that has always vexed me.
A 22LR (yes I know LR stands for long rifle but there are 22 shorts, 22longs, and 22long rifles so it is a nomenclature and semantic nightmare)...a 22lr can be fired out of a rifle or a handgun so is it a rifle round or a handgun round? As well as almost every cartridge considered a "pistol" round has been chambered in a rifle. see semantics.
That being said here is a list of pistols (not complete or conclusive) that can fire what are normally considered rifle rounds.
Please tell me about the holster
Thanks
Wheres the next video?
Why not disclose the mystery round ? Is it legal?
Round sure is legal Grumpy! After shooting a lot more of the "mystery round", which is the 42 grain lead round nose Eley Force, they unfortunately designed the case so thin that they expand the very end of them (forming a bulge) and they lock up the cylinder and it gets to a point where you can't pull the trigger. I do NOT recommend them for self defense out of an LCR because of this. Disappointing.
@@breakcontact Thank you for taking the time to reply. Outstanding and informative content!
Thank you !
I don't get caught up in the FBI/government testing. The vitals are not that deep in the chest cavity.
12" in gel doesn't mean 12" inches in the chest cavity.
All this video is missing is Winchester Silvertip
Thanks for watching Ez E! Yeah that would be interesting to test too. From the videos I've seen of this round, I wouldn't recommend it for self defense because it shed's so much weight before penetrating around 12-13 inches. It would work, but for a two legged criminal you want as much mass and bullet weight penetrating the furthest to actually stop an attack. The 3 shrapnel parts breaking off between 3-4 inches would hurt and cause more bleeding, but it would not stop an attack with a CNS hit.
@@breakcontact . A 22lr probably won't lay someone flat anyway(yes I know they can be lethal. It's why I'm even here commenting.) But I've also seen those videos. And the wound channels and fragments. Of the silvertips. Might be a compromise against the mass of final piece. Plus the final piece flattens more. Out of all the 22lr hollow points out of a pistol. Silvertips do what they are supposed too. . I have velocitors and silvertips. . But the velocitors I had to order from cci. Silvertips I found locally. So I kinda like the silvertips so I'm personally carrying them . Couldn't find any punch.(they did well in other videos for penetration). Mabey alternate sivertips and velocitors in my mag. And double tap.
Too bad about the silvertip, but I agree that the 22 version kinda sucks.
The NAME has a stellar history, however.
For years, I used the 130 gr silvertip in .270 for elk. Brought down dozens with one shot each.....but never shot at a moving animal.
Let me give you some of my 60 years of experience. I see everyone looking for that magic bullet that has the most penetration. Why? So you all want the bullet to pass through and maybe hurt or kill an innocent person standing beyond the one you might have to shoot at? What you need to be looking for is one with decent penetration, not too much, but with the largest would cavity. That one will hurt the most and make them bleed more. Stop looking for the one the passes through as you do not want to kill maybe a baby on the mother’s arms standing 50’ behind the person you are trying to control with that shot. Be careful what the wish for.
Also, all handguns are pistols. The revolver was and still is the original pistol. They are both pistols. If you need to define them, three use the proper terms like revolver and semi auto. A pistol is any handgun, and that could even be a T/C Contender single shot pistol.
On first pass, to me, the Mini Mag HP’s had the best and most dramatic wound channel. I have seen and know many who shoot the Mexico made ammo, and I am not at all impressed. You also want to pick the most accurate ammo for that gun. If you cannot hit what your aiming it, no matter how the ammo tests in he, it does you no good what so ever. You may as well be carrying a stick. Just be smart. Find the most accurate and best would channel ammo that works well in YOUR gun.
Good information, sir, but you need to either speak faster or condense the information. Thanks for the video.
video starts at 8:00 you are welcome.
Yeah there is a reason no army or LEO USES 22lr
Why on earth would you carry 22lr when 9mm is readily available? I can't wrap my head around it. Do you want the guy to live? You will be paying his medical bills and for his disabilities if he does regardless of the fact that he was the aggressor.
My home was broken into one night years ago while I was asleep. After I woke up and racked my 870 the three ppl (2 guys 1 girl) leaped through windows to escape. Called 911 and after almost 2 hours of waiting because of a dispute on whether my house in the city or county, (city police hq was 1 mile away.. 🤔 county arrived and took pictures. The deputy explained to me that I was well within my rights to kill them all as long as they were in my house. He added that I needed to make sure that they were dead as it would be less paperwork for him and that I wouldn't get sued if they survived.
I respect that cop. It was years ago but I haven't met many like him since that time.
Your comment is absurd. Based on statistics, the 22lr has more stopping power than all other rounds. 70% stopped with 1 round to the center chest or head. The caliber debate is ridiculous. If you are a police officer or military, by all means go with a 9mm. Most civilians and especially woman do not train enough to master a 9mm. I have seen so many at the range scared shitless and completely unable to handle the gun. So many gun salesman do a great disservice with their idiotic opinion that unless you have a 9mm, you might as well carry a stick. Bullox. One should only carry a gun and caliber that they can shoot fast and accurate. Opinions should be based on real world evidence. ruclips.net/video/nycYxb-zNwc/видео.html
@@csanderson100 you keep your bb gun ok.. but even a sissy can shoot a 9mm without issues. 22lr is for children and killing squirrels and rats.
You want to have your projectile strike the bystander behind your target so you get sued. I prefer to have my projectile stop in the perp so they have to seek some sort of medical help if they should out do me. You need to understand how much pass threw can cost you in the end, everything you own or ever will own in many cases. Disruption is what you really want, the more the better, I carry a 22 magnum varmint round in my 1.75 barreled revolver. Look on line and see what happens when a 22 projectile fragments inside a gel block.
You obviously don't understand the gel test. Just because a round can go 12" or more through gel doesn't mean it will go that far through a human. Your fragmenting varmint round is a bad choice. It won't penetrate to the vitals of a human most likely.
Omg! WAKE UP MAN!! OR PUT DOWN THE WEED PIPE.. JESUS!!
Bad video.
Stinger's are junk.They don't have enough bearings surface to be accurate.Sure, they're fast but you can't hit nothing with him.But of course you gotta know how to shoot first
Excellent video man thank you! Just liven it up a little. Your slow talking almost put me to sleep in the beginning. 😂 Just kidding man.