Inside the Deadly Waco Siege Negotiations | I Was There
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- The Waco siege of 1993 started on February 28th when the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) began the stand-off with the religious sect, the Branch Davidians. The group was led by David Koresh, whose birth name is Vernon Howell. The Branch Davidians, consisting of 91 members, including 25 children, resided in a compound east of Waco, called the Mount Carmel Center.
Under the suspicion of stockpiling weapons, the ATF attempted to serve search and arrest warrants. Having been warned of the raid, the Branch Davidians were prepared. This initial gunfire battle resulted in deaths on both sides (4 ATF agents and 6 Branch Davidian members) prompting the FBI to become involved. For the following 51 days, the Branch Davidians and law enforcement were at a long and gruesome stand-off, tragically resulting in a fire that took the lives of 76 members.
In this episode of "I Was There", VICE meets with Byron Sage, a retired FBI agent, who was one of the lead negotiators during the Waco siege of 1993.
00:00 Intro
01:36 The Waco Siege
04:16 Negotiations
07:01 It was Unprecedented
10:18 Push Came to Shove
13:58 The Toughest Call I Ever Made in 50 Years
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when are tanks coming to california
I was a kid when this happened and it was all over the news, I asked my dad what happened and he said "they didn't pay their taxes" , scared me for life.
Not gonna lie I would be scared too 🤭
uncle sam doesn't play when it comes to his yearly check
He probably didn’t want to tell you what happened it would’ve scared you the. Probably
@@kodiak3995 he could have just told him they were stockpiling illegal weapons cause that’s what the ATF suspected they were doing
@@markman6105 If they wanted to arrest them for that or any other reason, they could have arrested the leader whenever they wanted; he routinely went out for jogs or to town for supplies. But nope, they wanted to do a siege and make a statement to play commando. And stockpiling weapons isn't a reason to kill two dozen children. Sounds like the other side deserved to be disarmed.
"No shots were fired by government agents."
Repeatedly shows agents firing on the compound.
fbi agents or atf agents? He specifically referred to the bureau
@@HxCWW He said "by the bureau or by any other law enforcement or ninja outfit"
@J. FK yeah screw this guy
Yeah, but the cult fired first. If the cult leader was a little bit more adherence to some kind of civility it wouldn’t be the way it end out. Plus, they were trying to rescue the kids. Like many cults, or strong religious law, unfortunately the young kids were being sexually abused or manipulative just like the adults who blindly follows.
@@CristoSaves so burn them alive right?
An FBI agent calling someone a liar is fucking hilarious.
Cause se**ually ab*sing children definitely makes you a teller of truth.
this guy is full of BS... rewriting history
You forgot to mention that the ATF could have arrested Koresch in town on numerous occasions after they found out they were stocking up weapons which shouldn’t be illegal for law abiding citizens anyways
why is it illegal to stock pile weapons?
@@JasonRector-nd4lihe said it shouldn't be
@@JasonRector-nd4li Because government cucks are scared of civilians being armed because they know what they are doing is wrong and that armed people can stop it if they want.
You can’t have fully automatic weapons nor grenades numbnuts
It wasn't illegal to stockpile the weapons. It was the type of weaponry they were stock piling that was illegal. But I do agree, they had multiple opportunities to arrest Koresch in town, but I can only assume they were waiting to collect more evidence to convict him since they didn't have anything solid to convict him of child abuse or sexual misconduct.
Fun fact: Rainbow 6 replicated this siege with the Map Oregon.
I was just thinking that after seeing that house
:O damn you’re right
they say it’s not based on anything but it’s totally obvious. that’s my favorite map too
ah, its just like the simulations!
Which game? First one?
You forgot the part where they used psychological warfare and played sounds of rabbits being slaughtered
As someone who lives in a very rural area with a lot of coyotes and rabbits. The sound of a rabbit dying is one of the most disturbing noises you can hear.
@@NiteCreature666 care to explain a bit more about that day? or your background
@@NiteCreature666 thank you for commenting and giving some input.
@@NiteCreature666 And now you just upload diablo gameplay? How old are you?
@@NiteCreature666 what’s your friends name who made it out?
the ATF was the LAST law enforcement group that could be considered to pull this off. you have to be kidding. they also could have arrested koresh the month before this in town because he was walking around in town unarmed doing his shopping. what a joke.
Yeah it was never about serving a warrant it was about trying to improve their image after Ruby ridge where they killed half a mans family over a short barrel shotgun. The ATF don't know how to stay in their lane and do their jobs there a vid of one ATF agent getting arrested by a street cop because of how suspicious he's acting and won't comply with the cops investigation. It came down to the cop actually tasing the ATF agent to get him to comply. The ATF is an embarrassment.
ATF's codename for the initial raid was "Operation Showtime" because they thought by doing some heavy-duty dick-swinging they could fight back the growing sentiment on Capitol Hill in the wake of Ruby Ridge that they were out of control. Koresh had a cordial relationship with the local ATF agents - who knew that the BDs had an FFL firearms license - and in fact he went shooting with some of his ATF buddies shortly before the raid. ATF agent Robert Rodriguez, who'd been sent undercover to infiltrate the compound, tried to warn his superiors that Koresh had been tipped off about the raid. The Rules Of Engagement specified that the element of surprise was REQUIRED in order to execute the raid, but ATF higher-ups disregarded the RoE. Rodriguez advised that Koresh went jogging outside the compound every morning and that he could've easily been detained without any interaction with the rest of the BDs.
What’s funny is that no one wants to show the live television footage that people remember witnessing of these tanks shootings flames at the compound.
How about providing some actual evidence instead of dumb anecdotal nonsense? How are so many of you completely brainwashed and on the side of a pedophile cult leader 🤦♂🤦♂
Yes!!❤
No one wants to show the footage of the tanks ramming the compound which killed people because they were hiding at that place.
But honestly, there is no heros in this raid, it was a tragic disaster, the victims were the children and the women who were repeatedly r@ped by their cult members, only to meet a fiery death at hands of a militarised raid.
There is another video explaining and showing a tank shooting fire as it exists the compound. For those who think want to know.
@@Zg_baNdz
There is no such video, all the highest quality videos are released, there high quality press pictures of the tanks from the front, they have bulldozer blades on but there absolutely nothing that hints on there being a flamethrower, unless you can prove otherwise because this myth was literally debunked by third party who actually believed in the claim at first, but went on to disprove it.
The flames you see in the picture is when the cult lit the petrol they had spread around the compound to destroy the tanks.
The audio tapes recorded inside the compounds are also released, you can literally hear them talk about pouring gasoline. The fire also started predominantly in the second floor, which makes no sense if the tanks were to fire in the first floor why did the flames go to second floor? Thats now how fire works.
"Not a single shot was fired from the bureau or any other goverment agency" yet shows a line of 10 guys shooting at the house
Vice has become garbage but this story is bad even for them. It's like their scripts are being written directly by the FEDS now.
@@acetate909 I'm shocked at what kind of stuff they put out these days, they forgot to put ''Feds did nothing wrong'' in the description.
That tank they show has flame thrower on it. The clip before that edit shows the tank blasting flames in structure. Starting fire. Vice edited it out.
@@marcvince1261 Flame thrower? No, mate. I've seen the footage you're referring to, and that wasn't a flamethrower.
@@robashton8606 wako tank flame thrower showes the footage. Its grainy im trying to find the clear footage. PBS did a doc that sows it clearly. I'm no fan of David curesh. According to locals he went to town every Sunday unarmed for coffee. It was a show
The irony of an FBI negotiator calling somebody else manipulative... 😅😂
nah it just shows how big of a lier someone is
You’re confusing negotiator with interrogator dipshit
@@gerardoceballosnevarez3088 😹😹😹
👍👍👍👍
Are you suggesting they shouldn't have tried to negotiate a release of kids from a psychotic gun fetishist? 🙄 lawd
I remember watching this on TV as it was happening. I feel so sorry for the innocent people especially the children.
They were all innocent. The ATF snuck onto their property in an illegal act and start killing people without announcing their presence.
Feds did it
Honestly, yes, we ALL feel sorry for the innocent lives lost. Why do so many people have to point out how sorry they are for something so obvious, and then add NOTHING interesting or valuable to the conversation afterwards?
koresh did it, wake up.@@greenghost5009
@@lotanowodid someone piss in your cereal?😭😭 so angry for what
I worked with neighbors of the Branch Davidians. When this happened, I asked them what the "CULT" people where like. They said they never cause any trouble and keep to themselves. And this should have never happened, if they wanted Koresh. They could have arrested him on a Friday night in town. He always went to the open jam to play guitar. Janet Reno just wanted to make a name for herself. And unfortunately the children's blood is on her name.
The cult was also amassing large amounts of illegally modified machine guns, illegally handmade grenades, and there were accusations of child molestation. they were also illegally in possession of .50 caliber Barret rifles. ATF had to go to the compound and perform a raid for the firearms and for the safety of the children. Koresh was having sex with fourteen-year-old girls. He had convinced his followers that he was the second coming of Christ, and that they needed to arm themselves to the teeth because the government was coming for them and it was going to end bloody and firey. People inside the compound started the fires, there are recordings of people inside saying things about pouring fuel and the tear gas was non-incendiary. I'm not saying that they did everything perfectly because they definitely did not. But public safety was in danger and Koresh was a manipulative piece of garbage.
AG Reno assumed her position AFTER the initial raid. It was ATF leadership, who were concerned about losing funding or even their existence in the wake of the Ruby Ridge standoff, that sought out a target to reclaim credibility and basically survive as an agency. The codename for the raid was "Operation Showtime". The Rules Of Engagement specified that ATF needed the element of surprise in order to overwhelm the BDs and take Koresh into custody without incident. But their undercover man Robert Rodriguez was at the compound when Koresh was tipped by a mailman member of the sect who'd given directions to a TV cameraman who'd gotten lost looking for Mt. Carmel. Rodriguez desperately tried to warn ATF higher-ups that the element of surprise was lost and that attempting to execute the raid could lead to a bloodbath (which it did with ultimately 4 agents and 6 BDs dead).
Reno approved the Day 51 assault but she was lied to about "child abuse" and an initial plan to release CS Gas (banned by Geneva Convention) slowly to convince the BDs to come out. No evidence of child abuse that would stand up in court was ever discovered (that doesn't mean it didn't happen) and the alpha-males of the FBI Hostage Rescue Team decided to dump the CS gas into the compound as quickly as possible. Numerous engagements prior to Waco followed a pattern: standoff - CS gas - fire - death, but FBI had NO contingency plans for the possibility that Mt. Carmel - a ramshackle building basically built out of plywood - could catch on fire.
I'm no fan of Reno by a longshot but her only sin here was to gladly devour the bullsh!t she was fed by the HRT.
One wonders if the "Day 51" that stands alongside December 7th and September 11th as an American tragedy would have transpired had not the AG nomination by President Clinton of Zoë Baird not been sabotaged by the sitting Senate Judiciary Chairman, a gentleman named Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
Gov never cares. They’ve never learn. I don’t know how these ppl sleep at night.
The ATF needed a reason to justify their existence. Congress was about to shut them down after Ruby Ridge. A local mail man filed a report that he found a grenade in a shipment going to the Branch Davidians. Instead of going through the legal system the government treated American citizens as terrorists.
It was about Fund Raising for the ATF. Their funding was up for debate in Congress and it wasn't looking good for them. They needed a big, public score to assure their funding. Thats why the newspapers already had the story AS it was happening, and ATF showed up with cameras.
I think a lot of people are missing the point of this video. It's not supposed to be an unbiased documentary on Waco. It's one persons first hand experience of an extremely volatile situation. And with every first-hand account, there is information that is missing (whether by intent or not).
It would also be great if Vice was able to get an interview with one of the last Davidians in the compound. It would give insight into their thinking and interpretation of the events as well.
There were a large number of.husbands and fathers
Definitely the Jesuit inquisition
I'm an avid law enforcement advocate but the details and stories from this particular situation coming from that side STINK FROM START TO FINISH!!! U can try and sell it anyway u want but it was murder by the hands of the government PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!
@@coreykessinger6182 Just a suggestion, if you really want to understand how bad this thing is, see if you can find a copy of the transcript of the Congressional hearings on this. If there was any justice in this country, every government agent involved in this should not only have lost their job, but also had to spend life in prison with out parole.
You really don't want that. Saw an interview of one of the few Davidians allowed to survive. His story of the screams of agony of kids trapped in a bunker they had in the house as they were literally cooked to death. Bothers me decades after I saw the interview
My dad knew David Koresh, he sold him car parts pretty regularly and helped him work on his trucks. He said going to the compound always gave him the creeps, but he was always paid very well. My dad thought he was a super nice guy, but that he might of gone power hungry with his church.
Seems like your dad had pretty good instinct.
So what is that a good reason to kill them
He was a psychopath.
A child molesting psychopath
MIGHT HAVE gone power hungry...?
A major part left out of this was the fact that they had a FFL (the federal license required to manufacture all those weapons).
And yellow sheets for all of them
There were about 8 major things they left out. That’s vice for ya, biased ‘journalism’
Link?
And now an ATF agent that was there who took pictures infront of the ashes is the head of the ATF.
Terrible. Just terrible.
Not just yet. He has to be voted on by the senate. We can stop the nomination.
@@seibertsmiths We need to get that murderer out.
Yes and can't give the definition of an "assault weapon"
You know what's typical of the biden administration
Did anyone catch what he said when senator Cruz questioned him? It seems every time he has a Dr Pepper he remembers his time in central Texas. With a smile on his face.
Once again, we asked law enforcement if law enforcement did something wrong and law enforcement concluded law enforcement is innocent
ATF is different from your police, no?
Funny how that works, ain't it?
Yeah anyone who believes this guy is stupid comply or die
Yep just look at our government today. Nothing has changed except people know.
@@holdencross5904 yes and no. ATF is still law enforcement which the comment is remarking about. So the point still stands. They’re basically militarized police to deal with “domestic terrorists” but after seeing Waco on the news every year or on documentaries at least it never ceases to boggle my mind how the ATF hasn’t been abolished because they are also the team the shot Randy Weaver’s son and wife killing then, and also shot randy and is his friend who were both later acquitted and sued the Govt and won.
FBI agent: “yeah I was there since the raid so I know the whole story”
Same FBI agent: “so I get a call telling me there’s been a raid and I need to go there”
And the FBI wonders why we can’t trust a single one of them.
The fact that this standoff latest this long is astonishing.
Wasn’t there like a black separatist group in Pennsylvania whose house got bombed by the FBI? Sure as hell didn’t take 50 days to bomb THEM
I'm sure one of the main FBI agents at the scene is bound to give us an unbiased recollection of the events.
Your watching this on vice since when has unbiased views been a problem for you?
@@loganberry7754 what are you on about? who said I supported the rest of Vice's videos?
@@winnengel6774 he's on about projecting on to others.
@@bostondangler134 still dangling i see. Will the bean ever be free of your vicious dangling attacks?
The should’ve interviewed the Davidians.
"there was not one shot fired by any law enforcement"
so, that clip from this very video of the ATF mag dumping their pistols & rifles did not actually happen?
they say that because they can't give less fucks what you think or know.
He meant initially, I believe. I think he was trying to say ATF did not fire the first shots. He seems like a reasonable guy and I'm quite sure he knows the ATF fired their weapons. But then again who knows.
I believe he was saying the FBI fired no shots. The raid was conducted by the ATF. Kind of double speak but that's what he meant.
@@kali6651 the atf not firing first is irrelevant
@@jeremy0440 Did I ever say it was? I was simply trying to recount what the man meant.
After knowing the full story and all of the evidence it makes me lose faith in any government agencies and any law enforcement
All this could’ve been prevented. The ATF could’ve arrested David Karesh that morning while on a jog, but “operation showtime” had to happen.
Indeed. In addition, all actions taken by police that shown in this video is an unprofessional non-sense.
"He was a liar"
That guy knows how to play the game
Mate he said he was the chosen one offcourse he is liar. To even think that this statement is wrong is just stupid.
Good thing the FBI never lies
@Street Sweeper they both believed they were the second coming. Koresh and Jones both.
Listen to the survivors interview. What atf did was messed up.. the dude they wanted to arrest would go on jogs every day and there wad 2 dudes that infatuated the group and knew nothing crazy was happening and they knew the dude would go on jogs everyday and they asked their peoples why not grab him when he jogs so none one gets hurt.. they didn't do that. Smh
@@openmindz7689 To be fair, if you cut the head off a snake they still might bite you, especially if you deal with hydra like cultists
“Hi im from the FBI” “im here to tell you the FBI ATF did nothing wrong”
It's complete bullshit I don't even know how vice allowed this interview to happen without getting the facts straight. This whole interview is straight up government 🥾 licking aka not taking any kind of responsibility for what they had started
@@Catscan894 well it's been quite a few years since this happened so there's quite a lot of documentation and files that have been released but recently there is a podcast called The last podcast on the Left episode 133 waco it's a very good in-depth discussion on exactly why the ATF was involved it's a very educational listen
Yeah and it is even better when Rodrigues gets millions of dollars for a settlement that actually proves our own case for negligence and fault: they admitted they lied and we still lost our case and my siblingsx
@@nickreilly7430 yeah they are about 80 percent correct on there podcast. My girlfriend made them all shocked when she saw them at comic con and told them she dates koreshs son.
It was the ATF I. The wrong not the fbi
This and Ruby Ridge always reminds me of what our government is capable of. Powerful lesson.
And Timothy McVeigh reminds of when people learn the wrong lessons from events such as this and Ruby Ridge.
@@staidenofanarchy McVeigh was a murdering piece of trash. But so was the federal government for shooting an unarmed woman holding a baby and so was those Davidians. Although crazy and a few sandwiches short of a Picnic doesn’t mean they deserved to be burned to a crisp over it. Again the ATF turned it into a bloodbath. So yes I drew the right conclusions from both those events and the ATF was mostly to blame especially Ruby Ridge. More so when they lied and claimed Randy was a white supremacist to make the public more accepting of the government’s heavy handedness, even though he straight up rebuked them when they wanted him to join. Some people just want to be left alone.
Capable of lies deception murder
He was RIGHT so you better keep you're mouth shut
@@staidenofanarchy he should've added more shrapnel.
They could have picked this guy up countless times without any shots or deaths but the ATF and FBI wanted to flex their muscles and show who was in charge. This guy is FOS.
When's he gonna mention the photos the FBI snipers of themselves as "trophies" took over the ashes of the building and burnt body's...
One of the guys who took one of those trophy pics is now the director of the ATF - David Chipman.
Yeah or the fact there’s more substantial evidence showing that the tear gas caused the fire, something the feds had well documented.
I would. definitely nice to have a little piece of the cult leaders skull to remember
@@filthycasual8074 what about the 21 children that were murdered
@@frankierzucekjr 21 children that were not allowed to go to safety by their parents. if their parents cared about them it the slightest, they wouldn't have burned. who's to blame here? the people who shot and killed police?
Now tell us how good of a job they did at ruby ridge too
Right wing terrorist died. They did great
@@anatomicallycorrectmuppets8180 Glad to see you're open minded
A sick cult got cooked who cares get over it
@@morriswatkins5667 good to see people with no knowledge of the facts putting their 2 cents in. For such a liberal agenda in this country it sure is pathetic how folks view opinions that differ from their own.
@@burnmhc nobody cares about your looney conspiracies. Kkk scumbag and a twisted cult both got delt with. If your blow hard right wing azz hates our government for doing its job and putting down sickos then move out!
I used to work with a guy who was in the compound during the siege. His name is David Thibodeau.
The ATF didn't know they had a secret tunnel out. He was in his 20's and was one of the 2 guys that would use the tunnel to go resupply throughout the siege. So, the siege wouldn't work because they were able to get supplies anyway. The tunnel came out in a neighboring sympathetic farmer's land and they had a car parked over there. So, he would run and get groceries and diapers and formula and such.
That's the only reason he wasn't killed. He was out getting groceries that morning.
Here's my thought: they all probably could have escaped, except that the ATF fulfilled their prophecy. They prophesied that the devil and his demons would come for them and surround their compound, which they called Mt. Carmel. That's why they had all the guns in the first place. So, they had been preparing for exactly what came to pass.
The devil murdered every one who was still in there.
Sounds like some "my cousin's friend's sister said" BS mixed with evangelist lunacy.
@@ZANcomix Pretty much
There was no tunnel. You're a liar.
@@PlanetRockJesus That's my memory of David T's first hand account to me in 1999. We worked together at a place called Sunset Direct and hung out a bit. Thanks for piping in by adding zero value to this or any other conversation.
@@PlanetRockJesus Also, the compound predates David Koresh. My family is from Hewitt Texas. I remember driving around the area as a kid in ~ 1980 and my parents talking about a doomsday cult that lived there who believe that the second coming of Jesus would occur on that spot. I figure David Koresh took advantage of that situation and claimed he was the reincarnation they'd been waiting for.
Did he not mention the fact the ATF flooded the building with a flammable gas. Just a little detail he left out...
It said in the video that the members of the cult poured the gasoline in and around the building themselves to try to prevent the tanks from coming. I don’t know too much about this topic yet but it seems like the ATF didn’t start that fire at all, the members were just going down with their compound🤷🏽♂️
They never had to raid the Compound to get David. David went on a walk at the same time every morning, on the exact same route. They could have arrested him at any time
Why does that not surprise me.
Yup. Remember that at the time there was talk in Congress about disbanding the ATF, merging it with FBI. In middle of all of that, ATF decides to do this high profile raid to justify their existence.
They could have arrested Koresh quietly outside of the compound instead of raiding it. But the ATF wanted to create a show.
@@M1911jln I didn't know that. Then the FBI still got involved after it started, though.
They still would have had to raid the compound tho
@@TheCTBrotherhood Eventually but, they could of handled it better they would have still had to raid but, maybe arrest David then try to raid
"Spread the Fuel" never came out in the congressional hearings
Some of this doesn’t add up. Why would they have been instructing their members to put on gas masks if they planned to die in a fire they set themselves? Also, there is enormous evidence that tear gas used in building raids, especially with the immense concentration used in this case, are EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE, and the notion that that is not at all related to the fire is highly unlikely.
Same with Chris Dorner... I guess an actual attempt to arrest David would ended up even more tragically...🤔
I'd love to see Vice do a story on Ruby Ridge and say that the FBI were innocent
@@Jack-ok7vq they were. don't make a fool out of uncle sam if you don't want to burn. he could've gone peacefully and been back in 20 years but he got an early ticket to hell
@@filthycasual8074 they also killed his dog and a sniper from the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team shot and killed his wife.
You know that the building was in flames for some time they had ample of time to leave. But they didnt. They chose to follow a guy that called himself 'the chosen one'
I was 21 at the time and was glued to the TV and all news about this every day of that standoff.
Chris Whitcomb, former FBI HRT sniper, describes his experiences at Waco and the aftermath in several chapters of his book "Cold Zero."
untrained civilians....women and children....no thanks.
F that guy. I wouldn’t buy his book or read it!!! Women and children were killed by the pos fbi
Does he mention how their station log book had ripped out pages before it got turned over as evidence and no one knew how that happened???
@@saltyreviews1848absolutely right.
This pap thinks that he is fooling us.
So many bullshit,so many lies.
And that evil garbage...: Hillary killary..
"Yeah, I care about kids"
*Casually throws tear gas at them*
>we know kids cant wear gas masks
pumps compound full of gas for a hole day
why they didn't release the kids and women they where using then as shield they *itches
@@jamaica8769 Not that much of a shield if you massacre them all. also they knew kids can't wear gas masks and they pumped gallons of gas in there.
Do you have a suggestion on what to do instead?
Bc if I got it right they used the tear Gas on Day 50 or 51.
@@SalilingAway Ya don't use phycological warfare tanks and war criminals to break them. The lack of FBI, ATF, and political competence made the situation unworkable.
Also don't gas children with possibly lethal amounts.
"On 28 September 2000, Prof. Dr. Uwe Heinrich released a study commissioned by John C. Danforth, of the United States Office of Special Counsel, to investigate the use of CS by the FBI at the Branch Davidians' Mount Carmel compound. He said no human deaths had been reported, but concluded that the lethality of CS used would have been determined mainly by two factors: whether gas masks were used and whether the occupants were trapped in a room. He suggests that if no gas masks were used and the occupants were trapped, then, "there is a distinct possibility that this kind of CS exposure can significantly contribute to or even cause lethal effects".
As a teen when this happened, I remember reading our local paper the Sunday of the raid and being amazed that there was an article about the Dividians while the events unfolded on tv too! After lunch the day of the fire I was on my way to the school library where I had a class and met one of the librarians who was crying and went in and watched the events unfold. From day one to days end, I was glued like many. Later I would met some children who were released and just interacting with them you could still see trauma in their faces and behaviors! So many were impacted and I will forever pray for those who still struggle!
Are you saying the trauma from the Dividians or from the FBI ripping them from their parents?
Oh man what a great teacher! I was in 6th grade on 9/11 and walked into the art class and she had the TV on and we were just watching and I saw the second plane hit live and me and my 6th grade friends were like yo where's the f****** Air Force?
They probably were molested.
@@caseyrayharris.esquire489 *where the f*** is airforce..." seems like you didn't study hard in your 6th grade.
@@caseyrayharris.esquire489the AF? Try, AmalgamVirgo dry-run before that day. It all smells from the first “never could have imagined”… a phrase you’ll never trust again.
“In life, there are two sides to every story. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. It’s your job to find that truth”
The Coward turned off the mic to avoid hearing the children scream being burned alive.
Yeah imma take this with a massive grain of salt.
Why? Can you elaborate?
@@NosillaWilla april fools
The footage is right there dumbasses , lol nobody is messing with you
More like a fuckin mountain...
@@sittinonthegodamcornerdoindope Missing the footage of the ATF opening up on the people inside and starting this who stuff. Also missed the APCs rolling in like this was handled by the FSB. Cu lt is bad but ATF is far worse.
All of this could have been avoided if the ATF had just arrested Koresh on one of his daily jogs outside the property or his weekly trips to Walmart. The ATF wanted to make a statement and get more funding. The ATF actually had three video cameras filming the entire raid start to finish but lo and behold lost all three video tapes and the two front 8’ doors which would have proved the bullet holes were fired into the home by ATF not outside the home.
can you cite your source ? bc everyone in the comments keep repeating the same thing Id like to know where this information came from
Did you know that David actually invited the ATF to search his property? He was a bad man but he offered to go peacefully.
@@PickledKong64 he made a lot of offers..
surrender, salvation... He was a liar and his offers went unsubstantiated whenever he was given an opportunity to fulfill them.
@@remedial-ontology lol you did not watch or even research this at all. Keep bootlicking the government who will turn on you and hates you. unless you are an FBI glowie shill.
@@PickledKong64 I admit, I'm no expert on this situation or police negotiation procedures.. even the negotiator mentioned that there was no real precedent wherein he was trained. It also seems plausible that the heavy-handed initial encounter was a dangerous miscalculation, and a low profile arrest may have been possible. I understand there was a legal warrant for his arrest based upon real concern for the warfare of those within the community. I think how group was willing and prepared to respond with such force is a testament of the degree to which their leader had dissociated them from their surroundings, which justifies their classification as a dangerous cult. He used his own children to shield himself and, for me, the tragedy of that incident lies with the zealot and his acolytes. If I'm naive, try to help me understand what I'm missing here.
Should you drive a army tank into a building with lots of kids inside? No one ever answers that question.
The scariest part is that he is pushing so hard to make sure that the public blindly trusts the government. Very scary coming from someone like that
I remember being a child watching this having no idea what was actually going on.
Yes same here
Also same
And little has changed in28 years.
I cant believe this led all the way to OKC bombing, which I still think was a huge explosion
Same. I’m 38 now.
“Those 21 kids we saved have been brainwashed by propaganda”. Fam, those kids lost parents, siblings, relatives....how are the supposed to feel? Are they supposed to say “thank you for tear gassing my family, which led to their building catching fire!!” I feel for this man....but sir, you lost the LEAST in this situation and those survivors have every right to question your agency’s tacts. People want you to think that “being a good person” should cover up bad decisions.
If my family would be that dumb to be in some fucking cult I would rather be orphan.
@@bdups1683 so cult bad... but burning alive dozens of men women and children is OK? Check your meds, you are tripping.
They blasted music at the house. One song going, "I've got a brand new box of matches and you're going to burn." Then they claim the fire was an accident. I don't buy it.
Of course the children will be on Davids side. Its easy to manipulate children especially if youre a cult leader. A lot of people wont admit that theres plenty of folks who shouldnt be near children.
@@CriticalSurvival0 shouldn't be near children... right, especially those who are willing to burn said children to death because they are passed at the parents. Religious indoctrination is bad. Mass murder is much worse.
Both sides did things wrong as in everything. Every war both sides do things wrong. Every football game there are dirty plays from each side. Live with it.
I’m a dumb guy, and I totally feel for this guy because I’ve seen him in earlier documentaries crying. But also couldn’t they have backed off and arrested him later? If they like REALLY wanted those kids not to die
you make a good point but this guy had 51 days and still didn't let kids come out so i'm not sure how you can see him as a good guy
@@knottsscary David Koresh was shot in the stomach on the first day of the siege, his baby son was killed. There's a video of the BD's done by themselves on March 8th, dated which they sent to the FBI showing them talking rationally saying any one of them may leave whenever, Koresh meanwhile is flummoxed on the floor trying to stay positive but he (inadvertently) shows his stomach wounds, he's weak, in tremendous pain, pale & looks as though he's dying. There's also an extant tape of Steve Schneider talking to the FBI who tell him flat hallway through the siege, that anyone who leaves Mount Carmel from then on will be shot. You go to Hell.....
@@Alkymick1 They let 29 children leave the complex. If others wanted to leave as well why didn't they go with the children?
@@knottsscaryyou're completely uninformed
@@reggaemarley4617they didn't want to leave. They were being forced out of their homes so one man could be arrested on bullshit charges. They weren't able to leave later on because the impression left by the FBI was that anyone caught outside would be shot dead by the federal snipers outside.
Waco was proof that the ATF and FBI will gladly play the part of death squad.
Let’s hear the tapes
Im sure you could do a foia request pay 500 dollars and get them in a few years
Land of the elite home of the brave if your not rich your not free lmao
Huh
@@lilfeen4214 take it word by word
I guarantee the tapes were recorded over.
Love how he says the holes made by the tanks were for a "means to exit". No. The holes were to administer the tear gas.
and the tear gas is used to forced people out. idiot
Yeah, if a tank blew an 8 foot hole through my house my first thought would be "oh, yeah, that's a safe place to leave."
@@johnstewart3776 He made it sound like they were used as rams, i don't think they literally shot holes into the building
Also to add to your points, tear gas cannisters are combustible and should never have been forced into that building . I don't believe for one second that the people inside spread any acceleration fluid anywhere . If they wanted to kill themselves they would have selected a different way other than burning themselves to death .
This video is another example of how law enforcement will always protect its own .
@@SAJuk-lb4dh The NY Times did ask the FBI about that the day after. Their statement said that the tear gas was pumped into the holes and tear gas grenades were not used. But even then, the CS gas in tear gas can be flammable when it has the right balance with oxygen. If it caught fire, it would have easily caught fire to the hay bails and spread. Also, if you are going to sacrifice yourself and burn down your own building with yourself inside then why start the fire right in front of the tank that is pumping tear gas right into your face?
As a former 11M Bradley Driver/Gunner. The Bradley is mad up of a magnesium composite. That's why it was sparking when it was hit.
For this man to claim “not one shot was fired” by law enforcement is a blatant lie. They were firing on that compound relentlessly. It’s all on infra red video from a surveillance plane. It clearly shows the gun shot flashes from near the tanks and it showed how they were still shooting even after the building was engulfed in flames. They murdered those people to make a statement. They had many opportunities to arrest Koresh because he went outside the compound jogging almost every morning.
He most likely meant that the conspiracy theory of agents being inside the compound as false actors and shooting at the real agents
The infared on the tanks was was the davidians shooting the Tanks, and the reason there was "shooting" after the fire was ammunition cook off. It's already been debunked.
That is not accurate. Experts on top of experts have went through the footage many times and all come to the same conclusion. Its just not possible to truly see who shot first. One piece of footage shows the ATF taking what appears to be the first shots. They say they were shooting at people pointing assault rifles at them. Other pieces of footage show the Branch Davidians blatantly firing the first shots. Stop defending a cult that allowed a sick vile man sleep with their wives and preteen daughters. They all chose to be there.
@@BamaChad-W4CHD I’m not defending either side. I’m about the truth. Both sides did not handle this situation correctly. David should’ve kept his word and surrendered after they played his speech like he said he would and nobody would’ve died and the government should’ve arrested David long before the standoff ever developed considering he walked outside the compound every day. They had multiple opportunities to get him on illegal weapons charges but for the government to say they didn’t fire a single shot, that is BS
@@devinw5150 I think it's more than a possibility that he simply misspoke. He just had to tell a story about the event that haunts him, he teared up when he talked about those kids.
What he probably meant by "the law enforcement didn't fire", was that the law enforcement didn't fire first. Or unprovoked. Or at all while the fire was raging, when they were not fired upon- that one in direct response to some claims that the agents just murdered the people in the fire.
They were returning fire, they were the ones who tried to save those kids. They upheld negotiations for 50 days despite law enforcement casualties which usually act as a death warrant for the perpetrators.
Don’t forget they posed with the charred bodies. One of those who did pose with the bodies is being nominated to head the ATF. Remember to keep your rifle by your side
everyone involved got promoted..........can anyone remind me what chuck schummer had to do with this please
Jesus christ man quit fucking larping. Youd die of a heart attack from all those hamburgers as soon as they kicked down the door. Plus, drones don't care about your AR15s
@@lc9072 i guess you wanna live forever......aint you a boring waste of a body
Yeah because keeping a rifle by your side will definitely stop the government if they really want you dead. Keep the fear mongering going.
I’ve seen tons of footage of people posing by photos of beheaded people. Posing by dead bodies is nothing new.
Old man has told this story many times haha changes every time too🤣
Excellent interview
“We began to poke hole in a means to give them a way out” proceeds to poke hole in edge of roof and second floor.
These guys showed up guns blazing and demanded that the branch davidians leave their home.
At the end, they started demolishing the place with everyone still inside and started gassing them, and were somehow confused about why people wouldn't leave.
But people did leave havent you seen the video. There is blame on both sides.
@@nielsgroothedde8038 I didn't say "nobody would leave" some did, but there were people who wouldn't leave. Which I think is an understandable stance to take. This could've all been avoided if they'd just arrested David the normal way.
@@CryptP yeah true but still it was their choice to stay in the house when it was on fire. They made no attempt to leave at any moment.
@@nielsgroothedde8038 It took less than an hour between the fire starting and the compound being leveled. When the fire services arrive, they aren't allowed entry, so nobody in the compound can receive any assistance. They have to get themselves out. You're physically and mentally exhausted, malnourished, parts of your building have been collapsed by tanks, you've spent the past *6 hours* being tear gassed and now your building is on fire. Many have family and children in the building, so they may not immediately be rational enough to prioritise getting themselves out first and leaving everyone else behind. Smoke inhalation disorients you, and can knock you out and kill you within minutes. The people who escaped that building were lucky to have done so. Many didn't have the chance.
@@CryptP fair point
There are at least two sides to every story. An FBI agent is going to have a different version than 24 children who died in flames and never got a chance to tell you their side of the story. After administering chemical agents into the compound, a tank breached the walls of the compound and ignited the flammable gas according to visual evidence still available. Combining the fire with the gases causes such a tortuous effect, and it was revealed that many of those children’s deaths were inflicted by point blank gunshot wounds, also referred to as “mercy killings.” Their guardians inside shot them in the heads out of mercy.
The alleged modified weapons that were the target of the raid were never found. God damn the ATF.
This old man realized his career was a failure
We had an incident awhile back in the fingerlakes region of N.Y. where the local cops had a standoff with a guy who had a warrant for a TRAFFIC VIOLATION- the poor guy didn't even resist, he was scared to death. The cops had one of those homeland security- funded SWAT tanks, they drove it THROUGH the guy's house, he committed suicide. Supposedly shot himself with his handgun. His wife was in the house when this happened.
I’m from Ithaca and I drew this parallel also! Over use of militant force on US citizens is far to common no matter the scale. The incident that you speak of was completely avoidable.
Australian law enforcement are now carrying machine guns whilst patrolling a quiet shopping mall in a city that's pretty safe ! .
Those aren't tanks lol. Did it fire huge explosive shells?
@@h3ctor272 Man driven to suicide through the disproportionate use of force from law enforcement driving an armored vehicle through civilian property. But yeah, fixate on the small detail of it not being a tank.
US Dept of Prosecution doesn’t give no shits.
Nothing is more dangerous than a violation of mallum prohibitia
now, why is there footage all over the internet showing the tank blowing fire into the building.
This guy is b.s. Whatever makes him feel better, I guess.
"I was there! I work for the Government and I would never lie!" ("admit to lying, anyway")
“I’m not in the business of failure.”
-Everyone who’s in denial about their failure
Before that he literally said the he failed
I mean - I think he obviously meant that as the reasoning why the said failure was hitting him hard.
“Not sure if they were forced to stay inside” 1 min later “they chose to die in that house” lmao
Crazy how there’s multiple comments pointing out different contradictions like this
When you are planning suicide you make sure the fbi uses tanks to make a fire break from the helicopter easily seen... you have to destroy evidence and plant other evidence; and then you get zero restitution or retribution and they actually are so full of resentment in spite of never serving their warrant and the clear initial shots being meant to assassinate my father when he came out unarmed to plead with them to ease back their aggression, but again as he said, when you come with guns pointed at my family.... bullets passed through from above... I’m sorry but it is true. Their testimony is meaningless
No, he said the adults either elected to stay or were forced.
@@glossygloss472 that’s the point. Then after he says that, he says it was their choice 😂
@@glossygloss472 he has lied endlessly
"Ninja outfits" lmao😂
How come we never see the video of the ATF or fbi guy walking across the roof and the fire starts. Where he came from, calmly climbs down and walks away slow.
Koresh went out to town regularly and could have been arrested without involving any of the people who followed him. This entire event was created by the overly aggressive actions of the ATF and FBI and the flammable gas cartridges that were used in the end were the final nail in the coffins. I don’t know how the agents, and this guy, live with their actions.
Bullshit
@@bthanb1223 care to elaborate?
@@bthanb1223 it's "bullshit" if you believe and trust the government. Which, trusting the government is just stupid.
They were there with a arrest and search warrant, makes sense to knock at the door
@@PSVBerlin did you see them knock at the door? No, they showed up in full armor and loaded for combat, trying to break into the building without any attempt to peacefully arrest Koresh.
Perfect to release this on April Fool's Day.
Bruh
@@mohmadhafiz1675 woah...
Yeah the ATF is the biggest joke america has ever produced
@@thejudge8691 well said
xD ahhaha BRUV!
“Tactical Resolution” is one way to put it.
Thank God our beloved government protected us from these monsters in Waco!
"We suspected that these guys were manipulative so we burned children alive"
What the Feds did was repulsive but… suspected these guys were manipulative? There is so so much interlinking corroborative evidence showing the adults molested and to a degree enslaved these children….. these men were not “suspected manipulators,” they were fucking pedophiles and manipulators. End of story.
@@cucamonga95 really showed those pedophiles by suffocating and burning their victims alive and posing with their dead bodies lmao
@@cucamonga95 Ok, yeah. Sure.
It’s funny how he said Steve Schinder said “pour the fuel” but we can’t listen to the recording of him saying that🤔
In the Netflix documentary it can be heard
Hi what are you using for your diagnostic scanner there? Great video
I was little and I did not know what was happening but now I understand and a lot of people lost there lives it was just terrible
Taking this interview with a BIG grain of salt.
Why?
Because this is only one perspective and it certainly doesn’t give the most accurate picture of what went down, although I understand that probably nobody will ever know exactly minute-by-minute what happened.
We also have to remember that it’s the FBI, and not only is the FBI imperfect, but they have an agenda to keep power and ensure that the public respects that power. I don’t support everything the Branch Davidians were doing, but what the FBI and the ATF did was horrendous.
What do you support about what David was doing?
@@maudepinterest5673
You don't have to support him to know that the ATF was committing multiple crimes, including illegal attempts of arms confiscation, lying about a meth lab and child abuse in order to get military equipment, they lied under oath about the use of pyrotechnic CS gas canisters. The government incinerated dozens of people.
Any government agency will do this to you or your family if it suits their needs, without hesitation. Remember that.
Kinda interesting in the time we are in now.
Those people were being controlled by a delusional sociopath. Please don’t defend them. Your wrong, the government won’t do that to just any family. This was a horrible situation and ended poorly because of a very sick man.
@@mattlombardi54 your refusal to accept any of the atfs role in this shows you are not well read on the topic, or are being intentionally ignorant.
@Tristan Mulvihill you’re kissing ass to a government agency that has been nothing but tyrannical and inflammatory since it’s inception and you look like just as big of a fool as you should.
@@mattlombardi54 Ah yes, saving children from sociopaths by massacring them.
What I get out of this is an old FBI guy trying like hell to absolve/separate himself from the events at Waco. He has as much blood on his hands as anyone else there that “followed orders”.
if they had microphones put inside, did they not have them recording what was being said?
If so, why did we not hear the taped order to spread gas, but we have to take some guys word and screen captions of who he is?
@Vivian Ellingson Don't forget they killed the son as well.
@@Manny-nm8dh and his dog
@Vivian Ellingson in 1993, public polling found 76% blamed the church and 12% blamed fed. Regarding how it was handled, it was split 41% positively, 40% negatively. I don't know where you're getting this narrative that everyone was outraged.
Exactly. I've heard all the tapes they allowed out. None of them mention the spreading of an accelerant. This guy spins a nice twisted web. You'd think his conscience would allow him to tell the truth at the end of his life but nope, lied until the very end.
Because God
He doesn't even acknowledge the fact that the tear gas they used was an incendiary. Vice out here posting ATF propaganda lol
LMAO do you think that's real? Incendiary tear gas that's a new one
@@xxprotosssloverxx yes.....the ATF has said that they used incendiary tear gas cannisters in this siege.
The Thuggernaut is correct. He is also correct about the propaganda. VICE doesn't release anything unless it's packed with some form of propaganda. They are the "mazters" of it as its also usuly quite comical and so.etumes annoying.
We will never know the truth about Waco. It's been so so manipulated and contrived to present the narrative society now accepts.
@@xxprotosssloverxx It's freely available to google. Washington post wrote an article about it in 1999
I guess I should have put an april fool's or /s. Bad joke my b
@@chainsawbarbarian yea it doesn't make a damn a difference they would've lighted it them themselves if it wasn't the gas.
"There were no shots fired by law enforcement" meanwhile two guys at 0:04 emptying their magazines.
I'm not from the us though and never thought that the law enforcement could have been framed as the bad guys after all.
I remember even as a kid balling my eyes out. The kids in the compunds were asking the negotiator "Are to going to kill us", and the answer was "no." We all knew what happened in the end. 😢
Great job ATF, you really achieved something at Waco. You should really be proud of yourselves🙄
🤨
Helped stop a child sex ring? You support pedos?
@@garrettsherer6602 by burning children alive ? Yea bud try arguing
@@garrettsherer6602 initiating a raid on a well known target without all branches being made aware of said raid until after 4 agents are dead probably isn't the best strategy of making an arrest
Also the FBI were the ones on the child molestation cases. ATF were just there on weapon modification charges, so the guys that started this weren't doing it to stop the pedo's to begin with
Your argument is even more redundant and pointless than the guy that replied to you even though it was
@@garrettsherer6602 When? When was there a child sex ring at Waco?
He should have said its the most horific crime seen Ive ever perpetrated.
ye I bet you can do a better job as a hostage negotiator.........
@@chulian1819 Yup, literally back off and don't open up on children creating a massive siege where you have to call in APCs to tear the place down and burn it too the ground ... it's pretty easy tbh. Now could I be as good as an actual hostage negotiator (at which point non of those people were hostages except say the children who the ATF/FBI gave zero cares about lol).
@@chulian1819 were they hostages? Or victims? Im going with victims. Victims of being burned alive.
@@desertedgoatgaming your completely delusional they were using the kids as leverage to avoid a full assault and paid the price. if you attack the cops you deserve every bullet you get. call me a boot licker i don't care but people of waco got what they deserved
@@hahalife3508they knew what they were doing. they asked to be burned alive
Twisted facts. Davidians who survived have spoken their side of the story.
30 years later and law enforcement still thinks they didn't overreach.
The kind of people who seek enforcement jobs are all too often psychopaths who seek a protected and "legitimized" outlet to hurt people.
They could have apprehended David when he was in town by himself, traffic stop. Instead the ATF burned a bunch of people to death
Part of the plan.
Including babies and small children!
dident that group set it on fire?
@@m.m9769 Was gonna ask that too
They never had the intention of taking anyone alive.
This guy forgot to talk about how they put bunker busting bombs on top of the concrete structure where David and his followers were hiding to avoid being burned alive.
Imagine if they had lion or fuze, it would of had been over in 3 minutes
I'm confused why did they pull up with an army when they could have literally stopped the one dude with one squad car as he was jogging through town
He wasn't carrying the guns.
Because they needed a big media spectacle so they could get a bigger budget they even called the media and told them when the raid was going to take place
Exactly, they could have done this more peacefully but the ATF was already under pressure due to Ruby Ridge. This was their ticket to reclaim their reputation and it backfired badly. They were ready to be the "heroes" again but they highly underestimated Koresh. Koresh was stockpiling no doubt but because he knew he needed to especially after ruby ridge
@@itzcapondabeat9804 they underestimated him and responded by burning him and his family alive. well accept the one who shot himself
@@itzcapondabeat9804 I got into it with a boot licking coworker once over this define "stockpiling" and the statute that says it was illegal because none of the davidians weapons were illegal if they were we would have seen them in detail and the texas rangers would have been allowed to examine them when they requested to instead they were told the recovered weapons couldn't be found
Life has many doors fed boy.
Thanks Jay and Silent Bob
So good
Except behind this door is a dog full of tannerite. And yet beyond that lies the pneumatic dildo hallway
Stfu
I can’t even afford a window
At 12:25... these tapes were actually played in court as part of a wrongful death trial. No reference to gas masks. No reference to "spread the fuel."
Wendigoon has a very good video on this. Regardless of Koreshs accusations, the ATF were very out of line on handling this.
And what happens to the atf? Absolutely fucking nothing. It makes me so mad, i go past mad, into frustrated disgust
Federal agents dropped the ball at the administrative level. Field agents told them the situation, but were ignored. Local law enforcement tried to intervene, but were stymied. Hundreds more would perish at the federal building in OKC as retaliation. The whole affair is a tragic loss of life. Just to save face.
I’m sure those field agents were heartbroken as they stood over the charred remains of their victims and smiled while taking pictures like some kind of fucked-up big game hunter who uses flamethrowers.
Let's not forget that Texas DPS ran interference for the feds and kept the media away.
More shame.
“You point a gun at my wife I’ll meet you at the door anyway” -Koreshhhhh
Wives*
@@TranceF0rmation lmao
Lmao He Said Say My Name Like It's Your Last Breath He Kold AF
@@livvlivetv7662 naw he's dead and killed the kids with him but keep glorifying a mad man
@@SausageDong What’d he do to deserve being treated like a saint like his sycophants act like? He may have wanted to protect his people but at the same time they also kind of put themselves into that situation in the first place. You casually stockpile more weapons than Jim Jones had in a compound with over 100 people and expect the feds not to come sniffing around? He also got into a gunfight years earlier and for some reason got away with it and he refused to learn from that mistake and didn’t bother with lying low for a while, let alone actually dropping his gun obsession. Arresting Koresh outside wouldn’t have solved the weapons issue they were there for. It might’ve helped but they would’ve still had to go there eventually. Their approach was arrogant but it’s clear that the Davidians were preparing for a last stand.
Imagine your most proud and notorious event in your career as a negotiator was Waco. Guy should go sit tf down somewhere.
What an incredible man!
To clarify, Byron the negotiator. Not Koresh.
“I’m not in the business of failing”
I’m in the business of ruining lives.
Government always has a reason to bust down your door.
Don’t forget, Ruby ridge.
A bunch of racists hoarding guns, yeah, folktown heroes 🥺🥺 Ruby Ridge was too slow, they shoulda all been executed
@@jediknight2013 It's that kind of attitude why the country is the way it is
@Constantinos CHRISTODOULAKIS there were no toddlers at Ruby Ridge, and that event deserves 0 sympathy
"There was not one shot fired by any law enforcement" - 05:14.
Right lol they editors were clever here by showing the boot lickers firing at them
He must have meant no shots were fired by LE after the cease fire , he said there was a gunfight to begin with, would be too dumb of a lie to claim LE didn't return fire when they're getting shot by 40 fucking aks.
@@SynM22 I've never seen someone with stormtroopers in their pfp complain about bootlicking lol
@@Diabetic_Chicken69 reaching much? They’re holding hands running in the grass lol
@@spritemultipack they didn’t attack first. The ATF did. They crawled up to windows to fire inside but you go ahead and buy the government lies
The guy said right at the very end no law enforcement shot at anyone or anything but right at the beginning you see multiple people shooting multiple shots at the compound 🤣🤣🤣 America in a nut shell