I mean, Vegito blue was said to possibly surpass Beerus by supreme kai. Then v-jump straight up confirmed that Vegito Blue was as strong as Beerus. So yeah, in manga he was Beerus level of power. I will say though due to time limit he probably loses still. If there was no time limit though hed have a serious arguemnt for winning due to kaoiken being in his back pocket.
Nah, that was straight up debunked by Goku getting a fusion level amp in the same saga. Before you say Vegito Blue >>> Fused Zamasu, Fused Zamasu wasn’t corrupting against Vegito Blue while he started corrupting against PSSJB Goku which debunks Vegito Blue = Beerus.
@SonZackSSJ9k BASE Vegito was stronger than Zamasu, he literally obliterated his body with a single blast BEFORE eating the senzu bean. Zamasu doesn't corrupt in the manga, and if you're refering to when they start to separate, that's because Zamasu ran in a timer in the manga.
@ He was never stronger than Zamasu more in the anime or Manga, what your using as an argument was Zamasu getting caught offgaurd so that’s not at all a valid feat. He literally does get partially corrupted against PSSJB Goku, if you read that fight, you can see the purple shit when Fused Zamasu was frustrated against Goku.
@@SonZackSSJ9k Zamasu was not off guard, he was looking directly and charging an attack. Base Vegito being stronger is consistent with Gogeta performing better agianst Broly than both blues. Those purple bubbles are how his regen looks in the manga, not any corruption. Perfected blue Goku didn't get any stronger, he just sealed the power loss, as seen when blue Vegeta eviscerated two Zamasus with one attack (because he was stronger as he had been training while Goku learnt mafuba).
@ Yes the fuck he was, are we reading the same manga? he didn’t even see Vegito until he revealed himself? Why else would they be purple specifically? Why are they bubbles at all? And can you prove this is a sign of his regen when he’s literally angered in that same panel and then some? Perfected Blue Goku Got WAAAY stronger, he was literally able to get Zamasu in a desperate mood compared to what Vegito did in the anime or Manga, and those Zamasu’s weren’t at all the same ones they’ve been fighting, they were mutations due to a molecular reaction via fusing with the same spirit.
Beerus should still be a lot stronger than any of the fusions. The divine scale of 7 (SSG Goku) 10 (Beerus) and 15 (Whis) is a logarithmic scale, not a linear one. Otherwise, powering up will immediately put Goku, and characters that can transform above even Whis. At the last chapter of the manga, the power scale in divine terms is probably this: Goku MUI (7.42), Vegeta UE (7.42), SS Broly (7.42), Gohan Beast (7.425) Freeza Black (7.43), Vegito Blue (7.5). In linear terms, the number comparison should be astronomical between Goku MUI and Freeza Black, even though in divine scale its a mere .01. Beerus has 10 so he should be able to comfortably one-shot everyone in the 7 scale.
@@viddslol6078 It's an approximation based from the interview with Akira Toriyama a long time ago on how Goku, Beerus and Whis compare to each other in terms of power, which he said they're 7, 10 and, 15 respectively. And also the current prevailing narrative in the manga that Goku and Vegeta are nowhere near Beerus' level but, he (Beerus) did acknowledge that they are inching closer. I simply used that scale instead of using "quadrillions of times stronger than base", etc.
The base fusions should already be stronger than both of the user’s strongest forms. It doesn’t make sense for Base Vegito to be weaker than SSG Goku/Vegeta and SSB Goku/Vegeta. Vegito and Gogeta were retconned to be equally matched trump cards, as in the multiplier for potara and fusion are both equal.
The biggest problem with saying that Vegito Blue surpasses Beerus is that its really inconsistent. The anime and manga are closely tied together so while they may be different in some ways they aren't drastically different stories as they follow the same events by the end. Shin doesn't know what he's talking about sometimes. In the Buu Saga he thought the Saiyans would have trouble with Babadi's henchmen and then with Dabura he is surprised by how strong they are. But he was correct with Buu. In the anime he doesn't even know what Ultra Instinct is and in said anime states Jiren is above anyone they've ever faced including Vegito Blue and Infinite Zamasu. I know this is the anime scaling but the manga is not completely different as they relatively follow similar events. Hell Goku in the TOP becomes far stronger than Vegito Blue thanks to the amount of zenkai's he got pushing Jiren harder than Belmod has seen in a long time and his attacks outright being stated by Goku to be the strongest thing he's ever felt including the attack that would have killed Goku if it had hit him in Ultra Instinct Omen phase 2 trigger because it barely scrapped him so he knows how powerful that attack is. The point I'm trying to make is that if we took Shin's statement at face value it just wouldn't make any sense because Goku gets ridiculously stronger through every arc and if Black Frieza is still not stronger than Beerus it just means that Shin didn't know how strong Beerus actually is considering in Battle of Gods Elder Kai thought Beerus was using his full power and was doing pretty good. So it just means that either its been retconned or that Shin didn't know which is entirely possible because Elder Kai knowing Beerus longer didn't know how strong Beerus was so why would Shin it just wouldn't make sense.
Remember that that Whis states beerus can kill anyone regardless of their power level.. so even if goku surpasses beerus. Beerus can still Hakai and kill him if he wants. But I believe they are not even close yet.. as in the Filler Champa and Beerus where about to destroy the universe if they keept on going😅.. that tells us they are faaar beyond them still..
Dude no offense but you just went rambling on only to say that Vegito rivals or surpasses Beerus. I kinda expected more but its still enjoyable. I think that Vegito's only rival is either Beerus or Whis. Even in his new debut against Merged Zamasu i believe that Vegito didnt need to go Blue to defeat Zamasu. Like if Broly could go toe to toe with Vegeta and Goku in blue, Vegito in super saiyan 2 could rival and pass through Zamasu. if anything i see vegito pulling SSJ3 to win against Zamasu and thats by the landslide he beat buu with. I hate how awful theyre down playing Pottara and Vegito. Pottara is supposed to be stronger and permanent. Like a definitive last resort, something that is just super dire. fusion dance is the optimal way to fuse for that matter because they can get comparable power but not the stability to go for more than the 30 minutes. Its like Vegito wins with difficulty and because Gogeta would also ran out of time. With downplaying the Pottarras their is virtually no distinction that separates them. It loses the stakes and makes it just a cash grab. Why would divine beings need them if they could just use the fusion dance. The same goes for Vegito's appearence, why does he has red hair if goku and vegeta has black hair and it was kinda inplied that all saiyans have black hair. In my opinion, Vegeto should be used against a being with beerus or whiss level powers and only if Vegeta, goku powers and gogetas time limit not being enough. Vegito becomes permanent and capable enought to defeat him and then maybe have someone using buus chemicals to separate them or a super deity undo the fusion. Or better yet have him live with those actions. Gogeta should be the main fusion in every worse case scenario just because it separates in 30 minutes.
Also, goku black is not stronger than hit super saiyan blue Kaioken goku, and it was confirmed that beerus is stronger than all the morals and all the gods of destruction
It was never confirmed Beerus was stronger than all the gods buddy. All saw him dodge a few gods and assumed he was the best when he wasn’t even the last one standing. There were three gods left, Beerus, Belmod, and Quitela. But I guess u can excuse Belmod since he just hid.
i think the statement from the supreme kai was kinda just stupid. He has no way to know beerus' full strength. It was probably just a hyperbolic statement for vegeto hype, kinda like the king kai glazing secon form freeza and saying he could destroy the universe.
But Beerus say that when he fought goku originally in his God Form. He used like 60 to 70 percent of his power? So that would mean Super Saiyan Fusion Vegito would wipe Beerus easily.
It was a lie, which Beerus admitted to Whis. It was only to rile up Goku to do his best. Beerus simply fought Goku at Goku's level during that fight to get more fun out of it.
@@carlomolina7858I’m pretty sure they just erased that statement in the anime but quit lying bro, when did Beerus “admit he was lying” y’all be making up anything 💀
I mean, Vegito blue was said to possibly surpass Beerus by supreme kai. Then v-jump straight up confirmed that Vegito Blue was as strong as Beerus. So yeah, in manga he was Beerus level of power. I will say though due to time limit he probably loses still. If there was no time limit though hed have a serious arguemnt for winning due to kaoiken being in his back pocket.
Nah, that was straight up debunked by Goku getting a fusion level amp in the same saga. Before you say Vegito Blue >>> Fused Zamasu, Fused Zamasu wasn’t corrupting against Vegito Blue while he started corrupting against PSSJB Goku which debunks Vegito Blue = Beerus.
@SonZackSSJ9k BASE Vegito was stronger than Zamasu, he literally obliterated his body with a single blast BEFORE eating the senzu bean.
Zamasu doesn't corrupt in the manga, and if you're refering to when they start to separate, that's because Zamasu ran in a timer in the manga.
@ He was never stronger than Zamasu more in the anime or Manga, what your using as an argument was Zamasu getting caught offgaurd so that’s not at all a valid feat.
He literally does get partially corrupted against PSSJB Goku, if you read that fight, you can see the purple shit when Fused Zamasu was frustrated against Goku.
@@SonZackSSJ9k Zamasu was not off guard, he was looking directly and charging an attack. Base Vegito being stronger is consistent with Gogeta performing better agianst Broly than both blues.
Those purple bubbles are how his regen looks in the manga, not any corruption.
Perfected blue Goku didn't get any stronger, he just sealed the power loss, as seen when blue Vegeta eviscerated two Zamasus with one attack (because he was stronger as he had been training while Goku learnt mafuba).
@ Yes the fuck he was, are we reading the same manga? he didn’t even see Vegito until he revealed himself?
Why else would they be purple specifically? Why are they bubbles at all? And can you prove this is a sign of his regen when he’s literally angered in that same panel and then some?
Perfected Blue Goku Got WAAAY stronger, he was literally able to get Zamasu in a desperate mood compared to what Vegito did in the anime or Manga, and those Zamasu’s weren’t at all the same ones they’ve been fighting, they were mutations due to a molecular reaction via fusing with the same spirit.
Bro forgot Toriyama died
Probably recorded this before he passed.
If you mean Beerus slams, sure, but Vegito Blue even in the manga is no where near Beerus’ level.
Beerus should still be a lot stronger than any of the fusions. The divine scale of 7 (SSG Goku) 10 (Beerus) and 15 (Whis) is a logarithmic scale, not a linear one. Otherwise, powering up will immediately put Goku, and characters that can transform above even Whis. At the last chapter of the manga, the power scale in divine terms is probably this: Goku MUI (7.42), Vegeta UE (7.42), SS Broly (7.42), Gohan Beast (7.425) Freeza Black (7.43), Vegito Blue (7.5). In linear terms, the number comparison should be astronomical between Goku MUI and Freeza Black, even though in divine scale its a mere .01. Beerus has 10 so he should be able to comfortably one-shot everyone in the 7 scale.
where the hell did you get these numbers
@@viddslol6078 his ass
@@viddslol6078 It's an approximation based from the interview with Akira Toriyama a long time ago on how Goku, Beerus and Whis compare to each other in terms of power, which he said they're 7, 10 and, 15 respectively. And also the current prevailing narrative in the manga that Goku and Vegeta are nowhere near Beerus' level but, he (Beerus) did acknowledge that they are inching closer. I simply used that scale instead of using "quadrillions of times stronger than base", etc.
@@carlomolina7858Wow, fans like you will literally say anything before simply admitting this scale is outdated
@@JohnSmith-hk1fzFR BRO 😭😭😭😭😭
it's just like the people glazing itachi into being Madara level in Naruto 💀
The base fusions should already be stronger than both of the user’s strongest forms. It doesn’t make sense for Base Vegito to be weaker than SSG Goku/Vegeta and SSB Goku/Vegeta.
Vegito and Gogeta were retconned to be equally matched trump cards, as in the multiplier for potara and fusion are both equal.
Bruh your pacing is immaculate and your editing is really good
thank you sir
5:32 ooh I don’t think that one’s happening for a while
@@scrubzero1735 wow you’re the only one who actually interpreted that right so far
The biggest problem with saying that Vegito Blue surpasses Beerus is that its really inconsistent. The anime and manga are closely tied together so while they may be different in some ways they aren't drastically different stories as they follow the same events by the end.
Shin doesn't know what he's talking about sometimes. In the Buu Saga he thought the Saiyans would have trouble with Babadi's henchmen and then with Dabura he is surprised by how strong they are. But he was correct with Buu. In the anime he doesn't even know what Ultra Instinct is and in said anime states Jiren is above anyone they've ever faced including Vegito Blue and Infinite Zamasu.
I know this is the anime scaling but the manga is not completely different as they relatively follow similar events. Hell Goku in the TOP becomes far stronger than Vegito Blue thanks to the amount of zenkai's he got pushing Jiren harder than Belmod has seen in a long time and his attacks outright being stated by Goku to be the strongest thing he's ever felt including the attack that would have killed Goku if it had hit him in Ultra Instinct Omen phase 2 trigger because it barely scrapped him so he knows how powerful that attack is.
The point I'm trying to make is that if we took Shin's statement at face value it just wouldn't make any sense because Goku gets ridiculously stronger through every arc and if Black Frieza is still not stronger than Beerus it just means that Shin didn't know how strong Beerus actually is considering in Battle of Gods Elder Kai thought Beerus was using his full power and was doing pretty good. So it just means that either its been retconned or that Shin didn't know which is entirely possible because Elder Kai knowing Beerus longer didn't know how strong Beerus was so why would Shin it just wouldn't make sense.
Oh cool…
My favorite character vs my other favorite character :) I wonder who wins.
Remember that that Whis states beerus can kill anyone regardless of their power level.. so even if goku surpasses beerus. Beerus can still Hakai and kill him if he wants.
But I believe they are not even close yet.. as in the Filler Champa and Beerus where about to destroy the universe if they keept on going😅.. that tells us they are faaar beyond them still..
Beerus went from weaker than ssj blue to fusion level to one shotting any mortal 😭🙏🙏🙏
Dude no offense but you just went rambling on only to say that Vegito rivals or surpasses Beerus. I kinda expected more but its still enjoyable. I think that Vegito's only rival is either Beerus or Whis. Even in his new debut against Merged Zamasu i believe that Vegito didnt need to go Blue to defeat Zamasu. Like if Broly could go toe to toe with Vegeta and Goku in blue, Vegito in super saiyan 2 could rival and pass through Zamasu. if anything i see vegito pulling SSJ3 to win against Zamasu and thats by the landslide he beat buu with. I hate how awful theyre down playing Pottara and Vegito. Pottara is supposed to be stronger and permanent. Like a definitive last resort, something that is just super dire. fusion dance is the optimal way to fuse for that matter because they can get comparable power but not the stability to go for more than the 30 minutes. Its like Vegito wins with difficulty and because Gogeta would also ran out of time. With downplaying the Pottarras their is virtually no distinction that separates them. It loses the stakes and makes it just a cash grab. Why would divine beings need them if they could just use the fusion dance. The same goes for Vegito's appearence, why does he has red hair if goku and vegeta has black hair and it was kinda inplied that all saiyans have black hair. In my opinion, Vegeto should be used against a being with beerus or whiss level powers and only if Vegeta, goku powers and gogetas time limit not being enough. Vegito becomes permanent and capable enought to defeat him and then maybe have someone using buus chemicals to separate them or a super deity undo the fusion. Or better yet have him live with those actions. Gogeta should be the main fusion in every worse case scenario just because it separates in 30 minutes.
No Beerus is still stronger matter of fact Dragon Ball franchise hasn't even scratched upto 1 percent of the true power of Gods of Destruction.
I was entertained by this video.
Also, goku black is not stronger than hit super saiyan blue Kaioken goku, and it was confirmed that beerus is stronger than all the morals and all the gods of destruction
Goku Black after he got beaten by Vegeta was the strongest fighter according to the DBS producer.
It was never confirmed Beerus was stronger than all the gods buddy. All saw him dodge a few gods and assumed he was the best when he wasn’t even the last one standing. There were three gods left, Beerus, Belmod, and Quitela. But I guess u can excuse Belmod since he just hid.
@therealpat_ bro goku surpassed all the gods of destruction, yet beerus is still stronger. beerus is the strongest god of destruction
Only if toriama could 😭 rip goat
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i think the statement from the supreme kai was kinda just stupid. He has no way to know beerus' full strength. It was probably just a hyperbolic statement for vegeto hype, kinda like the king kai glazing secon form freeza and saying he could destroy the universe.
Well, later on, whis states that frieza in the namek saga could destroy a universe
@Kingjunior752lol That literally never happens.
@@delaware5407 he did read the manga
@@Kingjunior752lol Read it in it's entirety, give me chapter (spoiler: there isn't one).
@@delaware5407 it should be in the universe 6 saga where whis says frieza who once threatened to destroy the universe came back to life
Toriyama makes or provides ?
BRO THE GOAT IS DEAD
its basically to say its never gonna happen
Cap
But Beerus say that when he fought goku originally in his God Form. He used like 60 to 70 percent of his power? So that would mean Super Saiyan Fusion Vegito would wipe Beerus easily.
It was a lie, which Beerus admitted to Whis. It was only to rile up Goku to do his best. Beerus simply fought Goku at Goku's level during that fight to get more fun out of it.
@@carlomolina7858I’m pretty sure they just erased that statement in the anime but quit lying bro, when did Beerus “admit he was lying” y’all be making up anything 💀
@@therealpat_yeah I need a source on that. Don’t recall beerus saying anything of the sort.
@@therealpat_ It was on episode 14 of Dragon Ball Super. It was the banter between Whis and Beerus.