If I was Nissan, I woulda taken a slightly different approach on pricing. I woulda thrown the LSD and the best brakes on EVERY car and then let everything else be a la carte enhancements. Upgraded leather, upgraded sound system, bigger set of wheels, etc. The only thing really missing on the base Z is the LSD. Make the base price $1000 higher and throw it in every car. Then you really are undercutting the Supra by $10K and they will fly off the shelves. If someone wants to upgrade the other stuff they can, but the basics are all there.
As a car enthusiast I agree. But I think 90% of people buying it wouldn’t care, much less know about, LSD. SO FROM MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, a grand lower without lsd makes sense.
I'd rather buy an aftermarket LSD. They're 100× better anyways. The stocker just becomes a paperweight. The base, I believe, is more for the racer minded. You always change LSD and brakes. So why pay for "better" OEM stuff that you're just going to replace?
Exactly. Hold on to the Supra, cause tests and videos has already been shown that the Supra is quicker/faster than the Z. Clearly. The Z is just hype. So owning both is not bad.
Because the supra looks like and is a real sports car, not a sports sedan. Subaru killed the STI I was saving for so Supra it is... imo, best looking sports car under 100k.
@@jreyes2464 aftermarket lsd is probably better than the oem one anyway. I have a brz which comes with an lsd stock and it's a common track mod to swap out with an os giken lsd
I really liked the comparison. Good video. But why do you write 40000$ in the Thumbnail if it‘s the 50000$ spec? Seems clickbaity to me, which I don‘t think you need. The videos are good enough!
I think he did that because the sport and performance technically have the same engine and power. It’s all the extra mechanical bells and whistles that obviously separate the two models, but essentially you can still get a 400hp Nissan Z for $40k. That’s my insight ...
This is the best comparison video of the cars I have seen. I especially like the way you presented the instrument panel. Very nice. You get a good feel for actually sitting in one of the cars. Very informative and even handed.
I’m glad both Toyota and Nissan offer two great sports cars for consumers to choose and I think they are both closely matched in overall so it’s just matter of personal preference, can’t really go wrong with either one. For me, I am leaning toward the Z because I can relate this car to the iconic Datsun 240Z of the 70s. The Z is also all Nissan and is less expensive than the Supra. I had the 1985 Toyota Supra bought new and drove it for 23 years and 290K dependable miles.
FYI as a Q50 owner and experience with the VR30 , this engine can get way more power with just bolt ons. So you open up the exhaust and add intakes and you can get a extra 150 hp or more with a good tune . So a Z with bolt on can easily be in the 500 hp or more. I got my q50 with the 300 hp VR and FBO and iam at 440 whp. Its a great engine if you know how to work on it, and this makes the z a great base platform .
That's amazing because when this Z came out I was sold. I am a huge fan of a 240z. So this car is like a dream come true. I'm selling my car as soon as i have the amount to buy that beast.
@@stgrsa What extra work? For what? And my car I love it but it's an open deck. I'd have to do a CDC conversion to make power. Idk if I want to do that. I'm not sure.
@@GT-RTData9 obviously I am being hyperbolic to make a point. 10k$ is too much for what we get at performance grade, I think getting just lsd and tires is enough for 400 that’s basically 2-3k$ instead.
To me I still prefer the Supra because it looks sexier, has a straight six that's proven, Brembo brakes, adaptive suspension, a HUD, and a more refined interior with 2 cupholders. Plus a valved exhaust! Also no LSD in the Sport trim forces you to the higher trim to get one makes it a hard sell to me.
I have a supra so im pretty biased but im glad the Z exists. Its not as good as they were claiming so far, but its still a great thing in my eyes. It seems like a sports car revival since theres healthy competition with toyotas GR corolla and this new z. Im excited to see where this goes :)
My answer is, if your budget is $40k, get the Z and save up for a better LSD + wheels/brakes/tires that are better than what you get in the performance model. If it's $50k+ get the Supra with its proven B58, refinement, esp when the manual comes out. Honestly, performance model should have been $45k imo. For the upgrades you're getting, $10k is a very hefty price. $5k would have been a lot more reasonable. Also would have been a lot more compelling in comparison to the Supra.
When it comes to the looks, I think the biggest issue with the supra is that the shorter wheelbase kinda changes what we know as a supra. With the Z, they really paid attention to detail with the design and respected the Z heritage. Sure the FT-1 was a cool concept but it loses some character when they had to follow regulations to make it production ready.
A90 supra, with the short wheelbase and compact figure, is made for California canyons and track duty. The Z is more like the A80 supra as a GT sports car, made for daily driving and gran touring purposes. I think once you try to take the Z to its limits with downforce and track oriented parts, its flaws will start to show whereas the A90 supra shines at its limits.
@@Gr1MM240 I was clearly talking about it in terms of looks and design but I get that you're dumb. I mean if you're going there, they have completley dishonored the heritage by using an infinity sedan engine.
@@Kevhoe Suspension and brakes are easily replaced with better parts. The geometry and chassis are hard to replace. For one, the A90 wheelbase is leagues ahead of the Z.
This was what I thought too. Toyota has a tendency to understate the HP numbers. A GR86 dynos at 250 HP and not 230 HP. I would guess a Supra dynos at 400
Review doesn’t give anymore info than what a layperson would say about these two cars. Performance - same. Ride quality -same. Price of Z as tested is $50k, not the $40k as you keep saying.
Agree, but for 40K you still get same power, just smaller tires and no LSD which is a shame. Not sure that the performance package is worth and extra 10K, but you know, that's what most enthusiasts are going to buy.
Because this video is shite, or he is very very biased. A "wash" between the interiors? Really, the Z has door panels and switches carried directly over from the 370z which was already at 12 year old car. The Toyota interior is literally a BMW, a company known for making some of the best interiors atm.
@@yasiona2946 yea this guy is a joke. I unsubscribed from his channel. He made a channel off of the MKV Supra launch and is now needing to increase his views and subs so moving onto the new Z. You lose credibility by comparing the Z and Supra interiors. One is a BMW and the other is a 15 year old 350/370Z Nissan interior as you said. Complete joke of a channel and review.
The Z is exciting! I love what I’m hearing about it. Sounds driver-focused and satisfying to drive, which I look forward to doing! The Supra, to me, is too much of a compromise that leaves me short of really wanting one. Although the BMW (underrated) powertrain is not necessarily a bad thing, the design compromises to fit on the Z4 platform is where I lose any “want” that might have been there. Look forward to experiencing and perhaps buying a new Z! I wish Nissan would have called it the 400 Z.
The Supra also has a few annoying issues like the buffeting when you open the windows. Minor annoyances that can be fixed but the Z is fine from the factory.
Well, calling it a 400Z wouldn't make sense. The number was indicative of engine size. For example 350Z = 3.5L, 370Z = 3.7L, etc. A 400Z would suggest it's a 4.0L, but it isn't.
@@HollowM2 I should have known that, I drive a Miata! :-) The BRZ/86 definitely hit the mark. I just hope they stick around! The world needs these machines. I grew up staring at supras and 300ZXs in showrooms but could never afford them.
@@EK-rr2mdThe R34 was in production with the supra as both ended production in the year of 2002.. Now Yes Toyota did indeed compete with the 300zx. Butt Toyota did not continue with the supra after 02.. after 2002 as we all know the 350z and then the 370z were both produced until 2021 for the 370.. Now it wasn't until 2019 when the Toyota mk5 came out for them to hit the game late but did have a running start although By this time the R35 was Ruling the jdm world since 08 and on leaving Toyota in the dust at gapplbees.
Supra wins imo. You left out some premium features in the Supra that are missing in the Z, like full leather seating on the premium, HUD, and upgraded climate controls. You’re right about the 40k Z being a good deal but the performance model at 50k loses that appeal.
Supra Premium does have some more features. Overall it’s the classic price vs performance dynamic so well played out with the Corvette and now with these two.
Absolutely love the side profile on the Z and the back looks awesome, would definitely keep the original look if I got my hands on it. The Supra however, looks great too, but I’d be much more tempted to add many things to it like a spoiler and some body parts
Hey dude. I owned a 1970 240 Z back in the day. Wish I still had it. Would definitely buy the Sport at 40k. The styling is similar to the 240 and makes me want pick one up at 40k.
Great video! When pricing was announced for the new Z I thought the $40k base makes a lot of sense, but the PERFORMANCE version seems like a tougher sell at $50k...Not when compared to the Supra, but on paper it's tough to beat the Mustang GT! The Mustang weighs about the same, will give you about 70 more hp, has all the performance goodies, and will cost 5 grand or so less than the Z performance.
I agree with you, I think Nissan missed the mark on the pricing for the performance trim. 50k is still a lot of money, and we're not even talking about the elephant in the garage: the markups that consumers are going to see on this supremely hyped release. They have priced me out of a potential purchase, I'm glad I picked up a 370z with sub 12k miles. Maybe I'll look for a low mileage used performance trim in 3 years.
@@revmatchtv - Mustang GT cars are selling over $50 MSRP if swiped as Premium models and that’s without the Performance Pack. You can get a base GT with cloth seats and base audio and no options for mid $40’s. Pricing is high these days. Plus a GT drives like a big boat compared to a Supra or BRZ.
The B58 is all BMW. Toyota and everyone that understands engines will agree that this is currently the best 6 cylinder engine. Toyota Fans: 1: OMG this is not a real Supra (Lie). It sells at official Toyota dealers. 2: Engine is only reliable because Toyota worked on it somehow (Lie) BMW has been making inline 6 since you was born. Always been reliable with OEM parts and regular maintenance schedules. Toyota had nothing to do with it. 3: This car is great. I will buy if it had a manual. (Lie) Manual version is coming. Where is your reservation? 4. 2jz is better. (Lie) B58 is better than 2jz at absolutely everything up to 1100hp. 2jz block makes sense for 1500+hp which few will make. Again Toyota had nothing to do with development of this engine. They didn’t even bother making their own interior. Welcome to BMW land. It is a great car. Definitely a worthy successor to Mark 4. Rumor is that BMW/Toyota will put s58 engine next.
@@electrikoptik that is great because BMW Inline 6 have been reliable for 20+ years. It was good on the e36, e46, e90, etc. I easily got 200k miles with regular maintenance and no aftermarket parts. Stay away from BMW V8 and dealers.
I love both, but the the $39,990 is for the "meh" Z that has open diff, 245mm tires and brakes outta the maxima is just misleading. The $50k Z is the proper sport car IMHO.
The Sport is essentially the tuners option. Those are all things that tuners will swap out. I think it would be dope if Nissan offered an optional LSD... or I would say for 2024 increase the base price to $42k and just make the LSD standard.
You can take that 10k you save by getting the base and get yourself a LSD, brakes, wheels and tires and outperform both the Performance Z and the Supra.
I just got rid of my 2020 wrx sti for the 2022 Supra 3.0 premium and that mark up is ridiculous but idk a lot of ppl hate the bmw and Toyota I don’t care at the end of the day it’s what you want who cares what ppl think
Okay. So reason why he said 40k and showed you a 50k z. Was to give you the difference that you will miss when not getting the 50k. Which personally don’t mind. 10k mods will make the Z stand out like the supra
Base trim doesn’t come with LSD only the top trim does nor does it come with the better brakes and suspension . So your telling me you will go out and buy an base model to go void warranty just to get the feature the performance version has ? And mod for mod the VR30 doesn’t make the same power reliably as the B58 found in the Supra.
@@z32twinturbo13 Modding the Z will be a lot more expensive than the Supra. You will need to spend at least 6 grand to be able to be in the 600s. And that's assuming you are doing the job yourself
@@j.a.3138 won’t be more expensive. Since the motor already been out for more then 5 years. The aftermarket section is great. And with E85 hitting 600 isn’t hard at all.
There is a Supra in the parking lot at work. In person, I definitely follows current design language of too many lines, angles, swoops, and such. I just cannot bring myself to like it. The Z however looks clean, muscular, and not really retro but it clearly states where it came from magnificently.
Definitely subjective but the z just makes the most since between the two for your money both are nice especially When the Supra gets it’s manual next year.
Everyone’s comments suggest the b58 is the better engine, but don’t mod it. Except I feel like everyone who buys these cars wants to mod them, I know I do
@@overthere5815 there’s a guy pushing 800 wheel horsepower out of a stock block Supra obviously the only major thing he had to upgrade to hood that power was upgrade the transmission and swapped his axles
@@bman1668 B58 is relatively reliable, but just like the VR30dtt, it has issues too. I've read plenty of threads calling out waste-gate and valve cover issues. Not to mention the fact that BMW is well-known for building high-tech money pits, while Nissans sports cars are pretty much bullet-proof.
@@UMPride9NCs what b58? First gen ? 2nd ? From bmw or Supra? Because I assure u all those issues was fixed when Toyota reworked on the b58 from Supra . There are different versions of b58 and Supra has the latest and the best b58 now vr30 hasn’t been reworked by Nissan because Nissan is broke and cheap
@@bman1668 You sound a little upset there, fanboy 🤔. The VR30 is a great and reliable engine. I get that youre triggered af that everyone keeps making fun of the Zupra, but you've got me lmao over here as you desperately try to convince us that BMWs are more reliable than Nissans 😂😂😂
lsd and bose n leather n suede... the base 370z had it all. now I gota spend over 60K for a base Z CAD$ forget that, lexus, bmw, benz, audi here I come
The worst part is that only one of these two is still Japanese. I have owned several Z cars as well as several real Supra’s. The A90 IMO is a complete travesty to the name Supra. Love the new Z and If they make it in a roadster I will buy one for my wife.
I honestly think both cars seem great. Own an A90 Supra right now and previously owned a 370Z. Supra is light years better than the 370 was, but I’ll have to wait to drive the new Z. I do think there is a lot of BMW collaboration haters out there though who haven’t driven the new Supra. I’m excited to see the Z relevant again, I also don’t really see how it “feels more Japanese.” Haters gonna hate.
I totaled my '17 Z and my settlement payout was good enough to get me the Supra. But I wanted to wait for the new Z to come out and I'm glad I waited. I will be getting one if I ever get a chance. I told all my Nissan dealers that I will be paying it in full so I could have a better chance to own one when they get one.
@@bjornironsides6474 I owned a BMW and traded it for an Infiniti after my BMW maintenance guy told me "I love these cars but I wouldn't own one without a warranty".
It's a good face-lift of the 370 and with the turbos built in is better for California where it is illegal to modify your car. I think I like the Z more for the interior space, but I think the previous Gen 370 would be fine for a more affordable option.
@@akajonesy4388 I'm glad. Tired of the market being flooded with shitty vehicles that have been riced beyond belief by people who had no idea what they were doing. The engineers for the manufacturers knew what they were doing. Just leave your cars alone.
Z fan boy love. Frame old. Engine old. Heavy like 370. 3,500+ I think Nissan did the minimum to develop. Just an update to 370. Still might be nice but not ground breaking. Supera 3,200 to 3,400. Solid BMW engine. Car looks hot in person. Tough look.
Both the VR30 and the B58 engines came out around 2015/2016. Yes the Z is a bit heavier but it's not drastically heavy in comparison to other sports cars in the same price range. For 10k less than the 3.0 Supra you get essentially a really close competitor and both engines take mods very well
I'm glad that Toyota and Nissan revived Supra & Z! I felt bad for Subaru and Mitsubishi. Good thing Honda still does Civic and Mazda still does MX-5 Miata and RX-7.
Mazda discontinued the RX-7 in ‘02 they are bringing the RX-9 but I heard it’s going to be a hybrid or EV not a fan of that but seems like the younger generation loves EVs
@@ChrisTian-sd5yq no it ain’t there’s so much oil and natural gas in the earth to the point we can go an extra 200 years with it. Don’t believe the media I know real people that work in oil refineries that told me this. Tesla has a contract with the US government and he has the patent to make EVs
I think the Supra looks way cooler than the Z. It is lighter, as fast and you have a wide range of parts available to make it yours. Even the Interior looks more upmarket compared to the Z. - Great Video!
The new Nissan Z brings back memories of my Nissan 300ZX I bought new way back in 1990. It was the non-turbo version and was unique to North America because it didn't have a 'T' top and had cloth seats.
Love both of these cars and if I had infinite money I would have both but if I had to choose it’s gotta be the z . At first I wasn’t the biggest fan of how it looked ,but it really grew on me and now I love the way it looks.
@Justen G I totally get being burned by a car lol. I had a kia and I refuse to own another one. But yes, I would agree the b58 is possibly the best inline 6 turbo in production.
@@Mrpancake72 b58 is really amazing but not the best . The best inline 6 is the s58 that’s the dream engine that I hope a newer trim of the Supra will have .
You really can’t go wrong with either of them, they are both really great cars. Even the performance is so close that in a race between them the winner will simply be whoever is the better driver that day.
When it comes to looks I prefer the Z, there's just something about the new Supra I just can't get past. I've really liked earlier Supras I've owned a Mk2 and two Mk3s but for whatever reasons this new one doesn't appeal to me, honestly it doesn't even looks it was designed by Toyota at all. (Yes I know it a basically a BMW with a Supra lable.)
Toyota stabbed the hearts of every japanese sports car lover by dressing up a BMW as Supra, no no no , the supra design is everything an 80s kid ever dreamt of but everything else is BMW which comes with its own reliability issues, running repair, and value. Toyota should take back its supra and Japanise it as fast as possible!
Honestly all Toyota needed to do was slightly upgrade/improve on the Lexus ISF platform and the "MK5 Supra" would be a JDM banger. Sad to see them completely sellout by using a heritage name for profit whilst completely outsourcing manufacturing/design/production.
Your opinion in this segment means a whole lot because of your intimate knowledge of the Japanese sports car market. No doubt the Z will sell, but do you think its STYLING holds it back?
Very subjective. Some like the Supra’s styling, I don’t think it’s bad but I don’t think it’s good either, just looks weird honestly. I like the z styling much better. However, the 50k price tag for the performance trim which is what I want hurts for sure. Will wait a few years till they’re readily available and maybe even pick up a nismo version.
Everyone hate the new Supra for no reason. When the Supra A80 MK4 wasn't the only Supra(there were other Supras before the MK4 A80 , and those didn't have 2JZ engines), and wasn't well liked by the masses in the 1990s. Hence: Poor sales(of the A80) throughout the 1990s to very early 2000s while it was in dealerships.
As a Vette owner, depends what trim levels you want in the GS. Obviously a 3lt is going to set you back more than a 1lt trim wise. The Supra is the better choice between it and the Z, especially when it comes to resale values down the road. If you're someone who trades every 4 - 5 years, this is a no-brainer decision.
A friend of mine traded a C7 GrandSport for a Supra and then traded THAT for a C8. Best of the 3 was the Supra, by far. He has since traded the C8 as well. Other reviewers are putting the Z as more fun to drive than the Supra. I personally didn't like the Supra's windows-down buffeting problem.
I hate that nobody is talking about the gauge cluster not tilting with the steering wheel anymore. That was my favorite part of my 350. It was always perfectly in view. I’m not a huge fan of digital tacs tho. And they ditched the Hydraulic steering. All the best parts of a Z
I’m still a bit worried about the Nissan Twin Turbo motor, as I have had friends experience big power train issues in Q50’s and Q60’s. Hoping Nissan optimized it just a bit for reliability as I love this 400Z!
A minute or so in and the comment about getting into a Z for quite a bit cheaper…? Literally a $3k-5k tap at roughly the same trim levels….. Pricing in thumbnail is misleading as well. Why all the douchery?
The base model z not coming with an LSD would automatically rule it out for me. Can't wait to see some reviews to see how it compares around the road and the track to the other sports cars on the market.
It's a regurgitated 350Z with a price hike to $50k if you want the things EVERY Supra comes standard with. Even the 2.0 at $43k. Except the Supra isn't built on a 20 year old platform, has Brembo's, good tires, the Premium gets an Electronic Diff, not a mechanical one, and has upscale build quality and materials. For $5k more. So do the math lol. Oh, and in case you missed the drag race video.... the Supra destroys the Z.
If I was only going to own it for 3 years I would go with the BMW (I've owned two) but I tend to keep my cars for 5-6 years so it's the Z that I'm interested in.
The b58 while a bmw engine is incredibly reliable and most likely bmws best overall engine. Toyota made bmw tweak the engine to fit their standards and while is most likely is Toyotas least reliable car it’s probably more reliable than the brand new z. Toyota wouldn’t put out a car with traditional bmw reliability.
You say the supra has very soft features and is very rounded, but looking at the MK4 is also quite rounded. The front is a modern redesign of the MK4 front as well, so not sure why you said there wasn't much history in the design?
I think Nissan priced the Z a little too high for the performance model. I think it’s a hard sell when you can pay a few thousand more for the Supra. At $43-$45k the Z performance would sell all day.
Supra comes with 2 engine the I4 and I6 the Z comes with only V6 with more horsepower all throughout every trim the I4 cost 43k mind you and 55k for the I6
@@joestuehmer7967 Yeah, don't forget the dealer markups these cars will have. You will be getting in the Supra range with fees and everything. Just like when the Type R came out
The WRX desperately needs to add another 20 - 25 horsepower in order to compete with these cars. Back in 2002 the WRX had 227 hp and the Z had 286. Now the WRX has 271 and the Z has 400.
@@shawndejong6699 l agree with you. It’s sad. That 2.4 liter engine in the 2023 WRX can easily crank out 350+ horsepower. The fact that they won’t even give it 290 is insane. It’s like they want the Elantra N and Type R to outsell it.
@@cajunotaku3256 The EJ25? She's a little dated to say the least. The FE motors are decent but require better bottom ends (read: forged) to cover the durability side. I have my hopes that Subaru will do something fun with the BRZ, pushing that car to 335-350HP turbocharged would be an absolute RIOT.
@@shad3128 Performance wise the 370Z and WRX were pretty close. You just had the added benefit of a back seat. Different cars, same performance, likely heavily cross shopped by those that can afford them.
Also a point about MacPherson vs Double Wishbone. Generally, The latter is better. But modern MacPhersons are lighter unsprung weight and has proper camber gain in the range of shock travel. This is why all Porsche 911s (except the latest gt3) are MacPherson front, and heck the Caymans are MacPherson front AND rear. Double wishbone IS better, but not as much as one would think ;)
I think if aftermarket performance potential is an issue then hands down the supra. the fact that it is a bmw gives it a huge advantage. since bmw and the aftermarket has been developing the i6 turbo bmw motors for almost two decades now.
Depends how the other parts hold up. MK5 supra axles are shattering at only 600whp. And when those auto transmissions fail.... you may as well scrap the car.
14:28 Zupra is 3.8 sec 0-60 with full traction. Z is 4 sec 0-60 with spinning tires in 1st 2nd and 3rd .... cheap Bridgstone tires Zupra is .5 sec faster in the 1/4 mile UNTIL the Z gets better gripping tires ...
The Z has massive tuning potential too. They’re going to be drag strip monsters when people start modifying them. That merc 9 speed can handle some fairly serious power.
@@soapa4279 well considering that it spun 1st 2nd and 3rd and was ONLY .2 sec slower i will say you are wrong as well as many others that said the same thing. Wheel spin does kill time ....
Tires are def the Z weakness 0-60, after all the reviews I watched u stay seeing spin 1-3. The 300lbs argument means nothing with the numbers this close and lost traction.
It is slower. The bmw sourced i6 in the Supra is notoriously underrated and the Toyota is lighter. Combined with the insane ZF 8 speed the Z doesn’t stand a chance in a straight line. BUT, you can buy the Z with a manual. At this point that’s the really big deal about the Z.
The Z is cool but I prefer the Supra, I think it has a bit more of an exotic look to it. I really enjoy how clean the Z looks but its a bit too conservative to me, ironically I think that the exterior of the Z is very 'German looking'.
Z is gonna be a monster hit once they arrive at the dealers. Right now the few they have are the performance ones with a 5-10K mark up, supply??and DEMAND. Jan 2023
Only piece of info I am interested in. Do the twin turbo's on the Z feel like they went small for that instant low rpm boost and perhaps run out of breath at the top of the rev range. the 300zx very much went with tiny turbo's
@@Skizzy461 Will the "I would only buy the new Supra if it comes with a manual" put their money where their mouth is? P.S. I didn't hear any fussin' about the GT-R R35 Nissan having any Manual Transmission. Which the R35 is praised.
I still suspect the Supra b58 is going to be much stronger stock block sustainable big power vs a vr30 open deck likely requiring a serious engine build to make its open deck block stronger… as a grocery getter, sure the Z.
I'm bound to get some hate with this comment here. But the totally new GR Supra IS the modern day 240z, yes because of its silky smooth sweet sounding inline 6!!!! The biggest thing in those old Z's is that glorious i6 engine!! ....A synthetically enhanced Infinity red-sport V6 just doesn't cut it. As did the outgoing 370z V6, the most hated feature of the 370z was that dull boring sounding V6.
@@Mexxx65 LOL no the Zupra is a modern Supra, all the previous ones had an i6, Turbo, MK4 was a "twin turbo" but not really it was a sequential turbo set up, the only reason they went with BMW was to keep an i6 under the hood, if not they would've been like nissan as stiffed one of they TTV6's, but Nissan has had V6's since the 90's.
@@TheFK8Life duuuuhhhh it’s twin turbo honey. A stock New Z would be a good race is what I’m saying it’s heavier and the whp is somewhat close.Don’t ever try to explain bolt ons on the VR to me ever in your life I’ve been studying these motors since 2016. The B58 from BMW is more potent and has a larger aftermarket so that’s what I’m going with when I decide to go turbo. Again don’t ever in your life try to explain to me about the VR30DDTT and its capabilities.
@@TheFK8Life Didn’t mean to be rude but this is car talk and I know my limits what I can and can’t beat. The 17 red sport 400 made 336-346whp they may have had slight improvements since then and Nissan/Infiniti are always hush hush about minor improvements.
Why The Supra is Faster Than the Z: ruclips.net/video/k6OnkLKTvxw/видео.html
Frankly, why are these the affordable sports cars? No, the brz and miata are the only affordable sports cars. THESE are GT cars, NOT sports cars.
And your brz and miata are slow and lack styling sooo? Mehhh!
@@Phoenix_Core Because companies decided they can make more money selling more expensive products.
I appreciate that Nissan didn’t stick some huge display sticking out of the top of the dash. Kudos!
Yeah bro it's so tacky
Yeah agreed. It should be about focusing on the driving experience not watching a big screen tv while driving 🙅♂️
100% agree
If I was Nissan, I woulda taken a slightly different approach on pricing. I woulda thrown the LSD and the best brakes on EVERY car and then let everything else be a la carte enhancements. Upgraded leather, upgraded sound system, bigger set of wheels, etc. The only thing really missing on the base Z is the LSD. Make the base price $1000 higher and throw it in every car. Then you really are undercutting the Supra by $10K and they will fly off the shelves. If someone wants to upgrade the other stuff they can, but the basics are all there.
exactly well said
This would have made it way More competitive. For now I think the Supra with the manual option wins
Yup basically how m3s have always done , offer it on all trims
As a car enthusiast I agree. But I think 90% of people buying it wouldn’t care, much less know about, LSD. SO FROM MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, a grand lower without lsd makes sense.
I'd rather buy an aftermarket LSD. They're 100× better anyways. The stocker just becomes a paperweight. The base, I believe, is more for the racer minded. You always change LSD and brakes. So why pay for "better" OEM stuff that you're just going to replace?
As a Q50S owner the rebirth of the Z makes me excited for a more level playing field for upgrades to the VR30 engine.
As an A90 Owner i am so happy the Z is out. Would love to position myself to own both! Great cars , both of them. PICK YOUR WEAPON!
They're both very good. Slightly different buyer. Can't go wrong with either
Exactly. Hold on to the Supra, cause tests and videos has already been shown that the Supra is quicker/faster than the Z. Clearly.
The Z is just hype. So owning both is not bad.
@@charlesbakston7414 I’m planning on keeping it for now.
Nissan Z = Toyota 86 & Subaru BRZ.
@@danielfair4675 The Z is $10K above those in performance and power. In terms of driving pleasure, the twins are excellent at any price point.
I was kinda surprised how much I liked the looks of the base Z without the spoiler.
Right? Me too
The Supra has insane road presence. Everyone turns to look at it (like ir or not). I've grown to love the design. Z looks great too.
Because the supra looks like and is a real sports car, not a sports sedan. Subaru killed the STI I was saving for so Supra it is... imo, best looking sports car under 100k.
I'd definitely turn around to look only to cringe, but it must be a good car
@@heyaisdabomb ehh, ftype SVR is nice looking too
I said it looked like a bmw. With the big front end and small rear. I got into and saw the shifter. And lost complete interest.
Owner of a 2021 Supra and I daily it. Very much true, it is a eye catcher, even kids freak out seeing it.
I'm excited to see what the nismo trim is gonna be like
that 40k base Z is where its at. the aftermarket is going to have a field day with that version!!
yes they will. Z1 has had their hands on one for a while now. Z1 in Georgia turned my 370 into a little ripper.
the sport tri it doesnt come with a lsd so is pass for me, the supra and mustang come with one. Quite disappointment.
No lsd on the base sadly
@@jreyes2464 aftermarket lsd is probably better than the oem one anyway. I have a brz which comes with an lsd stock and it's a common track mod to swap out with an os giken lsd
@@RyZeN37 limited slip differential.
I really liked the comparison. Good video. But why do you write 40000$ in the Thumbnail if it‘s the 50000$ spec? Seems clickbaity to me, which I don‘t think you need. The videos are good enough!
I think he did that because the sport and performance technically have the same engine and power. It’s all the extra mechanical bells and whistles that obviously separate the two models, but essentially you can still get a 400hp Nissan Z for $40k. That’s my insight ...
Its so you click on the video.
@@baggerbro1726 3.0 vs 3.0 is the comparison. That’s why.
@@greenninjetti4851 That LSD makes a huge difference
@@mistamaog %100 . I’m going with the Performance
This is the best comparison video of the cars I have seen. I especially like the way you presented the instrument panel. Very nice. You get a good feel for actually sitting in one of the cars. Very informative and even handed.
I’m glad both Toyota and Nissan offer two great sports cars for consumers to choose and I think they are both closely matched in overall so it’s just matter of personal preference, can’t really go wrong with either one.
For me, I am leaning toward the Z because I can relate this car to the iconic Datsun 240Z of the 70s. The Z is also all Nissan and is less expensive than the Supra. I had the 1985 Toyota Supra bought new and drove it for 23 years and 290K dependable miles.
FYI as a Q50 owner and experience with the VR30 , this engine can get way more power with just bolt ons. So you open up the exhaust and add intakes and you can get a extra 150 hp or more with a good tune . So a Z with bolt on can easily be in the 500 hp or more. I got my q50 with the 300 hp VR and FBO and iam at 440 whp. Its a great engine if you know how to work on it, and this makes the z a great base platform .
That's amazing because when this Z came out I was sold. I am a huge fan of a 240z. So this car is like a dream come true. I'm selling my car as soon as i have the amount to buy that beast.
Is it worth all that extra work
@@stgrsa What extra work? For what? And my car I love it but it's an open deck. I'd have to do a CDC conversion to make power. Idk if I want to do that. I'm not sure.
The sport is such a good deal. Both cars look great. Love your Supra.
Yeah upgraded wheels, lsd, cat back, lowering springs, upgraded brake kit and a conservative tune would be still cheaper than 10k$
@@narennallapareddy2994 Can't get that leather no matter what performance mods you use lol
@@narennallapareddy2994 Ain't nobody doing all that fam.
@@GT-RTData9 obviously I am being hyperbolic to make a point. 10k$ is too much for what we get at performance grade, I think getting just lsd and tires is enough for 400 that’s basically 2-3k$ instead.
Supra is not Japanese anymore it's nzy BS that no one needs! Japan now is Z all the way! Great one!
$55k vs $50k....I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a "whole lot cheaper"
He said “get into” so 40k vs 55k. That is a big difference.
Z is starting at $40k and Supra is starting at $52 for the I6.
@@PoopDeckSwabber Not to mention that the manual is coming but its only for the I6
@@jjchockey If you insist on using this "get in to" criteria you must use the base prices for each, so it's $44k vs $40k.
@@ArmyMedicRN Get into with a turbo 6 cylinder... That is the 4cyl supra which is still more than the base Z.
Ok all we need is for Mazda to bring a proper RX-7
To me I still prefer the Supra because it looks sexier, has a straight six that's proven, Brembo brakes, adaptive suspension, a HUD, and a more refined interior with 2 cupholders. Plus a valved exhaust! Also no LSD in the Sport trim forces you to the higher trim to get one makes it a hard sell to me.
Till you roll the window down while driving…
@@internetselling an aftermarket very simple fix has been out there for years for the wind noise, very cheap as well!
I have a supra so im pretty biased but im glad the Z exists. Its not as good as they were claiming so far, but its still a great thing in my eyes. It seems like a sports car revival since theres healthy competition with toyotas GR corolla and this new z.
Im excited to see where this goes :)
@@internetselling people have found out how to fix that and it's a pretty cheap fix too. Surprising that toyota couldn't figure it out
My answer is, if your budget is $40k, get the Z and save up for a better LSD + wheels/brakes/tires that are better than what you get in the performance model.
If it's $50k+ get the Supra with its proven B58, refinement, esp when the manual comes out.
Honestly, performance model should have been $45k imo. For the upgrades you're getting, $10k is a very hefty price. $5k would have been a lot more reasonable. Also would have been a lot more compelling in comparison to the Supra.
When it comes to the looks, I think the biggest issue with the supra is that the shorter wheelbase kinda changes what we know as a supra. With the Z, they really paid attention to detail with the design and respected the Z heritage. Sure the FT-1 was a cool concept but it loses some character when they had to follow regulations to make it production ready.
A90 supra, with the short wheelbase and compact figure, is made for California canyons and track duty. The Z is more like the A80 supra as a GT sports car, made for daily driving and gran touring purposes.
I think once you try to take the Z to its limits with downforce and track oriented parts, its flaws will start to show whereas the A90 supra shines at its limits.
@@dAbaPEsTA123 Not sure about that. The Z already wins when it comes to suspension(double wishbone front) and bigger brakes.
And by respected the z heritage you mean just used the same 20 year old chassis I guess
@@Gr1MM240 I was clearly talking about it in terms of looks and design but I get that you're dumb. I mean if you're going there, they have completley dishonored the heritage by using an infinity sedan engine.
@@Kevhoe Suspension and brakes are easily replaced with better parts. The geometry and chassis are hard to replace. For one, the A90 wheelbase is leagues ahead of the Z.
You've come a long way since the SLK days, good review my friend!
The Supra is underrated in its HP by alot. So much so that it can't be left out of reviews.. Its been tested and proved several times before.
This was what I thought too. Toyota has a tendency to understate the HP numbers. A GR86 dynos at 250 HP and not 230 HP. I would guess a Supra dynos at 400
Time will tell if the Z is underrated as well....
With under 1k in mods and a tune, you can easily make 500hp +. It's a great platform, and that engine note with the right exhaust... Jesus good lord.
Review doesn’t give anymore info than what a layperson would say about these two cars. Performance - same. Ride quality -same.
Price of Z as tested is $50k, not the $40k as you keep saying.
Agree, but for 40K you still get same power, just smaller tires and no LSD which is a shame. Not sure that the performance package is worth and extra 10K, but you know, that's what most enthusiasts are going to buy.
Even the Performance is $5k cheaper and comes with a better interior, manual and it's not a Z4 on the inside.
Because this video is shite, or he is very very biased. A "wash" between the interiors? Really, the Z has door panels and switches carried directly over from the 370z which was already at 12 year old car. The Toyota interior is literally a BMW, a company known for making some of the best interiors atm.
@@yasiona2946 yea this guy is a joke. I unsubscribed from his channel. He made a channel off of the MKV Supra launch and is now needing to increase his views and subs so moving onto the new Z. You lose credibility by comparing the Z and Supra interiors. One is a BMW and the other is a 15 year old 350/370Z Nissan interior as you said. Complete joke of a channel and review.
Good review @RevMatchTV, for street driving, what I want to know… is the performance trim level with its limited slip noticeably better?
The Z is exciting! I love what I’m hearing about it. Sounds driver-focused and satisfying to drive, which I look forward to doing! The Supra, to me, is too much of a compromise that leaves me short of really wanting one. Although the BMW (underrated) powertrain is not necessarily a bad thing, the design compromises to fit on the Z4 platform is where I lose any “want” that might have been there. Look forward to experiencing and perhaps buying a new Z!
I wish Nissan would have called it the 400 Z.
And it's a Genuine Z
The Supra also has a few annoying issues like the buffeting when you open the windows. Minor annoyances that can be fixed but the Z is fine from the factory.
Well, calling it a 400Z wouldn't make sense. The number was indicative of engine size. For example 350Z = 3.5L, 370Z = 3.7L, etc. A 400Z would suggest it's a 4.0L, but it isn't.
If you drive the Z4 and Supra back to back, it is a night and day difference when pushing the cars hard.
@@mr.m2137 that’s interesting and something I have not heard.
Z for the easy win "we're going over to Germany here" says it all.
wow...that Z is amazing and may be the last of the pure Japanese sports cars.
Miata, gr86, brz still exist
@@HollowM2 I should have known that, I drive a Miata! :-) The BRZ/86 definitely hit the mark. I just hope they stick around! The world needs these machines. I grew up staring at supras and 300ZXs in showrooms but could never afford them.
@@HollowM2 and a Prius is almost as fast as them. Hard pass…
@@JacesOwnWorld it’s about driving experience/ fun lol
@@JacesOwnWorld clearly not a car fan.
The supra was always the rival against the skyline and GTR R35. It never was the rival to the Z car.......
No, the last Supra wasnt even in production when the R35 came out, lol. The Supra, 300z, 3000GT, and RX-7 were all competitors.
@@EK-rr2mdThe R34 was in production with the supra as both ended production in the year of 2002.. Now Yes Toyota did indeed compete with the 300zx. Butt Toyota did not continue with the supra after 02.. after 2002 as we all know the 350z and then the 370z were both produced until 2021 for the 370.. Now it wasn't until 2019 when the Toyota mk5 came out for them to hit the game late but did have a running start although By this time the R35 was Ruling the jdm world since 08 and on leaving Toyota in the dust at gapplbees.
Supra wins imo. You left out some premium features in the Supra that are missing in the Z, like full leather seating on the premium, HUD, and upgraded climate controls. You’re right about the 40k Z being a good deal but the performance model at 50k loses that appeal.
Supra Premium does have some more features. Overall it’s the classic price vs performance dynamic so well played out with the Corvette and now with these two.
Good luck finding a dealership that’s selling either of them at or near MSRP. 😂
@@dauntae24 no kidding
@@dauntae24 supras are being sold at msrp everyday
@@TerrannotOP specifically at what dealership?
I go for supra
Absolutely love the side profile on the Z and the back looks awesome, would definitely keep the original look if I got my hands on it.
The Supra however, looks great too, but I’d be much more tempted to add many things to it like a spoiler and some body parts
Been waiting for this 👍🏾
Enjoy!
Bx all day !
Hey dude. I owned a 1970 240 Z back in the day. Wish I still had it. Would definitely buy the Sport at 40k. The styling is similar to the 240 and makes me want pick one up at 40k.
Great video! When pricing was announced for the new Z I thought the $40k base makes a lot of sense, but the PERFORMANCE version seems like a tougher sell at $50k...Not when compared to the Supra, but on paper it's tough to beat the Mustang GT!
The Mustang weighs about the same, will give you about 70 more hp, has all the performance goodies, and will cost 5 grand or so less than the Z performance.
The Mustang GT is about $37K and the Camaro LT1 about $35 for mid 400hp.
Yeah Camaro is the best value sports car.
I agree with you, I think Nissan missed the mark on the pricing for the performance trim. 50k is still a lot of money, and we're not even talking about the elephant in the garage: the markups that consumers are going to see on this supremely hyped release. They have priced me out of a potential purchase, I'm glad I picked up a 370z with sub 12k miles.
Maybe I'll look for a low mileage used performance trim in 3 years.
@@revmatchtv - Mustang GT cars are selling over $50 MSRP if swiped as Premium models and that’s without the Performance Pack. You can get a base GT with cloth seats and base audio and no options for mid $40’s. Pricing is high these days. Plus a GT drives like a big boat compared to a Supra or BRZ.
@@TheFK8Life those aren’t free either. Bolt-ons and tune will cost you thousands of dollars on top of the 40-50k starting price.
The B58 is all BMW. Toyota and everyone that understands engines will agree that this is currently the best 6 cylinder engine.
Toyota Fans:
1: OMG this is not a real Supra (Lie). It sells at official Toyota dealers.
2: Engine is only reliable because Toyota worked on it somehow (Lie) BMW has been making inline 6 since you was born. Always been reliable with OEM parts and regular maintenance schedules. Toyota had nothing to do with it.
3: This car is great. I will buy if it had a manual. (Lie) Manual version is coming. Where is your reservation?
4. 2jz is better. (Lie) B58 is better than 2jz at absolutely everything up to 1100hp. 2jz block makes sense for 1500+hp which few will make.
Again Toyota had nothing to do with development of this engine. They didn’t even bother making their own interior. Welcome to BMW land. It is a great car. Definitely a worthy successor to Mark 4. Rumor is that BMW/Toyota will put s58 engine next.
How are you qualifying that?
@@hamsterbrigade It's a fact
@@user-dr4iu8mg5u says WHO?
It's a good engine but it still has BMW reliability.
@@electrikoptik that is great because BMW Inline 6 have been reliable for 20+ years. It was good on the e36, e46, e90, etc. I easily got 200k miles with regular maintenance and no aftermarket parts. Stay away from BMW V8 and dealers.
I love both, but the the $39,990 is for the "meh" Z that has open diff, 245mm tires and brakes outta the maxima is just misleading. The $50k Z is the proper sport car IMHO.
The Sport is essentially the tuners option. Those are all things that tuners will swap out. I think it would be dope if Nissan offered an optional LSD... or I would say for 2024 increase the base price to $42k and just make the LSD standard.
@@bigd7386 I was going to say the same thing lol
@@bigd7386 Exactly. I planned to mod my Z from the start anyways, so the base is the perfect option.
@@bigd7386 It's weird to make a sports car without LSD nowadays. Turbos are just too much for a sports car without one.
You can take that 10k you save by getting the base and get yourself a LSD, brakes, wheels and tires and outperform both the Performance Z and the Supra.
So grateful I went ahead and pulled the triggered and purchased my '22 GR Supra!!! No comparison.
Did they charge a mark up fee ?
The mark up is $9000
I just got rid of my 2020 wrx sti for the 2022 Supra 3.0 premium and that mark up is ridiculous but idk a lot of ppl hate the bmw and Toyota I don’t care at the end of the day it’s what you want who cares what ppl think
Okay. So reason why he said 40k and showed you a 50k z. Was to give you the difference that you will miss when not getting the 50k. Which personally don’t mind.
10k mods will make the Z stand out like the supra
Base trim doesn’t come with LSD only the top trim does nor does it come with the better brakes and suspension . So your telling me you will go out and buy an base model to go void warranty just to get the feature the performance version has ? And mod for mod the VR30 doesn’t make the same power reliably as the B58 found in the Supra.
@@groundhabit6408 pretty sure it can do 600-700whp. For the warranty, well that the price it of it.
@@z32twinturbo13 Modding the Z will be a lot more expensive than the Supra. You will need to spend at least 6 grand to be able to be in the 600s. And that's assuming you are doing the job yourself
@@j.a.3138 won’t be more expensive. Since the motor already been out for more then 5 years. The aftermarket section is great. And with E85 hitting 600 isn’t hard at all.
There is a Supra in the parking lot at work. In person, I definitely follows current design language of too many lines, angles, swoops, and such. I just cannot bring myself to like it. The Z however looks clean, muscular, and not really retro but it clearly states where it came from magnificently.
Definitely subjective but the z just makes the most since between the two for your money both are nice especially When the Supra gets it’s manual next year.
+ th Z is the REAL jdm..."supra" is a fraud.
@@richardsanders3750 and your Z is basically a scooped up 350/370z. Can’t have it all can we?
@@richardsanders3750 So in your logic, let's call the MK2 A60 Supra, a Lotus Excel instead
@@v8_sami if ur ok with BMW doing toyotas homework...🤷🏾♂️.
@@charlesbakston7414 IMHO I rather have a PURE jdm despite the "so called" Z imperfections...
The b58 is a closed deck block. Not sure about the Z. Which motor will be more reliable and which one can take more power once modded?
THE Z is definitely more reliable...
Everyone’s comments suggest the b58 is the better engine, but don’t mod it. Except I feel like everyone who buys these cars wants to mod them, I know I do
I've read in articles that Toyota tested the B58 up to 700hp.
@@overthere5815 there’s a guy pushing 800 wheel horsepower out of a stock block Supra obviously the only major thing he had to upgrade to hood that power was upgrade the transmission and swapped his axles
Why does the thumbnail pricing show the up trim Supra vs the entry level Nissan. Clickbait…thumbs down from me.
While it is is misleading at least you can get the top engine for that price
With sales tax and dealer fees that 40000 is gonna be 50000 if that makes it better
@@jeffwolfe4058 the number for the Supra will grow as well 😖
Base spec is the tuner spec. Put all the mods with the extra 10k
No lsd for base
The Z interior looks way less claustrophobic.
I'm amazed the Supra sold at all with that disgustingly generic and unoriginal interior that can be found on any entry level BMW.
The Z Sport Trim $41015 haven’t Limited-Slip Differential and not Big Break Calipers , also the front Bunper and the lights are very ugly to me
I'll take the Z. I just can't see myself paying a BMW price for a Toyota badge with BMW reliability.
Also b58 is more reliable than vr30
@@bman1668 B58 is relatively reliable, but just like the VR30dtt, it has issues too. I've read plenty of threads calling out waste-gate and valve cover issues. Not to mention the fact that BMW is well-known for building high-tech money pits, while Nissans sports cars are pretty much bullet-proof.
@@UMPride9NCs what b58? First gen ? 2nd ? From bmw or Supra? Because I assure u all those issues was fixed when Toyota reworked on the b58 from Supra . There are different versions of b58 and Supra has the latest and the best b58 now vr30 hasn’t been reworked by Nissan because Nissan is broke and cheap
@@bman1668 You sound a little upset there, fanboy 🤔. The VR30 is a great and reliable engine. I get that youre triggered af that everyone keeps making fun of the Zupra, but you've got me lmao over here as you desperately try to convince us that BMWs are more reliable than Nissans 😂😂😂
@@trumplordnpc2417 for sure it’s more reliable
lsd and bose n leather n suede... the base 370z had it all. now I gota spend over 60K for a base Z CAD$ forget that, lexus, bmw, benz, audi here I come
The worst part is that only one of these two is still Japanese. I have owned several Z cars as well as several real Supra’s. The A90 IMO is a complete travesty to the name Supra. Love the new Z and If they make it in a roadster I will buy one for my wife.
I honestly think both cars seem great. Own an A90 Supra right now and previously owned a 370Z. Supra is light years better than the 370 was, but I’ll have to wait to drive the new Z. I do think there is a lot of BMW collaboration haters out there though who haven’t driven the new Supra. I’m excited to see the Z relevant again, I also don’t really see how it “feels more Japanese.” Haters gonna hate.
Yeah don’t know why people care. BMW is not a bad thing. I love my 370z.
I totaled my '17 Z and my settlement payout was good enough to get me the Supra. But I wanted to wait for the new Z to come out and I'm glad I waited. I will be getting one if I ever get a chance. I told all my Nissan dealers that I will be paying it in full so I could have a better chance to own one when they get one.
@@bjornironsides6474 you've never owned a BMW outside of warranty. Good lord is BMW a very, very bad thing.
@@stgrsa I’ll take your word for it. I don’t see any German cars in my future.
@@bjornironsides6474 I owned a BMW and traded it for an Infiniti after my BMW maintenance guy told me "I love these cars but I wouldn't own one without a warranty".
It's a good face-lift of the 370 and with the turbos built in is better for California where it is illegal to modify your car. I think I like the Z more for the interior space, but I think the previous Gen 370 would be fine for a more affordable option.
It's much more than a face lift, see technical details in Savagegeeses video
You cannot modify you vehicle in California? What a crappy state, it just gets worse the more I hear about it.
@@akajonesy4388 I'm glad. Tired of the market being flooded with shitty vehicles that have been riced beyond belief by people who had no idea what they were doing. The engineers for the manufacturers knew what they were doing. Just leave your cars alone.
@@akajonesy4388 it’s not illegal though… I don’t know wtf he’s talking about
@@roaringlionzofficial No.
Z fan boy love.
Frame old.
Engine old.
Heavy like 370. 3,500+
I think Nissan did the minimum to develop. Just an update to 370. Still might be nice but not ground breaking.
Supera
3,200 to 3,400.
Solid BMW engine.
Car looks hot in person.
Tough look.
Both the VR30 and the B58 engines came out around 2015/2016.
Yes the Z is a bit heavier but it's not drastically heavy in comparison to other sports cars in the same price range. For 10k less than the 3.0 Supra you get essentially a really close competitor and both engines take mods very well
How is the Supra groundbreaking?
I'm glad that Toyota and Nissan revived Supra & Z! I felt bad for Subaru and Mitsubishi. Good thing Honda still does Civic and Mazda still does MX-5 Miata and RX-7.
Mazda discontinued the RX-7 in ‘02 they are bringing the RX-9 but I heard it’s going to be a hybrid or EV not a fan of that but seems like the younger generation loves EVs
@@saulescamilla3605 Cause natural gas are depleting
@@ChrisTian-sd5yq no it ain’t there’s so much oil and natural gas in the earth to the point we can go an extra 200 years with it. Don’t believe the media I know real people that work in oil refineries that told me this.
Tesla has a contract with the US government and he has the patent to make EVs
Great video
I think the Supra looks way cooler than the Z. It is lighter, as fast and you have a wide range of parts available to make it yours. Even the Interior looks more upmarket compared to the Z. - Great Video!
The Z platform has more aftermarket support then the Supra. Lol
The new Nissan Z brings back memories of my Nissan 300ZX I bought new way back in 1990. It was the non-turbo version and was unique to North America because it didn't have a 'T' top and had cloth seats.
Love both of these cars and if I had infinite money I would have both but if I had to choose it’s gotta be the z . At first I wasn’t the biggest fan of how it looked ,but it really grew on me and now I love the way it looks.
@Justen G yes I will take the slower z with a manual but imo the new z is plenty capable enough judging from every car journalist review of the car.
@Justen G dang that sucks for you I had a q60 and worked good for me until I sold it😂
@Justen G I totally get being burned by a car lol. I had a kia and I refuse to own another one.
But yes, I would agree the b58 is possibly the best inline 6 turbo in production.
@@Mrpancake72 b58 is really amazing but not the best . The best inline 6 is the s58 that’s the dream engine that I hope a newer trim of the Supra will have .
@Justen G blown turbos here at 16k miles 🤣 2017 q50 3.0t
Great video.....
Z all day.
You really can’t go wrong with either of them, they are both really great cars. Even the performance is so close that in a race between them the winner will simply be whoever is the better driver that day.
Nope. Already been proven. Supra is faster.
@@MizzouRah78 yes! Supra owner here
9:20 wow 14.7 mpg that fuel mileage is terrible, possibly because reviewers get these and floor it.
Definitely near V8 territory
don't think that 14.7 mpg is under normal driving 😅
fantastic review!
When it comes to looks I prefer the Z, there's just something about the new Supra I just can't get past.
I've really liked earlier Supras I've owned a Mk2 and two Mk3s but for whatever reasons this new one doesn't appeal to me, honestly it doesn't even looks it was designed by Toyota at all. (Yes I know it a basically a BMW with a Supra lable.)
Seriously no one cares
@@2419galaxyfan
I care.
And you cared enough to share your worthless comment.
Toyota stabbed the hearts of every japanese sports car lover by dressing up a BMW as Supra, no no no , the supra design is everything an 80s kid ever dreamt of but everything else is BMW which comes with its own reliability issues, running repair, and value. Toyota should take back its supra and Japanise it as fast as possible!
Honestly all Toyota needed to do was slightly upgrade/improve on the Lexus ISF platform and the "MK5 Supra" would be a JDM banger. Sad to see them completely sellout by using a heritage name for profit whilst completely outsourcing manufacturing/design/production.
Great to see these side by side!
Well done on this video review. Subscribed
Your opinion in this segment means a whole lot because of your intimate knowledge of the Japanese sports car market. No doubt the Z will sell, but do you think its STYLING holds it back?
Nope. Think most either like the styling or are indifferent.
Very subjective. Some like the Supra’s styling, I don’t think it’s bad but I don’t think it’s good either, just looks weird honestly. I like the z styling much better. However, the 50k price tag for the performance trim which is what I want hurts for sure. Will wait a few years till they’re readily available and maybe even pick up a nismo version.
Everyone hate the new Supra for no reason. When the Supra A80 MK4 wasn't the only Supra(there were other Supras before the MK4 A80 , and those didn't have 2JZ engines), and wasn't well liked by the masses in the 1990s. Hence: Poor sales(of the A80) throughout the 1990s to very early 2000s while it was in dealerships.
These two are definitely great cars and great bang for buck. How would a used C7 GrandSport compare to these two? The better buy?
As a Vette owner, depends what trim levels you want in the GS. Obviously a 3lt is going to set you back more than a 1lt trim wise.
The Supra is the better choice between it and the Z, especially when it comes to resale values down the road. If you're someone who trades every 4 - 5 years, this is a no-brainer decision.
A friend of mine traded a C7 GrandSport for a Supra and then traded THAT for a C8. Best of the 3 was the Supra, by far. He has since traded the C8 as well.
Other reviewers are putting the Z as more fun to drive than the Supra. I personally didn't like the Supra's windows-down buffeting problem.
@@suserman7775 the buffeting is annoying and something that should have been addressed by manufacturer but it’s a very simple fix
I hate that nobody is talking about the gauge cluster not tilting with the steering wheel anymore. That was my favorite part of my 350. It was always perfectly in view. I’m not a huge fan of digital tacs tho. And they ditched the Hydraulic steering. All the best parts of a Z
The gauge cluster is very easy to see from any driver position. It’s very bright and configurable.
I’m still a bit worried about the Nissan Twin Turbo motor, as I have had friends experience big power train issues in Q50’s and Q60’s. Hoping Nissan optimized it just a bit for reliability as I love this 400Z!
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Great review
A minute or so in and the comment about getting into a Z for quite a bit cheaper…? Literally a $3k-5k tap at roughly the same trim levels….. Pricing in thumbnail is misleading as well. Why all the douchery?
The base model z not coming with an LSD would automatically rule it out for me. Can't wait to see some reviews to see how it compares around the road and the track to the other sports cars on the market.
Yeah… would love to see a Sport Plus or middle trim with LSD and brakes. Maybe in a couple years. They need to keep it fresh.
It's a regurgitated 350Z with a price hike to $50k if you want the things EVERY Supra comes standard with. Even the 2.0 at $43k.
Except the Supra isn't built on a 20 year old platform, has Brembo's, good tires, the Premium gets an Electronic Diff, not a mechanical one, and has upscale build quality and materials. For $5k more. So do the math lol.
Oh, and in case you missed the drag race video.... the Supra destroys the Z.
Great review, quick question the 9 speed Auto in the new Z is it a ZF unit or Jatco-Mercedes unit like the Q60?
Auto is Merc 9g-tronic. Manual is Jatco
If I was only going to own it for 3 years I would go with the BMW (I've owned two) but I tend to keep my cars for 5-6 years so it's the Z that I'm interested in.
The b58 while a bmw engine is incredibly reliable and most likely bmws best overall engine. Toyota made bmw tweak the engine to fit their standards and while is most likely is Toyotas least reliable car it’s probably more reliable than the brand new z. Toyota wouldn’t put out a car with traditional bmw reliability.
Robert, You'll still lose when re-sale value comes.
You say the supra has very soft features and is very rounded, but looking at the MK4 is also quite rounded. The front is a modern redesign of the MK4 front as well, so not sure why you said there wasn't much history in the design?
I think Nissan priced the Z a little too high for the performance model. I think it’s a hard sell when you can pay a few thousand more for the Supra. At $43-$45k the Z performance would sell all day.
40k is not high for a 400hp twin turbo car that looks as good as it does
@@joestuehmer7967 let them hate , depreciation will make this a dream in 2 years
$40k for a base Z is actually a really good deal compared to everything else priced at the same bracket.
Supra comes with 2 engine the I4 and I6 the Z comes with only V6 with more horsepower all throughout every trim the I4 cost 43k mind you and 55k for the I6
@@joestuehmer7967 Yeah, don't forget the dealer markups these cars will have. You will be getting in the Supra range with fees and everything. Just like when the Type R came out
Cant wait to see this with a tune. Btw any info of topless model?
The WRX desperately needs to add another 20 - 25 horsepower in order to compete with these cars. Back in 2002 the WRX had 227 hp and the Z had 286. Now the WRX has 271 and the Z has 400.
I think Subaru is giving up on competing in the sports car space. They've axed the STi and will likely never push the WRX beyond 275hp.
@@shawndejong6699 l agree with you. It’s sad. That 2.4 liter engine in the 2023 WRX can easily crank out 350+ horsepower. The fact that they won’t even give it 290 is insane. It’s like they want the Elantra N and Type R to outsell it.
@@cajunotaku3256 The EJ25? She's a little dated to say the least. The FE motors are decent but require better bottom ends (read: forged) to cover the durability side. I have my hopes that Subaru will do something fun with the BRZ, pushing that car to 335-350HP turbocharged would be an absolute RIOT.
The wrx is a compact all purpoae sedan brother not a sports coupe. Wrong segment lo l
@@shad3128 Performance wise the 370Z and WRX were pretty close. You just had the added benefit of a back seat. Different cars, same performance, likely heavily cross shopped by those that can afford them.
after market springs snd exhaust and a tune and he's still fkn comparing. bs
Also a point about MacPherson vs Double Wishbone. Generally, The latter is better. But modern MacPhersons are lighter unsprung weight and has proper camber gain in the range of shock travel. This is why all Porsche 911s (except the latest gt3) are MacPherson front, and heck the Caymans are MacPherson front AND rear. Double wishbone IS better, but not as much as one would think ;)
I think if aftermarket performance potential is an issue then hands down the supra. the fact that it is a bmw gives it a huge advantage. since bmw and the aftermarket has been developing the i6 turbo bmw motors for almost two decades now.
Depends how the other parts hold up. MK5 supra axles are shattering at only 600whp. And when those auto transmissions fail.... you may as well scrap the car.
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Zupra is 3.8 sec 0-60 with full traction.
Z is 4 sec 0-60 with spinning tires in 1st 2nd and 3rd .... cheap Bridgstone tires
Zupra is .5 sec faster in the 1/4 mile UNTIL the Z gets better gripping tires ...
Huh?
Redline did 0-60 in 4.0x seconds with a passenger in the automatic
The Z has massive tuning potential too. They’re going to be drag strip monsters when people start modifying them. That merc 9 speed can handle some fairly serious power.
Tires isn’t going to overcome a 300lb disadvantage.
@@soapa4279 well considering that it spun 1st 2nd and 3rd and was ONLY .2 sec slower i will say you are wrong as well as many others that said the same thing.
Wheel spin does kill time ....
Tires are def the Z weakness 0-60, after all the reviews I watched u stay seeing spin 1-3. The 300lbs argument means nothing with the numbers this close and lost traction.
I would be ok playing the extra for the Supra mainly because you would be getting a much better quality and looking interior
If price was closer would be harder to pick. So in this case I would say 60% Z 40% Supra out of 100%
I’ve seen a video with the nismo exhaust option and will that be available right when the car comes out or are we going to have to wait a while
Not sure, but I believe it will be a dealer option.
Even if the Z was a little slower, I would still take the nissan...
It is slower. The bmw sourced i6 in the Supra is notoriously underrated and the Toyota is lighter. Combined with the insane ZF 8 speed the Z doesn’t stand a chance in a straight line. BUT, you can buy the Z with a manual. At this point that’s the really big deal about the Z.
Same, being slower isn't deal breaker and it is only slightly
What dealership did you borrow the Nissan from? I live in North County SD.
The Z is cool but I prefer the Supra, I think it has a bit more of an exotic look to it. I really enjoy how clean the Z looks but its a bit too conservative to me, ironically I think that the exterior of the Z is very 'German looking'.
Z is gonna be a monster hit once they arrive at the dealers. Right now the few they have are the performance ones with a 5-10K mark up, supply??and DEMAND. Jan 2023
As a Supra owner I like the retro style of the new Z. But all in all I love my bmw Supra.
No regrets here either. Glad all these cars are back.
Only piece of info I am interested in. Do the twin turbo's on the Z feel like they went small for that instant low rpm boost and perhaps run out of breath at the top of the rev range. the 300zx very much went with tiny turbo's
Yes.
I'd take the Z. Great power and manual trans. All Japanese for me.
Supra is manual next year!
@@Skizzy461 Will the "I would only buy the new Supra if it comes with a manual" put their money where their mouth is?
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I didn't hear any fussin' about the GT-R R35 Nissan having any Manual Transmission. Which the R35 is praised.
@@charlesbakston7414 I think if the Supra was a rebadged RCF or LC500 with paddles, people would complain but appreciate what it is later
@@charlesbakston7414 gtr is a whole different monster don’t get that confused boy
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I still suspect the Supra b58 is going to be much stronger stock block sustainable big power vs a vr30 open deck likely requiring a serious engine build to make its open deck block stronger… as a grocery getter, sure the Z.
The stock block 3.0 VRs are putting up some quite large numbers up lately
Since 1989, I have been a TOYOTA FAN, SINCE I OWNED AN '89 Pick-Up Truck...
'89 Toyota Standard Bed, 4 speed manual Transmission... It was a Truck I drove to 370,000 before selling it for a Toyota 4X4 X-CAB V-6 Pick-Up...
It would've been nice for it to have an i6 like the old school Z's.
I'm bound to get some hate with this comment here.
But the totally new GR Supra IS the modern day 240z, yes because of its silky smooth sweet sounding inline 6!!!! The biggest thing in those old Z's is that glorious i6 engine!! ....A synthetically enhanced Infinity red-sport V6 just doesn't cut it. As did the outgoing 370z V6, the most hated feature of the 370z was that dull boring sounding V6.
@@Mexxx65 you're not though, i6 engine and still has the classic sports car layout, long hood short rear deck.
@@Mexxx65 LOL no the Zupra is a modern Supra, all the previous ones had an i6, Turbo, MK4 was a "twin turbo" but not really it was a sequential turbo set up, the only reason they went with BMW was to keep an i6 under the hood, if not they would've been like nissan as stiffed one of they TTV6's, but Nissan has had V6's since the 90's.
Just wondering what year they’ll release the nismo version of the 400 Z? And how much you think it will cost?
Given that the Premium is $51K+ you can work your way north of that.
I'll take the one with Japanese DNA!
That’s both of them, both also have german dna, “NiSmOTeCh”
@@TerrannotOP ok, the one with the MOST Japanese DNA!
@@nismotech I think that's pretty petty and fanboy. I'd be willing to bet you'd take the Z even if they teamed with another manufacturer...
Japanese dna is not as good as it use to be.
I have a cammed 360whp 370z I cant wait to have a run in with the new VR Z.
Sounds fast yet reliable...
@@TheFK8Life duuuuhhhh it’s twin turbo honey. A stock New Z would be a good race is what I’m saying it’s heavier and the whp is somewhat close.Don’t ever try to explain bolt ons on the VR to me ever in your life I’ve been studying these motors since 2016. The B58 from BMW is more potent and has a larger aftermarket so that’s what I’m going with when I decide to go turbo. Again don’t ever in your life try to explain to me about the VR30DDTT and its capabilities.
@@TheFK8Life Didn’t mean to be rude but this is car talk and I know my limits what I can and can’t beat. The 17 red sport 400 made 336-346whp they may have had slight improvements since then and Nissan/Infiniti are always hush hush about minor improvements.
The Z looks way better IMO. Supra looks like a remote control toy but not in a good way.
Yet the new supra has more HP than the z & much lighter. Don't let the numbers fool you.