Hi there, thank you for your review and we appreciate your feedback. Regarding some issues you mentioned, we would love to clarify them. Regarding the voice control limitation, in order to be able to record for a longer time at a high resolution/frame rate, Osmo Action 4 will turn off voice control at this time. For the video deletion, you can click on the left side of the corresponding video in the playback section to delete the video, it does not require 7 steps to do so. And since the lens has a certain thickness and is not 100% light-transmitting, therefore, when the light passes through the lens, optical refraction and reflection will occur. This is an optical phenomenon. Thank you for your attention and your support.
Question: As to the availability of higher FPS (say 120 or 240) in 4K Resolution, will this be made possible thru a software update or do we need to wait for the OA5 to realize/experience this? A reply will be much appreciated. Thanx.
Nothing mysterious about the jitter in low light. The electronic stabilization attempts to reduce sharp movement between frames by translating frames to remove perceived motion (+ a crop to hide the edges of the frame). This works very well when each frame is sharp, as reframing is simple. Unfortunately in low light, shutter speed is reduced. This means that motion causes light sources to blur. Since the motion we're trying to stabilize is variable by definition (stable, consistent motion just feels like a gimbal shot) the amount of of blur is variable. When you align subsequent frames to reduce motion, all you're left with is the variable blur (which looks jittery, because it reflects the motion which is now removed). Only way around this is to make sure that light sources don't blur between frames, which means shooting at a higher shutter speed or using some sort of physical stabilization.
First off… You are awesome for this! Thank you for taking the time to add this kind of value. I’d love for you to come join the better buy community. The link is in my bio or you can go to “thebetterbuyguy.com” A few other people including DJI commented on this issue and one way to help is to use the lens “Guard” instead of the lens with the glass cover. DJI said this would improve the lowlight experience. Thanks again for your awesome explanation. Have a great day.
There are many videos that claims to tell "things you don´t know", and then it all ends up in a fanboy video. THIS on the other hand, feels authentic and real. Thank you!
In low light, set exposure to manual, lock shutter to double your frame rate, and then for ISO, scroll up the menu options until it allows you to set auto ISO adjustment for a range of your choice. Say 100-800. so, you keep the correct shutter speed and the camera adjust ISO accordingly. I think you'll find the ghosting is gone.
This is excellent advice and will go a long way to solving the problem. I normally do shutter and frame on manual as well as ISO, but was testing everything based on what a non tech consumer might experience with just using auto. I think many cause users will stick with auto, but your solutions certainly help with the issue. Several other people have commented about how the stabilization combined with the lowlight can also cause this issue so removing stabilization and not doing heavy moving shots as well as using just the lens guard help.
Please dont ever stop doing videos like this, you are the type of person we need. No bias fanboy crap, perfect review mate, keep them coming! You're channel still hasnt took off yet but keep doing this and you are going to crush it :D
Thanks for the support. It’s tough to keep up this content when buying your own products. Recently hit this issue head on. I think that’s why all these RUclipsrs have lost my trust. It’s just to easy to say good things about free stuff. It’s even harder to tell someone not to buy something when it costs you nothing.
Great video, wish I could give you a hundred likes. Much appreciated time you spend fully exploiting the good and the bad about the product and the process of use which most people don’t with their 4.2 min videos.
@thebetterbuy FYI: with the DJI Charger you can also put all 3 batteries in the Charger and have no battery in the Camera. Connect via USB-C Cable and you can film endlessly untill all 3 batteries are empty. Can't do that with a GoPro
That is the question I was hoping to answer, watching this video! I keep a gopro (well try to) running 8-10 hours and was looking to see if there was a similar way to do so with the dji. Looks like this dog will hunt!
The main problem with the screens and the random limitations is probably due to the processing power, GoPro had a big problem with not updating their processor and Dji just is maximizing the features to sell it
Exactly this. I was about to add a remark similar to yours before I saw it. It seems to me that GoPro are pushing the limits of their processors to the absolute limit, hence the overheating and freezing. Personally I'd much rather have compromises and reliability.
Thank you! For this comment. That is exactly my goal. I will stay true to that ethos even if it means growing slower and finding other ways to build this channel.
Unfortunately I’m filming my studio with the canon m50 ii and the 4k crop is too much for the space I have :( someday I would love to upgrade all of it.
I watched this before I bought the action 4 and am now watching it again after. I'm so beyond thrilled with this thing. I can't wait to learn it more and get the settings just right for my motorcycle channel. Thanks bro.
@@thebetterbuy funny u say that I just started watching and researching I knew I was going to need a new mic and il be investing in the DJI Mic 2 now. Thanks for the vid man appreciate the effort you put into it
The first accessories I purchased for it were combined ND and CPL filters. I wanted to retain motion blur in any situation. Great having an EV setting. The surprise came when I found that I could lock the shutter speed, and the second surprise that it is not a full manual mode, because ISO is set in ranges, and continues to adjust as in auto. A great function as long as you want that.
This is the type of reviewer video I love. Straight to the point and properly tested even showing the smaller details that may annoy you during normal use. Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to leave a supportive comment. Means the world for my channel. I’m glad this was helpful. Working on a similar review of the pocket. First impressions video is coming out shortly.
Regarding the ghosting effect, at least in the adventure pack (not sure about the default one), it contains a lens hood without the protecting glass that should help. Lens are less protected but light gets better captured. Also, as said in other comments, adjusting manually some parameters you get a very solid image quality. Cheers! Great review!
All of this is spot on. Several people in the comments helped out as well. Thank you for taking the time to share some tips that will help people. Always great to see these kinds of comments.
oh wow been watching a lot of videos on this DJI 3 and 4 vs the Gopro 11 and 12 and without a doubt the DJI 4 wins by a 100 yards and by the way your video was the most informative hands down... thank you so much for your time "you CRUSHED it."
Awesome!! That’s exactly why I’m doing this. I think the main reason others don’t explain why is because there’s is a promotional vide more than an informational video. They probably didn’t need a why, because it was sent to them.
That jitter in electronic stabilization in low light is a common problem on any form of digital stabilization (no matter the camera) where the shutter speed is not fast enough to produce a sharp image. What is happening is the camera is lowering the shutter speed (in auto mode) to allow as much light in which in turn is creating motion blur that goes against the direction of electronic stabilization to keep the frame locked. Things to try to over come this is to lock the shutter speed to 1/200 or higher - but in low light conditions, a shutter speed of 1/200 on these tiny sensors tends to have very high ISO which produces very noisy images which can also act against the digital stabilization.
First, thanks for being the kind of person who posts helpful comments. Love that. Some other people mentioned similar things and dji comments about using just the lens cover that downs that’s a lens added which helps lowlight performance :) hope this helps.
Hi, yes, I actually saw something new here that I didn't see in other reviews. I wouldn't necessarily always want to film myself in a video, I might want to show my viewers something I see and comment on it. You were the first to show what the built-in microphones sound from behind the camera. Thank you!
it's not glitching. Good to understand how stabilisation works. And film as it is. If single frame in low light needs longer shutter speed - frames are blurred by longer motion. And then software trying to stabilise these blurred frames into one place. That's the glitch. In low light you just need physical gimbal and better handheld technique. All Cameras still needs skilled operators ;)
Thanks for the comments. We worked all this out with DJI in the pinned comment. Everything you said is basically on point. The only thing you missed is that if you switch to just the lens guard it will improve the lowlight.
Thank you for the video, I just bought the action 4 over the GoPro 12 because of videos like yours. I like how you presented all the details good and not so good things. Keep up the good work!!
Very good and in-depth review! I bought the Action 4 about a week ago and I've done my fair share of research beforehand, and you're right! These were all points that no one really talked about. I found it very interesting! I am loving this camera and yes, it has some slight issues sometimes but overall it is a great deal. I'm mainly using it to record videos while cycling and even tho the wind noise reduction works pretty good, if you reach 35-40km/h it does become kinda hard to hear what I am saying. I put a piece of that cushy microphone cover thingy over the mics and will see if that helps reduce the wind noise. If not, I might have to buy their wireless mic in the future, but that is when I have financially recovered from purchasing the camera itself.
First. Thanks so much for commenting and sharing some great info for other people. Your biking experience and applications will help some people. After watching some other reviewers that used the wireless mics while electric skateboarding I can confidently say they will be a huge improvement, but obviously with a price.
I am no action camera pro, by any stretch of the imagination, but this video gave me more information I needed than any other review out there about action cameras!!! I'll definitely be watching more of your reviews in the future!!!
Thank you so much for taking the time to leave this positive comment. I’m stoked that this video helped you so much and I am confident my future videos will continue to deliver.
Yes your bang on the money with the white balance transition, The change is so good and gradual you really cannot tell-On most of my cams and dslr you noticed this change instantly for example moving the camera from ground to sky, Maybe its a subtle different type of exposure lock mechanism over a few seconds rather than 1 second if you know what i mean...Great accurate account of the dji action 4 cam....SUBBED and loved this video....
I'm so glad to find your channel, one of the best review that people barely see. and I like to support the time and insight your spend and sharing with us!!! it's really help decide my next purchase :D
7 taps for deleting footage - for me is an absolute non-issue unless you are really short on storage, I literally never delete things directly through the camera. My workflow is shoot, get home, plug camera into Mac, download everything to an external HD, go back to camera and delete everything. Then if necessary tap the clips you saved on your your computer and delete them that way either through Finder or directly in editing software.
Great video! I have been a die hard GoPro person but I did just buy a Action 4 based on videos like yours. So far I have been very pleased with it. Thanks! Keep up the good work.
Awesome!! So glad to hear it. I am confident you are going to love it so much more. Let me know if you have any issues or questions, several people in the comments have already been very kind and helpful
Hi! Thanks for this video, i’m a super happy owner of an OA4 since a week now not really tested it properly but tomorrow i’ll be on vacation in dolomites for some exciting gravel and mountain bike rides and there will be e a real test for the OA4! Some side notes on your video, the other cap you have with the adventure combo (which i have) is a lens hood and NOT another lens cover so be aware of that because with the lens hood the camera is not water proof, what you see in low light situation (jittering and so on) is the stabilizer that struggles in low light, i saw in other videos that removing the lens cover improve the stabilization i will give it a try soon, i made some night walk in my city to test the low light performance and i can say if you stay steady and make some pan/tilt shoots it is INSANELY GOOD! The amount of light captured is phenomenal but as you start walking it struggles a lot… (because of the combination of EIS and mainly for the optical flow as the camera try to find some high contrast points) but i will test soon to shoot without the stabilization and stabilize it later on gyroflow as the OA4, with some resolution,record the gyroscope data you can use later on. This is my very first proper action cam (i already have an insta go 2 which i will use for the “impossible” shoots) and i completely agree with you, nevermind if the GP12 will shoot in 64k at 640fps at 100bit will stick with dji as it fits perfectly my needs. Cheers from Roma Italy from a new subscriber!
You make some good points, but the GP12 looks a lot better in a side by side comparison when filming. Would you say that's accurate or is the DJI filming quality still really good? I don't want sub par footage.
Thanks for the comment. So my conclusion for quality is that the GP will edge out the DJI by a small margin, but it comes at a cost. If image quality is all you care about then maybe the GP is the one for you, but I truly don’t think the consumer will be able to tell the difference between the 2 cameras unless being asked to “spot the difference” which is why I say usability for DJI gives it the win.
I think a lot of folks who are action camera shopping, especially first timers like myself, have quickly come to the conclusion (based on TONS of reviews) that the Go Pros aren't worth it. So many shoppers are looking more between the Action 4 and the Action 3 (Or Insta 360 X3). A couple things I discovered this morning when doing final research before dropping the hammer on an Action 3 bundle (I didn't) that I haven't seen many people discuss is that the bluetooth remote only works with the 4 (and apparently can't wake the camera) and also the 4 can accept 512gb sd cards versus only 256 on the 3.
I want to amend my info here. I ended up returning the DJI and going with the Hero 10. Having to sideload DJI's questionable software like that is not secure and not acceptable. Third parties have assessed MIMO and determined that it contains too many security threats and allows too many broad permisions to be trustworthy so I opted not to allow it on my phone which, like anyone else's contains payment methods and passwords. GoPro's QUIK app is at least trustworthy enough to stay listed on Apple and Google's app stores which means it has been SOMEWHAT vetted vs DJI being able to do just whatever they want with their own software package distributed from their own site.
@@THEUrinalCake woh. That’s some great info for everyone. I’ve had the mimo software so long I didn’t even go through that process. But cyber security is becoming more important in these modern times.
Hello, 1. which power bank does action 4 support (like what wattage etc)? 2. Where do we have to plug in the type C of power bank whether directly into the action4 or mic adapter of action4 ??
Ghostless stabilization needs a minimum of 1/100 shutter speed. The ghosting that appears in low-light is due to the fact that the processor can not stitch the taken shutter frames together good enough because of the lack of contrast/lightig/edge-detection in the picture frames that come from the shutter. My recommendation is to use a gimbal in those conditions and turn of the integrated stabilization.
Thanks for sharing seven things that people don't know. And I didn't about #1, the screen limitation. I didn't realization you could use one screen at a time. I don't have the Action 4 yet, but if I decide to get one I will save your video and rewatch it again as I'm setting up the camera for the first time. Thanks for sharing.
This was such an in depth review! I’m blown away and definitely have a better idea of the options available. I lost my gopro 7 after a tumble on the slopes during a heavy powder day - disappeared in the snow before I even saw it come off! Does anyone know how solid the magnetic attachment is for the action 4? Kinda stressed about losing another action camera, now. Great review, unbiased and straight forward, subscribed and excited for new content
Thanks so much for the positive feedback. You should come join the community - thebetterbuyguy.com The magnetic mounts are very solid in the grip. The magnets are only for guiding the mount points to the right location. I have not done extensive testing on that, but I can say it is securely mounted. Though slamming into the snow, could knock it loose. Obviously depends on the impact.
Honestly most of things you mentioned its none of the importance to me 🤣 I can easily live with that. And although DJI states that it performs well in low light, action cameras should NEVER be considered as tool for low light its simple as that. Very nice review and thumbs up for honesty 🙏🙏
You crushed it! And I appreciate direct buying advice rather than letting the audience choose. Also, I love unique issues no one is talking about. Great action cam but don't fall under the advertising spell - like the new big sensor is awesome in low light - it better but has a way to go.
Thank you for taking the time to post a positive comment. I know most of the time we watch a video. Get what we came for and move on. So I truly appreciate all of the comments. I’m trying to build a different kind of channel and community with the better buy. Looking forward to watching it grow.
@@thebetterbuy usually I move on with bigger channels that have several hundred comments or more because I figure no one will ever read them. But with smaller channels, it’s a chance to engage more directly in the Contant and exchange ideas and thoughts and especially perspective.
@@pcofranc I love that. I’m hoping I can maintain that level of productive conversation in the comments as I grow. I’m doing my best to get to every comment everyday :) for now it’s possible… :)
i have the camera and there is no camera with a sensor of that sizes that can handle a low light situation, all of them are bad. Ghosting thing it is an issue when you have stabilization at low shutter speed, of course low speed more light, we have 2 options, get a gimbal and turn off stabilization and horizon thing or race the shutter speed and find a light where you can record the video, either way you need something that can illuminate you. Yes we will love something really good in low light but they are action cameras, they are not to meant to perform 100% in low light and i thing dji is doing a great job. I love your idea of format card or delete right in the menus and if you want to use both screen at high resolution turn d-log on it will let you, great video keep it up
Amazing review. I was already leaning towards getting the Action4 but you sealed it for me. Bummed out about the low light but still excited. Thanks for going through all the options and making us aware of the limitations.
Thanks man! I’m glad this was helpful. Also some goodnews. A few people have some tips in the comments to help with lowlight, one is use the lens guard instead of the lens cover, so more light gets in and then others said turn off stabilization and obviously modify shutter and fps as well as ISO for best results. A little more work and some limitations, but the lowlight can be improved a little.
Technically if you dropped it just right and it hit one of the side release buttons and the camera at the same time you might be able to do it, but that is fairly unlikely x
Any issues with transcoding once downloaded to app or any export failure? I can't save anything in good quality and work on it as some codec seems to missing so phone won't play recording video at all...
I think the extra lens protector is actually NO lens protection and removes the glass for better low light performance. Great video showing some of the oddities of the camera. Sounds like a firmware update will fix these. This is my first action camera ahead of a vacation and for me it easily replaces is Osmo Pocket II. Why not format from the settings menu versus delete all footage? FYI: Slow motion has no audio or stabilization.
You are correct on the lens hood. Thanks so much for mentioning that. Totally misunderstood that part. You could format after offloading, it would save you a couple taps, I tend to delete regularly and format for issues. Also if you film the slow motion using the normal settings you get sound and stabilization so it wouldn’t make since to me to film in slow motion without audio or stabilization, in case you wanted it later.
@@thebetterbuy maybe mobile editing because the slow motion video is saved automatically as 30 fps… No need to interpret footage. Otherwise… No idea. I used both this weekend to see the difference
@@SchuylerOrtega I bet it’s got to have something to do with preprocessing the footage for mobile stuff or faster use in post. I just wouldn’t do it, cause I like to speed ramp and have audio for in and out transitions.
@@thebetterbuy same here but while traveling or for a story or something, prob good enough. So far the Osmo Action is perfect for what I’m after. My most recent upload was shot exclusively with it.
I'm so glad to find your video, this help me greatly. i saw tons of action 4 and they tell almost the same thing, like they are selling a product, and your video is what user like me find it very useful
My camera choices were Action 4, GoPro 12, Insta 360 Ace Pro and Pocket 3. GoPro was absolute no due to reliability issues. Ace Pro was a no due to close focus distance being a bit soft vs clarity (in most reviews I watched). Pocket 3 was an unfortunate no due to screen rotation issues seen in more and more reports. Action 4 was my ultimate choice.
Most informative. I'm looking to buy an action cam, you certainly made me think again about the acgion 4. I nearly bought the go pro 12. Thanks again.😊
I own this camera and I am trying to learn as much as I can about it. I have owned it for about two weeks at this point. I'm going on vacation soon and plan on recording a lot so, I have been trying all the settings trying to see what works best in different scenarios. The thing that I have noticed and bothers me the most is how grainy some of the footage looks while filming indoors. Any tips to clear that up?
First thank you for the comment. Here’s some lowlight tips. Remove, the lens and put just the lens guard on. Drop your fps and shutter speed to as low as you can. Avoid a lot of motion and turn off stabilization if possible. Other than that, add as much light to the scene as you can and understand it’s still a small sensor with limited lowlight capabilities.
@@onepointeight some people have offered some solutions in the comments. One is I’m using the lens guard instead of the cover, the other solutions deal with fps shutter and stabilization.
I think having the top view of your hands gesturing on screen the whole time is a little more distracting than it needs to be. Maybe because it's a mirrored image of the front view. It's like, opposing motion between the two views. Personally, I would just go full screen with the front view until we need to see the table.
Thank you for your constructive criticism. People don’t always take the time to share helpful criticism and I appreciate it. You are the 4th person to mention it and likely many more didn’t take the time. My next major video will have a filler screen for this very reason. :)
Really appreciate this in depth and honest review! I recently killed my GoPro hero8 and was more than bummed to learn none of my “issues” with that camera had been fixed even in the newer 12 model. Having a trip next month that includes Zion NP and Havasu Falls I need to get a new action camera and after this video I will be ordering a DJI in the morning.
awesome! That’s the goal of the videos. Thanks for taking the time to share your story as well. I’m working on some new content and this kind of comment keeps me motivated.
@@thebetterbuy I knew it! That’s a runners body. I used to run 5k a day that gave me a lot of dopamine. Now I have degenerative authrits after the intense PT. I hope I can slowly come back to running.
@@kuang01oh wow. Sorry about the arthritis that’s terrible. I’m up to 40-50 miles a week right now. Working towards a sub 18 5k and aiming to go sub 17 by next September.
you WERE right about all these issues, I hope they can address them later in the firmware update.. also no one is talking about lack of documentations for dlog-m mode and I have tons of questions about it. The official site posted 1 LUT file and that's it, and I find it not useful as it dims my videos all the time.
Great point about the log profiles. I’m not planning on using the log. More interested in a streamlined experience, but I’ll be curious to see how that changes or improves.
Overheating comment: I needed an action cam that could record in a hot cockpit since I like filming when I fly (old Piper, no AC, so gets really hot in summer with little/no air circulation). Recorded an hour at 1080p with no issue. Will try higher res next time.
Great to know. Thanks for sharing. Some other channels did some controlled tests that I saw after and were able to get it to overheat while stationary, at the higher resolutions and frame rates. Just fyi. Not a typical use situations.
Could you try recording in one of the settings I mentioned and tell me if it doesn’t do it, because it seems like that is a standard feature of the camera for now, probably limited by processor. If yours doesn’t do it then that would be very interesting. 4k 120 or 1080 120 in 16x9 should block one of your screens once you hit record.
Oops... hahahhaha I did mean Action4. Kept having 3 brands in my mind until i mention Action3. LOL. Yup, it's the Action4 Adventure package that attracted me. 🤤
Usually the glitching is from the shutter speed and stabilisation. Electronic stabilisation needs shutter speeds starting from 1/200 or more as the 180° rule does not work with EIS. My sony FDR X3000 is destroying both the gopro 11 and all the DJI's at low light because it has optical stabilisation. Yeahh... an action camera from 2016 is better at low light. Try 1/200 shutter and see what happens. If that does not work, turn off electronic stabilisation and use a ghimbal for low light. Even if you use the auto setting, in low light the EIS will damage the image quality.
This is what I figured was happening, a conflict of needs for the camera. I’m not going to be doing lowlight with this, so I don’t need to worry about it, but I wanted to test everything to see. Thanks for sharing your solution as it may help other people who are looking for a solution,
Well, optical stabe has wobble if there’s too much action. Fast walking on FDR x3000 already shows wobble in the corners, what more if it’s used for extreme actions. So i think it’s just right that gopro and dji uses electronic stabe, it will be better for more scenarios. And yes, a gimbal could help minimize those jitters. Our hope for low light is to wish that dji/gopro could make bigger sensor/bigger aperture, though at one point they’ll need to introduce autofocus to be able to continue doing that.
@@thebetterbuy Glad you are a rider. Every person should at least try a motorcycle for a change. On a side note, the Hayabusa is way too much fun to ride. Never rode a 400, so I don't know. Ridden a 500F, ZX6R, 10R, R1, ZX14 and now I have the '99 Hayabusa since autum of 2015. Was checking out the Action 4 as I do have a passion for video cameras hopeing that maybe "next year" I will change my FDR X3000. So far nothing is worth that for my way of using the cameras. For me is set it and forget it. Sure, I would like better stabilisation and horizon lock but, most of all I need the camera to be dependable and take external power and microphone in at the same time. This is a must for me. The X3000 has a mic jack, mini HDMI and tripod mount... so, it's kind of hard to let go. No 4K 60 but that XAVC 1080p is just great and at a bit rate high enough that you can upscale to 4K. Don't plan to shoot in 4K as it takes way to much space. I shoot for hours as you never know what landscape is presented to you after the next curve while motorcycle traveling in foreign countries. Low light is good to have when walking the streets of a town or even visiting a museum. Sometimes we only stay for a single night in a city so it's a shame to have to leave without some videos from there. The X3000 is good for that. Way better the what gopro and DJI have been putting out so far. I won't take a conventional camera with lens with me because of luggage space constraints and also because it complicates my life.
@@kean4582 True, but imagine both optical and digital stabilisation. They have the tech but it cuts into their profits. Optical is superior but hardware is costly. Phones have sensor shift stabilisation. It also appeared in mirrorless cameras, even full frame ones. We shall see...
The screen unlock issue is the only bothering one - all others are pretty fine for me haha. My lil guy arrives next week - can't keep calm to get my hands on it :) PS - A video on Action 4 accessories please.
Awesome. You’re gonna love it. Ps I don’t really use any accessories outside of what comes with it and standard GoPro mount options. I would recommend the DJI mics though. From what I have seen of other reviews those take it to a much better audio for vlogging and easily work with the action 4.
I really like still shots as well when we are on holidays and do a lot of snorkelling/scuba/water activities as i find we tend to look at the photos more so than the videos. Dont want footage or photos for posting, just for personal viewing. What would you recommend. Would the DJI suit for this this purpose or is it more for video rather than photos.
Technically speaking go pro has higher specs for still shots, but as far as action cameras go if that is your quality expectation I think you will be more than happy with the actions’s photos.
All the odd things this camera does drives me crazy. One thing that bothers me is if you do a livestream with a external mic the signal gets picked up and clicks in the audio the whole stream. Also the menu system is messy, like why is stabilization and pov in 2 seperate spots, lol.
Great info and points. Maybe DJI will see this and make some modifications. I’m always amazed at how different people’s use cases lead to unknown issues.
I was trying to read every comment before I posted, but I'm running out of time. 😂 I was researching the OAC3 when I came across your channel. Is the magnet mount on these solid? I've lost the same gp 3 times, luckily found each time. Each time was a different failure in the way I had it mounted. I'll look to see if you have a video of the OAC3 VS OAC4, but so far I haven't seen anything worth the price difference for me. I know I'm DONE with gp! Liked, commented and subscribed!
Magnet mount is super solid. The magnets only guide. The actual latching mechanism is dependable. Personally I’d still go with the action 4 because it can connect to the new dji mic 2 with Bluetooth and that could be very useful.
I do not know the answer to this one. I returned my action 4 and stuck with the insta360 go 3 instead. Someone in www.thebetterbuyguy.com community might know. Come check it out. You are more likely to get a response there.
Fantastic review and man, you are running on the right track with this channel. Great format, superbly detailed and great footage examples. Subscribed!
Hi there, thank you for your review and we appreciate your feedback. Regarding some issues you mentioned, we would love to clarify them.
Regarding the voice control limitation, in order to be able to record for a longer time at a high resolution/frame rate, Osmo Action 4 will turn off voice control at this time.
For the video deletion, you can click on the left side of the corresponding video in the playback section to delete the video, it does not require 7 steps to do so.
And since the lens has a certain thickness and is not 100% light-transmitting, therefore, when the light passes through the lens, optical refraction and reflection will occur. This is an optical phenomenon.
Thank you for your attention and your support.
This is great!! Thanks for stopping by and helping people out. I’m going to pin your comment so other people can see the explanation and solutions.
Question: As to the availability of higher FPS (say 120 or 240) in 4K Resolution, will this be made possible thru a software update or do we need to wait for the OA5 to realize/experience this?
A reply will be much appreciated. Thanx.
@@Grandpa_Bangge so the action 4 already does 4k 120 and it’s great. 240 is in 1080P and DJI won’t likely answer questions about future products ;)
@@thebetterbuy
Thank you for the reply. Waiting for the next video.
THANKS! Now I know that you were not really paid by DJi! LOL. Good job! 👍
Nothing mysterious about the jitter in low light. The electronic stabilization attempts to reduce sharp movement between frames by translating frames to remove perceived motion (+ a crop to hide the edges of the frame). This works very well when each frame is sharp, as reframing is simple. Unfortunately in low light, shutter speed is reduced. This means that motion causes light sources to blur. Since the motion we're trying to stabilize is variable by definition (stable, consistent motion just feels like a gimbal shot) the amount of of blur is variable.
When you align subsequent frames to reduce motion, all you're left with is the variable blur (which looks jittery, because it reflects the motion which is now removed). Only way around this is to make sure that light sources don't blur between frames, which means shooting at a higher shutter speed or using some sort of physical stabilization.
Great video btw!
First off… You are awesome for this! Thank you for taking the time to add this kind of value. I’d love for you to come join the better buy community. The link is in my bio or you can go to “thebetterbuyguy.com”
A few other people including DJI commented on this issue and one way to help is to use the lens “Guard” instead of the lens with the glass cover. DJI said this would improve the lowlight experience.
Thanks again for your awesome explanation. Have a great day.
There are many videos that claims to tell "things you don´t know", and then it all ends up in a fanboy video. THIS on the other hand, feels authentic and real. Thank you!
Thank you. That was my goal.
In low light, set exposure to manual, lock shutter to double your frame rate, and then for ISO, scroll up the menu options until it allows you to set auto ISO adjustment for a range of your choice. Say 100-800. so, you keep the correct shutter speed and the camera adjust ISO accordingly. I think you'll find the ghosting is gone.
This is excellent advice and will go a long way to solving the problem. I normally do shutter and frame on manual as well as
ISO, but was testing everything based on what a non tech consumer might experience with just using auto. I think many cause users will stick with auto, but your solutions certainly help with the issue. Several other people have commented about how the stabilization combined with the lowlight can also cause this issue so removing stabilization and not doing heavy moving shots as well as using just the lens guard help.
Please dont ever stop doing videos like this, you are the type of person we need. No bias fanboy crap, perfect review mate, keep them coming! You're channel still hasnt took off yet but keep doing this and you are going to crush it :D
Thanks for the support. It’s tough to keep up this content when buying your own products. Recently hit this issue head on. I think that’s why all these RUclipsrs have lost my trust. It’s just to easy to say good things about free stuff. It’s even harder to tell someone not to buy something when it costs you nothing.
Great video, wish I could give you a hundred likes.
Much appreciated time you spend fully exploiting the good and the bad about the product and the process of use which most people don’t with their 4.2 min videos.
@thebetterbuy FYI: with the DJI Charger you can also put all 3 batteries in the Charger and have no battery in the Camera. Connect via USB-C Cable and you can film endlessly untill all 3 batteries are empty. Can't do that with a GoPro
I did not know that. Thanks so much for sharing that bit of information. Some people are going to love to find that out.
That is the question I was hoping to answer, watching this video! I keep a gopro (well try to) running 8-10 hours and was looking to see if there was a similar way to do so with the dji. Looks like this dog will hunt!
The main problem with the screens and the random limitations is probably due to the processing power, GoPro had a big problem with not updating their processor and Dji just is maximizing the features to sell it
Exactly this. I was about to add a remark similar to yours before I saw it. It seems to me that GoPro are pushing the limits of their processors to the absolute limit, hence the overheating and freezing. Personally I'd much rather have compromises and reliability.
Thank you for jumping in. I think this is good helpful information. Keep it up.
Thank you! Everyone seems to be bought and paid for besides you...
Thank you! For this comment. That is exactly my goal. I will stay true to that ethos even if it means growing slower and finding other ways to build this channel.
I like this video 99%, the 1% that I don't like is that you chose to film in 1080p witch on my 5k monitor looks really bad, please shoot 4k next time.
Unfortunately I’m filming my studio with the canon m50 ii and the 4k crop is too much for the space I have :( someday I would love to upgrade all of it.
I watched this before I bought the action 4 and am now watching it again after. I'm so beyond thrilled with this thing. I can't wait to learn it more and get the settings just right for my motorcycle channel. Thanks bro.
That’s awesome. You should check out the dji mic 2 as well.
@@thebetterbuy funny u say that I just started watching and researching I knew I was going to need a new mic and il be investing in the DJI Mic 2 now. Thanks for the vid man appreciate the effort you put into it
@@AC-Ninja awesome. Check out my playlist for a ton of audio tests and info.
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The first accessories I purchased for it were combined ND and CPL filters. I wanted to retain motion blur in any situation. Great having an EV setting. The surprise came when I found that I could lock the shutter speed, and the second surprise that it is not a full manual mode, because ISO is set in ranges, and continues to adjust
as in auto. A great function as long as you want that.
This is som great stuff! Thanks for sharing.
This is the type of reviewer video I love. Straight to the point and properly tested even showing the smaller details that may annoy you during normal use. Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to leave a supportive comment. Means the world for my channel. I’m glad this was helpful. Working on a similar review of the pocket. First impressions video is coming out shortly.
@@thebetterbuy I am subscribed and will be checking it out. 😊
Regarding the ghosting effect, at least in the adventure pack (not sure about the default one), it contains a lens hood without the protecting glass that should help. Lens are less protected but light gets better captured. Also, as said in other comments, adjusting manually some parameters you get a very solid image quality. Cheers! Great review!
All of this is spot on. Several people in the comments helped out as well. Thank you for taking the time to share some tips that will help people. Always great to see these kinds of comments.
oh wow been watching a lot of videos on this DJI 3 and 4 vs the Gopro 11 and 12 and without a doubt the DJI 4 wins by a 100 yards and by the way your video was the most informative hands down... thank you so much for your time "you CRUSHED it."
Thanks for the support and encouragement. The camera is also on sale for the next couple days. $100 off if you are thinking about it.
I watched many reviews, yours actually answered my question. I love that you make a choice and explain why. I hate when the audience is left hanging.
Awesome!! That’s exactly why I’m doing this. I think the main reason others don’t explain why is because there’s is a promotional vide more than an informational video. They probably didn’t need a why, because it was sent to them.
That jitter in electronic stabilization in low light is a common problem on any form of digital stabilization (no matter the camera) where the shutter speed is not fast enough to produce a sharp image. What is happening is the camera is lowering the shutter speed (in auto mode) to allow as much light in which in turn is creating motion blur that goes against the direction of electronic stabilization to keep the frame locked. Things to try to over come this is to lock the shutter speed to 1/200 or higher - but in low light conditions, a shutter speed of 1/200 on these tiny sensors tends to have very high ISO which produces very noisy images which can also act against the digital stabilization.
First, thanks for being the kind of person who posts helpful comments. Love that. Some other people mentioned similar things and dji comments about using just the lens cover that downs that’s a lens added which helps lowlight performance :) hope this helps.
Hi, yes, I actually saw something new here that I didn't see in other reviews. I wouldn't necessarily always want to film myself in a video, I might want to show my viewers something I see and comment on it. You were the first to show what the built-in microphones sound from behind the camera. Thank you!
That’s awesome!! Glad this was helpful!
Correction, in the playback menu click on the 3 dot and delete to delete any footage. it takes 4 tap
That would delete just one clip, if you wanted to delete them all you’d still need to tap all the way through like I showed. Am I wrong on that?
Thank you for your honest, unbiased view. Videos like that are rare nowadays!
Thank you!! Comments like this are why I started this channel. On a mission.
Great coverage, thank you for this. Barely can find any videos with a critical review of this cam.
Thank you for taking the time to comment! It helps me and my channel. I want to continue to deliver high value content.
it's not glitching. Good to understand how stabilisation works. And film as it is. If single frame in low light needs longer shutter speed - frames are blurred by longer motion. And then software trying to stabilise these blurred frames into one place. That's the glitch. In low light you just need physical gimbal and better handheld technique. All Cameras still needs skilled operators ;)
Thanks for the comments. We worked all this out with DJI in the pinned comment. Everything you said is basically on point. The only thing you missed is that if you switch to just the lens guard it will improve the lowlight.
Oh my... such happy kids you have there, at the ending of the video. 😊❤
You are so kind. Cool to hear you watched till the end.
I love how fast you get this info out - finally a video i don't have to skip through constantly - sub'd
Thanks so much!! Working so hard to keep that the focus. Value and info first. Demos second.
Didn't know about the 7 steps for deleting. Wow. But everything else seems great. Excited to work on mine. Thank you for this comprehensive video.
Glad it helped! That’s awesome!
You have to change settings to keep both screens open
Yes. It won’t work in 4k 60
EXCELLENT video, thank you for all of the information.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and support. Ifyou loved this, you’ll love www.thebetterbuyguy.com community.
Come check us out.
Gotta say man you deffo hit on a lot of points not mentioned in ANY other vid , you lifted my game & got my sub , cheers
awesome!!! I love that this helped. I've got some big plans for the coming months. :)
@thebetterbuy Cool, would really be interested in some Action 4 helmet cam tips & trix 🤙
@@SwenglishSteve650 my next action stuff won’t be till summer, but I’m planning on getting whatever the new one is and that should be good!
Thank you for the video, I just bought the action 4 over the GoPro 12 because of videos like yours. I like how you presented all the details good and not so good things.
Keep up the good work!!
Thank you for taking the time to leave a positive comment. It’s responses like yours that make me want to make more videos :)
i didnt even realize that dji made a comment on your video .there you go.honest feedback all the way is what people want
Awesome! Thanks for the support.
Very good and in-depth review! I bought the Action 4 about a week ago and I've done my fair share of research beforehand, and you're right! These were all points that no one really talked about. I found it very interesting! I am loving this camera and yes, it has some slight issues sometimes but overall it is a great deal. I'm mainly using it to record videos while cycling and even tho the wind noise reduction works pretty good, if you reach 35-40km/h it does become kinda hard to hear what I am saying. I put a piece of that cushy microphone cover thingy over the mics and will see if that helps reduce the wind noise. If not, I might have to buy their wireless mic in the future, but that is when I have financially recovered from purchasing the camera itself.
First. Thanks so much for commenting and sharing some great info for other people. Your biking experience and applications will help some people. After watching some other reviewers that used the wireless mics while electric skateboarding I can confidently say they will be a huge improvement, but obviously with a price.
I am no action camera pro, by any stretch of the imagination, but this video gave me more information I needed than any other review out there about action cameras!!! I'll definitely be watching more of your reviews in the future!!!
Thank you so much for taking the time to leave this positive comment. I’m stoked that this video helped you so much and I am confident my future videos will continue to deliver.
the random limitations you mentioned about the screens are unique as you asked, review is epic, keep up the great work!
Thanks a ton! I’ve got a big new video almost done. And am working on the next.
Thanks for your honesty !
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Yes your bang on the money with the white balance transition, The change is so good and gradual you really cannot tell-On most of my cams and dslr you noticed this change instantly for example moving the camera from ground to sky, Maybe its a subtle different type of exposure lock mechanism over a few seconds rather than 1 second if you know what i mean...Great accurate account of the dji action 4 cam....SUBBED and loved this video....
Thanks so much! Want to keep doing this!
Long video but well worth it. I learned a lot about the Action 4 and enjoyed the video samples.
Awesome! I’m glad this was helpful and worth it!
I'm so glad to find your channel, one of the best review that people barely see. and I like to support the time and insight your spend and sharing with us!!! it's really help decide my next purchase :D
Awesome!! Comments like this are exactly why I started this channel.
Thank you for the in depth review. The lock screen info was new to me as was the low light info.
Glad this helped!
7 taps for deleting footage - for me is an absolute non-issue unless you are really short on storage, I literally never delete things directly through the camera. My workflow is shoot, get home, plug camera into Mac, download everything to an external HD, go back to camera and delete everything. Then if necessary tap the clips you saved on your your computer and delete them that way either through Finder or directly in editing software.
I hear you on this. I do this process regularly and that’s why it was a bigger issue for me.
Great video! I have been a die hard GoPro person but I did just buy a Action 4 based on videos like yours. So far I have been very pleased with it. Thanks! Keep up the good work.
Awesome!! So glad to hear it. I am confident you are going to love it so much more. Let me know if you have any issues or questions, several people in the comments have already been very kind and helpful
Hi! Thanks for this video, i’m a super happy owner of an OA4 since a week now not really tested it properly but tomorrow i’ll be on vacation in dolomites for some exciting gravel and mountain bike rides and there will be e a real test for the OA4! Some side notes on your video, the other cap you have with the adventure combo (which i have) is a lens hood and NOT another lens cover so be aware of that because with the lens hood the camera is not water proof, what you see in low light situation (jittering and so on) is the stabilizer that struggles in low light, i saw in other videos that removing the lens cover improve the stabilization i will give it a try soon, i made some night walk in my city to test the low light performance and i can say if you stay steady and make some pan/tilt shoots it is INSANELY GOOD! The amount of light captured is phenomenal but as you start walking it struggles a lot… (because of the combination of EIS and mainly for the optical flow as the camera try to find some high contrast points) but i will test soon to shoot without the stabilization and stabilize it later on gyroflow as the OA4, with some resolution,record the gyroscope data you can use later on. This is my very first proper action cam (i already have an insta go 2 which i will use for the “impossible” shoots) and i completely agree with you, nevermind if the GP12 will shoot in 64k at 640fps at 100bit will stick with dji as it fits perfectly my needs.
Cheers from Roma Italy from a new subscriber!
Love all the good information in this post. Thank you for taking the time to share it for other people. Thanks for the sub too.
I have just purchased my Dji4 coming today you have loads of knowledge and I can’t wait to watch more of your videos👌🏽
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment! I’m glad you benefited from my video and hope to help you out more.
You make some good points, but the GP12 looks a lot better in a side by side comparison when filming. Would you say that's accurate or is the DJI filming quality still really good? I don't want sub par footage.
Thanks for the comment. So my conclusion for quality is that the GP will edge out the DJI by a small margin, but it comes at a cost. If image quality is all you care about then maybe the GP is the one for you, but I truly don’t think the consumer will be able to tell the difference between the 2 cameras unless being asked to “spot the difference” which is why I say usability for DJI gives it the win.
I did not know that you couldn't switch the screens while recording above 60fps that's an actual bummer. Nobody mentioned that. Good job.
Thanks for taking the time to comment. This is exactly why I made the video.
nice man... this is an insanely detailed review.
Thanks for the support. Wanted to help people out.
Dude, you deserve much more views. Great job.
Thanks for taking the time to comment and support!
Tip for deleting footage: do it on you PC 🖥 after you import to PC for editing just format all SD card
Thanks for sharing another option for people.
I think a lot of folks who are action camera shopping, especially first timers like myself, have quickly come to the conclusion (based on TONS of reviews) that the Go Pros aren't worth it. So many shoppers are looking more between the Action 4 and the Action 3 (Or Insta 360 X3). A couple things I discovered this morning when doing final research before dropping the hammer on an Action 3 bundle (I didn't) that I haven't seen many people discuss is that the bluetooth remote only works with the 4 (and apparently can't wake the camera) and also the 4 can accept 512gb sd cards versus only 256 on the 3.
This is awesome information. Thank you for sharing. I’m sure it will help someone avoid the same mistake. That’s why I love making these videos.
I want to amend my info here. I ended up returning the DJI and going with the Hero 10. Having to sideload DJI's questionable software like that is not secure and not acceptable. Third parties have assessed MIMO and determined that it contains too many security threats and allows too many broad permisions to be trustworthy so I opted not to allow it on my phone which, like anyone else's contains payment methods and passwords. GoPro's QUIK app is at least trustworthy enough to stay listed on Apple and Google's app stores which means it has been SOMEWHAT vetted vs DJI being able to do just whatever they want with their own software package distributed from their own site.
@@THEUrinalCake woh. That’s some great info for everyone. I’ve had the mimo software so long I didn’t even go through that process. But cyber security is becoming more important in these modern times.
In low light situations the horizon balancing may have to be turned off to avoid that ghosty/jittery footage
This issue was solved in the comments :)
Hello,
1. which power bank does action 4 support (like what wattage etc)?
2. Where do we have to plug in the type C of power bank whether directly into the action4 or mic adapter of action4 ??
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I plugged it straight in.
Your Grandpa Emil from the Philippines
just SUBSCRIBED to your RUclips Channel.
This one is very informative.
Keep the great contents coming.
Love this. Had several friends from the Philippines growing up!!
Super in details job man! 12/10 stars!!!
Thanks for the support man! Put a lot into this one.
The SloMo option is there to automatically reduce the fps from like 120fps to 30fps (x4) and record it like that so you don't have to do that in post.
Ghostless stabilization needs a minimum of 1/100 shutter speed. The ghosting that appears in low-light is due to the fact that the processor can not stitch the taken shutter frames together good enough because of the lack of contrast/lightig/edge-detection in the picture frames that come from the shutter. My recommendation is to use a gimbal in those conditions and turn of the integrated stabilization.
Thanks for sharing seven things that people don't know. And I didn't about #1, the screen limitation. I didn't realization you could use one screen at a time. I don't have the Action 4 yet, but if I decide to get one I will save your video and rewatch it again as I'm setting up the camera for the first time. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome!! I’m so glad this helped.
This was such an in depth review! I’m blown away and definitely have a better idea of the options available. I lost my gopro 7 after a tumble on the slopes during a heavy powder day - disappeared in the snow before I even saw it come off! Does anyone know how solid the magnetic attachment is for the action 4? Kinda stressed about losing another action camera, now.
Great review, unbiased and straight forward, subscribed and excited for new content
Thanks so much for the positive feedback. You should come join the community - thebetterbuyguy.com
The magnetic mounts are very solid in the grip. The magnets are only for guiding the mount points to the right location. I have not done extensive testing on that, but I can say it is securely mounted. Though slamming into the snow, could knock it loose. Obviously depends on the impact.
Honestly most of things you mentioned its none of the importance to me 🤣 I can easily live with that.
And although DJI states that it performs well in low light, action cameras should NEVER be considered as tool for low light its simple as that.
Very nice review and thumbs up for honesty 🙏🙏
Sounds like it’s the right camera for
You man. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
I enjoyed your professional review, does it take video/photo simultaneously
Thank you! I don’t believe it does.
looks like i found the best channel that actually help us the buyers. no wonder the name are better buy 👍
Thank you. Doing my best to help people the most.
Thanks! I'm planning on buying my first action cam to take with us on a planned trip to Costa Rica. Your review help me decide witch one is best 🙂
Awesome. That was the goal. Thanks for taking the time to comment and let me know
You crushed it! And I appreciate direct buying advice rather than letting the audience choose. Also, I love unique issues no one is talking about. Great action cam but don't fall under the advertising spell - like the new big sensor is awesome in low light - it better but has a way to go.
Thank you for taking the time to post a positive comment. I know most of the time we watch a video. Get what we came for and move on. So I truly appreciate all of the comments. I’m trying to build a different kind of channel and community with the better buy. Looking forward to watching it grow.
@@thebetterbuy usually I move on with bigger channels that have several hundred comments or more because I figure no one will ever read them. But with smaller channels, it’s a chance to engage more directly in the Contant and exchange ideas and thoughts and especially perspective.
@@pcofranc I love that. I’m hoping I can maintain that level of productive conversation in the comments as I grow. I’m doing my best to get to every comment everyday :) for now it’s possible… :)
i have the camera and there is no camera with a sensor of that sizes that can handle a low light situation, all of them are bad. Ghosting thing it is an issue when you have stabilization at low shutter speed, of course low speed more light, we have 2 options, get a gimbal and turn off stabilization and horizon thing or race the shutter speed and find a light where you can record the video, either way you need something that can illuminate you. Yes we will love something really good in low light but they are action cameras, they are not to meant to perform 100% in low light and i thing dji is doing a great job. I love your idea of format card or delete right in the menus and if you want to use both screen at high resolution turn d-log on it will let you, great video keep it up
Nice. Thanks for the updates and info.
Bought this Camcorder :D! How many Action 4 can be remote synced simultaneously with that strap remote? someone knows?
Come join www.thebetterbuyguy.com you are more likely to get your questions answered in the community.
Amazing review. I was already leaning towards getting the Action4 but you sealed it for me. Bummed out about the low light but still excited. Thanks for going through all the options and making us aware of the limitations.
Thanks man! I’m glad this was helpful. Also some goodnews. A few people have some tips in the comments to help with lowlight, one is use the lens guard instead of the lens cover, so more light gets in and then others said turn off stabilization and obviously modify shutter and fps as well as ISO for best results. A little more work and some limitations, but the lowlight can be improved a little.
best, honest and well thought out review!
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment and show your support. Makes me excited to create more
Last comparison was much needed was confused between Go 3 and dji🙏
how sturdy is that magnetic joint?
will the camera pop out if i mistakenly drop the camera?
Hey, the magnets only guide it into place. It locks in via metal hooks and they are solid. It would take a lot of force to rip them off
Technically if you dropped it just right and it hit one of the side release buttons and the camera at the same time you might be able to do it, but that is fairly unlikely x
@@thebetterbuy thanks for clearance
The low light works best if you remove the lens cover and use the plastic one included.
I think you mean just the hood and that makes sense to me. Just not something I would regularly plan to do.
@@thebetterbuy Yep, it's like a lens cover with no glass.
Any issues with transcoding once downloaded to app or any export failure? I can't save anything in good quality and work on it as some codec seems to missing so phone won't play recording video at all...
I have not had the issues you are describing. Maybe try updating all the software or resetting the device.
I think the extra lens protector is actually NO lens protection and removes the glass for better low light performance. Great video showing some of the oddities of the camera. Sounds like a firmware update will fix these. This is my first action camera ahead of a vacation and for me it easily replaces is Osmo Pocket II.
Why not format from the settings menu versus delete all footage? FYI: Slow motion has no audio or stabilization.
You are correct on the lens hood. Thanks so much for mentioning that. Totally misunderstood that part. You could format after offloading, it would save you a couple taps, I tend to delete regularly and format for issues. Also if you film the slow motion using the normal settings you get sound and stabilization so it wouldn’t make since to me to film in slow motion without audio or stabilization, in case you wanted it later.
@@thebetterbuy maybe mobile editing because the slow motion video is saved automatically as 30 fps… No need to interpret footage. Otherwise… No idea. I used both this weekend to see the difference
@@SchuylerOrtega I bet it’s got to have something to do with preprocessing the footage for mobile stuff or faster use in post. I just wouldn’t do it, cause I like to speed ramp and have audio for in and out transitions.
@@thebetterbuy same here but while traveling or for a story or something, prob good enough. So far the Osmo Action is perfect for what I’m after. My most recent upload was shot exclusively with it.
@@SchuylerOrtega checking it out now.
I'm so glad to find your video, this help me greatly. i saw tons of action 4 and they tell almost the same thing, like they are selling a product, and your video is what user like me find it very useful
Awesome! That’s the goal of my channel :) thank you for taking the time to comment. Let me know if you have any questions.
My camera choices were Action 4, GoPro 12, Insta 360 Ace Pro and Pocket 3. GoPro was absolute no due to reliability issues. Ace Pro was a no due to close focus distance being a bit soft vs clarity (in most reviews I watched). Pocket 3 was an unfortunate no due to screen rotation issues seen in more and more reports. Action 4 was my ultimate choice.
I’m honestly beginning to wonder if the action 4 is a better choice than the pocket 3. Certainly something I am considering.
Most informative. I'm looking to buy an action cam, you certainly made me think again about the acgion 4. I nearly bought the go pro 12. Thanks again.😊
Awesome. I’m glad this was helpful. Got a lot more in the works.
I own this camera and I am trying to learn as much as I can about it. I have owned it for about two weeks at this point. I'm going on vacation soon and plan on recording a lot so, I have been trying all the settings trying to see what works best in different scenarios. The thing that I have noticed and bothers me the most is how grainy some of the footage looks while filming indoors. Any tips to clear that up?
First thank you for the comment. Here’s some lowlight tips. Remove, the lens and put just the lens guard on. Drop your fps and shutter speed to as low as you can. Avoid a lot of motion and turn off stabilization if possible. Other than that, add as much light to the scene as you can and understand it’s still a small sensor with limited lowlight capabilities.
Same here bro. Noisy shadows on my face:-(
@@onepointeight some people have offered some solutions in the comments. One is I’m using the lens guard instead of the cover, the other solutions deal with fps shutter and stabilization.
@@thebetterbuy thanks Bro🤝
I think having the top view of your hands gesturing on screen the whole time is a little more distracting than it needs to be. Maybe because it's a mirrored image of the front view. It's like, opposing motion between the two views.
Personally, I would just go full screen with the front view until we need to see the table.
Thank you for your constructive criticism. People don’t always take the time to share helpful criticism and I appreciate it. You are the 4th person to mention it and likely many more didn’t take the time. My next major video will have a filler screen for this very reason. :)
Really appreciate this in depth and honest review! I recently killed my GoPro hero8 and was more than bummed to learn none of my “issues” with that camera had been fixed even in the newer 12 model. Having a trip next month that includes Zion NP and Havasu Falls I need to get a new action camera and after this video I will be ordering a DJI in the morning.
awesome! That’s the goal of the videos. Thanks for taking the time to share your story as well. I’m working on some new content and this kind of comment keeps me motivated.
Kinda off topic, but that body is where I was when I was in boot camp and A school 🎉. Damn I gotta keep it up!
Check out my running channel. m.ruclips.net/channel/UCei3JDVWSmAJAoVxsLBjgFw
I’m about to post a ton of daily content for running.
@@thebetterbuy I knew it! That’s a runners body. I used to run 5k a day that gave me a lot of dopamine. Now I have degenerative authrits after the intense PT. I hope I can slowly come back to running.
@@kuang01oh wow. Sorry about the arthritis that’s terrible. I’m up to 40-50 miles a week right now. Working towards a sub 18 5k and aiming to go sub 17 by next September.
you WERE right about all these issues, I hope they can address them later in the firmware update.. also no one is talking about lack of documentations for dlog-m mode and I have tons of questions about it. The official site posted 1 LUT file and that's it, and I find it not useful as it dims my videos all the time.
Great point about the log profiles. I’m not planning on using the log. More interested in a streamlined experience, but I’ll be curious to see how that changes or improves.
Wow…so much info!! Thank you! Does the camera or cage have a 1/4 screw mount (best new feature IMO on the new GP 12)? OA4 looks impressive.
Thanks!! And there is no quarter screw mount included. :( I agree. I do love the ease of a 1/4 thread.
@@thebetterbuy there's a quarter inch at the bottom (handle end) of the extension handle
Overheating comment: I needed an action cam that could record in a hot cockpit since I like filming when I fly (old Piper, no AC, so gets really hot in summer with little/no air circulation). Recorded an hour at 1080p with no issue. Will try higher res next time.
Great to know. Thanks for sharing. Some other channels did some controlled tests that I saw after and were able to get it to overheat while stationary, at the higher resolutions and frame rates. Just fyi. Not a typical use situations.
Never had that acreen issue. Both are on at all times. Same with the deleting. 3 or 4 Klicks max until a Clip is deleted.
Could you try recording in one of the settings I mentioned and tell me if it doesn’t do it, because it seems like that is a standard feature of the camera for now, probably limited by processor. If yours doesn’t do it then that would be very interesting. 4k 120 or 1080 120 in 16x9 should block one of your screens once you hit record.
Thank you for the information of Action3. Just went to all 3 retails to look at all 3 of them. Most probably am getting Action3. 😉
This was the action 4 just a heads up.
Oops... hahahhaha
I did mean Action4. Kept having 3 brands in my mind until i mention Action3. LOL. Yup, it's the Action4 Adventure package that attracted me. 🤤
Great points 🎉
Thanks for all the support.
Usually the glitching is from the shutter speed and stabilisation. Electronic stabilisation needs shutter speeds starting from 1/200 or more as the 180° rule does not work with EIS.
My sony FDR X3000 is destroying both the gopro 11 and all the DJI's at low light because it has optical stabilisation. Yeahh... an action camera from 2016 is better at low light.
Try 1/200 shutter and see what happens. If that does not work, turn off electronic stabilisation and use a ghimbal for low light.
Even if you use the auto setting, in low light the EIS will damage the image quality.
This is what I figured was happening, a conflict of needs for the camera. I’m not going to be doing lowlight with this, so I don’t need to worry about it, but I wanted to test everything to see. Thanks for sharing your solution as it may help other people who are looking for a solution,
As I side note I love sport bikes. Had to sell my ninja, but I want to get another. Just the 400. Nothing like what you have, but so much fun to ride.
Well, optical stabe has wobble if there’s too much action. Fast walking on FDR x3000 already shows wobble in the corners, what more if it’s used for extreme actions. So i think it’s just right that gopro and dji uses electronic stabe, it will be better for more scenarios. And yes, a gimbal could help minimize those jitters. Our hope for low light is to wish that dji/gopro could make bigger sensor/bigger aperture, though at one point they’ll need to introduce autofocus to be able to continue doing that.
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Glad you are a rider. Every person should at least try a motorcycle for a change.
On a side note, the Hayabusa is way too much fun to ride. Never rode a 400, so I don't know. Ridden a 500F, ZX6R, 10R, R1, ZX14 and now I have the '99 Hayabusa since autum of 2015.
Was checking out the Action 4 as I do have a passion for video cameras hopeing that maybe "next year" I will change my FDR X3000.
So far nothing is worth that for my way of using the cameras.
For me is set it and forget it. Sure, I would like better stabilisation and horizon lock but, most of all I need the camera to be dependable and take external power and microphone in at the same time. This is a must for me.
The X3000 has a mic jack, mini HDMI and tripod mount... so, it's kind of hard to let go. No 4K 60 but that XAVC 1080p is just great and at a bit rate high enough that you can upscale to 4K.
Don't plan to shoot in 4K as it takes way to much space. I shoot for hours as you never know what landscape is presented to you after the next curve while motorcycle traveling in foreign countries.
Low light is good to have when walking the streets of a town or even visiting a museum. Sometimes we only stay for a single night in a city so it's a shame to have to leave without some videos from there. The X3000 is good for that. Way better the what gopro and DJI have been putting out so far.
I won't take a conventional camera with lens with me because of luggage space constraints and also because it complicates my life.
@@kean4582 True, but imagine both optical and digital stabilisation. They have the tech but it cuts into their profits. Optical is superior but hardware is costly.
Phones have sensor shift stabilisation. It also appeared in mirrorless cameras, even full frame ones.
We shall see...
The audio in water when you come out again is far better than gopro 😊
Right. Those clips at the end with the audio when it comes out of the water were really good.
Thank you for this video, I always thought that action 4 flares were very ugly and few people talked about it.
The screen unlock issue is the only bothering one - all others are pretty fine for me haha.
My lil guy arrives next week - can't keep calm to get my hands on it :)
PS - A video on Action 4 accessories please.
Awesome. You’re gonna love it. Ps I don’t really use any accessories outside of what comes with it and standard GoPro mount options. I would recommend the DJI mics though. From what I have seen of other reviews those take it to a much better audio for vlogging and easily work with the action 4.
Thank you for the info
Any time!
Yes, I did my TEST taking Act-4 to - 16 meters DEEP in fresh water. Works well
Awesome!! Thanks for sharing.
I really like still shots as well when we are on holidays and do a lot of snorkelling/scuba/water activities as i find we tend to look at the photos more so than the videos. Dont want footage or photos for posting, just for personal viewing. What would you recommend. Would the DJI suit for this this purpose or is it more for video rather than photos.
Technically speaking go pro has higher specs for still shots, but as far as action cameras go if that is your quality expectation I think you will be more than happy with the actions’s photos.
All the odd things this camera does drives me crazy. One thing that bothers me is if you do a livestream with a external mic the signal gets picked up and clicks in the audio the whole stream. Also the menu system is messy, like why is stabilization and pov in 2 seperate spots, lol.
Great info and points. Maybe DJI will see this and make some modifications. I’m always amazed at how different people’s use cases lead to unknown issues.
I was trying to read every comment before I posted, but I'm running out of time. 😂 I was researching the OAC3 when I came across your channel. Is the magnet mount on these solid? I've lost the same gp 3 times, luckily found each time. Each time was a different failure in the way I had it mounted. I'll look to see if you have a video of the OAC3 VS OAC4, but so far I haven't seen anything worth the price difference for me. I know I'm DONE with gp!
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Magnet mount is super solid. The magnets only guide. The actual latching mechanism is dependable. Personally I’d still go with the action 4 because it can connect to the new dji mic 2 with Bluetooth and that could be very useful.
Thank you. Your video helped us make a good decision on which camera to buy.
Enjoyed watching, you have a new subscriber as love honestly about the pros and cons 😎😎
Thanks. I’m working on a pros and cons of the Insta360 X3. I think you might enjoy it for what they have for windsurfing.
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I appreciate all the work you put into your videos!! Good job!
Thank you.
This is very useful. Thanks for the effort.
That’s the goal.
Can the front screen get unflipped ?
I do not know the answer to this one. I returned my action 4 and stuck with the insta360 go 3 instead.
Someone in www.thebetterbuyguy.com community might know. Come check it out. You are more likely to get a response there.
The best and most useful review of this camera by far👏👏
Thank you so much for your kind words. These kinds of comments capture why I started this channel.
Fantastic review and man, you are running on the right track with this channel. Great format, superbly detailed and great footage examples. Subscribed!
Thank you so much for your kind comments!! Working hard to build a quality and reliable channel for the people.