Do u have links to materials to learn, I want to self-learn myself, am a it worried about my future child someday growing up in a secular environment. Praying God provides a Godly wife.
@@oderaigwebuike8006 I firmly believe secular morality is better than a theistic one. After all, our constitution IS secular. And the Bible, is , quite frankly, an immoral book. It certainly was used to support slavery in the US. And it promotes misogyny and homophobia, as well as child abuse (beating).
That's why the United States is one of the few first world countries that makes going to university so expensive, right? Because if students can go to university, then they can learn philosophy, logic, ethics, Latin, history, etc., right? Therefore, you should push to have tuition-free schools funded by tax dollars like every other civilized country, so that your citizens can be educated thinkers, right? Glad we've agreed.
My brother received a better (I think) education that I did. He was six years ahead of me and was able to take a Latin and advanced math in high school. Later he majored in Greek before he entered medical school, in addition he received a law degree while he was practicing. This type of education would help ANYONE to achieve and fulfill their own needs. I thoroughly recommend this presentation.
We are just making this jump in incredibly High rated School district that isn’t challenging our children. I’m so excited for them. The cost is an enormous stretch for us but I hope will be able to make it work
+Rebekah Hagstrom Hi Rebekah, Could you please let me know the name of the school in Rochester that you mentioned at the beginning of this talk? Thanks!
+jeremiah3754 Free thought is a delusion. Witness Rebekah. She dresses like all white ladies of her class, she uses the same speech patterns, her ideas are common to people of her class and age, and all of her ideas and choices are strict bourgeoisie-stuff. True free thought is like the growth of a wild plant; the end result in no way resembles a potted plant...which is what Rebekah is in every possible way.
+Delphinium Flower It most certainly is not a far cry from the Judeo Christian perspective. The Judeo-Christian worldview has always held that the natural man even apart from Divine Revelation is capable of discovering and formulating certain permanent and eternal truths. That they are created with the Image of God just like all of humanity and have the faculty of reason. St. Paul says as much in Romans. That's why some of the great Christian thinkers like Sts. Augustine & Thomas could appeal to Plato and Aristotle to defend concepts like natural law,virtue, the soul, and universals. St. Jerome was a devoted reader of Cicero who was another Latin defender of natural law. She is misrepresenting nothing. You are on the other hand are misrepresenting the Judeo Christian worldview as being inherently hostile to the non Christian Greek/Latin world.
Brava! This struck a major chord -- I've been complaining about the lack of a classical education in America for almost 50 years! I agree completely; the world would be a much better place if most folks had better educational grounding.
This system would really be beneficial for all of mankind. The problem is that the elites do not wish for the average person to become above average because they would no longer be elite for long. Great talk. Hope we can change the world by thinking like this. God bless.
I discovered classical education last spring at our state homeschool convention, I was so excited to start that journey with my 5 year old. What excited me the most was what you discussed here, what better gift to give my child than an education based on the time tested knowledge of the greatest minds throughout history. I'm concerned about what our country and our world will look like when she is adult but it gives me comfort to know that she will not only be brought up with a faith in a sovereign God but also with the ability to be a well educated critical thinker. I feel that will be more important than ever.
+Beth Shepherd Beth, what a tremendous gift you're giving your daughter. An education of this sort is the greatest gift you can give your child: teaching her how to learn and think on her own; and that all knowledge falls under God's sovereignty. If you have the energy, I'd challenge you to pray about whether or not God might be calling you to start your own school of this sort so more children may benefit from this type of education in your area. If you are led to do so, please contact me again and I'll do what I can to help you through our own program. Blessings. Rebekah
Looking into this for my first grader, she is so brilliant I feel like I am stifling her by putting her in a regular school. She is already reading at a 5th grade level and is honestly smarter than me. I feel woefully under qualified to help her recognize her potential and it keeps me up at night. I wish I were better educated myself.
Don’t worry about one thing: If she didn’t feel loved and supported by you, she wouldn’t be able to effectively learn anything academically or while at school! I cannot stress enough to you, how important this is to her development! So, you’re doing a great job already in providing a loving foundation that also serves as a springboard to learning!
I’m sure you did the best that you could with what was available to you! Just make sure to encourage and support your daughter’s education and expose her with good material which you can learn about through videos like these!
This is the education I have always longed to have. But, say "classical education" in my country and you'll pass off as a snobby elitist. Thank you Madam for reviving the spirit and the wisdom of the centuries.
I wish I had a classical education growing up. Really makes you wonder what your life could of been like had we been educated how we needed, and by what peaked our interests.
I like the approach they take for "teaching how to learn". Showing them *methods* and making them engage in them, so they learn how to successfully apply them, but then leaving it to the children's self-developed logical thinking and priorities (that they have also been instructed about, but obviously that's automatically affected by natural personality-development) to decide which of the methods to apply. I'm not religious, and seeing a religious institution work like that and bring so many other benefits makes me respect your faith so much more. But beyond that, the education system you propose is simply impressive compared to how education currently works in just about all countries of the work (with way too little focus on teaching behaviour and habit forming).
Highschool senior here, too. My tenth grade English teacher dedicated a semester to rhetoric. That's all I got for a classical education. Well I attend a public highschool in Illinois, so that may explain it--low funding for education unless it's Chicago.
Outstanding. In light of today's hostile and divided atmosphere, many of us I am sure have asked ourselves how we got to this place of incivility. I have always contended that it starts with our educational system. I hope some of you will share this video about a time-tested approach that we should re-visit. I further encourage you learn about John Taylor Gatto by watching the wonderful videos on his RUclips Channel on the history of our education system and how we got to where we are.
I was so lucky to stumble across a classical school by complete accident. I worked there for over a year in their after care. I had to stop to begin my internship at a public school to obtain my education degree. I miss that classical school sooo much! Working for the last year in the public school during my internship has been nothing but frustrating and discouraging. I can not wait to graduate next month and be free to go back to the classical school. I am not cut out to teach anywhere else. Classical schools are the only places I believe are truly creating future leaders.
Great talk. I'm looking forward to our first parent practicum with Classical Conversations. And I am pleased to find that there are classical education schools as well. It gives us options for the future.
Mr. Lupin. I'm not sure where you developed the conclusion that classical education does not teach math and science or that the focus of the material is from the Medieval Period. The point of Classical Education is for students to be provided with primary source materials from ancient all the way to modern and be instructed in how to read and analyze those materials for themselves rather than have modern text books present a pre-digested biased view of the material. In math and science, students actually read the works of Euclid, Newton, Darwin, Einstein and so many others. They learn to observe and investigate in much the same way as those pioneers in their fields. As for values/religion, Classical Education is not strictly Christian; there are many non-religious classical schools. Even those that are Christian still read the primary works of all religions, comparing and contrasting them, analyzing them and then forming their own conclusions based on reasoning. The difference is that Classical Education does encourages students to consider all points of view equally, rather than present only the modern, progressive point of view. While I agree with you that statistics can be used in misleading ways to prove a point, the fact remains that students trained in the classical model are better prepared for college level studies. Professors regularly comment on the need for students to be able to think independently and critically and they notice the difference in students who have been classically trained. Those students go into all fields of study including math and science. I would encourage you to spend some time interacting with classically trained students, both Christian and non-Christian; you might be pleasantly surprised at their polite, respectful, yet confident ability to discuss just about any topic. And if they are unfamiliar with the topic, they have the tools and skills to research it and return ready to engage. BYW- Using expletives is not quality rhetoric. You can agree to disagree with someone without being pejorative.
+Michelle Cockerham Exactly I have learned more about other religions in our classical education (I am a parent so that means I learn as much as the children) then I have in my public education. #classicalconversations
@Ron Maimon To be able to truly understand Newton,et alia, you would have to learn your Latin and Greek appreciably. Newton used abstruse terms in his works to make it difficult to understand. Why? Because Continental admirers of Leibniz were plagiarizing ideas from Newton to lay claim to the creation of Calculus. In fact, Leibniz himself,was part of the inner circle of Natural Philosophers "appropiating" these discoveries. Regards
She covered the science of classical logic in about 15 seconds . That makes sense, since the science of classical logic hasn't been taught in our State controlled public schools for more than a century. The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto
Being an alumni of Ill. St. Univ., and Dartmouth, I couldn't agree with the speaker more. Yes, we're better off if everyone receives classical education, especially at one's early age.
Our scores are so low because constructivism has taken over our Ed Schools and our administrations. Teachers WANT to teach but we're so busy teaching "critical thinking" (I'm not sure how you can do this without having the thinking part come first!) that the knowledge base necessary to think is lost. Our teachers are told to become 'facilitators' our kids are supposed to question each other and think deeper. That's in kindergarten and it never ends. Ridiculous. It's the antithesis of a classical education. I teach kindergarten and use Sing, Spell, Read & Write and Musical Math, as you've said, my kids LOVE to memorize and show off how much they know. My kids read at the 1st to 3rd grade level by June, they are adding double digit numbers without regrouping and they love showing off their addition and subtraction skills. BUT, this learning stops the next year because I'm in a constructivist dominated school system. So my kids are bored and at-risk of falling into trouble because they don't like school. I want to start a school like yours in a charter in NYC! :-)
I would encourage you to do just that! We need more people who are willing to step out and DO something about the problems in education rather than accepting the status quo!
Rebekah Hagstrom Be aware, however, if you go the public charter vs. private school route, you are still under the same requirements of the state.....including common core.
Rebekah Hagstrom Yes, Rebekah, I'm aware of that. A classical education prepares students for any test, no matter. It gives students the tools they need to think and learn on their own. School never starts and ends, we are in the world of learning, constantly. So the idea with a classical education is to equip students to become great thinkers. I'm with you 100%. I've been teaching since 1991, the pedagogues keep spinning the same wheels with different jargon in public schools. It's not hard to figure out what they want on a test, so long as you have the tools to think. It's time for a radical transformation.
Rebekah Hagstrom With Common Core, we will see children exiting elementary school defeated and exhausted. Rebekah, your school is what I am looking for locally. There is none like yours in our Florida community. Charter schools are popping up like mushrooms and run by politicians. I found it refreshing that you are teaching history from the actual documents and that you mentioned diagramming sentences and cursive. Our son is entering 5th grade and our daughter 3rd, both gifted. There is nothing in Common Core as far as gifted-enrichment. We have taken on co-schooling our kids. In fact, until this year, Florida has not taught cursive for the past nine years and it is very sad to get this statement from a 22 year old, "I'm sorry, I can't read cursive." I taught our son cursive beginning last October so that he could fluidly take his end of the year writing assessment. Now, he prefers cursive. At 9 years old, his print was practically unreadable...and no one thought this was an issue.
there are 2 classical conversation communities in NYC we were a part of one on the upper west side, there is also one in Brooklyn check out Classical Conversations online!
I was educated at a classical school (the one mentioned at 2:55, actually) and the program develops away from strict memorization while kids are young. The logic and rhetoric phases take students out of memorization and into synthesizing information and expressing their own thoughts - pretty much what Mrs. Hagstrom says after 5:30. Personally, I don't think I am a parrot.
A Pleasent TED Talk. I recommend 1)the Robbinson Curriculum by Arthur B. Robbinson, a veteran Biochemist, and 2) a book titled:The Well Trained Mind by Susan Bauer. Also iv'e noticed that a member of the House of Representatives Dr. Ron Paul has released his version of a homeschooled curriculum. Wonderful program. Both programs are self teaching curriculums.
Great ted talk. I was not educated classically, am now in my 30s feel I have gaps in my knowledge in regards to history and literature. :( We never covered any of the greats Shakespeare, Dickens, The Illiad etc. It wasn’t until my 20s when I discovered all this great material just how bored and uninspired I was in school. Ahh regret.
In the UK a school is marked down if they use repetition to teach. I remember learning things from 35 years ago due to songs & it shocked my children who claim I must have a good memory (I do not have an exceptionally good memory), it just shows that repetition works as it stays with you throughout your life.
I agree! My mother attended school here in the US, in the '40's and '50's, and she memorized poetry, speeches, facts, etc. She waited for me to bring home poems and speeches to memorize, but, alas, we did not have that type of public education in my school districts. We did however, have that type of curriculum when we began to homeschool our own children. I still remember, "the Charge of the Light Brigade" by Rudyard Kipling, "Crossing the Bar", by Alfred, Lords Tennyson, "My Native Land", by Sir Walter Scott, and other wonderful poems from those courses. After all, if I expected my children to memorize them, I reasoned that I should, as well.
I was happy to study in a European school, the last and most important exam was simply an essay. They would call it " maturity exam" . You would have to prove yourself being able to form a well-argumented, well-structured piece of writing. They would give you 10 topics to choose from and 6h, pen, paper and water. No helping materials. I remember my topic was "Eternal values expressed through the works of art". I don't know, if we had a classical education...probably.
Excellent presentation Rebekah! As another person who started and runs a classical Christian school (Providence in Bossier City, LA), I deeply appreciate your presentation, as it is the best that I have seen to explain what we are doing in a short piece. I plan on sharing this broadly in our community. Thank you!
+Providence Classical Thank you! So happy to hear from you and happy to be of help in spreading the powerful nature of this education for America's children! Blessings to you and your school!
+Rebekah Hagstrom hi Rebekah. That was indeed a very informative and inspiring video... I am, and sure others too, are in a very similar situation to you. I am in the UK. My daughter is turning 3 years old and we are starting to plan her education from now. I was introduced to the subject of classical education some time ago and the more I learnt about it, the more I realise it is what is missing from mainstream schools, learning how to learn. To begin, I started educating myself on the subject. Unfortunately, there is very little written about it. Dorothy Sayers has done some work in this area, but I'm struggling to get my hands on materials that I can use to learn myself so I fully understand classical education before attempting to teach my daughter. Currently I plan to homeschool her. I'm wondering if you can give me any guidance on where I can begin, firstly for myself, and eventually for my daughter.
+zakir ahmad Zakit, thank you for your comments. Dorothy Sayers' Essay, The Lost Tools of Learning, is the key essay that many of the classical schools rely upon. If you are planning to home-school there is a handbook called The Well-Trained Mind written by Susan Wise Bauer. It lays out a framework for classical education. It includes the history sequence we use which forms the basis for the curriculum as we teach history sequentially and tie other subjects like art, music, literature, etc into it. Though we also emphasize math and science at our school. I hope that helps. Good luck! Blessings.
"...the scholar has lived in many times and is therefore in some degree immune from the great cataract of nonsense that pours from the press and the microphone of his own age." -Clive Staples Lewis
I am glad that I knew classical education before. My 2 kids( 6&5 years old) attend the Classical Christian school here in Utah. I am the witness of how advanced they are compared to the neighbors. Because of great books, they started reading in K& grade 1; they had already developed the great conversation at this early stage.
But I'll guess they've been misled when it comes to science education. One cannot put "faith" above fact and call it education. This is the problem with "classical." Those scientists she mentions at the onset of her video had a classical education but struggled to reconcile faith of upbringing with empirical evidence. Eventually shedding the trappings of religious thinking.
@@junodonatus4906Many did not. And some struggled because things in the bible meant to be read metaphorically or poorly / superficially translated, did or do not align with the science understanding of the time, which changes as further discoveries are made. e.g. day in English translations of Genesis is from a Hebrew word that can mean an era, a long length of time.
@@pingupenguin2474 The problem with the Bible in general is that denominations disagree on how to read it or what it means. In reality it should be regarded no differently than Greek mythology. It's a historical footnote but should not be taken as reality.
I had one child go through an excellent public school and one child go through a Classical Education private school. The difference is stark. I know children are all different, but the experience allowed me to see my child's classmates and to have some interaction and tracking with them during and after they graduated. The bottom line was made clear by Rebekah when she said, "We know that this works."
I am jealous of my brother, who was able (and did) take Latin in high school, majored in Greek in college; and got both an M.D. and a J.D.because he was interested! I got an advanced degree, but how far could I have gotten had I had my brothers' education.
Students are not learning logic public school and as a result struggle in college, in particular STEM fields. At my university we struggle heavily with attrition, especially in my field (Electrical Engineering). This video explains why the students that come from the Classical Christian schools in our area have such an advantage. Me and a few professors at Stanford have been struggling tooth and nail to get logic reintroduced at the K-12 level; turns out classical schools have been teaching it for centuries. I can imagine this has a huge, lifelong impact.
Mortimer Adler had a similar idea. He thought we should do away with the educational tracking that starts in high school and provide the same curriculum to all students.
Classical conversations - we are looking at this method for our children. We ar so excited to homes school. Wife and I don’t even have children yet. But we will be home schooling that’s for sure! Seeing the BS our nephews and niece are going through we hands down want to homeschool. We already are financially planning for wife to be a sat at home mom and teacher.
Just signed up my daughter TK to start at elementary with classical education. The district fought it so hard to not approve it. But thankfully, our county approved it.
If you guys wanna expand your education, join the Online Great Books program. I just joined and we read the classics and then get together online to discuss the texts and make arguments. It's nice if you want to get a good classical education without paying the outrageous price of college.
You will have to study Hebrew and the Torah/Talmud to have a complete Classical Education. European countries that remained after the dissolution of the Roman Empire, eliminated the Hebrew origin of the Trivium and Quadrivium as they became Christian. Ask the Jesuit Fathers about the Hebrew origins of Scholasticism. Regards
MuscleSheriff that may have more to do with Greeks and Italians valuing family and quality of life over materialism (at least based on the people I know).
If you are into education issues you may find of interest the Chesterton schools (Catholic) and Comenius Schools (Christian). Through These and others you can find help in building a curriculum and in getting the kind of documentation needed for "higher" education. I went to fine schools but didn't learn what I could have learned. I suggest reminding students that your education is what you TAKE and not what is given or offered you. So grab it and grasp it. Hoping that my country can become one where ideas are not outweighed and overwhelmed by feelings.
goodkawz I notice that you make a distinction between "Catholic" and "Christian." I've seen this before and it confuses me. Since Catholics believe Jesus is the son of God and mankind's savior, and since the Catholic church is the oldest Christian religion on the planet, I wonder why some people refer to them separately and don't include them in their use of the term "Christian." Would you perhaps explain this for me? Thank you.
Glad to reply to the question regarding Roman Catholicism (RC) and Christianity. I could go into considerable discussion, but will try to be direct. I did not mean at all to indicate exclusion of the subset of Catholicism from the larger set of Christianity. The important questions for everyone are, "Who is Jesus Christ?" And, "What is your relationship to Him?" (My answers are that he is the Messiah and he is my Savior by choice -- His graceful choice first.) All denominations and all their members are vulnerable to falling into "churchianity." I have known anti-Catholics, anti-Protestants, and anti-Christians. I want my final entry in the Book to be that I was pro-Jesus. Historically, there are rivers of "Christian" blood flowing in at least two directions. All contrary to Jesus' prayer in John 17. Though I've never been Roman Catholic, I have great appreciation for traditional Catholicism as it survives today. (Though I have differences that I articulate regarding certain beliefs and practices, I also believe that all denominations are subject to what I call funny" doctrines.) The great souls and minds of the Church belong to all believers. When Catholics use the word Church with a capital C they tend to mean their denomination. Many non-Catholics also think The Church is primarily their own denomination. For me the Church is all who share my answers to 2 big questions above. I think all believers can benefit from reading works by or about the following Catholics: Augustine Aquinas (like Augustine, he is in the spiritual family tree of all believers) Francis Jeanne Guyon Francois Fenelon Brother Lawrence G.K. Chesterton (who had considerable influence on C.S. Lewis) Fulton Sheen So, in summary, Catholicism is one of the subsets of Christianity. But God has no grandchildren, and we all need our own direct relationship with the Savior.
***** This definition of "Christian" comes not from Jesus but from Paul (maybe. There are good reasons to doubt the authenticity of authorship for Galatians, as well as several other letters ascribed to Paul). Furthermore, it is self-serving and leads to bigotry.
***** I appreciate your long and thoughtful reply and yes, it answers my question as to where this closed-mindedness comes from. If it works for you, I will not try to talk you out of it. I've told you why it doesn't work for me: Paul isn't Jesus and most of the letters ascribed to him aren't even Paul. Good day.
'Education is what is left when you have forgotten everything you learned at school'. In other words, like the training of a sailor. He learns strategies for doping with disasters. But his real life experiences rarely coincide with the premise. The premise is just the premise. The mix and match you must work out on your own. Exactly - because this life is a vale of tears rather than Heaven; but with a bit of insight we can see its beautiful landscapes and inscapes through those tears!
This woman has incredible courage and should watch her back as a generation of free thinking young adults would destroy the left and their government indoctrination centers known as public schools.
Wow! Great talk. I saw a local district was advertising a lesson plan they adopted called “Emotion Based Decision Making” or something similar. Who in the world would think that was a great idea? Apparently the entire school board. :(
Glad to see this. I had gotten used to the idea that TED is always liberal mushrooms. No, here is some solid conservative fare that I heartily approve of. Kids go to school about 1000 hours each year, 12,000 hours for the whole 12 years. Think what schools could teach if they tried.
Hi. Classical (liberal arts) education is foundational to both American liberalism and American conservatism. It does not describe a political stance, but rather a method training children to think and speak freely and to behave morally.
Matty Peterson, Danny Yarborugh, Neeby Tathum, Blake McCall, Ralphie Nettles, these were all my neighbors on Sebelou St., Peoria, in 1963. They were, like, the coolest!
I wish this was normal. I find so often that if someone doesn't agree with you about a certain topic they try to just say you're wrong without giving proper arguments to why their idea/opinion could be valid and also fail to see your point of view and understand how someone else came to another conclusion. I also think its ridiculous that schools are not teaching kids how to write in cursive. I think it helps kids learn to spell with focusing on the shape of each letter. Also its great to take quick notes and develop a signature. I also think history is a very important subject and I fail to understand or even remember what the heck I even learned.
I think, that we need synthesis of modern (not necessary american, could be german or japanese or other) and classical education (especially history and philosophy) and take best from both.
Alternative education isn't necessarily the worst thing. It depends upon the society environment a given civilization or social network is pursuing or has pursued in the past. Propensities concerning affect and effect upon the civilization, whether directl, or through the society, may seem absent depending upon the environment but I'm not sure such social and civil contracts are absent in any proposed social group, the argument seems to be concerning the extent to which we observe the affect of a social contract on any proposed social group, or effect of the societies social contracts in any proposed environment. There may be a place for every possible form of education in most proposed civilizations. There are definitely reasonable exceptions to the aformentioned hypothesis...
This is really beautiful and well-presented. Definitely the kind of education that I want for my child. I'm still wondering: Where can she go to get this kind of education? Does such a school exist? Not even LCA seems to live up to the ideals of classical education: (From LCA's Statement of Faith, posted on their website) "We believe the Bible to be the only inspired, infallible, authoritative Word of God, inerrant in the original manuscripts. We believe the inerrancy of Scripture embraces not only religious truth, but also the Bible’s scientific, historical, and literary features" . . . "We believe that creation was an act of God" . . . "We believe that people are sinful by nature and need Jesus Christ as their personal savior. We believe that for the salvation of lost and sinful men, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely necessary."
+smallpotatoes989 I am currently a classical conversations student its not about turning out ok. its about learning stuff you missed out on and learning stuff to a complex structer in a easier format, and fun, for example memorizing with song, or practing presentation skills, learning Great essay tech. or even singing our entire world timeline by memory, or being able to know all your countries and capitals in the world by memory or learning times tables. it is not as hard as you think when in a great inviroment and around friends you learn at a slow pace like she said in the apropriate age group . don't you think that is important to know. it may be a little hard to understand unless you complty understand and have exsperinced the classical education. so don't you see how this is all wonderful to know not only will you know but like she said you will know things that other people may not and will be able to get a better job, and will have a GREAT! education. so you can not really say that you turned out fine because thats normal because everyone else is like that nd you really don't know how you would've turned out if you were classicly educated! its like a theory you just can't say your fine because you don't know like i said how you would've turned out. i hope you understand my point of view.
masonmmaspecilist "turning out ok" isn't the goal of classical education. That's the goal Of the sheep machine aka US dept of education. Goal of classical education is to teach children how to A) think, B) be creative which leads to C) being a world changer. All others who simply want to turn out "ok" can go to a public indoctrination machine.
It may seem great until you take into account one little, small details: not all kids want to learn. The huge problem with Classical Education is that it's elitist, not in the sense that only rich "civilized" parents can afford it, but in the sense that only kids who are naturally inclined to learn Grammar, Logic & Rhetoric can succeed with education. My siblings and I received a Classical Education. It turns out that I liked it (more or less) and I succeeded finishing my undergraduate studies with honors and starting a PhD. On the other hand, my sister, though she did well at school, doesn't remember anything else than what she currently works on. She only did well (better than I) because she was told to do so. Last but not least, my brother completely failed because of Classical Education. See, he's an artist. He loves painting, music, theater. However, he is not good at Logic, doesn't understand why Grammar is necessary and hates having to study something because he's told to do so. He had to drop out before high school, and struggled to find a job. As long as kids are different, we cannot say that this or that education is better. Kids who likes to learn will do very well thanks to Classical Education, and I'm actually happy to have had one, but advocating Classical Education for every kids... really not a good idea if we want to fight elitism.
Mohamed Amine Hadji While I love classical education, I think it is important to remember that everyone learns differently. You make some very good points.
Some great points are made here. I appreciate classical education, but I wonder if there is something inherent in it that produces profound cultural blindspots. I think I'd prefer for my children to receive whatever type of education produced a mind like James Baldwin's, but even he had some interesting blindspots. Plus, I'm sure a great deal of struggle and marginalization have a lot to do with developing the fascinating character of someone like Baldwin, this is a type of struggle most folks would rather spare their children.
Blindspots are unavoidable in every system, even in the most supposedly "neutral" and "secular" systems. The best way to counteract cultural blindspots would be to read literature from other cultures honestly and, even better, to experience them with travel.
Rebekah Hagstrom Yes, I love your vision. It's the sort of education I wish I'd had as a kid. I've been a teacher for twenty years in all kinds of settings both here in the US and abroad. Now I am a mentor at a learning cooperative for homeschooling teenagers. Our methods are quite different from your school's, perhaps one could say the other side of the education coin. We facilitate something called "un-schooling", which can also work wonders for the kids who need it. I would love to come visit your school during the academic year someday, meet the teachers and kids and observe how you do things.
Śrīla Prabhupāda: But there must be some form of education, and spiritual education is the most important. The only business of human life is to learn about God.
Classical education is definitely the best, however it is a fallacy to think that it is necessarily conservative or religious. The very historical figures Ms. Hagstrom herself mentions: Einstein, Jefferson, Galileo, etc, who were educated classically, were free thinkers who questioned religion and were not at all "conservative" by modern American standards.
All this proves is that classical Christian education does not create Christians. God does that. And those you mention were not atheists by any stretch, they saw the futility of that thinking. Their education showed them the fundamental need for God, but they clearly personally rejected it, but had ongoing problems reconciling that rejection with the truth of the world they studied. Galileo said "God is known by nature in his works, and by doctrine in his revealed word."
Indeed, although I have been seeing a generation of people going into parenting with ideas of how to live in order to be able to provide this kind of education to their offspring. I'm sure the lady here made big sacrifices too.
as a classically educated person I am so glad we are seeing a rebirth of classicism.
Hello, Sophia Schlenoff!
Did you go to the same school Rebekah was speaking about?
Do u have links to materials to learn, I want to self-learn myself, am a it worried about my future child someday growing up in a secular environment. Praying God provides a Godly wife.
This is good to hear… My son is going to a Classical Academy for kindergarten this year.
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I firmly believe secular morality is better than a theistic one. After all, our constitution IS secular. And the Bible, is , quite frankly, an immoral book. It certainly was used to support slavery in the US. And it promotes misogyny and homophobia, as well as child abuse (beating).
An educated thinking society is the last thing our Government desires.
There are private schools, you know.
+Thalric because obviously everyone can affrord private school....
Ignorance is strength. Big Brother is watching.
Well there has been a solution for that, but there are people/organizations fighting against it.
That's why the United States is one of the few first world countries that makes going to university so expensive, right? Because if students can go to university, then they can learn philosophy, logic, ethics, Latin, history, etc., right? Therefore, you should push to have tuition-free schools funded by tax dollars like every other civilized country, so that your citizens can be educated thinkers, right?
Glad we've agreed.
My brother received a better (I think) education that I did. He was six years ahead of me and was able to take a Latin and advanced math in high school. Later he majored in Greek before he entered medical school, in addition he received a law degree while he was practicing. This type of education would help ANYONE to achieve and fulfill their own needs. I thoroughly recommend this presentation.
Our sons are in a classical Ed christian school, after two years in a highly rated public school. No comparison. Classical Ed all the way.
Really? Are you in Ozark MO by any chance? I came across this system while i was looking for Sudbury school system...
We are just making this jump in incredibly High rated School district that isn’t challenging our children. I’m so excited for them. The cost is an enormous stretch for us but I hope will be able to make it work
Exactly, The School of the Ozarks founded in 1906 is nationally recognized and #1 regionally in the Midwest … that’s why education matters.
Whoa, easy now, you may end up creating free-thinkers and we can't have that.
+jeremiah3754
Yes, that's exactly what we want! Thank you!
+Rebekah Hagstrom Hi Rebekah, Could you please let me know the name of the school in Rochester that you mentioned at the beginning of this talk?
Thanks!
+conge
The name is Schaeffer Academy, named after the late Francis Schaeffer.
+jeremiah3754 Free thought is a delusion. Witness Rebekah. She dresses like all white ladies of her class, she uses the same speech patterns, her ideas are common to people of her class and age, and all of her ideas and choices are strict bourgeoisie-stuff. True free thought is like the growth of a wild plant; the end result in no way resembles a potted plant...which is what Rebekah is in every possible way.
+Delphinium Flower It most certainly is not a far cry from the Judeo Christian perspective. The Judeo-Christian worldview has always held that the natural man even apart from Divine Revelation is capable of discovering and formulating certain permanent and eternal truths. That they are created with the Image of God just like all of humanity and have the faculty of reason. St. Paul says as much in Romans. That's why some of the great Christian thinkers like Sts. Augustine & Thomas could appeal to Plato and Aristotle to defend concepts like natural law,virtue, the soul, and universals. St. Jerome was a devoted reader of Cicero who was another Latin defender of natural law.
She is misrepresenting nothing. You are on the other hand are misrepresenting the Judeo Christian worldview as being inherently hostile to the non Christian Greek/Latin world.
Brava! This struck a major chord -- I've been complaining about the lack of a classical education in America for almost 50 years! I agree completely; the world would be a much better place if most folks had better educational grounding.
Get that Thelma off your profile photo crazy!!
This system would really be beneficial for all of mankind. The problem is that the elites do not wish for the average person to become above average because they would no longer be elite for long. Great talk. Hope we can change the world by thinking like this. God bless.
I discovered classical education last spring at our state homeschool convention, I was so excited to start that journey with my 5 year old. What excited me the most was what you discussed here, what better gift to give my child than an education based on the time tested knowledge of the greatest minds throughout history. I'm concerned about what our country and our world will look like when she is adult but it gives me comfort to know that she will not only be brought up with a faith in a sovereign God but also with the ability to be a well educated critical thinker. I feel that will be more important than ever.
+Beth Shepherd
Beth, what a tremendous gift you're giving your daughter. An education of this sort is the greatest gift you can give your child: teaching her how to learn and think on her own; and that all knowledge falls under God's sovereignty.
If you have the energy, I'd challenge you to pray about whether or not God might be calling you to start your own school of this sort so more children may benefit from this type of education in your area. If you are led to do so, please contact me again and I'll do what I can to help you through our own program.
Blessings.
Rebekah
Classical education sounds more like indoctrination than actual education and higher thinking.
Yeah… you’ve literally got it backwards 🤣😂🤣.
I taught at 2 private classical Christian schools. Phenomenal method of education… 🔥🔥
Looking into this for my first grader, she is so brilliant I feel like I am stifling her by putting her in a regular school. She is already reading at a 5th grade level and is honestly smarter than me. I feel woefully under qualified to help her recognize her potential and it keeps me up at night.
I wish I were better educated myself.
Don’t worry about one thing: If she didn’t feel loved and supported by you, she wouldn’t be able to effectively learn anything academically or while at school! I cannot stress enough to you, how important this is to her development! So, you’re doing a great job already in providing a loving foundation that also serves as a springboard to learning!
I’m sure you did the best that you could with what was available to you! Just make sure to encourage and support your daughter’s education and expose her with good material which you can learn about through videos like these!
And as the previous comment suggested, your love and support will go a long way!
Just love her that very important
You can get better educated alongside her! Homeschool!
This is the education I have always longed to have. But, say "classical education" in my country and you'll pass off as a snobby elitist. Thank you Madam for reviving the spirit and the wisdom of the centuries.
We call those people naysayers.
She is describing what we're doing at Classical Conversations!
EXACTLY... like almost verbatim.
I wish I had a classical education growing up. Really makes you wonder what your life could of been like had we been educated how we needed, and by what peaked our interests.
It is just like Classical Conversations! I'm so satisfied with my education😃
I like the approach they take for "teaching how to learn". Showing them *methods* and making them engage in them, so they learn how to successfully apply them, but then leaving it to the children's self-developed logical thinking and priorities (that they have also been instructed about, but obviously that's automatically affected by natural personality-development) to decide which of the methods to apply.
I'm not religious, and seeing a religious institution work like that and bring so many other benefits makes me respect your faith so much more. But beyond that, the education system you propose is simply impressive compared to how education currently works in just about all countries of the work (with way too little focus on teaching behaviour and habit forming).
What an unique woman. I deeply love the ones whom putting education at the top of their values.
Yay for classical education! We're using Classical Conversations and love it!
damn, im a senior in highschool and this makes me want to explore this.
Highschool senior here, too. My tenth grade English teacher dedicated a semester to rhetoric. That's all I got for a classical education. Well I attend a public highschool in Illinois, so that may explain it--low funding for education unless it's Chicago.
@@samuelskillern7365 your experience is common. Money won’t solve the issues of our educational system, money just begets more expenses
Outstanding. In light of today's hostile and divided atmosphere, many of us I am sure have asked ourselves how we got to this place of incivility. I have always contended that it starts with our educational system. I hope some of you will share this video about a time-tested approach that we should re-visit. I further encourage you learn about John Taylor Gatto by watching the wonderful videos on his RUclips Channel on the history of our education system and how we got to where we are.
Her dream of what the world would be like with a classical education for all students was one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.
I was so lucky to stumble across a classical school by complete accident. I worked there for over a year in their after care. I had to stop to begin my internship at a public school to obtain my education degree. I miss that classical school sooo much! Working for the last year in the public school during my internship has been nothing but frustrating and discouraging. I can not wait to graduate next month and be free to go back to the classical school. I am not cut out to teach anywhere else. Classical schools are the only places I believe are truly creating future leaders.
Great talk. I'm looking forward to our first parent practicum with Classical Conversations. And I am pleased to find that there are classical education schools as well. It gives us options for the future.
+Joshua Bowie That's wonderful. We start in 2 weeks. I'm excited about it.
Mr. Lupin. I'm not sure where you developed the conclusion that classical education does not teach math and science or that the focus of the material is from the Medieval Period. The point of Classical Education is for students to be provided with primary source materials from ancient all the way to modern and be instructed in how to read and analyze those materials for themselves rather than have modern text books present a pre-digested biased view of the material. In math and science, students actually read the works of Euclid, Newton, Darwin, Einstein and so many others. They learn to observe and investigate in much the same way as those pioneers in their fields. As for values/religion, Classical Education is not strictly Christian; there are many non-religious classical schools. Even those that are Christian still read the primary works of all religions, comparing and contrasting them, analyzing them and then forming their own conclusions based on reasoning. The difference is that Classical Education does encourages students to consider all points of view equally, rather than present only the modern, progressive point of view. While I agree with you that statistics can be used in misleading ways to prove a point, the fact remains that students trained in the classical model are better prepared for college level studies. Professors regularly comment on the need for students to be able to think independently and critically and they notice the difference in students who have been classically trained. Those students go into all fields of study including math and science. I would encourage you to spend some time interacting with classically trained students, both Christian and non-Christian; you might be pleasantly surprised at their polite, respectful, yet confident ability to discuss just about any topic. And if they are unfamiliar with the topic, they have the tools and skills to research it and return ready to engage. BYW- Using expletives is not quality rhetoric. You can agree to disagree with someone without being pejorative.
+Michelle Cockerham Exactly I have learned more about other religions in our classical education (I am a parent so that means I learn as much as the children) then I have in my public education. #classicalconversations
@Ron Maimon To be able to truly understand Newton,et alia, you would have to learn your Latin and Greek appreciably.
Newton used abstruse terms in his works to make it difficult to understand. Why? Because Continental admirers of Leibniz were plagiarizing ideas from Newton to lay claim to the creation of Calculus. In fact, Leibniz himself,was part of the inner circle of Natural Philosophers "appropiating" these discoveries.
Regards
She covered the science of classical logic in about 15 seconds . That makes sense, since the science of classical logic hasn't been taught in our State controlled public schools for more than a century. The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto
Being an alumni of Ill. St. Univ., and Dartmouth, I couldn't agree with the speaker more. Yes, we're better off if everyone receives classical education, especially at one's early age.
Our scores are so low because constructivism has taken over our Ed Schools and our administrations. Teachers WANT to teach but we're so busy teaching "critical thinking" (I'm not sure how you can do this without having the thinking part come first!) that the knowledge base necessary to think is lost. Our teachers are told to become 'facilitators' our kids are supposed to question each other and think deeper. That's in kindergarten and it never ends. Ridiculous. It's the antithesis of a classical education. I teach kindergarten and use Sing, Spell, Read & Write and Musical Math, as you've said, my kids LOVE to memorize and show off how much they know. My kids read at the 1st to 3rd grade level by June, they are adding double digit numbers without regrouping and they love showing off their addition and subtraction skills. BUT, this learning stops the next year because I'm in a constructivist dominated school system. So my kids are bored and at-risk of falling into trouble because they don't like school. I want to start a school like yours in a charter in NYC! :-)
I would encourage you to do just that! We need more people who are willing to step out and DO something about the problems in education rather than accepting the status quo!
Rebekah Hagstrom Be aware, however, if you go the public charter vs. private school route, you are still under the same requirements of the state.....including common core.
Rebekah Hagstrom Yes, Rebekah, I'm aware of that. A classical education prepares students for any test, no matter. It gives students the tools they need to think and learn on their own. School never starts and ends, we are in the world of learning, constantly. So the idea with a classical education is to equip students to become great thinkers. I'm with you 100%. I've been teaching since 1991, the pedagogues keep spinning the same wheels with different jargon in public schools. It's not hard to figure out what they want on a test, so long as you have the tools to think. It's time for a radical transformation.
Rebekah Hagstrom With Common Core, we will see children exiting elementary school defeated and exhausted. Rebekah, your school is what I am looking for locally. There is none like yours in our Florida community. Charter schools are popping up like mushrooms and run by politicians. I found it refreshing that you are teaching history from the actual documents and that you mentioned diagramming sentences and cursive. Our son is entering 5th grade and our daughter 3rd, both gifted. There is nothing in Common Core as far as gifted-enrichment. We have taken on co-schooling our kids. In fact, until this year, Florida has not taught cursive for the past nine years and it is very sad to get this statement from a 22 year old, "I'm sorry, I can't read cursive." I taught our son cursive beginning last October so that he could fluidly take his end of the year writing assessment. Now, he prefers cursive. At 9 years old, his print was practically unreadable...and no one thought this was an issue.
there are 2 classical conversation communities in NYC we were a part of one on the upper west side, there is also one in Brooklyn check out Classical Conversations online!
I was educated at a classical school (the one mentioned at 2:55, actually) and the program develops away from strict memorization while kids are young.
The logic and rhetoric phases take students out of memorization and into synthesizing information and expressing their own thoughts - pretty much what Mrs. Hagstrom says after 5:30.
Personally, I don't think I am a parrot.
Well you certainly don't look like one.
A Pleasent TED Talk.
I recommend 1)the Robbinson Curriculum by Arthur B. Robbinson, a veteran Biochemist, and 2) a book titled:The Well Trained Mind by Susan Bauer.
Also iv'e noticed that a member of the House of Representatives Dr. Ron Paul has released his version of a homeschooled curriculum. Wonderful program. Both programs are self teaching curriculums.
ted talk cut out sme of the speach , you could hear that continuously
Great ted talk. I was not educated classically, am now in my 30s feel I have gaps in my knowledge in regards to history and literature. :( We never covered any of the greats Shakespeare, Dickens, The Illiad etc. It wasn’t until my 20s when I discovered all this great material just how bored and uninspired I was in school. Ahh regret.
In the UK a school is marked down if they use repetition to teach. I remember learning things from 35 years ago due to songs & it shocked my children who claim I must have a good memory (I do not have an exceptionally good memory), it just shows that repetition works as it stays with you throughout your life.
I agree! My mother attended school here in the US, in the '40's and '50's, and she memorized poetry, speeches, facts, etc. She waited for me to bring home poems and speeches to memorize, but, alas, we did not have that type of public education in my school districts. We did however, have that type of curriculum when we began to homeschool our own children. I still remember, "the Charge of the Light Brigade" by Rudyard Kipling, "Crossing the Bar", by Alfred, Lords Tennyson, "My Native Land", by Sir Walter Scott, and other wonderful poems from those courses. After all, if I expected my children to memorize them, I reasoned that I should, as well.
I was happy to study in a European school, the last and most important exam was simply an essay. They would call it " maturity exam" . You would have to prove yourself being able to form a well-argumented, well-structured piece of writing. They would give you 10 topics to choose from and 6h, pen, paper and water. No helping materials. I remember my topic was "Eternal values expressed through the works of art". I don't know, if we had a classical education...probably.
Very interesting to learn of this "trivium" approach of Grammar, Logic, and Rhetoric based on the age of the child.
This dillemma could've been avoided if said parent realized the parent's role is to train and teach, not institutions.
Excellent presentation Rebekah! As another person who started and runs a classical Christian school (Providence in Bossier City, LA), I deeply appreciate your presentation, as it is the best that I have seen to explain what we are doing in a short piece. I plan on sharing this broadly in our community. Thank you!
+Providence Classical Thank you! So happy to hear from you and happy to be of help in spreading the powerful nature of this education for America's children! Blessings to you and your school!
+Rebekah Hagstrom hi Rebekah. That was indeed a very informative and inspiring video...
I am, and sure others too, are in a very similar situation to you. I am in the UK. My daughter is turning 3 years old and we are starting to plan her education from now. I was introduced to the subject of classical education some time ago and the more I learnt about it, the more I realise it is what is missing from mainstream schools, learning how to learn.
To begin, I started educating myself on the subject. Unfortunately, there is very little written about it. Dorothy Sayers has done some work in this area, but I'm struggling to get my hands on materials that I can use to learn myself so I fully understand classical education before attempting to teach my daughter. Currently I plan to homeschool her.
I'm wondering if you can give me any guidance on where I can begin, firstly for myself, and eventually for my daughter.
+zakir ahmad Zakit, thank you for your comments. Dorothy Sayers' Essay, The Lost Tools of Learning, is the key essay that many of the classical schools rely upon. If you are planning to home-school there is a handbook called The Well-Trained Mind written by Susan Wise Bauer. It lays out a framework for classical education. It includes the history sequence we use which forms the basis for the curriculum as we teach history sequentially and tie other subjects like art, music, literature, etc into it. Though we also emphasize math and science at our school. I hope that helps. Good luck! Blessings.
"...the scholar has lived in many times and is therefore in some degree immune from the great cataract of nonsense that pours from the press and the microphone of his own age."
-Clive Staples Lewis
Any man that knows his trade and has read fifty good books is respectable.
Awesome talk! My kids are in a great classical school in Katy, Texas and the benefits are immense!
What school? I’m looking for one for my son
So clear and persuasive. ALL children need this kind of rigorous education to The Glory of God Alone
I am glad that I knew classical education before. My 2 kids( 6&5 years old) attend the Classical Christian school here in Utah. I am the witness of how advanced they are compared to the neighbors. Because of great books, they started reading in K& grade 1; they had already developed the great conversation at this early stage.
But I'll guess they've been misled when it comes to science education. One cannot put "faith" above fact and call it education. This is the problem with "classical." Those scientists she mentions at the onset of her video had a classical education but struggled to reconcile faith of upbringing with empirical evidence. Eventually shedding the trappings of religious thinking.
@@junodonatus4906Many did not. And some struggled because things in the bible meant to be read metaphorically or poorly / superficially translated, did or do not align with the science understanding of the time, which changes as further discoveries are made. e.g. day in English translations of Genesis is from a Hebrew word that can mean an era, a long length of time.
@@pingupenguin2474
The problem with the Bible in general is that denominations disagree on how to read it or what it means. In reality it should be regarded no differently than Greek mythology. It's a historical footnote but should not be taken as reality.
So impressed. I can't wait to have my children experience this.
I had one child go through an excellent public school and one child go through a Classical Education private school. The difference is stark. I know children are all different, but the experience allowed me to see my child's classmates and to have some interaction and tracking with them during and after they graduated. The bottom line was made clear by Rebekah when she said, "We know that this works."
정말 유용한 영상이네요. 고전교육이 꼭 필요한 시대입니다. 많은 사람이 보고 학교시스템이 안된다면 집에서라도 부모님들이 고전교육을 염두에 두고 자녀들을 가르치면 좋겠습니다.
I am jealous of my brother, who was able (and did) take Latin in high school, majored in Greek in college; and got both an M.D. and a J.D.because he was interested! I got an advanced degree, but how far could I have gotten had I had my brothers' education.
Good for you for standing up there, not being ashamed of our heritage, and wearing that cross. We know this works.
Students are not learning logic public school and as a result struggle in college, in particular STEM fields. At my university we struggle heavily with attrition, especially in my field (Electrical Engineering). This video explains why the students that come from the Classical Christian schools in our area have such an advantage. Me and a few professors at Stanford have been struggling tooth and nail to get logic reintroduced at the K-12 level; turns out classical schools have been teaching it for centuries. I can imagine this has a huge, lifelong impact.
Chesterton Academy(high school) and St. John Bosco Schools (k-8) are nationwide, and offer exclusively classical education.
Mortimer Adler had a similar idea. He thought we should do away with the educational tracking that starts in high school and provide the same curriculum to all students.
All humans have the same mind w/the same needs regardless of individual choices.
Classical conversations - we are looking at this method for our children. We ar so excited to homes school. Wife and I don’t even have children yet. But we will be home schooling that’s for sure! Seeing the BS our nephews and niece are going through we hands down want to homeschool. We already are financially planning for wife to be a sat at home mom and teacher.
This is the goal of r/ClassicalEducation I love it!
This is actually something that I have been thinking about doing myself... I'd love to start up a school very similar to this!
Just signed up my daughter TK to start at elementary with classical education. The district fought it so hard to not approve it. But thankfully, our county approved it.
If you guys wanna expand your education, join the Online Great Books program.
I just joined and we read the classics and then get together online to discuss the texts and make arguments. It's nice if you want to get a good classical education without paying the outrageous price of college.
Horace Mann, Matthew Arnold, and John Dewey changed our education systems.
When did we lose our souls? True!
Remember that Italy is maybe the only country that still have a classical educational system. We also still study latin and ancient greek
Gianmarco 14 so do the People in Greece
Wait.... Doesn't Greece and Italy have quite a poor economy Vs UK and US?
You will have to study Hebrew and the Torah/Talmud to have a complete Classical Education.
European countries that remained after the dissolution of the Roman Empire, eliminated the Hebrew origin of the Trivium and Quadrivium as they became Christian.
Ask the Jesuit Fathers about the Hebrew origins of Scholasticism.
Regards
MuscleSheriff that may have more to do with Greeks and Italians valuing family and quality of life over materialism (at least based on the people I know).
Unfortunately it's not like that. The vast majority of students does not study latin, and even fewer study greek.
If you are into education issues you may find of interest the Chesterton schools (Catholic) and Comenius Schools (Christian). Through These and others you can find help in building a curriculum and in getting the kind of documentation needed for "higher" education.
I went to fine schools but didn't learn what I could have learned. I suggest reminding students that your education is what you TAKE and not what is given or offered you. So grab it and grasp it. Hoping that my country can become one where ideas are not outweighed and overwhelmed by feelings.
goodkawz I notice that you make a distinction between "Catholic" and "Christian." I've seen this before and it confuses me.
Since Catholics believe Jesus is the son of God and mankind's savior, and since the Catholic church is the oldest Christian religion on the planet, I wonder why some people refer to them separately and don't include them in their use of the term "Christian."
Would you perhaps explain this for me? Thank you.
Glad to reply to the question regarding Roman Catholicism (RC) and Christianity.
I could go into considerable discussion, but will try to be direct.
I did not mean at all to indicate exclusion of the subset of Catholicism
from the larger set of Christianity.
The important questions for everyone are,
"Who is Jesus Christ?" And,
"What is your relationship to Him?"
(My answers are that he is the Messiah and he is my Savior by choice -- His graceful choice first.)
All denominations and all their members are vulnerable to falling into "churchianity."
I have known anti-Catholics, anti-Protestants, and anti-Christians.
I want my final entry in the Book to be that I was pro-Jesus.
Historically, there are rivers of "Christian" blood flowing in at least two directions.
All contrary to Jesus' prayer in John 17.
Though I've never been Roman Catholic,
I have great appreciation for traditional Catholicism as it survives today.
(Though I have differences that I articulate regarding certain beliefs and practices,
I also believe that all denominations are subject to what I call funny" doctrines.)
The great souls and minds of the Church belong to all believers.
When Catholics use the word Church with a capital C they tend to mean their denomination.
Many non-Catholics also think The Church is primarily their own denomination.
For me the Church is all who share my answers to 2 big questions above.
I think all believers can benefit from reading works by or about the following Catholics:
Augustine
Aquinas (like Augustine, he is in the spiritual family tree of all believers)
Francis
Jeanne Guyon
Francois Fenelon
Brother Lawrence
G.K. Chesterton (who had considerable influence on C.S. Lewis)
Fulton Sheen
So, in summary, Catholicism is one of the subsets of Christianity.
But God has no grandchildren,
and we all need our own direct relationship with the Savior.
***** This definition of "Christian" comes not from Jesus but from Paul (maybe. There are good reasons to doubt the authenticity of authorship for Galatians, as well as several other letters ascribed to Paul). Furthermore, it is self-serving and leads to bigotry.
***** I appreciate your long and thoughtful reply and yes, it answers my question as to where this closed-mindedness comes from. If it works for you, I will not try to talk you out of it. I've told you why it doesn't work for me: Paul isn't Jesus and most of the letters ascribed to him aren't even Paul.
Good day.
'Education is what is left when you have forgotten everything you learned at school'. In other words, like the training of a sailor. He learns strategies for doping with disasters. But his real life experiences rarely coincide with the premise. The premise is just the premise. The mix and match you must work out on your own. Exactly - because this life is a vale of tears rather than Heaven; but with a bit of insight we can see its beautiful landscapes and inscapes through those tears!
This approach is called "the Trivium". There is also "the Quadrivium".
This woman has incredible courage and should watch her back as a generation of free thinking young adults would destroy the left and their government indoctrination centers known as public schools.
Wow! Great talk. I saw a local district was advertising a lesson plan they adopted called “Emotion Based Decision Making” or something similar. Who in the world would think that was a great idea? Apparently the entire school board. :(
The audio was not the best on this video, but interesting lecture
Glad to see this. I had gotten used to the idea that TED is always liberal mushrooms. No, here is some solid conservative fare that I heartily approve of.
Kids go to school about 1000 hours each year, 12,000 hours for the whole 12 years. Think what schools could teach if they tried.
Hi. Classical (liberal arts) education is foundational to both American liberalism and American conservatism. It does not describe a political stance, but rather a method training children to think and speak freely and to behave morally.
Public schools employ some of the laziest people in society to teach our children.
Excellent talk. Classical education does work!
Matty Peterson, Danny Yarborugh, Neeby Tathum, Blake McCall, Ralphie Nettles, these were all my neighbors on Sebelou St., Peoria, in 1963. They were, like, the coolest!
Well presented! Thank you.
For those who will not be limited by it, but will use old knowledge to adapt to the new.
I wish this was normal. I find so often that if someone doesn't agree with you about a certain topic they try to just say you're wrong without giving proper arguments to why their idea/opinion could be valid and also fail to see your point of view and understand how someone else came to another conclusion. I also think its ridiculous that schools are not teaching kids how to write in cursive. I think it helps kids learn to spell with focusing on the shape of each letter. Also its great to take quick notes and develop a signature. I also think history is a very important subject and I fail to understand or even remember what the heck I even learned.
How do I integrate classical education principles into public school practice?
6:01 LLpsI!!! Thumbs up if you know what I'm talking about.
I think, that we need synthesis of modern (not necessary american, could be german or japanese or other) and classical education (especially history and philosophy) and take best from both.
Alternative education isn't necessarily the worst thing. It depends upon the society environment a given civilization or social network is pursuing or has pursued in the past. Propensities concerning affect and effect upon the civilization, whether directl, or through the society, may seem absent depending upon the environment but I'm not sure such social and civil contracts are absent in any proposed social group, the argument seems to be concerning the extent to which we observe the affect of a social contract on any proposed social group, or effect of the societies social contracts in any proposed environment. There may be a place for every possible form of education in most proposed civilizations. There are definitely reasonable exceptions to the aformentioned hypothesis...
This is really beautiful and well-presented. Definitely the kind of education that I want for my child. I'm still wondering: Where can she go to get this kind of education? Does such a school exist? Not even LCA seems to live up to the ideals of classical education: (From LCA's Statement of Faith, posted on their website) "We believe the Bible to be the only inspired, infallible, authoritative Word of God, inerrant in the original manuscripts. We believe the inerrancy of Scripture embraces not only religious truth, but also the Bible’s scientific, historical, and literary features" . . . "We believe that creation was an act of God" . . . "We believe that people are sinful by nature and need Jesus Christ as their personal savior. We believe that for the salvation of lost and sinful men, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely necessary."
This is a homeschool program. Typically, your child goes to class one day a week and is at home the rest of the week working on assignments.
I had not did this classical education and me turned fine ok
+smallpotatoes989 I am currently a classical conversations student its not about turning out ok. its about learning stuff you missed out on and learning stuff to a complex structer in a easier format, and fun, for example memorizing with song, or practing presentation skills, learning Great essay tech. or even singing our entire world timeline by memory, or being able to know all your countries and capitals in the world by memory or learning times tables. it is not as hard as you think when in a great inviroment and around friends you learn at a slow pace like she said in the apropriate age group . don't you think that is important to know. it may be a little hard to understand unless you complty understand and have exsperinced the classical education. so don't you see how this is all wonderful to know not only will you know but like she said you will know things that other people may not and will be able to get a better job, and will have a GREAT! education. so you can not really say that you turned out fine because thats normal because everyone else is like that nd you really don't know how you would've turned out if you were classicly educated! its like a theory you just can't say your fine because you don't know like i said how you would've turned out.
i hope you understand my point of view.
smallpotatoes989 You must used me in the subjective case. You did not turn out fine.
Its pretty clear that your "classical conversations" has not worked out for you because you are incapable of detecting a simple joke.
masonmmaspecilist "turning out ok" isn't the goal of classical education. That's the goal
Of the sheep machine aka US dept of education. Goal of classical education is to teach children how to A) think, B) be creative which leads to C) being a world changer. All others who simply want to turn out "ok" can go to a public indoctrination machine.
You sound fine to me
im 25 years old, im trying to learn those things of classical education.
We desperately need classical education
It may seem great until you take into account one little, small details: not all kids want to learn. The huge problem with Classical Education is that it's elitist, not in the sense that only rich "civilized" parents can afford it, but in the sense that only kids who are naturally inclined to learn Grammar, Logic & Rhetoric can succeed with education.
My siblings and I received a Classical Education. It turns out that I liked it (more or less) and I succeeded finishing my undergraduate studies with honors and starting a PhD. On the other hand, my sister, though she did well at school, doesn't remember anything else than what she currently works on. She only did well (better than I) because she was told to do so. Last but not least, my brother completely failed because of Classical Education. See, he's an artist. He loves painting, music, theater. However, he is not good at Logic, doesn't understand why Grammar is necessary and hates having to study something because he's told to do so. He had to drop out before high school, and struggled to find a job.
As long as kids are different, we cannot say that this or that education is better. Kids who likes to learn will do very well thanks to Classical Education, and I'm actually happy to have had one, but advocating Classical Education for every kids... really not a good idea if we want to fight elitism.
Mohamed Amine Hadji While I love classical education, I think it is important to remember that everyone learns differently. You make some very good points.
They would have done no better in regular schooling
The best education there is.
A classical education means learning Latin and Greek.
Currently they’re canceling these classic authors and writers out of schools
Amazing talk
Debate team options for states that don't allow equal access?
Wow this sounds amazing!
Some great points are made here. I appreciate classical education, but I wonder if there is something inherent in it that produces profound cultural blindspots. I think I'd prefer for my children to receive whatever type of education produced a mind like James Baldwin's, but even he had some interesting blindspots. Plus, I'm sure a great deal of struggle and marginalization have a lot to do with developing the fascinating character of someone like Baldwin, this is a type of struggle most folks would rather spare their children.
Blindspots are unavoidable in every system, even in the most supposedly "neutral" and "secular" systems. The best way to counteract cultural blindspots would be to read literature from other cultures honestly and, even better, to experience them with travel.
What if everyone was 5’ 5” tall?
By the quality of their ideas.
I think you might need a larger sample.
Read Battle for the American Mind by Pete Hegseth
Is this video censored? There are some phrases that have been silenced. If so, why? Thanks.
No, it wasn't censored. The mic was cutting out when I moved.
Thank you very much for replying, Rebekah. What a shame the audio decided to act weirdly. Great talk, by the way.
Cheers,
Hans.
Thanks, Hans! I really hope others catch the vision! Great name, by the way...
Rebekah Hagstrom Yes, I love your vision. It's the sort of education I wish I'd had as a kid.
I've been a teacher for twenty years in all kinds of settings both here in the US and abroad. Now I am a mentor at a learning cooperative for homeschooling teenagers. Our methods are quite different from your school's, perhaps one could say the other side of the education coin. We facilitate something called "un-schooling", which can also work wonders for the kids who need it.
I would love to come visit your school during the academic year someday, meet the teachers and kids and observe how you do things.
Audio keeps cutting off randomly ?
Why were certain words edited out?
Funny how she brought up violence and then gave history’s worst killers as an example.
Great presentation!
The International Baccalaureate program
Great program if you want a leftist leaning education.
+Rebekah Hagstrom What about the IB program screams “leftist” to you?
Śrīla Prabhupāda: But there must be some form of education, and spiritual education is the most important. The only business of human life is to learn about God.
And because God created reality, education is about reality too! The truth of it
Howard University, a HBCU, just voted to do away with its Classics Department.
I was very sadden to see that news!
Classical education is definitely the best, however it is a fallacy to think that it is necessarily conservative or religious. The very historical figures Ms. Hagstrom herself mentions: Einstein, Jefferson, Galileo, etc, who were educated classically, were free thinkers who questioned religion and were not at all "conservative" by modern American standards.
All this proves is that classical Christian education does not create Christians. God does that. And those you mention were not atheists by any stretch, they saw the futility of that thinking. Their education showed them the fundamental need for God, but they clearly personally rejected it, but had ongoing problems reconciling that rejection with the truth of the world they studied. Galileo said "God is known by nature in his works, and by doctrine in his revealed word."
big mood unless u happen to not be able to afford it
Indeed, although I have been seeing a generation of people going into parenting with ideas of how to live in order to be able to provide this kind of education to their offspring. I'm sure the lady here made big sacrifices too.
At Eric Murphy: says the common core student.
Eukarya Christian Academy, Winchester, Va.
I wonder how classical education would come near me. How can i start such a school? Who would help me start it
Hillsdale College - Barney Classical School Initiative
Does anyone know of a more secular classical education route?