Orcas sink yacht off Portugal
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2022
- An orca interaction with a French Beneteau Oceanis 393 results in the keel being pulled away and the yacht Smousse taking on water. To read the full story - and learn what to do if you encounter orcas - see: bit.ly/3TvvMDZ
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Insurance company: "I'm sorry sir, but acts of Orcas are not covered in your policy"
EXACTLY, THOSE GREEDY MOFOS
100% liklihood of those exact words happening
Bahaha
This stretch of water is well known for Orca's doing this, and there are insurances that cover it, and are almost mandatory for sailing through this area along the spanish and portugese coast.
@@Nardur12321 But why why why do they do it, they attack a boat but not the people?
Right now that Orca is getting another sailboat tattoo on his back. 5 and he's an Ace.
Wish I could give you more than 1 like. For the Orca too!
But only when in a row
Almost like the greatest President Zalenskyy
Comment Award! 🏆🏅👍😁
@@scrcrw183 Flyboys have to take out 5 in one sortie to claim the title of Ace.
This is another prime example of a situation where a person's life is in danger and their yacht is about to be sunk and then they'll be dismembered by orcas but they still don't have the presence of mind to film horizontally.
😂
Did you see a sinking ship?
I for sure didn't.
Why do you think they attacked, they were enraged by portrait mode.
Fair enough if you ask me, only shorts shoukd be captured vertically, and Orcas are neither short nor vertical....
....yet!!
@@yellowgreen5229 orcas are very sensitive to how they are portrayed in videos.
I'm a marine biologist and based on my years of experience I can tell you: "You're going to need a bigger boat".
Nah, just a second rudder 😊
@@ImadogGarcia 🤦♂ You didn't get it.
I thought you were going to say a gun....
What would be a good way to scare them away..?
@@josebazocosta9341 great white sharks are scared of orcas. Just think about that for a second.
Sharks get the heck away of any beach the moment a pod of orcas is nearby, and it takes months for the great whites to dare to get back.
@@ofunelewa1747 "We need your liver"
I dont know about you but for me, getting into that inflatable floating life raft with those chompers out-under there would be absolutely terrifying. 😬
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Tell me about it. No way I get off that boat. These orcas are not friendly.☹
@@harpitap it's reported they started this because they were being injured by these boats. This is why I stay on land
@@harpitap
Yeah! Go down with the boat man! No chomping on lifeboats! 🤭
Everything I have read and seen on RUclips, indicates that there has never been an attack on humans by Orcas in the wild. Don't know if this is completely true, but there is a video of a man swimming along the beach and several Orcas came by and checked him out and then left.
@@allredtail Yes I know, but what's to stop them from "playing" with the life raft.
Sounds terrifying.
Read the Jonathon Swift book Tale of a Tub. It reveals that British Sailors used to carry large wooden barrels on board to toss over for whales to play with that rather than damage wooden planks on sailing vessels
heyyy you are right, i remember that book, good idea to do in the sea when a whale aproach to the boat
Or toss your least valuable crew member overboard. While they're thrashing around drawing orca attention, sail away.
@@JPAttitude if I was captain and you gave me that suggestion, you'd be the dude going overboard.
@@JPAttitude нет не вариант,так только привлечете за вкусненьким большую стаю
@@varvara6455 My phone does not translate but I can guess you are impressed by my practical common sense solution?
Back in November of 2019, my father was in a recreational fishing boat, and they were attacked by a pod of orcas, near Cape Espichel, some 20 kms south from our capital Lisbon. It didn't sink the boat because it had a steel reinforcement in the rear, but it bended in, almost cracking the wood. Since then several attacks have occurred, from Nazaré to Sagres, and the orcas tend to destroy the woden rudders.
“attack” 🙄
They see boats stealing fish so they want revenge
@@sewerface What?
Well to be ark a wooden rudder is fun it makes such a satisfying crack. For the small things on this thing, coast is this direction, have a nice swim 😂
That's gotta be a bad feeling getting into the life raft when a pod of orca just sank your boat.
"But the life raft will be safe, right?"
There is an excellent non-fiction book about killer whales sinking a 43 foot schooner in the Pacific in Jan. 1971, "The Last Voyage of the Lucette". It was written by her skipper Douglas Robertson. He and his family (6 people) survived aboard a dinghy and a rubber boat after drifting in the ocean for many weeks. Regards from Uruguay
Survive the Savage Sea. By the same skipper was also made into a film.
The book is better.
Yes.. it's a hell of a tale. 4 kids 2 adults in a raft and a dinghy.. a story of Sheer Survival.
I believe they were pilot whales.
I remember that. Had to be terrified.
I read that book. Did a book report on it in gr5. Theory was the orcas mistook the boat for a whale. One whale surfaced looking like it had rammed the keel; it had a v-shaped indent on its head. I believe they stove in the hull rather than ripped off the rudder.
The family didn't get off a mayday. If I remember correctly, they spent around 90days at sea, eventually having to be in the one life boat as the other inflatable lost air. When rescued they were all very darkly tanned but their teeth were perfectly white!
Yes they were left with only the small dinghy. The skipper had correctly estimated they were approaching the Panamenian coast, when they were spotted and rescued by a Japanese trawler. Incredible odyssey.
“The orca swam off with the rudder.” That’s rich, right there.
Maybe the did it deliberately... Like "on porpoise?"
Sorry. 😂
@@peterclarke7240 Fun Fact: I've read Moby Dick, forwards & backwards(page by page)
Nothing in there was as funny & ridiculous & terrifying as THIS.
& they obviously just did it just for the halibut. And the bottlenoses, tunas, marlins, swordfish, etc.
“A Swedish yacht was an hour away”
Sure is a long recess for an orca!!! I salute you guys!!! I woulda stayed on that boat until the piece went under!!!😂
Yeah. One of the three rules of sailing, "don't leave the boat until the boat leaves you"
Simply amazing , so glad you were able to get help quickly. You can tell the rest of the story now. You flip him off when he ask for a snack.
This seems like a glaring design flaw in the yacht. Why is there not a bulkhead separating the rudder post hull gland from the rest of the boat? The way this incident is described, the boat sank because they lost their rudder. This seems to be a major vulnerability, where simply running over a sand bar and losing your rudder could sink your boat.
some yatchs have these like the amel and some cats like seawind
In the case of a sand bar the keel would hit first. But otherwise I agree.
Watertight rudder compartment & a relatively weaker point on the rudder post that will break before anything else goes.
Many water tight compartment capable areas throughout the sailboat are essential including beneath the floors.
its the yachts fault now . when will the skipper come in line of your sights. An 39' Oceanis
@@paulpaul9914 you do know what a rudder is for!
Did y'all know that those Orcas are reading your comments here and getting some tips while having a laugh? Y'all need to diffuse and confuse man! Know what I'm sayin'?
Orcas are jerks
Yup. Total dickish behaviour.
@@TRRILCS I'm having that on a T shirt.
Did you know there are nwo orcas trying to enslave all the other orcas
Blaaaaaaaaaaaah 🤣🤣🤣. Good one !
Orcas are trained by the local shipyard!
Imagine this happening at night in the middle of the ocean.
NO biggie. That's called "natural selection ".
I would love to hear the call to the insurance agent explaining this one.
I would say it was pirates !
Unfortunately this is not an isolated event. There have been a whole wave of orca attacks on yachts around south of Spain in recent years.
@@kevinhoffman8214 Arrr! It's not always pirates.
" We know a thing, because we've seen a thing " based off the comments.
.. .we are Orcas.. da da da da ddd da da
You can't get marine insurance to compensate vrs orca attack in this area any more. If you're sailing the Nth Spain (Biscay) route round to the Straits of Gib you're now uninsured against Orca if your vessel is between a certain size. "At owners risk" is now the phrase I believe.
"The orca seemed to be playing"
Yes, it's a known orca behavior to play with their food
I was thinking the same thing.
"Don't worry it won't bite"
@@nbgoodiscore1303 it will only swallow you whole lol
It is. They love the ice-floe challenge....
@rogerio penner😅👌best comment
I just swam with these beauties everyday for a week in the fjords of northern Norway.
Beautiful, empathetic, and extremely intelligent creatures. No attacks on humans in the wild EVER and never any signs of aggression. Many have though been severely harmed by rudders, so maybe that is the explanation.
Wow, that sounds like an amazing experience
The best experience of my life - I am forever changed and will be going back next year❤️🐬🥰
Kittycat 82 Kittycat 82 Is this like a guided scuba diving tour you go on or a guided "camera safari", etc., can you give us information on it, and also possibly post any photos or videos you have?
@@KittycatKittycat-jr3ug oh, I’m dying to see video
Liar
Orcas can be A Holes. Some pod's are great, some pods are Aholes. Its like the group of teenagers at the park, some are just messing around with their friends causing no harm, and other are making a nuisance of themselves, playing loud music, maybe a bit of graffiti. When I lived in Gibraltar pretty much all the pods we came across with Aholes :)
That's the uncomfortable truth most people don't want to admit. Intelligence is what allows an entity to be capable of virtue but it is also what allows it to be capable of vice. People like to believe that orcas only display the former in their interaction with humans but refuse to believe that they are also capable of the latter.
They sound like the 'teens' at a sneaker store at the mall who always seem to make the evening news...
Never yet seen a teen bite off a car wheel though...
They will. Humans are still evolving.
I was onboard "Carissa" (Swan 441) which was attacked by orcas in October 2021 near Finisterre, Spain. We lost the rudder, but both our crew and our yacht survived.
Thanks to the orcas, I got to fulfill my longtime dream to visit Santiago de Compostela. And I can suggest Finisterre for a vacation - it is a nice little town and not a tourist trap like the Southern Spanish sites.
You see the Orcas know what is best
Thanks for your comment Susanna, we have 'Learning from Experience' pages in Practical Boat Owner if you would like to share your story. The payment is an original Dick Everitt painting depicting the scenario. Please email pbo@futurenet.com
Hmm Wonder if the residents in Santiago de Compostela have hired an Orca trainer to attack the boats?
There has to be an easier way than that.
@@practicalboatowner Thanks! I will write a short description on how it happened!
Nothing like a nice well built steel yacht!
I think aluminium sailboat is pretty tough also
@@ShivamSharma-rr6tr I know it's not as tough as steel.
I have a full (hull+deck) steel custom build 38' sailboat with a welded on keel and skeg hung rudder. Plus my skeg is connected to the keel below the propeller with another 2' welded on round bar. I'm in Victoria BC. Our coastal waters are ful of logs, deadheads, fishing nets and lines and who knows what else. Orcas occasionaly playing with our anchor chains and are able to drag around decent size boats just for the fun of it but knowing how my boat is build I sleep like a baby. There's too many simillar 'accidents' of mass produced plastic boats lately and it looks suspiciously as a pattern to me. Spade rudder(s), bolted on keels, huuge wide open 'party' cockpits, undersized chainplates and standing rigging - these (and many other) things are designed to fail. Your new bluetooth navstation with touchscreen doesn't mean much if your boat is sinking because someone designed and build it poorly just to maximize his profit.
I think these are the same pod of orcas off the coast of Spain that scientists have been keeping an eye on because theyve been known to attack boats. It used to be 3 juveniles, the leader had a massive scar on its nose probably from a boat and one of the theories is that the leader was actively taking revenge on any boat it would come across, which includes ripping off rudders and ramming into boats. You can google more of the story.
Smart animals remember trauma. I'd suggest they're "reacting" to that trauma rather than "projecting" that they're thinking "revenge" the way we do. But the result is the same thing. I've had cats, bulls, and horses do that: react to a bad experience and it altered their behavior no matter. I couldn't "unschool" their reactions.
I've read about this, too. My daughter is going to Alaska soon and has booked a whale watching excursion on a catamaran, trying to get over her crazy fear of whales. I'm not gonna tell her about this!
Sailboat design flaws were the first thing the Captain and crew were discussing while taking turns blowing up the inflatable.
What’s so funny, is - they did it with such ease! Then it’s: “See ya!”. How many times has this occurred in pre- technology days??! Like - boats going out and never returning, and people wouldn’t have guessed that an orca has pulled the rudder off. This was fantastic. (Not in the ‘great’ meaning of’ the word fantastic, but in the ‘almost unbelievable’ application of the world.
OMG I died when you said “See Ya” …I’m still laughing.
Excellent. I’m so glad. I was peein myself at this end when I first saw it
And I a little bad laughing because they lost their boat. A really flash one. But it was too good.. The little bastards
I bet never because these poor animals didnt had their territory and home destroyed nor did they have anything electronic back then so they weren’t annoyed by all the loud sounds
This reminds of a story I once heard about. Back in 1977 a rogue orca terrorized an entire fishing town because one of the captains killed it's pregnant mate! It wasn't until the orca killed the fishing captain did the rampage end!
They've been watching everyone's podcasts and decided to be the main attraction in them.
So cute when animals interact with people.
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I know what I'd be doing.
Slow moving target that orca.
Until someone is eaten.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 Then I hope you're their next victim. There are too many humans on this planet and too few orca.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 Small brains are prone to violent reaction.
I'd try playing RAP music very loudly with the speakers pushed up against the hull. That will drive any thinking creature away.
Sorry about Trump’s loss brother how are you holding up?
@@waynetables6414 Sorry you’re the exact same color as what’s in my toilet after I drink coffee, how are you holding up?
@@lollipop4163 I'm sorry my joke made you upset and i'm sorry your joke was bad and confusing
@@waynetables6414 Sorry you don’t understand my comment, maybe you need to go back to school and learn some reading comprehension?
@@waynetables6414 Not surprised 1 sentence confused you, basketball is more your thing huh?
I’ve observed them in the wild, and the only thing freighting about them is we don’t know how smart they really are. Always amazing to see them unless they rip your rudder off
Or your head!😮
Always cracks me up when some do not believe that animals can think.
I sailed the world in a 39ft steel hull sailboat. Two water tight compartments.. I wasn't fast but I never worried about being at the bottom of the ocean. The times with little sleep are in the shipping channel's.
I've seen quite a few videos of orcas playing with boats, I think it is more of a curiosity than an attack. Spade rudders are not known for their strength.
This. Most modern fiberglass yachts have absolutely no built-in watertight compartments. And a spade rudder unsupported by a fin keel is inherently a bad design for an ocean-going boat.
I bought an Etap, frankly I dread the idea of sinking so the unsinkable feature is a great blessing. Never the less I am also thinking of making the cabin door watertight, it doesn't look too hard to me. Boats tend to get holed forward so I would prefer not to be standing in a foot of water for weeks while sailing to Port. Also the propulsion might still work. Also the reduction in stability will be less if only the forward compartment is flooded. I think the bilge pump will cope with any leakage past the main bulkhead. I will need a separate bilge pump for the forward compartment as the drainage holes will need to be blocked off.
The maximum loss of freeboard is 11 inches when fully waterlogged. If the forward compartment only is flooded then it will be much less. Years ago we used to calculate waterline using drawings and kirchoffs integration approximation. Nowadays I am sure there is a computer simulation.
Water tight compartments? What happens if you were to use one? Would your compartment simply float on the ocean until someone found you? Would you have a source of communication inside of the compartment? Big enough to breath in, until help arrived? Genuinely curious about this!
@@rorywilliams5131 have you seen the ancient method of wrapping the hull with a sail/tarp to keep water out? worth investigating and putting extra cleat on
@@SuperChuckRaney m
I haven’t heard of the Orcas stacking sailboats with full keels yet. It seems they are only attacking spade rudders.
I heard of a Colin Archer design attacked in Biscay area... this summer i think.
@@rollonfresh Dang that would be the first I’ve heard of.
@@rollonfresh I have a 49' Colin Archer with outboard rudder with heavy duty gudgeon & pintles design. What was the outcome of the incident?
A Nauticat 44 had its rudder broken by one in this area about 2 years ago.
@@jasonmcintosh2632 Interesting. Now I know of two. I’d be interested to see a ratio of spade rudders vs full keels, but probably there are many more spade rudders out there at this point anyway.
Je pars de la Corogne pour Porto demain, je suis bien content d'avoir un bateau en acier.
What was the hull made of? Just curious.
They weren't aggressive but sure made clear their opinion of ocean biologist.😂
"They weren't aggressive."
They sank your boat. For orcas I'd call that pretty aggressive. Plus you have no idea what they would have done if a person fell in the water. It's true that no orca has ever attacked a human in the wild (that we know of) but that only because no orca has decided to attack a human.
Or no human has ever survived an attack from an orca to tell about it
@@rubberDUCK-rd4vu Yeah they never talk about that possiblity.
we know almost for certain that they wouldn't be attacked by the orcas. we're not a food source and they probably recognize that we're not a fight they want to pick as a species. more humans have been killed by cows, birds, spiders, mosquitos, rats, the family dog, you name it. that said, being marooned 15 miles offshore in your dingy can very well be a death sentence if the weather picks up, and in that light it's surely aggressive. the orcas know they're doing damage. would take a hell of a strong animal to tear the rudder off a boat capable of riding out the kinds of swells you see off of the coast of portugal.
@@Peter-zg3em Attacking people isn't normal behavior for orcas but neither is sinking boats.
Eating rudders seems to be popular.
A change of paint flavour is recommended. 🙄
Its fun to break stuff! Wonder if the orcas are just enjoying this new game and seem to know its a sail boat's weak spot. Probably makes a gratifying 'snap' when it breaks off. My dog is an expert at disassembling toys and various household items. Its a game to him and he's developed his own techniques for quicker disassembly!
The boat is mearly a toy and the rudders are the thingy they snap off. Call it practicing for a kill. They teach it very well. Akin to the Orcas ripping great white livers out, watching the big fish sink to Davy Jones locker.
Or if they're been handing this behavior down for generations since the days of wooden whalers!
What an unfortunate encounter. I’m glad the sailors were ok but that could’ve ended very differently, I’m sure.
Having seen photos of the damage caused to other vessels, I have noticed that all the pics I have seen, have been of spade and outboard type rudders, unless I’ve missed them I haven’t seen any attacks on Skeg or full keel rudders, can someone clarify this?
ruclips.net/video/Y-CYjFy_Alg/видео.html
I think this says more about the yacht design, state of maintenance, and the crew ability than it does about the orca.
A rudder post is not an inconsiderable stainless steel rod. On good yachts, the rudder post is sheathed in hull-thick fibreglass to a level above waterline, so if you do lose your rudder, there is not a hole below the water. However... rudder glands are reasonably accessible. Any crew member that knows what they are doing should be able to get to it and hammer an emergency bung in from the inside...or, terrifying as it might be, jump in and put one in from the outside.
This video is all about people not doing anything especially useful to saving the ship (I should be seeing the back deck lockers torn open to get access to the rudder post, to at least assess the situation).
Lastly... a boat like that weights maybe 5-8tons depending on construction...and it is meant to be designed for light groundings and impacts with the bottom. In other words... if you get the tide wrong and end up bouncing off the bottom of your anchorage for a few hours, it is not meant to be catastrophic. I promise that such impacts would be far more than a killer whale could exert in playing with a rudder.... Something weird is going on here.
Last of all, All else failing, why is no one trying to transfer all possible mass tot he bow of the boat so as to life the damaged area out of the water? The rudder post is right up the back, and though close by the engine, it is pretty possible to weight the bow down enough that you pivot the cockpit just clear of the water, this would buy many hours for repair or rescue.
Multiple orcas hitting a boat Vs beaching is not comparable! You've never seen how much power of you say that! I agree about the rudder. It's a very common thing in that area to happen, You're suppose to put in reverse and stop and turn off all power and electronic. This never happens to fishing boat for some reason and it's always young orcas from the same group
Even if put plastic bag in hole from outside, the flow becomes minimal, you can pump it out.
I've seen a few videos online about orcas attacking rudders lately. What is happening?
As described here as well
ruclips.net/video/KmgjWdIc7jc/видео.html
Bored orcas found a new game. Just saw a pod taking the piss out of a boats motor with a distinct hiyaaa! Call after making engine noise. Orcas thought it was hilarious. Orcas can be d***s sounds like these easily snap and they are after being chased. Cats will break stuff to get attention.
Aww, they didn't know how important the rudder was. I'm glad no one and no orcas were injured.
friends from me had the same problem . they put a big red blow up ball in the ocean and they left the boat alone . they where more interested in the red ball
That is the cheapest most practical solution I've seen yet in the comment section.
Yup bored teenagers
Could it be a boat motored (or sailed) over an Orca and the keel, rudder, or prop wounded the animal so it is "attacking" that part of the boat??
This doesn't surprise me. They are incredibly intelligent creatures.
Basically killer dolphins on steroids.
And scary when they want to be...
this apperently started to be an issue during lock-down, they are not sure yet as to why the orcas do that. so far, prcas havent been hostile at all to humans
What's so intelligent about ripping a rudder off a boat and sinking it?
@@bryanwithat6763 I would give them credit for working out it's a method for steering. In the same way they break up icebergs to get the seal on top, they want to see if a bit of damage might force something edible to emerge from the boat...
When Nature Strikes Back.
But we sailors never struck first…
No, se equivoca usted, el ser humano en Democracia y Libertad tiene dos Gobiernos incompetentes en Portugal y en España.
Esto es una cuestión de Estado, las aguas españolas y portuguesas.
It's a blessing to be able to say that orcas sank YOUR yacht.
That organize thinking, “ i’ll just take my toy and go home.”
This sort of activity by this orca pod close to Portugal has been noted for close to a year now. If boats try to out run them, it appears they figure it's a game and always seem to go for damaging the rudder in particular with every ship that DOES NOT heave to and appear to be an inactive object. People, when you see a pod approaching, HEAVE TO and take photos and video, and wait for them to swim away. They will see you not as a threat to their fishing grounds, their territory, and that your vessel is nothing more than a floating thing in the ocean. Who knows, they may have become aggressive in this area by fishermen shooting at them for 'stealing' the catch from the fishermen, it's been happening on Canada's west coast with the orcas there along with seals. There had to be a law put into place to stop the practice or at least slow the bastards down. It's their home world, we just happen to like some of the same things that they eat, so take a pill, sit down while heaved to and take some photos and videos and don't think all your screaming, banging on the sides of your vessel and letting off some sort bang instrument will chase them off. They'll only come back with a vengeance and who remembers the scene from Moby Dick of the whale attacking and sinking the whaling ship. So don't be a dick, power down, bob about for maybe an hour, maybe less, until the orcas get bored and move on to other 'sailors' who are loud and think it's their right and not the whales to be on the ocean. Who knows you might save a life of those that get sunk because they didn't know when to back off.
Well said.
The scientists say that they may just have fun pushing the boat around like a spin top by pushing the rudder. Imagine a toddler who has found a fun game that they just know is fun and don't really consider the consequences to humans.
Great
West coast Canadian here. Agree Completely. Behavior is changing and we need to change also. For once maybe humans can learn to back up and back off.
Paul, please - Moby Dick is not a documentary. - don't project human intent on to animals, they do not have twitter.
There has been quite a lot of interactions with Orca near Portugal which suggests that a specific group have developed a game or activity with sail boat rudders. This could be their version of cow tipping, it is unlikely to be related to some kind of human psyche vindictive nonsense to be taken personally.
Serious suggestions Do Not have weak rudder mounts, and have strong Stainless Steel Rudder Stocks, and as they do seem to be looking for toys to play with, keep a few brightly coloured Beach Balls on board, as Orcas love to play a type of Water Polo, using Seals as Balls. So if daylight, and Orcas approach, throw a beach Ball well to the Stern, to distract them away from your boat. Beach Balls Could become an expected Toll for Sailboats travelling through their Waters though. 🤔
It seems a good suggestion
That's really interesting.
Interesting idea. Needs to be tried. But, I'm not going to volunteer.
That is about the funniest comment so far. A beach ball! And here was me thinking of giving them a fireworks display with flares on my 12 foot gidgee, followed by a no nonsense prodding with a pointy stick. I'll leave the 12 gauge power head until I really need it. I wonder what they would do with an inflatable unicorn?
See my comment about the book Tale of a Tub by Jonathon Swift
Sorry I did not see the orca swimming away with the rudder. Does not the rudder mounting placed above the water line. ?
Perhaps the skipper jumps in the water for breakfast for the Orca then the Orca will agree that the woman can live
We're gonna need a bigger boat!
I bet someone used that line….waiting their entire life to use it….I would.
Lo que se necesita es dejar de tener unos gobernantes incompetentes y con ideologías que ponen en peligro a las personas y permiten el destrozo de las cosas.
El Gobierno de España y el de Portugal no hacen nada. Si esto fuera los años 70, ya se habría tomado medidas contundentes desde hace tiempo.
Thank God that you guys are saved.
Si, gracias a Dios porque de ser por el Gobierno de España o de Portugal (no hacen nada).
Llevamos años de desgracia y ataques de este grupo de orcas sin que las autoridades tomen la medida contundente que deberían tomar.
Son co-responsables de lo sucedido. En los años 70, esto se hubiera atajado al poco tiempo.
You are right you were definitely not panicking, so relaxed in the video so much so you didn't even bother stressing yourselves out making any effort to even try and save her😅, there was plenty of material to block the largest of holes from seat cushions to bed mattresses. 😅🥰
The video and the quoted news report were not the same incident.
Guess you had to be there
One question: Was the depth sounder on?
this family is well known by sailors
This seems to happen in waves. In other words many incidents close together. And Portugal seems to be a hot spot. Around Australia there have been many incidents where boats have been battered and sunk. Orcas are found virtually everywhere. From the Arctic to the Antarctic and everywhere in between. I call them the cosmopolitan whales.
Hi John I'm looking for info on Australian orca encounters of this type, can't find any? where should I get info on this, plan to sail this area.
@@AlanNordin There aren't.Guy is just spouting nonsense about Oz.
This incidents have pretty much never happened before,anywhere.It is a behaviour that started in three Orcas (the 3 Gladys) and now has spread to several groups.They all migrate back&forth between Gibraltar and the Cantabric Sea.Probably more than 100 "interactions" (sic).
If you want a plan B because things look bad (ie getting sunk) you could consider a 3m steel hollow tube , hold it half submerged and hit it with a hammer or winch handle.
There are also specialized firecrackers that will pop even underwater but probably illegal in any first world country.
These methods will not damage the Orcas, it is what they use to drive marine mammals away from toxic spill areas.
@@maca5645 thanks, I pretty much positive he was full of BS. just wanted his 'factual' reply. I have a 49' Colin Archer with full keel & outboard hung rudder so not that concerned as those with spade rudders. many sailors consider spade rudders & bolt on keels poor choices for heavy duty offshore use
It is rather surreal that most comments are about orcas and what we "know" of such circumstances. As for me I express my real compassion for the crew members and skipper for what they have felt during these moments. Being rescued does not spare the anguish and devastation at seeing one's boat sink. Hats off.
Right ppl swear up and down that they know animals that they have never been in contact with and they have a heart for animals more than people, this world is scary.
So people cant have "real" compassion for animals? Who said it wasnt devastating when they said something about what is known of orca behaviour?
@@_em. because many comments talk about this "real compassion" like "good for them! Humans deserved it!" there is no middle ground sometimes. Of course one can show real compassion for animals. However when someone simply trashes every single human on sight (and no many people do not mention the scare someone might get if these massive creatures sank the boat) that is not really "real compassion" to me. Compassion should involve both ends of the spectrum when situations like this happen. Obviously I won't say the same seeing pouchers who torment the animals but people who hurt no one? No I ain't trash-talking them
@@katerinaaqu sure that can be true for some comments but not all. And also, i personally dont believe individuals should ever be blamed for the actions of someone else. But humans (as a whole) have caused a lot of damage to orcas as a species. Me pointing that out doesnt mean im happy orcas have done this. In fact, i would be a lot more happy if there was a better relationship between our species. A lot of comments are just simply stating this is a new behaviour. People pointing that out are pointing out a fact. Not someone assuming they "know" the individual animal that did this. Op ignoring a fact in favor of passive aggressively implying (i am acknowledging that its an implication so im not saying it was directly said but the implication is there nonetheless) orcas themselves dont deserve compassion is...um idk the opposite of what youre saying? Where was the compassion in the original comment for the orcas that youre saying should be put as like a disclaimer to make sure all side were shown compassion? Just wondering.
Pointing out a fact about known orca behaviour (which plenty of orca enthusiasts are aware of) does not automatically come with one saying "the humans deserved it". Sure, maybe not a lot of people added, sucks for the humans, but a lot of people "pick sides" in this type of sitiuation (including yall bc youre saying it should be all encompassing and equal......again where is ops compassion for the orcas?).
My stomach dropped when i saw the thumbnail. I really do feel for the crew of that boat. I ALSO know a lot of actual facts about orca behaviour. Not because ive met any in real life, but bc i love them a lot and look for info about them. I know some people did say disparaging things about humans but certainly not everyone who genuinely cares about the orcas feel that way. So to imply knowing something about a species that the rest of the world hardly gives a crap about is "fake knowledge" or us just fooling ourselves when its OBSERVABLE behaviour, is damn near hypocritical when acting like yall KNOW the people on the boat did nothing wrong. Im NOT saying they did, just op being like " so many feel compassion for animals they dont know" (paraphrasing) when yall dont know the humans involved. Kind of the same thing.
@@_em. Nobody mentioned you in particular. I mention it as a general thing. Humans have also done great things too like trying to control the populations of certain species, included orcas, trying to rectify the damage caused. Humans "as a whole" to me doesn't necessarily apply to reality because again, the entire human species cannot be blamed because the primary cause of distress on certain species has been humans. That's all. Like you said, individuals should be judged for their actions.
OP literally said nothing of that. What they said is what I said too in my explanation; that people of that kind tend to say everything bad about humans and everything good of animals as if they wish humans to get extinct because apparently "they deserve it" and many people do say that almost word for word. They also mentioned that people make assumptions about the animals like "they take revenge for their loved ones" etc. They literally said nothing like "orcas deserve no sympathy" or "let them suffer". Literally nothing of the comment implied me that. They simply said that they would care firs for the humans that got in shock and were suddenly forced to abandon their ship and not to the orcas that had nothing to them in this video. Simple as that. Not all comments have to explain everything bit by bit.
Again many people say exactly that. They don't even imply it. They simply say "they deserve it". That is also a sad fact. That there is no middle ground. There are plenty of comments like that around.
(Again the op spoke nothing of the orcas like they are monsters. he simply stated that he first worries of the humans that had to abandoned their boat. Nothing of his comment spoke ill of orcas)
Again the OP mentions certain comments of people who always go like "oh they take revenge for their loved ones! Humans killed them or a boat killed them and they take revenge!" which is a big issue right now that people always say stuff like that. Again they do not attack you personally or any other person personally but from where I stand simply mentions that people often get awfully worked up when they wanna blame humans. Again implies nothing of people who actually know stuff.
Again to return your words nothing implies that the orcas didn't do something else out of the seer pleasure of it (and we do know that orcas get carried away when they play)
Look this loop ends nowhere. Like I said before I see no bad thing said in OP's comment about orcas. He though firstly is concerned for the wellbeing of humans who might have gotten hurt in a millions of ways outside the orca swimming around. For starters be wounded by the debris or some other injury. And he might push it a bit but still I didn't see any comment of the kind "the orcas deserve to pay the humans could have gotten hurt" wilst I have seen plenty of comments on the internet for the other way round so I see why they push it. That's all.
As far as I am concerned OP mentions nothing bad of the orcas. I could be wrong of course but still as far as I am concerned I do not see something bad about orcas there
When I saw the caption and the action I immediately thought, "The Orcas are playing." Games to them are life and death to us. Glad everyone was safe.
If I sailed in this area I would be retro fitting a stern hung, dagger type rudder that could be raised completely out of the water . Not overly expensive to do compared to the alternative of being sunk.
To install a rudder special for Orca's is nuts but boats need to use rudders that can be dammaged with out sinking the ship.
@@Triggernlfrl Of course, a lifting ,transom hung rudder must be nuts, who in the world would want to able to lift their rudder?There's only a dozen good reasons to be able to, but obviously your opinion of "nuts" is final as you have provide so much evidence to dispute the benefits. Thank you for setting me straight.
A similar event happened to me in another sailboat, but it didn't sink because it was made better. I wish more sailors realized that cheap Beneteaus are unsafe because they and most production sailboats don't have a watertight bulkhead separating the rudder compartment from the cabin. Sail in a better boat and you will lose your rudder, but not the boat.
All is about price , obviously.
@@paullefaire7112 Paul, not trying to be pugilistic, but it's not price. It's awareness. There is one production manufacturer who makes sailboats with watertight bulkheads and I don't think anyone knows who it is or cares and that is why sailboat manufacturers don't do it because buyers don't ask for it and so those looking to save a buck don't do it. It doesn't add that much cost to do, it is more about awareness and knowledge.
Sorry did you say your name was bill gates 👀oh iight buddy calm down remember a chunk of ice sunk the titanic
@@dayday-cq6hy You're speaking out of ignorance and using hyperbole. There are a few production sailboats with watertight bulkheads. In 2018, I sold more sailboats than any yacht broker in the US. Not one person ever asked me abut watertight bulkheads and safety. Not one. The reason Beneteau and others don't build safe boats is because there is no demand for it.
I sailed a Beneteau for many years, like many I could not afford a Swan or Hallberg.
the orcas demanding all aquatic mammals locked in a mega size pool/aquarium for entertainment purposes to be free hahaha
They really do look like it's all a big play session 😂
I had to come back. Because this is so funny. It’s caught me fancy . The orca swam off with the rudder, lol ! They remind me if my cats - they just wreck the joint for hell of it, then go to sleep in the middle of it. Monsters. I wouldn’t give ‘em up for anything. However, I wouldn’t want them under my boat, lol. Thus us too funny - because they’re just being impish. No evil is involved- yet so deadly. It’s just wryly funny - like life sometimes: it doesn’t MEAN to hurt you. It just DOES
This is not the first time rhat I have read about orcas attacking boats off the coast of Portugal... be careful out there...
It’s the Gibraltar Gang.!
killemall sell 2 japan
I can here it now,
Watch this Georgia, watch the funny two legs scramble!😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Did u save the yacht? Or let it sink?
This is why all offshore vessels should have water tight compartments at least fore and aft.
I agree. I have had a Beneteau Sense 50 and now a 51.1 in both models the rudder post is enclosed in a robust support structure which is above the water line. A snapped-off rudder post would not flood the boat. However hull damage aft could flood and potentially sink the boat. I am looking for ways to make the whole aft compartment water tight. Most likely I'll use expandable foam to seal all bulkhead openings.
...Hmmmm, I believe the Orca attack is directly connected to the Yatch's diesel engine frequencies noises. That were indirectly interfering with the Orcas sonar.
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Meaning this, since Orcas use sonar, I believe the engine's noise (frequencies), caused the Orcas to rip out the Rudder as it did, since it's located next to the engine.
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As a means to get the diesel engine frequency noises to STOP!!!!!!!!!🔥🔥
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In fact, I believe the underwater engine frequencies would have cause pain and aggression in the orcas.
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If my hypothesis is correct, these orcas would have attacked this yacht as a defense mechanism.
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I took my hypothesis, and did a short research to offer validity to my hypothesis.
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I found a (2016) article that actually did a good job in bringing to light this very topic.
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Below is excerpt regarding what I believe caused the Orcas to attack this Yatch in the first place.
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And I PRAY shed some light, offering a plausible reason as to why these Orcas attacked as they did.
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With the hope of bringing a safe resolution to both people and the Orcas going forward.
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Thank You - 💜🙏🥰
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EXCERPT: ..."In October, the Coastal Commission placed a ban on captive orca breeding at Sea World in San Diego.
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However, life in captivity isn't the only thing that poses a problem for killer whales.
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The Washington Post published a study by PeerJ, an environmental sciences magazine, entitled, "Ship noise extends to frequencies used for echolocation by endangered killer whales."
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This may not come as a surprise to anyone who has ever snorkeled around boats.
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The sound travels far and the throb of an engine can feel like it's going right through you.
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But just imagine if you were also equipped with sonar, and the way you communicate is through hearing and vibration in a world where sound can travel uninterrupted for miles.
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In fact, this is one of the factors that makes captivity so hard on whales and dolphins.
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As Jane Goodall said, they are living 'in an acoustical hell."'
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Noise pollution may be harming the world's most endangered killer whales: t.co/xaiYRFgF85 via @TakePart pic.twitter.com/3CMuvNinqe
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Concur. Like someone barging into your house uninvited and screaming at full voice, nonstop. Eventually you'll want to quiet them down, however that happens.
OR maybe the Orcas were just being A-holes.
Thank you for that.
…”they weren’t aggressive” 😂
Sinking ships is their version of "having fun"!
The power of nature
They cracked it open like a soda can. 😂😂😂
I love these orcas. Green peace's whale training program seems to be going smoothly.
Orca showing his buddies how he knows how to sink a ship cause they were bugging him he couldn’t do it
This seems to be happening more frequently. They were bound to sink someone soon enough. The question is WHY THIS BEHAVIOR????? Nice to know they were not aggressive because that would have been really dangerous and scary. Wondering if modifications to the rudder are in order.
For RUclips likes!!!!!
This pod of orcas can communicate with captive orcas in those disgusting amusement parks.
They are striking yachts Spain and Portugal because that’s where the rich dude that started Sea World keeps his yacht.
So, if you’re some rich guy with a yacht in Spain you’ll be targeted by these orcas. They’ve had enough of being exploited.
Totally agreed full grown Orca in aggressive hunting mode are nothing like this.. they can and do work together in extraordinary hunting tactics that show this juvenile delinquent rough play ...disapproval behaviour for what it is. Remember these are essentially the apex predator in their realm and have an intelligence and senses to match. They are governed if at all by the matriarch's of the pod.
If a matriarch has been lost like with elephants on land youngster will form their own pods but without the experience and control of the matriarch's.
The other possibility is that the matriarch's have had negative experiences and they are allowing the younger generation to push back against what they see as nuisance intruders.. in their feeding grounds..
Either way its we who have to figure out a way of negotiating passage and building better boats anyway..
The same threats to navigation and whales foul props hulls and rudders as kill and trap whales and shark's...
Just some thoughts based on two plus years of reports on these events ..
Why? Orca are highly sentient animals . They have some reason for this behaviour near Portugal. Did a human yacht kill an orca recently for no good reason near there? I bet if they did, they never admitted to it. Perhaps the orca who lost their loved one, think they now need to protect themselves from human boats. Fair enough IMO. It is their ocean, not ours. If humans go out there killing things, we should expect this. It's no different from townsfolk killing a dangerous beast that's coming into their town and killing their people. If you are intelligent, love your kinsfolk and don't want them in danger, you fight to protect them.
@@chrisdraughn5941 bruh I’m high enough rn to entertain that and it’s scary and cool af
Have you ever seen an Orca tip an iceberg to eat a seal? These are very intelligent animals. They are not playing! Get real!
The latest science on the Portugal/Gibraltar behaviour is that they are playing.
The more intelligent the more animals play. Take humans for example...
@@laurencevanhelsuwe3052 mammals play with their food it's a very well known behavior.
They dont eat the Humans if the go to water.
To all the replies - these are not fluffy wuffy kittens - you go in the water with them first I will stand and watch the carnage. This pod has attacked numerous vessels and they need to "unlearn" fast using old fashioned "science". Playing, my arse !!
Quite upsetting to watch, and what a nerve-racking experience. Glad the crew got out safely.
Just like some newer light aircraft come with parachutes, how cool would it be to build in self inflating airbags, to keep boats afloat, in cases like this?
I know from personal encounters with other dolphins, which is what Orcas really are, that they are intelligent & have a sense of humour & do kinda roughhouse once in a while.
Friendly but indeed wild & the apex predator of the ocean.
Treat with respect.
Could it be time to have those inflatable air bags that are used to raise boats up from being sunk, like if you have the time to inflate them down below,it might help the boat to stay afloat ?
I'm talking about the boats who sail in these known waters that seem to encounter Orca ,or is there ultrasound devices that may deter the Orca ?
Definitely an issue that the rudder gets knocked off and the boat sinks ,are there any design standard's that would deal with that ?
Best outcome is you are safe and well , sorry that the boat was a loss .
Search, I believe the term is self rescue devises. There are systems that can be inflated but they and the compressed gas cylinders are heavy and take a lot of room.
Well you could buy an Etap. They are rated as unsinkable. However the stuff you are talking about would be about as practical as carrying parachutes and a spare aircraft on a jet liner. They take up enormous space and the weight all up would be close to 70% of your rated loading so once you get on board, not only will there be nowhere to sleep, there will be nothing to eat either.
@@philgray1023 now you have explained this ,I see the reasons they don't use or have them now
@@thatdave86 My wife has suggested those big gym balls, however you need to blow up enough to displace 10 tonnes of water just to keep a 40 foot yacht floating. Meanwhile I'll be floating away in my liferaft while she's still trying to find the inflator pump.
Hello, marine biologist, for orcas the rudder looks like a shark fin that needs to be attacked.....Many boats have rudder attack only. So, why not paint the rudders a different color ( if orcas are color sensitive )?
They just learned how funny it is to bite parts of boats of and enjoy the reactions of these panicking small creatures.
Apparently I'm missing an opportunity to see orcas, I live in Portugal, right on the coast. Maybe I'll get lucky and see one.
they don't get close to the shore often, but it does happen - you're more likely to see bottlenose dolphins though
Orcas are very intelligent animals 😂 they got carried away in their play time #orcas
No argument Orca are intelligent, or that they are curious or engage in play behavior. Calling this an example of play, however, is a stretch, IMHO. No one calls it play when a bull elephant rams the side of a Hummer, and Elephants are also intelligent, curious and sometimes playful creatures.
Only speculating here but if something had ever happened to any of the Orcas in thay pod like say a curious baby orca just happened to get to close to the boat and got injured or killed then it makes perfect sense that they would then seek out and stop the threat to them in their own minds. Years ago we had a couple Orcas come up to our boat when we was fishing and they started making motorboat sounds on the surface of the water and would also swim in a certain direction and then repeat until we started out boat and they left
Damn, this is almost right out of that 70's flick starring Richard Harris...
Didn't they have any inflatable bags, material to plug the hole or a sump pump?
There's something going on in that part of the ocean. A pod has learned it can attack and disable boats and they've sunk a few. I'm wondering how long it'll take for them to figure out those sinking boats hold food! And attacking a life raft would be like playing with toys at SeaWorld.
indeed, how long does it take before all brainwashed WWF types see that this is a life threathening situation for sailors?
Don't compare anything please to this evil sea world...
We swim and dive with them all the time. If they considered us to be food it would have gone badly long ago.
@@mojrimibnharb4584 i think it depends on their priorities.
In one instance they want so badly to go to a natural home...the other, who knows...food most likely.
These aren't simple animals.
They have opinions.
@@user1.8.2. Even orca that have killed humans (at seaworld) don't eat them. What an animal sees as food is rarely a matter of choice.
It’s great reading all the comments by the Keyboard Experts! 🙄🤦🏻😆
Maybe you dont know that here are some keyboard experts that have experienced orca attacks to their boats.
tell us everything jack
@@VitorRodrigues-mj4cq that makes you an expert.....!? 🤨🤣
I’m sure the insurance companies are going to start denying orca claims lol
“The crew managed to get on the life raft”
Orca: Damn missed that, hold my drink…
I love Orcas and I hate that this happened. I hope that no one was injured and that the boat owner has good insurance. I'm sorry that this happened to ya'll.
I am the Orca that did this. I don't like people from the Southern States.
Esto es ridículo.
@@eduardovera8762 So when us Orca's speak we are ridiculous? Its that type of thinking that made me attack the rudder in the first place eduardove.
@@marcfitzhenry7581 Sorry, I don´t understand what are you mean?
@@eduardovera8762 i was just being silly. I was pretending to be a Orca.
I think the Orcas are sending us all a message. Not sure why they choose sailing yachts. Maybe because people who own these boats might be connected to help them. I am glad they are not in the Great Lakes. Maybe though, we all need to look closely at what is happening. We are polluting their homes, taking all of their food - through over fishing and pollution. I am sure someone else has thought of this? If not, then let’s start now!
I hear that Orcas are delicious!
It won't take long, they'll bump a boat owned by a Texan or Floridian and this "curiosity game" or "attack" or "spiritual karma" for pollution or "overfishing" or 'learned behaviour", whatever you "think" it is, will be "unlearned" at he speed of a .357.
@@yankeepirate8927 sadly, so true what you said.
what if I turn the engine on? will it be enough to scare them?
If it ripped the rudder out I am assuming it would leave a rudder pole sized hole. A lot of water, yes, but they didn't try to patch it at all?
If it is learned behaviour, then the logical question would be: "How can you break the habit?
But this question is apparently not allowed to be asked aloud.
Heard of electric eels? How about "Electric Keels." Just hit the button when the orcas get close.
At the "school of Orcas"?
Try knowing (researching) something about the waters you're entering, prior to going there.
And if you can't afford a larger, stronger vessel, then maybe don't go so far out to sea in your "pleasure" boat.
WTF were they doing out there, anyway...🙄
"Break the habit"?
IF, by which, you mean to use violence against the creatures whose home territory has been used as a playground for the somewhat moneyed, then that's phucked.
It's not the answer to everything. But it IS the typical narrow-minded thinking that comes from a certain ilk.
IF, though, you have something else in mind, by all means don't be afraid to speak up...!!!
The obvious answer is break the pod. We have no problem dispatching troublesome sharks, bears and alligators, why is this any different?
This story/incident, sounds a little fishy.
Whale of a tale!
They'll earn squids for the story in the tabloids.
It did leave me with a sinking feeling, that orca was crabby and shellfish !
Actually, it sounds a big fishy
One damn good reason to carry a Desert Eagle on the boat. “The humans on board seemed to be playing…”
That’s one helluva insurance claim! “The Orcas ate my boat”!
i wonder if they got anything at all from insurance
So sad! Luckily you were safe.