If you have a large amount of height to overcome, (head) you can open the intake valve before you increase the rpms and before you close the tank to pump and let water back flow into the hard suction. This will lessen the amout of air you have to remove with the primer pump.
Good work! All engine companies should be familiar with these techniques. Unfortunately, many engines in urban areas no longer carry hard suction hose. The only suggestion I would add is adding a suction strainer to the suction hose when drafting from a water source like the one shown to prevent debris from being sucked into the pump (not needed if drafting from a clean source like a swimming pool).
Depends on the operation. Our technique is always pump on before you leave the cab as well, but if it’s gonna take me a couple of minutes to get it set up I will not put the pump in gear until I’m actually ready to drive. No point in getting it hot needlessly, although you can always open the tank to pump and the tank fill valve in the meantime to keep water circulating and keep things cool.
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Many Firefighters don't understand what it means when you have a 1500 or 1250 GPM pump. The rating is from a draft not tank to pump. Im sure this guy knows that. :)
where did the chocks go? I was about to give you props for using them. a neighboring fire dept. never uses them normally they can get away with it, but one day they parked on a hill our tanker was parked in front of it. Their engine started to move slamming into the back of our tanker. If it wasn't for us using chocks both the tanker and engine would have been sunk in a near by creek. their is a reason why we carry them use them!!
Angel Reaper . I did the whole video without them, I totally forgot to be honest but at the time to edit the video I noticed, so we went back and shoot that portion and added it
Ian Moniz it's the tank fill valve, once you open your tank to pump the water will revolve and heat up your pump, so by opening the tank fill valve you will send that revolving water back to your tank
strainer is on ....good job....I once watched a crew ''try" to do a drafting operation at a fully involved apt fire...after about 15 minutes and a smokin hot primer motor...and about 8 firefighters trying to trouble shoot....yep ...you guessed right ! pump was not engaged.
I know this is a crazy old comment. I saw a guy on my department pull a draft without having the pump in either pressure or preferred RPM model on a pump. The pump was engaged by running at idle. The guy was a pump tester at Pierce prior to working on my department. I was literally in awe as I watched that. He also did not use the primer at all. He simply back filled the line through the Keystone valve and pulled a draft from a portable tank.
With no strainer on the intake line....drafting from a pond.... 1000-2000 gpm.... how long does the impeller last with all the dirt and sediment and the occasional crappie being introduced into the pump system?
What would you do in the instance of drop priming? Just open the intake and the tank fill let water fill the hard suction and then close the intake and then basically begin drafting by increasing RPM's? I have an engineer's test this friday and am trying to prepare.
The same purpose but a totally different tecnique as we have in germany. Of course every country has is own tecniques, but one thing I cant understand is why you use thread clutch instead of e.g. Storz cluth.
Josh Jourdan As long as you maintain your seals from time to time (tbh from year to year) you won‘t have any practical disadvantage from using storz couplings. At our department in Germany we draft on a regular basis and never had any problems with the couplings sucking in air. I also think american pumps could use some kind of automatic air draining device (I’m lacking a better term). Engineers over here don‘t have to drain their sucking pipe from air manually since the 1960s, but I believe this Varies from engine to engine.
@@picoro228 high volume fire pump, used alot in the uk and western Europe in area's where water availability is an issue, comes on two prime movers, within 15 minutes of arriving on scene can be pumping 7000 litres a minute down 3 km of 150 km hose from any open source of water though it can use a hydrant
dwc215 that is a good idea not to engage until you have everything set up, the only downside about that is that you have to go back into the cab and you might put mud on your floor boards,,,, haha JK, good observation!
His method here is far more common and makes more sense unless your engineer is extremely slow. To be idling your pump and opening up your tank to pump and your tank fill you'll be recirculating the water and at the same time getting your pump up to a good operating temp. It also saves going back in the cab.
Last year they had a capacity test over here in The Netherlands from a large static water canal, pumping 24,000 litres (about 6340 gallons) per minute! ruclips.net/video/ksOFJ3AdDoM/видео.html
Fireman trying to sound way more sophisticated than they are, "drafting from a static source". Well you are actually pumping water, there is no definition of drafting in that respect, secondly the source is not static, clearly the water is flowing. Title should be, "operating (insert truck model) PTO water pump".
Wyatt Fisher What it is instead? I hardly believe that this fire engine has a second engine to operate the pump so I strongly believe that it is driven by a PTO.
The water source is static. A pond, lake etc is static unlike a fire hydrant which is under pressure and flows once it is open. A pond is useless unless you pull from it, draft. Most hydrants I have used have adequate pressure so as the actual pump pressure is not even needed.
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If you have a large amount of height to overcome, (head) you can open the intake valve before you increase the rpms and before you close the tank to pump and let water back flow into the hard suction. This will lessen the amout of air you have to remove with the primer pump.
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Absolutely, yet another reason to not let your tank get completely dry before you refill.
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Good work! All engine companies should be familiar with these techniques. Unfortunately, many engines in urban areas no longer carry hard suction hose. The only suggestion I would add is adding a suction strainer to the suction hose when drafting from a water source like the one shown to prevent debris from being sucked into the pump (not needed if drafting from a clean source like a swimming pool).
I agree all firefighters couldn't know how to do that❤😊
Imperial County is in the very southeast corner of California, it's very hot there most of the time.
@ Mark Shapiro; it does have a strainer at the end of the hard suction
Good video showing the necessary steps. We teach a slightly different order and do not place the pump in gear until all setup steps are complete.
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Depends on the operation. Our technique is always pump on before you leave the cab as well, but if it’s gonna take me a couple of minutes to get it set up I will not put the pump in gear until I’m actually ready to drive. No point in getting it hot needlessly, although you can always open the tank to pump and the tank fill valve in the meantime to keep water circulating and keep things cool.
Nice presentation of drafting. good job Oscardog!
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What’s to prevent something from being sucked into the pump? We put a ladder under hose to keep it off the bottom.
Good demo for a fire truck 🚒 how quick could he empty that pond ❓
Many Firefighters don't understand what it means when you have a 1500 or 1250 GPM pump. The rating is from a draft not tank to pump. Im sure this guy knows that. :)
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All connections must be airtight when drafting. That explains the use of the mallet.
Must have been clean cement water hole we usually draw from a pond and occasionally from saltwater with sandy bottoms and use a float dock
ffjsb you are absolutely right about back flowing water back to the water source that lessen the amount of air = time
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where did the chocks go? I was about to give you props for using them. a neighboring fire dept. never uses them normally they can get away with it, but one day they parked on a hill our tanker was parked in front of it. Their engine started to move slamming into the back of our tanker. If it wasn't for us using chocks both the tanker and engine would have been sunk in a near by creek. their is a reason why we carry them use them!!
Angel Reaper . I did the whole video without them, I totally forgot to be honest but at the time to edit the video I noticed, so we went back and shoot that portion and added it
What is that 2nd gate your opening after pulling "Tank to pump"?
Ian Moniz it's the tank fill valve, once you open your tank to pump the water will revolve and heat up your pump, so by opening the tank fill valve you will send that revolving water back to your tank
strainer is on ....good job....I once watched a crew ''try" to do a drafting operation at a fully involved apt fire...after about 15 minutes and a smokin hot primer motor...and about 8 firefighters trying to trouble shoot....yep ...you guessed right ! pump was not engaged.
I know this is a crazy old comment. I saw a guy on my department pull a draft without having the pump in either pressure or preferred RPM model on a pump. The pump was engaged by running at idle. The guy was a pump tester at Pierce prior to working on my department. I was literally in awe as I watched that. He also did not use the primer at all. He simply back filled the line through the Keystone valve and pulled a draft from a portable tank.
good job
With no strainer on the intake line....drafting from a pond.... 1000-2000 gpm.... how long does the impeller last with all the dirt and sediment and the occasional crappie being introduced into the pump system?
Shaofu Chang There is a strainer on it, it’s just not clearly visible from this angle
The strainer is briefly visible at 2:46
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What would you do in the instance of drop priming? Just open the intake and the tank fill let water fill the hard suction and then close the intake and then basically begin drafting by increasing RPM's? I have an engineer's test this friday and am trying to prepare.
Open the tank to pump valve, then close the intake
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The same purpose but a totally different tecnique as we have in germany. Of course every country has is own tecniques, but one thing I cant understand is why you use thread clutch instead of e.g. Storz cluth.
Nitrogentrihydrid no reason its just the department preference, it should work the same
threaded seals much better. less air introduced from couplings. can make it hard to start draft
As others have mentioned, Stortz is much more likely to leak on the suction side of things
Josh Jourdan As long as you maintain your seals from time to time (tbh from year to year) you won‘t have any practical disadvantage from using storz couplings. At our department in Germany we draft on a regular basis and never had any problems with the couplings sucking in air. I also think american pumps could use some kind of automatic air draining device (I’m lacking a better term). Engineers over here don‘t have to drain their sucking pipe from air manually since the 1960s, but I believe this Varies from engine to engine.
Вот это настоящий водитель пожарного автомобиля. А у нас на водоисточник устанавливают водитель и четвёртый номер пожарный.
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Do you have access to HVPs?
What an HVP?
@@picoro228 high volume fire pump, used alot in the uk and western Europe in area's where water availability is an issue, comes on two prime movers, within 15 minutes of arriving on scene can be pumping 7000 litres a minute down 3 km of 150 km hose from any open source of water though it can use a hydrant
what does draft mean ?
Firemen trying to sound fancy by operating a pump.
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dwc215 that is a good idea not to engage until you have everything set up, the only downside about that is that you have to go back into the cab and you might put mud on your floor boards,,,, haha JK, good observation!
His method here is far more common and makes more sense unless your engineer is extremely slow. To be idling your pump and opening up your tank to pump and your tank fill you'll be recirculating the water and at the same time getting your pump up to a good operating temp. It also saves going back in the cab.
@reeseabeasley55 we carry 1000 gallons of water in our Engine so that gives us enough time to set up while the personnel fights fire
Last year they had a capacity test over here in The Netherlands from a large static water canal, pumping 24,000 litres (about 6340 gallons) per minute!
ruclips.net/video/ksOFJ3AdDoM/видео.html
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where's the probies to do the grunt work lol
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Isn't he drafting from the pond and NOT drafting from the fire truck?
Hes pumping water from the truck. Why must people like firemen use these terms that are nonsense and then argue about them. So dumb
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Tecniques, hoses, pumps are totally differend if you compare it with europe. This is so slow... no offense
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The title for the next video should be "How to DRIFT in a fire engine!"
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First. You DO NOT draft from a Fire Engine. You draft from your water supply TO the engine.
It's called pumping.
wheels shoulda been chocked as soon as the rig was parked.
Fireman trying to sound way more sophisticated than they are, "drafting from a static source". Well you are actually pumping water, there is no definition of drafting in that respect, secondly the source is not static, clearly the water is flowing. Title should be, "operating (insert truck model) PTO water pump".
Brian that’s not a PTO driven pump
Wyatt Fisher What it is instead? I hardly believe that this fire engine has a second engine to operate the pump so I strongly believe that it is driven by a PTO.
The water source is static. A pond, lake etc is static unlike a fire hydrant which is under pressure and flows once it is open. A pond is useless unless you pull from it, draft. Most hydrants I have used have adequate pressure so as the actual pump pressure is not even needed.