I love how back in the Lobotomy Corporation days/early Library of Ruina days, saying stuff like "Maybe Whitenight represents Carmen because they both have red eyes and other stuff" was met with "Nah that's ridiculous Carmen is a good person". Also I'm calling it now, the Golden Boughs aren't tree branches but parts of a nervous system, Carmen's nervous system.
... Ayin put what was left of Carmen into the well, which is full of Cogito and used the energy we produced to turn said Cogito into the Seeds of Light. These seeds got (incompletely) implantet into the city-people and started sprouting into branches. You might be onto something ... No wonder she is living rent free in our heads.
As a PM Lore Enjoyer, Carmen-Post Bloodbath is simply the embodiment of "A Human's Will over Human Lives" It is to put all facets lying beneath humanity's surface over humanity itself. "Yeah, maybe a thousand humans die, but their souls were rotting, and they should have accepted all of themselves, spilling out everything they keep inside, maybe then, they could have lived." "If even one human can live, truly and wholly, in their own desire and emotion, then it is worth the sacrifice." That's the type of Being Carmen has become. She's so interesting, I want to study her.
Long have i assumed that Carmen, while charismatic and caring, thought to bring 'salvation' through letting the emotions manifest. She seemed like a figure that felt she could fix others in the way she deemed the best. Since Cogito was originally developed under her guide, we could lean into claim that she cared about unleashing the elements of the human mind that one keeps smothered inside. Perhaps those emotions from deep dark subconscious were not planned - but she never refused them. In LoR, she admires the abnos and craddles them, like unheard, mistreated children. She loves them all, no matter how monstrous they are. Note, abnos represent those elements of the human mind, which, if oversaturated and slipping out of control, make one dysfunctional. Until now, it was safe to assume that Carmen didn't care if a person breaks under their weight, convincing people that those feelings are true and thus need to be brought out. As if she thought that she knew best how to bring them freedom from City's yokes. Self-proclaimed messiah, who asks people to let go with the flow. I think of the entire Lobotomy Corporation facitily as a ground to fight it. Distortion is not just letting out those feelings to manifest, but let them overwhelm and overwrite a person's reason. Giving voice and control to what should have been kept in check. If abnos are intrusive thoughts, EGO means taking control of them, acknowledging them but instead of letting them do as they please, use them to grow stronger. Acknowledging weakness, but instead of letting it reshape you, struggle against it. That is, what i felt, Ayins plan for himself and everyone alike. It feels like Carmen does have more of a gentle nature - merely letting person's emotions flow free, regardless what the emotion is, being one who spurs the transformation. She cares not what spills out of screaming heart, as long as it spills, as to her, sole fact of unleashing it is giving one freedom. It's as if she really believed that this is better for a person than having to fight and struggle, and bear the burden of keeping those dark feelings from breaching. Like a... overworried mother not wanting to see you suffer facing your pain, so convincing you stop fighting. She's unlikely an evil scheming bint - instead, fool who thinks she knows better how to soothe suffering. Her messiah complex probably was exactly what distilled into White Night, which, in poetic way makes One Sin the facility's most integral piece: weakly, overlooked and inconspicuous desire to admit one's mistakes.
This is really interesting, especially the bit with One Sin, and how it relates to White Night. For quite a while I heard the theory about White Night being some sort of allegory for Carmen, but if we instead look at the abnormalities as unhealthy aspects of humanity, then White Night should instead be that savior complex that Carmen has, rather than the women herself. White Night is an omnipresent, near if not fully divine entity that twists the people it "saves" into monstrous forms that, while more powerful than they once were, they lose all control over themselves. (or you lost control of them depending on literal you want to go, it is PM after all) White Night would go rampant if not for one weakness, one chink in the armor of the seemingly all-powerful force. All it takes is one person, a single individual under its sway to acknowledge their weakness, to be willing to, rather than give in to the voice that offers them comfort even if they are weak, to face that weakness, that flaw of their character, and even if they don't overcome it, even it if causes them to perish, merely confessing, not to any all-powerful creature, but to themself more than anyone else, is enough to overcome White Night. Now just switch the words around and you get Carmen. An omnipresent entity that shows up at peoples lowest to offer them comfort, maybe not an easy way out physically to whatever situation they are in, but emotionally, to just let go and allow them to bring forth the true "shape of their heart" so that they may, well really do whatever at that point, usually what the distortee thinks is right when blinded by the emotions that distorted them. However, if someone is able to look at themselves, and acknowledge that even if things suck, even if everything is going wrong, they are still able to try, to do something, even if its not very much, even if it might destroy them, then they can defy an omni-present being. There are a lot of interesting ways this could apply to Lob Corp, after all you are literally in a manifestation of Ayin's mind, the facility you manage is literally drawn from his conscience, perhaps you could view White Night as a whole as the first instance of a Distortion Debate TM. It would be so much easier, so much safer to just give up on Carmen's dream, to give into the despair that X does a few times when they realize what's going on, to simply give up when White Night breaks free, it offers salvation after all, it's one of the few abnormalities that speaks directly to you, it even has the power to prevent you from altering time. What if White Night doesn't really stop you from doing anything, it wouldn't need to, after all nothing you do will save you, it simply reminds you that this is a hopeless situation (it literally plays 3rd Trumpet the first time it breaches), and if you just give in and let it take over it will guide you. Yet a part of X (or Ayin depending on how you want to look at it) still sees a way out, even if it would cost them just a little more, a little more than they have already given in pursuit of this goal, if they are willing to pay the price, a price that costs yet another life, when they are already at the brink of despair for what they have done, they can make it out, to manifest the goal they have worked so hard to achieve, to bring forth the light that will allow people to do the same. But that's just a rough theory I came up with while writing the rest, it probably has a bunch of holes, but I felt it was interesting enough to share.
@@draconicworkshop5679 "What if White Night doesn't really stop you from doing anything, it wouldn't need to, after all nothing you do will save you, it simply reminds you that this is a hopeless situation" On the contrary White Night is offering you salvation, it rids you of your sins and provides guidance. White Night is saving you. But the central thesis of LC, LoR and Limbus paints this act in a very bleak light. Afterall everyone in the city is full of sins and to an extent those sins are what define them. To accept White Night is to lose everything that chains you including the human parts of you that care about those chains binding you to others. White Night grants Salvation by changing you so that you can accept the situation at hand.
It's hard to undergo so much hardship without losing ones way, it's not so surprising that she'd develop poor coping mechanisms to deal with it all, becoming... Whatever she is now certainly wouldn't help. Basically a perfect recipe for a misanthropic savior, she still thinks she's doing good, but only because she's lost sight of what "things are okay" actually looks like. She's been alienated from her own humanity, perhaps ironically.
Just one month after the Lobotomy Corporation game came out and i startet diving into the rabbit hole, i commentet a few times that Carmen seems to have gone crazy/more unhinged somewhere after Enoch died and got turned into the mother of abnormalitys. You would be surprised how many told me to shut up, that i dont understand anything about the story, that Carmen is completely innocent and a hero, etc. and now we start agreeing that she is the antichrist of the PMverse. How times change.
I started suspect something wrong when, during early access of LoR, appeared the part with Philip's underdeveloped E.G.O. and Angela said it was actually the plan of Seed of Light. I remembered the final part of "Crime and Punishment" from my russian school curriculum - Raskolnikov's literal fever dream when his ideology of "trembling creature and rightful person" has been extrapolated in its absolute on humanity. There, people died out in some sort of battle royale amongst "great personae" that everyone is, without those who earn the bread, without workers and servants. Thus, Karmen was, in my eyes then, either naive into delusion (like Raskolnikov was), or somewhat senator Armstrong-level libertarian, where in her world "people would kill and die for what they believe". Now, she seems to me more like elder Lukas from Gorky's play "The Lower Depths/At the bottom".
I also think Carmen doesn't really care whether you distort or gain EGO. Either outcome still fits her view (Distortion: they live with their true feelings laid bare; EGO: they find a path forward that also define who they really are). Problem is since she only shows up when the subject is in immense emotional distress, so most of the time they will distort, which isn't the more favorable outcome.
She prefers distortion since freely accepting despair leads to less personal suffering and guaranteed "success". EGO is a compromise to her since it's far and away better than what the City does to everyone. Although everyone having EGO has the potential to be the actual utopia she is searching for, she herself faltered and cannot believe that everyone could possibly manifest EGO.
That is because most people dont understand the aspect of ego/shadow. They just think Ego good, shadow Bad. A frace in bleach tell is best: "Are you the horse? Or the king atop it?" Ego is a continuous fight of control, and even a rejection of the natural self In that the Eneamble was the most adbance, a distortion regulated to human form. Very similar to what Arrancars are theme on, while Shinigamies are Ego and their Zampakto a expresion of their natural self, yet they have to train and try to underestand it, to then name it and even make it expres itself into reality to a fusion/expresion of self (bankai)
@@nihilego3634 With the release of Philclair, you're correct that she prefers Distortion, but more like because gaining EGO is a much more painful ordeal in her eyes. Though she seems to be aware of his ultimate fate (Distortion).
What happened to your ideals? What happened to you during the loops that made you this way? You could use this opportunity from the Light to help people, to fulfill your original goal... why are you doing this?
Something worth mentioning is that Limbus CGs' internal filenames include a three digit number indicating the canto and stage it gets used in. Going by this naming scheme, the Carmen CGs should have included the number 634. But instead they skip ahead by 32. It's funny to imagine that the only reason Heathcliff distorts is because of a meta reference only data miners would get.
7:16 It's the other way around, Lisa's vicious mumbling wasn't truly sincere when she told Carmen she should've been the one to die. However, when Carmen agreed that she should have died, it was genuine. "You should've been the one to die..." "Yeah. I- I should have died..."
I think it's interesting how almost every extraordinary thing that happens in the project Moon setting is because of humanity and humanities potential.
Let's not forget that almost every single uptie monologue is... Literally a monologue of Carmen. I suddenly reliased than when reading uptie story of L Corp remnant Faust. Of course there are some exceptions, like when there are actual dialogues between characters in uptie stories, but otherwise it's just Carmen's perspective and thoughts on things.
That's still not completely confirmed, there's reason to believe it could also be PT. PT has seen thousands of mirror worlds giving her acess to that knowledge. Unlike Carmen whoose never reffered to other people as childs PT does and the narrator for the upties reffers to every sinner's ID as a child.
@@theresnothinghere1745I’d be more willing to buy into it being Iori rather than Carmen. I mean doesn’t the after credits scene in LoR hint towards Limbus being her idea?
@@Littleman3240 To be fair that now removed post credit scene was about building a fixer association to handle that. And while there are still some refferences to people trying to build an association for handling distortions Limbus company is stated to be a seperate thing 'to deal with it on the corporate level'. Not to mention first guys you fight in the intro are implied to be her lackeys. Which implies Iori is opposed to Limbus rather than with them.
Love how at the beginning before lor/limbus people thought of carmen as the least mentally ill but turns out shes the batshit insane of them all,would distort for her
Carmen deffinitly became the Antichrist of PMverse because LEVIATHAN SPOILER AHEAD When Vergilius talk to Carmen, she mentions how her Junior AKA Ayin who reminder is also part of the light is actively fighting against her(We dont know what he is doing, but he IS doing something), even tho he is the ONE person who followed Carmen even after her attempted suicide and making the Thousand year long Lobotomy Corp Seed of Light Project And with how Dante seemingly aware about Peccatulums true nature with the sudden mind flashback in To Claim Their Bone, AND the fact Dante and the 12 Sinners seem to act like Jesus and his Followers(Doesnt help Rose Thorn Gregor heavily confirm this) Yeah, Ayin is probably the reason why Limbus Company has a surprising amount of guidance
Here's some quotes from Carmen in Leviathan, copied from a reddit comment about Ayin's relevance to E.G.O. ( Just in case people were curious ) [ Book 18 of Leviathan (I’m using the fan-translation by Snakeskinfs) features some talk from Carmen about Distortion and EGO, about how the result can be different thanks to her “junior”, presumably Ayin, joining her in the light: "It is to become a self unbound by the eyes and standards of the City. However, the resulting form changes depending on the way it was revealed. ...Thanks to my junior, who has a different idea than me, joining the Light." Later, she says this in reference to her junior, which is relevant given how EGO manifests in the form of clothes and tools: "...You ask the same question as my junior. We must struggle, but as human beings, we should use reason, not emotion..." The voice adjusted itself. "So, he said, we have to fight in the most human way possible, through clothing and tools, while holding the human form in high regard." ]
@@fqck1999Gregor is the most Jewish of the Sinners(If we are using Book Greg and the fact hes the last one), and he DOES have Jesus like Symbolism like how he was a former Hero treated like a Messiah but now fallen really badly, and how he got Rose Thorn EGO Sinclair is supposed to be the 10th Sinner but he ended up being 11th because Dante is the 10th(Also the Association Dieci is Italian word, also wearing pretty much Catholic Priest Outfits)
@@fqck1999 Lob corp era angela, probably? I mean she does redeem herself in LoR and all but in lob corp I'd say she's the best fit, since she pretty much fucks over Ayin completely and Ayin is very non subtly hinted at being pretty much PM jesus.
I think there is one other detail that benefits analyzing Carmen. The final conflict between X and Adam. Especially because Adam’s goal of explicitly turning everyone in monsters to follow Carmen does actually remind me of one thing. Before Angela is about to return the light, we do see that Carmen is able and willing to take the form of the person she’s trying to influence. Its lead to be speculate if Adam is actually Carmen doing what she did with Angela or if there is something else within the light using Carmen as a template on how to influence others. Basically whether she’s the Equivalent of White Night or someone who was twisted into an Apostle. To be clear Im not sure about any of these speculations and am absurdly hype to see what Project Moon cooks up because Im sure its gonna be amazing (and hell even if it isn’t cantos 1-5 are more than good enough to stand up in a vacuum ^^)
Yoo!! That Adam analogy almost made it into the video before stuff had to be cut for time. It's impressive how much Adam and our reactions to him really resemble the perspective on Carmen now. Great mention.
@@FreyCheqama Yehh makes sense as that part is definitely the one most open to speculation in comparison to the stuff from leviathan. Side note "The flesh within is bound to rot when it's covered with ill fitting skin" quote from Adam is such a raw trans mood and I adore it ^^
The fact Heathcliff was able to distort makes me extremely worried for future encounters. Until this canto many believed the EGO our sinners carry was stable and they were safe but this canto feels like a set of intentions. Knowing Don Quixote and the name of her Canto I wouldn't be surprised if they make her fall into further insanity
i think carmen embodies the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" i think she knows that it's very cowardly to go back into a shell like philip did but she thinks it's what the people's humanity would've wanted also it's funny that she's called "the beast" by project moon
One thing i find interesting about project moons magic system is how humanity focused it is the miraculous technology of the wings and even of the workshops are result of humanity and if i am understanding this correctly the power distortions and e.g.o users have come from The well of humanity.
"technology so advance is indistinguishable from Magic" Thus now, the most Magic aspect, literal will power over writing reality A reality bender by ScP terminology.
As someone who has a 60+ (and counting) page limbus theory doc, SEVERAL PAGES OF WHICH are dedicated solely to the cathy/carmen parallels -- including that exact diary entry -- and who's been hyper suspicious of carmen ever since i got into this series, god bless you for this whole video like fr, i feel validated in a lot of my own theories/thoughts about her, and your theory about cathy's motivations/actions has me wildin' tbfh i swear to god if part 3 drops tomorrow and confirms MY theories i'm going to explode-- (ps, is THAT how you pronounce ayin? as a certified Ayin Fanclub member i feel silly now... )
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU thank you! I'm glad more PM Loreheads are coming out of the woodwork now. As for the Ayin thing, apparently people use the hard 'A'? I always pronounced it like Zayin. No idea if this is a Chesed/Cheesed thing or if it's actually different strokes. We'll find out.
13:40, I'd say it's clear enough that while an important cause of suicide was getting heartbroken after killing Enoch, there was another part to it, which is to sacrifice herself, because it was necessary. Like day 48 shows, she knew she HAD to become the Bucket, she laid it out so calmly that Ayin of all people was pissed. Though she's saintified in Lobcorp, Ayin calls her suicide a "noble sacrifice for the sake of humanity" multiple times, something tells me he knew that well enough. And she did have a talk with Ayin before that to completely make sure he follows the path she laid out, saying: "no matter what I'll become, please finish what I started". The contrast between her downright frightening abilities to manipulate about everyone (staring down grade 2 Kali, convincing Daniel to ditch his guaranteed great job at A corp, etc.) and having a geniunely good heart is an aspect of her pre-ruina character I don't see people talk about enough, imo. My sincere understanding is that part of the reason for her slitting wrists was actually coldly manipulating the research team into finishing her dream. Really makes me wonder what her backstory is about
One thing. My impression was that, the "compatibility" bit was exactly for the sake of getting a hold of more cogito, cause their sample size was too small to make any meaningful testing. Day 48 cutscene also showcases this because Carmen barged into Ayin's room, and detailed an entire plan that scared Ayin in what it was about, and felt hurt by how she made it seem like it had nothing to do with him in her plans, a clear sign to me that the bucket was devised by Carmen herself, and the way he talks about it "being the only way", I guess she had put herself up for being a sacrifice even before the bloodbath incident. Cause remember, this is the city, they could have easily brought her back from the brink, hell Ayin managed to make Hod "survive" despite having hung herself in her own apartment, and who knows how much brain damage she suffered from the act until someone found her body, the issue was that Ayin knew from her own mouth what she intended to do, so the suicide was a way to force Ayin's hand into making use of her body to make the vehicle to get more cogito so their progress could finally move.
Okay, so, this is probably going to sound a little deranged, but this idea has been living in my head rent free for the last few weeks and I really need it to go, so here we are. Carmen is Nietzsce's Ubermensch that didn't make it. Hear me out. I have to say fiirst that I haven't finished the book yet, but from my limited understanding (however flawed it may be) it fits very well together. To start, Nietzsche's ubermensch has a characteristic which is very remenicent of Carmen: Love. Like a sun giving selflessly its light to the world, so did ubermensch wanted to share the light of knowledge with the rest of the world. Carmen loved people, everyone from the lowest of the low to the wisest of men. She wanted to share this light she had, this joy and realize humanity's potential in a way that would allow them to become superhumans too. So she set out to do just that, gathering the crew, researching how to make it possible. To spread the literal and metaphorical Light. Light was supposed to be that nudge, that push for people to become ubermensch too, however that never happend. Because Carmen didn't have the Will to do it. In Nietzsche's book the will of a person is a pivotal part and Carmen lacked that. Ayin didn't. He made everything possible and acheived the end result, no matter the cost. But that's not so important. What is important is what Carmen came to represent. After her time as a bucket she came to the other idea presented in Nietzsche's work: the last men. Last men are people who live for nothing but happiness. Blissful, uneventful existence. They are tired of life, take no risks, and seek only comfort and security (which is very City like, you gotta admit). So when people stand at the crossroads: to present their wills and push through and aquire an EGO or fall back into security of basic desires and distort, many people Distort. And... that's basically all I wanted to say. Honestly, regardess if this gets debunked or not, I'm just glad I got this thought evicted from my mind. Now it's your problem too. Goodbye.
2:19 Huh, pretty sure the Well of Humanity is just another name for the collective unconscious. The in-universe manual of Lobotomy Corporation and its artbook directly name-droped it, and the Abnormalities - extracted from the Well - are also said to be products of the archetypes within that collective unconscious. All in all, it's a fundamental jungian approach to things. Thus, Carmen's attempt at trying to cure the "sickness of the mind" is just basically forcing the people of the City to confront their unconscious complexes and traumas, trying to connect them with their "soul" and solve the collective neurosis thet City (still) is undergoing. The fact that during DD, Moses comments that everyone in the City has signs of Distortion is related to this, since light is what allows the (unconscious) mind to be manifested: the people in the City are, by default, controlled by their unconsciour urges and wishes, close to regress to "animalistic or monstrous figures" - the alien symbols that "inhabit" the unconscious world according to Jung's work. 12:17 And Distortions are the result of Carmen abandoning her wish to make people connect with their unconscious self and individuate them (another jungian concept), now focused on solving the neurosis... by destroying the differentiating capacities of consciousness - the core principle of individuation -, regressing everything into a "final" (not really, but I like how dramatic it sounds) union with primitive unconsciousness. Now, you don't have to suffer being separated of yourself, because you're now your (unconscious) self, guided entirely by complexes and traumas. By that matter, that's the reason of why (some) Distortions are similar to a number of Abnormalities (and even Ordeals), because they' share the same archetypal roots. The collective unconscious, after all, is the foundation of the human mind. Funnily enough, Demian's entire schtick is also jungian, since Hesse was inspired by Jung's work. His motivation seems to be for people to realize themselves, to reach their whole Self, both unconscious and conscious. That's the likely reason he sees the Mirror technology as stealing: you're essentially running out of your own personal truth and meaning - you're rejecting yourself and "stealing" the Self of others.
So I have this theory that filled my mind ever since the end of part two. First, the Cathy mirror scene, this is either Cathy meeting Carmen or, what if Cathy has the ability to see mirror words? Then that ghosts she saw were just echos of other mirror words, that would explain why she said she understands thoose ghosts after that. Second, Cathy works with N corp. Cathy herself seems to be an inventor and we my theory about her ability is correct then there is even more evidence for her to work with N corp. That would explain why she knows about Heathcliff and by him Limbus Company going for boughs. Third, everything that happened in Wuthering Heights since we came there was Cathy's plan to make Heathcliff distort, why? Because by this she can come and "save" him so he won't leave her ever again or based on that single line from her at the end of part 2, she wants to try and kinda hijack the distortion of Heathcliff so that he will obey her using that machine, golden bough and probably by putting herself in comatose state to increase her connection with light. Please tell me I don't sound like conspiracy theorist.
There is a tragic dimension to her character to be honest, someone outstandingly kind being broken by the city until she became one its various phenomenon's
Interestingly, keeping with the Kabbalah themes, Carmen’s philosophy fits the philosophy of Belial, which is the Qliphoth counterpart to Daat. The philosophy of Belial is curiosity turned into selfishness and greed (usually in the context of knowledge since Daat is the Sephirah of Knowledge and enlightenment (which is also likely the Sephirah Angela represents since she runs the Library)), which fits Carmen to a T.
This might be a bit late but the retcon in distortions but I honestly love the idea that after seeing that you can literally knock someone out before they can distort Carmen decided to be more involved. Tldr: Carmen fears the frenchman's fist. Mersault vs. Carmen was a 10:0 match up.
19:50 I do kind of want to briefly remind a very fleeting line from c6part1, where Nelly mentioned that she was ordered to remove all mirrors from manor. Maybe?
Although white nights and dark days definitely caused carmen's view of humanity to distort(heh). I believe that she also saw it as something necessary as she gave the city itself the capability to fight which was her original desire. Overall, her views were good but naturally you have to think about that she was the one who created the experiment of taking enkhepalin from people. To some extent, you also going to have a realization that she only faltered once she realizes that she had to be the one to be used as an experiment which she turned down causing the death of a certain kid that led down to her downfall/guilt. In conclusion, Carmen was never the good-good typa person. She saw the greater good which attracted a bunch of hooligans(sephiroth) to follow her. In the end, she and "him" succeeded and right now soreading across the city with their seed lying in wait for everyone to manifest and may be heading towards "the new world" [stated by Damien and Sonya in canto 3 but could also be referred as a world war/potential rebellion in the city if we are following their novels description of the mark]
"Carmen was never the good-good typa person" I take issue with this portrayal. Reluctance to sacrifice yourself when: 1) You are the lynch pin of the entire operation to the point your colleges oppose sacrificing you 2) There might exist potential alternatives that don't cost one of the most important people to keep things running Doesn't make Carmen a bad person. The word that describes Carmen is 'Weak hearted' as she described herself in LC. Carmen had good intentions, she knew these intetions would have difficult decisions and when she eventually came across one she collapsed. "that she was the one who created the experiment of taking enkhepalin from people" It's hard to know to what extent she was responsible for that, the process of abno creation wasn't clear at all until A got a firm grasp by testing cogito injection into Netz. We don't even know if they had the idea to garner light from abnos during Carmen's time or if that only came about when A went mind of steel and focused on meeting the end goals above all else.
Issue with what you mention on Aseah, from the patch notes which are going through today when Canto 6 Part 3 is released: >Fixed an issue where a certain character had incorrect portrait background colors Might wanna double check those cutscenes after the patch to see if Aseah is the one who's changed...
I wonder what future cantos will bring in regards to the identity singularitys relationship with the well of humanity. Like they seem incredibly related
I'm a late entree to the verse, but as soon as Angela mentioned how she interrupted the Seed of Light project, I called sus on carmen. Everyone knew too little about what the light even does to blame everything solely on Angela's actions.
This is one of your videos I really enjoyed. Really brings a lot to light I hadn't even considered, you know? Man.. I should get my ass onto Leviathan sometime, lol. Hope we get another video sooner or later, see ya!
Something I dont see talked enough about with Carmen is the possibility that she doesn't necessarily want to distort people. It seems to me that she doesn't necessarily care if they manifest EGO or distort. Personally, the read that she "turned evil" seemed really weird especially with how PM likes to write villains. Same with the idea that she wanted to spread her suffering onto others, it just feels out of character for her considering how she is. Personally, it feels like she's just trying to get people to confront their true selves in some way. Her methods have definitely been, well, distorted since the Lobotomy Corp days considering the death toll that's been racked up. I suppose 10000 years of watching the people you love in a timeloop with countless employees being recycled to try to bring about your dream will do that to you.
Erm, actually- 🤓 Carmen just wanted everybody to manifest ego- But angela stole the light and made distorcions posible Carmen just embraced it, because people would still be able to change their fate, by their own hands EGO is the realisation of the person, their ideals, to fulfill their desires While distortions are just the desesperation, the losing of hope, embracing your misery that you feel in your heart, the aching, enough to make onself "twist", to feel the same that you did, to "make them pay" //:Joke, this video is actually really great, it explains most of the events, fast yet in a good short way I'll add a bit of more things While carmen had the ideals It was Ayin, who had the guts, and made it posible, if it wasnt for Ayin, Carmen would just be another another crazed brackstreets person Ayin made the purgatory to collect the light, and forced Angela to do this, to follow the scrip, so it would have been done, and collect enough with the TT2 protocol Ayin sacrifised everything so Carmen Ideals would be posible Yet Ayin also hated himself from this, for forcing Angela to do this, to grab whathever remains of Carmen and make her be the bucket, he also thinks that it's justified that every sefirah to hate him, at one point he chose to wipe his memories like the sefira because of his mental state(idk much about this), It's even believed that Ayin knew angela would steal the light, and knew it would eventually be realeased ||I'm also interested in the golden bough, because if is related to quilopod meltdown, and overload, it being able to supress abormalities power(what means if abnos were to be left far from one, they would be at their strongest) I still wonder if they're able, if they're the strand of posibility, and resonance with it It must have to be related to EGO, distortions and the power of the self I have a little crackpot, which I think is very wrong, but I think what if the boughs are carmen nerves? Okay now imma go back to sleep, great video man! Edit: I also wonder if Cognito being the L corp domain, being lost means that other wings can use it(because every corporation that falls, their singularity becomes wings domain, aka they can use it) I just wonder if they will be able to even use it in the first place or if they even know how it works..
I always thought the well referred to the Akashic records, a universal repository of “humanity” so to speak, past present and future like the mention in lobcorp says
I feel as if there is something important forgotten when discussing Distortions. Distortions not contacted by Carmen namely how little she does to Distort you. Human being left alone can do either great or ville things. In my opinion she doesn't make them distort she creates situations where through no outside force can influence you, Making the Distortion a choice based on the individual. But shutting out outside influence can be dishonest. Because A distorton can be born of a lie and not a true reflection of ones true feelings as seen in DD.
1:44 - When was it said that she was from District 11? That's where Netzach was from, yes, but it's not something that was confirmed that it's also where Carmen was from. 3:10 - That's an optimistic view, especially as there are some psychos that are dangerous enough without that kind of power. 4:25 - Also, this was BEFORE she was called the Red Mist, as she was a Grade 2 at the time she was recruited. 9:30 - Benjamin was the middle-man with starting that, making a deal with Lady Dias and her Udjat. (That was in the Distortion Detective) 10:06 - That's illegal and that happened after the Head sent TWO Claws and an Arbiter to try and kill everyone there, in order to prevent that...which caused what they tried to prevent. 10:40 - Carmen became non-corporeal after that. 11:25 - Actually that's during and after that. 12:10 - The Distortion predated the White Nights and Dark Days, as the Bloodfiends were made by Nosferatu, which was likely a natural Abnormality, it was mentioned that there are some natural ones and they needed to make most of them to meet the power demand. (Also in the Distortion Detective) Basically she started with the best of intentions, but it slowly eroded her sanity, even death wasn't the end, THAT much time in that state would drive anyone insane, even if they were perfectly sane. She'd have much to talk about with that Batman villain Scarecrow. 15:05 - Distortion Detective is set during the Urban Legend chapter of Library of Ruina. As for Leviathan, despite her best efforts with him, she failed. 17:20 - No, Aseah is currently with N Corp. He was in Leviathan, doing the same kind of experiments and that involved the Ring, the mad artist Finger. (e.g. one of the five strongest organised crime syndicates) So THAT faction is separate from N Corp, but might not have everyone's best interests either? 20:00 - More like doing what Jet Li's character did in The One.
(For context: I watched this until I had to stop at Canto VI spoilers as I haven't got to it yet) I really like how Carmen, even though she's practically unintentionally being villainous on her part, she really is just trying to convince you to go one way instezd of the other without forcing anything. You can literally debate with her if you have enough clarity of mind during your breaking point and it'd be more respectful than most "discussions" we have both IRL and on the internet. Even if you don't like her, you gotta respect how she's fine with some people not distorting even if she thinks that is a better course of action. I wonder what the Head thinks of her and the Light overall, since the only act we saw them do about it was snuffing the Research she and her colleagues conducted.
enLightened Carmen is the sort of person who would take a game like You Have to Burn the Rope and somehow turn it into a manifesto against the state of the City while demanding we embrace our own humanity. She's got one thing on her mind and she will get it done.
Best distortion is a party ever lasting I dont care If its no longer cannon Wonderlab’s is a one off story in the universe plus there are archive sites to read it anyways
I have my own theory's about what going on in the project moon verse those my knowledge of the full verse is limited so some of my theory's might have some hole's but that's just more fun. but spoiler's for PM for the safe side also for anyone who reads this sorry about any spelling and grammar mistakes. also if you read all of it thankyou. 1) the golden boughs and the library: so from the end of library we know that the is angela ego which was made at the lobotomy with the remaining light form the "seed's of light". moreover the library is built on the old lobotomy corps. now a lot of the imagery involving the light and the library has them as trees and for reference a bough is a main branch of a tree. we also know that a lot of boughs are found in place related to the old lobotomy corps. so what I think is bucket transferred from carmen to angela and her ego. the library being built on the main lobotomy corps (is more then likely linked to over lobotomy place) so I posit that the golden bough's are mini bucket's and extension of the library. 2)the sinner's and the bus: know that I have established that I think the golden boughs are I will know posit what I think the first arc of limbus will be about. I think the the sinner's and bus are collecting bough's to make a wish version of LC and realise the light again we know that angela did this in library by collecting the bit's of light that where in people. but for the light to spread it seam's to also need a hight concentration of emotional realisation. the sephirot in LC, angela and roland(some of guest) in LOR and now the sinner's in limbus. who every canto have been forced to go through mini realisation due to the power of the bough's. now I think the library is a controlled version of the light as it seam's that it easy to manifest ego and not full distort as most of the people who distort in library do outside of the library. since the library seam's to dose kind of automatically like the bough's. however since the bough's seem more like a less controlled version of what was happening in the library. to this I think the answer is that the library has been disconnected from the system and with out the main control the smaller system's are running wild. 3)carmon and the sign: I just think it make sense that carmen would have the sign given what it seem's to be and what carmen did. 4)demaion: I think he is anti-carmon or more so that the sign seam's to be given to people who are meant to lead humanity to a better place. I also think this is what the league of nine was trying to in it inventing the mirror. more over the leader of the corps or at least the originator's of singularity's might also have these sign's. this might also be N-corps gaol as well as the head's goal in a weird way all different groups trying to improve humanity in there own way some working together and other's fighting one and other however all trying to reach for the stars. 5)why star's: in the PM universe it seam's like star are a simple for a lot things however it seems they all have somethings in common. like star's are thing's with great impact on the city and to strive to towards them (inorder to become or beat them) is promoted in the city as a goal. star's also seem to symbolise a great power. but other then that I think the reason dante see's star's is because of the sign and so the star that dante see's is an illusion of the sign in order to encourage people to move towards there gaol. 6)faust: I think faust is ever a porto angela or at least something along those lines. for one she knows a lot about old LC facility's as well as being the most guard with information. she also seam's in human in some way that kind of reminds me of LC angela just with less anger and less of a personality. she could also just be a robot made by ayin in order to run everything on the outside making her an interface to wider information bank with out a way to control the information and so her identify is lost among all of it which seam's like something ayin would do. 7)limbus: so depending on weaver the my 2) theory is correct or is unnational correct meaning also not the intent of the limbus I do think that at some point the bus crew will arrive at the library at the lowest moment ever at a half way point or at the end of the first arc. this is to say while I think there is likely hod angela has a hand in limbus some how (more then likely faust or vergileus) I don't think she is the mastermind. I also if my 2) theory is correct the likely hood of it being the head or a finger is unlikely but I also don't think it's unlike that they also might have a hand in pie as well(more then likely outis or vergilesu). I think it reflection of Carmon brought here by the purple tear and the ticking bomb is dante who while likely both die/ be seriously hurt and betray the group unintentional.
I think Faust is more or less related to Angelica(Roland's wife) and Argalia to whatever they came from(from what I read, they came from a supersoldier experiment, hence why Angelica is extremely strong).
Ok lets get a review on this video. For one I personally find that the video itself has some misinformation about L corp, The project of light, and Carmen's intentions at the start First of all it is stated that Carmen is not the cause of distortions rather its Angela who stole the light causing the people of the city to have the seed improperly planted in their souls. Second Carmen's goal was never to take down the head rather it was to allow people to chose their own paths in their lives rather then conforming to the city's will. Third Ayin is not pronounced Iyen it is pronounced Ayin Fourth Ayin did not make Lobotomy Corp strictly to gain the resources to create the Light rather he needed to hide from the heads view.
@@the_fenix_3247 In Library of Ruina it states that Angela messing with the light was what caused it... But Carmen is the one who directly distorts people without Angela it would not happen though
@@the_fenix_3247 distortions were a thing before Carmen. Bloodfiends are confirmed to be one such case in distortion detective, and they used some weirdass ritual before SoL was a thing
20:25 Spoiler canto 6 part 3 Bro, he ACTUALLY distort. But is more like the ensamble distortion than anything, the "wild hunt" is his distortion, where his sorrow and will manifest itself literally causing that those world be dominated became his "Thralls" and follow him trought dimension, to the horse, the sword and the hability to makes his emotion affect reality (ex: the booble mechanic)
in Lord Ayin we believe, he who host the primordial human Adam himself will deliver salvation from the blighted cursed light that burn and distort humanity, through penance and tribunal shall he guide humanity through hell back to where we belong. and only through his daughter shall we find peace. -Probably Hokma
As a PM FANATIC I will say I'm ravenous when it comes to PM lore but....sadly I only know lore about the city itself like offices, syndacites, Fixers and all that but when it comes to EGO, Cogito, Carmen, and all that story I fall MASSIVLT behind but thanks to vids like these I can actually learn more of what I missed out and slowly become a PM encyclopedia!
I understand almost nothing about this franchise beyond the basics. That being said its my understanding that Ayin is ultimately the counter force to Carmen right? Hes the good guy in all of this despite what hes done?
At this point, it's easier to link it. The struggles you'll run into though are that you'll want to have a Google Translate (or similar) plugin. And you'll need to wade through making an account. For now, here's the direct link to the first chapter - projectmoon.postype.com/post/11424955 Again, you might need to login and make an account to see it
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So, are you gonna let the intrusive thoughts win?
If it gives me EGO then yes
i will not, for i know Ayin shall award me for the strength of my will
Yes, I shall hear malkuh breathing copilation for 42 hours
Shes gonna give me an ego so yes i think i will chat with her for a bit
Haven't finished Canto 5 yet will get around to doing it after a few days since tomorrow is Eid
I love how back in the Lobotomy Corporation days/early Library of Ruina days, saying stuff like "Maybe Whitenight represents Carmen because they both have red eyes and other stuff" was met with "Nah that's ridiculous Carmen is a good person".
Also I'm calling it now, the Golden Boughs aren't tree branches but parts of a nervous system, Carmen's nervous system.
so the golden boughs are like corpse parts from steel ball run...
how tf did cathy get a hold of one
@@bakoi8575 the secret ingredient is crime
@@bakoi8575I mean, Linton did just buy one out of sheer clout
... Ayin put what was left of Carmen into the well, which is full of Cogito and used the energy we produced to turn said Cogito into the Seeds of Light.
These seeds got (incompletely) implantet into the city-people and started sprouting into branches.
You might be onto something ... No wonder she is living rent free in our heads.
That was my first thought too ether that or its Solid light that condensed after the White Nights and Dark Days along with the Library's own Light
just say no to Carmen, you CANNOT distort without your consent.
you cannot give your consent if you are unconscious, thusly one cannot Distort if they just sleep it off
@@willvan7685Only happens in Limbus, go and check it out!!
what if I want to distort
@@radiantMotionyou either died imeadiately or become a petaculum
@@radiantMotionjust do the opposite?
As a PM Lore Enjoyer, Carmen-Post Bloodbath is simply the embodiment of "A Human's Will over Human Lives"
It is to put all facets lying beneath humanity's surface over humanity itself.
"Yeah, maybe a thousand humans die, but their souls were rotting, and they should have accepted all of themselves, spilling out everything they keep inside, maybe then, they could have lived."
"If even one human can live, truly and wholly, in their own desire and emotion, then it is worth the sacrifice."
That's the type of Being Carmen has become.
She's so interesting, I want to study her.
Then try to distort so just to converse woth her then?
So she literally envodied Abel beliefs?.
Long have i assumed that Carmen, while charismatic and caring, thought to bring 'salvation' through letting the emotions manifest. She seemed like a figure that felt she could fix others in the way she deemed the best.
Since Cogito was originally developed under her guide, we could lean into claim that she cared about unleashing the elements of the human mind that one keeps smothered inside. Perhaps those emotions from deep dark subconscious were not planned - but she never refused them.
In LoR, she admires the abnos and craddles them, like unheard, mistreated children. She loves them all, no matter how monstrous they are. Note, abnos represent those elements of the human mind, which, if oversaturated and slipping out of control, make one dysfunctional.
Until now, it was safe to assume that Carmen didn't care if a person breaks under their weight, convincing people that those feelings are true and thus need to be brought out. As if she thought that she knew best how to bring them freedom from City's yokes. Self-proclaimed messiah, who asks people to let go with the flow.
I think of the entire Lobotomy Corporation facitily as a ground to fight it. Distortion is not just letting out those feelings to manifest, but let them overwhelm and overwrite a person's reason. Giving voice and control to what should have been kept in check.
If abnos are intrusive thoughts, EGO means taking control of them, acknowledging them but instead of letting them do as they please, use them to grow stronger. Acknowledging weakness, but instead of letting it reshape you, struggle against it. That is, what i felt, Ayins plan for himself and everyone alike.
It feels like Carmen does have more of a gentle nature - merely letting person's emotions flow free, regardless what the emotion is, being one who spurs the transformation. She cares not what spills out of screaming heart, as long as it spills, as to her, sole fact of unleashing it is giving one freedom. It's as if she really believed that this is better for a person than having to fight and struggle, and bear the burden of keeping those dark feelings from breaching. Like a... overworried mother not wanting to see you suffer facing your pain, so convincing you stop fighting.
She's unlikely an evil scheming bint - instead, fool who thinks she knows better how to soothe suffering. Her messiah complex probably was exactly what distilled into White Night, which, in poetic way makes One Sin the facility's most integral piece: weakly, overlooked and inconspicuous desire to admit one's mistakes.
This is really interesting, especially the bit with One Sin, and how it relates to White Night.
For quite a while I heard the theory about White Night being some sort of allegory for Carmen, but if we instead look at the abnormalities as unhealthy aspects of humanity, then White Night should instead be that savior complex that Carmen has, rather than the women herself.
White Night is an omnipresent, near if not fully divine entity that twists the people it "saves" into monstrous forms that, while more powerful than they once were, they lose all control over themselves. (or you lost control of them depending on literal you want to go, it is PM after all) White Night would go rampant if not for one weakness, one chink in the armor of the seemingly all-powerful force.
All it takes is one person, a single individual under its sway to acknowledge their weakness, to be willing to, rather than give in to the voice that offers them comfort even if they are weak, to face that weakness, that flaw of their character, and even if they don't overcome it, even it if causes them to perish, merely confessing, not to any all-powerful creature, but to themself more than anyone else, is enough to overcome White Night.
Now just switch the words around and you get Carmen.
An omnipresent entity that shows up at peoples lowest to offer them comfort, maybe not an easy way out physically to whatever situation they are in, but emotionally, to just let go and allow them to bring forth the true "shape of their heart" so that they may, well really do whatever at that point, usually what the distortee thinks is right when blinded by the emotions that distorted them.
However, if someone is able to look at themselves, and acknowledge that even if things suck, even if everything is going wrong, they are still able to try, to do something, even if its not very much, even if it might destroy them, then they can defy an omni-present being.
There are a lot of interesting ways this could apply to Lob Corp, after all you are literally in a manifestation of Ayin's mind, the facility you manage is literally drawn from his conscience, perhaps you could view White Night as a whole as the first instance of a Distortion Debate TM.
It would be so much easier, so much safer to just give up on Carmen's dream, to give into the despair that X does a few times when they realize what's going on, to simply give up when White Night breaks free, it offers salvation after all, it's one of the few abnormalities that speaks directly to you, it even has the power to prevent you from altering time.
What if White Night doesn't really stop you from doing anything, it wouldn't need to, after all nothing you do will save you, it simply reminds you that this is a hopeless situation (it literally plays 3rd Trumpet the first time it breaches), and if you just give in and let it take over it will guide you.
Yet a part of X (or Ayin depending on how you want to look at it) still sees a way out, even if it would cost them just a little more, a little more than they have already given in pursuit of this goal, if they are willing to pay the price, a price that costs yet another life, when they are already at the brink of despair for what they have done, they can make it out, to manifest the goal they have worked so hard to achieve, to bring forth the light that will allow people to do the same.
But that's just a rough theory I came up with while writing the rest, it probably has a bunch of holes, but I felt it was interesting enough to share.
@@draconicworkshop5679 "What if White Night doesn't really stop you from doing anything, it wouldn't need to, after all nothing you do will save you, it simply reminds you that this is a hopeless situation"
On the contrary White Night is offering you salvation, it rids you of your sins and provides guidance.
White Night is saving you.
But the central thesis of LC, LoR and Limbus paints this act in a very bleak light.
Afterall everyone in the city is full of sins and to an extent those sins are what define them.
To accept White Night is to lose everything that chains you including the human parts of you that care about those chains binding you to others.
White Night grants Salvation by changing you so that you can accept the situation at hand.
It's hard to undergo so much hardship without losing ones way, it's not so surprising that she'd develop poor coping mechanisms to deal with it all, becoming... Whatever she is now certainly wouldn't help.
Basically a perfect recipe for a misanthropic savior, she still thinks she's doing good, but only because she's lost sight of what "things are okay" actually looks like. She's been alienated from her own humanity, perhaps ironically.
3:46 I misread that as "The Bluetooth Incident"
"You have been disconnected from life" 💀
If this is what happens to Cathy istg
Still works...
...Kind...off??@@FreyCheqama
Just one month after the Lobotomy Corporation game came out and i startet diving into the rabbit hole, i commentet a few times that Carmen seems to have gone crazy/more unhinged somewhere after Enoch died and got turned into the mother of abnormalitys.
You would be surprised how many told me to shut up, that i dont understand anything about the story, that Carmen is completely innocent and a hero, etc.
and now we start agreeing that she is the antichrist of the PMverse. How times change.
Truly
I started suspect something wrong when, during early access of LoR, appeared the part with Philip's underdeveloped E.G.O. and Angela said it was actually the plan of Seed of Light. I remembered the final part of "Crime and Punishment" from my russian school curriculum - Raskolnikov's literal fever dream when his ideology of "trembling creature and rightful person" has been extrapolated in its absolute on humanity. There, people died out in some sort of battle royale amongst "great personae" that everyone is, without those who earn the bread, without workers and servants. Thus, Karmen was, in my eyes then, either naive into delusion (like Raskolnikov was), or somewhat senator Armstrong-level libertarian, where in her world "people would kill and die for what they believe". Now, she seems to me more like elder Lukas from Gorky's play "The Lower Depths/At the bottom".
@@user-mw1hk1jd5d "Crime and Punishment" IS THAT A (Rodian) LIMBUS COMPANY REFERENCE?!?!?!
I wouldn't exactly call her the antichrist, but she's crazy as hell for sure,always has been.
I also think Carmen doesn't really care whether you distort or gain EGO. Either outcome still fits her view (Distortion: they live with their true feelings laid bare; EGO: they find a path forward that also define who they really are). Problem is since she only shows up when the subject is in immense emotional distress, so most of the time they will distort, which isn't the more favorable outcome.
I think she still have a preference for Distortion because they're easier to make and control, but ultimately it's unimportant to her.
She prefers distortion since freely accepting despair leads to less personal suffering and guaranteed "success". EGO is a compromise to her since it's far and away better than what the City does to everyone.
Although everyone having EGO has the potential to be the actual utopia she is searching for, she herself faltered and cannot believe that everyone could possibly manifest EGO.
she becomes disappointed in Leviathan when Vergilius doesnt distort, so she has a preference
That is because most people dont understand the aspect of ego/shadow.
They just think Ego good, shadow Bad.
A frace in bleach tell is best:
"Are you the horse?
Or the king atop it?"
Ego is a continuous fight of control, and even a rejection of the natural self
In that the Eneamble was the most adbance, a distortion regulated to human form.
Very similar to what Arrancars are theme on, while Shinigamies are Ego and their Zampakto a expresion of their natural self, yet they have to train and try to underestand it, to then name it and even make it expres itself into reality to a fusion/expresion of self (bankai)
@@nihilego3634 With the release of Philclair, you're correct that she prefers Distortion, but more like because gaining EGO is a much more painful ordeal in her eyes. Though she seems to be aware of his ultimate fate (Distortion).
This video has been officially approved by Carmen! :)
Carmen, should I distort?
@@Sky_dartsWhy shouldn't you?
My soul never waver.
What happened to your ideals? What happened to you during the loops that made you this way? You could use this opportunity from the Light to help people, to fulfill your original goal... why are you doing this?
@@CarmenFromLcorp fair point
Something worth mentioning is that Limbus CGs' internal filenames include a three digit number indicating the canto and stage it gets used in. Going by this naming scheme, the Carmen CGs should have included the number 634. But instead they skip ahead by 32.
It's funny to imagine that the only reason Heathcliff distorts is because of a meta reference only data miners would get.
The stage name? The Beast.
I don't get it
666, interesting
It fits with the hell, or inferno theme of Limbus
@@ultrio325 634+32=666
7:16 It's the other way around, Lisa's vicious mumbling wasn't truly sincere when she told Carmen she should've been the one to die. However, when Carmen agreed that she should have died, it was genuine.
"You should've been the one to die..."
"Yeah. I- I should have died..."
I think it's interesting how almost every extraordinary thing that happens in the project Moon setting is because of humanity and humanities potential.
What if Cathy heard Carmans voice but instead of distorting or gaining a ego she decided to try and gain Carmans ID?
Carman and Ayin were just as doomed as Catherine and Heathcliff so it's possible
Let's not forget that almost every single uptie monologue is... Literally a monologue of Carmen. I suddenly reliased than when reading uptie story of L Corp remnant Faust. Of course there are some exceptions, like when there are actual dialogues between characters in uptie stories, but otherwise it's just Carmen's perspective and thoughts on things.
That's still not completely confirmed, there's reason to believe it could also be PT.
PT has seen thousands of mirror worlds giving her acess to that knowledge.
Unlike Carmen whoose never reffered to other people as childs PT does and the narrator for the upties reffers to every sinner's ID as a child.
@@theresnothinghere1745 who is
PT again? I forgot it
@@alenabianca9328 Purple Tear
@@theresnothinghere1745I’d be more willing to buy into it being Iori rather than Carmen. I mean doesn’t the after credits scene in LoR hint towards Limbus being her idea?
@@Littleman3240 To be fair that now removed post credit scene was about building a fixer association to handle that.
And while there are still some refferences to people trying to build an association for handling distortions Limbus company is stated to be a seperate thing 'to deal with it on the corporate level'.
Not to mention first guys you fight in the intro are implied to be her lackeys.
Which implies Iori is opposed to Limbus rather than with them.
You just implanted the idea of Catherine being used as a vessel for Carmen, now I'll be sad if it doesn't happen
Love how at the beginning before lor/limbus people thought of carmen as the least mentally ill but turns out shes the batshit insane of them all,would distort for her
Carmen deffinitly became the Antichrist of PMverse because LEVIATHAN SPOILER AHEAD
When Vergilius talk to Carmen, she mentions how her Junior AKA Ayin who reminder is also part of the light is actively fighting against her(We dont know what he is doing, but he IS doing something), even tho he is the ONE person who followed Carmen even after her attempted suicide and making the Thousand year long Lobotomy Corp Seed of Light Project
And with how Dante seemingly aware about Peccatulums true nature with the sudden mind flashback in To Claim Their Bone, AND the fact Dante and the 12 Sinners seem to act like Jesus and his Followers(Doesnt help Rose Thorn Gregor heavily confirm this)
Yeah, Ayin is probably the reason why Limbus Company has a surprising amount of guidance
Here's some quotes from Carmen in Leviathan, copied from a reddit comment about Ayin's relevance to E.G.O. ( Just in case people were curious )
[ Book 18 of Leviathan (I’m using the fan-translation by Snakeskinfs) features some talk from Carmen about Distortion and EGO, about how the result can be different thanks to her “junior”, presumably Ayin, joining her in the light:
"It is to become a self unbound by the eyes and standards of the City. However, the resulting form changes depending on the way it was revealed. ...Thanks to my junior, who has a different idea than me, joining the Light."
Later, she says this in reference to her junior, which is relevant given how EGO manifests in the form of clothes and tools:
"...You ask the same question as my junior. We must struggle, but as human beings, we should use reason, not emotion..."
The voice adjusted itself.
"So, he said, we have to fight in the most human way possible, through clothing and tools, while holding the human form in high regard." ]
So...who would be judas?
@@fqck1999Gregor is the most Jewish of the Sinners(If we are using Book Greg and the fact hes the last one), and he DOES have Jesus like Symbolism like how he was a former Hero treated like a Messiah but now fallen really badly, and how he got Rose Thorn EGO
Sinclair is supposed to be the 10th Sinner but he ended up being 11th because Dante is the 10th(Also the Association Dieci is Italian word, also wearing pretty much Catholic Priest Outfits)
@@fqck1999 Lob corp era angela, probably? I mean she does redeem herself in LoR and all but in lob corp I'd say she's the best fit, since she pretty much fucks over Ayin completely and Ayin is very non subtly hinted at being pretty much PM jesus.
I think there is one other detail that benefits analyzing Carmen. The final conflict between X and Adam. Especially because Adam’s goal of explicitly turning everyone in monsters to follow Carmen does actually remind me of one thing. Before Angela is about to return the light, we do see that Carmen is able and willing to take the form of the person she’s trying to influence. Its lead to be speculate if Adam is actually Carmen doing what she did with Angela or if there is something else within the light using Carmen as a template on how to influence others. Basically whether she’s the Equivalent of White Night or someone who was twisted into an Apostle. To be clear Im not sure about any of these speculations and am absurdly hype to see what Project Moon cooks up because Im sure its gonna be amazing (and hell even if it isn’t cantos 1-5 are more than good enough to stand up in a vacuum ^^)
Yoo!! That Adam analogy almost made it into the video before stuff had to be cut for time. It's impressive how much Adam and our reactions to him really resemble the perspective on Carmen now. Great mention.
@@FreyCheqama Yehh makes sense as that part is definitely the one most open to speculation in comparison to the stuff from leviathan. Side note "The flesh within is bound to rot when it's covered with ill fitting skin" quote from Adam is such a raw trans mood and I adore it ^^
The fact Heathcliff was able to distort makes me extremely worried for future encounters. Until this canto many believed the EGO our sinners carry was stable and they were safe but this canto feels like a set of intentions.
Knowing Don Quixote and the name of her Canto I wouldn't be surprised if they make her fall into further insanity
i think carmen embodies the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" i think she knows that it's very cowardly to go back into a shell like philip did but she thinks it's what the people's humanity would've wanted
also it's funny that she's called "the beast" by project moon
The Beast...
This sounds awfully familiar to the Beast of the book of Revelations in the Christian Bible.
I would be calling her that too if she told me to distort
Yes! Exactly! She is indeed a Beast of Humanity now!
I knew something about this was familiar to me, fantastic comparison.
One thing i find interesting about project moons magic system is how humanity focused it is the miraculous technology of the wings and even of the workshops are result of humanity and if i am understanding this correctly the power distortions and e.g.o users have come from The well of humanity.
"technology so advance is indistinguishable from Magic"
Thus now, the most Magic aspect, literal will power over writing reality
A reality bender by ScP terminology.
As someone who has a 60+ (and counting) page limbus theory doc, SEVERAL PAGES OF WHICH are dedicated solely to the cathy/carmen parallels -- including that exact diary entry -- and who's been hyper suspicious of carmen ever since i got into this series, god bless you for this whole video like fr, i feel validated in a lot of my own theories/thoughts about her, and your theory about cathy's motivations/actions has me wildin' tbfh
i swear to god if part 3 drops tomorrow and confirms MY theories i'm going to explode--
(ps, is THAT how you pronounce ayin? as a certified Ayin Fanclub member i feel silly now... )
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU thank you! I'm glad more PM Loreheads are coming out of the woodwork now.
As for the Ayin thing, apparently people use the hard 'A'? I always pronounced it like Zayin. No idea if this is a Chesed/Cheesed thing or if it's actually different strokes. We'll find out.
the funny thing is that we problably are going to discover new things about carmen in canto 6 (tomorow)
13:40, I'd say it's clear enough that while an important cause of suicide was getting heartbroken after killing Enoch, there was another part to it, which is to sacrifice herself, because it was necessary.
Like day 48 shows, she knew she HAD to become the Bucket, she laid it out so calmly that Ayin of all people was pissed. Though she's saintified in Lobcorp, Ayin calls her suicide a "noble sacrifice for the sake of humanity" multiple times, something tells me he knew that well enough. And she did have a talk with Ayin before that to completely make sure he follows the path she laid out, saying: "no matter what I'll become, please finish what I started". The contrast between her downright frightening abilities to manipulate about everyone (staring down grade 2 Kali, convincing Daniel to ditch his guaranteed great job at A corp, etc.) and having a geniunely good heart is an aspect of her pre-ruina character I don't see people talk about enough, imo.
My sincere understanding is that part of the reason for her slitting wrists was actually coldly manipulating the research team into finishing her dream. Really makes me wonder what her backstory is about
One thing. My impression was that, the "compatibility" bit was exactly for the sake of getting a hold of more cogito, cause their sample size was too small to make any meaningful testing. Day 48 cutscene also showcases this because Carmen barged into Ayin's room, and detailed an entire plan that scared Ayin in what it was about, and felt hurt by how she made it seem like it had nothing to do with him in her plans, a clear sign to me that the bucket was devised by Carmen herself, and the way he talks about it "being the only way", I guess she had put herself up for being a sacrifice even before the bloodbath incident. Cause remember, this is the city, they could have easily brought her back from the brink, hell Ayin managed to make Hod "survive" despite having hung herself in her own apartment, and who knows how much brain damage she suffered from the act until someone found her body, the issue was that Ayin knew from her own mouth what she intended to do, so the suicide was a way to force Ayin's hand into making use of her body to make the vehicle to get more cogito so their progress could finally move.
Carmen is really sick in the head...
Okay, so, this is probably going to sound a little deranged, but this idea has been living in my head rent free for the last few weeks and I really need it to go, so here we are.
Carmen is Nietzsce's Ubermensch that didn't make it. Hear me out.
I have to say fiirst that I haven't finished the book yet, but from my limited understanding (however flawed it may be) it fits very well together.
To start, Nietzsche's ubermensch has a characteristic which is very remenicent of Carmen: Love. Like a sun giving selflessly its light to the world, so did ubermensch wanted to share the light of knowledge with the rest of the world.
Carmen loved people, everyone from the lowest of the low to the wisest of men. She wanted to share this light she had, this joy and realize humanity's potential in a way that would allow them to become superhumans too. So she set out to do just that, gathering the crew, researching how to make it possible. To spread the literal and metaphorical Light. Light was supposed to be that nudge, that push for people to become ubermensch too, however that never happend. Because Carmen didn't have the Will to do it. In Nietzsche's book the will of a person is a pivotal part and Carmen lacked that. Ayin didn't. He made everything possible and acheived the end result, no matter the cost. But that's not so important. What is important is what Carmen came to represent.
After her time as a bucket she came to the other idea presented in Nietzsche's work: the last men. Last men are people who live for nothing but happiness. Blissful, uneventful existence. They are tired of life, take no risks, and seek only comfort and security (which is very City like, you gotta admit).
So when people stand at the crossroads: to present their wills and push through and aquire an EGO or fall back into security of basic desires and distort, many people Distort.
And... that's basically all I wanted to say. Honestly, regardess if this gets debunked or not, I'm just glad I got this thought evicted from my mind.
Now it's your problem too. Goodbye.
Cathy tried extracting an ID but the only one she was able to pull was Heathcliff.
2:19
Huh, pretty sure the Well of Humanity is just another name for the collective unconscious. The in-universe manual of Lobotomy Corporation and its artbook directly name-droped it, and the Abnormalities - extracted from the Well - are also said to be products of the archetypes within that collective unconscious. All in all, it's a fundamental jungian approach to things.
Thus, Carmen's attempt at trying to cure the "sickness of the mind" is just basically forcing the people of the City to confront their unconscious complexes and traumas, trying to connect them with their "soul" and solve the collective neurosis thet City (still) is undergoing. The fact that during DD, Moses comments that everyone in the City has signs of Distortion is related to this, since light is what allows the (unconscious) mind to be manifested: the people in the City are, by default, controlled by their unconsciour urges and wishes, close to regress to "animalistic or monstrous figures" - the alien symbols that "inhabit" the unconscious world according to Jung's work.
12:17
And Distortions are the result of Carmen abandoning her wish to make people connect with their unconscious self and individuate them (another jungian concept), now focused on solving the neurosis... by destroying the differentiating capacities of consciousness - the core principle of individuation -, regressing everything into a "final" (not really, but I like how dramatic it sounds) union with primitive unconsciousness. Now, you don't have to suffer being separated of yourself, because you're now your (unconscious) self, guided entirely by complexes and traumas.
By that matter, that's the reason of why (some) Distortions are similar to a number of Abnormalities (and even Ordeals), because they' share the same archetypal roots. The collective unconscious, after all, is the foundation of the human mind.
Funnily enough, Demian's entire schtick is also jungian, since Hesse was inspired by Jung's work. His motivation seems to be for people to realize themselves, to reach their whole Self, both unconscious and conscious. That's the likely reason he sees the Mirror technology as stealing: you're essentially running out of your own personal truth and meaning - you're rejecting yourself and "stealing" the Self of others.
I very much enjoyed this comment
That thing....
It distors me
God hand:we're the greatest manipulators of all times!
Carmen:sure gramps, now go to bed
So I have this theory that filled my mind ever since the end of part two.
First, the Cathy mirror scene, this is either Cathy meeting Carmen or, what if Cathy has the ability to see mirror words? Then that ghosts she saw were just echos of other mirror words, that would explain why she said she understands thoose ghosts after that.
Second, Cathy works with N corp. Cathy herself seems to be an inventor and we my theory about her ability is correct then there is even more evidence for her to work with N corp. That would explain why she knows about Heathcliff and by him Limbus Company going for boughs.
Third, everything that happened in Wuthering Heights since we came there was Cathy's plan to make Heathcliff distort, why? Because by this she can come and "save" him so he won't leave her ever again or based on that single line from her at the end of part 2, she wants to try and kinda hijack the distortion of Heathcliff so that he will obey her using that machine, golden bough and probably by putting herself in comatose state to increase her connection with light.
Please tell me I don't sound like conspiracy theorist.
In at least one MD, you have put food on the table
What do you think now? You agree with the ending of Canto 6?
@@HandleDeeezNutz Well I at least was right about N corp. I was familiar with PM's game and still underestimated them
There is a tragic dimension to her character to be honest, someone outstandingly kind being broken by the city until she became one its various phenomenon's
Interestingly, keeping with the Kabbalah themes, Carmen’s philosophy fits the philosophy of Belial, which is the Qliphoth counterpart to Daat.
The philosophy of Belial is curiosity turned into selfishness and greed (usually in the context of knowledge since Daat is the Sephirah of Knowledge and enlightenment (which is also likely the Sephirah Angela represents since she runs the Library)), which fits Carmen to a T.
This might be a bit late but the retcon in distortions but I honestly love the idea that after seeing that you can literally knock someone out before they can distort Carmen decided to be more involved.
Tldr: Carmen fears the frenchman's fist. Mersault vs. Carmen was a 10:0 match up.
the well of humanity is the collective subconscious. think of it as the meta-streumonic-force from stalker.
19:50 I do kind of want to briefly remind a very fleeting line from c6part1, where Nelly mentioned that she was ordered to remove all mirrors from manor. Maybe?
Although white nights and dark days definitely caused carmen's view of humanity to distort(heh). I believe that she also saw it as something necessary as she gave the city itself the capability to fight which was her original desire.
Overall, her views were good but naturally you have to think about that she was the one who created the experiment of taking enkhepalin from people. To some extent, you also going to have a realization that she only faltered once she realizes that she had to be the one to be used as an experiment which she turned down causing the death of a certain kid that led down to her downfall/guilt.
In conclusion, Carmen was never the good-good typa person. She saw the greater good which attracted a bunch of hooligans(sephiroth) to follow her. In the end, she and "him" succeeded and right now soreading across the city with their seed lying in wait for everyone to manifest and may be heading towards "the new world" [stated by Damien and Sonya in canto 3 but could also be referred as a world war/potential rebellion in the city if we are following their novels description of the mark]
"Carmen was never the good-good typa person"
I take issue with this portrayal.
Reluctance to sacrifice yourself when:
1) You are the lynch pin of the entire operation to the point your colleges oppose sacrificing you
2) There might exist potential alternatives that don't cost one of the most important people to keep things running
Doesn't make Carmen a bad person.
The word that describes Carmen is 'Weak hearted' as she described herself in LC.
Carmen had good intentions, she knew these intetions would have difficult decisions and when she eventually came across one she collapsed.
"that she was the one who created the experiment of taking enkhepalin from people"
It's hard to know to what extent she was responsible for that, the process of abno creation wasn't clear at all until A got a firm grasp by testing cogito injection into Netz.
We don't even know if they had the idea to garner light from abnos during Carmen's time or if that only came about when A went mind of steel and focused on meeting the end goals above all else.
Issue with what you mention on Aseah, from the patch notes which are going through today when Canto 6 Part 3 is released:
>Fixed an issue where a certain character had incorrect portrait background colors
Might wanna double check those cutscenes after the patch to see if Aseah is the one who's changed...
Holy shit. I'm gonna cackle if he loses his team colors. Nice find!
Autobalanced.
I wonder what future cantos will bring in regards to the identity singularitys relationship with the well of humanity. Like they seem incredibly related
thank you thank you thank you , been looking for a video talking about carmen
I'm a late entree to the verse, but as soon as Angela mentioned how she interrupted the Seed of Light project, I called sus on carmen. Everyone knew too little about what the light even does to blame everything solely on Angela's actions.
OMG THANK YOU, finally a video that doesn't need 2 hours to explain this and actually does it well!
This is one of your videos I really enjoyed. Really brings a lot to light I hadn't even considered, you know?
Man.. I should get my ass onto Leviathan sometime, lol.
Hope we get another video sooner or later, see ya!
Loving this new format, keep up the good work
I love you for those lore videos
18:53 hey so about that, this was a bug, as was mentioned in the latest patch notes (but the rest of the video is great!)
Something I dont see talked enough about with Carmen is the possibility that she doesn't necessarily want to distort people. It seems to me that she doesn't necessarily care if they manifest EGO or distort. Personally, the read that she "turned evil" seemed really weird especially with how PM likes to write villains. Same with the idea that she wanted to spread her suffering onto others, it just feels out of character for her considering how she is. Personally, it feels like she's just trying to get people to confront their true selves in some way. Her methods have definitely been, well, distorted since the Lobotomy Corp days considering the death toll that's been racked up. I suppose 10000 years of watching the people you love in a timeloop with countless employees being recycled to try to bring about your dream will do that to you.
Just wanna say that Aseah's background got corrected to match N corp gang in the last patch
Somedays, self care is making people go insane :)
14:02 I need to rewtach those cutscenes...I thought it was Angela talking for the longest time
Erm, actually- 🤓
Carmen just wanted everybody to manifest ego-
But angela stole the light and made distorcions posible
Carmen just embraced it, because people would still be able to change their fate, by their own hands
EGO is the realisation of the person, their ideals, to fulfill their desires
While distortions are just the desesperation, the losing of hope, embracing your misery that you feel in your heart, the aching, enough to make onself "twist", to feel the same that you did, to "make them pay"
//:Joke, this video is actually really great, it explains most of the events, fast yet in a good short way
I'll add a bit of more things
While carmen had the ideals
It was Ayin, who had the guts, and made it posible, if it wasnt for Ayin, Carmen would just be another another crazed brackstreets person
Ayin made the purgatory to collect the light, and forced Angela to do this, to follow the scrip, so it would have been done, and collect enough with the TT2 protocol
Ayin sacrifised everything so Carmen Ideals would be posible
Yet Ayin also hated himself from this, for forcing Angela to do this, to grab whathever remains of Carmen and make her be the bucket, he also thinks that it's justified that every sefirah to hate him, at one point he chose to wipe his memories like the sefira because of his mental state(idk much about this), It's even believed that Ayin knew angela would steal the light, and knew it would eventually be realeased
||I'm also interested in the golden bough, because if is related to quilopod meltdown, and overload, it being able to supress abormalities power(what means if abnos were to be left far from one, they would be at their strongest)
I still wonder if they're able, if they're the strand of posibility, and resonance with it
It must have to be related to EGO, distortions and the power of the self
I have a little crackpot, which I think is very wrong, but I think what if the boughs are carmen nerves?
Okay now imma go back to sleep, great video man!
Edit: I also wonder if Cognito being the L corp domain, being lost means that other wings can use it(because every corporation that falls, their singularity becomes wings domain, aka they can use it)
I just wonder if they will be able to even use it in the first place or if they even know how it works..
I always thought the well referred to the Akashic records, a universal repository of “humanity” so to speak, past present and future like the mention in lobcorp says
New lore drop tomorrow soon
After watching this video, I cant fkihnsleep anymore because the update is tomorrow and it's going to be hype!!!
0:11 i mean…it is worth it look at the carnage it has done it’s beautiful
I feel as if there is something important forgotten when discussing Distortions.
Distortions not contacted by Carmen namely how little she does to Distort you.
Human being left alone can do either great or ville things.
In my opinion she doesn't make them distort she creates situations where through no outside force can influence you, Making the Distortion a choice based on the individual.
But shutting out outside influence can be dishonest. Because A distorton can be born of a lie and not a true reflection of ones true feelings as seen in DD.
Basically distortion is a delusion of one's true self... pretty much what Philipp became when he was broken down by the 8 o'clock circus.
1:44 - When was it said that she was from District 11? That's where Netzach was from, yes, but it's not something that was confirmed that it's also where Carmen was from.
3:10 - That's an optimistic view, especially as there are some psychos that are dangerous enough without that kind of power.
4:25 - Also, this was BEFORE she was called the Red Mist, as she was a Grade 2 at the time she was recruited.
9:30 - Benjamin was the middle-man with starting that, making a deal with Lady Dias and her Udjat. (That was in the Distortion Detective)
10:06 - That's illegal and that happened after the Head sent TWO Claws and an Arbiter to try and kill everyone there, in order to prevent that...which caused what they tried to prevent.
10:40 - Carmen became non-corporeal after that.
11:25 - Actually that's during and after that.
12:10 - The Distortion predated the White Nights and Dark Days, as the Bloodfiends were made by Nosferatu, which was likely a natural Abnormality, it was mentioned that there are some natural ones and they needed to make most of them to meet the power demand. (Also in the Distortion Detective)
Basically she started with the best of intentions, but it slowly eroded her sanity, even death wasn't the end, THAT much time in that state would drive anyone insane, even if they were perfectly sane. She'd have much to talk about with that Batman villain Scarecrow.
15:05 - Distortion Detective is set during the Urban Legend chapter of Library of Ruina. As for Leviathan, despite her best efforts with him, she failed.
17:20 - No, Aseah is currently with N Corp. He was in Leviathan, doing the same kind of experiments and that involved the Ring, the mad artist Finger. (e.g. one of the five strongest organised crime syndicates)
So THAT faction is separate from N Corp, but might not have everyone's best interests either?
20:00 - More like doing what Jet Li's character did in The One.
Carmen is literally the definition of "gaslight gatekeep girl boss"
(For context: I watched this until I had to stop at Canto VI spoilers as I haven't got to it yet)
I really like how Carmen, even though she's practically unintentionally being villainous on her part, she really is just trying to convince you to go one way instezd of the other without forcing anything. You can literally debate with her if you have enough clarity of mind during your breaking point and it'd be more respectful than most "discussions" we have both IRL and on the internet.
Even if you don't like her, you gotta respect how she's fine with some people not distorting even if she thinks that is a better course of action. I wonder what the Head thinks of her and the Light overall, since the only act we saw them do about it was snuffing the Research she and her colleagues conducted.
3:22 "I'll sell my invention so that everyone can be distorted! Everyone can be powerful! And when everyone's powerful... no one will be."
enLightened Carmen is the sort of person who would take a game like You Have to Burn the Rope and somehow turn it into a manifesto against the state of the City while demanding we embrace our own humanity. She's got one thing on her mind and she will get it done.
Welp with part 3 you got you answers
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I have no idea what this game is but it sounds NEAT!
Best distortion is a party ever lasting
I dont care If its no longer cannon Wonderlab’s is a one off story in the universe plus there are archive sites to read it anyways
cant wait for this vid to age like milk in a few hours
Same
Explain
i think the levers are for the golden bough to activate
Wait a minute
Canto 6 is just Lobotomy Corporation 2?!
Feel like I should’ve read this after chapter 6 and finishing library of ruina
19:28 Carmen shows up to tell you about herself
I have my own theory's about what going on in the project moon verse those my knowledge of the full verse is limited so some of my theory's might have some hole's but that's just more fun. but spoiler's for PM for the safe side also for anyone who reads this sorry about any spelling and grammar mistakes. also if you read all of it thankyou.
1) the golden boughs and the library: so from the end of library we know that the is angela ego which was made at the lobotomy with the remaining light form the "seed's of light". moreover the library is built on the old lobotomy corps. now a lot of the imagery involving the light and the library has them as trees and for reference a bough is a main branch of a tree. we also know that a lot of boughs are found in place related to the old lobotomy corps. so what I think is bucket transferred from carmen to angela and her ego. the library being built on the main lobotomy corps (is more then likely linked to over lobotomy place) so I posit that the golden bough's are mini bucket's and extension of the library.
2)the sinner's and the bus: know that I have established that I think the golden boughs are I will know posit what I think the first arc of limbus will be about. I think the the sinner's and bus are collecting bough's to make a wish version of LC and realise the light again we know that angela did this in library by collecting the bit's of light that where in people. but for the light to spread it seam's to also need a hight concentration of emotional realisation. the sephirot in LC, angela and roland(some of guest) in LOR and now the sinner's in limbus. who every canto have been forced to go through mini realisation due to the power of the bough's. now I think the library is a controlled version of the light as it seam's that it easy to manifest ego and not full distort as most of the people who distort in library do outside of the library. since the library seam's to dose kind of automatically like the bough's. however since the bough's seem more like a less controlled version of what was happening in the library. to this I think the answer is that the library has been disconnected from the system and with out the main control the smaller system's are running wild.
3)carmon and the sign: I just think it make sense that carmen would have the sign given what it seem's to be and what carmen did.
4)demaion: I think he is anti-carmon or more so that the sign seam's to be given to people who are meant to lead humanity to a better place. I also think this is what the league of nine was trying to in it inventing the mirror. more over the leader of the corps or at least the originator's of singularity's might also have these sign's. this might also be N-corps gaol as well as the head's goal in a weird way all different groups trying to improve humanity in there own way some working together and other's fighting one and other however all trying to reach for the stars.
5)why star's: in the PM universe it seam's like star are a simple for a lot things however it seems they all have somethings in common. like star's are thing's with great impact on the city and to strive to towards them (inorder to become or beat them) is promoted in the city as a goal. star's also seem to symbolise a great power. but other then that I think the reason dante see's star's is because of the sign and so the star that dante see's is an illusion of the sign in order to encourage people to move towards there gaol.
6)faust: I think faust is ever a porto angela or at least something along those lines. for one she knows a lot about old LC facility's as well as being the most guard with information. she also seam's in human in some way that kind of reminds me of LC angela just with less anger and less of a personality. she could also just be a robot made by ayin in order to run everything on the outside making her an interface to wider information bank with out a way to control the information and so her identify is lost among all of it which seam's like something ayin would do.
7)limbus: so depending on weaver the my 2) theory is correct or is unnational correct meaning also not the intent of the limbus I do think that at some point the bus crew will arrive at the library at the lowest moment ever at a half way point or at the end of the first arc. this is to say while I think there is likely hod angela has a hand in limbus some how (more then likely faust or vergileus) I don't think she is the mastermind. I also if my 2) theory is correct the likely hood of it being the head or a finger is unlikely but I also don't think it's unlike that they also might have a hand in pie as well(more then likely outis or vergilesu). I think it reflection of Carmon brought here by the purple tear and the ticking bomb is dante who while likely both die/ be seriously hurt and betray the group unintentional.
I think Faust is more or less related to Angelica(Roland's wife) and Argalia to whatever they came from(from what I read, they came from a supersoldier experiment, hence why Angelica is extremely strong).
Ok lets get a review on this video.
For one I personally find that the video itself has some misinformation about L corp, The project of light, and Carmen's intentions at the start
First of all it is stated that Carmen is not the cause of distortions rather its Angela who stole the light causing the people of the city to have the seed improperly planted in their souls.
Second Carmen's goal was never to take down the head rather it was to allow people to chose their own paths in their lives rather then conforming to the city's will.
Third Ayin is not pronounced Iyen it is pronounced Ayin
Fourth Ayin did not make Lobotomy Corp strictly to gain the resources to create the Light rather he needed to hide from the heads view.
I still really loved the video though its good!
On the first point, when was stated that Carmen doesn't cause all the distortions?
@@the_fenix_3247 In Library of Ruina it states that Angela messing with the light was what caused it...
But Carmen is the one who directly distorts people without Angela it would not happen though
Last point holds true due to Angela's very existence violating the Head's Ethics Amendment.
@@the_fenix_3247 distortions were a thing before Carmen. Bloodfiends are confirmed to be one such case in distortion detective, and they used some weirdass ritual before SoL was a thing
21:30 is there a Doubt in Inside Out 2?!
XD
Carmen when bath:
"Nah, I'd win."
turns out, carmen was not associated with cathy.
but what we've got is as cool
so the last section of this video aged like wine.
"i have a voice in my head and she calls me studmuffin"
GRAHHH I'm.... GONNA .... Manifest Distorgo!!!!
Im a ujd fan how did this get recommended to me? Although seems interesting, should I join the rabbit hole?
I'm biased, but yes.
Pm, wheres my maid ryoshu now?
All hail Carmen.
Belive in the plAn
Be the Best you CAn Be
19:35 we gunna ignore the hilarious name use here? as well as the irony of that?
20:25 Spoiler canto 6 part 3
Bro, he ACTUALLY distort.
But is more like the ensamble distortion than anything, the "wild hunt" is his distortion, where his sorrow and will manifest itself literally causing that those world be dominated became his "Thralls" and follow him trought dimension, to the horse, the sword and the hability to makes his emotion affect reality (ex: the booble mechanic)
cogito,ergo sum
i think,therefore am
some latin philosopher
holy shit new lobotomy company video
Carmen is very similar to kyubey from madoka magica
Also a mix of the Emperor of Mankind
Carmen and the existance of Lobotomy Corp is proof that people will do anything rathern than going to theraphy
Crackhead theory is that the Golden Boughs is actualy parts of Carmen's Nervous System which I find metal as shit.
It's a great one and could very well be real
Hi,making a joke about Canto 6 here.
So,spoilers warning
21:08 Carmen and who?
it was not 10.000 years ,it was 1.000.000 years
Ooh, this is a good mention! That one was for Angela specifically where she experienced time slower than others.
in Lord Ayin we believe, he who host the primordial human Adam himself will deliver salvation from the blighted cursed light that burn and distort humanity, through penance and tribunal shall he guide humanity through hell back to where we belong.
and only through his daughter shall we find peace.
-Probably Hokma
As a PM FANATIC I will say I'm ravenous when it comes to PM lore but....sadly I only know lore about the city itself like offices, syndacites, Fixers and all that but when it comes to EGO, Cogito, Carmen, and all that story I fall MASSIVLT behind but thanks to vids like these I can actually learn more of what I missed out and slowly become a PM encyclopedia!
I don’t even know what limbus company even is but nice vid ig
Be like Vergil call her a coward and manifest EGO instead
I understand almost nothing about this franchise beyond the basics. That being said its my understanding that Ayin is ultimately the counter force to Carmen right? Hes the good guy in all of this despite what hes done?
I think that's a good way to take how it is these days, yee.
Where do you read Leviathan?
At this point, it's easier to link it. The struggles you'll run into though are that you'll want to have a Google Translate (or similar) plugin. And you'll need to wade through making an account. For now, here's the direct link to the first chapter - projectmoon.postype.com/post/11424955
Again, you might need to login and make an account to see it
AYOOOOOOOO
She reminds me of those theories where what if the Emperor of Mankind becomes a God and obliterates everything
20:48 :D hehehe
23:15 >:D HEHEHE
DISTORT NOW!