Just picked up my first 6mm. Thanks for helping me get a leg up before the gun even arrives. As a RUclips creator I know what it takes to put this stuff out and you sir, are doing a fantastic job. Looking forward to seeing where the channel goes. Cheers, Layne at Master Engraver TV.
It does, but there is no exact guarantee that the video timing was lined up. According to ballistics data it would take about .57 seconds to get to 500.
That cold bore flyer was hell on your group but i do respect you showing it how it is. My 50s barrel is due for replacement and im spending extra time on my sub gun. My times and shot placement are adequate but improvement is always desirable. I know our worlds are different but i do enjoy watching a proven shooter such as yourself. Have a good day.
Thanks for all the 6 creed info. I'm shooting 6creed for fclass this year. It hasn't been cheap finding a good load though. H4350 would not shoot at all. Switched to h4831 sc now. It's been my best powder for accuracy.
Great Video. I love the relaxed presentation style, as it makes me feel like I am right next to you. I would love to see a comparison video of the features that you get out of the Accuracy International rifle at $7000 plus versus the Tikka rifle at less than 2 grand. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll take both!
Do u plan on being able to shoot enuff to have to worry about barrel life that must be nice to have to consider that i work 6 sometimes 7 days a week 10 to 14 hours a day with an hour drive to work i have no time to shoot but im trying to get to retirement in the next 30 years then maybe i can go shooting more
Cool video. I had a question about cleaning. I have a Howa 1500. In 6.5cm. It shoots half inch so I know it’s a shooter. How often should I clean and de-copper the barrel. When I look in the crown end I see lots of copper. The last time I de-copper the barrel was about 300 rounds ago. I had to use sweets 762 and there is still a little in the crown end. I’m not going to worry about it. It’s a factory barrel so I know there’s probably lots of imperfections. Do your custom barrels copper up as much as factory barrels? I thru a lot at ya there but I just want your take. Should I worry about all the copper in the barrel?
Hey Bryan, I typically don’t make it to 300 rounds before cleaning. I haven’t used Sweets in years. I would look into some Bore Tech copper remover. Typically, custom barrels don’t seem to hold the copper that production barrels do.
That was some good shooting guys. I have 2 questions. 1) do you really have that much land to shoot 500yds or is that a public or private range? 2) what's the difference between 6.5 Creedmor and the 6.5 Grendal? I know where the Creedmore go it's name as a matter of fact there use to be a mental hospital in Creefmore, NY when I was about 8 or 9 the day camp I went to took us on trips to a public park similar to any park you would go to to have picnics or play softball. Ah the days of our youth huh.
My barrel is cold I went out and shot the same target 🎯 every day for 1 week one shot and most of the shots were in 1/2 of each one at 445 yards but I dry fire 🔥 it before I shoot the target 🎯 it’s got to feel right!!
Can you please test the new magtech 6.5 Creedmoor ammo. It's inexpensive and hopefully will work as good as sellier & bellot which has been seen with a SD of 10. Magtech bullets are longer and pointier than the round nose of S&B & use CBC Brass. They are the same price 65 cents a round. This could get more people shooting
Hi Ray! Another great comparison video! I’m wondering what your favorite load data is for your AI 6.5CM. I just got my 6.5CM 26” barrel for my AXMC. I’ll be using Lapua brass with small rifle primer. I know my mileage may vary, but I’m looking for info to get me started. I was thinking on 140gr Berger hybrids, but would like your input. Thanks again, and keep up the good work!!
Hey Ray...I was thinking on getting some Lapua brass in 6.5 CM. Do you load the brass with the large or small rifle primers? Both are available in Lapua. Thanks for the great videos!!
X-RING really love the content. I have not committed to 6CM or 6.5CM yet, I want to be able to spot my own misses/hits so recoil is important. Only thing holding me back on 6CM is barrel life. How significant is the recoil difference between 6.5 and 6? Would rather spot my own as primary benefit I'm looking for.
Question on the Cold Bore Shot - obviously you don't get to warm the barrel in PRS, do you keep track of all of your cold bore shots separate from the rest of the group and adjust for that first shot?
Hello and thanks for watching. I have about 1300 rounds on that particular barrel and it is still printing great sub minute groups for me. I have some friends with over 2500 rounds out of their 6mm Creeds and they are about at the end of their barrel life. It really depends on your firing schedule and how hard you run the rifle.
Partially, great question. I would say 6.5 CR for doing it all. Matches, long range, general plinking. The 6mm CR only if you handload and want to get into competition long range shooting and want that extra little edge.
Hello Salmon, I no longer hunt. I did for a really long time and used .308 and .300 Win Mag exclusively. Covered everything I would ever need to shoot in North America.
Using the exact same load and barrel, how much accuracy do you think you would lose on a gas gun at 500 yds compared to the speed you would gain? That's my dilemma right now.
Great question Troy. I tried that with two 6.5CR gas guns. They are very accurate but they are never going to be a bolt gun. It really depends on what size targets you intend to engage.
@@XRING hmmm ... I'm thinking of a PRS match. What would you say the avg MOA of a 500 yd target is in a PRS style match? BTW, loving your 6 / 6.5 vids right now.
Why bother cleaning all the copper out. There are a lot of guys that never clean the copper out of the barrel, me being one of them and the accuracy is always great. Not complaining just asking.
Great question John. Sooner or later your accuracy will diminish with too much copper fouling. The longer you wait the longer it takes to remove. If it’s just shooting at steels and plinking it’s no big deal. However, for people trying to shoot the smallest group sizes possible it does matter. Hope this answers the question.
Thanks Ray for doing all the research for us.
My pleasure Charles. Just documenting the adventure. Thanks for watching.
Just picked up my first 6mm. Thanks for helping me get a leg up before the gun even arrives. As a RUclips creator I know what it takes to put this stuff out and you sir, are doing a fantastic job. Looking forward to seeing where the channel goes. Cheers, Layne at Master Engraver TV.
I realize I'm kinda off topic but do anyone know of a good site to stream newly released movies online?
3 hits on a 1" target at 500 yards! That was awesome.
Nice comparison I am glad to see you pushing Rick he is getting better every day
Great shooting. Thanks for sharing the video.
Thanks Joaquin and thanks for watching.
Good info Sir! That bullet really gets out there at 500 quick!
It does, but there is no exact guarantee that the video timing was lined up. According to ballistics data it would take about .57 seconds to get to 500.
Looks like you guys found the recipe that works! Very impressive at 500 yards. I have a couple of ya'lls videos to catch up on. Great stuff as always
Good job as good comparison as love the information....Good stuff....
Thanks Scott
That cold bore flyer was hell on your group but i do respect you showing it how it is. My 50s barrel is due for replacement and im spending extra time on my sub gun. My times and shot placement are adequate but improvement is always desirable. I know our worlds are different but i do enjoy watching a proven shooter such as yourself. Have a good day.
Thank you Robert. I appreciate yours and everyone’s comments on the channel. The clean cold bore definitely made a difference.
Thanks for all the 6 creed info. I'm shooting 6creed for fclass this year. It hasn't been cheap finding a good load though. H4350 would not shoot at all. Switched to h4831 sc now. It's been my best powder for accuracy.
Thanks JP and thanks for the feedback. I am hearing many people are shooting H-1000 to keep the barrels from burning up so quickly.
Great shooting guys keep it up enjoying the content and information is amazing
Good shooting with the wind gusting
Thanks Talking Rock.
It would really help me out if you would do at least 2 1.5 -2 hour videos every day indefinitely. Thanks
LOL! That would be too much like work! 🤣. Thanks for watching the content.
I love my 6.5 creed in the aero precision AR 10 platform. Half moa shooting Hornady 120 match.
Great Video. I love the relaxed presentation style, as it makes me feel like I am right next to you. I would love to see a comparison video of the features that you get out of the Accuracy International rifle at $7000 plus versus the Tikka rifle at less than 2 grand. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll take both!
Thanks Quality Guru. That would be a good video and they both shoot incredibly well. Tough one to justify for sure.
very good !
Thanks John! I hope you are having a good week.
You guys are some distant thunder bringing snipers, I can hardly see my sights anymore ~ let alone those tiny targets y'all are blasting.
Just having fun and sharing the results Fumasterchu
I know of what you speak . Only answer is …. MORE MAGNIFACATION !! ; )
Sweet!
Thanks Todd!
Love the info. Building a 6.5 ar platform with a primary arms 3x18 apollo.
Nice John, I have used that scope and it did very well.
as long as minimal difference, ill stick with 6.5, longer barrel life.
That’s one of the reasons I wanted to go down this rabbit hole.
Do u plan on being able to shoot enuff to have to worry about barrel life that must be nice to have to consider that i work 6 sometimes 7 days a week 10 to 14 hours a day with an hour drive to work i have no time to shoot but im trying to get to retirement in the next 30 years then maybe i can go shooting more
@@samrowe2889 Go to school and get a better job. You have a choice.
You are having too much fun Ray
We only get one chance at life with no guarantee for tomorrow. Make every day a great one!
X-RING you are so right my friend be safe
Good shooting guys!
Thanks Lonz!
Chomping at the bit for 6.5 Grendel content
Been shooting it for 5-6 years (when it was hard to get data for)
Cool video. I had a question about cleaning. I have a Howa 1500. In 6.5cm. It shoots half inch so I know it’s a shooter. How often should I clean and de-copper the barrel. When I look in the crown end I see lots of copper. The last time I de-copper the barrel was about 300 rounds ago. I had to use sweets 762 and there is still a little in the crown end. I’m not going to worry about it. It’s a factory barrel so I know there’s probably lots of imperfections. Do your custom barrels copper up as much as factory barrels? I thru a lot at ya there but I just want your take. Should I worry about all the copper in the barrel?
Hey Bryan, I typically don’t make it to 300 rounds before cleaning. I haven’t used Sweets in years. I would look into some Bore Tech copper remover.
Typically, custom barrels don’t seem to hold the copper that production barrels do.
@@XRING absolutely agree. Plus boretech is great products. Used exclusively in all my custom barrels.
That was some good shooting guys. I have 2 questions.
1) do you really have that much land to shoot 500yds or is that a public or private range?
2) what's the difference between 6.5 Creedmor and the 6.5 Grendal?
I know where the Creedmore go it's name as a matter of fact there use to be a mental hospital in Creefmore, NY when I was about 8 or 9 the day camp I went to took us on trips to a public park similar to any park you would go to to have picnics or play softball. Ah the days of our youth huh.
LOL! It is a private range. The 6.5 Grendel is based off of a 7.62x39 case. Just think, really short 6.5 Creedmoor that works well in gas guns. 😂
@@XRING I was going to say you own a lot of land to have a 500yd target 😆. Thanks for the education 😉
My barrel is cold I went out and shot the same target 🎯 every day for 1 week one shot and most of the shots were in 1/2 of each one at 445 yards but I dry fire 🔥 it before I shoot the target 🎯 it’s got to feel right!!
You never showed the 6.5Creedmoor group at the end and what it measured
I have both and they both shot great it's what you like to load for one is not better then the other. Move on!
I think the 6mm will have a slight edge with recoil management if you are handloading. Thanks for watching.
Love your content....Have you ever tried or thought about trying the Tacticam camera? It would be nice to get your perspective while shooting.
Can you please test the new magtech 6.5 Creedmoor ammo. It's inexpensive and hopefully will work as good as sellier & bellot which has been seen with a SD of 10. Magtech bullets are longer and pointier than the round nose of S&B & use CBC Brass. They are the same price 65 cents a round. This could get more people shooting
I think that’s the only downside to the six Creedmoor...It’s a barrel burner.
You are correct. But it is well worth it for competition.
Hi Ray! Another great comparison video! I’m wondering what your favorite load data is for your AI 6.5CM. I just got my 6.5CM 26” barrel for my AXMC. I’ll be using Lapua brass with small rifle primer. I know my mileage may vary, but I’m looking for info to get me started. I was thinking on 140gr Berger hybrids, but would like your input. Thanks again, and keep up the good work!!
Hey Ray...I was thinking on getting some Lapua brass in 6.5 CM. Do you load the brass with the large or small rifle primers? Both are available in Lapua. Thanks for the great videos!!
Thanks Scottymaker. I use the small primer pocket brass for 6.5 and 6mm creedmoor. Thanks for watching.
X-RING really love the content. I have not committed to 6CM or 6.5CM yet, I want to be able to spot my own misses/hits so recoil is important. Only thing holding me back on 6CM is barrel life. How significant is the recoil difference between 6.5 and 6? Would rather spot my own as primary benefit I'm looking for.
Question on the Cold Bore Shot - obviously you don't get to warm the barrel in PRS, do you keep track of all of your cold bore shots separate from the rest of the group and adjust for that first shot?
NicevideoRay, I'd like to get a 6grendal barrel for my 6.5. Any suggestions?
Proof, Bartlien, Douglas just to name a few. The first two are my go to barrels.
I'm taking in a lot of information, thanks again!
Hello Ray, seeing that this video is posted three years ago do you mind telling me how long your 6 mm Creedmoor barrel lasted you? How many rounds?
Hello and thanks for watching.
I have about 1300 rounds on that particular barrel and it is still printing great sub minute groups for me.
I have some friends with over 2500 rounds out of their 6mm Creeds and they are about at the end of their barrel life.
It really depends on your firing schedule and how hard you run the rifle.
@@XRING thanks sir! Love your channel have a great day👍
Do you feel comfortable stating that 6mm CR is a better choice than 6.5 CR for long distance shooting only if you handload?
Partially, great question. I would say 6.5 CR for doing it all. Matches, long range, general plinking. The 6mm CR only if you handload and want to get into competition long range shooting and want that extra little edge.
The caliber of the spotter if you could find one!
Don't know where to put this question, but here it goes :)
Do you hunt?
If you do, what rifle/caliber are you using the most??
Hello Salmon, I no longer hunt. I did for a really long time and used .308 and .300 Win Mag exclusively. Covered everything I would ever need to shoot in North America.
Why didn’t ya show ricks group 🤔 lol did he have a better group 😆👍🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
What rifle and scope combo is that?
can i shoot 6.5 creedmoor in my ruger precision 6mm creedmoor?
Without a new barrel, absolutely not.
Using the exact same load and barrel, how much accuracy do you think you would lose on a gas gun at 500 yds compared to the speed you would gain? That's my dilemma right now.
Great question Troy. I tried that with two 6.5CR gas guns. They are very accurate but they are never going to be a bolt gun. It really depends on what size targets you intend to engage.
@@XRING hmmm ... I'm thinking of a PRS match. What would you say the avg MOA of a 500 yd target is in a PRS style match? BTW, loving your 6 / 6.5 vids right now.
I think your load data is dead on , X-Ring !!!!!!!
Thanks Jerry. I am good with that load for now.
What's the difference on a 6mm and the 6.5 creedmoor ?
bullet weight and recoil.
Why bother cleaning all the copper out. There are a lot of guys that never clean the copper out of the barrel, me being one of them and the accuracy is always great. Not complaining just asking.
Great question John. Sooner or later your accuracy will diminish with too much copper fouling. The longer you wait the longer it takes to remove. If it’s just shooting at steels and plinking it’s no big deal. However, for people trying to shoot the smallest group sizes possible it does matter. Hope this answers the question.
Should be consistant
Looked like to me it compared the shooters.