Doctor Who's Approach To Hype Is Starting To Frustrate Me...
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- Doctor Who's Approach To Hype Is Starting To Frustrate Me...
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Doctor Who is a British science-fiction television programme broadcast by the BBC since 1963. The programme depicts the adventures of a Time Lord called the Doctor, an extraterrestrial being who appears to be human. The Doctor explores the universe in a time-travelling space ship called the TARDIS. The TARDIS exterior appears as a blue British police box, which was a common sight in Britain in 1963 when the series first aired. With various companions, the Doctor combats foes, works to save civilisations, and helps people in need.
Beginning with William Hartnell, fifteen actors have headlined the series as the Doctor. The transition from one actor to another is written into the plot of the show with the concept of regeneration into a new incarnation, a plot device in which a Time Lord "transforms" into a new body when the current one is too badly harmed to heal normally.
The fourteenth series of the British science fiction television programme Doctor Who is set to premiere on 11 May 2024, and is expected to air through to 22 June. It will be the fifth series led by Russell T Davies as head writer and executive producer and the first since his return to the show, having previously worked on it from 2005 to 2010. This series is set to be the fourteenth to air following the programme's revival in 2005 and will be the fortieth season overall. The fourteenth series was announced with Davies' return to the programme for its 60th anniversary in 2023 and beyond, with Bad Wolf becoming a co-producer for the series. The series is referred to in marketing and promotional material as "Season One" following the production changes and the acquisition of Doctor Who's international broadcasting rights by Disney+.
The series stars Ncuti Gatwa as the Fifteenth Doctor, a new incarnation of the Doctor, an alien Time Lord who travels through time and space in the TARDIS, which appears to be a British police box from the outside. The Fifteenth Doctor was introduced in "The Giggle" (2023) through a "bi-generation", in which he split from his predecessor, the Fourteenth Doctor (David Tennant), rather than replacing him. The series also introduces Millie Gibson as the Doctor's newest companion, Ruby Sunday.
The series, which was preceded by a Christmas episode on 25 December 2023, will consist of eight episodes, which have been directed by Julie Anne Robinson, Ben Chessell, Dylan Holmes Williams, and Jamie Donoughue. Alongside Davies, who wrote six of the episodes, the writers include Kate Herron, Briony Redman, and former showrunner and head writer Steven Moffat. Filming began in December 2022 and concluded in July 2023. It was the first series to be produced at Wolf Studios Wales following the move from Roath Lock Studios for the preceding anniversary specials.
Auditions for the role of the Fifteenth Doctor started in December 2021, assisted by casting director Andy Pryor. Davies was interested in casting "new talent" and someone "younger", with most of the actors who auditioned under the age of 30. There was also no limit on gender and background, with auditions held for men, women, and one non-binary actor. Pryor said that when casting the Doctor, "you always want someone unexpected... an actor who contrasts with what's gone before yet still brings those essential qualities that the Doctor has". Ncuti Gatwa was the final candidate to audition for the role. Davies said that the production team "thought [they] had someone and then in he came and stole it", describing it as "the most blazing audition". Executive producer Phil Collinson stated that Gatwa "did things with [the role] that I'd never seen an actor playing Doctor Who do".
On 9 January 2023, the BBC announced that Aneurin Barnard would appear as the mysterious Roger ap Gwilliam, and that Jemma Redgrave, having reprised her role in the previous series would continue to appear as Kate Stewart during the fourteenth series. On 20 January 2023, further casting announcements from the BBC revealed that Anita Dobson and Michelle Greenidge would appear as Ms Flood and Carla Sunday. On 3 April 2023, it was announced that Jinkx Monsoon would play a major antagonistic role in the series, called "Maestro". On 5 May 2023, it was announced that Jonathan Groff would play a key role in the series. On 24 May 2023, the BBC announced that Indira Varma would join the series to play The Duchess. On 7 June 2023, Bonnie Langford was announced to be reprising her role as Mel Bush for the series. On 15 June 2023, Lenny Rush was also announced, to play a "mysterious" character named Morris. Alexander Devrient will reprise his role as Colonel Christopher Ibrahim.
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I think Russell needs reigning in....too much control, I'm sorry to say it...but is he looking a little tired??
His stories are certainly getting tired. He needs to go and a safer pair of hands that doesn't appear to take the Mickey out of the audience.
I do sometimes feel he has been given too much power, like the bbc have given him the keys to the tardis. He can do what he likes now. I thought it was a patchy season, all over the place but with some definite good bits. I think he needs a better script editor.
I feel like people missed the reference 😂
@@stram9332 I didn’t
@@stram9332 😂👍
I honestly couldn’t agree more… RTD has hyped things to oblivion (wild blue yonder, ep 4 is the best thing I’ve ever written, Ruby’s mother, the ‘devistating finale’, and not one of them payed off! -
Then the line in the finale “it was only important because we made it so” left me hacked off….
I’ve just lost interest - I tell you now the Mrs flood reveal will disappoint - she’ll end up being Ruby’s old dinner lady or something 😂
WBY and 73 Yards 100% paid off on the hype.
@@chrispy3369 What payoff? Who was the distant woman? Because it can't have been Ruby because she died in bed. What's the explanation for how her effect got past all UNIT defences? Paid off, GARBAGE.
@@troffleSome things are better off unexplained? Imagine if Midnight ended with the Doctor figuring it all out. Would ruin the episode entirely!
@@chocofrolik834 No it wouldn't. It would be entirely in character, unless there were an upcoming episode to carry on that story point. No, some things are not better off unexplained. That's just the garbage lying logic Davies wants to have.
Like when he said "pivoting away from hard science-fiction". Nobody with a clue about writing thought Doctor Who was ever "HARD science-fiction". At best, the 1980-1982 episodes were a hardER science-fiction, the stuff written by Christopher Bidmead.
Some of the novels between 1990 and 2004 were MUCH "harder" science-fiction, like the novel "The Taking Of Planet 5". The appendix to that novel includes a "paper" on cosmobiology. The scientific references on spacetime and mathematics the author quotes are REAL PAPERS by REAL SCIENTIST. The discussion on deSitter space with work by Brian Schmidt; he's currently the vice-chancellor of the Australian National University.
Davies is an IDIOT. Doctor Who was never HARD science-fiction. He's just lazy, stupid, arrogant and incompetent. Either he's lying or he truly doesn't know what "hard" science-fiction is and that means he IS NOT COMPETENT TO DO THE JOB.
That’s why I don’t watch/read interviews. RTD will say things that aren’t true in order subvert expectation. Or he will overhype something. I am getting annoyed by the constant 4th wall breaks w/ Mrs Flood.
love that, in universe, tharries just monologues to himself when the camera isn’t rolling
Honestly same and I don’t even have a RUclips channel yet
@@hada__02same here!
Our lives are basically Heaven Sent lol
Yeah, I’m sure the Doctor does this too. Fan theory: Tharries is actually the Doctor!
"in universe" yh I think that part of the Tharries EU is definitely canon
When they messed up The One Who Waits payoff majorly it made me much less excited about Mrs Flood.
Probably just some crazy old bag since they all live in section 8 housing.
Boom. This.
I’d like to reiterate Christopher Eccleston’s quote: Sack Russell T Davies, sack Phil Collinson, sack Jane Tranter and sack Julie Gardener…
From "Rose" to the Tenth Doctor saying "I don't want to go", RTD had a great run as a writer and a show runner, with help from a few other writers, such as Steven Moffet. Now it feels more like RTD saying "look how clever I am!". Sad to say, I only really liked "Boom" and "73 Yards".
The thing is: now that RTD lied to us about Ruby's mom, Mrs. Flood can literally be just a random neighbour and her 'big plan' is a birthday party for her grandaughter.
I still like Dr.Who but the hype is gone and I hope season 2 sees less RTD and more new writers with less dishonest storytelling.
Frankly I have no interest whatsoever in anything RTD has to say and increasingly less interest in anything he writes…
I always said we needed a fresh start rather than RTD I would have perferred James Goss or Briggs to take the helm
Is it just me, or does Russel seem cocky in his second era. It feels like he doesn’t need to prove himself again (which I guess is fair enough) but means instead of getting what we got in series 1, a reboot, we get season 1 which arguably is the most experimental and atypical series we’ve had so far. I get that he wants to play more with the supernatural which is fair enough, but he’s toying with the audience too much, potentially thinking he can do anything bc he’s already done the normal stuff before 19 years ago
He's been cocky since series 2, and to the detriment of his storytelling since then.
@@prestigepea1235 I wouldn't say that, I personally think series 3 and series 4 was the first golden age of modern doctor who.
While I don't disagree, it's worth noting he is doing the same thing as series 1. A lot of new who fans take for granted how different the first series of new who was, I mean, he killed all the timelords and made the doctor a war veteran in episode 2! Russel has always been very experimental with doctor who. Maybe he is more comfortable in the role of showrunner now, but I think he's just as cocky as he has always been.
@@SnowLily06 yeah that’s a fair point. I think it’s more a shift to not giving full answers, teasing the audience more, and going more supernatural that stands out the most of me. Plus in season 1, we got I’d say only 2 standard episodes of Doctor who, and only 3 where the Doctor and Ruby spend time together properly.
@harryhughes6124 I think 3 and 4 are certainly better than series 2, where a rush of blood to the head of the success of series 1 meant many eyes were off many balls. But you only have to watch any of his interviews from back then to see him echo the same "anyone who wants Logic from Dr Who is a m**g m**g" rhetoric - quite literally he made up the phrase "m**g m**g" to lump in any detractors. So this isn't something new or unexpected for me
Agreed, right now it's not a story, just ramblings where nothing makes sense.
7:44 Shows his contempt for the audience. I think it’s lazy writing. And we’ve seen through him now.
I called this after the Ruby Sunday's mother reveal; I said then, I didn't think Mrs Flood's 4th wall breaking was going to have an in-universe explanation, it's just something RTD has decided characters do now from time to time. As for him saying he knows the reason but he's not going to tell us, he's either lying or he's just being a dick. Or both. Frankly he has form for both. Honestly, with this and the 73 Yards explanation which he also claims he knows but isn't telling, it comes across as "I know the reason behind this, but it goes to a different school."
RTD has never previously seemed openly contemptuous of his audience. It’s an… interesting approach.
Doctor Who isn’t a fourth wall breaking drama. He’s trying to be smart but he isn’t smart anymore. I think he’s just disappeared up his own rear. Yes they didn’t it years ago but I don’t think Tom’s attempting it wasn’t taken out as they probably slipped back.
William Hartnell in the Feast of Steven directly talks to the audience. Peter Capaldi looks at the camera and says “I’m nothing without an audience”. Doctor Who is a 4th wall breaking drama. This isn’t a new thing.
Tharries you're absolutely on point here. There's a finite number of times the fans will forgive a feeling of being misled and I think season 2 is crucial. It's already in the can before RTD has seen the negative reactions towards season 1's finale. We can expect to get more of the same unfortunately; without explanation. I hope I'm wrong but it feels like RTD has abandoned story-telling and world-building for cynically generating clicks and social media debate.
RTD is the Master of one thing - baiting fans. He’s the Master Baiter!
The seasons being filmed so close together is a doubled edged sword. Yeah, you open up a lot of time for your main actors, but any good criticism you receive for the 1st season will have no effect on the 2nd.
@@nikonbear7882 He's not. He's got other people commissioned to do that for him.
@@chrispy3369 good criticism for the first season HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@@troffle What's so funny?
Thank you thank you so much.... I was left flat by the end of the series. Part of the fun is looking for clues etc to the overall story arc.... Plus RTD has been leading us a dance ..... to no way !!!!
This means you can write anything, put anything on screen.. just for the hell of it with no meaning.... How can we be expected to enjoy that....
Stories need a plot , and a three way act.....
This is very lazy.. RTD is having us all as fools.....
So don't believe the hype.... Take no notice of RTD.....
He needs to go!
I have always strongly supported RTD but I am not happy with the current shenanigans going on. I decided months ago that if Susan doesn't make a significant appearance this season, I am done with new Who. And I'm going to stick with Big Finish Doctor Who from then on, which is massively better storytelling.
RTD has a long history of telling us things that aren't true. Rule 1: The Doctor lies. 2: The Showrunner lies. Look at the list of episodes RTD told us to go back to see before the last series finale. None of them were relevant. I think he says we won't get answers for ABCD, but we probably will. I don't think we live in a world where he never reveals Mrs Flood, or goes back to Mavity. Now he's also a theatre nerd apparently so maybe the 4th wall breaks won't be explained, maybe he really does think that's acceptable. I don't, I don't care for theatre or musicals or any of that stuff, but if he doesn't explain that, I guess I'll live. No explanation for Mavity, and I Riot!!
RTD is a classic example of the effects of being high on your own flatulence. He needs to get out of his bubble, touch grass and get some fresh air…
While I don't disagree in the sake of fairness I will say he did reveal before the finale even came out why he recommended those episodes and they were based more on vibes than anything, he never said they connected fully to the episode.
why do i feel like RTD is like what you do to a Baby and hold jingling keys in front of them then swipe it away its like he gives pepole hope so he can then rip it away from them
They should've let Michael J Strasinski reboot it.
@@Lucretia9000 the guy that made one more day the most hated spider-man comic ever? hell no
It appears to me that RTD almost knackered himself during his first stint as showrunner. As such he seems to have come back thinking how he can alleviate some of that pain - and his solution is to just not bother with what he thinks of as the "fiddly bits".
Tired of explaining why magic is actually science - just introduce magic proper!
Need a reason an older Doctor looks old in a crossover - bigeneration covers all ills.
Have a cool visual image in your head of a mysterious woman making dramatic gestures - that's good enough in and of itself, logic be damned!
I thoroughly enjoyed season 1. Even space babies and empire of death weren't bad episodes to me, but i hate the lying. I know technically it isn't lying to have all these plot threads and never explain them, but it does feel like it is. Ive been in 100% support of RTD's second run but if he does continue the approach or never explaining anything then even I will just stop caring about the show because he is breaking the trust of the show's fans by intentionally leading them on and never explaining it even though he admits to knowing the reason. Even if he thinks it wouldn't fit well in the script, he could at least explain it in an interview or something like when Moffat clarified that the hybrid was Clara and the Doctor. Honestly, it feels like his direction for the show is based on rage bait, the same formula that Twitter and news outlets use where they intentionally make people mad and manipulate their feelings to get more views.
I enjoyed season 1 much less than you did, but I'm wondering if you're right about it being rage bait. But in my opinion, not fulfilling your promise to explain mysteries that you setup is really more apathy bait (and apathy for a show is worse than hate).
It seems a bit arrogant or entitled for an author to tell his audience, the people who literally pay his wages, "I know what that means, but I'm not going to tell you". Why would you say that?
Does it give you a sense of power or control?
@neilgodwin6531 tbf that works in some cases, part of a writers job is deciding what to tell an audience and what to hide. In episodes like 73 yards, especially, there is some information that should never be told to the audience. It's just hiding important information about the overarching plot of the season is a horrible decision
@@neilgodwin6531yeah bang on.
I'm so sorry, but I am honestly considering not watching the next series when it broadcasts. 😢😢
I will only watch if I hear through the grapevine that the next series sticks the landing and provides a reasonable and satisfying conclusion.
I don't want to use up time and energy by investing in a storyline that may not even go anywhere. I don't want to set myself up for disappointment again 😢😢
I do feel it may put off new and casual viewers especially if they learn that the writer/show runner deliberately builds up to things and then decides not only are they going to ignore it but actively tell the viewers that they as a writer know but aren't going to tell the viewer.
Long term viewers are almost used to this nonsense in one form or another but again nobody should take us for granted.
I was not impressed with Sutekh hijacking the TARDIS and has been there all the time, and this news does not surprise me at all.
While it is typical RTD (The Woman in End of Time, Sinister Man in Lazarus, the missing year in Aliens of London), it does kinda strike me as lazy that he is just writing ideas without any plan to explain them. As if he can't be bothered to finish
i feel like this season 1/series 14 is a season that's good without context, for example 73 yards and dot and bubble are really good until you remember that those are 2 out of 8 episodes that the doctor isn't really in. Like all the ideas for this season are really cool but when you bring the context into the room it just hurts it
I was just telling a non Who viewer that Millie Gibson has carried this season. 73 Yards and Boom are prime examples.
@@evanson69 oh yeah im not saying 73 yards is bad, i think most the episodes are great but 73 yards would be better if the season was longer (which is a problem in of itself) and gave the doctor and ruby more screen time. 73 yards is great but with the context that its ruining other things it makes it worse
@@evanson69 Ncuti Gatwa carried Boom *not* Millie Gibson (she's incapacitated for half of it), that was HIS showcase episode whereas 73 Yards was hers!
@@friendlyotaku9525 yeah I guess I mean when she's on the screen she's the one who shines for me.
@@evanson69 She was great. Nothing carried the season, the whole season was trash.
For me this started with RTD not properly explaining the 14th doctor, all we got was Donnas fan theory and i felt it again with 73 yards even though it was kind of the point of the episode and with sutekh and rubys mother, i am just tired of this...also RTD needs to learn to shut up, he has hyped up so much between the 60th and the recent season, also dont get me started on the regen because i forgot to mention that
Yes that's what's got me frustrated with the RTD2 era so far as well, the return of 10s face for 14 and the unusual clothes swap - for no reason apparently 🤷♀🤷♀ (and I'm not counting the real world excuses, I mean _in-universe_ , there needs to be some semblance of logic or cause for effect). He opens up these, often intriguing, pathways but they lead nowhere and despite being told "I'll explain later" he never does, just moves on and we are left hanging. Then if we question we get told "its just a tv show" and to stop obsessing over it. But we're Who fans, we love to mull over the details and the possibilities and its incredibly unsatisfying when questions remain unanswered and scenarios are never explained.
When you think about it he set us up like this, I can't assume when you started watching the show but, I started as a kid I grew up with RTD writing in his first era he set up the expectations then, now it is like he is tearing them all down for some reason, Chibnal was bad but at least he didn't straight up insults the audience and also he knew when to shut up and not egg on the audience and not blame them afterwards for getting hyped
@@aceyboi8329 I started watching in the 80s so had to wait through the wilderness years catching up on repeats of earlier stories when they were shown, the TV Movie and then all of NuWho since 2005.
And I agree, I don't mind a bit of hype or setting up a mystery but its the arrogance of deciding that its not worth answering them and then practically telling us off for getting too amped up, when HE was the one doing it! Just so frustrating as a fan.
I know Chibnall gets slated, I've done my fair share of criticisms but his almost non-existent hype and marketing while disappointing at the time also led to a sense of surprise that you don't often get on these days - I'm thinking of how surprised I was at Ruth turning out to be another Doctor (whether you like the story of the TC or not), the fact it wasn't spoiled and was a total surprise was actually really exciting.
Either RTD needs to dial down the hype or have a bit more consideration for the hardcore fans, and provide us with the answers that we might want. Not every time possibly, he can afford to be a little enigmatic, but when people leave an episode and have a long list of unanswered questions and illogical points, it doesn't feel like he's done the job properly - Empire of Death falls smack into this category and I think is a large part of why most of the reviews were of disappointment or as Tharries himself called it "underwhelming".
i agree hype can be good but RTD takes its too far
wild blue yonder it was a great episode, I don't think its a great anniversary special but RTD made it worse by being secretive and being like oh we are hiding something here with the redacted stuff in the trailer, its like he knows the fan base so much or not at all
like in the first part of this current finale he knew the fans would guess the s triad from the promo picture/leaks however he didn't guess people would guess the sue-tech with sutekh,
with chibnal I liked most his idea he just butched the landing for them, I don't actually mind the idea of the timeless child I just don't like it being the doctor, just makes the doctor too special and make a lot of the lore messy,
I know classic whos lore was all over the place however they had so many writers and from 2005-til before the timless child it all made sense when what we were told and now it just feels like what the hell its
like moffat with the war doctor he used the gap between 8 and 9 and filled it that was crafted well and now that kind of doesn't matter that care doesn't get put into the show anymore.
@@aceyboi8329 My thoughts exactly, even down to how I feel about Chibnall's era and the timeless child; its a good concept which could have opened up many narrative pathways but I'm not comfortable with it being the Doctor, its too contrived and as you said, makes the Doctor special by creation rather than actions. RTD notably said it was one of the reasons he returned; it opened up new possibilities to explore but I think it only narrowed it by confirming the Doctor as "the chosen one" cliché when it had many more places it could have gone if say the TC was a different person and the Doctor had a season long arc to find them (and potentially free them from the grasp of the Timelords).
Yes War Doctor was done right, it fitted into a space and while it technically changed the lore vis a vis the number of regenerations, it also added to it in a sympathetic and logical way. The Fugitive Doctor could easily have been added in a similar way under the Season 6b premise.
I feel I have to admit that I think RTD has let the power go somewhat to his head this time and its sad that it brings out this slightly negative aspect where he treats the fans with combativeness.
From here on in I'm going to try not to get hyped by the hype and attempt to go in with out expectation. Although that's pretty darn hard when the hype is in the show itself! 😁😁
Surely, Russell should be enticing people to watch the next series. Stuff like this is doing the opposite imo.
He should've been enticing people to watch the last series. Not only was it unenticing, we got the public advice to touch grass.
It'll be revealed she was the Rani in the next soft reboot in the year 2035 after the shows next hiatus begins in 2026.
I’ve been very patient.. I’ll watch the Christmas special, and I’ll watch the next series, but it fails to impress me again and leaves me frustrated again, I’ll have to call it quits, I’ve been a fan since 2013.
Been a fan since 1975 and I am well out!
@@DaveLynchWriter '78. But 100% with you. If I watch it from a non-approved source, it's going to be so I can pick the garbage apart and laugh in the RUclips comment faces of its fans, just to bring more and more humiliation to RTD.
Yeah i don't see why we should care about the show anymore when it clear the shorwrunner doesn't
He does care about the show.
@@friendlyotaku9525 He got a weird way of showing it
I believe RTD does care very much for the show but I would also say that the hype around Ruby’s mother and the reveal of her being just A N Other person does take the mickey out of the fans. What the hell is all the snow about and who is Mrs Flood.
If he does not address this at Christmas or Season 15/2 I think he is definitely taking fans for mugs and we will only take so much
@@friendlyotaku9525Not at all, its just a pandering show now
@@AbsoluteAbsurd How is it a pandering show? who does it pander to exactly?
My explanation is that RTD is intimidated by the audience. It sounds weird but hear me out.
When he was showrunner before the internet wasn't nearly as big as it is now. You had fans speculating about the show, sure, but these fans getting together in big numbers to solve mystery boxes just weren't there. Just look at how easily the fandom figured out that Sutekh was returning. He did try to hide the reveal, and going by 2005 internet standards it would have been very difficult to figure out beforehand. It's not like Sutekh was a huge player in the Doctor Who cosmos for the casual fan, he was just a one off villain 49 years ago. A cool onen yes, but no no-brainer.
It's nearly impossible to keep such things hidden because fans go to every location shoot and share everything on social media. I don't really blame him for going "screw it, let's mess with them".
It just makes for very disappointing and frustrating TV.
But the fandom has become a huge hivemind. Heck, look at how much we already know about season 2 and The war between the land and the sea. Look at how mich we knew about season 1, the basic premise as well as what most episodes would be about.
Well said. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Generating content is fine as long as it doesn't mean that viewers/fans MUST be involved in seeking that content out in order to follow the season. That's not going to work with retrospective viewers
If Empire of Death is anything to go by (the lamp post), they’re not breaking the fourth wall, they’re just addressing a character off screen that we never knew was there.
Frankly, I don't believe RTD at all when he says they know why he/they laid down plot holes but chose not to explain them to the audience. 🙄🤦♂️
I defended RTD vociferously...up until I finally realized he really WAS trying to push some kind of personal "agenda" and that (after the unforgivable "reveal" of Ruby's mother and his proclamation that he didn't give a damn about continuity or canon) he just doesn't care what even his most loyal fans think. He needs to be replaced at this point. We were given a brilliant actor to take over as The Doctor in Ncuti Gatwa, and RTD is dragging him down. And as far as not revealing who Mrs. Flood is.....after the huge waste of time that the Ruby's mother storyline was, I for one will be furious if he indeed does not reveal who she is.
If Mrs flood isn’t explained I want Russel to leave
I would believe it if this season was literally designed to make fun of the concept of hype. We wonder who Mrs. Flood is And the way the season ended, I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if we never even see her again. She seems to be built up less of a character of mystery, and more of just some random person who just happens to break the fourth wall as a gag.
And the way how they constantly build up the idea that we were going to see Susan again and then we didn't was very disappointing. I don't want her to be another Brigadier where we constantly tease the idea of him showing up, but then by the time we're ready, the actor is no longer with us. Yes, she can regenerate, but it wouldn't feel as satisfying if we don't get to see the original actress one last time, especially seeing as she's been very vocal to the idea of showing up. It doesn't even need to be anything serious, it could literally just be a cameo where she regenerates at the end or something. She didn't even have to be in a major role in the episode or anything, but to have The Doctor literally say: "Maybe one day I'll find her" And then not have him go and see her is one of the most frustrating things ever.
And then is it even worth talking about Ruby's mom? I think everyone already talked about that enough.
I strongly agree. RTD is always building up expectations to ridiculous heights and also throwing red herrings into stories that go nowhere. It is very unfair and to an extent condscending to get fans emotionally invested in hype for them to only then be disappointed and often then cricitised for being disappointed. I do not remember other showrunner constantly banging on about the show as if their sole purpose is to be a promotion advertiser on legs. I suppose JNT did but that was more hollywood pizazz and didn't really get in the way of writing good DW.
I hope Mattivty... does not mind if I quote his first line. 'Russel needs to reign (himself) in. '
I totally agree DW should be bigger than one persons intentions and beliefs beyond and including DW. Why can't he simply get on with his job, stop the constant media stunts and create great DW. Why on Earth does this just continue to drag on and on and on? It leads people especially fans to spends months of their life speculating about multiple threads with DW that in th end really don't amount to that much.
In the classic days we had DW on nearly every night of the year so we didn't have to waste time trying to predict what was ton be. It startd to get that way during JNT's tenure but then he backed off somewhat and DW improved.
Honestly, I wish Davies never returned. He’s not being reigned in and the quality of the show suffers as a result. This season in my opinion was four bangers and four poopers, with Davies writing all of the poopers. I’m only excited for the special because it’s Moffat.
RTD probably pinched the idea from 'Genesis of the Daleks'. Originality is not his forte.
Lol dw is in shambles. I was worried things would somehow get worse after jodie and well.. I havent been watching since
Mavity mavity mavity, there’s no rationale for Russell T Davies Dr Who, its absolute twaddle. We need Doctor Who for grownups, played by David Bradley with stories written by screenwriter Ben Aaronovitch, directed by Andrew Morgan and someone like John Nathan-Turner to produce it, sadly, but John Turner is no longer with us.
We need some Big Finish Writers in there! And when are they going to use the Tharries ramp for an actual companion in a chair!!
The established pattern that I am noticing is that Nuwho suffers from show runners who dont respect the shows audience enough to have solid plots, elements explained, canon respected or character traits maintained. When fans complain about plot holes and a half baked production, the answer is "who cares" and "there's no such thing as canon". The audience is punished for investing interest in the series. That becomes toxic and has spiraled out of control.
I would have Mrs. Flood be an alternate version of a time lord from Big Finish a Word Lord and a 7th Doctor foe Nobody-No-One.
I wouldn't mind but, the bits that will apparently go unexplained were pretty much the only parts that were interesting to me
I would like more explanations too, especially the snow. And if Russell knows there is a reason that Mrs. Flood breaks the fourth wall and doesn't plan to explain it, that doesn't seem very nice. Those things aside, I am really enjoying this new Who.
I prefer the gold version of 14's sonic. The silver version looks a little messy, whereas the gold version looks more concise and feels like they've stuck to a colour palette.
As another data point, I'm reminded of The End of Time, where Timothy Dalton spends most of the first part as an off-screen narrator, but then gradually transitions into becoming a real in-universe character as the episode progresses. There's no particular in-universe reason why Rassilon would be giving the High Council a point-by-point narrative of random events on Earth during his megamaniacal speech right in the middle of the final Dalek assault on Gallifrey, but I don't get the impression that anyone was ever particularly bothered by the weirdness of that. (Maybe because the Gallifrey reveal was actually done well and paid off well, so people were too busy being excited about that to complain about fourth wall breaks.)
...You know, it suddenly occurs to me that there's no reason Mrs. Flood couldn't be Rassilon. 🤯
I think the narration is him speaking of the prophecy etc.
My opinion on this is that I personally don't think it's that deep. Only fans who theorise etc. will find these things irritating, the general audience really won't care.
What was the point of the 60th?
This is a question that has lingered in me since WBY was a really good mystery filler at the expense of a really great reunion story between 14 and Donna having grown apart only to need to know each other really well to survive.
And the more "Season One" recalls The Giggle, has Gatwa cry, claims Sutekh was there even before Mrs Merridew, has rose hired by unit to do nothing while we dont see Donna working there at all, mention 14 as if Gatwa doesnt actively know everything he did while being there, claims defeating the Toymaker 'split his soul',
... the more Gatwa is happy-go-lucky only to completely panic when a threat appears has me more and more baffled what the 60th was even trying to imply for development. I was just going to ignore it but the show literally had Sutekh on the tardis after 15 duplicated it so... "why doesnt 14 help 'just this once' " has become such an elephant in the room. "He cant, he's learning to leave it to others and not jump in to every traumatic..." "thats all well and good but its literally an apocalypse? Which part of the therapy did he even grow from?"
I don't mind Mrs Flood's fourth wall breaks being explained - in theory. Characters have been breaking it in the show since the dawn of time, after all. However, now that Davies admits that there's an actual story reason behind it, I A) want to know what it is and B) it makes him look look a bit like a prick for refusing to reveal it, just because a random relative of his doesn't care. But well, RTD *always* used to be rather frustrating and irritating in interviews when it came to Doccie Who. I almost forgot what that was like over the last 15 years or so.
To be honest, I think he's become victim of the Streaming Wars quite honestly. With Wanda Vision they brought back Fox's Quicksilver only to have him be some throwaway nothing character with an immature name just to drum up hype! With Falcon and the Winter Soldier, they spread rumours about special guest characters that left them in 'tears' and it turned out to be a tertiary character from the comics. It seems that Russel's fallen down that pipeline of bigging things up to gain viewers to underwhelming results. We've seen how this kind of thing practically killed Marvel post Endgame and I think that it could cause irreparable damage to Doctor Who if Russel continues this way. A good show doesn't need to lie to their audience, it just simply needs to be good
I agree, I think the final has been influenced by the incoherent plots of Kurtzman trek, RTD did say he was impressed by Star Trek Discovery
Mrs. Flood is obviously The Flood from The Waters of Mars.
3:56 That’s because it’s obviously season 40 / season 41
TBH, hype is mostly fan driven. Stop doing it, fans! Just sit on or behind your sofa and be silent.
Doctor Who, you may rest now. All of you...
lets not forgot that nutti is charging £20 to talk to fans and 130 for autographs. smh
You do realize most celebrities don’t set their own prices? It’s typically their team who decides how much something is going to cost.
Ncuti has no control over the prices and also ofc he has to charge for it otherwise he would just be doing that 24/7
It doesn't matter this is pure robbery if it's the bbc or nuti they know the dinsney funding be enough. All this is for a guy that only been in it for only 5 episodes and played it pretty 💩 in my opinion
@@DeusLucifer
1. The Disney funding doesn't go into Ncuti's paycheck, and the money from the con won't go into the show.
2. You don't like Ncuti as the Doctor, so what's the problem with what he's charging? It's not like you were going to get an autograph or picture from him anyways. I could understand a person who really likes Ncuti, and the price being out of their budget being upset, but you're not one of those people. It just seems like you're looking for something to get mad over.
@brewster_4 I just don't see why people will pay for this those being either a super fan or a hater that wants to take a piss out of him that being said you need to pay 20 quid to even talk to him which is outrageous this should be a standard when you get a autograph. It's just pure robbery that all I'm saying and people falling for this is just disappointing
So that’s where the meme came from!😅
RTD has been clear for a while that the Mrs. Flood mystery wasn't going to be solved this season. With the more recent knowledge that Who was picked up for 2 seasons in the initial Disney+ deal, he is obviously building an ongoing story that goes over both seasons. We got some resolution in the first season (like who Ruby's mom is), but she is returning and her story isn't over. I also don't think we are done with the gods yet either. Personally, I like having mysteries and the Mrs. Flood one is super fun to come up with theories about.
"Mysteries". You're easily pleased, aren't you.
How about the mystery of "why is Sutekh the god of dust and death when he never was in either mythology or the original episode"? Or "how does killing someone claimed to be the god of death retroactively unkill people"? Or "when you watch the late 1970s episodes and they're so intelligently written, when the first producer Verity Lambert said the point was to write intelligent scripts, how is it RTD hasn't ended up in jail" mystery?
If Doctor Who doesn't improve and if season 2 (series 15) doesn't do good in the numbers then the show is Toast.
I do wonder if we give RTD too much leeway because of his legacy.
If Chibnal had produced the last season, would the reaction be as mild?
compared to the objective garbage of the Chibnall-era (sorry Chris, you're probably a good guy), this season was amazing.
@@niek024 "objective garbage" you mean Subjective.
Starting?
Knocked the nail on the head tharries
As they say. Fiction has it's own truth.
Bring on Grant Morrison
OMG I want that Davros head.
Too much unexplained content and on purpose I find is becoming arrogent. Also what's the point.
The point is that RTD believes that he’s intellectually superior to everyone else and thinks he’s being ‘clever’.
@@nikonbear7882 Yes I get that Impression. It's almost as he is the show rather than it's creative head.
Tharries! Where’s the blue adidas top?
When and how is Doctor Who Gonna be fixed as to when will lost media news be known to the public?!
RTD needs to stop talking. The episodes should stand for themselves.
And they don't. RTD also needs to stop writing and producing.
Rightly 'Twas Damaged...
I pretty much agree with you.
I dont agree that for mrs flood its fine for her to just be able to break the fourth wall so much with such a meddling and teasing tone without reason. Mrs flood is not a character then, it becomes a plot device. I do think the ending felt rushed a bit of weason 1, it was an alright season but lacked in tying up many bookends and left so many plot threads such as the snow which only makes sense with the whole time window idea or memories being strong that aspects get summoned with the memory TARDIS, I think that's how the snow works but all in ruby or Mrs floods mind so really do not know, hopefully it gets properly explained next season rather than vague blink and you miss it dialogue strips. or the continuity issues with suetekh like there being at one point 8-9 suetekhs on tardises?? Bit weird. Wouldn't the newest one kill all the others to reign supreme after having been on top of a TARDIS for so long and for so many times, or would he realise that would kill him rendering none of what happened true?
Or how the Valeyard was created
"Starting"? The promised explanation for why the Capaldi Doctor looked like a Roman patriarch he met before, and you're only STARTING to get frustrated? Matt Smith's first "I'm a total hero you should run away from me"? David Tennant's "I decided to regenerate into myself"? The absolute garbage of infinite regenerations from another universe? And for that matter, THROWING OUT ALL THE CONTINUITY OF THE BOOKS BEFORE 2005?
Please provide the prices and contact details of the supplier of the stuff you must have used to put up with all this garbage.
Even the devoted are beginning to see how terrible this show is now
Btw Fleabag has the best 4th wall breaking intergration ever. Spoilers: ruclips.net/video/dPDS6g7u4tk/видео.htmlsi=AHxU_8Ju_RZNqk6X
for your birthday!
RTD is just riffing now. He’s an ideas man but no good on the follow through and paying it off. Look at the Ruby mystery. A total joke just like Rey in the Star Wars sequel trilogy. A big dud.
PS re the gold Sonic - well you bought one. I’d like it but I’m sonic’d out.
So RTD is just spewing nonsense a this point? Write smarter, Russell.
It's hard to write smart if you think that every thing you write is an infinite work of genius, he needs people on the inside to keep his ego down - but he's in charge of production now.
For me I don't mind the lack of answers for continuity changes or storytelling shake ups, however what bothers me is the lack of commitment to do them justice, such as Devil's Chord not doing much with being a musical.
I like that it looked like you yeeted the sonic over your shoulder 👍
I think RTD has been possessed by Chris Chibnall. It's the only logical reason for him suddenly not being able to write compelling drama with a satisfying conclusion. I mean, is this really the writer of It's A Sin? Nolly? Doctor Who (2005) Series 1? etc. etc.?
Gotta love chibnall derangement syndrome
The choices of s1-6 were made with passion and creativity, prepared to compromise or take risks. S7 onwards occasionally does this, particularly 8-10, but often is made to a formula and traditional to recapture the success of what came before rather than doing something different, ironically missing why it was a success. Eg. Aliens of London was made to explore the untapped potential of what happens when companions return home, Arachnids in the UK was made to be the obligatory mid season return to present day earth story.
I think we need to remind ourselves of context for RTD back in 2005. He brought Dr Who back on a clean slate. He introduced the Time War and created a whole universe around that event. He allowed many old time references to classic Who but his overall story telling was very different to what had come before. Then came Moffat, who I believe ruined the Time War and it's conclusion, just making the Timelords trapped and return later with 12.
When Chibnall took over, I feel like he had no real plans, he had no agenda. When in Series 12 he decided to do away with the Timelords and create the Timeless Child, I think he was also trying to create a clean slate. Create a new problem for the Doctor and rid the universe of the Timelords so that the audience could feel the same pain as the 9th Doctor back in episode 2 "The end of the World".
This for me is the real problem, Dr Who has been stuck trying to regain the golden years of RTD of 2005 to 2010. So the writers want to give the Doctor a dark past once again (because the Moffat removed the Doctors guilt of killing his people). RTD is now trying to do the same thing. Forget about all those grifting channels talking about WOKE, the real issue is that RTD is trying to distance himself from the canon established since 2005, because he hoped he could get away with creating a new story. The idea that the Bigeneration is there to sepearte the Timelord Victorious from this new, refreshed Doctor with a newfound taste of adventure.
I can give Dr Who another few seasons as I did in 2005 (lets be honest the 2005 serial was equally bizzare). But in all honesty, I don't think that they can succeed (for me) and that is fine. Maybe it is time for me to move on, or give Dr Who a rest. The Hiatus did wonders for it in the 2000s. Maybe it can come back in full form later on.
Except he can still write good stories, he's just not amazing at endings. This isn't even remotely similar to Chibnall's era.
Why do people always have to try and find a way to blame Chibnall for everything? It frustrates me when I see that.
When do we get 15s sonic!!!? The whole 1st season is over and somehow nothing..
As a Doctor Who fan for roughly 45 years, I don't think I care anymore.
That’s nice boomer boy
@@chaserseven2886 You too may be old enough one day to no longer enjoy shit writing
@@chaserseven2886 That's Generation X. You're clueless in so very many ways.
Only now? This whole season has been the pure shiiiiite of a self indulgent dirty old man.
There have been unprecedented leaks of the plotlines of season 2 including the season finale. Is this an inevitable outcome of filming able to been seen by random people. And these leaks -- aren't even all that exciting.
I think the leaks are intentional. Just another way to keep people talking because Russell seems to think that's all that counts.
There's been no leaks, the only information we know is because of filming.
I never ever ever ever ever ever want them to explain ANY of those questions on 73 Yards. Its easily one of my favorite episodes of all time and i EMBRACE my confusion and i would ABSOLUTELY like the episode LESS if it was explained. I am 100% confident it would ruin the episode.
And let me be clear- i have some REALLY good theories. And i do WANT TO KNOW- i just dont want them to tell me.
I have MORE faith in RTD because of that episode than i would without it.
Yeah, but 73 yards is built around being a mystery episode that you will not know the answers to, and that's why it works. There's a big difference between not explaining a single mystery episode and not explaining the entire overarching plot of the season
I think that logic would work better on an episode that is not 73 Yards, which feels like it likely has a very simple explanation, but the writers can't work a way to fit any possible explanation into the series plotline so leave it blank - Leaving not a world of mystery but a single annoying hole.
@@zarrg5611 A SINGLE HOLE.
Where did the Doctor go, how did he come back, did you notice the world is back on track to be destroyed by Welsh nuclear weapons?
Single hole. You really don't get the application of logic.
@@troffle I fail to see your point, you are agreeing with me but think your disagreeing with me? The doctor vanishing would be explained if the nature of Ruby's adventure were known, there are multiple elements but one central hole. As far as Roger ap Gwilliam goes this is the elements that can be easiest explained. He always existed but was just a clangorous politician in the main timeline, something influenced him to have omnicidal obsessions in the altered one - the issue is everything else.
@@zarrg5611 Alright, I will be as straight-forward as I can to help you see the point.
If you think I'm agreeing with you, you need critical reading classes because you are so wrong in every aspect. I am very much disagreeing with you. For there to be "one central hole" in this plot, the hole would have to be Russell Davies and that is NOT any kind of joke. Both you and Davies's writing are absolutely brokenly mistaken.
You are absolutely wrong about Roger ap Gwilliam changing. You are also factually wrong about him having "influenced him to have omnicidal obsessions in the altered one". In the original opening moments 50s in, they say:
DOCTOR: Oh, bless him. Mind you, Roger ap Gwilliam. That's a bad example of the Welsh. Terrifying.
RUBY: Oh, yeah?
DOCTOR: The most dangerous Prime Minister in history. He led the world to the brink of nuclear... Wait, what year are you from?
RUBY: 2024.
DOCTOR: Oh. Yikes. Sorry, he was 2046. Sorry, spoilers. Forget I said anything
At the end, 44:30 in, they say:
DOCTOR: Oh, bless him. Mind you, Roger ap Gwilliam, that's a bad example of the Welsh. Terrifying. The most dangerous Prime Minister in history.
And then the story is interrupted. The lead-in is EXACTLY THE SAME. ap Gwilliam is EXACTLY THE SAME. So, HOLE.
Also, what was the ENTIRE POINT of breaking the circle to "release Mad Jack" as circle BROKEN OR NOT, RELEASED OR NOT, AP GWILLIAM WAS STILL GOING TO HIT THE NUKES. THAT'S A HOLE RIGHT THERE.
Also what kind of idiot trying to protect the world against "Mad Jack" uses STRING on a windswept height where animals could go any damn time? What kind of paper messages are going to survive those kinds of conditions, let alone a string circle?
So if the circle had nothing to do with it, WHAT MADE ANYTHING HAPPEN?
The Doctor vanishing makes no sense in any context. The point at which the Doctor disappears is 1m33s into the episode, WHILE THEY'RE SITTING THERE READING NOTES. AFTER the circle is broken. BEFORE the distant woman appears. At the end, 45m in, the woman is there for Ruby to see before the circle is broken. So, HOLE.
Not that it CAN be a changed history, because THE TARDIS IS STILL THERE. Why has the Doctor disappeared, but the TARDIS hasn't? So, HOLE.
And let's point out that the distant-woman-who-can't-be-Ruby has restored the world to the state where ap Gwilliam is on track to nuke the world in 2046. It's only in the changed history that Ruby herself stopped him.
So if it wasn't the circle, WHAT MADE THE DOCTOR DISAPPEAR?
You still haven't explained how supposedly-merely-old-Ruby can time travel, can teleport at the speed of a inter-city train, "perception filter" bedamned can perfectly measure a 73-yard distance and can work psychic fear past UNIT TRAINED DEFENCES. Or why she's able to resist freezing weather so well. Or can stand outside the whole days and nights while Ruby's in the guest house, without needing to eat, drink or use a bathroom. Or if it's an idiotic "perception filter" range, how it induces hatred of Ruby. Her effect on Ruby's mother started BEFORE THEY SPOKE, with "she looks like what she looks like".
You still haven't explained who the distant woman IS because IT CAN'T BE RUBY. So WHAT IS IT?
Or why she can't get back into the TARDIS. Nothing would have been lost from the story letting her in, she still could've been driven to return to society and get old. She can't use the TARDIS to search for anything or do anything.
Or for that matter, why everybody in a Welsh pub/guest house is going to be so incredibly sociopathic to a complete stranger, in such a perfectly co-ordinated manner.
I am really okay with being assertive about this, because before I do I make very sure to go back checking the video and the transcripts. Whereas you are demonstrably recorded to be factually wrong about this and the saddest thing is, you did so by making stuff up in your head. You don't for a second get to claim I'm agreeing with you, you are entirely WRONG. You need to learn to watch and read better.
This episode, this entire season, was absolute garbage. Every single episode of this entire disgusting season was just as full of holes and just as stupid.
Every week of this season, after watching one of these trash episodes, the housemate and I settled in to watch some of the 1970s episodes as a brain palate cleanser. Not only were the scripts tighter, not only was the story at least as engaging, there WEREN'T SO MANY HOLES and like in the very first days with Verity Lambert as producer, the scripts were meant for INTELLIGENT audiences with research put into every episode; whereas this stuff is for idiots who want to tell everybody that they're intelligent. In forty years, this show has turned into fodder for intellectual midgets and I want Russell Davies in prison. Anybody defending this trash needs a good long look in the mirror and into their very own hearts to start being more honest to realise why they should be so very ashamed of themselves.
I honestly believe season two will be much more open and clear. I’m looking at it as a two-series arc based on the information we have from interviews and season two filming so far.
Millie is back in at least three episodes. She has a new mysterious partner and we don’t know who her dad, Mr “William Garnet” is.
Mrs Flood has been seen in “Miami”.
I’m of the belief that season one will fit neater with the context of season two and everyone confused currently will get the pay off.
It was a two-series commission from Disney. So hopefully it’s a two series story.
I could be completely wrong. But I have more faith and belief than most in the programme I love.
The problem with that approach is that a lot of casual viewers may not want to come back for season 2 in case it's more of the same. I'm hoping for the best whilst preparing for the worst. It's like watching the Euros!
Huh? All filmed before the series just gone aired. If anything he will've doubled-down on everything that made the 2024 run so abysmal. He's an increasingly out-of-touch ageing gay man struggling for relevancy with a younger generation he has nothing in common with.
Apart from it already having been written and filmed, will you stand up and admit you were wrong if it goes the same way as the first?
Because like the early Doctors, I don't have faith. I look at what's happened to the show since 1963 and it has sunk all the way into hell.
It’s season one that will only be season one and two in an alternate reality - the crapverse?
Well not surprised. The fans getting fed up with what RTD has done this season, poor set ups and bad finales. And then added further anger with fans with the ludicrous comments he has come out with like the Richard E Grant Shalka Doctor, oh that was just a laugh and joke. Oh really, I see no one else laughing, thanks for that you absolute... And then saying oh the history is all over the place so I can do what I want. I just wish either he goes oh whats left of this show is cancelled and but out of its misery.
The fourth wall breaks definitely do not need explaining - in a show like this I don't think narrative devices need a hard sci-fi explanation, this is a fairy tale. There are some elements of RTD's writing this era that has been a bit weak, especially in the finale, but I do like certain parts of the series just being a bit mysterious, like 73 Yards and its subsequent mythology surrounding Ap Gwilliam etc.
I think the 4th wall breaks are just there to demonstrate the character’s power, and show what they’re like. For example, Maestro is a god, so they are aware they’re in a show illustrating how strong they are. A similar thing is probably going on with Mrs. Flood.
Maybe the shows already cancelled for season 3 and could be the reason why RTDs’ future planned explanations may not be forthcoming…
It's not getting cancelled anytime soon, and RTD has already confirmed he's writing Season 3.
@@friendlyotaku9525 Writing means nothing. Wake me when it's renewed after another season of performance as bad as this.
i don't really get why people are upset about this. we don't know why the doctor keeps breaking the 4th wall, we can just assume they're smart enough to know they're in a show. i see mrs. flood's 4th wall breaks as the same thing, being the doctor's equal in intellect but also being possibly just a bit more silly and goofy. a bit of a goober, if you will.
also, i've seen a few people misconstruing this, thinking that mrs. flood's IDENTITY won't be explained. that's ridiculous, and it seems like a consistently and increasingly larger part of this fanbase just doesn't pay attention.
It's not this news alone that is upsetting people it's this news combined with the fact that most of season 1 wasn't explained. We never figured out why Ruby makes it snow. We never figured out why Sutkeh was so interested in her mum. We never found out why Ruby was the only human in existence that could resist Maestro. A lot of people have been holding out hope that this is a 2 part season and that season 2 will explain what happened in season 1 but after Russel did this interview saying he is just going to do things and not explain them a lot of that hope has been crushed. Things like fourth wall breaks and 73 yards don't need explaining, but having the entire overarching plot of the season not be explained is just a failure in writing.
Yeah, so long as Mrs Flood’s identity is revealed, I’ll be OK. And this can be in general terms: she could be “a god” or “a time lord” for example, without necessarily being a specific god or time lord that we’ve heard of before. Gods and time lords can break the 4th wall, and have done so before. I’m fine with that.
What I’m less fine with is violating the requirements of a genre. Like, if there’s a murder and a detective shows up, you can see that you’re watching a mystery. If the detective searches a place and finds a conspicuous matchbook, that matchbook is a Clue. It might be important to identifying the killer, or it might be a red herring, but by the *we will know.* That is, in a mystery, the clues are explained, and used to show what really happened, even if part of that is “Mrs. Foo was having an affair with Mr. Bar, and that’s why a matchbook from Mr. Bar’s hotel was in her room, and the fact that she was in that hotel room woohooing with Mr Bar when the murder happened means neither of them was the killer.” If instead at the end aliens show up, tell the detective that the murder victim was an alien criminal in disguise, then beam away, then you weren’t actually watching a mystery after all-you were watching a (bad) sci fi story.
Note that subverting the rules of a genre is fine. Many great mysteries do that, as do many great Doctor Who stories. “Dot and Bubble” wonderfully subverts how a typical Doctor Who story of that type normally works. You watch the story go off the rails and look back and see the derail was always there on the track the whole time but you didn’t notice it. Not every attempt at this works as well though.
> we can just assume they're smart enough to know they're in a show
Meaning he knows there's no real danger and therefore doesn't have to do anything. You really didn't think this through, did you?
@@jasonlescalleet5611 > “Dot and Bubble” wonderfully subverts
You mean the asinine stupidity of a computer growing GIANT MOBILE SLUGS TO COVERTLY KILL AN ENTIRE POPULATION SLOWLY AND GRADUALLY WHEN THE DOTS COULD HAVE DONE IT ALL IMMEDIATELY?
Have you ever tried thinking?
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show, I should really just relax".
-- Joel Hodgson (MST3k Theme Song)