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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David go over the Microsoft event and discuss some of the announcements that were made including a new chip that's supposed to rival the Apple M3!
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Damn... Surface Pro X came out in 2019? That feels like 10 - 12 years ago.
I've been using mine since 2020 as my main pc. It's always run great tbh. The Tidal app is a bit slow, Facebook Messenger is a bit slow but that's it. Everything else I use on it works as well as an Intel based PC, seriously. Because it doesn't run Adobe Apps well these guys have always conflated this to mean it sucks. Their bias is telling us lies.
Feels like yesterday to me
I mean, Surface RT came out in 2012 so yeah basically the same thing /s
@@bradavonit's horrid bro, living in the browser works which is what it seems like you're doing, but using it properly doesn't work at all
@@nickbu💀
The Microsoft SQ1 was just an overclocked Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx. That's it.
Note to self never come to this podcast for any kind of real specs always check your specs
Agreed, unfortunately that's most tech podcast , just filler talk.
I hate how pushing their stupid first-party AI basically completely killed all the hype for ARM on Windows
Nah, I’m looking forward to copilot. Will be great for learning new software
Yeah it's so weird. Microsoft want you to care about CoPilot+ but everyone is interested because ARM means Windows can have Apple M1 style performance. It's that that'll sell the PCs.
Windows had the entire fanbase calling them Master Class or Master Race for so many years that Apple not taking the mantle of being part of the OpenAI master race be the number reason why they are now one of the new leaders of technologies as we know it.
Because Windows has always pushed hardware. Not software. We saw the cracks since Windows 8 and it worsened in 10 and is now falling apart at the seams with their OpenAI partnership on 11.
Apple have been ahead of the game by simply taking the back seat with Google.
Apple and Google have been teaming up and even pushing their softwares to newer heights with phones and tablets in a way that computers have failed to push.
And now phones are the new tablets and tablets are the new computers. But the computers are being replaced as a metaverse awaits both the consumers and the businesses in WEB 3.0.
If people could stop resorting to fear every problem that they are not facing alone, then they can be in control of what can go behind their own technology and push a massive boom and a Golden Age of media in a way corporations couldn’t have done alone.
Agreed. Windows didn't need to resort to Recall software. ARM on Windows that performs well would have destroyed MacBook sales.
Recall is like shooting yourself in the foot before a 100m race that you had 99% chance of winning!
@@bradavonIt's not a performance issue, it's a battery life issue. Current gen x86 is actually pretty decent even in low power settings, it just doesn't scale down as far as ARM (Zen 4 and 4c is actually competitive with M3 in terms of performance per watt IIRC, it's just not as efficient in low utilisation scenarios). I've also got a pet theory that part of the reason Windows on ARM is more efficient than x86 is all the refactoring and culling of old code Microsoft had to do to get Windows running on ARM.
Good analysis, but one part was very lazy. This is when it is claimed the only reason to buy a windows laptop over a M-based Mac was work programs, backwards compatibility or gaming. There are a LOT of reasons to prefer windows. For example:
If you want a touchscreen, you choose windows
If you want a laptop you can use a stylus with, you choose windows
If you want a laptop with upgradable RAM, you choose windows
If you want a laptop with upgradable storage, you choose windows
If you want to future-proof your machine with wifi7, you choose windows
If you want a dedicated graphics card, you choose windows
If you want a two-in-one form factor, you choose windows
If you want to spend less than $900, you choose windows
If you want 16 gigs of RAM for under $1,400 you choose windows
If you want 2 tbs of storage for under $3000 you choose windows
If you want a form factor like the Surface Laptop Studio, you choose windows
If you want a form factor like the Zenbook duo, you choose windows
If you want a 17 or 18 inch screen, you choose windows
If you want an OLED screen, you choose windows
If you want to easily share photos from an Android phone, you choose windows
If you want a machine weighing less than 2.5 pounds, you choose windows
If you don't want to lock yourself into the Apple Garden, you choose windows
Macs are perfect if you need a powerful machine with great battery and you can pay the Apple tax. If you don't care about the items above, go for it. I had an M2 Macbook pro and it was great. But let's not pretend there were only three rational grounds for choosing windows over Mac. There's a reason windows has almost 90 percent market share. Lots of reasons, actually.
Well.. With the arm I an not sure about upgradeability of the RAM.
I will configure mine with 32gb, because in think they are limited
but you mix windows on arm and windows on x86\64
You have no clue about this.. 😂 Windows on ARM also lose about half of your statements..
By the way let me ask you if you can buy a HDD and a SSD for about the same price, which one will you choose..? Just because Apple method is the SSD here.. the DDR5 have about 40GB/s transfer speed limit per channel, and you can't really find any laptop with more than 2 RAM slot.. that is about 80GB/s vs 400GB/s in M3 Max.. 5x faster memory.. you need a laptop with 8-10 RAM slots, and a PCIe 8.0 x16 slot for GPU to reach the same 400GB/s bandwith.. so do you prefer the slower HDD or the faster SSD..? And the SSD have the same price tag like the same sized HDD..?
@@TamasKiss-yk4st but you are talking a scenario in which both are the same price (HDD and SSD or whatever). But IRL both are not the same price. Hence why one brand of laptop is much more expensive than the other. That's like saying if the Ferrari is the same price as the Honda which one would u chose. Such a d*mb question
Dude, these people are Apple shills. What do you expect? Marques is an Apple shill, even if he won't admit it.
Worst thing is no version of the surface pro will feature the fastest variant of the X Elite, the x1e-84-100.
Everyone except marques tends to end their sentences in a questionmark tone. It gets exhausting listening to that for a while
everyone on TikTok does this too! I hate this "click bait" accent I don't know the true term but I remember someone talking about how that monotone or question speaking is a form of trying to get you to wait for more since your assuming they'll be a "part 2" to this speech!!
I noticed that too. So annoying.
@@nysfinest5638 id understand if its a random video or a person that is nervous like TikTok sometimes but the guys on here should take a class in speaking and how to lose habits that make you sound uncertain!
on top of that they always over talk each other and in this video spit random specs without searching on a computer in front of them to confirm what specs is for witch build! it feels like there's. too many chefs in the kitchen on this podcast!
They all except Marques have pretty annoying tones
I realised that toooo?? This is how they talkkkk?? Everything is a questionnnnn??
The new Surface Pro keyboard is disgustingly expensive!!
I do hope these PC’s do end up becoming a success, even though there are some privacy concerns… 🙁
Why does it matter to you?
@@mwanafalsafa3613 - Uh, because it does. Got an issue?
@@TotallyEltonJohn seems you can turn off Recall
@@roquemocan - Good to hear!
1- Privacy is a buzzword. Tech companies want and already have your data.
2- Apple said privacy bs because their phone hardware always sucked.
3- You can turn it off, but idk why you should.
4- It's RUNNING LOCAL.
5- You use RUclips. The algorythm already has all your searches for themselves in a Google server. But oh no Microsoft is doing a Mac Time Machine on steroids and everyone is SUDDENLY worried about privacy.
What may sell me Recall is an example someone gave: "I want the Powerpoint with the fishes" and even though the word "fish" wasn't in the PowerPoint, just an image... it was found.
I have a pro X which is my random "I need a bigger screen" couch PC. They've made a lot of big strides with it software-wise. I'm holding out hope that the new big rearch they've done to support arm trickles back down to it and it gets passively way better.
It goes back further than 2019 with the first generation surfaces Windows RT. With the Surface RT.
But the idea didn't take off until 2019. The Surface RT was like Betamax and Laserdisc.
@@bradavon not sure you can say the idea really took off in 2019 either. Lol.
@@Yimir11It arguably did in that the current Windows on ARM development was a direct continuation from the 2019 Surface Pro X, with key software features like x86 emulation that weren't available in RT, and at least nominal continues hardware support between then and now.
Surface Pro X had managed to benefit from fine wine improvements and definitely is better today than it was at launch after many updates.
total recall and inception are not the same thing. For one, inception is about placing a thought not a memory
I have a Surface Pro X. It does what I need it to do. It serves as a second travel computer. The design is fire, espcially the all black one. I could even play Disney Dreamlight Valley on it. xbox game pass works on it. And it's built well. I've had that thing for 4 years. Computers that aren''t macbooks usually don't hold up that long for me. Oh, I also had the Surface RT - got it free at a conference.
I remember really liking the Surface Pro X when I saw it in the wild. Someone had come in to the shop I was working at and was using it to demo a design they wanted printed, and I asked about it. He didn't know much, but told me what it was called. A few months later I was at a Microsoft store and a couple of us bought Surface Pro 7s. I looked at the Pro X at that time too, and thought it was cool, but couldn't justify the price or features compared to what I wanted to use a Surface for. Then I proceeded to basically never use my Pro 7 because the interface always felt clunky to me. It sat on the shelf gathering dust for years, until I finally sold it and bought an iPad Pro, which I use almost daily for all kinds of stuff.
I like my Surface Book. It is all aluminum with a semi attached keyboard that magnetically locks to the screen.
I'm just excited at the idea of being able to find a document on my computer faster than using Google, or just recreating the bloody thing.
Recall sounds like a really convoluted way to accomplish this though, and has substantial privacy implications when you factor in that W11 and a lot of Microsoft apps really, really try and sneakily store all of your "local" data in OneDrive...
If Recall does snaps every 5 seconds it will often not help you with your "i have refreshed feed and then noticed something" scenario. Also, i believe after a backlash it now will be opt-in.
Snapdragon X Elite ❤Windows arm
19:20 Marques lough is so sincere
Arm laptops are fancy tablets
Everyone is losing their minds that getting the OLED screen + Snapdragon X Elite costs $500 more, but no one is making a fuss about the fact that to upgrade from 16GB of RAM + 512GB SSD to 32 GB of RAM + 1 TB SSD costs $600 more, which is pretty ridiculous! now add the keyboard and stylus 🤦🏻♂️
Def like inception but also like total recall
In Inception, other people have to go into someone’s dreams to give them an idea subconsciously, hence the movie’s name. In Total Recall, the technology implants an already fabricated memory, making the person believe the memory is the reality they had already lived. Inception doesn’t alter the main dreamer’s memories of reality and is more of a stealth movie where the emphasis and turmoil is on the people entering the main dreamer’s mind, since the main character’s PTSD memory has entered the dream worlds. It becomes difficult for the main character to distinguish the dream from reality, since they begin jumping into dreams of people in the dreams which by the laws of the movie world, slows down time. This notion of is what is real and what is fake is the main similarity with Total Recall. Further, in Total Recall, since the main character can’t distinguish reality from fiction, the movie’s name is sort of a joke and fitting, since the main character remembers everything consisting of real and fabricated memories
Recall features were already done by AI companies like Rewind (now Limitless). So, the screen recording is already something that has been out there. I have had it on my MacBook for almost a year now. Very useful. Limitless has taken a slightly different approach now, but their Rewind product (exactly like Recall) is still active and functioning.
Just get the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x with X Elite, the perfect windows laptop imo.
Actually Surface Pro X is one of the device that gets better overtime. Compare to when it first release, I actually love it more today.
Totally off-topic, but what's the jersey Marques was wearing?
Opinions on price/value?
Surface Pro, Copilot+ PC
$2.6k
Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) Oled-scherm
Platina
Wi-Fi
32GB RAM
1TB SSD
marques spoke like 10 words the whole video 💀
Everyone else is speaking while reading from their computer. So basically they don't have an idea what they are saying either. I prefer the Marques method; if you don't know what to say, don't say anything at all
6:14 _"it takes a snapshot of your screen every 5 seconds" "and it stores in a cash."_
There better be same damn good safeguards to ensure that the AI ONLY regurgitates information to the user and no one else or this is going to be a massive liability.
I really hope that microsoft doesn't try to push the arm stuff on desktop users. Windows is known for is hardware customization so I hope they don't push arm too far
All of the major players are working on ARM. No Reason to think there wont be socketed ARM desktop CPUs in 10 years
@@DankGankI'm sure it'll be a thing but ARM doesn't really have much of an advantage on desktop - Zen 4 is actually a lot closer than you might think to current ARM architectures in terms of performance per watt in any scenario other than low power lighter usage, and there's some surprising edge cases where the larger instruction set actually confers performance advantages (AVX512 for instance massively boosts PS3 emulation performance)
The iPad Pro Magic Keyboard is great I just wish they squeezed in a little bit of battery in the keyboard
Tensor is much more custom than SQ1, the only real involvement Samsung had was as a fab for hire (which is why they're able to move to TSMC for Tensor 4). That's actually one of the big problems with it, fab process aside they're using bog standard licensed ARM cores instead of hiring a team to tune them up like Apple, or paying another business for a better design.
I don't think I've heard anyone just say they like windows better. Just nonchalantly.
I've used both and prefer windows to. Just give me a good large trackpad and excellent battery life
Linux is great for work for me
They are apple fans and there laptops are also apple. 30 minute video nothing interesting to watch 😔
The conversation, imo, should've leaned into the grandfather of the Apple ARM architecture Gerard Williams and a few other top chip architects are the designers of this chip. If you praised Apple's chips in the past, this should give you confidence. These aren't just repackaged mobile chips. They started out as server-based chips and were redesigned for consumers.
Honestly the push for all these AI features kind of killed it for me.
2 guys 1 mic 😅😅😅
Wait for Apple to show the SAME FEATURE with their Macbook M4 line but with a fancy name and EVERYONE WILL EAT IT UP.
B-but privacy but green bubbles!
Grow up.
The Snapdragon X series are fairly upgradable.
The storage is not on soc. The storage is fully upgradable with any ssd.
The Wifi-7, Bluetooth and 5g moduls is not on soc and upgradable.
Almost all of them Oled with Touch Screen.
The ram is not on soc, it is soldered to motherboard and maybe ,just maybe it can be replaced by LPCAMM2 standard which allow upgradable storage with same performance and power as integrated memory and is going to be used by samsung and is used by Lenovo in thinkpad.
( Think about the tablet like this new surface pro , combining Linux on touch with Linux Desktop(for Arm) in dex like mod. The recent updates allow to run android apps seamlessly very near native apps running on linux).
Surface Pro is far more of a pro product than an iPad Pro. Being a pro level device is not just about pure speed.
I don't believe that the Surface Laptop comes with an OLED display.
More choices in hardware was histiorically a big driver of Windows, also the availability of cheap/free productivity apps. Android solves this and multi-tasks more seamlessly than Windows in a tablet. I see Surface laptops and tablets being DOA with Snapdragon X gen3 becoming the new coin-of-the-realm for everybody but Apple by year's end. Only hope for MS is if they intergrate a killer app like ChatGTP better than anyone else's implementation. DaVinci Resolve is already ported to Linux--and is coming to Android soon--so that ain't gonna cut it
Lenova offers the Yoga with 32 gig
Privacy is a buzzword. Apple made you believe the most basic trick.
Google knows all your data. If you use WhatsApp Facebook has all your data.
And don't get me started with TikTok. But when Microsoft does something similar NATIVELY AND LOCALLY with no Windows server involved, suddenly everyone complains about privacy.
Here are some key takeaways:
- Microsoft announced new Windows laptops and tablets powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon processors, aimed at competing with Apple's M-series chips.
- The new Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 and Microsoft SQ3 chips are branded as "AI processors" with enhanced AI/neural engine capabilities.
- A major new feature is "Windows Recall" which takes periodic screenshots to allow you to search your past activities.
- The Surface Pro 9 tablet gets an ARM-based option with the SQ3 chip and optional OLED display.
- The new Surface Laptop 5 comes in 13.5" and 15" sizes, both with OLED displays and long battery life claims.
- Microsoft is touting better app compatibility through improved emulation compared to past Windows on ARM efforts.
- Overall, Microsoft is making a renewed push into ARM-based Windows PCs to better compete with Apple's M-series and improve battery life.
It's not a" Rosettaesque" since it was before Rosetta.
You talked about the hardware comparison to apple devices, like it’s the most important thing, which is not the case at all, the software is the real deal.
AI is changing the way we interact with the machine, now you can do a lot of tasks without learning, the machine understands you more than you understand it.
I think this time is similar to the time when computers start using the graphic user interface.
These new PCs will be interesting. Hate Mac OS; it was terrible 20 years ago and hasn't improved since. Even if the M4 is better than X Elite, I would never buy one.
I’m a little iffy on the surface laptop display vs other oled options
Recall needs 25GB on the 256GB model. Ot scales up and down.
Dont forget surface RT from 2012
We don’t need just one company to be at the forefront, and that Recall feature is only in Edge it’s like bro be reading stuff all wrong and putting out bad info and then have to come back and say I misread smh
I think recall works everywhere and not just on edge.
On battery performance that's what i am waitin for
Supposedly 15% longer than the M3 Mac Air on straight video playback from an article from The Verge I think
i hope they make it this time
i dont envy microsofts position to have to do this with a rather open ecosystem
It's not extortion to charge that much for a keyboard, if you have other options. For Ipad, you have 3rd party keyboards you can buy. For Microsoft, you have 3rd party devices you can buy. Now RAM and SD space on Apple... yea, that's extortion.
Once Apple figures out how to put games on macOS and have them run natively or through wine like how it is on the steam deck, personally I don’t see a reason to own a Microsoft product, including windows.
Man, it can get up to 64 gigs RAM in black surface laptop and 32gigs in surface pro.
I work for a retailer and they are pushing hard the copilot pc not sure why it’s just pc and they started adding like buy a this pc get a free tv.
I am SO sick of ipad's NONE PRO features.. that I am willing to try surface pro
First time in 2019? Uhh did we forget windows RT back when windows 8 came out ? 😂
which game natively available on Mac is David playing?
I know Samsung is using the same chip and similar ai features
Please 🙏🏽 try one out for a review if you can. I wanna know if it's worth it.
Edit: Talking about the Galaxy Book 4 Edge
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤❤
Good idea for employers, no more solitaire 😅
robo and kala had same keyboard feature, but others was shit
On day one getting it , I will install Linux on it. I an already using linux on my laptop.
Rtx20 series have more TOPS then those ai pc
I just need a windows laptop with nice 13" screen (no need to be an oled), great battery ,works well with office apps (word/powerpoint/excel) and under $1k. That's it Microsoft
Surface Laptop is not oled.
Once the computer is over 5 years old, will I be able to slap Linux on it?
Yes. X Elite is fully supported by the Linux kernel. So basically for the next 20+ years minimum youll be able to use Linux on them. And probably forever unless ARM is ditched and everyone switches to Risc V after that.
@@BibbatronThis is *extremely* reductive - kernel support is only one of many, many requirements to run Linux on a device. The biggest issue here is going to be device firmware - there's no guarantee that these devices use UEFI in the same way that x86 does, and even if they do there's some iffy UEFI implementations around that make Linux support sketchy at best (Linux does run on x86 Surface devices but only with a lot of manual effort, a custom kernel in most cases, and a lot of bugs, for instance).
Surface Laptop 7 has no OLED, it's LCD. Microsoft is Dumb.
RISC v. CISC argument is 30+ years old. ARM has been why Windows phones have sucked, too. Anyone besides Microsoft not developing from the smartphones-first paradigm now? Open-source Linux-Lite (aka Android) with a Windows emulator would long ago have killed off anyone smaller than Microsoft. The breaking of the WinTel alliance/stranglehold with ARM is likely to finish what IBM/Motorola/Apple set in motion
Why would ARM be the reason Windows Phone sucked? It's not like they were running x86 programs on those phones...
Because ARM is Reduced Instruction Set Computing (parallel data channels, more pipes) and Windows is Complex Instruction Set Computing. Phones have used ARM based processors since Motorola was the shit
@@ivaneberle3972 Ok, but Windows Phone wasn't mainline Windows, and didn't have any functions that required the advanced instructions on x86. It also didn't run any Windows x86 applications, all the apps on it were ARM native. Your logic that an OS that at some point ran on x86 will be trash on ARM would imply that MacOS should be horrendous these days much more than it would suggest Windows Phone would be bad, and yet MacOS runs very well on ARM.
The real reason Windows Phone sucked is because it was late to the party and couldn't get enough market share to sustain itself. That's the long and the short of it.
20:04 if you own an iPhone 14 and above. Looks like marques is looking at your Dynamic Island before he comments on it
If those on youtube testing can be believed, the battery is absolute trash.... I wish it wasn't
Arm cpu was too slow for laptop
Why you guys are not informed
Sorry Marquis I don't agree with you this haha. I am a windows kinda guy but I might be buying a Macbook lol.
I will have to agree with MKHD, but, total recall is like permanently change your memory, like permanent storage or rom. Inception is more like volatile memory after the dream it is that a dream it could have happened or not.
Nobody is talking about, “Will recall be really that good or not?”
Qualcomm is just not good at CPUs. It never was. Its only advantage is it can bundle its cellular chips. Where bundling makes sense, Qualcomm sells pretty well. Where cellular chips are not needed, no one wants Qualcomm processors. Their cost, performance and power consumption are just not competitive. Windows should have partnered with another company or designed its own chip like Apple did.
Disagree, Snapdragon 8 completely stomps stock ARM cores for performance and efficiency (this is a huge part of why Tensor sucks in terms of raw CPU performance - they're using stock ARM cores that can't keep up with Snapdragon 8). The 8cx/SQ processors were also decent enough, a huge part of what held them back was bad x86 instruction translation/support rather than raw performance. I agree that they're probably not quite as good as the Apple Silicon equivalent though, and I strongly suspect that the X Elite benchmarks have probably been massaged in some way to boost hype before launch, but being not quite as good as promised doesn't make them bad, they'll probably still be pretty good.
Qualcomm chips in Samsung phones and such have always been very powerful especially the flagships.
Hearing you giving Microsoft crap for calling a device “pro” is so hypocritical when the base model MacBook Pro and the base model Mac Pro exists.
Those people know nothing they just apply fanboys
I hate this podcast I just hate how they try to shit on everything but apple it’s if yall gona talk about tech do it fairly
First com
Lol .he is trying so hard to not explain but talk negative points about surface 😅
The surface rt was first it sucked than the surface pro x came out and it wasn't much better so i will pass for now fool me once shame on you fool me twice than shame on me. I am extremely skeptical of windows on arm software
No thanks this is creepy. I will disable it immediately if I get a device with this feature.
The great thing is that it is optional so easy to switch off in settings. It is entirely on-device though fwiw.
@@mmlewis1030I'm really skeptical of Microsoft's "local only" claim for a couple reasons - first, W11 and most Microsoft software these days defaults to storing stuff in OneDrive, technically locally but in a synced folder that then goes straight to Microsoft anyway, and second, how much encrypted telemetry is running Recall going to involve?
Windows and Android in general have always been about choices and ability to chose how you would want your device to work for you. So giving you the option to turn it completely off or chose a specific app to use it for is a win win. Apple on the other hand control how they want you to use your device, so they would have given you no option to chose how to use it.
Sure, if you like spy ware...
Very sassy and dry comedic podcast today. 😂
Wow, 45 FLOPS and a Microsoft event in "Richmond". Please, if you're going to do a podcast and expect people to watch your next ep, please do some research and get some basic things right. Just plain lazy. It's 45 TOPS (Trillions of Operations per second) and Microsoft's HQ is in Redmond.....
Sad to see everyone's white. MKBHD reminds me of The Green Book. He forgot about his own people.
Hmm. I never really thought about it like that. I’d love to hear his thinking on that someday 🤔.
First
so microsoft can match Apple chip, not the current one, their last one…and it took them all this time (and the Apple employees who pulled it off for them)…and with a fan. This sounds like a disaster for microsoft.
When Ryzen first came out, it was significantly behind Intel in single-threaded performance. Now it is basically the default choice for desktop builds. Building out a CPU ecosystem takes years, and the fact that this thing basically immediately outclasses every other CPU option on Windows laptops out of the gate is a miracle we RARELY see. Qualcomm knows they are not really actually fighting Apple year. Mac users dont really give a shit about what CPU they are running
first of all, "the current one" is M3. there is no M4 in macbooks yet. and ipad with m4 is on ipad os, so not the ideal framework for poductivity, as some people would say.
also, when Apple present their new chip(s), they too compare it to their last one, some times to their before-last one. so it's completely normal for microsoft to present their chip that way.
also, i would like to add, that while apple is mostly being popular for their hardware, microsoft was never a hardware company. the main product here is not the chip, but their AI...
speaking of which... Apple still has no AI features on their devices. and based on recent rumors, to do their AI stuff Apple is collaborating with Open AI... which is microsoft's own company... so in the end, Apple could not pull it off without microsoft.
"this sounds like a disaster for Apple".
and the last thing... microsoft does not need "to catch" anyone. they hold like 90% of computer market worldwide. it's the apple who need to catch up to them. and i hate microsoft. i would like to go to mac, but gaming on them is basically nonexistant. so no matter how powerful their M chips will be, it has no use besides photo and video editing.
@@ivanchizhikov9939 ai is clickbait worthless trash that will only bloat your OS, calling it now. windows is going to tank incredibly hard in the next decade like we've never seen
@@ivanchizhikov9939"it's not yet in their laptops so it doesn't count" has got to be the dumbest argument...
So you're saying Apple's tablets smoke windows best laptops? That's somehow even MORE embarrassing lol
@@ivanchizhikov9939Sure, the M4 isn't available on a laptop yet, but for the moment neither is the X Elite. Let's wait for real world reviews before buying into the hype too much, Microsoft in particular has a long history of seriously over promising with Windows on ARM...
The marketing on x elite is (massively) exaggerated, even if we believe or accept the cherry picked benchmarks, this CPU is still third rate, it only beats the worst Apple CPU (once made, (m3) ) fails to the newest worst cpu Apple makes, (m4) and doesn't compare to year old x86, (7940hs).
Worse than that, x elite is only 10 percent more efficient than that x86 that beats it
Still worse, zen 5 will be out, (or around the corner) when this third rate CPU ships
Still worse, ARM is a lie, it's only appearance of semi equal performance comes from exponentially more transistors than x86.
MS and PC manufacturers are exploiting billions of dollars in (false) marketing of ARM and Apple, hoping the uninformed and gullible falling for this marketing and jumping in.
At best, most should wait for a second gen elite, this first gen is (at best) second rate, offering very little currently in use by most users.
I might get benefit from native AI but I doubt it
Those of you thinking about buying, make sure you get one with max RAM if you want this relevant more than a few years because, of course, SoC RAM.
btw, 32 gigs is not enough, don't even think about 16, and only settle for 32 if you know you're getting the next gen when it arrives
I'd consider buying a surface at it's BASE price IF that price included 64 gigs
By the way, even for common users, there's no such thing as wasted RAM, whatever in excess gets pro-actively saturated with data so the are literally running almost no hard faults
Damn, mt 7 year old, $600 laptop has 32 gigs of ram
Finally what are you talking about windows tablets not being useable!?
They're spectacular, FAR better than iOS and Android with an actual full featured, non crippled operating system on it, and you an run Android apps if that's what you want, I think you just never spent the learning curve on a 2 in 1?
Biased analysis
Windows barely pushed softwares ever since they became so big on hardware.
Apple has been the ones to push softwares to give room for more hardware.
Android has been doing a lot of things similar to Apple and vice versa so they are capable of being in the metaverse with Meta than Windows.
And Playstation and Nintendo are in the works of bringing studio level softwares into their hardwares around third quarter of 2024, making their consoles their own PCs for gamers to create their own contents for Playstation/Sony, Nintendo and Unreal Engine.
And Apple will be the biggest technological leap in 2024 than their competitor Windows and all of Tech industries.
If that is fanboy-ish then you can kiss that Windows 11 goodbye because all your information about Windows being Master Class is going to be passed down to Apple as they are collaboration with Sony, Capcom, Hideo Kojima, Disney, Universal, Warner Bros., 20th century Fox, Netflix, Hulu and many other multimedia businesses than Windows ever will and willing to bring all of it to the metaverse before Windows.
You can tell how much the guys are Apple fanboys. This news is 9 Days old and they're finally discussing it. They're so fanboys they conveniently ignore how use Apple is for most businesses. Apple doesn't even have a Server business to compete with Microsoft's.
This is a clip from their WVFRM Podcast that was done 6 days ago. They just released this section from the full podcast today.
28:47 Two of them literally said they like windows better 😅
No wonder the whole podcast is underwhelming. You can see none of them did their research before coming in. Just reading off of their computer. Some even blurting out inconsistent misinformation before going back to read up on it. Marques, the chief, barely said any words throughout the show. I almost thought he was probably falling sick or something. Like he didn't take his medicine or something. But let this had been an Apple event, oh boy you would see the spark and energy on everyone. They would make 10 different videos and podcasts to showcase it. Their best video editors would come out the woodwork. They would create the best intro and awesome animations that's even better than Apple themselves. The whole room would be filled with so much light, energy, and joy😅.
Yeah, no matter how much they tell u they like windows or use android as their primary phones, even a blind man can see what team they are really on.
Part of why i just turned all Apple was because of this terrible PC based experience where there’s isn’t simplicity in choice. You have to do massive ninja moves just to assess what works & what doesn’t. Seeing breakdowns like this reaffirm my PC exodus. I’m good. I always wanted to try the Surface Pros bit i can’t imagine living confided like this.