Now do a realistic comparison. AR-15 compatible calibers only. 6ARC vs 5.56/.223, .300BLK, 6.8SPC, 6.5 Grendel, etc. Let us know how it fares against its peers. This is like comparing Floyd Mayweather to Muhhamed Ali and asking who would win if they fought.
There are many people saying that the 6mm Arc is just as powerful as a 243 Winchester. 243 shoots the same bullets anywhere from 300 to 600 ft per second faster. But there are people who say it's just as powerful
@@joew5792 hornady says 6mm arc shoots a 110 gr .604 BC at 2575 fps. Hornady also says 110 gr .604 BC out of a 243 win achieves 3000 fps. 425 fps more velocity in a 243 win than 6mm arc from the highest BC 6mm bullet hornady makes. That means that at ALL ranges the 243 win obliterates 6mm arc.
@@joew5792 the 6mm arc and 243 will be equal power but the 243 acheives the same power at a further distance. I did get it. There are many who think and say they are equal in performance.
The point is it mimics 308 trajectory, fits in a AR mag, and enough emergency to deer hunt. 0 recoil long range plinker.... its not meant to be compared to 308 case calibers
308 Winchester is a cartridge, .308 is a caliber shared with many other cartridges like 30-30 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 Winchester magnum.
My comment was over your head. The other calibers in the test are not in the same category as 6arc, 6.5 grendel. Standard short action cartridges are obviously more powerful due to much larger case capacity. 6 arc is designed to mimic .308 winchester trajectory, with similar recoil to .223 while giving close to .243 winchester energy all while fitting in an AR mag
Great info and as posted by several others the 6 ARC and 6.5 Grendel are the only ones listed that run on an AR15 platform. The others are AR10 platform. It was my understanding that the 6 ARC was to improve the AR15 performance of the 5.56 NATO/223. A great comparison may be the new 22ARC. Thanks and keep up the great content
I have both the Grendel and 6arc in custom rifles. One thing for those of us that shoot a lot, the case life on both of these is more than a 308. Which is a lot. The 6CM has about 1000 round barrel life, if that. That’s benches accuracy, not hunting accuracy. So for those that hunt only, that’s not a big deal. But for those that shoot a lot, it’s a big deal. And also, if you handload, it’s pretty easy to get 2900 fps with a 108 grain bullet in the 6arc. But that’s from a bolt gun, not an AR platform. Apples to oranges I guess……
Like others have said before me the 6 ARC was designed for the AR 15 platform for the D.O.D. To get better terminal performance at ranges the 5.56 could not..
The 6 mm ARC was designed to replace the 5.56 mm by giving it greater range and stopping power, while not adding a lot of load weight and recoil. It definitely succeeded towards that goal. It is a very efficient cartridge and a better idea than the 277 Fury insanity.
The military wanted a cartridge in a AR15 that would have the same ballistic as a .308. Hornady developed the 6mm ARC. It stays supersonic past 1000 yards.
Without a doubt the 6mm ARC is the best cartridge yet in an AR-15. Carry around an AR-10 all day and you'll soon realize the benefit of the 6 ARC in the AR-15.
You are not comparing apples to apples. You can’t shoot any of the other cartridges you are showing in the AR15 platform, except the Grendel. Of course the other cartridges will perform better with 15 more grains of powder.
You are 100% correct! I have it in a gas gun and a Howa bolt gun. Both 20 inch barrels. It does what it was designed to do. It's pretty good out 1000 yards too!
@@montanamusings I have a gas gun with an 18” Proof SS and I love it. Low recoil and very accurate, it also performs very well at extended distances so I am happy. I would love to try the new Gieselle 6 ARC.
Several years ago I wanted an AR15 upper with more punch than 223/556 for my wife to deer hunt with and I was just intrigued by an AR platform with a lot more juice. Could be handy to have around for multiple reasons. After a lot of research I decided on Grendel. I’ve been very pleased. My wife took her first deer with it two years ago and the big doe she shot dropped in its tracks. Shot was inside 100 yds and she had practiced for a high shoulder shot and that’s what she made. When the 6arc came out I was interested enough to watch and read about it but it’s not enough to make me switch over. Grendel is more than enough for what we use it for. My hunting is almost all 200 yds or under and we only take shots we know we can make. If the animal doesn’t give us a good shot we let it pass. I’ve been thinking about trying out a 12” pistol Grendel for her as an even handier package than the 16” I have now. As long as it’s still relatively easy to find and load for I’ll probably stick with it.
@@Rickkari7 A friend of mine and his grandson both shot their deer last season with a 6ARC, I think they used factory rounds the previous year but I built them a bolt action on a Howa action, hand lapped the barrel. I believe they are going to try to hand load for that one.
I just ordered a 6mm ARC for this reason: Burns less powder than 6mm Creedmoor, has amazing barrel life in comparison to the 6mm Creedmoor, and while it is going a bit slower, It is stable at long range and did I mention it burns far less powder, making it cheaper to reload. For a paper puncher, it is awesome.
Depends what it's used for. For deer, antelope, and other class 2 animals Grendel, 6arc under 300yds are excellent choices with proper hunting bullets. I'll take the 7lb recoil any day if the week.
@@lenzadlberger in the us, the swede is considered an obscure caliber so all the us manufactures load it down for the old milsurps and its really hard to find any and finding some good Norma or Lapua is like finding a unicorn. and its ts all overpriced, 1.5 that of the creed moor, thats why i got set up to reload
6PPC is like a 100 to 200 yard benchrest cartridge. You can maybe stretch to 300 yards, but I think most benchrest shooters go to 6mm Norma BR for 300 yard group shooting.
the 6 arc shouldn't even be compared to the creedmoor and 243, its a completely different class of cartridge, compare it to other micro action cartridges
Apples to Tomatoes comparison ! It was built for the AR platform and the almost imperceptible recoil leads it for spot on fallow up shots ! Once you try to shoot a coyote at 400 yards with it you will understand how easy it is to shoot !
Thanks WTH this is very useful info for me, i love the color coding too. I appreciate the work you put into your posts for us to watch. Wind drift would be cool as well. GB
I went with a 6mm Arc for a bench rest gun for many reasons. Long barrel life, zero recoil, very accurate 6mm bullets, same amount of powder charge as a 44mag so 1 pound of powder actually lasts awhile.
It’s designed for PRS shooting. Low recoiling cartridge that can be taken to distance fairly easy and can stay in the scope with barely any reticle movement compared to bigger cartridges. Plus it fits in the AR 15 platform
Greatly appreciate you taking the time to share all the information on all but every cartridge. 👍 I have heard Hornady talk about the shortcomings of 6ARC while promoting 22ARC. I’m waiting for the real world information to come out on the 22ARC.
Your awesome videos are not showing up in my feed anymore. Made it a point to hunt you down to see what can be done to get the content I enjoy filling my feed again. Thank you for your works and keeping me entertained for hours on end.
All the 6 arc factory ammo is loaded to the lower pressure for the weak AR bolt face. If you handload a 6 arc in a bolt action is pretty decent. Felt recoil is a good bit less than 243 for some reason when shooting same weight bullets in identical rifles. Something that no one ever talks about is in real life comparing 6 arc to 243 bolt action velocities in short barrel and lightweight varmint bullets the 6 arc closes the gap between it and the 243 quite a bit. I think it’s because the 6 arc doesn’t lose as much velocity per inch or barrel as a 243 does. In 18” barrels it’s usually extremely close as in under 100 fps and less felt recoil. I like em both and when 6 arc first came out I thought that’s dumb but since shooting 6 arc I very rarely shoot 243s anymore
I think the main purpose of the 6 ARC is mostly for the PRS gas gun division. It’s accurate and low recoil. Most cartridges compared here would require the much heavier and more expensive AR10. The only thing this video really proves is 15 gr more powder goes faster. If you compare it to other cartridges that a fit into a standard ar15 it does well. Loaded with the 80 gr cx bullet in an 18 inch barrel it hits 2850 -2900fps and is plenty on coyote and deer.
The purpose of this cartridge is to sell more ammunition. If everyone keeps thinking that they need the latest and greatest cartridge, rifle, or pickup truck, they will part with their money. Dad's old .308 is still getting the job done. Thanks for putting the facts on the screen for us to see. Cheers!
The only way I'd go 6mm arc is in a bolt gun... I can reload them puppies HOT... 6x45 is a sleeper an its the cheapest! 6-6.8spc is fast! An amazing in short barrels... 6max seems promising... The 6mm maximum is on my list 400 legend necked down to 6mm... simalar to the 6-6.8spc but slightly more capacity! Should be pushing a 55gr nosler over 3500fps easy from a 16" barrel . .. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I bought a Seekings Precision 6mm arc in the AR15 platform. It has a 22 inch barrel. I'm also trying to learn more about this caliber. I look forward to seeing more videos. I live in McMinnville so I'm just up the road from ya. God bless you and yours and God bless America 🇺🇸
I appreciate the comparisons. I want a 6mm ARC because I like the 7.62x39. The 6mm ARC. Seems to be a massive improvement over the 7.62x39 out of a mini action. So modernizing a compact, low recoil, round for medium range. I only shoot 200-300 yards at the farthest. So the appeal is strong to change to 6mm ARC
Eh, I still like my 6mm ARCs. It was designed at a DOD request to improve AR-15 lethality and ballistics using an 18 inch barrel, and does that job quite nicely. Plus it has a nice safety margin vs 5.56 for nailing coyotes in my local area :)
For me, it's .243 all day and twice on Sunday. IMO, the only thing the 6mm Creedmoor is good for is if you're long distance target shooting, or if you have a need for a dual purpose rifle. I'm a hunter, so for my purposes, it's .243 all the way. Ammo and components are cheaper and more readily available than other 6mm variants, and heck, I can even neck down .308 brass if need be. For my needs, it's just a better option. Eventually I'll be building a Tikka T3x with a custom 24" barrel with a 1:7" twist rate for shooting heavier, higher BC Hammer bullets up to 105 grains. With the higher velocities that Hammers allow you to achieve (with the same pressures), it'll be even flatter with more energy than any of the other 6mm variants listed in the charts for this video. I'm building it solely for hunting purposes, but it's nice to have an even flatter trajectory and more effective range. It's gonna be sweet little rig. Great video as always, Adam! 👍
Thank you for including the 243 and 6Rem for comparison. I have a 6Rem so it is really cool to see just how impressive the 6CM is with less powder. Have a 6BR too that one day I want to chrono my loads to see how it compares.
I would say that its amazing that the 6 arc perform so well with 15 grains less powder then the 243 and 6mm rem. So 2 243 round and you get 3 6 arc cartridges. And 6 arc fits ar15 platform and for the cartidge and the velocity its pretty impressive and vert efficient. And not to mention not near as much recoil as the 6 creed 6 rem or 243 and a deer cartridge out to 350 400. I say its awesome
The only true comparison out of those is the 6mm arc vs the 6.5 Grendel. The other rounds are made based off of the .308 round and fire through the AR-10 platform. The 6.5 Grendel and 6mm ARC are based off the .220 Russian and fire out of the AR-15 platform.
Can someone explain to me when drop matters if your reticle takes into account drop? I know very little about long range, so is there an amount of drop that requires dialing your scope?
I truly appreciate all the work you put into these charts as they are amazing base line to start with... 1 thing I thought about while watching is there are so many reason's someone would pick any 1 of these over another. Personally I think man I already own bla bla bla I don't have to go out and repurchase everything for a new cartridge. Where someone that as the extra $ will purchase all the new stuff just because they can. Anyway so many different reasons Thanks for the video look forward to watching ya shoot some stuff
I’m going to buy a 6mm ARC from CMMG at some point. I already have the 6.5 Grendel and like it. I purchased the 6.5 Grendel for longer distances shooting out of the AR-15 platform but that was before the 6mm ARC came out. Otherwise I would have bought the 6mm ARC and not the 6.5 Grendel. But that’s life live and learn,It is what it is.
Its a niche cartridge, it has a purpose. Like you stated what was it designed for? EX: 223 Remington When people say it was designed by the military I cant help but interrupt them and say they're wrong. 223 Remington was a varmint round hijacked by the military and redesigned into the 5.56 Nato. 30-06 Springfield was a purposely built military round, but ballistically is awesome for hunting and the proof is in the 118 years that its been used. I don't believe a caliber is bad or good. They're purpose built someone somewhere was looking for something as a in-between, it's just figuring out the in-between what and then you get a clearer picture. To your point rabbit holes. Everyone has their own solutions for their own problems or kicks. this is why when it comes to cartridges i compare bullet grain weights over pure cartridge to cartridge. Its all apples and oranges, and in the case of magnums, watermelons.
Very much looking forward to your video on the CMMG BR4. Hoping it runs great. I've seen that Sig MCX Regulator, but the regulator is over $1,000 more expensive.
A guy just shot a factory stocked howa 6 arc for 1000 yards down in texas.(Texas plinking). I was impressed but The round has never appealed to me for any thing.
I shoot 6mm arc and get .248 size groups out of an ar. it cost me 92 cents a round its a great coyote round. It cost me $800 to build a rifle scope and all. Extremely cheap and easy to reload. Not saying it gets amazing energy but there is a dead coyote at 942 yards on my charts.
when you have finished this it would be nice to see the same comparison in bullet slingers out of the ar15 platform. big difference in packing an ar10 platform in the woods vs the smaller lighter ar15. lik 223/556, 6 arc, 22 arc, 204 ruger, 6.8spc, 6.5 grendel
Half of these cartridges really have no reason to exist other than to drive up ammo prices and sell guns in a new caliber. Then the company rates them out of a 24 inch barrel to hype up their performance numbers. A 243 or 6mm Rem does just about advertised velocity from a 20 to 22 inch barrel and have been doing it since the 1950s.
More potential velocity & energy in other cartridges is not a reason to bypass the ARC, unless that is your only criteria. The ARC looks to have sufficient power to use on whitetail to 400 yards. Being that it can fit in smaller platforms - AR 15, Howa Mini, or CZ Mini which gives it a weight and length advantage over the others. Looking forward to your sight-in and group testing with that CMMG
I’ve been shooting the .260 Remington for over 30 years in a Savage model 11 , a great combo that doesn’t take a back seat to any of those newer cartridges!
A lot of people upset in the comments. If you love the 6mm ARC, that's great. Keep enjoying it! But I'm pretty confident that Who_tee_who realizes it's on an ar15 length action. It's not an apples to apples comparison, but a fruit comparison. Bolt guns are avaliable in 6mm ARC, 5.56, and 6.5 Grendel. And AR(10)s are avaliable in 6.5 creedmoor, .308, .243 etc. Why limit yourself to a couple of small cartridges unless you plan on carrying a full kit of ammo. Which is what smaller cartridges were designed for.
I think you should have compared the 6mm ARC to the .223/5.56, .224 Valkyrie, 7.62x39, and the 6.5 Grendel. They all fit in the AR 15 platform, or so called mini action. Where as the Creedmores and the .243, and what not all need a short action like an AR 10. The short action allows for a longer OAL, therefore more powder capacity and better performance in general. The 6mm ARC compares very favorably to the other mini action cartridges, as it was intended.
I'm just 30-06 guys, just deer hunting you can load it up or down. In north Alabama you get a shot at 100 plus in a fields, in the woods 30 to 50 yards
So the purpose of the 6mm ARC was to fulfill the needs of a DoD contract for a DMR that could fit on an AR15 frame and be a gap filler between 556 and 308. The biproduct of 6mm ARC, once it hit the civilian market, was that for folks like me that can't hunt deer with 223 in my state, I now have a hunting legal cartridge in an AR15 platform. A more accurate comparison for 6mm ARC would be to put it against 556 and 308 and exclude all of the other calibers. From my understanding, it has a better BC and performance at and past 1000 yards than 308 because 308 goes transonic somewhere between 800 and 900 yards depending on the load. Also, the 6mm ARC was originally designed to used with an 18" barrel. Hope this helps. Keep up the good work, Who-Tee!
There's a 6mm max cartridge just developed by SOLGW that doesn't quite compare to the 6mm ARC but it's definitely interesting in that it uses the same bolt as 5.56 (it's a bottleneck 350 legend case) only needs a barrel change and uses everything from 55-103grain in the AR platform and it'll be interesting to see how it performs when they start pressing the buuulots and making barrels for it more common.
The biggest reason for 6 arc is its the best compromise between using some high bc bullets and low recoil. As a man who appreciates value and budget kit like yourself, i think you will appreciate its efficiency after some shooting. Go for the epl4 4-16
at 1st sight i thought it was a .22/.250 , the you said it n i was like ive never heard of it , cool, learning new rounds n stuff brotha adam , watch that classic zombie movie with the 30.06 pickin off those zombie's down in the lot from the rooftop , really good stuff there , talk soon > tom !
Great info. I'm a big 6.5 Grendel fan and have hunted with one for 5 years. If you do a like to like in bullet weights 6MM ARC vs 6.5 Gendel. The difference is very little. A good comparison can be seen at Dave Strohmeyer - Saddle Up Shootin' page. He shoots both in 24" AR 15 platforms. I used the 123 grains for most of my hunting. Have recently changed over to 100 grains.
To compare a short action group of cartridges to an AR platform cartridge is rather unfair. The Grendel is the only one in the same category. To make it fair, drop the short actions and add AR cartridges like 6.8 SPC, 224 Valkyrie, & 300 Blackout. Any larger in diameter would be relatively useless. There are some wildcats out there that could also make it interesting, but it would be better to stick with production ammo only. If you are going to go short action, why not go 257 Wby or 6.5 PRC, they would both drop less than any of the others, with the 257 beating the best by 4 inches. The 6.5 PRC would easily beat the best in energy. Dial in is a worthless comparison. If you know your dope, you know where you need to dial. Home much you have to dial is mostly immaterial. Please try again with cartridges in the 2.260" OAL range to make it a fair test. If you do, the 6mm ARC is best in drop, Best in energy @ 500yd (Grendel just a hair under), and best in Come Up (again, just beating the Grendel). Oh, the ARC is also best at bucking the wind. So, what's the best cartridge in the AR Platform for medium range? The king is currently the 6mm ARC - Hands down. Do better.
WTW, have you seen the new Taurus bolt action, 1-10 twist inside and the outside barrel is twisted as a look like it is.? It is a comparison of the Remington 700 that you have. It’s also has a threaded muzzle @ 5/8x24. 18” barrel also. Shoots a 308… 7 lb rifle and all at 998.00
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I like how he makes up his own mind instead of parroting what everybody else is already saying. I don't even own a 6mm, so good on you WTW.
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@@Bengtsson1742 He is as honest as a man can be and still keep the channel profitable.
@@JohnAngle-vw8yq I get the feeling he'd keep doing it even if it cost him some.....just because.....just to know.
Now do a realistic comparison. AR-15 compatible calibers only. 6ARC vs 5.56/.223, .300BLK, 6.8SPC, 6.5 Grendel, etc. Let us know how it fares against its peers. This is like comparing Floyd Mayweather to Muhhamed Ali and asking who would win if they fought.
There are many people saying that the 6mm Arc is just as powerful as a 243 Winchester. 243 shoots the same bullets anywhere from 300 to 600 ft per second faster. But there are people who say it's just as powerful
@@Mike-xi4zt it is, as long as you're 200-300yds further away with the .243
@@joew5792 hornady says 6mm arc shoots a 110 gr .604 BC at 2575 fps. Hornady also says 110 gr .604 BC out of a 243 win achieves 3000 fps. 425 fps more velocity in a 243 win than 6mm arc from the highest BC 6mm bullet hornady makes. That means that at ALL ranges the 243 win obliterates 6mm arc.
@Mike-xi4zt I don't think you got my point there, that's basically exactly what I said
@@joew5792 the 6mm arc and 243 will be equal power but the 243 acheives the same power at a further distance. I did get it. There are many who think and say they are equal in performance.
The Grendel and the ARC are much smaller cases, better suited to AR15’s. The others are short action 308 size cases with much more powder!
And higher pressure, at least comparing a Grendel to a .308 stuff.
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@dr.froghopper6711 Yep I built a 6mm arc in an AR15. 14.5 inch barrel. Love that thing
If you reload, you use 1/2 the powder and the available small rifle primers. Good luck finding large rifle primers now.
My .450 Bushmaster seems to be suited well for the AR platform. I guess that is comparing apples to pineapples though.
Grendel and 6 arc is made for the AR-15 platform 2.260 oal.
I have a Grendel bolt and AR. It shoots FAR better out of my bolt gun than my AR. Not even close actually. So 🤷🏻♂️
@@MontanaWillie44 dude you can't fix stupid!!!
@@albydoucet8467 lol any cartridge is going to shoot better out of a bolt gun vs a gas gun. Every time.
@@MontanaWillie44 I know that ku jo. There are better cartridges for the bolt gun 6 gt 6 br 6 creed
@MontanaWillie44 I have a grendel hunter upper that shoots 5 shot bug holes so ya... not necessarily
The point is it mimics 308 trajectory, fits in a AR mag, and enough emergency to deer hunt. 0 recoil long range plinker.... its not meant to be compared to 308 case calibers
308 Winchester is a cartridge, .308 is a caliber shared with many other cartridges like 30-30 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 Winchester magnum.
My comment was over your head. The other calibers in the test are not in the same category as 6arc, 6.5 grendel.
Standard short action cartridges are obviously more powerful due to much larger case capacity.
6 arc is designed to mimic .308 winchester trajectory, with similar recoil to .223 while giving close to .243 winchester energy all while fitting in an AR mag
@@jaydunbar7538remind me not to call my dewalt reciprocating saw a sawzall in front of you. It might cause you to have a stroke.
Great info and as posted by several others the 6 ARC and 6.5 Grendel are the only ones listed that run on an AR15 platform. The others are AR10 platform. It was my understanding that the 6 ARC was to improve the AR15 performance of the 5.56 NATO/223. A great comparison may be the new 22ARC. Thanks and keep up the great content
I have both the Grendel and 6arc in custom rifles. One thing for those of us that shoot a lot, the case life on both of these is more than a 308. Which is a lot. The 6CM has about 1000 round barrel life, if that. That’s benches accuracy, not hunting accuracy. So for those that hunt only, that’s not a big deal. But for those that shoot a lot, it’s a big deal. And also, if you handload, it’s pretty easy to get 2900 fps with a 108 grain bullet in the 6arc. But that’s from a bolt gun, not an AR platform. Apples to oranges I guess……
I can tow more with my 3500 truck than I can with my k1500 Tahoe. If you compare the 6 ARC to its actual competitors, it is MUCH more relative.
Always wanted a 2 door tahoe or gmc
Like others have said before me the 6 ARC was designed for the AR 15 platform for the D.O.D. To get better terminal performance at ranges the 5.56 could not..
6mm arc was designed to be the most effective cartridge for the ar15 platform.
The DOD should have reviwed it instead of that crazy 277 Fury.
@@PassivePortfolios agree
And how much better will it be against Red Chinese or Russian hard body armor?
@@Manco65 better than the current 5.56 mm and more practical than the 277 Fury.
@@PassivePortfolios good luck with that one
built for the AR platform is my understanding. I will stick with the tried and true 243
The 6 mm ARC was designed to replace the 5.56 mm by giving it greater range and stopping power, while not adding a lot of load weight and recoil. It definitely succeeded towards that goal. It is a very efficient cartridge and a better idea than the 277 Fury insanity.
Cept theres no affordable ammo
@@Slickone-wk9mc False. 6mm ARC ammo is cheaper than any of the short action cartridges.
The military wanted a cartridge in a AR15 that would have the same ballistic as a .308. Hornady developed the 6mm ARC. It stays supersonic past 1000 yards.
Without a doubt the 6mm ARC is the best cartridge yet in an AR-15. Carry around an AR-10 all day and you'll soon realize the benefit of the 6 ARC in the AR-15.
You are not comparing apples to apples. You can’t shoot any of the other cartridges you are showing in the AR15 platform, except the Grendel. Of course the other cartridges will perform better with 15 more grains of powder.
You are 100% correct! I have it in a gas gun and a Howa bolt gun. Both 20 inch barrels. It does what it was designed to do. It's pretty good out 1000 yards too!
Bigger apples.
@@montanamusings I have a gas gun with an 18” Proof SS and I love it. Low recoil and very accurate, it also performs very well at extended distances so I am happy. I would love to try the new Gieselle 6 ARC.
@MontanaWild78 good to see a fellow Montanan in the chat. I have recent video of a 500 yard KYL shoot on my channel. The wind was brutal.
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Several years ago I wanted an AR15 upper with more punch than 223/556 for my wife to deer hunt with and I was just intrigued by an AR platform with a lot more juice. Could be handy to have around for multiple reasons. After a lot of research I decided on Grendel. I’ve been very pleased. My wife took her first deer with it two years ago and the big doe she shot dropped in its tracks. Shot was inside 100 yds and she had practiced for a high shoulder shot and that’s what she made. When the 6arc came out I was interested enough to watch and read about it but it’s not enough to make me switch over. Grendel is more than enough for what we use it for. My hunting is almost all 200 yds or under and we only take shots we know we can make. If the animal doesn’t give us a good shot we let it pass. I’ve been thinking about trying out a 12” pistol Grendel for her as an even handier package than the 16” I have now. As long as it’s still relatively easy to find and load for I’ll probably stick with it.
My 18 inch barreled AR in 6.5 Grendel has been a great combination for hogs here in North Texas. Low recoil, fast follow up shots and plenty of power.
You all are talking about hunt, he doesn’t care about that he catches them
I’ve taken 3 deer and a coyote the last 2 seasons with my 20inch BCA Grendel upper. Great deer round. Wish ammo was cheaper though.
@@Rickkari7 A friend of mine and his grandson both shot their deer last season with a 6ARC, I think they used factory rounds the previous year but I built them a bolt action on a Howa action, hand lapped the barrel. I believe they are going to try to hand load for that one.
I just ordered a 6mm ARC for this reason: Burns less powder than 6mm Creedmoor, has amazing barrel life in comparison to the 6mm Creedmoor, and while it is going a bit slower, It is stable at long range and did I mention it burns far less powder, making it cheaper to reload. For a paper puncher, it is awesome.
The 6 mm ARC beats the 5.56 which is what it was designed to do. Any other comparisons are irrelevant.
Depends what it's used for. For deer, antelope, and other class 2 animals Grendel, 6arc under 300yds are excellent choices with proper hunting bullets. I'll take the 7lb recoil any day if the week.
6.5x55 swede all the way!
correct answer if its loaded to euro specs, saami did the swede dirty
The 6.5x55SE is the better Creedmoor nothing more to say
@@lenzadlberger no argument only thing the creedmoor has over the swede is you can get ammo for it.
@@danietkissenle in Europe there are more Different Loadings available for the Swede then for Creedmoor
@@lenzadlberger in the us, the swede is considered an obscure caliber so all the us manufactures load it down for the old milsurps and its really hard to find any and finding some good Norma or Lapua is like finding a unicorn. and its ts all overpriced, 1.5 that of the creed moor, thats why i got set up to reload
Now my 6-284 is a real screamer and has less drop than the creedmore
6 ARC is kinda a modern 6PPC . The PPC is incredible, but not a hunting cartridge
6PPC is like a 100 to 200 yard benchrest cartridge. You can maybe stretch to 300 yards, but I think most benchrest shooters go to 6mm Norma BR for 300 yard group shooting.
the 6 arc shouldn't even be compared to the creedmoor and 243, its a completely different class of cartridge, compare it to other micro action cartridges
The the 6mm better than 243 and 25/06????
@@Gokywildcats11i didn't say that, it will loose every time to the 243 and 25-06. as i said its a mini action Ar cartridge.
Apples to Tomatoes comparison ! It was built for the AR platform and the almost imperceptible recoil leads it for spot on fallow up shots ! Once you try to shoot a coyote at 400 yards with it you will understand how easy it is to shoot !
Thanks WTH this is very useful info for me, i love the color coding too. I appreciate the work you put into your posts for us to watch. Wind drift would be cool as well. GB
I went with a 6mm Arc for a bench rest gun for many reasons. Long barrel life, zero recoil, very accurate 6mm bullets, same amount of powder charge as a 44mag so 1 pound of powder actually lasts awhile.
It’s designed for PRS shooting. Low recoiling cartridge that can be taken to distance fairly easy and can stay in the scope with barely any reticle movement compared to bigger cartridges. Plus it fits in the AR 15 platform
My buddies Grendel is one of the most accurate things I’ve ever seen though. 🤷🏼
Greatly appreciate you taking the time to share all the information on all but every cartridge. 👍 I have heard Hornady talk about the shortcomings of 6ARC while promoting 22ARC. I’m waiting for the real world information to come out on the 22ARC.
Your awesome videos are not showing up in my feed anymore. Made it a point to hunt you down to see what can be done to get the content I enjoy filling my feed again.
Thank you for your works and keeping me entertained for hours on end.
Appreciate you watching. YT is squirrely
6mm arc’s advantage is it can be ran from an ar platform. It out performs the ar15. You left out 6.5 prc
All the 6 arc factory ammo is loaded to the lower pressure for the weak AR bolt face. If you handload a 6 arc in a bolt action is pretty decent. Felt recoil is a good bit less than 243 for some reason when shooting same weight bullets in identical rifles. Something that no one ever talks about is in real life comparing 6 arc to 243 bolt action velocities in short barrel and lightweight varmint bullets the 6 arc closes the gap between it and the 243 quite a bit. I think it’s because the 6 arc doesn’t lose as much velocity per inch or barrel as a 243 does. In 18” barrels it’s usually extremely close as in under 100 fps and less felt recoil. I like em both and when 6 arc first came out I thought that’s dumb but since shooting 6 arc I very rarely shoot 243s anymore
I took my 6mm Creedmoor out to a 1000 a few weeks ago. Wonderful cartridge in ALL respects. 24 MOA for me but I have a 26” barrel.
You should compare 6mm arc , 22 arc , and 22 creedmore
I think the main purpose of the 6 ARC is mostly for the PRS gas gun division. It’s accurate and low recoil. Most cartridges compared here would require the much heavier and more expensive AR10. The only thing this video really proves is 15 gr more powder goes faster. If you compare it to other cartridges that a fit into a standard ar15 it does well. Loaded with the 80 gr cx bullet in an 18 inch barrel it hits 2850 -2900fps and is plenty on coyote and deer.
The purpose of this cartridge is to sell more ammunition. If everyone keeps thinking that they need the latest and greatest cartridge, rifle, or pickup truck, they will part with their money. Dad's old .308 is still getting the job done. Thanks for putting the facts on the screen for us to see. Cheers!
The only way I'd go 6mm arc is in a bolt gun... I can reload them puppies HOT... 6x45 is a sleeper an its the cheapest!
6-6.8spc is fast! An amazing in short barrels...
6max seems promising...
The 6mm maximum is on my list 400 legend necked down to 6mm... simalar to the 6-6.8spc but slightly more capacity! Should be pushing a 55gr nosler over 3500fps easy from a 16" barrel . .. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
6Arc is like a .243 Lite that will run in AR15’s. It’s a neat little cartridge.
But wait, where's the 6.5 prc.
😂😂😂
Or the 300 PRC.
I bought a Seekings Precision 6mm arc in the AR15 platform. It has a 22 inch barrel. I'm also trying to learn more about this caliber.
I look forward to seeing more videos.
I live in McMinnville so I'm just up the road from ya.
God bless you and yours and God bless America 🇺🇸
I enjoyed the video. Thank you. Good information irregardless...as you verbally pointed out.
The 6mm arc was build to work in a AR 15 platform and lower receiver
I appreciate the comparisons. I want a 6mm ARC because I like the 7.62x39. The 6mm ARC. Seems to be a massive improvement over the 7.62x39 out of a mini action. So modernizing a compact, low recoil, round for medium range. I only shoot 200-300 yards at the farthest. So the appeal is strong to change to 6mm ARC
Much love buddy I really enjoy your content.
Thanks for watching
6mm ARC was a blend of fitting in lighter AR platform, ammo capacity in standard mag, and effective distance.
6mm Arc comes in AR 15 platform,6mm Creedmoor comes in AR 10 platform.I know guys who use 6mm Arc for coyotes and they love it
The countdown montage has me tripping lol
Eh, I still like my 6mm ARCs. It was designed at a DOD request to improve AR-15 lethality and ballistics using an 18 inch barrel, and does that job quite nicely. Plus it has a nice safety margin vs 5.56 for nailing coyotes in my local area :)
Hey Hoo Tee. Look into the 6mm Max. 55gr. up to a 105gr. loadings! Its looks to be a great caliber, especially if you reload.
Nice video would like to see a similar video on 22 arc compared to other 22 caliber loadings
For me, it's .243 all day and twice on Sunday. IMO, the only thing the 6mm Creedmoor is good for is if you're long distance target shooting, or if you have a need for a dual purpose rifle. I'm a hunter, so for my purposes, it's .243 all the way. Ammo and components are cheaper and more readily available than other 6mm variants, and heck, I can even neck down .308 brass if need be. For my needs, it's just a better option.
Eventually I'll be building a Tikka T3x with a custom 24" barrel with a 1:7" twist rate for shooting heavier, higher BC Hammer bullets up to 105 grains. With the higher velocities that Hammers allow you to achieve (with the same pressures), it'll be even flatter with more energy than any of the other 6mm variants listed in the charts for this video. I'm building it solely for hunting purposes, but it's nice to have an even flatter trajectory and more effective range. It's gonna be sweet little rig.
Great video as always, Adam! 👍
You forgot to include 50BMG and 338 LM in your comparison! You'd be shocked how poorly standard length cartridges actually perform in comparison!
Thank you for including the 243 and 6Rem for comparison. I have a 6Rem so it is really cool to see just how impressive the 6CM is with less powder. Have a 6BR too that one day I want to chrono my loads to see how it compares.
Should have included the 240 Weatherby in the comparison. Beats all of them.
I built a 6mm AI with a 1-9 twist and it's right behind the 240 for speed and still use a standard bolt face. It's a screamer for sure.
I would say that its amazing that the 6 arc perform so well with 15 grains less powder then the 243 and 6mm rem. So 2 243 round and you get 3 6 arc cartridges. And 6 arc fits ar15 platform and for the cartidge and the velocity its pretty impressive and vert efficient. And not to mention not near as much recoil as the 6 creed 6 rem or 243 and a deer cartridge out to 350 400. I say its awesome
The only true comparison out of those is the 6mm arc vs the 6.5 Grendel. The other rounds are made based off of the .308 round and fire through the AR-10 platform. The 6.5 Grendel and 6mm ARC are based off the .220 Russian and fire out of the AR-15 platform.
Excellent video bro!!
Please do an ammo test❤❤❤
What about the 6.5 Carcano??😅😂😅
Can someone explain to me when drop matters if your reticle takes into account drop? I know very little about long range, so is there an amount of drop that requires dialing your scope?
6mm ARC: better than 5.56 Nato within the constraints of the AR15. That's really the point.
I truly appreciate all the work you put into these charts as they are amazing base line to start with...
1 thing I thought about while watching is there are so many reason's someone would pick any 1 of these over another.
Personally I think man I already own bla bla bla I don't have to go out and repurchase everything for a new cartridge.
Where someone that as the extra $ will purchase all the new stuff just because they can.
Anyway so many different reasons
Thanks for the video look forward to watching ya shoot some stuff
Always appreciate you watching!
Barrel will last longer and more accurate in the arc that's why competition shooters opt for the 6 dasher which is similar to the arc
I’m going to buy a 6mm ARC from CMMG at some point. I already have the 6.5 Grendel and like it. I purchased the 6.5 Grendel for longer distances shooting out of the AR-15 platform but that was before the 6mm ARC came out. Otherwise I would have bought the 6mm ARC and not the 6.5 Grendel. But that’s life live and learn,It is what it is.
Its a niche cartridge, it has a purpose. Like you stated what was it designed for?
EX: 223 Remington
When people say it was designed by the military I cant help but interrupt them and say they're wrong. 223 Remington was a varmint round hijacked by the military and redesigned into the 5.56 Nato.
30-06 Springfield was a purposely built military round, but ballistically is awesome for hunting and the proof is in the 118 years that its been used.
I don't believe a caliber is bad or good. They're purpose built someone somewhere was looking for something as a in-between, it's just figuring out the in-between what and then you get a clearer picture.
To your point rabbit holes. Everyone has their own solutions for their own problems or kicks. this is why when it comes to cartridges i compare bullet grain weights over pure cartridge to cartridge. Its all apples and oranges, and in the case of magnums, watermelons.
I appreciate learning from RUclips mistakes...😆🤣
Very much looking forward to your video on the CMMG BR4. Hoping it runs great. I've seen that Sig MCX Regulator, but the regulator is over $1,000 more expensive.
What about the 6 dasher and 6BR or 6Brai?
The only way I'll own a 6mm arc is with a 26 in varmint heavy barrel
277 Fury/6.8x51 next???
A guy just shot a factory stocked howa 6 arc for 1000 yards down in texas.(Texas plinking). I was impressed but The round has never appealed to me for any thing.
I shoot 6mm arc and get .248 size groups out of an ar. it cost me 92 cents a round its a great coyote round. It cost me $800 to build a rifle scope and all. Extremely cheap and easy to reload. Not saying it gets amazing energy but there is a dead coyote at 942 yards on my charts.
when you have finished this it would be nice to see the same comparison in bullet slingers out of the ar15 platform. big difference in packing an ar10 platform in the woods vs the smaller lighter ar15. lik 223/556, 6 arc, 22 arc, 204 ruger, 6.8spc, 6.5 grendel
Half of these cartridges really have no reason to exist other than to drive up ammo prices and sell guns in a new caliber. Then the company rates them out of a 24 inch barrel to hype up their performance numbers. A 243 or 6mm Rem does just about advertised velocity from a 20 to 22 inch barrel and have been doing it since the 1950s.
224 valkyrie had that one too when it first came out got it in a 24inch barrel
I need some reloading stuff to make some non-factory (weaksauce) loads for a Howa bolt action.
Not sure what you're doing here.
The 6 Arc is a cartridge designed for use in an AR15, compare it to AR15 cartridges.
Can you do a laser guided death bullet review? 😂 Enjoying your channel and flaking out on freedom.
You need to get a 6arc in a howa mini action I have one with an arken on it and I love it
More potential velocity & energy in other cartridges is not a reason to bypass the ARC, unless that is your only criteria. The ARC looks to have sufficient power to use on whitetail to 400 yards. Being that it can fit in smaller platforms - AR 15, Howa Mini, or CZ Mini which gives it a weight and length advantage over the others.
Looking forward to your sight-in and group testing with that CMMG
I’ve been shooting the .260 Remington for over 30 years in a Savage model 11 , a great combo that doesn’t take a back seat to any of those newer cartridges!
They don't show up in my feed either . I have to check in everyday to find one
You forgot to include 50 BMG in this mix, since you are comparing apples to artichokes in this video.
A lot of people upset in the comments. If you love the 6mm ARC, that's great. Keep enjoying it! But I'm pretty confident that Who_tee_who realizes it's on an ar15 length action. It's not an apples to apples comparison, but a fruit comparison. Bolt guns are avaliable in 6mm ARC, 5.56, and 6.5 Grendel. And AR(10)s are avaliable in 6.5 creedmoor, .308, .243 etc.
Why limit yourself to a couple of small cartridges unless you plan on carrying a full kit of ammo. Which is what smaller cartridges were designed for.
Adam can you compare your Arc with a 300 BLK with 16” barrel with 110 grain bullets from your Chrono?
I think you should have compared the 6mm ARC to the .223/5.56, .224 Valkyrie, 7.62x39, and the 6.5 Grendel. They all fit in the AR 15 platform, or so called mini action. Where as the Creedmores and the .243, and what not all need a short action like an AR 10. The short action allows for a longer OAL, therefore more powder capacity and better performance in general. The 6mm ARC compares very favorably to the other mini action cartridges, as it was intended.
And some 300gn. 452 whopper stoppers from a 450 BUSHWAKKER!
fits in mhi AR15, deer 🦌 stopper inside 200 yards.
I'm just 30-06 guys, just deer hunting you can load it up or down. In north Alabama you get a shot at 100 plus in a fields, in the woods 30 to 50 yards
How about the 6.5 sweedish.
So the purpose of the 6mm ARC was to fulfill the needs of a DoD contract for a DMR that could fit on an AR15 frame and be a gap filler between 556 and 308. The biproduct of 6mm ARC, once it hit the civilian market, was that for folks like me that can't hunt deer with 223 in my state, I now have a hunting legal cartridge in an AR15 platform. A more accurate comparison for 6mm ARC would be to put it against 556 and 308 and exclude all of the other calibers. From my understanding, it has a better BC and performance at and past 1000 yards than 308 because 308 goes transonic somewhere between 800 and 900 yards depending on the load. Also, the 6mm ARC was originally designed to used with an 18" barrel. Hope this helps. Keep up the good work, Who-Tee!
There's a 6mm max cartridge just developed by SOLGW that doesn't quite compare to the 6mm ARC but it's definitely interesting in that it uses the same bolt as 5.56 (it's a bottleneck 350 legend case) only needs a barrel change and uses everything from 55-103grain in the AR platform and it'll be interesting to see how it performs when they start pressing the buuulots and making barrels for it more common.
They should make a 6 prc or 6 Weatherby rpm
Necked up 5.56 = 6x45mm wheres it at in the mix
I watch most of your videos and see how much you like ruger Americans, I just got the gen 2 223 and love it
Awesome video!
The biggest reason for 6 arc is its the best compromise between using some high bc bullets and low recoil.
As a man who appreciates value and budget kit like yourself, i think you will appreciate its efficiency after some shooting. Go for the epl4 4-16
Glad to see you made this video Adam. Was looking into getting the kiddo a 6,mm arc. She has a 243 win and shoots it well. I'll skip the arc
at 1st sight i thought it was a .22/.250 , the you said it n i was like ive never heard of it , cool, learning new rounds n stuff brotha adam , watch that classic zombie movie with the 30.06 pickin off those zombie's down in the lot from the rooftop , really good stuff there , talk soon > tom !
I found a savage axis 2 in 6mm arc. actually shoots really good
Great info. I'm a big 6.5 Grendel fan and have hunted with one for 5 years. If you do a like to like in bullet weights 6MM ARC vs 6.5 Gendel. The difference is very little. A good comparison can be seen at Dave Strohmeyer - Saddle Up Shootin' page. He shoots both in 24" AR 15 platforms. I used the 123 grains for most of my hunting. Have recently changed over to 100 grains.
Two points: 1. Recoil. 2. Short/mini action. Find one that has less and does more. Also consider barrel life.
To compare a short action group of cartridges to an AR platform cartridge is rather unfair. The Grendel is the only one in the same category. To make it fair, drop the short actions and add AR cartridges like 6.8 SPC, 224 Valkyrie, & 300 Blackout. Any larger in diameter would be relatively useless. There are some wildcats out there that could also make it interesting, but it would be better to stick with production ammo only.
If you are going to go short action, why not go 257 Wby or 6.5 PRC, they would both drop less than any of the others, with the 257 beating the best by 4 inches. The 6.5 PRC would easily beat the best in energy.
Dial in is a worthless comparison. If you know your dope, you know where you need to dial. Home much you have to dial is mostly immaterial.
Please try again with cartridges in the 2.260" OAL range to make it a fair test. If you do, the 6mm ARC is best in drop, Best in energy @ 500yd (Grendel just a hair under), and best in Come Up (again, just beating the Grendel). Oh, the ARC is also best at bucking the wind.
So, what's the best cartridge in the AR Platform for medium range? The king is currently the 6mm ARC - Hands down.
Do better.
WTW, have you seen the new Taurus bolt action, 1-10 twist inside and the outside barrel is twisted as a look like it is.?
It is a comparison of the Remington 700 that you have. It’s also has a threaded muzzle @ 5/8x24. 18” barrel also. Shoots a 308… 7 lb rifle and all at 998.00