Lets Talk About Flat Mites | The Worst Pest for Hoya
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Story time on how I have been dealing with Flat Mites. Ive been battling these jerks since 2020 and finally so much information has come out about these pests that just love to live on our Hoya.
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hey all!! i just want to state that at the time, with the knowledge I had, this was my treatment plan. this may not be right for everyone and as i stated, do your own research! read safety guidelines and always always wear protective gear. that being said, i do not and will not be using sulphur. i have been using beneficials and a biweekly hoya shower/water blast on my plants. bugs/pests are part of owning plants and we just have to be ok with that. i never made this video as a how-to. i made it as a story time. telling you what i went through and what i was doing. my choices may not be the best for you or the best period. i’m just a human making mistakes like everyone else!
Just researching about flatmites now, what changed your mind about sulfur? New to this pest!
@@elizabethhealy9693 it's a chemical, even though it is "natural", and I didn't want to worry about my pets. My skin. You really should wear full protectiive gear and it was just a lot. I fou d that a high pressure spray of water and beneficials work well for me at this point. Stemma Journal has had some wonderful articles about flat mites.
Hello I'm about to toss a plant would you be able to answer a few questions? I posted 5 months ago and it is still growing new distorted leaves and a few knotty stem growth points. Please help?
@@haleraiser2299 I'm not sure where you posted. Do you have Instagram? Msg me there if you do
“And the mom’s in the kitchen hanging up the ‘Live,Laugh, Love’ sign” really got me 😂. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!!!
I can't even tell you how many of my hoyas were affected by these mites. I bought a microscope and found the little buggers on so many of the plants on my shelf! Your sulfur recommendation has saved SO many of them! They all started growing a little over a week after the first application! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you!!!
What other types of plants are/were affected? I have lots of succulents and some aloe 😢
Oh man, I literally stumbled across this in the middle of the night - not even looking for this - and have been scouring the collection with my little microscope...sure enough. So I came back here to join the flat mite community. I'm not as freaked as the first time I found thrips, but I will probably cry myself to sleep tonight. I ordered that sulfer in the middle of the night because I just knew - there is no way I have Hoya from all over the world and don't have them. Folks - even if you don't think you have them and aren't even concerned and just stumbled upon this - you're going to need the microscope and some sulfer stat! Good luck to everyone!!!
Sulfur worked so well for me too! I would like to just caution that it dried up my new leaves on most of the plants I applied it to. However I am now mite free! I did a sulfur paint method where I mixed it with water and applied all over the surface with a small paint brush
How long did it take to be mite free? 6 application?
That's a great idea! Using a brush instead of a spray. My pump gets stuck every time I try to spray. I will use a brush next time. Thank you!
Interesting! May try that method next time . But mine are rosettes cuz they’re succulents. Dealing with sempervivums right now and they have so many dead leaves , causing nooks n crannies that the sulfur needs to get into . Glad it worked for you . I do brush alcohol onto some that have mealybugs. I use the brush to smoosh and remove them while the alcohol removes their coating .
@@anakrstic4988 sulfur clogged regular sprayers. I killed 6. But when I used my electric sprayer it didn’t clog at all
Don't have a microscope or jewellers loupe, but 100% sure I had mites due to slow growth, deformed leaves and knobbly growth points. I've been treating with sulphur for the last 2 weeks, and seeing multiple (up to 10) new growth points on my hoyas! YAY! Thanks for this great information
I'm coming back to this video for a third time, theres so much information. Rare for a live, so hats off. And thank you!
Thank you, Adam! The struggle is real. I’ve amped up the game this summer, and I feel more in control of the mite population 🤞
Thats great news! Keep up the good fight!
Thank you for the knowledge!! I’ve dealt with all the common plant infestations but never heard of flat mites. I’m panicking right now at work, because I have a Hoya with clumpy growth at home surrounded and probably touching other Hoyas, so fingers crossed!!!!
sending good vibes!
That was about the most professional and educational live I’ve ever seen!! Nice job!!
Adam, you saved 6 Hoya for me!! They were yellowing and not growing at all. I treated them with the sulphur and my sickest plant (a cute little Sunrise) has SIX new growth points and a new vine! Thank you for all your hard work and research. I, for one, appreciate it so very much. 🥰
"Hey everybody, it's me. A flat mite, and I'm just munchin' on some Hoya...." Anyone else watch that like 5 times? 🤣 Adam, thanks so much for this info! I'd watched Betsy's video, and now yours, and now I'm convinced that at least one of my Hoya has these little a!!hats. Oddly enough I have that sulfur powder and use it to mix in with my rooting powder. Veeeeeery happy that the thing I needed is something I already have. Thanks again!!!
nom nom nom LOL
Thank you for doing this video, Adam. It was so helpful and I really appreciated the photos because I'm nerdy, too (already signed up for STEMMA).
Thanks for this info, Adam! And I just purchased (via your link) a microscope...and it was ON SALE! Yay! I 1000% know my Hoya Nathalie has them. It has that woody scarring on the back of the leaves. UGH. Also my Obavata Splash has deformed leaves... It'll definitely be an adventure when I get my microscope. Next purchase, sulfur fungicide.
Thank you so much for this video🤗🤗🤗 so much great information.... My 26 Hoya's are showing symptoms (not growing, weird scars and tiny bending new growth that are also turning yellow and falling off soon after sprouting out)...and I've gotten the Sulphur today and I have a wireless microscope arriving tomorrow. I look forward to when the whole process is over and I can get healthy growing Hoya's again 🤗🤗🤗 Hug's to everyone out there ;)
Hi Adam! I'm definitely late on watching this, not because of the length of the video, which I love watching you, but because I was afraid I might find these mites in my hoyas. ;-) It is great information though. I will be watching my hoyas closer now. I'm glad you added the pinned comment about using the sulfur. I have it, and a jewelers loupe in my cart, but will delete the sulfur, for now. I just hope that I don't have these awful pests in my plants. Thank you so much for sharing all of the info and for always being entertaining and fun to watch!
I am feeling so bummed and now paranoid. Plus itchy. You are so nice and calm and I am screaming. Cursing at these fockers. If there isn’t an answer to this I will just scream. Are they crawling on me? Ugh
This was such a fun live chat! Thank you for all the information! And the dancing was good too! Lol Hope you do more!
Thanks for hanging out with me Deborah!
@@KnotDude it was just so much fun! Best live I've ever seen! Lol can't wait till the next one! Lol
Oh my gosh that thumbnail is adorable
:) Thank you Gail! LOL
Thank you for this! I already bought a loupe and microscope after your last Q&A. I suspect I’m dealing with these jerks too.
Everything that comes out of your mouth has made me laugh tonight! Which I needed. Sick though that I find humor in such a creepy crawly topic!
Thank you for this! Many of My Hoya have stopped growing or really slowed down and I was really not sure why! Got a jewellers loop and now I know …
Thanks for this video! I had tried asking local plant groups about them for MONTHS and felt like I was crazy bc no one knew what I was talking about. One symptom that I have that I haven’t seen anyone mention about these mites is then leaving what looks like scratches on some of my leaves? On a lot of my Hoyas, the little leaves that are able to fully develop end up coming out warped and some with those scratches. Anyone else?
Yes! My gunung gading has these from the little jerks
@@KnotDude dang! Also do you happen to remember what ratio you used? Im reading the instructions but I’m not sure which one Hoyas fall under
I’ve been mentally preparing myself to watch this video for days 😅
I did the warm water bath I maintain 120 degrees 2 plants did great and 2 died completely :( so it’s deff a risk . I used to recommended it but after losing my carnosa and Archiboldiana I quit the baths / rec them! Bought the sulfer and going to give that a go . Thanks for bringing this to life for me because I have a few that have these EXACT signs
I live in Canada and saw those knobby balls on a couple hoyas. I got a microscope and started to inspect and saw some orange specs. I've washed those hoyas, thrown one out, and have been using Bug B Gone Eco and spot treat with alcohol and water on a q tip...It seems to work , and growth points are starting to come out of the knobby growth. I continue to check new growth points and get rid of all the orange spots i find.
I came back to rewatch bc I was late to the live. Gosh I'm SOOOO glad I did!! There is so much information here and it's incredibly helpful! Thank you, Adam for hosting this and giving us your personal insight. Love your channel and the podcast 😘
First things first. This is the best video about sulfur that I have seen. Very funny and entertaining. You have a lovely personality and seem like such a fun person to hang out with. Secondly, I wanted to answer the question that Becca asked I have these mites all over all of my plants. I had them on 300 or so succulents that are indoors under grow lights. Nobody was making videos about these back when I started getting them a couple of years ago. I was able to get help from Matthew who has a channel called Synchanel . I hope I spelled that correctly. He was nice enough to help me identify these bastards. They’re brevipalpus mites . At least that’s what I have. Right now, in the winter time where it gets down to the 20s and sometimes eight or 9°, I actually have these mites on all of my sempervivums. It sucks so bad! I can’t believe they are living through these temperatures. It does get up to 60 some days during the day. But anyway, so far, sulfur has been my treatment of choice. Thanks to Matthew , I found out sulfur works after I tried all of the hard-core miticides . The hard core ones killed a lot of my plants. Sulfur is just the best choice if you don’t have things in the hot sun. But my plants under grow light tolerate the sulfur if anyone is curious. Thank you for this video and I hope that anything I said helped. I always dip my plants in a c sulfur bath and swish them around. To give them a nice dose of sulfur and kill them so I am not spraying live mice around with the hose .Then I rinse them off. Then I spray them with 2 tablespoons of sulfur to a gallon of water. I use the sprayer just like the one in this video. I talk texted this. I hope it makes sense.🤗
“Hanging the live laugh love sign” 😂😂 thank you for all this info!! Super helpful
I have been trying to figure out these symptoms for years! I just heard of these today, I should have been listening to your podcast! I've been dealing with them by breaking off the gnarly growth points and then regular growth patterns would return. So if you break those off you can get normal growth. Now I know what to treat with I am so happy! I'm going with pyrithrin because it kills absolutely everything.
Haha ! Your comment about mom hanging up the Live Life Love sign was too funny! Ugh ! I hate those cliche signs everywhere. But you’re right about flat mites . I dealt with them on my succulents for a couple f years . Still do sometimes . Glue one on a sempervivum I’d brought in to keep it from dying in 8 degrees weather. I have many trays of sempervivum that are still in their nursery pots and I didn’t want to lose em to the cold . I know they’re cold hardy. But last year , I actually lost a few when it went from 60-70 to teens over night. Anyway, hope the cold kills them off my semps cuz I aint gonna be happy. Bonide sulfur mixed as per instructions had been my best cure . Yes I used it for indoor succs under grow lights and they still have the sulfur residue many months later since they don’t get rain . The smell disappeared in a couple of weeks and now only stinks when watering my plants for a few hours. Anyway, back to the video. Sad to see so many others dealing with these DEVILS ! But also feel less alone now . Thank you 😊
They were on your semps and other succulents too?! Oh God no, I have 1 hoya w mites, and lit Hundreds of succulent plants, babies and props!
Thanks for this video. I did had a Krimson queen that was growing fine for 2 years and them at the beginning of this year it started to had the scares in the back of most of the leaves. Now I know what it was.
Thank you for sharing your experience and treatment efforts for flat mites in a fun way. I suspect I have flat mites so now I’m feeling better about getting through it. Thanks!!
Thank you Adam. I had no idea about these mites. I have that same microscope thing and a Hoya headed for the trash. Sure enough, it’s got mites! I’m treating now thanks to you! 💚😘
Hi Adam. I missed the live because I fell asleep. Anyway again your hair💚💚💚 I just want to run my fingers through it but I don't think you or Steve would like that.
Hahaha im sure Steve wouldnt mind all that much. 🤣
Hi, Adam. I just loved the video! those munching mites is just a f*ç%%& nightmare . So finally I did the Sulfur treatment. Now my question is. When did you put on the grow lights again??? Thank you and a bigggg hello from Switzerland
I am so grateful for you making this video. Our experiences seem so parallel and I've been losing my mind and also my Hoyas to these mites! I knew they were different than the normal spider mite because they were red and smaller but I had no idea all of these symptoms aligned with the mites. THANK YOU! I can finally breathe knowing there is a solution. I've lost so many of my Hoyas since 2020. Ordered the sulfur right away!
Also I have tried the hot water and it killed three of my Hoyas
Best of luck to you. Its so hard to lose our plants but sort of a relief to know it wasnt purely our fault!
@@PaigeeMariee23 oh no. yea it seems very hit or miss.
Ive been putting off watching this video for months because I knew the second I watched it i wouldnt be able to ignore these mites anymore and id have to immediately check all of my plants 😂 im ordering the microscope now
SAME!!!
Hi, I think some of the other “mites” people have asked about are possibly springtails. Springtails come in lots of different sizes and colours across the world. I’ve seen some black ones with round body’s and small heads, but if you disturb them they usually spring and they are fast.
Thank you for the video and I always enjoy your podcast :)
The mites are bright red or orange and don’t “spring around” like the springtails. Plus a lot of us already have the signs and damage that the mites cause.
@@nancishufritz5499 watch the video
"The Mom setting up the 'Live, Laugh, Love' sign" - I fucking snorted! 🤣
I stumbled upon mention of flat mites and wondered if they might be the issue with my Hoya latifolia outer variegated. It suffers from stalled growth and knobbly stumped growth points (it's the only one so far). I have also noted sticky beads on vines. I haven't been able to see pests with naked eye. I dosed it with Bonide Systemic last night just to do... something. I just ordered the wireless microscope you linked. I'm out of time now and have more of this video to watch, but I've got something to go on, now. I might get out a super macro lens on my DLSR tonight, too, but that microscope will be handy to have around.
Liked, subscribed and followed on IG. Thanks from a fellow hoya and bourbon fan. :D
Bonide systemic won’t work on mites (arachnids). It’s only effective on insects.
Your amazing and thank you so much for this video! You have a wonderful demeanor and do wonderful videos!
Thank you for watching and hanging out during the live Vanessa!
Thank you Knot Dude, I have the sulfur fungicide already. Kill Mites and thrips are on the bottle, I sprayed with a horticulture oil so I will wait.
Mom mite in the kitchen hanging up the Live Laugh Love sign 🤣🤣🤣
I hate I missed the live but so happy u saved it...thanks for all the info
Thanks for watching.
Gosh. I’m only just now getting a handle on this. Thank you for the close ups.
Thanks for the info . I am just getting into Hoyas and I am scared.
I didnt think this was a live live vid so missed it! Sorry. I would have enjoyed this live but glad I get to see it anyway.
I love my hoya. I will get them a microscope 🔬 at some point.
Great video thanks
Good video. Can you pretreat to keep them at bay
Came to be bummed about mites, left happy from dancing! Thanks buddy!
thanks for being there, Pam! I gotta work on my moves lol
Thank you for this!! None of my hoya have been growing and I have nobly bits!
eek. sending good vibes to you and your hoya!
Sorry I missed your live Adam! Thank you for posting this. I am freaking out about mites now! Eek. Reminds me of when you came to Tucson to visit Becca, and you found spider mites on her plants😬 I panicked then too!
You are my hoya guru. I am buying the microscope and some sulfer, just in case! Thank you for the video. Great to see you!
Your neighbor in Tucson💚🌵
I remember that. Poor Becca . It was a great episode. I'm sure taught alot of us about spider mites
When you said “You got the mites” all I could think of was Highschool and not wanted to get the Crabs! Sick humor I know!
How do green houses keep all these bugs in check? It blows my mind that us homie plant people struggle and they can manage 5000 times more and so many plant species and are successful with everything they do!
Right!!
I got mad and put hoya pubicalix outside thinking I was going to throw it away and I think the outside pests took care of the mites!!!
This is my second time watching this. Missed the live ,sorry . I was wondering if you should check your ph level if you grow in soil? Love all your videos. Been with you since the beginning
This looks like two spider mites but non the less mites are such a pain … never get bulb, russet or or broad mites just throw it all away … also de in new soil dry mix in bins and let it do its thing then maybe nematodes and rove beetles …. It’s so tough don’t bring in dirty shoes or clothes and cleaning is every day
I just cackled so hard 😂. 18:31
So Helpful! Thank you for this video 💚
Such a good live!! Wish I could have attended, you could tell you put a lot of work into it! Ilyyyyyy! ❤❤
I know this video was an hour or so long, my attention span is rather short, I was fascinated every minute! Thank you so much for all the information on something I only heard about in passing maybe a week ago. Also, you mentioned the ph of water; I started watering with rainwater this past summer. I'm assuming rainwater would be a neutral ph since I live in a very rural area ( no acid rain/minimal pollution) so a ph of 5 would be just right, correct?
Awesome video! Thanks for all the information. Ready to jump back in there and check some more of my plants for these mites
You got this friend!
I think the original CTAHR article published by the University of Hawaii says to only simmer the roots & not the whole plant and the pest of interest is root mealies not mites.
That was one article but there are many others that talk about hot water dip for plants and foliage for a myriad of pests.
Bahahaha that mom is totally hanging a live laugh love sighn. SHE WOULD.
Im feeling throwing all my plant in the garbages
Thank you so much for this valuable info!
I am currently battling these and I have not seen them on any of my 3 philodendrons! I check every day so I think they are safe!
Fantastic informative video! I learned a lot!
Thanks for watching and joining the live!
Wow knot dude didn't even know about flat mites I'm battling aphids but I bought some granulated sestemic spoon in and water ps sometimes I just throw them with no remorse
Such a helpful video! Thank you so much for sharing your experience
Thank you for watching!!
Also, these images are GREAT 19:38
There's two spotted spider mites there as well
I have had false mites/flat mites on my philodendron Mayoi. It was one of the worst infestations for me..
Did you get rid of it?
Well shit, I'm a day late but here I am a professional Insomniac tuned in at 5am.
Question: are the flat mites averse to high humidity-levels the way spider mites can't survive in ultra-high humidity? Thanks!
A lady in my hoya group has done some experiments using different treatments. She's really good and very knowledgeable.
She came to the conclusion that castille soap and oil was the best treatment for flat/false mites, it also works for mealie bugs.
I'm in the Stemma group, it's really helpful.
That's great! I dont love using castille soap for my plants that are in an inorganic medium for the reason I stated in this video but castille soap is just so helpful!
Which oil is she using?
Baby oil. About 4 weeks after giving my hoyas a spray I've got quite a lot of new growth on what were dormant, nobby hoyas.
That didn't help for mealies at all.
@user-ek7kd3il5m I've gone back to using 3% hydrogen peroxide, it's easier, cleaner and not so messy.
Thank you this was a great video. Pray I never see these pests. Hope you get them taken out soon.
Thank you!
Thank you! I found these on my latifolia and tried the hot bath method, all but one leaf fell off 😔 I also killed one or two others, so I personally wouldn't recommend. I'm in the UK and while you can't get that brand of sulphur, you can get generic sulphur which is apparently the same stuff. Fingers crossed!
Yea, the sulphur i was recommended by Miro from Baise Plants was called Kumulus but that is not available in the states so the one I use is pretty much the same thing.
Just use an insecticide it works, a little in water in a spray bottle on all your plants once a week would do the trick 😉
Hello Adam! I found your channel and this video today, while looking for info on flat mites on hoyas. Thank you for this information. I have a small hoya that I suspect of having these mites, and I have been treating it with Neudorff Spruzit, which contains Pyrethrins. Pyrethrins kill false spider mites, so it might work on flat mites. I'm not sure. But, a few weeks after I started the treatment, the hoya neo-ebudica made a new leaf, and a point of growth is very fresh and green. I'm keeping my fingers crossed! Thank you for this video and the links. Here in Finland we don't have miticide with sulfur, but I will see if I can order it from Sweden. Thanks again!
I bought a Hoya Pubicalyx that had a lot of nubby growth. Of course I was a total newbie to Hoya care and did not know what that meant. The Pubicalyx has been in my care for one year now, its growing splendidly and even bloomed for me recently (it didn’t have any peduncles when i got it). I have noticed that a lot of growth is happing on the nubby parts. I have started looking out for these mites now because they sound scary. Thanks for this lesson on flat mites - now we know.
they can still grow with the mites, it will just be slow or stunted.
Great video thank you so much for sharing 💜
Hi. Can you please tell me what tropical houseplants or succulents these mites invade? I've had 1 (one) Hoya from a cutting for @10 years. Thing is it barely grows, has deformed new and old leaves and looks like its struggling. It only ever tries to grow one vine which is where the new growth is. I just learned it was a hoya in the last year. I have pothos, philodendron, aloe and hundreds of succulents and will not be able to treat the quantity I have :( I will isolate the Hoya for now but its been near the others for this entire time and the only pests I've found for sure are mealy (ick), aloe mites, and the spider mites and scale long ago. Trying to decide which plants I should most watch and treat?
PLEASE can you help me? I'm about to toss my plant, it has the knobby growth points. Can a cutting be saved? Or just burn it all? Are any of my other plants high risk for flat mites? Or doomed?
I have them on my lipstick plants too. Also Ceropegia sandersonii. I would bet dischidia could get them too, although so far so good.
Eyebrows they say our eyebrows are full if things!
Thanks!
Best thumbnail EVER!
🤣🤣🤣
I'm receiving an order of hoya cuttings/rooted babies today! I have recently gotten a usb microscope(still learning how to focus it properly lol), wish me luck there are no flat mites!
Just saw your vidro chat. Thank uou soooo much. I may have missed it but how do you mix the sulfur? Ratio of water yo sulfur. Does it clogg sprayer? Again thank you for your time & sharing your knowledge! Michele 💜🌱
Great show, thank you 😊
How transferable are they? If I touch my Hoya that has them will the next Hoya I touch get them? Or if the plants are touching do they go from one plant to the next?
Plants touching yes they can travel between them. And they canbgeton your hands and off when you touch another plant I'm assuming but truly have no info to back that up.
I have seen those mite on my peperomia Obtusifloia 's😢
can't get any sulfur in my country.. does Neem oil have any effect on flat mites? does it help get rid of the eggs?
Where do you live? Just out of interest. I am from Switzerland and had to look for it.
I sprayed everything down with my very strong shower wand. that took off a lot of the eggs! then sulfer treatments
Missed the live but great video! I had a feeling I was dealing with some of these mites and just got a microscope this week and have found just a few and have started aggressively treating so really appreciate that you did this to share your experience. One follow up question about the sulphur which is what I’ve been using.…is it ok to put the hoya back under grow lights once the sulphur spray has dried or will that burn the leaves?
Hi, I do not recommend placing back under growlights or into sunlight after treatment of anything.
Someone else already replied but I would agree with them! I dont usually put any treated plants back under grow lights until they have fully dried. I have put my ones with sulphur on them back under them after a day or so and have not seen any issues. like with anything, do a small test before you do it with a lot of plants, just to be sure.
@@KnotDude Yes I typically don’t either until they’ve dried as well but if we’re treating for 6 weeks I wanted to make sure they’re ok to be under the lights between those weekly treatments once they are dry but still have the residue on the leaves. And totally agree I always test on my least loved plants first for everything 😂
Omg I started dancing while doing dishes when you did the REMIX hahah!!!
Please tell the full name of the sulfur again
I am pretty sure I had them on Orchides and velvet leaf Philos, Also Alocasia „Frydek“.
Oh and the hot water method turned my verrucosum Babies all in to mush. So can not reccomend this for thin leaf Philos. Not going to use that method again at all.
The video actually starts a 10:00!!! You're welcome.
Thanks for this, Adam! I wonder if there's any harm in a sulfur pre-treatment after a plant is received from a seller? 🧐
I doubt it
Sigh, I am probably going to have to do the sulfur thing on everyone. I had a group of about eight Hoya die on me quite suddenly, after not growing for a year, it’s so frustrating.