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thanks for covering indigenous issues. please do it more. im going to suggest another thing to look at. its a connection i dont think ive heard people make. if you prefer to dive into indigenous issues by relating them to media, james cameron made aliens. he made a movie about a colony being attacked by the "natives" and depicted them as these horrible monsters that must be destroyed. flash forward to what reads to me as an apology letter... avatar. hes threatening a series of these films.. who knows if we will ever get to see them, its been so long....... but i can already assume they will dive further into the discussion of indigenous issues. something to look at and maybe you can find more about it. i understood this at a glance being indigenous myself.
another place to go, i haven't heard people discuss is the depiction of indigenous people in final fantasy x. there are these cat humanoids. you have one in your party, but the members of the tribe that become adversaries talk in this baby speak. i assume its because the original Japanese did the stereotypical "natives only speak broken English", and the English voice actors felt the speech resembled baby talk. the Japanese are notoriously racist. part of the story that i find really distasteful is that the main villain commits genocide to the entire race and its dealt with as a passing moment. barely even recognized. i give the story credit because its villain represents Christianity and all the destruction it has caused, but they honestly foot note the genocide of indigenous people.
Injun reel is a good docu by a native docu maker, even pretty funny. Good sense of sarcasm its informative. Like the relevance of the chief in who flew over the cockoosnest (even more regarding real life, stuff there.). And when the moviemaker didnt bother to learned tribes language and they smuggled some glibberish officially in the movie because no one cared. And the evolution regarding the wise chief to subversions of it and them. Good docu, informative and funny
I've never gotten over the fact that she literally just used a real tribe that actually exists. It just ads insult to injury and really does relegate these human beings into props.
It gets so much worse. The Quileute Nation didn't receive a cent of the actual earnings from Twilight's movies (or books). Their town is in danger due to rising sea levels. A new High School was built on higher ground, as well as a new center for the tribal elders, after the Obama administration awarded the Quileute more land, but the tribe can't afford to build new houses on their land so they can actually move the community to that land. The franchise made billions, and the people who suffered exploitation, cultural violation, invasion, and had to watch a White man depict and speak for a stereotyped version of their people and history, can't even afford to move their community to safety (which they only have to do in the first place because White people decided to destroy the environment for profit). One tsunami, and their community is gone. Unconscionable is an understatement.
The biggest mask off during the movie was how Bella treated Jacob and Edward differently after finding out about their true selves. Bella figuring out Edward was a vampire she never said ew gross your a vampire. But when Jacob had went through his wolf puberty and Bella found out about the pack she asked him why he didn’t he just not be a wolf even though there was nothing he could do because it was genetic. Then she continually criticized him and the pack and gave them more crap for something they couldn’t control versus the fact that Carlisle literally was going around turning people into vampires. It’s was weird but Movie Budz did some good reviews and brought this stuff up.
The scene that always stood out to me was in Breaking Dawn pt 2, when Bella threw Jacob out of the house after finding out that he imprinted on her daughter. While the imprinting was problematic, she beats up Jacob to the delight of Edward. He was even proud of her "strength," and the rest of the Cullens just sat by and watched her beat up Jacob and then beat up Seth, another indigenous character. I just thought it was an interesting juxtaposition to see a family of white vampires just stand by and watch one of their own beat up indigenous werewolves, when those werewolves exist only as a reaction to white vampire colonizers killing tribe members back in the 1800s.
@Jihad Express Everything not being about ethnicity doesn't mean there are absolutely no things based on ethnicity, right? Just because not everything is about ethnicity doesn't really negate the point I made.
Yeah I hated that Bella simped so hard for the vampires that she didn't mind them killing people, while she immediately assumed Jacob was a monster when she found out he's a shapeshifter even though the pack protects people instead of killing them. Her saying "well can't you just find a way to just... stop? I mean, it's wrong" immediately after Jacob confirms he's a werewolf is yikes af, especially compared to her not giving a damn about Edward being a vampire who has killed people. With it comes the stereotyping of the werewolves as more savage and less intelligent than the vampires in the books if I'm not mistaken.
Oh! This is actually something I know quite a lot about, and have been very involved with through the years! The Quileute tribe really got the short end of the stick here, and they're still trying to move to higher land; so if anyone still has some money to spare, please think about donating to them! I like how people try to be more conscious about the racism within the series during the more recent Twilight renaissance, but I honestly wish they would just... find another vampire / werewolf - oriented saga to be obsessed with instead of something as harmful as this one.
As an indigenous/native american woman who grew up with the Twilight franchise being as popular as it is, I often overlooked many aspects of the problematic portrayal of Native Americans in this series for the fact that it gives us representation. I don't know many good, relatively speaking, portrayals of Natives in media and the joy of feeling like you're heard and not forgotten, you see yourself being shown on screen, is something I've always craved. As I grew older I looked more into it and saw just how white washed this whole series is, which was a huge disappointment to me and one less thing to see as good. And that's the thing! I shouldn't have to pick from a handful of movies and television series that just give a crumb of Indigenous representation, and many aren't even good representation. People want to sweep Natives under a rug and not talk about what this country has done to our people, it's best not to acknowledge the murder of millions, the stolen land, the epidemic of missing and murdered indigenous women. I'm grateful that some good representation is out there but I don't want my own children to have to deal with the trauma that so many generations of indigenous people face when we just want to be heard. We need to talk about the portrayal of Natives in media and to hire more indigenous actors to play roles that rightfully belong to them. I've heard of many indigenous roles in media that have been given to someone as native passing, just another person with brown skin as though there is not thousands of indigenous actors. It's upsetting that with all that us indigenous people have gone through, we still can't even get good representation in media.
Remember when Jacob imprints on a newborn baby which essentially ties him and her together in the future for marriage? Yeah that's some weird ass groomer shit
yeah fans tried to justify it by saying that imprinting is not necessarily a romantic thing, that it's basically the assignment of one's own personal bodyguard and lifelong companion, even though it's stated that they WILL get it on after Renesmee turns 18, when Jacob is like 40. Still sounds like problematic groomer shit to me
I remembered what a streamer (I think her name was Renee) had said, "No one hates Twilight more than Robert Pattison and Kristen Stewart." I was dying when she said that. To me, you can tell which movies Stewart was forced to be in (Thanks to her father) and ones she picked herself; her acting shines more in the ones she chooses. Robert, you can just tell lol I bet he was like my sister with her job, "For the money, for the fu**ing money, and exposure."
Well hopefully they can go on to have fulfilling acting careers after and personally put the series behind them. I can't imagine high school musical was anyone's proudest acting gig, but Zac Efron has taken that fame and gon on to do some decent roles since.
@@sassyviking6003 I know Robert Pattinson in particular has basically used his Twilight money to fund indies and most of the movies he's starred in have had a lot of acclaim. I'm not a big movie buff but the guy is apparently an incredible actor.
And that's not getting into the sexual/gender implications of the series (especially when Meyer uses these books to plug her Mormonist views, honestly I'd rather see a version of this as interpreted by Arnold Cunningham from 'Book of Mormon'). Is it any wonder Pattinson and Stewart wanted to get as far away from this series as possible after 2012?
The best thing about Twilight was the New Moon soundtrack introduced me to a couple of dirty bangers - Hearing Damage by Thom Yorke and Roslyn by Bon Iver
This trope is cringe. It’s also sometimes hard to tell if the trope is being used or not- game of thrones was accused of this, despite the fact that in the books, Slavers Bay traded and engaged in slavery of all peoples…but in the show, they filmed places like Marreen in Morocco, so many of the extras appeared to be…well, Moroccan, because it was cheaper to pay $250 a day to some extras rather than fly in people of other races just to pay them the same rate. Idk, I can see how sometimes it’s not white savior but it really looks like it and on the flip side I see it’s a very prevalent trope. I feel like it could be something like the Mary Sue trope, where neckbeards on the internet accuse many female characters of being Mary Sues when in reality, despite being a common trope, many of the characters they cite are actually just characters they dislike.
Dance Me Outside (1994) has a contemporary Indigenous setting and plot and character, though the writer was not Indigenous himself they are the protagonists and it subverts a lot of stereotypes, deals with real issues, etc.
The problem is it's really hard to both make the racism seem realistic and not make it seem logical (because racism isn't logical) without making the audience of white people (I say this as a white people) uncomfortable. Not to mention our concepts of monsters and racist charicatures are deeply intertwined. Also they need to stop making the group figthing againsts the racism being weaponized against them secretly supremacists (*cough* rwby *cough*).
I really appreciate you highlighting this, especially because of a recent stream of apologia toward the author as though the Mormon cult (the clear lens of the story) itself hadn't participated in indigenous genocide, slavery, and kidnapping.
I'm not going to hold that against her personally. The logic doesn't follow that if your ancestors persecuted a group of people. you're going to re-imagine them as werewolves for that very reason.
I've read quite a bit about the long and complicated history between European Americans and Native Americans, and my guess is that the white psychology when it's come to dealing with Natives has been just as complex. Whereas African Americans have been feared as disgruntled ex-slaves and Asian Americans have been hated as alien rivals, the "mainstream" American attitude toward Natives has been a very neurotic combination of pity, guilt, envy, and resentment. I think the main reason why Western stories depicted Indians as hostile is because whites felt remorseful about their ultimate fate, but at the same time wanted themselves to be the "true" Americans. So they resolved this inner conflict by adopting an attitude of "Oh, well, too bad. They had it coming because THEY were the oppressive ones. If they had only been a little more welcoming, we could have treated them better." It reminds me a bit of the case of the abusive boyfriend with anger management issues: "Why do you have to be so mean? Why do you have to force me to hit you?" It's easy to vilify someone when you feel your worldview is threatened by their very existence.
About the last point, i was kind of surprised in a good way by the depiction of native americans in red dead redemption 2, specially considering the first one, and well, basically gta and it's portrayal of basically any imaginable sterotype
Praise the lord you're bringing this up! I mean finally, it's really disgusting to see long time twilight fangirls bringing up the twilight saga through social media, no offense to anyone who's a fan of kpop but those twi-hard fans are just like the kpop stans but 10 times worse.
@@unixmoon4842 so do I, I mean I'm a fan of Kpop but I would never stalk, bully or harass an Kpop idol like they way these stans does it. To me it's very scary. 😨
Someone finally mentioned the crazy twilight stans...I brought up an observation to my sister about how the fans of twilight are very... unhealthy. Like a majority of these girls/women would obsess over Robert and Kristen being together so when they broke up and went separate ways, some of them couldn't handle it. Like Robert's relationship with FKA Twigs received negative reactions. They couldn't separate fact from fiction and a part of it to me felt like racism played a role. It was alarming to see.
Culture appropriation at its finest. I am not Quileute, I am Navajo but the worst, the WORST part about this was never asking permission and compensating this tribe even after the movements of how many natives are now speaking up about huge issues. Culture appropriation is but a mere pebble in the ocean compared to issues as big as MMIW, landback and every child matters that indigenous people as a whole face in it’s entirety. The least the franchise can do is address and compensate a fraction of the multi millions this harmful series has made to the actual tribe. But I know that will never happen, and if anyone decided to fight this, they would either get sued or be completely blown out of the water by the fans that could not let this fandom go for what is due and right of the indigenous people of this tribe. A tale as old as time.
In reference to the Indigenous representation bit of your video, growing up Native in Canada in the 2000s my favourite movie was spirit stallion of the cimaron, the movie is mostly about horses but the *brief* moments that positively depicted tribal life really impacted me. this teeny little sliver of representation really gave me a lot of confidence growing up… ANDTHE MOVIE IS ABOUT HORSES.
Bruh I will never forget that part in the Breaking Dawn When bella did not want Reneesme to play with the Amazon warriors because thier dark skin and tall legs intimidated her. I was like wtf?
@@densum8184 The fact that Stephanie Meyer Choose to make indigenous people the more savage(barbaric) type of series just comes off as Western medias idea of what tribes should look like.
@@KariMaxsoulreapergoddess in the case of the Amazon coven depict twilight they are. They are hugely aggressive to both human and vampire. I think you missed. Look Stephanie is a shit writer and they are may things in twilight that are problematic to say the least.
@@densum8184 So you agree her depictions of native Americans as violent and barbaric was at least problematic? You already have Western Settlers often depicting Natives as Barbaric Cannibalistic savages which justified their destruction of their families and communities. But then you have some white lady who JUST relys on Stereotypes that natives are poor, misogynistic (that damn imprinting madness), mystic or otherworldly, barbaric, and blood thirsty savages.
The Twilight's Werewolves are also sexist. I don't get it, there are female wolves in real life. Why it is surprising for a lady to become a werewolve and somehow is the only female werewolf in history
That is problematic. But it's nothing compared to how the native american character in Suicide Squad was framed. He's the only one without a goofy splash scene intro, and then he's the first to die, and NOBODY bats an eye. They just kinda shrug like a balloon had popped, not a human being dying.
The thing about 'but fiction doesn't affect reality' is that it's down to whether you actually have a reality for comparison. Like there's a reason many people don't think of Iran in terms of having greenery, there's a reason people vastly overpredict the nastiness of humans in disaster situations, there's a reason we can glean so much about a culture's values and material conditions from its myths and why the Brothers Grimm really rose to prominence during a formulation of a unified German identity in the decades following the aftermath of Napoleonic occupation among other phenomena. At the very least, media (but particularly just actual research) has the power to break people out of a given cultural narrative.
Yes. I think you should be allowed to like anything - no matter how sleazy it might be - as long as it's fictional and as long as you don't take it seriously. People can enjoy Gothic/S&M content without wanting to torture people in real life, just as they can enjoy revenge fantasies while admitting that actual violent criminals are entitled to due process.
20:52 You might be interested in the upcoming series “Dark Winds”. Although based on a book by a white author, the show will center Native American characters and feature indigenous talent in front of and behind the camera, and is produced with the blessing and support of the Navajo nation.
Hey for anyone interested on Native Americans in film and the history of that, I recommend the documentary “Reel Injun” it’s made by Natives and it just delves into how Natives have been depicted in film since its invention.
Great video, it’s pretty typical of a suburban Mormon author to utilize these stereotypes. Especially discouraging in a blockbuster geared so much to younger audiences. That said I suggest the movie Wind River. It’s sort of murder mystery that takes place on a reservation in Wyoming. There are still white protagonists but the majority of the actors are actually Native American and the way that white supremacy and authority play into the plot is really well done
yeah this aspect of the books and films have always been sh1tty and just problematic (though the books and films aren't great) whether intentionally or not meyers mormon faith has probaly influenced her idea of indigineous americans negatively.
This is why i love Last Samurai because it shows a guy who is literally haunted by the past when he killed a native tribe and was forced to kill them for no real reason
Waititis new movie is appearently good, and he is maori with a history of social critical movies. Hell he brought the theme of colonsatiation in the Thor franchize of all things. He is good atbeing social critical. And he has an indeginous movie now
@@maxgrozema1093 I am not sure about the movie, but he does have a show out on Netflix called Reservation Dogs. I do recommend watching all his movies though as well
Just commenting for algo and letting you know that your output is awesome. I can only imagine the amount of time it takes to choose and research topics. We see you
I’ve been to Forks. Almost every restaurant in the area has at least 2 Twilight-themed dishes. One restaurant had an entire “Twilight” section with radically different decor. Like, a log cabin where it abruptly becomes a teenage girl’s bedroom. It’s still a beautiful area to visit if you ignore the Twilight stuff.
An idea for you to consider: you should make a video on how the movie 300 portrayed spartans and Persians and it being anti-persian propaganda, theres a video on youtube which explains how the persians contributed to the west and were actually the human rights advocates in comparison to the eugenic society of the spartans. They also portray the persians as having a much darker complexion than the greeks who all look like nordic men, in reality greeks and persians in historical contexts look almost identical. Another racist touch
As a person of Indigenous heritage (not Quilieute), my reaction to Twilight series is quite mixed. On the one hand, I find the series oddly compelling. I appreciate your take on why Native talents participate in such projects. Representation that strays from savage or noble tropes is welcome. Of course this series is hugely problematic as well, not the least reason being that it does not successfully avoid such stereotyping. And why in the world did they cast some actual Natives for some roles but not for the lead Native character of Jacob!? What, could they not find one ONE suitable hot Native actor for the role? Please! More like they could not be bothered. How insulting. It also seems the films used a mix of Native and non-Native actors, ending up with an array of vaguely brown cast for those roles, instead of truly representing. The acting is decent in parts and definitely cringey in other parts and I was happy to see actors like Graham Greene in it, but ofc kill off that character eh? Ugh. Plus that doesn't even address using generic Native actors versus specifically Quiileute descendants. Did they even bother trying to recruit a genuine cast or consult with tribal council for anything or nah? I confess to finding the books' writing unwieldy, immature, or otherwise painful in many spots, fairly often experiencing secondhand embarrassment while reading. Still the plot is mostly compelling (if sometimes horrifying) even if the characterization leaves something to be desired, and I usually found it hard to put the books down. Overall, it's disappointing because this series could have been so much better and fixed in several ways if the author had cared to do so. Finally, I can't even with the twist in book 4 with Jacob and Bella's daughter.... ughhhhh. That pretty well ruined it for me. xo
Appart from the lack of pyramide, everything is great in my opinion. More seriously I wasn't interested in the Twilight series when it came out though I'm a long time Werewolf/ Vampire/ Changeling pen and paper RPG player and fan. And an Anne Rice reader I have to say. Never read the book I have to admit. And I can tell you I hate those movies approach. Simplistic, racist and extremely sexist. Exactly the opposite of what White Wolf Publishing managed to do with their amazing roleplaying game and the liberty it offered. Robert Pattison deserved way better as "The lighthouse" show us for example. Congratz for the 40k
I could never get anyone to play the white wolf games with me. It's always D&D. I only have a shadowrun group to branch out because I made a group in college and we managed to stick together long after. I always wanted to play changeling though. Vampires and werewolves are cool, but the true and properly frightening fae have always been my favorite type of fantastical creature.
blood quantum is a great horror movie that has an indigenous director and actors in the main cast. it's set in canada and focuses on a first nations reservation during a zombie apocalypse. great gore and acting
I am a full blood Native American teenager, natives observed the nature around them and adapted their everyday lifestyle. For example, Buffalo don’t fear wolves as much as they do humans, as a Buffalo is easily bigger than your average wolf; so, natives wore wolf pelts to easily sneak up on Buffalo, and then shoot them or use spears, we didn’t think we became the animal, it’s more utility than spiritual, however over the course of hundreds of years natives have adapted this way of observatory life into their culture and religions. Edit* btw The Revenant is my favorite depiction of native Americans in any movie ever
I never really realized any of this in Twilight I was too focus on how abusive the relationships were and how bad the writing was. LoL 😂😆 I love this take on this series. Lmfao
Blood Meridian by Cormack McCarthy is a really good book about scalp hunters on the Mexico/US border in the 1850’s. It’s loosely based on historical events and doesn’t shy away from the extreme violence that was used against Native Americans.
the absolute disregard & disrespect of vampire folklore was nightmarish enough while I’m saddened that actual First Nations we’re also completely sharted on, the author was always a creepy loser so I’m not surprised
Noice vid. Are you going to respond to TJ Kirk’s response stream? He seems pretty heated that you took an ableist stance against his having face blindness (Prosopagnosia).
It REALLY bugs me when people think misogyny is the ONLY reason why people hate this disgusting series when it is ssssooooo much worse than that dear god...and to think so many of these books and movies were made
I like to consider myself more continuous about issues with depictions of Native American in media, I’ve always felt a big connection with that part of my family heritage. I completely missed this issue with the twilight movies, as well as The Last of the Mohicans. Although I was much younger when I saw the later with my grandparents.
Last of Mohicans is not twilight with mentioning that my point with that and the Revenant is more about Native stories being told by the perspective of a white man ‘gone native’ rather than a native character
@@TheKavernacle I didn’t mean to compare them as the same, only that in both cases that I missed the problematic issues with how they depicted Native Americans.
Good lord, how can anyone be as culturally unqware as this. Clearly I never read any kf the books or watched any of the movies, not my demographic, so I had no idea. What we have done, and as uncomfortqble as it is to hear, are still doing, to the native peoples is unconscionable. So to make a mokery of them, use them as props, and continue to exploit them and what little land we have yet to steal from them despicable.
From what I'm gathering from the analysis of this video, the issue at hand is that Stephenie Meyer's depiction of the Quileute tribe as werewolves who have trouble controlling their anger or acting animalistic plays on stereotypes about Native Americans being savages by European colonizers. I don't believe Stephenie intended to be malicious with her representation of the Quileute tribe or Native Americans, having found a place (Forks, Washington) that she liked for the setting of her novel and finding the tribe nearby as a potential part of her fictional story. I don't know if she may have internal biases she didn't recognize that played out into how the story was formulated but I hope that, with analysis like these, we can all learn to be more conscious about how we represent our stories in the future in an effort to respect others and their cultures. I don't condone the perpetuation of these stereotypes you've highlighted in your video and agree with you that they do more harm and only reinforce stereotypes which we as a society need to recognize and stop before they get worse. I am also learning to recognize internal biases I have that I didn't know were causing harm until someone confronted me on it and gave me the feedback I needed to stop and do better.
Interesting just came across this video today. Personally as a huge Twilight fan like harry potter and lord of the rings and star wars that twilight isn’t racist. But I will say that instead of shapeshifting into wolves why not bears and mountain lions? Alice actually calls Jacob a dog in(soon as you let the dog out)new moon which could be sorta racist but he does turn into a wolf which wolves and bears and mountain lions are apart of Native American lore in the tribes in the U.S.A. and Canada. Plus they aren’t even werewolves in the twilight universe they are shapeshifters that turn into wolves which I didn’t realize until rereading breaking dawn a second time(like in harry potter sirius shifts into wolf and lupin transforms into a werewolf)In Latin America the Jaguar 🐆 is idolized and in Sub-Saharan Africa the Lion 🦁is idolized and in Asia the Tiger 🐅is idolized by the tribal peoples not dogs like hyenas and wolves. In Asia the Tiger is King and considered Royalty in China and India and not wolves or dogs. It just would of been better if maybe they were mountain lions aka cougars or bears than a dog aka a wolf.
Twilight would’ve benefited with some Native American vampires to balance out the ethnic diversity which was clearly lacking when it came to the bloodsucking demographic.
The vampires aren't vampire's, their fá from Irish folklore, basically elves before they became the graceful kind people think they are. And the werewolves are just shape shifters, they chose a wolf form which would make them Skinwalkers per say.
Good thing that I like the Ip Man and Rouronin Kenshin movies, Japanese and Chinese movies told by their natives, and even then, they not speak well of westerns, specially the U. S. and the British, hell, the whole theme of Rouronin Kenshin, that is like Gintama with less humour, is that what if the Meiji era wasn't really a good thing, sure it bring peace, there were no more warrior state/clans, but cost a lot of bloodshed and losing part of their autonomy, even Shishio one of the antagonist quote Arthur Perry that open the Japanese trade route at the point of his cannons.
The fact that you use the ultra-cringey speech by white man Marlon Brando using Sacheen Littlefeather (who was raised in a white household and has as much Native Heritage as me myself, which is to say pretty damn white), a woman who has been singled out many times with other bad faith actors such as Iron Eyes Cody as an example of tokenism and "noble savage" stereotyping while ignoring the very real struggles that indigenous populations go through with systemic poverty and racism through the reservation system, shows that Kavernacle has no clue what he is talking about and probably hasn't spoken with many Indigenous activists. Kav usually does really good videos, but this is a case where he is far out of his element. If he really cared about the American Indigenous community and how media portrays them he could instead be talking about how the media under-reports missing and murdered indigenous women, how the discovery of a mass grave at a residential school for the reeducation and Westernization of indigenous children in Kelowna sparked massive outrage and protests against the Canadian government including the tearing down of statues and emblems of the government including in my current hometown of Victoria over this very summer. Instead he makes a clickbait video about Twilight which hasn't been relevant in years and uses 40 year old publicity stunts by famous white people who never faced systemic racism and calls it 'content'. He usually makes good videos, but this one is wall to wall with bad takes- orientalism is much more his milieu. The fact that the indigenous community in North America gets both misrepresented and underrepresented so often and 'Leftists' pay lip service as though racism against native populations is no longer a thing is sadly turning a disenfranchised minority group more into the hands of the alt-right who see them as a tool for the furtherment of their very real racist ideologies.
It would have been so easy to create a fictional civilization, rather than appropriate an extant culture and plaster your shallow fantasy escapist tropes over them. I'm writing my own werewolf novels, and their civilization is entirely fictional. The only real world cultures I borrow from are my own, as an Asian American, who is also queer and neurodivergent. It's not cultural appropriation if you base it on your own traditions and lived experiences.
Honestly I really enjoyed the modern western of the ballad of Buster scruggs and other tales, but the depiction black and white depiction of native people kinda left a bad taste in my mouth.
@@emptyblank099a I'm aware, it being more of a modern take on a western the depection of natives in the story, justified the prejudice of the characters, by pretty much having the only depiction of them people out for blood first and foremost. Being a somewhat more modern take on the western it kinda irks me as it could have been handled with more care, having the retrospect of the harm such media has had in the past. I think it's possible to pay homage to a genre without repeating it's more problematic tendencies.
I wish we would get a whole saga inside the Twilight universe just centering the queleute and written by native's themselves. Stephenie is just not qualified to write anything else than angsty mormon teenage romance but I feel like the twilight series set off some potential for a nice fantasy world, where people with mire diverse Backgrounds should have been allowed to work with stephenie's ground Material from there on. Obviously: more native representation in general in all media forms and politics. Just a thought about how this series could have been saved.
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thanks for covering indigenous issues. please do it more. im going to suggest another thing to look at. its a connection i dont think ive heard people make. if you prefer to dive into indigenous issues by relating them to media, james cameron made aliens. he made a movie about a colony being attacked by the "natives" and depicted them as these horrible monsters that must be destroyed. flash forward to what reads to me as an apology letter... avatar. hes threatening a series of these films.. who knows if we will ever get to see them, its been so long....... but i can already assume they will dive further into the discussion of indigenous issues. something to look at and maybe you can find more about it. i understood this at a glance being indigenous myself.
another place to go, i haven't heard people discuss is the depiction of indigenous people in final fantasy x. there are these cat humanoids. you have one in your party, but the members of the tribe that become adversaries talk in this baby speak. i assume its because the original Japanese did the stereotypical "natives only speak broken English", and the English voice actors felt the speech resembled baby talk. the Japanese are notoriously racist. part of the story that i find really distasteful is that the main villain commits genocide to the entire race and its dealt with as a passing moment. barely even recognized. i give the story credit because its villain represents Christianity and all the destruction it has caused, but they honestly foot note the genocide of indigenous people.
Injun reel is a good docu by a native docu maker, even pretty funny. Good sense of sarcasm its informative. Like the relevance of the chief in who flew over the cockoosnest (even more regarding real life, stuff there.). And when the moviemaker didnt bother to learned tribes language and they smuggled some glibberish officially in the movie because no one cared. And the evolution regarding the wise chief to subversions of it and them.
Good docu, informative and funny
@@becky7603 Attention they got and tourism for them is the only good thing.
I thought the Story of a 90 year old vampire hitting on a teenage girl was problematic, but the racism is too.
But it's kool cus he looks like her age lol.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 'Hey, that's not a little girl, that's a thousand year old dragon in the shape of a little girl!'
@Why SO Serious Don't forget the fact that it portrays pedophilia as a good thing.
Go watch cinematherapy video on the relationship it get worst
I've never gotten over the fact that she literally just used a real tribe that actually exists. It just ads insult to injury and really does relegate these human beings into props.
Research isn't really her strong point she was even made mistakes 🤣😆 with the vampire lore and it wasn't consistent.
It gets so much worse. The Quileute Nation didn't receive a cent of the actual earnings from Twilight's movies (or books).
Their town is in danger due to rising sea levels. A new High School was built on higher ground, as well as a new center for the tribal elders, after the Obama administration awarded the Quileute more land,
but the tribe can't afford to build new houses on their land so they can actually move the community to that land.
The franchise made billions, and the people who suffered exploitation, cultural violation, invasion, and had to watch a White man depict and speak for a stereotyped version of their people and history,
can't even afford to move their community to safety (which they only have to do in the first place because White people decided to destroy the environment for profit).
One tsunami, and their community is gone. Unconscionable is an understatement.
The biggest mask off during the movie was how Bella treated Jacob and Edward differently after finding out about their true selves. Bella figuring out Edward was a vampire she never said ew gross your a vampire. But when Jacob had went through his wolf puberty and Bella found out about the pack she asked him why he didn’t he just not be a wolf even though there was nothing he could do because it was genetic. Then she continually criticized him and the pack and gave them more crap for something they couldn’t control versus the fact that Carlisle literally was going around turning people into vampires. It’s was weird but Movie Budz did some good reviews and brought this stuff up.
The scene that always stood out to me was in Breaking Dawn pt 2, when Bella threw Jacob out of the house after finding out that he imprinted on her daughter. While the imprinting was problematic, she beats up Jacob to the delight of Edward. He was even proud of her "strength," and the rest of the Cullens just sat by and watched her beat up Jacob and then beat up Seth, another indigenous character. I just thought it was an interesting juxtaposition to see a family of white vampires just stand by and watch one of their own beat up indigenous werewolves, when those werewolves exist only as a reaction to white vampire colonizers killing tribe members back in the 1800s.
@Jihad Express Everything not being about ethnicity doesn't mean there are absolutely no things based on ethnicity, right? Just because not everything is about ethnicity doesn't really negate the point I made.
Yeah I hated that Bella simped so hard for the vampires that she didn't mind them killing people, while she immediately assumed Jacob was a monster when she found out he's a shapeshifter even though the pack protects people instead of killing them.
Her saying "well can't you just find a way to just... stop? I mean, it's wrong" immediately after Jacob confirms he's a werewolf is yikes af, especially compared to her not giving a damn about Edward being a vampire who has killed people.
With it comes the stereotyping of the werewolves as more savage and less intelligent than the vampires in the books if I'm not mistaken.
@@biggtk also imprinting is involuntary the pack also have no choice in that
Well at that point she thought Jacob was murdering people in her town she didn't realise it was actually leraunt.
Oh! This is actually something I know quite a lot about, and have been very involved with through the years! The Quileute tribe really got the short end of the stick here, and they're still trying to move to higher land; so if anyone still has some money to spare, please think about donating to them!
I like how people try to be more conscious about the racism within the series during the more recent Twilight renaissance, but I honestly wish they would just... find another vampire / werewolf - oriented saga to be obsessed with instead of something as harmful as this one.
As an indigenous/native american woman who grew up with the Twilight franchise being as popular as it is, I often overlooked many aspects of the problematic portrayal of Native Americans in this series for the fact that it gives us representation. I don't know many good, relatively speaking, portrayals of Natives in media and the joy of feeling like you're heard and not forgotten, you see yourself being shown on screen, is something I've always craved. As I grew older I looked more into it and saw just how white washed this whole series is, which was a huge disappointment to me and one less thing to see as good. And that's the thing! I shouldn't have to pick from a handful of movies and television series that just give a crumb of Indigenous representation, and many aren't even good representation. People want to sweep Natives under a rug and not talk about what this country has done to our people, it's best not to acknowledge the murder of millions, the stolen land, the epidemic of missing and murdered indigenous women. I'm grateful that some good representation is out there but I don't want my own children to have to deal with the trauma that so many generations of indigenous people face when we just want to be heard. We need to talk about the portrayal of Natives in media and to hire more indigenous actors to play roles that rightfully belong to them. I've heard of many indigenous roles in media that have been given to someone as native passing, just another person with brown skin as though there is not thousands of indigenous actors. It's upsetting that with all that us indigenous people have gone through, we still can't even get good representation in media.
Remember when Jacob imprints on a newborn baby which essentially ties him and her together in the future for marriage? Yeah that's some weird ass groomer shit
Poor new moon jacob, didnt stand a chance to character assasination.
Absolutely! When I saw this, I was like bro wtf????
the super mormon grooming stuff pulls through strong
yeah fans tried to justify it by saying that imprinting is not necessarily a romantic thing, that it's basically the assignment of one's own personal bodyguard and lifelong companion, even though it's stated that they WILL get it on after Renesmee turns 18, when Jacob is like 40. Still sounds like problematic groomer shit to me
@@Ned-nw6ge 18 is a legal adult..
This gets extra icky when you think about how the LDS church has treated and portrayed indigenous people in scriptural doctrine 👀
Ding ding ding ding
What sucks is she used the legit mythical history of these people and twisted it to fit her fantasy world.
Poor Robert pattison, he was literally unhappy playing edward and he hated the franchise more than anybody
I remembered what a streamer (I think her name was Renee) had said, "No one hates Twilight more than Robert Pattison and Kristen Stewart." I was dying when she said that. To me, you can tell which movies Stewart was forced to be in (Thanks to her father) and ones she picked herself; her acting shines more in the ones she chooses. Robert, you can just tell lol I bet he was like my sister with her job, "For the money, for the fu**ing money, and exposure."
Well he is now Batman
Well hopefully they can go on to have fulfilling acting careers after and personally put the series behind them. I can't imagine high school musical was anyone's proudest acting gig, but Zac Efron has taken that fame and gon on to do some decent roles since.
@@sassyviking6003 I know Robert Pattinson in particular has basically used his Twilight money to fund indies and most of the movies he's starred in have had a lot of acclaim. I'm not a big movie buff but the guy is apparently an incredible actor.
It was entertaining watching his interview on Twilight.
And that's not getting into the sexual/gender implications of the series (especially when Meyer uses these books to plug her Mormonist views, honestly I'd rather see a version of this as interpreted by Arnold Cunningham from 'Book of Mormon'). Is it any wonder Pattinson and Stewart wanted to get as far away from this series as possible after 2012?
The best thing about Twilight was the New Moon soundtrack introduced me to a couple of dirty bangers - Hearing Damage by Thom Yorke and Roslyn by Bon Iver
Can you do a video about the abuse that manga artist suffers from the companies?
Bad movies often have good soundtracks. Don't dismiss the music out of hand!
Probably not
@@TheKavernacle sad
I never cared for Twilight either, but indeed, the soundtrack is genuinely quite good.
I think you should follow up this video with exploring the "White Savior" trope in film.
yes
F*ck yeah.
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Try this video by F.D. Signifier. He is a black sociologist and very good at dissecting these types of tropes
The “noble savage,” is another trope that is worth looking into.
This trope is cringe.
It’s also sometimes hard to tell if the trope is being used or not- game of thrones was accused of this, despite the fact that in the books, Slavers Bay traded and engaged in slavery of all peoples…but in the show, they filmed places like Marreen in Morocco, so many of the extras appeared to be…well, Moroccan, because it was cheaper to pay $250 a day to some extras rather than fly in people of other races just to pay them the same rate.
Idk, I can see how sometimes it’s not white savior but it really looks like it and on the flip side I see it’s a very prevalent trope.
I feel like it could be something like the Mary Sue trope, where neckbeards on the internet accuse many female characters of being Mary Sues when in reality, despite being a common trope, many of the characters they cite are actually just characters they dislike.
Dance Me Outside (1994) has a contemporary Indigenous setting and plot and character, though the writer was not Indigenous himself they are the protagonists and it subverts a lot of stereotypes, deals with real issues, etc.
Can you touch on how high fantasy is just so allergic to black people plus the general horrible handling of racism as a subject
The problem is it's really hard to both make the racism seem realistic and not make it seem logical (because racism isn't logical) without making the audience of white people (I say this as a white people) uncomfortable.
Not to mention our concepts of monsters and racist charicatures are deeply intertwined.
Also they need to stop making the group figthing againsts the racism being weaponized against them secretly supremacists (*cough* rwby *cough*).
yup
@@an8strengthkobold360 rebh?
Is there how alt rightrrs try to portrait tolkienas rassist, he was pretty progressive especially for a white dude his time in brittain.
@@marocat4749 One more similarity between the alt-right and alt-left.
The not-werewolves also share dreams, literallya hivemind to be even more dehumanizing.
I really appreciate you highlighting this, especially because of a recent stream of apologia toward the author as though the Mormon cult (the clear lens of the story) itself hadn't participated in indigenous genocide, slavery, and kidnapping.
Joseph smiths real life history would make a hell of a crime story.
I'm not going to hold that against her personally. The logic doesn't follow that if your ancestors persecuted a group of people. you're going to re-imagine them as werewolves for that very reason.
I am so proud that I've never watched none of the Twilight franchise or it's idiotic cousin the 50 Shades of Grey trilogy.
I watched the last 2_as a joke. I used it to pick up gothic women
You can easily make a series as to why there are so many things wrong with the Twilight series i.e. sexism, racism, pedophilia etc.
I've read quite a bit about the long and complicated history between European Americans and Native Americans, and my guess is that the white psychology when it's come to dealing with Natives has been just as complex. Whereas African Americans have been feared as disgruntled ex-slaves and Asian Americans have been hated as alien rivals, the "mainstream" American attitude toward Natives has been a very neurotic combination of pity, guilt, envy, and resentment. I think the main reason why Western stories depicted Indians as hostile is because whites felt remorseful about their ultimate fate, but at the same time wanted themselves to be the "true" Americans. So they resolved this inner conflict by adopting an attitude of "Oh, well, too bad. They had it coming because THEY were the oppressive ones. If they had only been a little more welcoming, we could have treated them better." It reminds me a bit of the case of the abusive boyfriend with anger management issues: "Why do you have to be so mean? Why do you have to force me to hit you?" It's easy to vilify someone when you feel your worldview is threatened by their very existence.
About the last point, i was kind of surprised in a good way by the depiction of native americans in red dead redemption 2, specially considering the first one, and well, basically gta and it's portrayal of basically any imaginable sterotype
Praise the lord you're bringing this up! I mean finally, it's really disgusting to see long time twilight fangirls bringing up the twilight saga through social media, no offense to anyone who's a fan of kpop but those twi-hard fans are just like the kpop stans but 10 times worse.
I have my own problems w all of kpop and the fan bases, but i fear the stans too much
@@unixmoon4842 so do I, I mean I'm a fan of Kpop but I would never stalk, bully or harass an Kpop idol like they way these stans does it. To me it's very scary. 😨
Someone finally mentioned the crazy twilight stans...I brought up an observation to my sister about how the fans of twilight are very... unhealthy. Like a majority of these girls/women would obsess over Robert and Kristen being together so when they broke up and went separate ways, some of them couldn't handle it. Like Robert's relationship with FKA Twigs received negative reactions. They couldn't separate fact from fiction and a part of it to me felt like racism played a role. It was alarming to see.
@@acemoto6232 good lord....
Culture appropriation at its finest. I am not Quileute, I am Navajo but the worst, the WORST part about this was never asking permission and compensating this tribe even after the movements of how many natives are now speaking up about huge issues. Culture appropriation
is but a mere pebble in the ocean compared to issues as big as MMIW, landback and every child matters that indigenous people as a whole face in it’s entirety. The least the franchise can do is address and compensate a fraction of the multi millions this harmful series has made to the actual tribe. But I know that will never happen, and if anyone decided to fight this, they would either get sued or be completely blown out of the water by the fans that could not let this fandom go for what is due and right of the indigenous people of this tribe. A tale as old as time.
Thank you for bringing light to this subject 🧡✊🏽🪶
In reference to the Indigenous representation bit of your video, growing up Native in Canada in the 2000s my favourite movie was spirit stallion of the cimaron, the movie is mostly about horses but the *brief* moments that positively depicted tribal life really impacted me. this teeny little sliver of representation really gave me a lot of confidence growing up… ANDTHE MOVIE IS ABOUT HORSES.
Bruh I will never forget that part in the Breaking Dawn When bella did not want Reneesme to play with the Amazon warriors because thier dark skin and tall legs intimidated her. I was like wtf?
Wasn't not the fact that they seen as wild, unpredictable even by all the vampires that came? and weren't all the vampires wary of them?
@@densum8184 The fact that Stephanie Meyer Choose to make indigenous people the more savage(barbaric) type of series just comes off as Western medias idea of what tribes should look like.
@@KariMaxsoulreapergoddess in the case of the Amazon coven depict twilight they are. They are hugely aggressive to both human and vampire. I think you missed. Look Stephanie is a shit writer and they are may things in twilight that are problematic to say the least.
@@densum8184 So you agree her depictions of native Americans as violent and barbaric was at least problematic? You already have Western Settlers often depicting Natives as Barbaric Cannibalistic savages which justified their destruction of their families and communities. But then you have some white lady who JUST relys on Stereotypes that natives are poor, misogynistic (that damn imprinting madness), mystic or otherworldly, barbaric, and blood thirsty savages.
The Twilight's Werewolves are also sexist. I don't get it, there are female wolves in real life. Why it is surprising for a lady to become a werewolve and somehow is the only female werewolf in history
I guess Meyer either didn't see or didn't like the "werewolf sex" scene in 'The Howling," lol!
They aren't werewolves they are shape shifters. If they were they would been killed by voltrui if they real werewolves.
That is problematic. But it's nothing compared to how the native american character in Suicide Squad was framed. He's the only one without a goofy splash scene intro, and then he's the first to die, and NOBODY bats an eye. They just kinda shrug like a balloon had popped, not a human being dying.
The thing about 'but fiction doesn't affect reality' is that it's down to whether you actually have a reality for comparison.
Like there's a reason many people don't think of Iran in terms of having greenery, there's a reason people vastly overpredict the nastiness of humans in disaster situations, there's a reason we can glean so much about a culture's values and material conditions from its myths and why the Brothers Grimm really rose to prominence during a formulation of a unified German identity in the decades following the aftermath of Napoleonic occupation among other phenomena.
At the very least, media (but particularly just actual research) has the power to break people out of a given cultural narrative.
Just when I thought twilight couldn’t get anymore toxic 😭
Still a guilty pleasure of mine though 😂
Yes. I think you should be allowed to like anything - no matter how sleazy it might be - as long as it's fictional and as long as you don't take it seriously. People can enjoy Gothic/S&M content without wanting to torture people in real life, just as they can enjoy revenge fantasies while admitting that actual violent criminals are entitled to due process.
Here before Wine moms and their daughters come to raid. LESSS GOOOOO
20:52 You might be interested in the upcoming series “Dark Winds”. Although based on a book by a white author, the show will center Native American characters and feature indigenous talent in front of and behind the camera, and is produced with the blessing and support of the Navajo nation.
Just cuz it's a book by white author it's automatically racist ? Get a life low life
@@foxovdiler9571 Thats not what he said. You should learn to read
Daniel Boone was one of the best westerns in terms of how native Americans were views
@@foxovdiler9571 She literally said the exact opposite. What's your deal?
@@foxovdiler9571 What? That's not what was said at all. You need to work on your reading comprehension mate.
The set up is fine! There is no noticeable difference with the quality :)
Hey for anyone interested on Native Americans in film and the history of that, I recommend the documentary “Reel Injun” it’s made by Natives and it just delves into how Natives have been depicted in film since its invention.
This topic has always been in the back of my mind and I'm so glad someone finally made a video about it! :O
Great video, it’s pretty typical of a suburban Mormon author to utilize these stereotypes. Especially discouraging in a blockbuster geared so much to younger audiences.
That said I suggest the movie Wind River. It’s sort of murder mystery that takes place on a reservation in Wyoming. There are still white protagonists but the majority of the actors are actually Native American and the way that white supremacy and authority play into the plot is really well done
yeah this aspect of the books and films have always been sh1tty and just problematic (though the books and films aren't great) whether intentionally or not meyers mormon faith has probaly influenced her idea of indigineous americans negatively.
Mormonism is basically "colonialism the cult edition" so I can assure you it did.
who can forget the grooming apologia?
I have nothing to add to this discussion but dude, your research for these videos id A+! Keep up the good work!
This is why i love Last Samurai because it shows a guy who is literally haunted by the past when he killed a native tribe and was forced to kill them for no real reason
Waititis new movie is appearently good, and he is maori with a history of social critical movies. Hell he brought the theme of colonsatiation in the Thor franchize of all things. He is good atbeing social critical.
And he has an indeginous movie now
What's it called?
@@maxgrozema1093 I am not sure about the movie, but he does have a show out on Netflix called Reservation Dogs. I do recommend watching all his movies though as well
@@acemoto6232 thank you! I already saw jojo rabbit and thor ragnarok
Just commenting for algo and letting you know that your output is awesome. I can only imagine the amount of time it takes to choose and research topics. We see you
I’ve been to Forks. Almost every restaurant in the area has at least 2 Twilight-themed dishes. One restaurant had an entire “Twilight” section with radically different decor. Like, a log cabin where it abruptly becomes a teenage girl’s bedroom. It’s still a beautiful area to visit if you ignore the Twilight stuff.
An idea for you to consider: you should make a video on how the movie 300 portrayed spartans and Persians and it being anti-persian propaganda, theres a video on youtube which explains how the persians contributed to the west and were actually the human rights advocates in comparison to the eugenic society of the spartans. They also portray the persians as having a much darker complexion than the greeks who all look like nordic men, in reality greeks and persians in historical contexts look almost identical. Another racist touch
I’ve actually done this video like 3 months ago!
Plus it was strangely homophobic. Spartans out of all the people were making fun of Greeks for being gay. SPARTANS!
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 That also makes it historically inaccurate!
As a person of Indigenous heritage (not Quilieute), my reaction to Twilight series is quite mixed. On the one hand, I find the series oddly compelling. I appreciate your take on why Native talents participate in such projects. Representation that strays from savage or noble tropes is welcome. Of course this series is hugely problematic as well, not the least reason being that it does not successfully avoid such stereotyping. And why in the world did they cast some actual Natives for some roles but not for the lead Native character of Jacob!? What, could they not find one ONE suitable hot Native actor for the role? Please! More like they could not be bothered. How insulting. It also seems the films used a mix of Native and non-Native actors, ending up with an array of vaguely brown cast for those roles, instead of truly representing. The acting is decent in parts and definitely cringey in other parts and I was happy to see actors like Graham Greene in it, but ofc kill off that character eh? Ugh. Plus that doesn't even address using generic Native actors versus specifically Quiileute descendants. Did they even bother trying to recruit a genuine cast or consult with tribal council for anything or nah? I confess to finding the books' writing unwieldy, immature, or otherwise painful in many spots, fairly often experiencing secondhand embarrassment while reading. Still the plot is mostly compelling (if sometimes horrifying) even if the characterization leaves something to be desired, and I usually found it hard to put the books down. Overall, it's disappointing because this series could have been so much better and fixed in several ways if the author had cared to do so. Finally, I can't even with the twist in book 4 with Jacob and Bella's daughter.... ughhhhh. That pretty well ruined it for me. xo
never knew Marlon Brando was woke
Nice surprise
The right-wing youtubers will be cancelling Brando.
Yah, they will claim that Brando should "keep politics out of their movies" and point to Colonel Kurtz as an exemplar of how the military should act.
Appart from the lack of pyramide, everything is great in my opinion.
More seriously I wasn't interested in the Twilight series when it came out though I'm a long time Werewolf/ Vampire/ Changeling pen and paper RPG player and fan. And an Anne Rice reader I have to say. Never read the book I have to admit.
And I can tell you I hate those movies approach. Simplistic, racist and extremely sexist. Exactly the opposite of what White Wolf Publishing managed to do with their amazing roleplaying game and the liberty it offered.
Robert Pattison deserved way better as "The lighthouse" show us for example.
Congratz for the 40k
I could never get anyone to play the white wolf games with me. It's always D&D. I only have a shadowrun group to branch out because I made a group in college and we managed to stick together long after. I always wanted to play changeling though. Vampires and werewolves are cool, but the true and properly frightening fae have always been my favorite type of fantastical creature.
blood quantum is a great horror movie that has an indigenous director and actors in the main cast. it's set in canada and focuses on a first nations reservation during a zombie apocalypse. great gore and acting
she could've just made up her own tribe...
By the way the Aptomkin wasn’t even a Native American vampire, rather they were just dragon-like sea monsters.
I am a full blood Native American teenager, natives observed the nature around them and adapted their everyday lifestyle. For example, Buffalo don’t fear wolves as much as they do humans, as a Buffalo is easily bigger than your average wolf; so, natives wore wolf pelts to easily sneak up on Buffalo, and then shoot them or use spears, we didn’t think we became the animal, it’s more utility than spiritual, however over the course of hundreds of years natives have adapted this way of observatory life into their culture and religions.
Edit* btw The Revenant is my favorite depiction of native Americans in any movie ever
Great vid but missed the part where Edward is like 100 years old going after a 17 yo....
Those Books are Problematic, tbh.
Ahh, yes. The Twilight deep dive we needed. 😌
Loving your beard! Your vids too
I never really realized any of this in Twilight I was too focus on how abusive the relationships were and how bad the writing was. LoL 😂😆
I love this take on this series.
Lmfao
Turbo is a huge fan of your videos
Hmph Tommy, you invited me to your bedroom, how naughty of you.
Native americans were so native they actually were an essential part of the ecology of north america
Blood Meridian by Cormack McCarthy is a really good book about scalp hunters on the Mexico/US border in the 1850’s. It’s loosely based on historical events and doesn’t shy away from the extreme violence that was used against Native Americans.
Oh boy this is gonna be great!
I've noticed this early on and it's one of the things that rubs me the wrong way.
the absolute disregard & disrespect of vampire folklore was nightmarish enough
while I’m saddened that actual First Nations we’re also completely sharted on, the author was always a creepy loser so I’m not surprised
I’ve been excited for this one 🧛♀️
Yasssss serious analisis of Twilight. Cringe culture is dead, long live twilight in all its problematicness, the twilight renaissance is here, baby.
did you s@cr1f1c3 a goat to twilight today.
@@ddjsoyenby a snail.
Noice vid. Are you going to respond to TJ Kirk’s response stream? He seems pretty heated that you took an ableist stance against his having face blindness (Prosopagnosia).
I don’t plan to watch or respond, no
audio is just a lot more tinny/live idk if you can like put up a acoustic blanket behind the setup or something
Thank you for this video!
Do Stargate next. "White Saviors of the universe", liberating the brown people by killing their gods.
Stephenie Meyer: JK help me, I'm being cAnCeLlEd!
Hey you know indigenous Australian don’t even show up at all outside of indie films
Welcome to woop-woop.
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The only movie I’ve ever seen that depicts indigenous Australians is Walkabout. Is that considered an Indie film?
One excellent film with an contemporary Indigenous setting - as well as director and screenwriter - is the 2019 film Blood Quantum
Thank you for the hint.
They drop kicked a toddler into a bonfire I still can't stop laughing about that franchise lol.
It REALLY bugs me when people think misogyny is the ONLY reason why people hate this disgusting series when it is ssssooooo much worse than that dear god...and to think so many of these books and movies were made
I like to consider myself more continuous about issues with depictions of Native American in media, I’ve always felt a big connection with that part of my family heritage. I completely missed this issue with the twilight movies, as well as The Last of the Mohicans. Although I was much younger when I saw the later with my grandparents.
Last of Mohicans is not twilight with mentioning that my point with that and the Revenant is more about Native stories being told by the perspective of a white man ‘gone native’ rather than a native character
@@TheKavernacle I didn’t mean to compare them as the same, only that in both cases that I missed the problematic issues with how they depicted Native Americans.
beautiful vid my friend
Good lord, how can anyone be as culturally unqware as this. Clearly I never read any kf the books or watched any of the movies, not my demographic, so I had no idea. What we have done, and as uncomfortqble as it is to hear, are still doing, to the native peoples is unconscionable. So to make a mokery of them, use them as props, and continue to exploit them and what little land we have yet to steal from them despicable.
I found a full video of the Oscar speech on Histo REAL. Very cool, I never knew about this.
My understanding of the lady who came up on stage to read Marlon Brando's speech wasn't actually native American but a white actress.
She's mixed. Not too many full blooded natives running around.
I wanted Edward Cullen being called Eduard Copoi and speaking with a strong romanian accent.
From what I'm gathering from the analysis of this video, the issue at hand is that Stephenie Meyer's depiction of the Quileute tribe as werewolves who have trouble controlling their anger or acting animalistic plays on stereotypes about Native Americans being savages by European colonizers. I don't believe Stephenie intended to be malicious with her representation of the Quileute tribe or Native Americans, having found a place (Forks, Washington) that she liked for the setting of her novel and finding the tribe nearby as a potential part of her fictional story. I don't know if she may have internal biases she didn't recognize that played out into how the story was formulated but I hope that, with analysis like these, we can all learn to be more conscious about how we represent our stories in the future in an effort to respect others and their cultures. I don't condone the perpetuation of these stereotypes you've highlighted in your video and agree with you that they do more harm and only reinforce stereotypes which we as a society need to recognize and stop before they get worse. I am also learning to recognize internal biases I have that I didn't know were causing harm until someone confronted me on it and gave me the feedback I needed to stop and do better.
Interesting just came across this video today. Personally as a huge Twilight fan like harry potter and lord of the rings and star wars that twilight isn’t racist. But I will say that instead of shapeshifting into wolves why not bears and mountain lions? Alice actually calls Jacob a dog in(soon as you let the dog out)new moon which could be sorta racist but he does turn into a wolf which wolves and bears and mountain lions are apart of Native American lore in the tribes in the U.S.A. and Canada. Plus they aren’t even werewolves in the twilight universe they are shapeshifters that turn into wolves which I didn’t realize until rereading breaking dawn a second time(like in harry potter sirius shifts into wolf and lupin transforms into a werewolf)In Latin America the Jaguar 🐆 is idolized and in Sub-Saharan Africa the Lion 🦁is idolized and in Asia the Tiger 🐅is idolized by the tribal peoples not dogs like hyenas and wolves. In Asia the Tiger is King and considered Royalty in China and India and not wolves or dogs. It just would of been better if maybe they were mountain lions aka cougars or bears than a dog aka a wolf.
* effervescent *
Adam Sandler made a racist movie? NOOOO!
That's BS. Werewolves are more easily linked with shamanism which is part of many, if not most native cultures.
we need an assassin's creed 3 movie!
Twilight would’ve benefited with some Native American vampires to balance out the ethnic diversity which was clearly lacking when it came to the bloodsucking demographic.
The vampires aren't vampire's, their fá from Irish folklore, basically elves before they became the graceful kind people think they are.
And the werewolves are just shape shifters, they chose a wolf form which would make them Skinwalkers per say.
Keep this shit up brother
why ive clicked on this?
Bimbo Bella's Mormon Mix-up
Good thing that I like the Ip Man and Rouronin Kenshin movies, Japanese and Chinese movies told by their natives, and even then, they not speak well of westerns, specially the U. S. and the British, hell, the whole theme of Rouronin Kenshin, that is like Gintama with less humour, is that what if the Meiji era wasn't really a good thing, sure it bring peace, there were no more warrior state/clans, but cost a lot of bloodshed and losing part of their autonomy, even Shishio one of the antagonist quote Arthur Perry that open the Japanese trade route at the point of his cannons.
Baki does that also.
The fact that you use the ultra-cringey speech by white man Marlon Brando using Sacheen Littlefeather (who was raised in a white household and has as much Native Heritage as me myself, which is to say pretty damn white), a woman who has been singled out many times with other bad faith actors such as Iron Eyes Cody as an example of tokenism and "noble savage" stereotyping while ignoring the very real struggles that indigenous populations go through with systemic poverty and racism through the reservation system, shows that Kavernacle has no clue what he is talking about and probably hasn't spoken with many Indigenous activists.
Kav usually does really good videos, but this is a case where he is far out of his element. If he really cared about the American Indigenous community and how media portrays them he could instead be talking about how the media under-reports missing and murdered indigenous women, how the discovery of a mass grave at a residential school for the reeducation and Westernization of indigenous children in Kelowna sparked massive outrage and protests against the Canadian government including the tearing down of statues and emblems of the government including in my current hometown of Victoria over this very summer. Instead he makes a clickbait video about Twilight which hasn't been relevant in years and uses 40 year old publicity stunts by famous white people who never faced systemic racism and calls it 'content'.
He usually makes good videos, but this one is wall to wall with bad takes- orientalism is much more his milieu. The fact that the indigenous community in North America gets both misrepresented and underrepresented so often and 'Leftists' pay lip service as though racism against native populations is no longer a thing is sadly turning a disenfranchised minority group more into the hands of the alt-right who see them as a tool for the furtherment of their very real racist ideologies.
I think most modern western films are better than old ones cause the modern ones actually show most of the natives' sides
It would have been so easy to create a fictional civilization, rather than appropriate an extant culture and plaster your shallow fantasy escapist tropes over them. I'm writing my own werewolf novels, and their civilization is entirely fictional. The only real world cultures I borrow from are my own, as an Asian American, who is also queer and neurodivergent. It's not cultural appropriation if you base it on your own traditions and lived experiences.
Honestly I really enjoyed the modern western of the ballad of Buster scruggs and other tales, but the depiction black and white depiction of native people kinda left a bad taste in my mouth.
People were racist back then it's reality.
@@emptyblank099a I'm aware, it being more of a modern take on a western the depection of natives in the story, justified the prejudice of the characters, by pretty much having the only depiction of them people out for blood first and foremost. Being a somewhat more modern take on the western it kinda irks me as it could have been handled with more care, having the retrospect of the harm such media has had in the past. I think it's possible to pay homage to a genre without repeating it's more problematic tendencies.
Everyone should watch Smoke Signals and Blood Quantum. Awesome movies.
I doubt this movie was intentionally racist, like how Bright was unintentionally racist
I wish we would get a whole saga inside the Twilight universe just centering the queleute and written by native's themselves. Stephenie is just not qualified to write anything else than angsty mormon teenage romance but I feel like the twilight series set off some potential for a nice fantasy world, where people with mire diverse Backgrounds should have been allowed to work with stephenie's ground Material from there on. Obviously: more native representation in general in all media forms and politics. Just a thought about how this series could have been saved.
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