@@Morgan423Z even so we can still debunk this so easily, literally in that same film Barty Crouch junior admits to being the one who told Neville about the gillie weed so he could tell harry, AND Neville did NOT raise Dumbledore's army, harry started it, he helped everyone get better, sure with the help of his crew but it started with him. I love this channel but this theory just ain't it, same as his star wars fallen order video that can be debunked by anybody who actually played the game
Two reasons Neville wasn't so good at magic: 1) He was intimidated by Snape. 2) He was trying to use his father's wand at his grandmother's insistence. His magic became much more powerful as he studied with Dumbledore's Army and more powerful again after he broke his father's wand and was able to go get a wand of his own. After fighting death eaters, I'm sure Snape seemed to be the least of his worries.
+AnimeTheoriesHQ ~ 1080p Videos I agree! I mean, this isn't even a theory. It's basically saying, "Here's something mentioned in the books, but never in the movies! That makes the fact debatable!" I mean, really
It’s literally said over and over in the books, and Harry even said it himself, Neville could’ve been the chosen one the prophecy told about, but the dark lord chose harry instead of Neville
I always felt SO bad for Neville. More than I did for Harry, or any other character. He was CONSTANTLY trying to help Harry, and he never got anything out of it. He almost DIED trying to help him. I even cried when I saw him with scars.
Matpat: Harry was just whining the entire book 4 about being special Me: Literally looking at the line where Harry says "I just wanna be normal" over and over
@@Potatocommander-1 because he's film theory, and their different canons. Even some of the most minuet things in the book are different in the movies, why would he compare them? Besides, his theory isn't even wrong, making your comment even more pointless.
I mean I've never seen the movies but the books make it blatantly clear that it could have referred to either Harry or Neville. The only reason the prophecy became about Harry was because Voldemort chose Harry as he saw the Potter family as more of a threat or something to that effect.
Fair point. I've only really seen the movies and while Neville's amount of screen time is a bit odd, compared to the other non-trios, it's not overly obvious about the whole possible chosen one thing. I always thought of him as a plot device for over coming adversity. But having the "facts", you will, about Neville that's not super highlighted in the movies - it makes so much sense. If I gain the attention span for book series, I'll give it a go.
IDK, Harry Potter might be a more catchy name, but I'd still be tempted to buy the "Neville Longbottom" series of books for the potential butt jokes alone.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince We could say that Neville was the butt of jokes due to his name instead of being bullied for being the chosen one. I think he hit bottom with that one :)
At first I was skeptical thinking "of course he brings in quantum theory and multiple universes to prove his point." But then you surprised me yet again and made a valid argument
Might make for an interesting story though if the author did decide to tell that side of the story. Let's say a short trilogy... too much of the story is already known for anything longer, and the books would probably be a lot shorter than most of the ones in the Harry Potter series. Or maybe just two books. Or one a bit longer one. But yep, she should probably call it something else than "Longbottom". Maybe "Neville's story" or something.
It's not that he thought he was the biggest threat, it's because Voldemort and Harry are both half bloods and Voldemort related to him best, the only reason Harry is the chosen one is because Voldemort made it that way
@@chattywatty3963 no hes considered a halfblood since he had a muggleborn mother. Only way harry could be a pure loo was if he had a pure blood mother which he didnt
Any Harry Potter fan knows this already as it is explicitly explained by Dumbledore in the books directly to Harry. Especially how Voldemort was the deciding factor. In attempting to preempt the prophecy, Voldemort unwittingly played into it, and created his counterpart in the prophecy: Harry Potter. (lol he should have watched That's So Raven.) Like you mentioned, one of the early foundational blocks of Neville possibly being the chosen one is him being sorted into Gryffindor when we were all clearly thinking he'd end up in Hufflepuff. That's why Harry Potter is one of the most brilliant fantasy books ever. It is extraordinarily well thought out. With a really incredible villain origin story might I add (how the genetic in-breeding produced messed up people (scientifically true), Tom being the last ancestor of Slytherin, hating his name, seeking power his whole life, using charm and good looks to manipulate people, etc. Deep psychological stuff going on. Such a well-written villain.). While you may scoff at it, the power of love makes enormous sense. In real life, children who fail to bond to a loving adult, end up with attachment disorder. They hurt people and have no sympathy, guilt, or remorse. Love is VERY important when it comes to human development.
AppeasingPoet But Neville Longbottom ensured Voldemort's death with the death of the last horcrux, Nagini.. thus Neville was the chosen one, quite clearly so. Dumbledore uses Harry as bait knowing that Voldemort would suspect Harry was the chosen one. Harry was special like Voldemort and Dumbledore in some ways, but he was no Neville Longbottom.
Fenmio That's assuming that the prophecy refers to a physical mark. It makes sense as a turn of phrase, Voldemort marking as in acknowledging Neville as his enemy, both of them heading armies on the field of battle
Well tbf, he said it was subtle and that only “careful fans” could see it which wasn’t true because it was said straight out in the book pretty much as detailed as how he said it and explained way more concisely in the context of the book than this 14 minute video.
I'm really surprised that the movies left this detail out, to be honest. It was a core theme in the last 3 books - Harry was the Chosen One _only because Voldemort chose him_ and he himself could have chosen to walk away from that burden at any time - it only became his "destiny" because of 1. What kind of person Harry is, and 2. That _Voldemort_ believed the prophecy and would never stop until Harry was dead, even if that meant putting himself directly in harm's way. Which is incredibly poetic: it's a "destiny" born entirely of two peoples' free will.
Oliver Buck The films aren’t cannon though and he was fine with using certain other facts that only appeared in the books. And like Gordon Sun said, they only had Neville do it in the movie because they didn’t want to go through the hassle of animating Dobby.
It wasn't "mentioned" in Book 5, it was the premise for a whole chapter. Dumbledore literally says to Harry, "Sybill's prophecy could have applied to two wizard boys, both born at the end of July, both with parents in the Order of the Phoenix who had thrice defied Voldemort. One, of course, was you, the other was Neville Longbottom." He didn't "figure it out all by himself" like a clever boy in Year 3, he just read the book.
I kind of wanted MatPat to show a reason for Voldemort to have marked Neville as his equal. Instead we get a reveal that was given straight out in the books. A well put together episode, but still *sigh*
@@clupos74 I won't say it's "stealing", he probably didn't even know that was in the books. And honestly, everyone makes mistakes, and we can forgive him. It was still a good vid
There's a fact everyone ignore: even if Voldemort had picked Neville first, things wouldn't have played out the same, since the only reason Harry survived and got the power to defeat him is because his mother had a choice and CHOSE to sacrifice her life. I mean surely Lily is not the first parent to be willing to die for their child (so did James) but with her it was different because she had the choice. Why? Because Snape asked Voldemort to spare Lily's life. Would he have done the same for Alice? No. Neville would have died. Therefore Harry was always meant to be the Chosen One. It could never have been Neville.
child of prophecy is clearly remark as TWO by JKR. while 'The chosen one' is the one whom Voldemort choose since the book title narrative. while 'Child of prophecy' suppose to who make job done which also by the two boys, one who raised army to defeat Death Eaters (later defeat his last Horcrux) and another one who confront him directly.
This is explicitly discussed in the books. The idea is that neville could have been the one, but Voldemort chose harry. In fact, i'm pretty sure this is portrayed as grounding to harry as he realizes his circumstances were as they are due largely to chance
That's not the reason they were tortured into insanity. Voldemort never understood the prophecy fully, so he and the Death Eaters didn't know about option 2 - Neville. Voldemort chose Harry (marked him as his equal), so from then on, Harry WAS the chosen one. The whole deal behind this is that Voldemort got so freaked out by the prophecy, he acted on it and dug his own grave in the process. If he had just chilled out and not tried to kill Harry at all, there wouldn't have been a chosen one.
Mutt Hatter Actuslly they were tortured despite the prophecy. Voldemort picked Harry because he was a half-blood, just like him, while Neville is a pureblood, the image of perfection for Voldemort and hid followers, and during the Battle of Hogwarts, Voldemort even tries to spare him despite being the head of the rebellion group of students in Hogwarts, and even claims that it would have been a waste to let pureblood wizard like Neville would have been a waste. If Neville have been a half-blood too, then Voldemort would have also targeted Nevile
Ok, it annoys me that Matt Patt goes through the whole "Neville also fits the bill for being the Chosen One" AS IF THAT ISN'T EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE BOOKS.
+Simalacrum Well, if he came to this conclusion without knowing the books said so, then props to him I guess. I don't think he would have made a video about it if he had known the books say it outright.
definitely, i don't remember for sure cuz it's been a while but i'm positive that Dumbledore himself told Harry that Neville was just as likely to become the chosen one and that Voldy chose Harry because Harry had a pureblood father and muggleborn mother, similar to how Voldemort had a muggle father and a pureblood mother
I just finished reading the series and you're absolutely right. Dumbledore straight up tells Harry that it could have been Neville. He explains to Harry that Voldemort was trying to find someone that met the qualifications and he found Harry first. (At least that's what I remember him saying) I'm kind of disappointed in this theory...I mean...it's completely right but it's already said in the books.
+Emily Bell he didn't tell Harry that Voldemort found him 1st, he told Harry that Voldemort was more scared of Harry because of their similarities Neville is a pureblood, that's pointed out in book 2 when someone tells him he doesn't need to buy the protective charms to ward away the basilisk, but Harry had a pureblood father and a muggleborn mother Voldemort had a pureblood mother and a muggle father, Harry and Voldemort had almost the exact same parents that way, and that is why Voldemort chose Harry, the one who was most likely himself, the one he most feard
+Emily Bell i wrote a big long comment about why Voldemort chose Harry but i accidentally deleted it so i'm just gonna say Voldy was scared of Harry because they both had a pureblood parent and a muggle related parent, Voldy had a pure muggle dad and Harry had a muggleborn mom
They literally mention in the books that the prophecy COULD have been about neville. if harry hat not been born one day later, neville would have been the chosen one.
Actually, none of the, were the chosen one. Trelawney's prophecy was actually a bunch of nonsense, or the equivalent of. If her prophecy had been a description of Seamus Finnigan, and Voldemort had tried to kill him instead of Harry, and his mother protected him, he would have been the chosen one, not Harry. This goes for everyone in the wizarding world. It was Voldemort's belief of the prophecy which was what made it true to him, but it was never true until Voldemort made it true.
I've always thought that the ultimate irony of this series is the fact that the prophecy only came true because Voldemort jumped the gun and tried to kill Harry. Voldie is the one who ultimately chose his opponent and gave him the means by which to destroy him (the ability to sense horcruxes, speak parseltongue, see into his mind, etc). If Voldemort hadn't put any stock in the prophecy he likely would have won the first war and subsequently eliminated the threats at his leisure once his power had been secured. There was never anything special about Neville or Harry. Voldemort basically killed himself.
Yeah, but this theory was less about Neville being another possible chosen one, as it is clearly written out in the books. It's more about both of them being the chosen two's, even after Voldemorts decision of picking Harry.
Random_ 824 Yeah, but, the sad thing is, how many read the books? You’d be surprised by how many people just wait for the movies. Which is unfortunate. The books show more than the movies can ever do.
I feel like Neville has always proven himself to be the bravest hero in the movie. It takes bravery to stand up to your enemies but a great deal more to stand uo to your friends.
Part of this theory was in the books and movies but come on, whether it is game theory or film theory Matpat always gives us good, thought filled videos
yeah, i thought matpat was a genius, and then about a year later i read the chapter of the book where dumbledore explains that. and kinda felt betrayed. and then i watched the link is dead video again and reminded myself he's a bit of a genius who just sometimes states the obvious as a theory.
And then it's talked about and referenced multiple times throughout the rest of the series 😂 this is the only video Matpat has ever let us down though.
Voldemort chose Harry because Harry was a half-blood like Voldemort and thus Voldemort felt himself to be more like Harry. However, he was trying to eliminate Harry and make Neville his target.
Alexander Henderson Whether your parents are magical or not doesn't matter. Lily's entire family are muggles, while James' is magical, therefore making Harry half-blood.
When you chose that cake, I immediately thought of Dumbledore's quote: *It is our choices we make that show who we really are far more yhan our abilities*
This just goes to show how much I’ve seen the movies vs reading the books…. I do not remember Neville giving Harry Gillyweed, I just remember when Dobby does in the book😂
Most of us fans already knew that Neville also COULD have been the 'chosen ONE', and how much of a badass he became while Harry just wallowed in self pity or importance depending on the day. But I don't think many of us considered the idea that they could both simultaneously have the ability to beat Moldyshorts.
I actually would have liked some time in the book before Harry is able to fight where Neville does go wand to wand with Voldy-poo and voldy realizes that Neville could have been the one
Ishvallan .Newgate i mean i......kind of assumed they both were....it was kind of obvious from the books and even the end of the movie.....i guess i just got it and others didn't.
Ishvallan .Newgate not simultaneously, in the world(existance) we read and saw is the one where only harry has the power to kill voldemort but in another world(existance) neville has it but not both on the same world(existance)
Ishvallan .Newgate They actually talked about it in one of the books, maybe the 5th one itself? (I recall that it was in the book, otherwise I wouldn't have been saying Neville's name every single time his blacked out picture showed up.) I don't remember how Dumbledore explained it though.
***** I think I remember that. Wasn't it the explanation for why Snape hated Neville? Because he was almost the chosen one, and if he was then Lily would still be alive.
sweaty_rat_gremlinnnx are you trying to find comments to make boomer jokes to feel better about yourself ? 😂 MOM I USED A MEME JOKE LOOK AT ME Lmfao the guy just said there’s audio books for the people that don’t wanna read
I like that you talk about how Neville is very capable, but for a lot of the movies, he was using his dad’s wand out of respect, so it made him weaker, but when he got his own law, he became a lot stronger
Voldemort didn't know the end part of the prophecy, because Snape only eavesdropped on the first two lines. So it could have been either Neville or Harry based on the first two things. But to fulfill the second part, it could only have been Harry. Because Voldemort chose Harry's family, Snape begged his master to spare his beloved Lily, a request he would *not have made for Alice Longbottom* . Before killing her, Voldemort asked her to move aside several times in an attempt to honor Snape's request when instead of a choice he'd have simply killed her immediately as he had James. Because Lily had a choice and chose to die for Harry, her death became a willing sacrifice and created the magic that rebounded Voldemort's death curse.
Even if she hadn't been insane at that point, my assumption wasn't that she wouldn't sacrifice herself for Neville (I'm sure she would have) but rather Snape wouldn't ask Voldemort to spare Alice as he had Lily. That was the key point; Alice wouldn't have had the chance as Lily had for her death to be a choice. Voldemort would've just immediately killed her to get to Neville.
Had the choice in the prophecy been about her choice, it'd still be a choice nonetheless. Even if Voldemort didn't give her a chance to live, it's not like that would have been her only other choice.
The Potters didn't have time to make other choices. They were basically caught completely unawares so whatever other possible choices Lily could have had (run, leave Harry, literally anything but stand and wait by the crib) where excluded. She only had time to get between him and Harry (always thought it was bit weird she didn't have her wand to *try* and fight?) Putting them in that position left her with either to move aside and let Voldemort kill Harry, an option she was given because Snape begged Voldemort to spare her, or die shielding him. In the same situation, Alice would not have been given the option to move aside.
In the 7th book it actually says that the Chosen One could have been Neville, but Voldemort thought it was Harry so he attacked Harry. If Voldemort thought it was Neville and attacked Neville and killed his parents instead the Chosen One would have been Neville. So Ya this wasn’t just a theory it was a Fact.
OK so 12:15 it WASNT neville that provided the gillyweed, that was just a cop-out in the movies. It was Dobby that did all the helping in the books, not Neville. Your point still stands, but as an avid HP fan in my childhood these things are important to me. Neville is awesome, and yeah it coulda easily been Neville (this was outlined really well in the books though, I sorta feel like you didnt read those so closely, and stayed more to the movies... this is "Film Theory" tho and not "Book Theory")
Emerald Daffodils Rly, never noticed that. Probably because when I was little I never listned to what they said, I only was there for the action and shit :D
Emerald Daffodils He used facts from the books for his theory, he didn't "notice small details". This video is just bad as the films don't provide Neville's date of birth, he obviously fished it in the books without mentioning the fact that Dumbledore explained in book 5 that Neville could have been the one but wasn't chosen by Voldemort.
Which also explains why Snape was so cruel to Neville. He blamed him for Lily's death. Because if Voldemort would have chosen the other path to kill Neville and his family the Potters would have lived.
morgan dodson Voldemort was prolly too much of a bitch-ass to fight Neville's parents in a 2v1. He pulled a bitchy sneak attack on the Potters as plan B.
Oh COME ON! This is explained in the books! If it isn’t harry then it’s Neville Longbottom. But, Voldemort chose Harry to mark as his equal because they were both halfblood. It’s kinda the point
But it would also be less satisfying. Seeing that the main rival could _also_ be the hero? NeVeR sEeN tHaT bEfOrE. It's rare to see the shy third wheel/ side character be the one to have had a shot of the main character's role and even though they didn't get it _still_ exceeding expectations tenfold and proving themself as their own character without a destined path.
Never read the books, got forced to watch the movies. Was calling longbottom the real star by the 4th movie(because damn with a name like that you are either the greatest ever or....the walking punchline)
Sun Light He wasn't more scared, he believed himself the best, and while he hates "Mud Bloods" (Punched in the face) he believes they have the most potential, just like he did. It was more his own vanity and less fear. Also Harry's not a half blood he has more wizard blood than muggle.
@@johnathonstorrey2693 Yeah. I know. Thats what i was going to say too. But then i remembered that he _did_ read the books (he mentioned in the begining of the episode) and it's not like he hasnt used books in his other theories
Altho i guess this is one of his earlier ones. So he might have just been trying this out. And i can see why he might not have actually read the books (seeing how looonnnggg they are) but that doesn't mean i cant find it stupid
yeah, he just made a video saying whatever he wanted, no one should take what he says as a fact and he just wanted to say it as something he wanted to make a video about bc why not
When I was a kid and heard about Lily sacrificing herself to save Harry, I always thought it was a nice sentiment. Now that I have a son of my own, I can’t hear it without tearing up.
@@youtubeonly520 being a parent and knowing how much love she have for her son, and knowing how desperately she needed to keep her new baby alive? Imagine having a kid, and feeling hopeless with a cult-leading mass murderer targeting your family, to the point where your whole family is in hiding. Imagine how awful that feeling must be when you see him walk through the door
J.K.Rowling actually included this in a conversation between Dumbledore and Harry. Albus clearly says that it could have either been Harry or Neville. Voldemort only chose Harry because he saw a greater threat in Harry
@John Price I'm not sure what "chance" you're referring to. Harry's dad went to hold off Tom which gave lilly the chance she may have needed. More over, I don't think she needed to do anything more than sacrifice herself to save harry. There was no spell as such. The same way that after Tom kills Harry in the forest Tom's magic can no longer harm anyone. It's because he sacrificed himself for them. That said, I don't think he is right at all.
I feel like everyone giving Harry shite for being depressed and mopey in Book 5 just don’t put themselves in his shoes. He’s being tortured with no way to escape it while being separated from his godfather, the only actual father figure in his life, plus he’s 15 where everybody is kind of emo, so yeah. You blame him, but you’d be worse in his situation.
I have to admit, I loved this theory until I finally read the books. Honestly MatPat, I love your theories, but this is just in the books. And do not tell me to ignore those since it is FILM theory, since Mat mentions the books a couple of times himself.
@@thomasschwietert2680 Exactly the way MatPat does here: Both Harry and Neville filled the criteria laid out in the prophecy. It could have been either of them. Voldemort, however, attacked Harry at a young age, rather than Neville, which gave Harry the ability to defeat him. It couldn't be Neville now, but before Voldemort killed Lily and James, it wasn't certain.
@@uhhh630 Because the FNAF books AND the FNAF games are both canon, while in Harry Potter, the books are canon, while the movies are just based on canon.
Wait, I thought the lighting bolt scar, and making Harry a horcrux was an accidental result of Lilly's interference. Voldemort wasn't marking him as an equal, he was just trying to murder a baby. Theoretically, Longbottom should have been next in line for Voldemort's magical baby murder spree. I read the books, but I don't remember if that ever came up as an actual thing. It's been awhile since I read the books.
The prophesy is garbage. Dumbledore points this out in the sixth book. The prophecy (in all its vagueness) happens to come true because Voldemort happens to believe in it. Also, Neville didn't come up with the gillyweed - that was Barty Crouch Jr.
Departed Reflections Greek Mythology is also filled with these types of prophecies. Self fulfilling prophecies always come across as an Aesop about seeking knowledge of the future to me but done in a larger piece of fiction can come across as a Deus Ex Machina plot device.
Departed Reflections Yeah but matpat only said that he GAVE Harry the gillyweeds. And the idea was actually kinda Nevilles. It was Nevilles own idea even though he wouldn't have gotten the idea without Barty Crouch who gave Neville the book containing the information Harry would need
Departed Reflections Barty pointed him to the right book. And Dumbledore merely pointed out the same thing that Mattpat did: It was Voldemort who created the chosen one by going to Harry first and (also by what you say) believing that he was the one. That belief caused him to give Harry the connection between them, and pushing Harry down the path (instead of Neville) of fulfilling the prophecy.
The fact that Neville could have been the chosen one is very well explained in the books. and the reason that Harry is the chosen one is because Voldemort chose to mark him with that scar
Absolutely, I just reread the books for nostalgia, and this whole video is literally just what was said in the books. (Maybe this is for the film watchers only?) Voldie knew about both kids being born at the time he knew the prophecy stated but chose Harry because he wasn't a full blood like himself as Neville was a full blood. (Voldilogic?)
But this isn't really a theory. In the books it is explained that harry or neville could be the chosen one, but Voldemort decided to believe Harry is the chosen one... This isn't a theory, if you have read the books.
True Nevil meets all these criteria but one... Voldemort didn't choose him and that's a pretty big factor when considering we are talking about the CHOSEN ONE ("one" being another key word not "two"). But can we take a moment to just appreciate that Harry Potter actually does a prophesy right!! I'm looking at you Star Wars.
+The Cinema Cowboy Technically Star wars did have the prophecy right since it was actually Anakin who killed Darth Sidious and he made there be an equal amount of Jedi and Sith by killing most of the Jedi.
@@lilaharrison3770 But the movies are based off of the books, so it isn't really a THEORY if it's proven by the books. Anyway, this is a petition for him to read the books, not a criticism that he didn't do a theory about the books. Also, did you watch his episode about the eagles in lord of the rings (ruclips.net/video/lMXX2YsrxsE/видео.html&ab_channel=TheFilmTheorists)? I thought this was FILM theory and not BOOK theory or LETTER theory.
You do realize this was addressed right? Like Dumbledore and Harry had an entire conversation about this. Until Voldemort marked Harry the prophecy could have meant either of them but by going after Harry he fulfilled it.
+Lisa Burrows YOU realize that this was brought up in the video right? He mentions Harry's and Dumbledore's conversation to further prove his point that Nevile could have been the chosen just as easily as Harry.
Not everything between books and movies is the same, which would be my guess. Also alot of people only saw the movies and didn't read the books, so the parrallel between the two (Longbottom and Potter) wouldn't be apparent to the casual movie watcher(Sometimes even when spelled out). I think this theory video served more as an informative than an actual theory (as was mentioned by you both) to most people. For me, being a movie casual and, I'll admit, having not read the books, it was news to me. I only saw each HP movie about twice and I tend not to think about things too hard or over-analyze things unless it interests me to that point. Sure, the parrallel may have been apparent-and as you said explicitly addressed in the books-but not everyone pays that much attention. That being said, I'll end here. If this, in any way, came off as rude at anypoint please understand I didn't mean for it to and I apologize in advance! Have a nice day!
TheWhovian&Batman I get your point; lots of details were left out of the movies. For those that only saw the movies, this would be total news to them. I merely stated that, seeing as it's all already canon, it's not a theory. You weren't being rude at all. Have a nice day as well! :)
when bellatrix or however people spell it did the pain curse Neville was not born well not yet and for the love thing to actually happen that someone has to DIE from protecting you for you to get their love protection and also Neville did NOT give harry the gillyweed Dobby did when Barty jr (looked like mad eye moody) made dobby to give harry the gillyweed.
I believe (or think for sure) that in the books neville does not do something to Voldemort Voldemort the three (or more) professors weakened Voldemort and harry went out of the invisibility cloak and finished Voldemort off. But I still think this video is great!
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In an alternate universe:
PatMat: "Film Theory: Neville Longbottom ISN'T The Chosen One? "
I hope so
@Hollie they are doing great! Thanks for asking
Neville longbottom and the deathly hallows
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@@leviosa9273 HI HARRY IM READING THE SECOND BOOK
In the end we all know Voldemort is lazy and chose Harry because he was closer
Actually, as DUMBLEDORE SAID IN THE BOOKS, Voldemort saw himself in Harry.
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Also, please spell Woooosh, as in the Subreddit, correctly.
@@dominickeijzer5844 how
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Did I.. Did I purposefully miss s joke with no warning just to pretend to woooosh people as my woooosh? WOOOOSHCEPTION
Phoenix the Parrot well you cant blame him
“Neville gave Harry the gillyweed in year 4”
Books: Sad Dobby noises.
yeah
Poor dobby
This is the film theory channel, not the book theory channel. For any movie based on a book, they are going to talk about the movie, not the book.
@@Morgan423Z even so we can still debunk this so easily, literally in that same film Barty Crouch junior admits to being the one who told Neville about the gillie weed so he could tell harry, AND Neville did NOT raise Dumbledore's army, harry started it, he helped everyone get better, sure with the help of his crew but it started with him. I love this channel but this theory just ain't it, same as his star wars fallen order video that can be debunked by anybody who actually played the game
no poor dobby :( ☀︎
Two reasons Neville wasn't so good at magic:
1) He was intimidated by Snape.
2) He was trying to use his father's wand at his grandmother's insistence.
His magic became much more powerful as he studied with Dumbledore's Army and more powerful again after he broke his father's wand and was able to go get a wand of his own.
After fighting death eaters, I'm sure Snape seemed to be the least of his worries.
why did I read that as "his father broke wind"
“He provides Harry with Gillyweed in year four.”
I don’t care what the movies say, that was Dobby.
Exactly
That's why it's called Film Theory. It focuses on the films, but takes other sources into play.
@Kaden Chim could have
But didnt
Yes
It was Dobby the house-elf,not Neville
@@user-tu2kt7ih9i yes
The fact that either Neville or Harry may be the chosen one is well known and in fact stated in the books.
+Audrey McKnight CinemaSins rules apply.
The books don't matter. *ding*
+Edward Prince Yes.... Yes they do.
Well of course they do. But not to this series. All evidence has to come from the films.
Edward Prince Whats the point in making a "film theory" when the theory is basically fact in what the film is based on?
+AnimeTheoriesHQ ~ 1080p Videos I agree! I mean, this isn't even a theory. It's basically saying, "Here's something mentioned in the books, but never in the movies! That makes the fact debatable!"
I mean, really
I like how this entire video was an actual chapter in Harry Potter
Can u please tell me which book and chapter number, i dont remember
@@justinwhy6550 pretty sure it’s at the end of order of the Phoenix after Harry finds out about the prophecy.
@@justinwhy6550 it’s order of the Phoenix, chapter is called ‘the lost prophecy’
@@carolinesleit3352 ok thanks
Yeah. Great video, but most of us watching already know this. Matpat didn't really come up with it, it's explicitly stated in the book
It’s literally said over and over in the books, and Harry even said it himself, Neville could’ve been the chosen one the prophecy told about, but the dark lord chose harry instead of Neville
@AlisaOMGrocks123 what book what page
@@meihatsumi6045 Book 5 or 6, and I’m not gonna list the exact page, find it urself
@@calleigh._.417 K thank you
YES!!
I mean, Neville would have died and the series would be over if Voldemort chose Neville
I always felt SO bad for Neville. More than I did for Harry, or any other character. He was CONSTANTLY trying to help Harry, and he never got anything out of it. He almost DIED trying to help him. I even cried when I saw him with scars.
Dont worry have you seen the pictures of how he looks like now?
I think that makes up for it
u know same at least harry wasn't that full of himself i mean he was sometimes but we would all be if we were the "the chosen one"
Yeah harry was never selfish and Neville is his friend
@@quietstew843 oh absolutly Matthew Lewis is hot!
pretty sure he was rewarded for his bravery and (unrelated) ended up as the herbology teacher.
Matpat: Harry was just whining the entire book 4 about being special
Me: Literally looking at the line where Harry says "I just wanna be normal" over and over
Tbh, SO MANY people have misconceptions about Harry's character. It's disconcerting.
Periodt.
It’s book 5
Yeah dude people base everything on the movies when the books have the facts. read the books people!
@@Potatocommander-1 because he's film theory, and their different canons. Even some of the most minuet things in the book are different in the movies, why would he compare them? Besides, his theory isn't even wrong, making your comment even more pointless.
The title: “Harry Potter ISN’T THE CHOSEN ONE?”
Me reading the title: “Oh? OH! I know this one! ITS NEVILLEEEE!!”
That was me too😂
Bullshit! Harry and only harry..
Lmao same
Same
I said the same
I mean I've never seen the movies but the books make it blatantly clear that it could have referred to either Harry or Neville. The only reason the prophecy became about Harry was because Voldemort chose Harry as he saw the Potter family as more of a threat or something to that effect.
Fair point. I've only really seen the movies and while Neville's amount of screen time is a bit odd, compared to the other non-trios, it's not overly obvious about the whole possible chosen one thing. I always thought of him as a plot device for over coming adversity. But having the "facts", you will, about Neville that's not super highlighted in the movies - it makes so much sense. If I gain the attention span for book series, I'll give it a go.
yea at the end of the fifth book Dumbledore says that he could have been the chosen
I mean, JK chose Harry, since the title "Harry Potter" is more catchy than "Neville Longbottom"
Neville Longbottom and the Philosopher's Stone...
Neville Longbottom and the Chamber of Secrets...
Neville Longbottom and...
@@axelollo "Neville Longbottom and the Chambers of Secrets" hmm...
IDK, Harry Potter might be a more catchy name, but I'd still be tempted to buy the "Neville Longbottom" series of books for the potential butt jokes alone.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince We could say that Neville was the butt of jokes due to his name instead of being bullied for being the chosen one. I think he hit bottom with that one :)
Neville Longbottom and the Half Blood Prince.....
Harry Potter or Neville Longbottom...Who's better? Let the DEBATE RAGE!
OMG!!!!! THIS IS MY BEST PRESENT ON BIRTHDAY EVEEEEEERR!!!!!¡ The Film Theorists
The Film Theorists This video is awesome!
At first I was skeptical thinking "of course he brings in quantum theory and multiple universes to prove his point." But then you surprised me yet again and made a valid argument
Like your intro pat
The Film Theorists Neo
Imagine being caught by your parents reading a book called “Longbottom”
69th
lmao
Might make for an interesting story though if the author did decide to tell that side of the story. Let's say a short trilogy... too much of the story is already known for anything longer, and the books would probably be a lot shorter than most of the ones in the Harry Potter series. Or maybe just two books. Or one a bit longer one.
But yep, she should probably call it something else than "Longbottom". Maybe "Neville's story" or something.
“Neville Longbottom and the way too hard stone”
@@Ymylock XD
Matpat thinking he's made a new theory:
Books: *vibes in canon*
After all it's film theory not book theory
@@VarnaHouse Except they mention many sources, including books for their theories.
Ik I was like 'does he mean Neville? Bc If so I swear it'll be the first time...' Matpat: 'Neville Longbottom
*reads the books* it says that neville and harry both fufilled the prophecy so voldermort went for the most intimitating one in his opinion, harry.
*looks at the video* Oh..
James Buckland true
James Buckland film theory
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It's not that he thought he was the biggest threat, it's because Voldemort and Harry are both half bloods and Voldemort related to him best, the only reason Harry is the chosen one is because Voldemort made it that way
Swagolicious 324 how is harry half blood his mom is a witch and his dad is a wizard
Matpat: thats just a theory, a film theory
Everyone who has actually read the books: NO ITS NOT ITS FACTS
i still love your channel btw
or, yes a film theory since its not called book theory
@@jellbeeboy nah... In other theories the content of books in considered cannon, so that should apply here as well
Book gang
ik
Me who read all books: you think this is new?????
Harry was chosen because he was a halfblood just as Voldemort was. He figured a halfblood would be his equal not a pureblood
@@chattywatty3963 no hes considered a halfblood since he had a muggleborn mother. Only way harry could be a pure loo was if he had a pure blood mother which he didnt
No problem. And yeah I think even JK Rowling has stated that's why harry was the chosen one
Ellie Franks yeah, that’s D’s explanation to Harry
He didn’t even know about that part though
He chose harry bc he thought Harry had a lot of simularity's to himself. That harry was a halfblood was a part of it but not the entire reason.
Goodbye Matpat long live the theorists
Any Harry Potter fan knows this already as it is explicitly explained by Dumbledore in the books directly to Harry. Especially how Voldemort was the deciding factor. In attempting to preempt the prophecy, Voldemort unwittingly played into it, and created his counterpart in the prophecy: Harry Potter. (lol he should have watched That's So Raven.) Like you mentioned, one of the early foundational blocks of Neville possibly being the chosen one is him being sorted into Gryffindor when we were all clearly thinking he'd end up in Hufflepuff. That's why Harry Potter is one of the most brilliant fantasy books ever. It is extraordinarily well thought out. With a really incredible villain origin story might I add (how the genetic in-breeding produced messed up people (scientifically true), Tom being the last ancestor of Slytherin, hating his name, seeking power his whole life, using charm and good looks to manipulate people, etc. Deep psychological stuff going on. Such a well-written villain.). While you may scoff at it, the power of love makes enormous sense. In real life, children who fail to bond to a loving adult, end up with attachment disorder. They hurt people and have no sympathy, guilt, or remorse. Love is VERY important when it comes to human development.
AppeasingPoet But I still love you MatPat and remain a loyal theorist.
Yes! That's what I said! The prophecy could have meant Neville, but Voldemort's actions ensured that it was Harry!
AppeasingPoet The thing is, this is a Flim Theorist channel
AppeasingPoet But Neville Longbottom ensured Voldemort's death with the death of the last horcrux, Nagini.. thus Neville was the chosen one, quite clearly so. Dumbledore uses Harry as bait knowing that Voldemort would suspect Harry was the chosen one. Harry was special like Voldemort and Dumbledore in some ways, but he was no Neville Longbottom.
Fenmio That's assuming that the prophecy refers to a physical mark. It makes sense as a turn of phrase, Voldemort marking as in acknowledging Neville as his enemy, both of them heading armies on the field of battle
MatPat: Yeah Yeah, The fifth book was some filler (blah blah)
Ron (Editor): **makes a scene with Sirius Black getting killed**
Me: **sobbing**
@Bread NoLastName you could just not click on any harry potter videos...
@Bread NoLastName ... okie then
He is so stupid it said this in the book
Dahlia Baharuddin #relaitible
Me too
He acknowledges that J.K. Rowilng already told us this, he just makes it into a 14 minute video instead of a 800 something paged book.
The Order of the Pheonix has 870 pages
Alexis White shut. up.
Either way everyone is making money
@@bestofthewest6463 Dude the person is just helping and Alexis is correct
Order of the Phoenix has 870 numbered pages
Well tbf, he said it was subtle and that only “careful fans” could see it which wasn’t true because it was said straight out in the book pretty much as detailed as how he said it and explained way more concisely in the context of the book than this 14 minute video.
I'm really surprised that the movies left this detail out, to be honest. It was a core theme in the last 3 books - Harry was the Chosen One _only because Voldemort chose him_ and he himself could have chosen to walk away from that burden at any time - it only became his "destiny" because of 1. What kind of person Harry is, and 2. That _Voldemort_ believed the prophecy and would never stop until Harry was dead, even if that meant putting himself directly in harm's way. Which is incredibly poetic: it's a "destiny" born entirely of two peoples' free will.
I love how MatPat made a film theory video about something that was already confirmed in the books
so true that was kinda dumb
@@daravenboi the raven💀
huge L on his part
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Actually Dobby found the gillyweed because "Madeye" let him hear him
Dobby was the real chosen one
That’s in the books, but he was talking about the films.
Good point tho
@@jaredgwynn5954 I wish XD
Plus Neville only knew about it because "Madeye" gave him the book that contained it.
Oliver Buck The films aren’t cannon though and he was fine with using certain other facts that only appeared in the books. And like Gordon Sun said, they only had Neville do it in the movie because they didn’t want to go through the hassle of animating Dobby.
Book 5 literally mentioned this, but it was still a fun theory to watch, and the fact that you figured it out on your own is great.
yeeeah
THANK YOU!! I'm so sick of all these comments being mean to him! It's entertaining to have it explained by this legend regardless! ❤😊
It wasn't "mentioned" in Book 5, it was the premise for a whole chapter. Dumbledore literally says to Harry, "Sybill's prophecy could have applied to two wizard boys, both born at the end of July, both with parents in the Order of the Phoenix who had thrice defied Voldemort. One, of course, was you, the other was Neville Longbottom."
He didn't "figure it out all by himself" like a clever boy in Year 3, he just read the book.
10:30 Voldemort: I'M NOT GETTING DEFEATED BY SOMEONE NAMED *LONGBOTTOM!*
I kind of wanted MatPat to show a reason for Voldemort to have marked Neville as his equal. Instead we get a reveal that was given straight out in the books. A well put together episode, but still *sigh*
I mean it was a film theory, not a book theory-
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Yeah, but this is still an unoriginal theory, mat just stole it from the books and applied it to the movies
@@clupos74 I won't say it's "stealing", he probably didn't even know that was in the books. And honestly, everyone makes mistakes, and we can forgive him. It was still a good vid
@@samriddhirawat6673 your right, I shouldn’t have been so harsh, especially since he has load of other amazing theories
@@samriddhirawat6673just shut up man he even says look this chapter it confirms it
I have a theory on how Voldemort lost his nose, he missed the platform 9 wall. Lol.
He got his nose smacked to the wall..LOL
Lmao XD that would be me
ha ha very funny : |
no some one stole his nose
LMAO I’m Dying 😂 😂 😂
There's a fact everyone ignore: even if Voldemort had picked Neville first, things wouldn't have played out the same, since the only reason Harry survived and got the power to defeat him is because his mother had a choice and CHOSE to sacrifice her life. I mean surely Lily is not the first parent to be willing to die for their child (so did James) but with her it was different because she had the choice. Why? Because Snape asked Voldemort to spare Lily's life. Would he have done the same for Alice? No. Neville would have died. Therefore Harry was always meant to be the Chosen One. It could never have been Neville.
You hv a pretty fair point. This comment is underrated. It needs more likes and recognition
@@silversunshine2410 Would probably need more diehard fans thinking about that or coming up with a response on it. To me is also a fair point indeed
@@WeirdDuck781 yeah. I hope people find this comment. The confusion will reduce a bit I guess if they do
Holy fudge you’re right 😳
child of prophecy is clearly remark as TWO by JKR. while 'The chosen one' is the one whom Voldemort choose since the book title narrative. while 'Child of prophecy' suppose to who make job done which also by the two boys, one who raised army to defeat Death Eaters (later defeat his last Horcrux) and another one who confront him directly.
This is explicitly discussed in the books. The idea is that neville could have been the one, but Voldemort chose harry. In fact, i'm pretty sure this is portrayed as grounding to harry as he realizes his circumstances were as they are due largely to chance
In the books they specifically say that Neville and Harry are both the chosen one that's why his parents were tortured into insanity
and thus Grindelwald being so important in fantastic beasts
That's not the reason they were tortured into insanity. Voldemort never understood the prophecy fully, so he and the Death Eaters didn't know about option 2 - Neville.
Voldemort chose Harry (marked him as his equal), so from then on, Harry WAS the chosen one. The whole deal behind this is that Voldemort got so freaked out by the prophecy, he acted on it and dug his own grave in the process. If he had just chilled out and not tried to kill Harry at all, there wouldn't have been a chosen one.
The film theorists are giving us NO NEW INFO
Mutt Hatter Actuslly they were tortured despite the prophecy. Voldemort picked Harry because he was a half-blood, just like him, while Neville is a pureblood, the image of perfection for Voldemort and hid followers, and during the Battle of Hogwarts, Voldemort even tries to spare him despite being the head of the rebellion group of students in Hogwarts, and even claims that it would have been a waste to let pureblood wizard like Neville would have been a waste. If Neville have been a half-blood too, then Voldemort would have also targeted Nevile
EXACTLY MY POINT
Who else wants a “Neville Longbottom” series that takes place in the parallel universe
Ok, it annoys me that Matt Patt goes through the whole "Neville also fits the bill for being the Chosen One" AS IF THAT ISN'T EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE BOOKS.
+Simalacrum Well, if he came to this conclusion without knowing the books said so, then props to him I guess. I don't think he would have made a video about it if he had known the books say it outright.
+Simalacrum The channel is *Film* Theories not Book Theories
^ yes! thank you! all of this is completely explained in the novels!
+Shuragami yeah, but he said that it was least favorite book in the series, so that means he read them and knew this was explained
+Simalacrum Well, he has said that this same theory was in the books so clearly he was aware of that and didn't hide it.
It's not just "love", it's the intense, self-sacrificing love of a mother who used herself to shield Harry from a great evil and died in the process.
Neville Longbottem and the sorcerers stone
Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it
Let's try the other one
Neville longbottom and the philosophers Stone
Yeah still
Actually if you think about it nothing that isnt created sounds right for example instead of say KFC it was AFC
but if J.K Rowling had CHOSEN to call it Neville Longbottom and The Sorcerers Stone, Harry Potter would've sounded weird.
pet peeve: the original book was the philosophers stone
It's Longbott _o_ m not Longbott _e_ m
It's not a theory. It's a pretty clear fact according to the books
definitely, i don't remember for sure cuz it's been a while but i'm positive that Dumbledore himself told Harry that Neville was just as likely to become the chosen one and that Voldy chose Harry because Harry had a pureblood father and muggleborn mother, similar to how Voldemort had a muggle father and a pureblood mother
I just finished reading the series and you're absolutely right. Dumbledore straight up tells Harry that it could have been Neville. He explains to Harry that Voldemort was trying to find someone that met the qualifications and he found Harry first. (At least that's what I remember him saying) I'm kind of disappointed in this theory...I mean...it's completely right but it's already said in the books.
+Emily Bell he didn't tell Harry that Voldemort found him 1st, he told Harry that Voldemort was more scared of Harry because of their similarities
Neville is a pureblood, that's pointed out in book 2 when someone tells him he doesn't need to buy the protective charms to ward away the basilisk, but Harry had a pureblood father and a muggleborn mother
Voldemort had a pureblood mother and a muggle father, Harry and Voldemort had almost the exact same parents that way, and that is why Voldemort chose Harry, the one who was most likely himself, the one he most feard
+Emily Bell i wrote a big long comment about why Voldemort chose Harry but i accidentally deleted it so i'm just gonna say Voldy was scared of Harry because they both had a pureblood parent and a muggle related parent, Voldy had a pure muggle dad and Harry had a muggleborn mom
And Neville did not provide the plants in the goblet of fire it was Dobbi read a book
They literally mention in the books that the prophecy COULD have been about neville. if harry hat not been born one day later, neville would have been the chosen one.
No, they both could've been the chosen one, except the CHOSEN one was chosen by Voldemort
iamanenigma unknowntotheworld i agree that they are both the chosen one, but if one was not alive (or born), the other would be the chosen one
Actually, none of the, were the chosen one. Trelawney's prophecy was actually a bunch of nonsense, or the equivalent of. If her prophecy had been a description of Seamus Finnigan, and Voldemort had tried to kill him instead of Harry, and his mother protected him, he would have been the chosen one, not Harry. This goes for everyone in the wizarding world. It was Voldemort's belief of the prophecy which was what made it true to him, but it was never true until Voldemort made it true.
iamanenigma unknowntotheworld that is also a theme of the books. You can make your own danger by being afraid of something.
***** Just curious, what holes are you referring to. I don't know many in the series.
Matt Pat is the only one who can make a fact, clearly stated from the book sound like the best video ever
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I've always thought that the ultimate irony of this series is the fact that the prophecy only came true because Voldemort jumped the gun and tried to kill Harry. Voldie is the one who ultimately chose his opponent and gave him the means by which to destroy him (the ability to sense horcruxes, speak parseltongue, see into his mind, etc). If Voldemort hadn't put any stock in the prophecy he likely would have won the first war and subsequently eliminated the threats at his leisure once his power had been secured. There was never anything special about Neville or Harry. Voldemort basically killed himself.
Pretty sure he gained that ability because Voldemort tried to
Kill hi but made him the 7th horcrux, probably wasn’t on purpose.
The thing is, Voldemort only heard half of the prophecy so he accidentally brought this on himself.
Mat did you even read the books?
Dumbledore explains all about how Neville could have been the chosen one and everything.
He mentions that, instead of watching the books you should read the movies
FILM theory...not book theory, anyway, he did read the books.
Your Probably Not Gonna Notice This
Well... if the books explain it, he doesn’t need to make a theory on it because the books already did
In this video, he also mentions Dumbledore explaining that theory at 10:59
Yeah, but this theory was less about Neville being another possible chosen one, as it is clearly written out in the books.
It's more about both of them being the chosen two's, even after Voldemorts decision of picking Harry.
Before watching this:
It's Neville isn't it, If you say Neville IMMA BE SOO ANGRY BECAUSE THEY LITERALLY MENTION IT IN THE BOOK
Random_ 824 I KEPT SAYING THAT TOO
Exactly what I was going to say 😈
Random_ 824 right that was already covered
Random_ 824 Yeah, but, the sad thing is, how many read the books? You’d be surprised by how many people just wait for the movies. Which is unfortunate. The books show more than the movies can ever do.
same I haven't watched it yet
I feel like Neville has always proven himself to be the bravest hero in the movie. It takes bravery to stand up to your enemies but a great deal more to stand uo to your friends.
It's not theory! The book was said this all along!
It is called the film theorists for a reason...
Lucas Norrie to ignore preexisting cannon?
nph53 yes! xD
Part of this theory was in the books and movies but come on, whether it is game theory or film theory Matpat always gives us good, thought filled videos
Piyalak Nuchim Exactly! This was clearly mentioned in the book haha I was pretty confused... I'm like wait what? This already happened... haha :D
Hope Neville kills the second most evil witch/wizard:
Umbridge >:(
Not himmm!!!
Bellatrix lestrange and Miss McDonagh Umbridge is a woman which means she’s a witch
Ooooooooof
No umbrige (sorry if I spelled it wrong) is the most evil
Actually he did kill voldemort, he killed nagini
This was explained exactly at the end of book 5
Yep :/
WAT
+MrLegoman880 That's exactly what I was going to say XDD
+MrLegoman880 It's a MatPrat video, were you expecting something better?
+Jason Godwin It's usually better
Tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. This was a whole plot point, my dude 😂
the book confirms this theory, Dumbledore confirms it himself.
Yes he says Nevil could be the chosen one. But he also says that it is Harry because Voldemort marked him as his equal.
Megan Macneil This Theory Says That Though, Watch The Video Before You Comment!
would love a quote or series of quote, or page number, or anything more than just a word
yeah, i thought matpat was a genius, and then about a year later i read the chapter of the book where dumbledore explains that. and kinda felt betrayed. and then i watched the link is dead video again and reminded myself he's a bit of a genius who just sometimes states the obvious as a theory.
Max Evans l
I know everyone has said this, but still. This is something they literally SAY in the books.
I love how he's acting like its a whole new discovery he made, while in reality theres a whole chapter and a half dedicated to explaining exactly this
That is just every single one of his theorys
Yeah that is so true
Exactly!
And then it's talked about and referenced multiple times throughout the rest of the series 😂 this is the only video Matpat has ever let us down though.
harry was cursed way before birth as he is the exact opposite of Voldemort and is related to harry him self
Voldemort chose Harry because Harry was a half-blood like Voldemort and thus Voldemort felt himself to be more like Harry. However, he was trying to eliminate Harry and make Neville his target.
Exactly
Good point. By trying to eliminate Harry, he unknowingly marked him as his equal.
Alexander Henderson Harry is a half-blood because Lily is muggle-born.
Terezi Pyrope lily is half blood but harry is not because both parents are magical
Alexander Henderson Whether your parents are magical or not doesn't matter. Lily's entire family are muggles, while James' is magical, therefore making Harry half-blood.
Didn't the book clearly state that Neville COULD HAVE been the chosen one but Voldemort CHOSE Harry?
yes it did!
Strawberry Wolfy AJ Yes but I'm guessing a lot of people who've seen the movies haven't read the books.
Strawberry Wolfy AJ ikr also jk rowling said her self even if he was the chosen one he would not be able to defeat voldemort i forgot y
Strawberry Wolfy AJ yes yes it did
FILM theory dude
When you chose that cake, I immediately thought of Dumbledore's quote: *It is our choices we make that show who we really are far more yhan our abilities*
This just goes to show how much I’ve seen the movies vs reading the books…. I do not remember Neville giving Harry Gillyweed, I just remember when Dobby does in the book😂
I love how he makes a video literally saying something that the book says
like imagine a video “Is Darth Vader Luke's father?"
XD
No i am his father
Most of us fans already knew that Neville also COULD have been the 'chosen ONE', and how much of a badass he became while Harry just wallowed in self pity or importance depending on the day. But I don't think many of us considered the idea that they could both simultaneously have the ability to beat Moldyshorts.
I actually would have liked some time in the book before Harry is able to fight where Neville does go wand to wand with Voldy-poo and voldy realizes that Neville could have been the one
Ishvallan .Newgate i mean i......kind of assumed they both were....it was kind of obvious from the books and even the end of the movie.....i guess i just got it and others didn't.
Ishvallan .Newgate not simultaneously, in the world(existance) we read and saw is the one where only harry has the power to kill voldemort but in another world(existance) neville has it but not both on the same world(existance)
Ishvallan .Newgate They actually talked about it in one of the books, maybe the 5th one itself? (I recall that it was in the book, otherwise I wouldn't have been saying Neville's name every single time his blacked out picture showed up.) I don't remember how Dumbledore explained it though.
***** I think I remember that. Wasn't it the explanation for why Snape hated Neville? Because he was almost the chosen one, and if he was then Lily would still be alive.
When you realize the books confirmed this 'theory' before it was ever made...
When you realize books are an outdated medium.
Edit: please ignore, this is an outdated comment
Seedonator When you realize that book sales are still pretty damn high and just because you’re too damn lazy to read doesn’t mean nobody reads anymore
There is also something called audio books too for those who don't want to pick up a good old fashioned book.
@@jonarbuckle778 ok boomer
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Lmfao the guy just said there’s audio books for the people that don’t wanna read
I like that you talk about how Neville is very capable, but for a lot of the movies, he was using his dad’s wand out of respect, so it made him weaker, but when he got his own law, he became a lot stronger
Voldemort didn't know the end part of the prophecy, because Snape only eavesdropped on the first two lines. So it could have been either Neville or Harry based on the first two things. But to fulfill the second part, it could only have been Harry. Because Voldemort chose Harry's family, Snape begged his master to spare his beloved Lily, a request he would *not have made for Alice Longbottom* . Before killing her, Voldemort asked her to move aside several times in an attempt to honor Snape's request when instead of a choice he'd have simply killed her immediately as he had James. Because Lily had a choice and chose to die for Harry, her death became a willing sacrifice and created the magic that rebounded Voldemort's death curse.
you say that like the video made it clear. It didn't. Unless you didn't watch it before commenting in which case...shame on you. SHAME!! SHAAAAME!
Bold of you to assume Alice wouldn't choose to sacrifice her life for Neville.
Even if she hadn't been insane at that point, my assumption wasn't that she wouldn't sacrifice herself for Neville (I'm sure she would have) but rather Snape wouldn't ask Voldemort to spare Alice as he had Lily. That was the key point; Alice wouldn't have had the chance as Lily had for her death to be a choice. Voldemort would've just immediately killed her to get to Neville.
Had the choice in the prophecy been about her choice, it'd still be a choice nonetheless. Even if Voldemort didn't give her a chance to live, it's not like that would have been her only other choice.
The Potters didn't have time to make other choices. They were basically caught completely unawares so whatever other possible choices Lily could have had (run, leave Harry, literally anything but stand and wait by the crib) where excluded. She only had time to get between him and Harry (always thought it was bit weird she didn't have her wand to *try* and fight?) Putting them in that position left her with either to move aside and let Voldemort kill Harry, an option she was given because Snape begged Voldemort to spare her, or die shielding him. In the same situation, Alice would not have been given the option to move aside.
In the 7th book it actually says that the Chosen One could have been Neville, but Voldemort thought it was Harry so he attacked Harry.
If Voldemort thought it was Neville and attacked Neville and killed his parents instead the Chosen One would have been Neville. So Ya this wasn’t just a theory it was a Fact.
I know right
Stiephan Fields and in the 5th book
___A Human__ _ it's the fifth it fit says it
Exactly
I was just about to post this comment but I realised you did it for me, thanks!
OK so 12:15 it WASNT neville that provided the gillyweed, that was just a cop-out in the movies. It was Dobby that did all the helping in the books, not Neville. Your point still stands, but as an avid HP fan in my childhood these things are important to me. Neville is awesome, and yeah it coulda easily been Neville (this was outlined really well in the books though, I sorta feel like you didnt read those so closely, and stayed more to the movies... this is "Film Theory" tho and not "Book Theory")
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The DA wasn’t founded by Neville either. Hermione did and Harry taught it
But this is FILM Theory
Villain: *exists*
The power of love and friendship: and i took that personally.
This is explained in the books by Dumbledore, although good job noticing the small details.
FILM theorists, FILM theorists. Not BOOK theorists lol
Lucas Norrie Well, the films too XD
Emerald Daffodils Rly, never noticed that. Probably because when I was little I never listned to what they said, I only was there for the action and shit :D
Emerald Daffodils He used facts from the books for his theory, he didn't "notice small details". This video is just bad as the films don't provide Neville's date of birth, he obviously fished it in the books without mentioning the fact that Dumbledore explained in book 5 that Neville could have been the one but wasn't chosen by Voldemort.
Marc Somerhausen Yes, the theory is still the same, but he does pick out a few examples and link them to the theory.
Which also explains why Snape was so cruel to Neville. He blamed him for Lily's death. Because if Voldemort would have chosen the other path to kill Neville and his family the Potters would have lived.
***** I think he knows that subconiously and deals with the guilt he feels for that by projecting blame and his anger onto neville and harry
Only interesting part to this video ^
morgan dodson Voldemort was prolly too much of a bitch-ass to fight Neville's parents in a 2v1. He pulled a bitchy sneak attack on the Potters as plan B.
morgan dodson OMFG
DOESNT EXCUSE IT
The book states that Neville could've been the chosen one, but Voldemort marked Harry as his equal, making him the chosen one.
Watch the whole video mate
This isn't a book theory. This is about the Harry Potter films. People need to start thinking before commenting
He uses book info to
Buck he only uses the prophecy and the author, not the book
yes that is what bugged me this whole ep
Wait this is the first film theory and its one of the best ones
Oh COME ON! This is explained in the books! If it isn’t harry then it’s Neville Longbottom. But, Voldemort chose Harry to mark as his equal because they were both halfblood. It’s kinda the point
Actually, out of Voldemort, Harry, and Nevil, Voldemort is a half-blood.
@@crystalmorganite haha no, Lilly's parents were muggles therefore harry wouldn't have all wizard blood
@@crystalmorganite its ok, its easy to forget
And blood related
So... it was Voldemorts fault then? He marked Harry so he created his own rival...
Anyone who has read the books knows this. It's hardly a theory, it's a well known fact to be honest.
Tekkie74 yes that’s so true. I have all the books
@@Mr.Bob-Gray everyone dous
True
True
exactly
No it should have been Malfoy. THAT would be interesting to read.
If I knew Malfoy had a crush on Hermione, I would ship them soooo hard
Yeeesss
But it would also be less satisfying. Seeing that the main rival could _also_ be the hero? NeVeR sEeN tHaT bEfOrE.
It's rare to see the shy third wheel/ side character be the one to have had a shot of the main character's role and even though they didn't get it _still_ exceeding expectations tenfold and proving themself as their own character without a destined path.
@@harurenford2296 no please. if i read that in the books, i would throw it to a thrash can where it belongs.
IT MEANS VOLDEMORT'S (Hogwarts) HOUSE TURNED AGAINST HIM!! WHOOOOOHO!! I WANTTT
“Hey you, Scar boi”
*Shows Scarface*
Read the books, kids, and you could've known all of this without have having MattPat explain it (although he is great at explaining things).
I know right! BOOKS4DAWIN
Never read the books, got forced to watch the movies. Was calling longbottom the real star by the 4th movie(because damn with a name like that you are either the greatest ever or....the walking punchline)
MultiMagniGladii The only reason Nevill wasn't chosen by Voldemort is because he is a fullblood wizard, while Harry is a halfblood
Joanna Kamphuis Yeah, Voldemort was more scared of half-blod wizard, because Voldemort himself is half-blod.
Sun Light He wasn't more scared, he believed himself the best, and while he hates "Mud Bloods" (Punched in the face) he believes they have the most potential, just like he did. It was more his own vanity and less fear. Also Harry's not a half blood he has more wizard blood than muggle.
No, no, no. You missed a key detail - Neville is a pureblood. He chooses Harry because they're both half-bloods. That's what it meant by his equal.
??? Harry is a pureblood!
wtf are you talking about? The parents of harry's mother are muggles. Did you even read the books?
^@Bradley C
Bradley C James Potter was a pureblood. Lily was not. She was a muggleborn witch. So technically Harry would be a half-blood
@Bradley C Lu was talking about Neville lol
Every time he says book i questions his whole existence. DID YOU EVEN READ IT??????
nope
It's sleeping pills existence in a nutshell.
You do know he READS RIGHT?!!
Yes I just think the last ones are boring at least worse than the first few
Ik
Looking back at the books this is such a smart theory. Neville not thinkable about to fans was so cool to hear. Keep up the good work Matpat
Who else read the books and was facepalming the whole time
Eyes roll the whole time!!!!!!
Yeah. but this is film theory, not novel theory
@@johnathonstorrey2693 Yeah. I know. Thats what i was going to say too. But then i remembered that he _did_ read the books (he mentioned in the begining of the episode) and it's not like he hasnt used books in his other theories
Altho i guess this is one of his earlier ones. So he might have just been trying this out. And i can see why he might not have actually read the books (seeing how looonnnggg they are) but that doesn't mean i cant find it stupid
yeah, he just made a video saying whatever he wanted, no one should take what he says as a fact and he just wanted to say it as something he wanted to make a video about bc why not
"Oh! Voldemort is back! Well, I guess I'm gonna make a 11-year-old child fight him because I don't want to!"
-Albus too-many-middle-names Dumbledore
@@oo-fk3ek ikr, at some point all of us remembers every single character name
@@oo-fk3ek what no- why would i use sarcasm? i meant it literally, i remember dumbledore's full name too, and evidently so do you.
lmao
Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore
@@lvcky6104 yep :D
When I was a kid and heard about Lily sacrificing herself to save Harry, I always thought it was a nice sentiment. Now that I have a son of my own, I can’t hear it without tearing up.
I see a person who's story is long and complex. I wish you luck.
You have some serious issues if that tears you up
@@youtubeonly520 being a parent and knowing how much love she have for her son, and knowing how desperately she needed to keep her new baby alive?
Imagine having a kid, and feeling hopeless with a cult-leading mass murderer targeting your family, to the point where your whole family is in hiding. Imagine how awful that feeling must be when you see him walk through the door
J.K.Rowling actually included this in a conversation between Dumbledore and Harry. Albus clearly says that it could have either been Harry or Neville. Voldemort only chose Harry because he saw a greater threat in Harry
It literally says this in the books, that it could have been Neville
Where??? In book jk rowling cleared that it was always been harry and only harry..
But it wasn't because Tom chose Harry. The importance and power of the chosen one being that they have a part of Tom's soul inside them.
@@jamilamimi8914 you're flat out wrong.
@John Price I'm not sure what "chance" you're referring to. Harry's dad went to hold off Tom which gave lilly the chance she may have needed. More over, I don't think she needed to do anything more than sacrifice herself to save harry. There was no spell as such. The same way that after Tom kills Harry in the forest Tom's magic can no longer harm anyone. It's because he sacrificed himself for them. That said, I don't think he is right at all.
@John Price in the book it states that if Voldemort had decided to attack the longbottoms instead, then Neville would have been the chosen one.
I feel like everyone giving Harry shite for being depressed and mopey in Book 5 just don’t put themselves in his shoes. He’s being tortured with no way to escape it while being separated from his godfather, the only actual father figure in his life, plus he’s 15 where everybody is kind of emo, so yeah. You blame him, but you’d be worse in his situation.
yeah, he also had symptoms of ptsd from watching Cedric die and Voldemort coming back to life
Thank you
"His godfather, the only actual father figure in his life"
Meanwhile, Hagrid is in a corner, sobbing into his knitting and rock cakes
Plus, he's being possessed by voldymort.
Plus a teacher tortures him and takes the only thing that makes his mind forget all the shitty things, what is quidditch
I have to admit, I loved this theory until I finally read the books. Honestly MatPat, I love your theories, but this is just in the books.
And do not tell me to ignore those since it is FILM theory, since Mat mentions the books a couple of times himself.
I never read the books could u tell me exactly how they mentioned it could of be longbottom
@@thomasschwietert2680 Exactly the way MatPat does here: Both Harry and Neville filled the criteria laid out in the prophecy. It could have been either of them. Voldemort, however, attacked Harry at a young age, rather than Neville, which gave Harry the ability to defeat him. It couldn't be Neville now, but before Voldemort killed Lily and James, it wasn't certain.
@@Lokear thx
yeah, i mean, if matpat can use the FNAF books for FNAF, then what's the big deal with reading the HP books?
@@uhhh630 Because the FNAF books AND the FNAF games are both canon, while in Harry Potter, the books are canon, while the movies are just based on canon.
Wait, I thought the lighting bolt scar, and making Harry a horcrux was an accidental result of Lilly's interference. Voldemort wasn't marking him as an equal, he was just trying to murder a baby. Theoretically, Longbottom should have been next in line for Voldemort's magical baby murder spree. I read the books, but I don't remember if that ever came up as an actual thing. It's been awhile since I read the books.
The prophesy is garbage. Dumbledore points this out in the sixth book. The prophecy (in all its vagueness) happens to come true because Voldemort happens to believe in it.
Also, Neville didn't come up with the gillyweed - that was Barty Crouch Jr.
Departed Reflections Greek Mythology is also filled with these types of prophecies. Self fulfilling prophecies always come across as an Aesop about seeking knowledge of the future to me but done in a larger piece of fiction can come across as a Deus Ex Machina plot device.
Departed Reflections Yeah but matpat only said that he GAVE Harry the gillyweeds. And the idea was actually kinda Nevilles. It was Nevilles own idea even though he wouldn't have gotten the idea without Barty Crouch who gave Neville the book containing the information Harry would need
***** And in the Books Dobby gave it to Harry....
oninoni1234 Good point. Had almost forgotten that to be honest. But i guess since this is Film-Theory we are suposed to go after the movies, but shmeh
Departed Reflections Barty pointed him to the right book. And Dumbledore merely pointed out the same thing that Mattpat did: It was Voldemort who created the chosen one by going to Harry first and (also by what you say) believing that he was the one. That belief caused him to give Harry the connection between them, and pushing Harry down the path (instead of Neville) of fulfilling the prophecy.
The fact that Neville could have been the chosen one is very well explained in the books. and the reason that Harry is the chosen one is because Voldemort chose to mark him with that scar
She did set that up on purpose.
EXACTLY
Harry was chosen to defeat Voldemort, Neville was chosen to lead the army
+AliceGrace Good point, but what if were all the chosen one's because love and other reasons.
Absolutely, I just reread the books for nostalgia, and this whole video is literally just what was said in the books. (Maybe this is for the film watchers only?) Voldie knew about both kids being born at the time he knew the prophecy stated but chose Harry because he wasn't a full blood like himself as Neville was a full blood. (Voldilogic?)
But this isn't really a theory. In the books it is explained that harry or neville could be the chosen one, but Voldemort decided to believe Harry is the chosen one... This isn't a theory, if you have read the books.
When do the books ever say that?!
The book when Harry learns about the prophecy. The fifth or sixth one i think.
What language? It might not be in the English books.
Allison Koester End of the 5th book, which is the source for this video talking about it at 11:08
Allison Koester it was in the english books.
Film theory is ending so just enjoying the first film theory they posted
True Nevil meets all these criteria but one... Voldemort didn't choose him and that's a pretty big factor when considering we are talking about the CHOSEN ONE ("one" being another key word not "two"). But can we take a moment to just appreciate that Harry Potter actually does a prophesy right!! I'm looking at you Star Wars.
+The Cinema Cowboy Can't breath. Laughing too much. That is the funniest shots fired I have read.
+The Cinema Cowboy THAT'S WHAT I KEEP SAYING
+The Cinema Cowboy roses are red
violets are blue
you were my brother anakin
I LOVED YOU!
+The Cinema Cowboy Technically Star wars did have the prophecy right since it was actually Anakin who killed Darth Sidious and he made there be an equal amount of Jedi and Sith by killing most of the Jedi.
actually anakin completed the prophecy,because of that he was no longer the chosen one (and became evil)if this is wrong please respond
This theory was already revealed in the Harry Potter books...
Petition for matpat to READ Harry Potter.
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well this is FILM theory and not BOOK theory after all, so obviously he will base it off the films not the books
@@lilaharrison3770 make him make "the book theorists"
@@lilaharrison3770 But the movies are based off of the books, so it isn't really a THEORY if it's proven by the books. Anyway, this is a petition for him to read the books, not a criticism that he didn't do a theory about the books. Also, did you watch his episode about the eagles in lord of the rings (ruclips.net/video/lMXX2YsrxsE/видео.html&ab_channel=TheFilmTheorists)? I thought this was FILM theory and not BOOK theory or LETTER theory.
This theory is the video depiction of “tell me you didn’t read the book without telling me you didn’t read the book”
You do realize this was addressed right? Like Dumbledore and Harry had an entire conversation about this. Until Voldemort marked Harry the prophecy could have meant either of them but by going after Harry he fulfilled it.
+Lisa Burrows YOU realize that this was brought up in the video right? He mentions Harry's and Dumbledore's conversation to further prove his point that Nevile could have been the chosen just as easily as Harry.
okay but the point is that its not a theory. its cannon.
+Lisa Burrows It's a MatPrat video, were you expecting something better?
+Atlas Graham Yeah but that doesn't make it a theory it just makes it a part of the book. He basically just told us what the book said.
HOW DARE YOU SPEAK HOW HIS NAME!!!!!!!! UUUUAVADA KEDAVRA!!!!!!
12:11
*WeLL iN tHE BOok, doBBy tHe eLF gAvE HArrY ThE GiLLY wEED*
YaSs QuEeN
I really needed to see that, thank you lmao
Well... Its Film Theory
This isn't really a theory. JKR explained all of this herself via Dumbledore in book 5
exactly. I don't get how it's a theory. it's already in the books.
Not everything between books and movies is the same, which would be my guess. Also alot of people only saw the movies and didn't read the books, so the parrallel between the two (Longbottom and Potter) wouldn't be apparent to the casual movie watcher(Sometimes even when spelled out). I think this theory video served more as an informative than an actual theory (as was mentioned by you both) to most people. For me, being a movie casual and, I'll admit, having not read the books, it was news to me. I only saw each HP movie about twice and I tend not to think about things too hard or over-analyze things unless it interests me to that point. Sure, the parrallel may have been apparent-and as you said explicitly addressed in the books-but not everyone pays that much attention.
That being said, I'll end here. If this, in any way, came off as rude at anypoint please understand I didn't mean for it to and I apologize in advance! Have a nice day!
TheWhovian&Batman I get your point; lots of details were left out of the movies. For those that only saw the movies, this would be total news to them. I merely stated that, seeing as it's all already canon, it's not a theory. You weren't being rude at all. Have a nice day as well! :)
Fay Janssen good for you, then. Props! :)
yeah ikr, it was explained that Harry was the chosen one in the books, why is this even a theory.
btw, as neville's mother isn't lily potter, snape won't help him, like EVER. so i guess voldemort killed himself in a VERY indirect way.
this is gonna be about Neville isn't it
damnit
+Crystalline101 I had the exact same thoughts....
I was like just waiting for Neville name
I thought the exact same.
Me too.
Let’s be real I know they are both”chosen ones” BUT imagine if all the Harry Potter films where called Neville longbottem films lol
Kayla Boyd yup
Kayla Boyd is
Lol
Neville would basically be called Harry and everything would be the same as before
Kayla Boyd man
the real reason Voldemort hates Harry is because Harry stole his nose
*loud snort of agreement*
Voldemort has no nose because he is designed after a snake.
hahaahah
No he doesn't have a nose because he ran into the wrong wall at platform 9 3/4
no one actually nose if that’s true or not tbh
when bellatrix or however people spell it did the pain curse Neville was not born well not yet and for the love thing to actually happen that someone has to DIE from protecting you for you to get their love protection and also Neville did NOT give harry the gillyweed Dobby did when Barty jr (looked like mad eye moody) made dobby to give harry the gillyweed.
I believe (or think for sure) that in the books neville does not do something to Voldemort Voldemort the three (or more) professors weakened Voldemort and harry went out of the invisibility cloak and finished Voldemort off. But I still think this video is great!