I'm a working class bloke and different types of behaviour depends on your working environment. I'm afraid the 'you can't say nuffink nowadays' brigade fail to understand this. I started off working in factories in the late 70's, but had moved into the Civil Service by the mid 80's. Looking back on it now I must have seemed like some feral wild animal, and as I said this was the mid 80's. Now I had two choices in this, carry on upsetting people and act like a wanker or modify my behaviour which would make for a much nicer atmosphere. Many years later when I took on an evening job loading up lorrries to supplement my meagre civil service wage I was suddenly thrown back into an environment very similar to the one I remembered when I started working back in 1978. It is actually possible to tailor your behaviour to the type of people you work with. We've probably all met people who think they're fearless crusaders who say what they think and damn the consequences and my God they're tiresome. Not upsetring your colleagues is just the decent thing to do, and lets face it, if you're upsetting everyone it's you that has the problem. Greg should have realised this, especially in the world of telly. It's called reading the room, it's a life skill most of us learn pretty quickly.
I feel like “the talent “ is pandered to in show biz. If they’re “the personality“ that a show revolves around I get the impression that they get away with all sorts. It’s up to the director and team around them to define the culture of the working environment.
I worked in fresh produce for over 20 years. When I first joined, there were a lot of ex Covent Garden market traders who used colourful language but, over the years, they all adjusted to what was acceptable in a modern working environment. As they all started to retire, the company lost some of the colour and vibrancy that those individuals brought into the workplace.
It's also interesting the extent to which the "you can't say nuffink" brigade get offended if you share a opinion like "that Andrew Tate's a tosser, isn't he?"
As a working class man of a certain age, I fully support the right of all women whatever class or age not to have to put up with inappropriate bawdy humour from the charmless Wallace or anybody else for that matter.
Fathers would not like their daughters or wives to be subjected to this vulgar infantile behaviour on a daily basis..... it's not funny or clever, if anything it's aggressive and in a way controlling. I'm no wimp.... I had to put up with this back in the early 70's, it was thoroughly unpleasant and degrading.
@@Alexander-zr1rn Well mate, as I wouldn't like my wife, mother or daughter to encounter Wallace I think the same applies to you, your comment just made you seem like a sleazeball.
Looking at social media I'm amazed at some of the responses to this story. Imagine the scene: your wife, sister or daughter comes home from work in tears (or son/brother/husband). A coworker asked her about her sex life, made lewd jokes at her expense talked openly and graphically about his sex life and stripped naked/semi naked in the workplace. And so many dads/husbands/brothers/mums/wives/sisters would respond with “Grow ap lav its jass bantaaa” give me strength. Funny how many keyboard geezers out there are crying “woke” to defend Wallace, whilst also failing to show enough masculinity to stand up for, or stand beside, women in deference to a man they've never met. Also amazed how many women defend Wallace with "My supermarket boss used to do this and I was OK" Its a sad state of affairs the cultural grooming in evidence. No one is expecting Greg to be hung drawn and quartered. No one wants to find he’s done himself a mischief tomorrow morning. But a privileged TV career isn't a right. In truth the BBC should have disciplined him years ago, this isn’t their first failure. In many ways his handling of the situation is the real barometer of his character and a true insight into his mind set. “I unreservedly apologise and I will cooperate with any investigation into my conduct, and make appropriate changes” was the only way forwards. But he lacked the self discipline for that as well.
@ thats a technicality though isnt it? Appreciate the legal distinction but Ive worked in commissioning, you establish a performance framework and you check things like complaints, staff misconduct amongst other performance measures. The BBCs record has enough blemishes for them to take their duty of care more seriously not wash their hands of it because “he doesn’t technically work for us”
@@chrisphammondyou can make a perfectly valid comment, which is understandable, which most readers understand your intent and what you meant, but you’ll always get that one comment, that one person with either a “ whataboutism “ or an “…aKtually…..I think you’ll find…..”, as if they’ve pulled the rug from out under your feet. Back in the day we called them wankers….
Agree, it really is disturbing to see the level of support for Wallace and excuses for his behaviour. We have the President elect of the USA and so many others who are engaging in this behaviour. I fear there are just as many who think its ok as there are those of us who abhor it.
I'm not responsible for his behaviour. I don't feel the need at all to stand up, behind or in front of women. As women aren't collectively responsible for individual women and don't stand up, behind or in front of men.
Thank you for clarifying how the complaints about Gregg were not dealt with effectively. A proper apology with some grovelling could probably have saved his career (unless more damning info comes out), but he has very much misread the room and the temperature in it. As a middle class woman of a certain age, I don't feel overly sympathetic towards him now. Like most women, I have seen plenty of men with some power who felt they could say anything to or about a woman, preferably rude and sexual. We are done with accepting it. That is all that has changed. Gregg probably has enough money to retire. He should do so. I am sure the BBC can find a nice working class female foodie to take over Masterchef.
This isn’t really a huge shock. Virtually every time Wallace spoke to a woman on Masterchef either my girlfriend or I would roll our eyes and exclaim “FFS Greg, she’s not going to sleep with you, give it a rest!”
He was terrible in every one of the shopkeepers stories from mid 2010s onwards. Bullying, shouty. Maybe the sergeant-major behaviour was part of the deal as presenter, but it gets tiring pretty quickly
There are tons of Gregg Wallaces, all across the country and every one of them is a total knobhead, convinced of their popularity because people below them in the chain of command in their business have to suppress their disgust at them (or they'll find themselves no longer required). It's up to their bosses to sort them out, tell them to change and make sure they do, or sack them and find someone who can act appropriately. If you don't do that then you are an enabler. By the way, there were groping allegations the other day too so that would raise the seriousness of it all if those claims are true.
The middle aged middle class women of a certain age comment revealed Wallace for who he is in all his vile "glory". What's so disturbing is the amount of support he appears to have online- it all still exists just beneath the surface of "polite" society. Will things ever change? Schools, Hospitals, The Police, The Armed Forces, Harrods and other large organisations public and private. 2000 years of this cannot be eradicated overnight- this is a long hard battle
My sister put up stalker behaviour from a very famous person during her time in television. She was a young researcher at the time, when I asked her why she didn't say something she just said, I don't wanna loose my job. That man still works in television and is revered.
@j.b3561 it's not my story to tell, but yes it still bothers her. It also bothers me cos you wanna do something about it but apart from physically threatening the fella I'm powerless as well.
In any normal workplace this would have led to either a final written warning or dismissal. If you let someone get away with this stuff over and over again then they feel empowered to carry on.
We took 16 children to see Moana on Saturday for my granddaughter’s birthday. It was the first time I’ve been in a cinema where everyone clapped at the end.
Good to hear Richard and Marina’s take on the Wallace saga. Reasonable and nuanced words from Richard regarding how tv productions work. Some of the hysterical online comments you read along the lines of “shut the BBC down now!” are so ridiculous. Of course safeguarding measures need to come into place, it’s an ongoing situation that can be dealt with and then they can become better equipped to avoid similar things happening again.
The simplification of the Greg Wallace issue into 'take your medicine, do some self-reflection, and move on' is really problematic in this episode. Wallace's snarky middle-aged women comment reveals a man who is manifestly incapable of self-reflection.
So over the Greg Wallace hysteria after watching a video compilation of double entendre salaciousnrss from Nigella, Bake Off, Graham Norton, Drag Race and sundry other gay men. Seems certain people get away with being inappropriate and others not.
@@macmachine It's one thing to make a (good) joke using a double entendre, it's quite another time to have to live with it day in and day out even after being told to stop it...
I think you misunderstand what they are saying. They aren't advocating for this reaction. They're saying that's probably what would have been the outcome had Gregg responded with more contrition.
Why are you making excuses for the production companies? Yes,, the BBC should probably have better oversight but the production company should put its own house in order anyway, just like any other company. I understand the younger people not saying anything for the reasons that you've given, and even the slightly older women, but where are the middle aged men? We don't like to see this sort of thing so why didn't any of the established "stars" say anything?
Yes of course i agree, as would (and did) Marina and Richard. But you are watching a podcast about the ins and outs of production companies. Dont be surprised when that podcast tries to explain the ins and outs of a production company.
I feel like the reason the 90s stars are still the ones bringing in theatre goers out is because The people still going to the films are the people that went in the '90s... Going to the movies isn't something as popular as it used to be. Everybody streams everything in one way or another. Being that we all went in the '90s we resonate with those actors and they will bring us back, the next generation. Not so much.
Agree about the need for reviews of the powerful ones. Obviously there would have to be a definite pattern, because the temptation to have an anonymous go at your boss, if you just happen not to get on, would be hard to resist.
I'm 10 or so years younger than Wallace so a slight generational difference but the idea that any woman is going to honesty laugh about you publicly joking about anything sexual is wild to me .....Especially if you look like he does.
@@peterjackson4763presumably you're talking about women laughing at jokes by a superior at work (otherwise the context is entirely different) and yes you may feel you have to. Same with guys who put up with bad behaviour from superiors. It's tough
Where was the BBC in all of this. It seems they could have dealt with this early on in Greg Wallace’s time - whereby he could have either acknowledged the issue and changed his approach, or not. In which case he could have been moved on. Once again this has been allowed to snowball for years and BBC once again have failed to provide a safe space or at least an appropriate professional environment for staff and contestants.
Fascinating to see The Best Christmas Pageant Ever made into a movie again. The 1983 TV movie version (with Loretta Switt) was filmed in my grandparents church in Vancouver, BC. There’s even a half-second cameo by my great-grandmother.
insightful. as they point out there’s clearly an element of him being under pressure to come up with quips and jokes as that’s how the show works to an extent (personally i can’t bear to watch it) but surely they don’t think - that Wallace thinks - that these jokes are going to be aired. the one about the difference between jam and jelly, for instance. that’s not being broadcast on masterchef. it’s ridiculous.
Whoever is his boss is not doing his/her job. Are you so removed from the show that you are unaware of insulting/inapproriate comments? And this chef is clearly full of himself that he is unaware of his abhorent behaviour. Making comments at 7 a.m. smacks of a man unwilling to admit wrong doing.
Gregg Wallace isn't a chef; he used to run a grocery supplier, and he owns a restaurant, but he's never actually worked in a kitchen. It was the other bloke on MasterChef who was the trained chef.
"Think of the things that dominate the top ten shows of any given week", re: working class representations on TV. Soaps, Quizzes, Talent and Reality shows.
My Pacific colleagues would travel to America and would get mistaken for being Hispanic - one time a Hispanic server got mad at one of these colleagues for not replying in Spanish and she apologised and said she didn't know Spanish (yea, she had instilled English cultural norms). I think Moana is liked by Hispanic people because the characters look like them but the story is incredibly new and different.
The only reality show that included Reece-Mogg that I would have any interest in, whatsoever, would be one that ran for at LEAST five years, wherein he was dumped in a manky hostel in Blackpool, on basic benefits. And see how he fares then. He would still be luckier than any genuinely struggling person, because he would know that his ordeal will end, eventually, and he could return to his "normal" life. So it wouldn't be real real. But five years, it would be real enough for me to thoroughly enjoy the spectacle.
Marina is out of sync with my workplace we don't have anything like this in schools, staff are relentlessly professional, television could do this too.
you sound lucky- i am what one would call an old woman and encountered many incidents of inappropriate behaviour in lots of different workplaces over the years-larger than life figures are presumably hired to provide the banter-just seems no-one told greg w where the boundaries were
As someone who has moved in such circles, let me tell you that such behaviour is not anomalous. Many men and some women treat fame as a license to thrill. Show business or being in the public eye more generally just seems to turn some people into insatiable beasts and all these people now dissing Wallace know for sure he's hardly unique. Which I think comes down to fame being the new aristocracy. Famous people like aristocrats having split personalities; by day respectable and discerning'/ by night rakish and decadent. However, I don't think it just comes down to an abuse of power but the psychological pressure of being in the public eye, wherein a persona is created that never swears, never farts, never argues, never gets in a fight. Obviously Wallace found the pressure of his tv persona all too much to maintain. When cameras stopped rolling he just had to let rip. I was mates with a famous actor who was doing a stint in pantomime which he hated. On his nights off he was fouled mouthed, constantly talking about sex, and getting bombed off his face with coke, After a while, I thought he was a bit sad, like he was trying to convince me he wasn't the washed up actor doing panto, in reality he was some edgy dark-horse the public had no clue about, It almost felt like he thought he was doing me favour letting me in on the real him. But it was all a bit pathetic really, like he was trying too hard to impress. Like he was just creating another persona.
First thoughts are, why should Richard apologise for his initial impressions about Wallace. To take this strand to its extremes, I’m sure there were people who thought Hitler was perfectly charming before the evidence suggested he was a wrong ‘un.
I notice in most episodes of this on RUclips, we see stumbles where they then do a re-take of the line is left in the edit. Does that get cut out of the podcast versions, but not the video version?
It happens so very much that women, especially young ones, just end up accepting it as wrong, but inevitable, especially if it’s the man who’s the star of the show. You ask yourself “will they even listen to me?” Truthful answer - probably not. And after failing to get any kind of support, will I get a reputation for being “awkward”? - probably.
Alwight geezer my names Gregg and yes, I can't believe it either; All those years tucking into other peoples food 'cor blimey, a hug in a bowl' just like you I too can't believe that a chancer such as myself got away with it for so long. Nice work if you can get it.
I've found Gregg a bit odd ever since I saw him say he wanted to drink Bailey's out of a shoe on that episode of The Mighty Boosh. Also, I'm pretty sure he had a light-emitting mangina, but I guess one shouldn't discriminate based on that.
Thinking about how GW is now toxic (but Bake-Off innuendo is still seen as a bit of fun) brings to mind the Spinal Tapp scene where the difference between sexist and sexy is explained to the band. And they don't quite get it...
I wish they'd stop calling darts a sport. It's a bloody pub game, lacks any exertion or necessity for physical fitness, it's a fucking pastime. Same as snooker tbh.
@@mj-gb6tr I wish people like you would stop spouting rubbish, but here we are. As tiresome as you might find people calling it a sport, others find your sort of comments just as tiresome.
I feel that people have lost the ability to distinguish between someone who is being a bit of a dick and out of touch and you don't like them versus actually being a criminal
My question is…why do producers do nothing? If it’s money, that’s not good enough. If it’s fear, not good enough. They need to do their jobs. Irrespective of what role the BBC has in this particular situation, they should drop the production company
@@markes5025I’m not defending him. If you thought that. But I would say Wallace is not the boss, he’s an employee as much as the rest of the crew. He may be the on screen talent but still an employee.
Probably there's a requirement for reusability of the shows, so airing on, say, the food channel doesn't look dated. Changing the presenter lineup would place it at a certain time.
In my experience women support women, so if someone is brave enough to speak out we'll believe and support them until proven otherwise. My trigger point was his utter arrogance and then the 'if apology'.
Yes what a terrible thing it was, but let's brush under the carpet the heinous crimes of previous bbc employees like Saville, Huw Edwards, Rolf Harris, Philip Schfeild, Stuart Hall,...
His career is over no matter what the outcome of any investigation..but why do so many people not call out this type of behaviour when it happened, it's always that their either dead or many years later.
23 minutes of the podcast wasted in bewildering, unintelligible, nonsense excuses & speculation regarding the behaviour of a clearly questionable individual, far better that you'd said nothing than offer that spineless string of excuses to listeners which frankly was appalling, & which would have caused yet more hurt, shame, disappointment, & acute feelings of abandonment to those who had the courage to raise their concerns & reveal their most humiliating, shameful & embarassing moments inflicted on them by this person, oh!, I forgot... "allegedly" ....
I appreciate I am not the target audience at 48yo even with two young kids, but I don't get the clamour for Moana. We watched and enjoyed the first one, "You're welcome' and 'Shiny' are good songs, but it's not a patch on the majority of the Disney/Pixar output. I'm also not convinced that the Latino audience are well served by a story about a Samoan God and Princess. (Also re-wrote my comment as it was lost on the first upload of this episode 😁 )
@ My fondest greggalicous memory was when helming a show about food production he suggested that a professional strawberry taster must have very loose bowels. To his face. They don’t make telly like that nowadays. Greggsational!
The majority of British cooking shows are built almost exclusively on innuendo. Look at great British bake off which is basically a carry on film. What about nigella Lawson? Her tv shows are borderline soft porn but because men don’t complain she is fine? I guarantee what she says is far worse than anything Greg Wallace has ever said 🤔
The BBC not knowing imo doesn't stand scrutiny.they are the broadcasters and comisoners of the show Whom WE fund. The "buck" litrally stops with them To suggest that they were not informed is i, if true, is a failure of their responsabilty not a negation of it. And in this as in "in law". Ignorence is no excuse
Reece-mogg show - it just reminds me of when Lawrence Llewlyn-bowen did a similar reality show decades ago for LivingTV ruclips.net/video/h47WdeZ08Fc/видео.html
Hahahaaa, the other reality has been sealed off. Only very few will remember the events that took place... But Richard has still heard stuff. All is well.
I don’t agree that you hear more about this in TV or film. My daughter was a runner and left after regular bullying from the production senior staff not the ‘talent.’ There is little or no accountability and the reason is that staff depend on them for their next job.
More isn't every??!! OF COURSE you're not going to hear about every incident! I've worked in a large factory that had that behaviour I didn't hear about it. Sorry about your daughter but that opinion is simply incorrect.
I don’t think you understood my post? However I have worked in many workplaces over 40 plus years and I have heard and witnessed such behaviours and in a few cases seen some of these reported in newspapers
Well that was a very tame response..you 2 must like him as I expected you to rip into him,you would of done if it was someone like Jim Davidson..disappointing
I'm a working class bloke and different types of behaviour depends on your working environment. I'm afraid the 'you can't say nuffink nowadays' brigade fail to understand this. I started off working in factories in the late 70's, but had moved into the Civil Service by the mid 80's. Looking back on it now I must have seemed like some feral wild animal, and as I said this was the mid 80's. Now I had two choices in this, carry on upsetting people and act like a wanker or modify my behaviour which would make for a much nicer atmosphere. Many years later when I took on an evening job loading up lorrries to supplement my meagre civil service wage I was suddenly thrown back into an environment very similar to the one I remembered when I started working back in 1978. It is actually possible to tailor your behaviour to the type of people you work with. We've probably all met people who think they're fearless crusaders who say what they think and damn the consequences and my God they're tiresome. Not upsetring your colleagues is just the decent thing to do, and lets face it, if you're upsetting everyone it's you that has the problem. Greg should have realised this, especially in the world of telly. It's called reading the room, it's a life skill most of us learn pretty quickly.
Couldn’t have said it better
I feel like “the talent “ is pandered to in show biz. If they’re “the personality“ that a show revolves around I get the impression that they get away with all sorts. It’s up to the director and team around them to define the culture of the working environment.
I worked in fresh produce for over 20 years. When I first joined, there were a lot of ex Covent Garden market traders who used colourful language but, over the years, they all adjusted to what was acceptable in a modern working environment. As they all started to retire, the company lost some of the colour and vibrancy that those individuals brought into the workplace.
It's also interesting the extent to which the "you can't say nuffink" brigade get offended if you share a opinion like "that Andrew Tate's a tosser, isn't he?"
Brilliantly put 👏👏
As a working class man of a certain age, I fully support the right of all women whatever class or age not to have to put up with inappropriate bawdy humour from the charmless Wallace or anybody else for that matter.
Spot on.
As a working class man of 44, grow up and grow a pair
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Fathers would not like their daughters or wives to be subjected to this vulgar infantile behaviour on a daily basis..... it's not funny or clever, if anything it's aggressive and in a way controlling. I'm no wimp.... I had to put up with this back in the early 70's, it was thoroughly unpleasant and degrading.
@@Alexander-zr1rn Well mate, as I wouldn't like my wife, mother or daughter to encounter Wallace I think the same applies to you, your comment just made you seem like a sleazeball.
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I clipped it and have been enjoying multiple Richards saying 'by and large' on repeat for the last 3 hours.
What what was was the the problem problem with with the the original original?
I thought I was going crazy because I couldn't find this video after seeing the thumbnail earlier!
thank you
Apology accepted.
Looking at social media I'm amazed at some of the responses to this story. Imagine the scene: your wife, sister or daughter comes home from work in tears (or son/brother/husband). A coworker asked her about her sex life, made lewd jokes at her expense talked openly and graphically about his sex life and stripped naked/semi naked in the workplace. And so many dads/husbands/brothers/mums/wives/sisters would respond with “Grow ap lav its jass bantaaa” give me strength. Funny how many keyboard geezers out there are crying “woke” to defend Wallace, whilst also failing to show enough masculinity to stand up for, or stand beside, women in deference to a man they've never met. Also amazed how many women defend Wallace with "My supermarket boss used to do this and I was OK" Its a sad state of affairs the cultural grooming in evidence.
No one is expecting Greg to be hung drawn and quartered. No one wants to find he’s done himself a mischief tomorrow morning. But a privileged TV career isn't a right. In truth the BBC should have disciplined him years ago, this isn’t their first failure. In many ways his handling of the situation is the real barometer of his character and a true insight into his mind set. “I unreservedly apologise and I will cooperate with any investigation into my conduct, and make appropriate changes” was the only way forwards. But he lacked the self discipline for that as well.
He doesn't work for the BBC.
The production company he works for is responsible for their own staff discipline.
@ thats a technicality though isnt it? Appreciate the legal distinction but Ive worked in commissioning, you establish a performance framework and you check things like complaints, staff misconduct amongst other performance measures. The BBCs record has enough blemishes for them to take their duty of care more seriously not wash their hands of it because “he doesn’t technically work for us”
@@chrisphammondyou can make a perfectly valid comment, which is understandable, which most readers understand your intent and what you meant, but you’ll always get that one comment, that one person with either a “ whataboutism “ or an “…aKtually…..I think you’ll find…..”, as if they’ve pulled the rug from out under your feet.
Back in the day we called them wankers….
Agree, it really is disturbing to see the level of support for Wallace and excuses for his behaviour. We have the President elect of the USA and so many others who are engaging in this behaviour. I fear there are just as many who think its ok as there are those of us who abhor it.
I'm not responsible for his behaviour. I don't feel the need at all to stand up, behind or in front of women. As women aren't collectively responsible for individual women and don't stand up, behind or in front of men.
Thank you for clarifying how the complaints about Gregg were not dealt with effectively.
A proper apology with some grovelling could probably have saved his career (unless more damning info comes out), but he has very much misread the room and the temperature in it. As a middle class woman of a certain age, I don't feel overly sympathetic towards him now. Like most women, I have seen plenty of men with some power who felt they could say anything to or about a woman, preferably rude and sexual. We are done with accepting it. That is all that has changed. Gregg probably has enough money to retire. He should do so. I am sure the BBC can find a nice working class female foodie to take over Masterchef.
This isn’t really a huge shock. Virtually every time Wallace spoke to a woman on Masterchef either my girlfriend or I would roll our eyes and exclaim “FFS Greg, she’s not going to sleep with you, give it a rest!”
Yes I noticed that too. You could tell how overly excited he got especially when a young pretty contestant was there. Pure cringe.
He was terrible in every one of the shopkeepers stories from mid 2010s onwards. Bullying, shouty. Maybe the sergeant-major behaviour was part of the deal as presenter, but it gets tiring pretty quickly
There are tons of Gregg Wallaces, all across the country and every one of them is a total knobhead, convinced of their popularity because people below them in the chain of command in their business have to suppress their disgust at them (or they'll find themselves no longer required). It's up to their bosses to sort them out, tell them to change and make sure they do, or sack them and find someone who can act appropriately. If you don't do that then you are an enabler.
By the way, there were groping allegations the other day too so that would raise the seriousness of it all if those claims are true.
The middle aged middle class women of a certain age comment revealed Wallace for who he is in all his vile "glory". What's so disturbing is the amount of support he appears to have online- it all still exists just beneath the surface of "polite" society. Will things ever change? Schools, Hospitals, The Police, The Armed Forces, Harrods and other large organisations public and private. 2000 years of this cannot be eradicated overnight- this is a long hard battle
So good to read the comments here as opposed to those on most media sites defending his atrocious behaviour.
I would rather boot my TV screen in , than watch at home with the Rees moggs .
I would rather boot Mogg in.
I think there's a third option
I kicked my TV in and sent GB news the bill
Gregg Wallace and Jacob Rees-Mogg? It's like an episode of the people I'd most hate to be stranded on a desert island with
My sister put up stalker behaviour from a very famous person during her time in television. She was a young researcher at the time, when I asked her why she didn't say something she just said, I don't wanna loose my job. That man still works in television and is revered.
Dying to know who it was. It's difficult to deal with stuff when you're young, need your job and they are famous. I bet your sister is still furious.
Or better still, why doesn't your sister write to him, on paper and tell him what a shit he was.
@j.b3561 it's not my story to tell, but yes it still bothers her. It also bothers me cos you wanna do something about it but apart from physically threatening the fella I'm powerless as well.
In any normal workplace this would have led to either a final written warning or dismissal. If you let someone get away with this stuff over and over again then they feel empowered to carry on.
We took 16 children to see Moana on Saturday for my granddaughter’s birthday. It was the first time I’ve been in a cinema where everyone clapped at the end.
Good to hear Richard and Marina’s take on the Wallace saga. Reasonable and nuanced words from Richard regarding how tv productions work. Some of the hysterical online comments you read along the lines of “shut the BBC down now!” are so ridiculous. Of course safeguarding measures need to come into place, it’s an ongoing situation that can be dealt with and then they can become better equipped to avoid similar things happening again.
The simplification of the Greg Wallace issue into 'take your medicine, do some self-reflection, and move on' is really problematic in this episode. Wallace's snarky middle-aged women comment reveals a man who is manifestly incapable of self-reflection.
So over the Greg Wallace hysteria after watching a video compilation of double entendre salaciousnrss from Nigella, Bake Off, Graham Norton, Drag Race and sundry other gay men. Seems certain people get away with being inappropriate and others not.
@macmachine is it just double entendre stuff with wallace though? Aren't there other allegations too?
@@macmachine It's one thing to make a (good) joke using a double entendre, it's quite another time to have to live with it day in and day out even after being told to stop it...
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I think you misunderstand what they are saying. They aren't advocating for this reaction. They're saying that's probably what would have been the outcome had Gregg responded with more contrition.
Why are you making excuses for the production companies? Yes,, the BBC should probably have better oversight but the production company should put its own house in order anyway, just like any other company.
I understand the younger people not saying anything for the reasons that you've given, and even the slightly older women, but where are the middle aged men? We don't like to see this sort of thing so why didn't any of the established "stars" say anything?
Yes of course i agree, as would (and did) Marina and Richard. But you are watching a podcast about the ins and outs of production companies. Dont be surprised when that podcast tries to explain the ins and outs of a production company.
Greg Wallace is the luckiest fruit and veg market stall worker in the world. How he got the masterchef gig is amazing.
‘A jumped-up pantry boy who never knew his place’
This not so charming man.
He is a walking caricature of a misogynistic geezer. He isn't even the slightest bit witty.
nice reference 👍very appropriate
Great line, great movie and two great actors.
Harvester was empty this morning.
If you watch Chubby Brown, Jethro etc, women laugh the loudest. Gregg plays to an untested audience. He should have known better.
Just swap him for someone who is nicer to people, I prefer the Chefs anyway. Please keep the programmes.
I feel like the reason the 90s stars are still the ones bringing in theatre goers out is because The people still going to the films are the people that went in the '90s... Going to the movies isn't something as popular as it used to be. Everybody streams everything in one way or another. Being that we all went in the '90s we resonate with those actors and they will bring us back, the next generation. Not so much.
Agree about the need for reviews of the powerful ones. Obviously there would have to be a definite pattern, because the temptation to have an anonymous go at your boss, if you just happen not to get on, would be hard to resist.
I'm 10 or so years younger than Wallace so a slight generational difference but the idea that any woman is going to honesty laugh about you publicly joking about anything sexual is wild to me .....Especially if you look like he does.
You really think your last sentence was needed. As if he was better looking, it wouldn't be as bad.
I have seen women publicly laugh about sexual jokes (not made by me).
@@peterjackson4763Because to do anything else in the moment is a safety risk.
@@peterjackson4763 Because if you don't respond in "the expected manner" you put a target on your back for the future.
@@peterjackson4763presumably you're talking about women laughing at jokes by a superior at work (otherwise the context is entirely different) and yes you may feel you have to. Same with guys who put up with bad behaviour from superiors. It's tough
Where was the BBC in all of this. It seems they could have dealt with this early on in Greg Wallace’s time - whereby he could have either acknowledged the issue and changed his approach, or not. In which case he could have been moved on.
Once again this has been allowed to snowball for years and BBC once again have failed to provide a safe space or at least an appropriate professional environment for staff and contestants.
The Greg Wallace episode 🍿🍿🍿
*GG
Mastertw*t
Could you keep your hands from flapping in front of your mouths please 🙏🏼
Fascinating to see The Best Christmas Pageant Ever made into a movie again. The 1983 TV movie version (with Loretta Switt) was filmed in my grandparents church in Vancouver, BC. There’s even a half-second cameo by my great-grandmother.
I preferred the double audio; I thought it was challenging 😊
Greg Wallace was enabled and rewarded by air time.
I really enjoyed the discussion about movies doing well. I don’t know why but it really felt uplifting.
"most people have all sorts of things like this in the workplace and nobody cares and they can't do anything about it"? Really?
insightful. as they point out there’s clearly an element of him being under pressure to come up with quips and jokes as that’s how the show works to an extent (personally i can’t bear to watch it) but surely they don’t think - that Wallace thinks - that these jokes are going to be aired. the one about the difference between jam and jelly, for instance. that’s not being broadcast on masterchef. it’s ridiculous.
Moana 2 started life as several TV episodes turned into a movie.
Marina .. I like the jumper you’re wearing could I ask where it’s from.
Keep up the great work both.
Whoever is his boss is not doing his/her job. Are you so removed from the show that you are unaware of insulting/inapproriate comments? And this chef is clearly full of himself that he is unaware of his abhorent behaviour. Making comments at 7 a.m. smacks of a man unwilling to admit wrong doing.
Gregg Wallace isn't a chef; he used to run a grocery supplier, and he owns a restaurant, but he's never actually worked in a kitchen. It was the other bloke on MasterChef who was the trained chef.
"Think of the things that dominate the top ten shows of any given week", re: working class representations on TV. Soaps, Quizzes, Talent and Reality shows.
But no one in the US could afford eggs a month ago. Mescal isn't pronounced like Pascal. The stress is on the first syllable only
oh god. This is Jacob Rees Moggs bid for Prime Minister
the graduate 2: the postgraduate
My Pacific colleagues would travel to America and would get mistaken for being Hispanic - one time a Hispanic server got mad at one of these colleagues for not replying in Spanish and she apologised and said she didn't know Spanish (yea, she had instilled English cultural norms). I think Moana is liked by Hispanic people because the characters look like them but the story is incredibly new and different.
regards wallace, do the production company not also need to take responsibility? why were they not telling him not to say certain things?
The only reality show that included Reece-Mogg that I would have any interest in, whatsoever, would be one that ran for at LEAST five years, wherein he was dumped in a manky hostel in Blackpool, on basic benefits. And see how he fares then. He would still be luckier than any genuinely struggling person, because he would know that his ordeal will end, eventually, and he could return to his "normal" life. So it wouldn't be real real. But five years, it would be real enough for me to thoroughly enjoy the spectacle.
Marina is out of sync with my workplace we don't have anything like this in schools, staff are relentlessly professional, television could do this too.
wasnt she saying they have the procedures in place to deal with incidents like this, not that incidents like this occur in schools?
you sound lucky- i am what one would call an old woman and encountered many incidents of inappropriate behaviour in lots of different workplaces over the years-larger than life figures are presumably hired to provide the banter-just seems no-one told greg w where the boundaries were
He's going to run as a Repeat UK candidate, watch
As someone who has moved in such circles, let me tell you that such behaviour is not anomalous. Many men and some women treat fame as a license to thrill.
Show business or being in the public eye more generally just seems to turn some people into insatiable beasts and all these people now dissing Wallace know for sure he's hardly unique.
Which I think comes down to fame being the new aristocracy. Famous people like aristocrats having split personalities; by day respectable and discerning'/ by night rakish and decadent.
However, I don't think it just comes down to an abuse of power but the psychological pressure of being in the public eye, wherein a persona is created that never swears, never farts, never argues, never gets in a fight. Obviously Wallace found the pressure of his tv persona all too much to maintain. When cameras stopped rolling he just had to let rip.
I was mates with a famous actor who was doing a stint in pantomime which he hated. On his nights off he was fouled mouthed, constantly talking about sex, and getting bombed off his face with coke,
After a while, I thought he was a bit sad, like he was trying to convince me he wasn't the washed up actor doing panto, in reality he was some edgy dark-horse the public had no clue about,
It almost felt like he thought he was doing me favour letting me in on the real him. But it was all a bit pathetic really, like he was trying too hard to impress. Like he was just creating another persona.
The sad thing about the box office is that the top ten are either sequels or IP ….not one original thought in the top ten movies whatsoever….
The only think I’ve heard about Denzel in gladiator is that he refused to do an accent and it throws you when he speaks
That "The Graduate" legacy sequel sounds hysterical! 😂 47:28
Oh please god let us not allow our government to get involved in anything other than politics.
Don't worry your little head about such things Lily my dear. Now, when's dinner ready?
First thoughts are, why should Richard apologise for his initial impressions about Wallace. To take this strand to its extremes, I’m sure there were people who thought Hitler was perfectly charming before the evidence suggested he was a wrong ‘un.
Makes you wonder why he is
hitler was a vegetarian and animal lover.. i expect the first world war and meths n coke might of played a part in his behaviour
I notice in most episodes of this on RUclips, we see stumbles where they then do a re-take of the line is left in the edit. Does that get cut out of the podcast versions, but not the video version?
How is that Mogg thing a Documentary?
Oooh, screens are uncomfortably too near.
"Are they the new Kardashians?" Betteridge's Law of Headlines
Does "Roll their eyes and get on with their job" not translate as they knew but chose to do nothing?
It happens so very much that women, especially young ones, just end up accepting it as wrong, but inevitable, especially if it’s the man who’s the star of the show. You ask yourself “will they even listen to me?” Truthful answer - probably not. And after failing to get any kind of support, will I get a reputation for being “awkward”? - probably.
which level of Space Invaders is Marina dressed as?
I feel like the always sunny me too episode got this pretty correct
I LOVE Marina's sweater. Where can I get one?
Alwight geezer my names Gregg and yes, I can't believe it either; All those years tucking into other peoples food 'cor blimey, a hug in a bowl' just like you I too can't believe that a chancer such as myself got away with it for so long. Nice work if you can get it.
I'm glad I'm not watching this in 3d , I'd be afraid of Richard's MASSIVE hand knocking my armchair over every time he gesticulates toward camera.
I'm more afraid of windmill arms, would Marina be silent if fitted with a straight jacket, I'd hate to chat to her in an elevator😅
@@relayer27 @heathcotepursuit8 belt up the pair of you
I've found Gregg a bit odd ever since I saw him say he wanted to drink Bailey's out of a shoe on that episode of The Mighty Boosh. Also, I'm pretty sure he had a light-emitting mangina, but I guess one shouldn't discriminate based on that.
I have one question after watching this podcast... Marina, is your jumper a space invaders jumper??
Thinking about how GW is now toxic (but Bake-Off innuendo is still seen as a bit of fun) brings to mind the Spinal Tapp scene where the difference between sexist and sexy is explained to the band. And they don't quite get it...
Why are the subtitles not working 😢
Did any men ever notice/comment on/call out GW behaviour? Was Torode oblivious?
I wish they'd stop calling darts a sport. It's a bloody pub game, lacks any exertion or necessity for physical fitness, it's a fucking pastime. Same as snooker tbh.
@@mj-gb6tr I wish people like you would stop spouting rubbish, but here we are. As tiresome as you might find people calling it a sport, others find your sort of comments just as tiresome.
Marina still ecstatic after nailing the introduction
I don't get the big deal with tacos either.
There are many other foods I would rather eat.
Just watched Newsnight... sounds like more than just adults saying things to adults.
I feel that people have lost the ability to distinguish between someone who is being a bit of a dick and out of touch and you don't like them versus actually being a criminal
Moana and others have been translated into Maori in New Zealand.
i have the best Taco Bell memories from visiting USA in the 1990s...Richard is missing out!
My question is…why do producers do nothing? If it’s money, that’s not good enough. If it’s fear, not good enough. They need to do their jobs. Irrespective of what role the BBC has in this particular situation, they should drop the production company
But it is money. And they are not the victim. it's much easier to not take it seriously if it doesn't bother you. And Wallace is the boss.
@@markes5025I’m not defending him. If you thought that. But I would say Wallace is not the boss, he’s an employee as much as the rest of the crew. He may be the on screen talent but still an employee.
They probably have a very heavy schedule and producing one episode isn't their only job. It doesn't take much to turn you into Hitler does it?
Their job is to produce content and make money. So yes, money is a good reason they don’t do anything. It sucks but that’s literally their job.
Probably there's a requirement for reusability of the shows, so airing on, say, the food channel doesn't look dated. Changing the presenter lineup would place it at a certain time.
Wallace - as thick & about as much talent as mince!
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In my experience women support women, so if someone is brave enough to speak out we'll believe and support them until proven otherwise. My trigger point was his utter arrogance and then the 'if apology'.
Women want to go to work and not be felt up - is that unreasonable?
Straight men would not want the same from...... or would they accept that?
Yes what a terrible thing it was, but let's brush under the carpet the heinous crimes of previous bbc employees like Saville, Huw Edwards, Rolf Harris, Philip Schfeild, Stuart Hall,...
to be fair gordon the gopher was of legal age in gopher years
By and large.
His career is over no matter what the outcome of any investigation..but why do so many people not call out this type of behaviour when it happened, it's always that their either dead or many years later.
Wouldnt have said a peep to ronnie pickerings mrs 💪
Mowaner?!! Pretty sure its Moana!
A south London former greengrocer indulging in "sexual banter" with female colleagues. Well I am shocked 😉😂
You've just made it even more boring and tiresome. Thumbs down. Looking forward to Q and A on Friday.
23 minutes of the podcast wasted in bewildering, unintelligible, nonsense excuses & speculation regarding the behaviour of a clearly questionable individual, far better that you'd said nothing than offer that spineless string of excuses to listeners which frankly was appalling, & which would have caused yet more hurt, shame, disappointment, & acute feelings of abandonment to those who had the courage to raise their concerns & reveal their most humiliating, shameful & embarassing moments inflicted on them by this person, oh!, I forgot... "allegedly" ....
I appreciate I am not the target audience at 48yo even with two young kids, but I don't get the clamour for Moana. We watched and enjoyed the first one, "You're welcome' and 'Shiny' are good songs, but it's not a patch on the majority of the Disney/Pixar output. I'm also not convinced that the Latino audience are well served by a story about a Samoan God and Princess. (Also re-wrote my comment as it was lost on the first upload of this episode 😁 )
3:58 who's that? Haha.
?BBC farming out production , gives them very good plausable deniability.
Huw Edwards - monster of depravity cheerfully defended by Jon Sopel et al
Greg(g) - complete and utter prat not defended by Jon Sopel et al
Ggreg
@ My fondest greggalicous memory was when helming a show about food production he suggested that a professional strawberry taster must have very loose bowels. To his face. They don’t make telly like that nowadays. Greggsational!
Definitely heading to GB news.
Did you do one about Huw?
Yes
The majority of British cooking shows are built almost exclusively on innuendo.
Look at great British bake off which is basically a carry on film.
What about nigella Lawson? Her tv shows are borderline soft porn but because men don’t complain she is fine?
I guarantee what she says is far worse than anything Greg Wallace has ever said 🤔
The BBC not knowing imo doesn't stand scrutiny.they are the broadcasters and comisoners of the show Whom WE fund. The "buck" litrally stops with them
To suggest that they were not informed is i, if true, is a failure of their responsabilty not a negation of it.
And in this as in "in law".
Ignorence is no excuse
Reece-mogg show - it just reminds me of when Lawrence Llewlyn-bowen did a similar reality show decades ago for LivingTV ruclips.net/video/h47WdeZ08Fc/видео.html
Hahahaaa, the other reality has been sealed off. Only very few will remember the events that took place...
But Richard has still heard stuff. All is well.
I don’t agree that you hear more about this in TV or film. My daughter was a runner and left after regular bullying from the production senior staff not the ‘talent.’ There is little or no accountability and the reason is that staff depend on them for their next job.
More isn't every??!! OF COURSE you're not going to hear about every incident!
I've worked in a large factory that had that behaviour I didn't hear about it.
Sorry about your daughter but that opinion is simply incorrect.
I don’t think you understood my post? However I have worked in many workplaces over 40 plus years and I have heard and witnessed such behaviours and in a few cases seen some of these reported in newspapers
I think Richard should be the Director General of the BBC!
Well that was a very tame response..you 2 must like him as I expected you to rip into him,you would of done if it was someone like Jim Davidson..disappointing
I genuinely think you are betting than this Richard, discuss something relevant, get off the band wagon it’s disappointing