My theory is that "Time" is a unique version that's simultaniously both. Given how escapement (the underlying engineering principle of clocks) works, it'd be vary fitting
@@someguyg7367Look one, by one, the kits now remind me, you’ve (Kim’s) always been the villain… for you, your Dons have fallen, see, now they’re charge, see, they’re pee charge, forever charged, from the hell that you’ve served out of spite or coincidence, then, it’ll hurt today, tomorrow, ESGOO’ll be heading his way…
GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED *TREMOR BURST* *TREMOR BURST* *TREMOR BURST* *STAGGER**STAGGER+**STAGGER++*
I can say the same for Ryoshu's, but man Hong Lu's drip is 11/10 and is part of the reason I ended up making a full Tremor team (along with some of the skill animations).
@@patronizeee from the look of it, The new Rodya might have that weird time gimmick that some of T corp enemies have so she might be change as well but idk
The fact that Timekilling Time introduced 2 new tremor remixes, but also a new tremor type is funny… But the fact it also introduced two new tremor types exclusive to enemies… So we have: Tremor Red Tremor Purple Tremor Yellow Tremor White Tremor Light Blue Tremor And Royal Blue Tremor WE DID IT GANG, THE 7 TREMOR SOULS ARE REAL!
My love for ESGOO is Everlasting. If there are 1,000,000 ESGOO fans, I am one of them. If there is 1 ESGOO fan, I am that fan. If there are no ESGOO fans, I am dead. Band-aid mechanics or something
12:20 I actually think that this one can be pretty hazardous, and it was this very Intervallo that made me realise it. If you are below the health threshold for a stagger threshold thanks to bleed, then triggering that tremor burst will absolutely stagger Hong Lu.
At this point this Video is an (Amplitude Entanglement) away from having a short/10 min video on how they can't keep getting away with adding more tremor ID's with gimmicks associated with tremor.
The reason you'd use the Corrosion of Time Duck/Everlasting Faust is that it synergizes with Rusty Coin, which allows you to double up on its usage in a single turn in MD, or you have multiple parts with Reverb on a Boss with decent potency/count on each and you want to effectively triple your Tremor Bursts on them. In either case you're getting a bare minimum of 9 Bursts on the target, and upwards of *27* . That's a lot of Sloth Damage and Thresholds being raised! Very niche situations overall, but it _can_ come up!
@@MyzticF *Shrugs* Never know - you might be able to close out a fight faster by going Coin Corrosion, if the boss is set up right, though that too is niche in of itself.
@@MyzticFFunny that you mention that, because Everlasting is the only ego so far that costs *40* sanity on corrosion, which means you'd have to be above 35 at the very least to prevent panic if you were to use it twice, and even then that puts you dangerously close. But wait, that also makes Faust lose 10 sp per turn for 3 turns, so...
7:14 I would argue that Spicebush gets more benefit from ryoshu passive because despite getting only 1 extra tremor his tremor conditionals are much lower than yuro hong lu, so proportionally ryoshu fuels about the same percentage of his tremor conditionals as she does yuro hong lu. And the thing that matters more is how it affects the actual skill rotation and I would say spicebush is the clear winner here. Yuro Lu gets to shorten his setup for skill 3 by a turn but after his skill 3 he is stuck using s1 and s2 again. Spicebush also gets to shorten the setup to his AOE by 1 turn S3->S2 or S1->S1->S2, but also enables him to use both of his s2s as AoE in a rotation+ it also eases activation of the 10 tremor count damage conditional on S3
Your videos are great man, you can talk about 3 ids between 20 minutes to 3 hours and all this time will still fly by because of how entertaining it is to watch
14:02 Um actually 🤓 Everlasting can inflict less than 10 tremor potency and count if you drop a coin in a clash, which will happen a significant amount of time if you are using it at below 45 sanity, for example at 40 SP the chance to get all heads is only ~66%
@@sictrix I don't get what you mean by this. Wishing Cairn Don was our first ever bleed ego on a sinner that already had a bleed ID. Soda Hong Lu is an ego with poise mechanics on a sinner that literally has ZERO poise IDs. The point is that if Hong Lu could get an ego with no supplementary ID once, it could happen a second time
@@zombie5176 It's a bleed and poise ego, I never said whatever you thought that I had implied, And I don't really think my comment had been understood here.. I'm saying that wishing cairn don (and, by extension cavernous wailing) is proof of their change, And the number of EGO which are self-sustaining or ended up getting their respective IDs outweighs the EGO which hadn't (pretty much only soda)
17:35 on speed ranges, you can stack the deck by using Binds Heathcliff corrosion a turn before to inflict 20 bind to himself and the first 2 deployed allies - thats a massive amount of resources you need to drop for this, so probably not viable in an environment without EGO resource carry-over, but you can effectively guarantee Hong Lu and Faust to go first in a focused encounter Tradeoff is losing the +1 count from Ryoshu on HongLu for an expensive but consistent execution
Wowo, that was a lot. Thanks for that long(I mean really LONG) video with all these explanations. P.s. Lobotomy Faust is my bestie, I'm still searching for 000 identity that can be better than her🧡
Imma bet that tremor feels like when the dentist drills to close to the nerves and you feel that even more with more tremor counts and all over your body.
man P.Moon Really cooked on that tremor, I remember back when I looked at LCCB Ishmael one year ago and went "huh, what do I even do with this debuff?"
Looking forward to the ukulele apology video after Donald Quincy is not only self tremor, but also converts self tremor on allies into a new type of tremor like the European Dynamite enemies
I personally use Y Hong Lu, Regret Faust, Oufi Heathcliff, Molar Outis, Rosepanner Rodion and Y Ryoshu Y ryoshu procing tremor burst on stagger is just too valuable with Toad or after using Hong Lu s3
Bro I’ll be howling (of laughter) if you have to make a follow up video to the follow up video (IF the next two ids are also tremor one way or another)
Esgoo praying the new T Corp IDs arent tremor I bet. But I'm happy I invested into tremor early. They turned a mediocre status into a pretty fun mechanic.
Speed range can be helped with rhino meursaults support passive, although if i remember correctly that would also need faust to take ryoshus support passive.
I love the ideas put into YuroRyoshu, but it feels frustrating that: A) Using her S1 into her S2 only nets you 1 self tremor of profit by that 3rd turn (assuming her target even has 4+ Tremor count on the first turn) B) Her S3's conditionals requires you to *not* play both your S2s in your first rotation of skills (or start with a S2 on turn 1), assuming that those targets have 4+ count, or requires using two S1s in a row against targets with >=2 count on average into an S3. C) Her Support passive is almost entirely a worse Carrot & Stick, only being more consistently targeted. Even when accounting for N.O., turning that 16 (the tremor on target conditional is a non-issue) into a 19 just doesn't feel worth all that.
Very nice video, though Tcorp Don quixote i do feel will be tremor or will be utilized with tremor teams if they do give the Collectors the Time delay effect, which would mean that all damage in a turn gets stored until one single turn when the effect expires and essentially dounbles the damage dealt to the user as sloth damage, which would mean that 1440 sloth damage on the video would be 2880+skills damages sloth damage if Time delay was active in that turn before the nuke, which would make it very good for the tremor teams over all... So i do think your mighty curse will once again make such thing.
Meanwhile, im up to Canto IV and so far he's the ONLY sinner for whom I have not gotten a single ID or EGO, while Meursault has 5 including the base one. And same with Yi Sang, two of which are 000
Hong Lou’s charismatic and cool self means that all his identities becomes likable and good, but he is not egotistical and so the concept of a good ego unfortunately slips his grasp sometimes
Yurodivy Ryoshu’s use, as I see it, is in regular battles rather than focused ones. The extra assist attack damage aside, being able to spread out tremor count more reliably between many different enemies is more reliable than Ishmael’s S2. The fact that she applies count on both her S1 and S2 is actually more helpful, and when she’s constantly able to make use of her passive, she’s able to clash much better more consistently than LCCB Ish.
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this video ensures that tax collector don quixote will be both self-tremor AND self-charge
My theory is that "Time" is a unique version that's simultaniously both. Given how escapement (the underlying engineering principle of clocks) works, it'd be vary fitting
can’t wait for esgoo sing “gone angels” when we see don’s kit
@@someguyg7367Look one, by one, the kits now remind me, you’ve (Kim’s) always been the villain… for you, your Dons have fallen, see, now they’re charge, see, they’re pee charge, forever charged, from the hell that you’ve served out of spite or coincidence, then, it’ll hurt today, tomorrow, ESGOO’ll be heading his way…
mfw when its somehow self tremor and inflicts charge:
@@zavos5659 ye, like "echoes of the manor"
Can’t wait for T Corp Don to immediately invalidate everything said in this video lol
EDIT: I WAS RIGHT HAHAHAHAHA-
T corp Don has a status or passive that allows faust to consistantly go first without having to use the Yuri ID
That's the esgoo curse for you
it wont invalidate anything just him adding on to the existing material
@@primalknight My first thought exactly, though I believe he's saying it just because it would be funny if it actually invalidated everything
She doesn't seem like tremor oriented ID tbh
Basically tremor went from "stagger and kill them quickly" to "debuff them to hell and back and break their kneecaps"
Now I’m just imagining Detective hong Lu just running up to someone and swinging his cane like a baseball bat and just obliterating their shins.
@@ethan1441 as you *should*
GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED GET TREMORED *TREMOR BURST* *TREMOR BURST* *TREMOR BURST* *STAGGER**STAGGER+**STAGGER++*
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
Someone was up all night cooking
**STAGGER+++++++++++**
Thank you ESGOO, very cool.
On another note, Hong Lu's drip is immaculate and that's all that matters to me.
I can say the same for Ryoshu's, but man Hong Lu's drip is 11/10 and is part of the reason I ended up making a full Tremor team (along with some of the skill animations).
@@silxer3154 For me, the reason was Ricardo. He scared me enough to make one
T CORP DON AND RODYA JUST CAME OUT TODAY 😭😭
t corp don is most likely charge, but rodya might be relevant
@@patronizeee Self-tremor is just yellow Charge
@@patronizeee from the look of it, The new Rodya might have that weird time gimmick that some of T corp enemies have so she might be change as well but idk
I highly doubt about t corp don and rodya due to they probably not a tremor id due to bo tremor burst
I think they are bleed focus
THE 7 TREMOR SOULS
I'm bursting
AYIN I JUST SNORTED A SUITCASE FULL OF COGITO AND IM STARTING TO FEEL THE EFFECTS
The fact that Timekilling Time introduced 2 new tremor remixes, but also a new tremor type is funny…
But the fact it also introduced two new tremor types exclusive to enemies…
So we have:
Tremor
Red Tremor
Purple Tremor
Yellow Tremor
White Tremor
Light Blue Tremor
And Royal Blue Tremor
WE DID IT GANG, THE 7 TREMOR SOULS ARE REAL!
green tremor doesnt exist. there is no kindness in the city. i kneel, mr kim ji hoon.
@@bitd1807 K Corp employee spotted
White Tremor is a Monster Soul we are missing Green
Final boss of chapter 7: nooo, you're supposed to obey me!
the 7 tremor types:
Its strawberry flavour tremor
Grape tremor
Lemon tremor
Coconut/pina colada tremor
And the other two are artificial flavouring by t corp
My love for ESGOO is Everlasting. If there are 1,000,000 ESGOO fans, I am one of them. If there is 1 ESGOO fan, I am that fan. If there are no ESGOO fans, I am dead. Band-aid mechanics or something
(lasts 1 turn)
I love this Californian, glasses, theatre kid, ahh of a person 🥰
the way i know exactly what you mean
cant wait to see a little heart in the limbus patch notes for pequod heath
Please PM do it he works so hard give him the little heart
Pm after watching this video: *The new Don id has rainbow Tremor*
It’s pride month esgoo… you know what that means…
Do you want him to make, like, gayer video guides? @@Spectrum-ng8ts
@@Spectrum-ng8tswhat? You want us to make rainbow tremor or something?
@@Spectrum-ng8ts Captain of the Pequod + Swordplay of the Homeland + Prejudice + Nebulizer
Tdon won't be tremor. Trodion already infloct bleed, and Don will have a high chance of being bleed too
just like tremor everlasting, this video was only up to date for 1 turn
ESGOO THEY HEARD YOUR PEQOUD HEATH THING! THEY TOTALLY WATCH YOU
No heart :(
COUNTER WAS FIXED LMAO
12:20 I actually think that this one can be pretty hazardous, and it was this very Intervallo that made me realise it.
If you are below the health threshold for a stagger threshold thanks to bleed, then triggering that tremor burst will absolutely stagger Hong Lu.
it also can stagger you if enemies apply a lot of potency on yo ass
@@nershacreave6044 fortunately enemies that apply tremor are few for now.
welp, time to sing, mr esgoo
A Chinese man and a Japanese woman having nice synergy? Impossible!
Project moon trolling esgoo by releasing even more things to talk about 😂😂
Damn that's crazy, get back to rolling that boulder
the ESGOO curse is real
THEY FIXED THE COUNTER BUG
TKT served as a way for project moon to add another exodia into their games (apoc bird in lob) (tiph&bina in LoR) (and now Tremor)
pointing and laughing right now
but I think that's why we love ESGOO's content!
The curse strikes again
At this point this Video is an (Amplitude Entanglement) away from having a short/10 min video on how they can't keep getting away with adding more tremor ID's with gimmicks associated with tremor.
Told you LCCB ishmael was good.
The reason you'd use the Corrosion of Time Duck/Everlasting Faust is that it synergizes with Rusty Coin, which allows you to double up on its usage in a single turn in MD, or you have multiple parts with Reverb on a Boss with decent potency/count on each and you want to effectively triple your Tremor Bursts on them. In either case you're getting a bare minimum of 9 Bursts on the target, and upwards of *27* . That's a lot of Sloth Damage and Thresholds being raised!
Very niche situations overall, but it _can_ come up!
One wouldn't want to use a 60-sanity-cost EGO twice in one turn, although the second point is valid.
@@MyzticF *Shrugs* Never know - you might be able to close out a fight faster by going Coin Corrosion, if the boss is set up right, though that too is niche in of itself.
@@MyzticFFunny that you mention that, because Everlasting is the only ego so far that costs *40* sanity on corrosion, which means you'd have to be above 35 at the very least to prevent panic if you were to use it twice, and even then that puts you dangerously close.
But wait, that also makes Faust lose 10 sp per turn for 3 turns, so...
@@Puffman728 Corrosion doesn't have the SP drain at turn end, same with Sanguine Desire and both Binds if I recall correctly
@@MyzticF Still. Being left at -35 _at best_ would be... scary
My sincerest apologies.
One must imagine Esgoo happy
go sing gone angels key ingredient mr esgoo
That would be great for the karaoke stream soon
7:14 I would argue that Spicebush gets more benefit from ryoshu passive because despite getting only 1 extra tremor his tremor conditionals are much lower than yuro hong lu, so proportionally ryoshu fuels about the same percentage of his tremor conditionals as she does yuro hong lu. And the thing that matters more is how it affects the actual skill rotation and I would say spicebush is the clear winner here. Yuro Lu gets to shorten his setup for skill 3 by a turn but after his skill 3 he is stuck using s1 and s2 again. Spicebush also gets to shorten the setup to his AOE by 1 turn S3->S2 or S1->S1->S2, but also enables him to use both of his s2s as AoE in a rotation+ it also eases activation of the 10 tremor count damage conditional on S3
I'm so sorry.
1:02 Time Duck...
*DUCK*
Project Moon won't cease to amaze me...
XD
Your videos are great man, you can talk about 3 ids between 20 minutes to 3 hours and all this time will still fly by because of how entertaining it is to watch
THEY FIXED THE PEQUOD HEATHCLIFF COUNTER BUG
WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Either they really monitor youtube and some content creators
or because people started talking about it more
It’s gonna be really funny when T Corp Don and Rodion shift the Tremor meta again and a second Tremor sequel video gets made
An (everlasting) follow-up on tremor. (Lasts for only 1 patch)
another tremor id has hit the limbus company servers
Trodion inflicts bleed, don't think Don is gonna be tremor
@@Berdkys about that.
NEWEST IDS ARE TREMOR
We understand a lot more about tremor now, dr. ESGOO of reading comprehension. Thank you for a great class, sir.
14:02 Um actually 🤓 Everlasting can inflict less than 10 tremor potency and count if you drop a coin in a clash, which will happen a significant amount of time if you are using it at below 45 sanity, for example at 40 SP the chance to get all heads is only ~66%
trying to say "shrimp shaped elephant in the room" when wishing cairn don happened
also yi sang's dimension shredder is self-sustaining, it's somewhat the same with 9:2 as well
Wishing cairn don has mittelhammer. Also, poise and bleed tend to go hand in hand so you could just use bl don
@@zombie5176 No, I'm saying wishing cairn don disproves what he said
@@sictrix I don't get what you mean by this. Wishing Cairn Don was our first ever bleed ego on a sinner that already had a bleed ID. Soda Hong Lu is an ego with poise mechanics on a sinner that literally has ZERO poise IDs. The point is that if Hong Lu could get an ego with no supplementary ID once, it could happen a second time
@@zombie5176 It's a bleed and poise ego, I never said whatever you thought that I had implied, And I don't really think my comment had been understood here.. I'm saying that wishing cairn don (and, by extension cavernous wailing) is proof of their change, And the number of EGO which are self-sustaining or ended up getting their respective IDs outweighs the EGO which hadn't (pretty much only soda)
"Nooo! You can't just destroy my health in 3 turns!"
The 7 tremor souls:
A tier on the drip tier list is scandalous it gotta be higher
Esgoo….I…..feel so….sorry for you
we are literally learning quantum mechanic with tremor now
And now there’s a blue one as well.
12:13 yeah about that, this made him stagger when I fought time ripper which was VERY surprising because I didn’t even know it was an effect!
Five hundred Tremor Bursts.
22:03 ESGOO you cheeky bastard...
If this goes on ESGOO videos will become a go-to bug tracker for PM developers 😄
Boy you gotta update the video
T Corp Don:BRUH
17:35 on speed ranges, you can stack the deck by using Binds Heathcliff corrosion a turn before to inflict 20 bind to himself and the first 2 deployed allies - thats a massive amount of resources you need to drop for this, so probably not viable in an environment without EGO resource carry-over, but you can effectively guarantee Hong Lu and Faust to go first in a focused encounter
Tradeoff is losing the +1 count from Ryoshu on HongLu for an expensive but consistent execution
i couldn't even edge to this i bursted all my tremor watching this video
Excited to see this level of complexity come to other statuses in time
LETSGOOO
3rd TREMOR VIDEO LMAO xD
Wowo, that was a lot. Thanks for that long(I mean really LONG) video with all these explanations.
P.s. Lobotomy Faust is my bestie, I'm still searching for 000 identity that can be better than her🧡
I thank you Larry for pointing out the Harpoon Cliff bug, praise be.
Uhhhh is the team at around 19:20 still the same? Is a purer tremor Rodya ID better than rosespanner? Do you toss anyone for Don?
your dumb puns in the video titles are so fun you should never stop making them
the 7th tremor soul:
lord have mercy i'm bouta *(crunchy bass note)*
5:44 You win, take my time from me like a T-corp Class 3 agent would
papa bongy won't know what hit him 💥💥💥💥💥
Imma bet that tremor feels like when the dentist drills to close to the nerves and you feel that even more with more tremor counts and all over your body.
man P.Moon Really cooked on that tremor, I remember back when I looked at LCCB Ishmael one year ago and went "huh, what do I even do with this debuff?"
So huh… both T Corp Don and Rodion are tremor. You are definitely cursed.
PM are tremor bursting your every video, I wonder will there be follow-up, to follow-up video?
Looking forward to the ukulele apology video after Donald Quincy is not only self tremor, but also converts self tremor on allies into a new type of tremor like the European Dynamite enemies
I wonder when we'll get unique tremor burst
12:36 A pole dancer huh? That's a nice draw idea
Boy, do I have news for you...
Gotta respect this guy for actually making a follow up lmao
"Thank God he isn't smoking" killed me
I like the idea of using ESGOO videos to send direct bug reports to Project Moon.
Hey t corp don is self tremor
Burst my tremor ESGOO
So… Tremor part 3 coming soon?
I personally use Y Hong Lu, Regret Faust, Oufi Heathcliff, Molar Outis, Rosepanner Rodion and Y Ryoshu
Y ryoshu procing tremor burst on stagger is just too valuable with Toad or after using Hong Lu s3
Look how much work tremor has to do to mimic the power of burn
I will laugh because apparently you did not hear Hong Lu actively tremor bursting the enemy with his skills in the preview video.
Cant wait for Super Tremor Superposition that lets you keep Superposition for the rest of the combat.
Bro I’ll be howling (of laughter) if you have to make a follow up video to the follow up video (IF the next two ids are also tremor one way or another)
After watching this video, I am confident that I can pass a PhD exam as a Tremor Physicist
Esgoo praying the new T Corp IDs arent tremor I bet. But I'm happy I invested into tremor early. They turned a mediocre status into a pretty fun mechanic.
☕🗿
I don't understand tremor, I don't know how to use it "correctly", but I just hear *boom-boom-boom* and my dopamine goes through the roof.
I feel for the tremor-heads who have to keep track of so many tremor effect names
Speed range can be helped with rhino meursaults support passive, although if i remember correctly that would also need faust to take ryoshus support passive.
We are about to hear ESGOO sings Gone Angels huh 🐧
The "at least A tier on the drip tierlist" triggered me. What are you gonna do about that mr Esgoo
No "the great detective knows" in the Hong Lu section it's over
yeah pm is observing their player, i think they're read every review, discussion, yt comments and video. every single of it
Told ya.
I love the ideas put into YuroRyoshu, but it feels frustrating that:
A) Using her S1 into her S2 only nets you 1 self tremor of profit by that 3rd turn (assuming her target even has 4+ Tremor count on the first turn)
B) Her S3's conditionals requires you to *not* play both your S2s in your first rotation of skills (or start with a S2 on turn 1), assuming that those targets have 4+ count, or requires using two S1s in a row against targets with >=2 count on average into an S3.
C) Her Support passive is almost entirely a worse Carrot & Stick, only being more consistently targeted.
Even when accounting for N.O., turning that 16 (the tremor on target conditional is a non-issue) into a 19 just doesn't feel worth all that.
*slams table*
36 TREMOR BURSTS. YOU DIDNT WANTED TO LEAVE THEM A CHANCE,HUH?
WE LOVE BURSTING TREMOR
As someone who doesn't have frog hong ego yet, having hong moves first and does his 3rd skill first before faust duck ego is actually very good
Very nice video, though Tcorp Don quixote i do feel will be tremor or will be utilized with tremor teams if they do give the Collectors the Time delay effect, which would mean that all damage in a turn gets stored until one single turn when the effect expires and essentially dounbles the damage dealt to the user as sloth damage, which would mean that 1440 sloth damage on the video would be 2880+skills damages sloth damage if Time delay was active in that turn before the nuke, which would make it very good for the tremor teams over all... So i do think your mighty curse will once again make such thing.
New tremor type ahoy.
Hong lu = Never getting a bad ID 😭
Meanwhile, im up to Canto IV and so far he's the ONLY sinner for whom I have not gotten a single ID or EGO, while Meursault has 5 including the base one. And same with Yi Sang, two of which are 000
Hong Lou’s charismatic and cool self means that all his identities becomes likable and good, but he is not egotistical and so the concept of a good ego unfortunately slips his grasp sometimes
@@Puffman728 thats rather unfortunate LIKE REALLY UNFORTUNATE coz ur missing out on a lot of IDs (cant say the same with EGOs)
@@Snillager SODA HONG LU :((
Hong Lu is truly the happiest man in the city.
The Zwei West Ishmael in my pocket:
Yurodivy Ryoshu’s use, as I see it, is in regular battles rather than focused ones. The extra assist attack damage aside, being able to spread out tremor count more reliably between many different enemies is more reliable than Ishmael’s S2. The fact that she applies count on both her S1 and S2 is actually more helpful, and when she’s constantly able to make use of her passive, she’s able to clash much better more consistently than LCCB Ish.