Jaina Solo once said that her Uncle Luke exhibited a "diamond hard gentleness". I consider that to be an unbreakable compassion coupled with immense strength.
Which would have been awesome to see in the movies. Instead we got scared asf Luke that threatens to slay his nephew. And then cuts himself off from the force and hids
@@VileHearts if they stuck to canon and source material it wouldve been Maul. I agree nevertheless. The story I have in my head if Luke faced Maul to finally end the Skywalker trilogy on top of Leia bringing peace with the New Republic and their children ending Darth Talon would have been so bittersweet.
Imagine if Disney cannon Luke had this mindset in the sequels, then maybe he wouldn’t have tried to murder his nephew for something he hadn’t done yet. Then he could’ve possibly taught Ben to control his darkness and use it for good
I pretty much ignore the sequels cuz The Force Awakens was a loose remake of A New Hope, and the other two had no coherent story at all or just did the enough to give the illusion of a scripted story.
The “sequels” aren’t canon in my eyes. The storytelling was so bad. I treat them like the terminator sequels after judgement day - non canon or a different timeline
I actually agreed with Luke's philosophy in allowing Jedi apprentices to have knowledge of the dark side of the force for the purposes of being able to recognize a dark side follower and being able to defend themselves against them
True in old times only masters could contend with darkside powers because even knights were barred from even a modest study of ds powers. In the Revan novel he was at his peak when his dark side knowledge was returned to him, only the emperor was a threat to him.
@@MarkBonneaux Yeah, was literally gonna say "So, a Defense Against the Dark Side class" Of course, a lot of professors for THAT class at Hogwart's had... issues... so maybe its not the best idea.
Refusing to even consider studying the dangers that the Dark Side poses - responsibly, anyway - reveals how the Jedi *fear* it. And fear, as they say themselves, leads to the Dark Side. It's no surprise the Old Jedi Order allowed the Sith to become this powerful and to cloud their judgment and vision so much; they literally set themselves up to fail according to their own teachings.
"Remember: abilities are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them." - Kyle Katarn aka the one man army who stole the death star's plans without dying.
@@damaskholdings9140 You do know that Luke Skywalker himself actually used Dark Side powers on several separate occasions, right? - In Return of the Jedi, he used Force Choke on two of Jabba's Guards. Though it's likely that he didn't kill them, but only asphyxiated them to the point of knocking them out. - He also used Force Rage against Darth Vader in order to defeat him. But keep in mind that he didn't kill Vader once it was done. - He's also learned both the Light and Dark versions of Force lightning, including Emerald Lightning, Electric Judgement and even Sith lightning. - Plus he used Force Fear on a group of creatures, but only to get past them. - Also, if you consider Kyle Katarn's journey, both the Light and Dark Sides were open to him. His experiences with both made him into a greater and more powerful Jedi overall.
@@99thJediWarrior the whole mojo of luke using rhe darkside in ep6 is because there was conflict inside of him, he was constantly reminded that he was going down vaders path and that if fully utilised his rage on striking down his father he wouldve become the next vader. Heck his black outfit was meant to symbolise that he could potentially be leading down that path, and when he stopped using his darkside amp rage and declares he declared he was a jedi
I like how in Legends (even though I’m not as familiar with it) goes into how Luke learned from his past mistakes, encouraged attachment among his students, and taught the dark side in a more know thy enemy approach so that they were not helpless against the dark side, they knew of it and could prepare accordingly
And were less likely to be seduced by it due to having knowledge of it instead of it being an unknown, forbidden thing, as that just makes it more alluring to some.
The real Luke Skywalker would allow Emotional Attachments happens in his Jedi Order. He saw that what saved both him from death and his father from the dark side.
Not really, Grogu is Luke's first student. Luke is very new to being the master and teaching, he's going to make mistakes. Also, we know that ultimately Luke's academy has to fail as shown in the sequels. They showed us a wise luke whilst also keeping it in cannon.
Shutting yourself off to the Darkside makes you vulnerable to it. Only by using the Darkside and learning not to give into its call can one build resistance against it.
The Jedi Inadvertently spawned/induced society of fear.. and in doing so/as a result trapping the Jedi's, ahem anakin Skywalker into eventual fate. To challenge things is to be skeptical of them even when told it's only right thing. And understand why they exist in the first place. as with everything.. it depends. Risk and reward in everything. It's life. How you counter balance it. In fact not questioning things is dangerous. In fact (on a separate note) was what enabled Hitler to Rise to Power. Lack of people who stood up for what was right.
I wholeheartedly agree. I've long since come to the conclusion that the old Jedi gravely ignored the dark side out of pure fear, which often led to their downfall. Luke not only accepted the dark side as part of the force but even used it when push came to shove. It's a huge reason why I loathe what Disney did to him in the sequels.
But he ALSO had the wisdom to be careful about its teaching, as knowledge of something evil and corruptive can lead a person to engage in it as well. That's why he only allowed experienced students, and under careful guidance.
If it were me, I choose to study under Luke Skywalker's Jedi Praxium. The old Jedi were fearful of the possibility that studying the Dark Side in moderation under the supervision of a proper master would give rise to an enemy they thought long gone, the Sith, but they were far too lax in their "cradle of power" to see the wider truth. The ancient Jed Dai order and Luke's Jedi Praxium were most definitely in the right.
Qui-gon Jinn, had he survived to see the end of the Empire, would engage with Luke in a long, deliberate discussion about the new direction of the Jedi Order. And would come to the conclusion that Luke's way is ultimately the same as his own. Freedom within The Force, tempered by the responsibility to use that freedom to benefit others, and the knowledge of what horrors taking freedom from another will bring.
I dont remember where I heard this quote but it fits this video incredibly well, "a user of light magic can just as easily raze a village as a necromancer can defend one."
Agree 1000%. Light and Dark. Yin and Yan. The symbol of balance. If you have only dueled in one, you are not balance. Life is about strengthening oneself, acknowledging one's weaknesses and facing your inner demons. Plus. In legends. Liea helped Luke out of his dark side, Liea had her children. Anakin/Vader had no one.
Light and dark arent Ying and Yang. Ying and Yang are being in peace with oneself and the environnement. You are just forgetting the context of Star wars. In Stat Wars,the dark side is a perversion of The Force.What is called "light" side is just the Force in its normal state. Ying and Yang is about order,which means that there cant be chaos which means that The dark side must be destroyed
@@Vincentius_Cardinal Exactly. The dark side is apart of the FORCE. Ying and Yang. The Sith on the other hand, are a different story. They are evil,(well most of the time) Calling the dark side evil is like saying a person with ambition, passion, pride and short temper is evil.
@@plagueisproductions9327 Uh Seems like you don't know Yin and Yang that well neither Both are the representations of completely opposed aspects of nature that work together to made the universe work just like the Ligh and Dark sides: Yin represent feminity, the moon, the cold, obscurity, etc... when the Yang represent masculinity, the sun, warmth, light, etc... It's really the same thing as the Force, Jedis and Siths might fight eachothers over divergence of ideals but the Force in itself isn't in conflict with itself.
I would definitely prefer Luke's way of the Jedi. Knowing more about potentially dangerous power can increase the chances of only using it out of necessity, rather than gaining the desire to use it.
Now this, this Jedi Praxium is the EXACT way that the Jedi should have been taught to begin with. Grand Master Luke was correct in letting the darkness in and showing his students the darkness and what to do when facing such. Much of the students i feel would not have been tempted by the darkside regardless of what era it was. Jedi such as Pon Krell and Dooku would not have fallen, i think. If the Jedi would have done something about Master Jinn's death and had sent aid to that one planet, I think that the count would have stayed with the order. Knowing Ashla and Bogan and not being afraid of the dark and turning it's abilities against itself like Master Luke is exactly the Jedi mentality.
Great discussion. Your absolutely right Luke perfected the Jedi Order and made it both powerful and compassionate. Legends is a great read especially his daughter who was known as the sword of the Jedi because she was dualist with skill that was unparallel. Glad you made this. Good work
1:22 you know when you really think about it that’s absolutely right, I mean honestly let’s say if the Jedi were allowed to have relationships, then more of them would be able to support and understand other Jedi who are having problems that could lead them down a bad path like Anakin had(not saying exactly like Anakin but you get what I’m saying) then maybe when Anakin turned to yoda for advice with the visions of padme he could have actually gave good advice instead of the terrible advice he gave him which just pushed him closer to Palpatine. Love is a good thing, not something they should be told not to feel.
Just one thing I'd like to point out, Luke did not use Force Choke in ROTJ. The thing that tell us that is the fact that every time someone use the force choke ability there is a distinct sound which we do not hear in that scene in jaba palace. I belive he use a mind trick of some kind.
I actually found myself relating a lot to Mace Windu, even though he really only tapped into the dark side when he needed to reflect that power back onto his opponent, I think Luke shines in turning dark side force abilities around using his knowledge of the dark side and compassion. i think that the path to becoming a powerful Jedi would be to use Mace Windus lightsaber fighting form and Luke Skywalkers philosophy when considering the dark side and their force abilities, the combined power set would result in the ultimate form of turning your foes own power back onto them. if we got a Luke in the sequels who did just that we would have to rewrite the whole story cause there would be no Kylo Ren only Ben Solo and probably a separate sith entity who on their own might have needed to reflect Luke in some way to stand a chance against him.
The BEST example of this particular philosophy/approach in MODERN Star Wars history would be Jedi Master Mace Windu. Master Windu not only acknowledged the existence of the Dark Side of the Force within himself, but he actually USED the Dark Side of the Force to his ADVANTAGE while STILL remaining true to the Jedi belief. Essentially, Master Windu USED the energy and/or emotions of the Dark Side of the Force to help him, but WITHOUT allowing the Dark Side to actually CORRUPT him. A PERFECT example of this is how during Master Windu's fight against Darth Sidious/Supreme Chancellor Palpatine it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that Windu is AGGRESSIVE/ANGRY, and yet Windu ALLOWS those negative Dark Side emotions to EMPOWER him WITHOUT letting them CONSUME him. In my personal opinion, this makes Master Windu the CLOSEST thing to a 'Grey Jedi' in thousands of years (since the Era of Sith Lord/Jedi Master Revan). But that's just my own personal opinion.
The more you're aware of the temptations of the dark, while being able to explore it. The more likely jedi will be able to make an informed decision and be able to avoid falling into it like Anakin did.
His lightning was actually Emerald Lightning and was stated to be the most powerful manifestation of force lightning on record as it could kill upon contact.
Luke’s view and the Force itself seems to be that there is no real “side” to the Force so much as the light and darn reside in the user, and it affects the Force around you and even the abilities you use.
In allowing jedi to study the dark side and use its techniques from a light side perspective, its easy to see that it was actually Luke that really brought balance to the force.
I think true balance is to be come one with the light and dark. Freely being able to use both sides of the force at the same time without loosing your mind. But to do so, you mush have immense strength and contron in order to use it as using both sides will use up more energy.
@Not Roboteva In legends, there was a Jedi who would. try get her students to touch the dark side for a brief moment to learn how to deal with it. She basically felt The best way to deal with emotions is the feel them and learn how to tackle them.
Luke is a new type of Jedi. Unlike his predecessors. The Old Jedi believed that the Darkside of the force is a abomination and a threat that should destroyed, they believe the Lightside is the true force and want it preserve and cleanse the darkness. Luke on the other hand after turning to the Darkside to combat the reborn Darth Sidious and learned how his father Anakin felt when he was a Sith Lord, he accepted that the Darkside would never be destroyed. As it is part of the force, without the Darkside the Lightside wouldn't exist. He trained his new Order to use it so they can resist and master it, which would lead them to use both sides of the force and balanced themselves, just like the Je'daii Order.
Funny how in the very beginning things were balanced and it wasn't till like 20,000 years later from the time the Je'daii disbanded, Luke brought back the teaching of balance In the force.
The story that has the Je’daii in it sees the Je’daii all falling to the seduction of the dark side. That story doesn’t prove what you think it does. The true lore of Star Wars says that the dark side is a very addictive and harmful drug
Makes so much sense that Luke would do this. If you think about our own lives and military, we want to know as much as possible about our fears and enemies so that we may overcome them. To know nothing of one’s fears or enemies is to be consumed by them.
He didn't want them to truly use the dark side, just understand it. The Jedi denied their students from experiencing any of it, so they didn't understand it's poison and failed to stop falls.
Once again well done. You have enlightened us with a very well-balanced approach to a newly founded Jedi meaning no thy enemy without being the enemy itself. Excellent sir excellent work
Yea but I think the je'daii weren't really as involved in the galaxy during their time, they were pretty much isolated on Tython and were not trying to protect the innocent across the galaxy.
The basic way to look at it is with the Greys. They channel both the light and the dark side of the force this alone points to the idea that force powers aren't light or dark in nature. It it how you channel it use it and your heart behind the action. The way Jedi of old were instructed to control their emotions so tightly leaves a void in the natural heart of their actions. This makes them weak and vulnerable to dark actions and impulses that they have been inhibiting all their lives.
I recently got to play Jedi Academy and this philosophy surprised me. I wished Disney would of used this in the movies. It would of shown the changes Luke made.
Awesome Video and a hundred percent agree that Luke's Jedi were the true Jedi. The knowledge about the dark side of the Force to keep them balanced was key. The True Luke, the true Jedi that we should have gotten in the sequels. Keep up the good work, you are an archive of facts and knowledge that we like to hear.
I love how the only other person in star wars lore who mastered both the light and dark side was Meetra Surik but she could only do it after she had lost her connection to the force and got her connection back. (Revan could technically be considered a jedi who also mastered both the light and dark side at least for their time of knowledge and understanding.)
Revans real name is also mentioned by kreia if you ask her 6 times about revan and his masters, and you had reunited the 4 other exiled jedi that went into hiding then kreia will give you Revans story about how he became revan and explain she was his master before she became one of his many apprentices, and then tell you about the mandalorian wars and how he changed his name to how he even came to find that mask before dawning his new name, to his downfall and after that the mini sith empire revan had built slowly started to crumble and fall apart due to infighting over leadership, then she would go on about how the new sith ended up rising from the ashes and then tell you what's going on with current events. (Be warned if you ask for this storyline beware it's a 30-45 minute storyline so hope you enjoy reading.)
It always tickled me that the jedi had that dichotomy. They wanted to release almost all emotion because it was a path to the dark, but were also raised to hate and fear something instinctively. Especially something that most had no actual experience of.
i'd be curious to know how prevelent Vapad was in the jedi praxia as lukes philosphy seems to mirror windu's darkness in service to light mindset when crafting the form.
I've always held that the biggest issue with the old jedi was their fear of the darkside, and that in a balance based philosophy nothing is inherently evil, just miss applied. EU Luke's philosophy is vary much in keeping with that. He doesn't fear the darkside, just recognizes the dangers it presents, and he doesn't treat darkside powers as inherently evil, but sees them as the product of a flawed understanding
If anything I'd say Luke took on Palpatine's philosophy of "understand the force in all it's aspects". That was the very thing that allured Vader to the dark side in the first place. Not just to save his wife, but he knew as a 100% fact the order wouldn't have such an ability at their disposal where as it would be far more likely Palpatine would. What makes Luke successful in his order would be the idea "knowledge is power" and not just limited knowledge the old one practiced. Example, Plo Kuhn was scolded because he used force lightning which was considered a "dark side only" ability but was not used as such. I guess in short this mindset of Luke was the success of everything where the old order failed to grow and mature.
"The only thing more dangerous than a Dark Jedi is a Dark Jedi behind the controls of a Sun Crusher…" ~Han Solo He was referring to one of Luke's students who ended up going full darkside. I'm not bashing Luke's methods and ideologies, but there could have been better ways. Though in this case there were also other issues at play. Remember the helmet of the old sith lord that almost possessed Vader? Now imagine a holocron housing the spirit or w/e of a dead sith lord pretending to be a Jedi.
I just keep hoping against hope that The Mandalorian will somehow overwrite the Sequels, but we all know Dave Filoni will have to adhere to what's been established in the Disney Empire's Canon. We've already seen him piling up rocks instead of using the established Temples on Yavin IV, and forcing Grogu to choose between Din Djarin and learning about the Force at such a young age.
I have a fan fic character of this who instead of wielding the classic light saber has developed a force ability which turns his unarmed strikes into lethal weapons comparable to lightsabers in potency. In fact this force ability even allowed him to physically touch light sabers long enough to parry strikes, and even lets him deflect blaster bolts. In short it basically turns his body into a light saber. One draw back is that it cannot cover his entire body. The benefit is the attack are far faster than typical lightsaber strikes at the cost of decreased reach, but that is a small price to say for being able to cut durasteel with a bare hand.
I had always felt that Luke was the Jedi perfected. Whereas Obi-Wan was the ideal Jedi of the Old Republic, even he constantly struggled with certain choices, which is why he could never kill Vader. Luke embraced knowledge over ignorance, the first tenant of the Jedi Code. As that is something I personally value, I feel I would fit more in Luke's Jedi Order. Further, compassion was the key. One must allow the rage and darkness to rise from within, but then cleanse and release it through the light of compassion and love. The Old Republic Jedi had this in mind, but never fully embraced the idea as was pointed out by Anakin who had to snarkly imply he believed Jedi were encouraged to love as he defined Compassion as Unconditional Love.
Luke's order sounds to me more like what I envision to be a grey Jedi. A path I much prefer to either that of the old Jedi or the Stih. To quote (with slight paraphrasing) a "wise" man: "if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi (and Sith). If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view of the Force."
Grey jedi sound interesting. Although I'd probably go the route of the knights of zakuul or maybe even just skip the religion and use the force with no limits and build its power while studying ancient rituals and lost and forbidden secrets.
@@roky7772 that's just jedi and sith propaganda. they both want you to follow their narow minded dogma. I agree with Kyle Katarn, there is no light nor darkside, just the intention of the user. or the bendu ruclips.net/video/sxnZqaUAtnk/видео.html
... this was a very compelling video, and I agree that Luke purposefully became the master mixer of light and dark knowledge and practice. In Return of the Jedi, I often wondered how the Tatooine boy so quickly had such cool command and wisdom. Surely he must have had some training more than we had witnessed. Think of it, Obi-wan and Yoda are the only Jedi he knew and the only Jedi whose deaths, he had seen. I believe that Luke spent many days and nights training with these Force Spirits, themselves .... that's how his knowledge and wisdom and technique became so advanced so quickly. He communed in the Cosmic Force with Qui-gon, Obi-wan, and Yoda ... and then later with Anakin himself after his redemption. I would love to see this training story as the basis of some great animated flashbacks.✍💥
A very interesting perspective, as I've already rooted for good or light side. I hope to strive for compassion in an ever changing world. For I know I must adapt. However I can't do it by myself.
Sounds like a good idea to me. Ignoring or denying something doesn't necessarily render it powerless. Being warned in advance is being armed in advance.
This would've made the new movies completely different... though Luke never really came off as this wise in the original films. That being said, this is kind of the sort of route people tend to take when reviving dead religions in modern times too- being able to see through a lot of the darker rituals & teachings of them & taking care to point out those problems to their students, introduce new teachings/ interpretations that go beyond those things & trying to instill in people exactly what kinds of values they think the original form of the religion was lacking.
Understanding of the dark side and the light side is easy in Star Wars since the franchise was created mainly for kids but there are going to be scenarios/situations IRL where the light side/dark side (just without the fancy force abilities) is going to come into play. Self defense from an attacker is one thing but what about those situations where exercising traits that are alligned with the light side completely fails to solve the problem?
Don't usually watch fanfic theories and stuff but I loved all this. Thank you so much! Luke Skywalker means so much to me and this made me feel better. =)
@@roky7772 If its not directly from George Lucas. Imo its fan theory. Not to say his word always makes the most sense either but he DID make star wars. Some deal with disney or offshoot books don't change that GL is THE guy.
@@roky7772 Unless George had SOME hand in writing / creating or at least okay'ing the story and or script? They're expensive fanfictions. Even Disney stuff. But I'm literally a single dude with an opinion. If you want to think of these as more don't let me stop you lol
Basically he kind of went back to what a Jedi was before the division and added it some extra rules. In the beginning the Jedi were familiar with both sides. Some started to use the force for the wrong purposes and the division started.
Flowing through the Force, there is Balance. There is no peace without passion fullfilled. There is no passion without knowledge to guide. Knowledge binds without the strength to act. Power blinds without the serentity to see. There is freedom in life. There is purpose in death. The Force is in all thing and I am the Force.
George Lucas remastered the ending of Return of The Jedi to show also Anakin's force ghost giving a fierce look of pride and approval - while Yoda and Obi-Wan happily look on with approval (this is during the Ewoks celebration on Yavin). In Extended Universe / Legends continuity, Emperor Palpatine returns and Luke terrified joins the Dark Side to learn how to destroy him (The Dark Empire series - you see the picture for one of the comic covers in this video)... I won't spoil it for you. I suggest you enjoy that graphic novel for yourself. No force ghosts come to the new generations aid. This is continuously taken as a sign in universe and by fans - that Luke's Way will eventually bring ultimate balance and unity to The Force... Until Disney bought them. 😘
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Jaina Solo once said that her Uncle Luke exhibited a "diamond hard gentleness". I consider that to be an unbreakable compassion coupled with immense strength.
Which would have been awesome to see in the movies. Instead we got scared asf Luke that threatens to slay his nephew. And then cuts himself off from the force and hids
@@qtindavis433 yup. I think most people wanted to see Luke go down and stomp sidious. Which he absolutely would have been able to do
Having Jaina being the protagonist of the sequels would have been freaking amazing.
@@82dorrin So long as she wasn't a bitch to her mother like in the later EU.
@@VileHearts if they stuck to canon and source material it wouldve been Maul. I agree nevertheless. The story I have in my head if Luke faced Maul to finally end the Skywalker trilogy on top of Leia bringing peace with the New Republic and their children ending Darth Talon would have been so bittersweet.
Imagine if Disney cannon Luke had this mindset in the sequels, then maybe he wouldn’t have tried to murder his nephew for something he hadn’t done yet. Then he could’ve possibly taught Ben to control his darkness and use it for good
Exactly what I thought
I don't know what you are talking about. The sequels never happened.
@@josephtownsend2103 LOL Right! 👍🍻
What sequels? I don't know of any sequels.
I pretty much ignore the sequels cuz The Force Awakens was a loose remake of A New Hope, and the other two had no coherent story at all or just did the enough to give the illusion of a scripted story.
This is the Luke Skywalker we should’ve gotten for the sequel trilogy.
Agree. The new sequel movies destroyed Luke's real story.
The “sequels” aren’t canon in my eyes. The storytelling was so bad. I treat them like the terminator sequels after judgement day - non canon or a different timeline
This is the way
@@derangedking117 this is the way
But girl power everybody!... girls can do anything better than man. I mean who needs training. 🤣 Hot fucking garbage
I actually agreed with Luke's philosophy in allowing Jedi apprentices to have knowledge of the dark side of the force for the purposes of being able to recognize a dark side follower and being able to defend themselves against them
True in old times only masters could contend with darkside powers because even knights were barred from even a modest study of ds powers. In the Revan novel he was at his peak when his dark side knowledge was returned to him, only the emperor was a threat to him.
I like to think it's still a difficult process to do.
Kinda like how Hogwarts has the Defense Against the Dark Arts class
@@MarkBonneaux Yeah, was literally gonna say "So, a Defense Against the Dark Side class"
Of course, a lot of professors for THAT class at Hogwart's had... issues... so maybe its not the best idea.
Refusing to even consider studying the dangers that the Dark Side poses - responsibly, anyway - reveals how the Jedi *fear* it. And fear, as they say themselves, leads to the Dark Side. It's no surprise the Old Jedi Order allowed the Sith to become this powerful and to cloud their judgment and vision so much; they literally set themselves up to fail according to their own teachings.
"Remember: abilities are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them."
- Kyle Katarn aka the one man army who stole the death star's plans without dying.
Legend. Literally.
@@damaskholdings9140 You do know that Luke Skywalker himself actually used Dark Side powers on several separate occasions, right?
- In Return of the Jedi, he used Force Choke on two of Jabba's Guards. Though it's likely that he didn't kill them, but only asphyxiated them to the point of knocking them out.
- He also used Force Rage against Darth Vader in order to defeat him. But keep in mind that he didn't kill Vader once it was done.
- He's also learned both the Light and Dark versions of Force lightning, including Emerald Lightning, Electric Judgement and even Sith lightning.
- Plus he used Force Fear on a group of creatures, but only to get past them.
- Also, if you consider Kyle Katarn's journey, both the Light and Dark Sides were open to him. His experiences with both made him into a greater and more powerful Jedi overall.
@@99thJediWarrior the whole mojo of luke using rhe darkside in ep6 is because there was conflict inside of him, he was constantly reminded that he was going down vaders path and that if fully utilised his rage on striking down his father he wouldve become the next vader.
Heck his black outfit was meant to symbolise that he could potentially be leading down that path, and when he stopped using his darkside amp rage and declares he declared he was a jedi
You spelled Mary Sue wrong.
@@mewtwo389 his outfit wasn't black though, they discuss this is Mandalorian extras.
I like how in Legends (even though I’m not as familiar with it) goes into how Luke learned from his past mistakes, encouraged attachment among his students, and taught the dark side in a more know thy enemy approach so that they were not helpless against the dark side, they knew of it and could prepare accordingly
Thats literally the video
Yeah, a look where that led: Luke's own nephew became the sequel to Vader.
And were less likely to be seduced by it due to having knowledge of it instead of it being an unknown, forbidden thing, as that just makes it more alluring to some.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 I mean, if you wanna fixate on the inevitable mistakes of individuals...
know thyself and know thy enemy
In Book of Boba Fett, Luke tried to dissuade Grogu from having attachments.
Another example of Disney ruining Luke.
Gotta keep selling the baby Yoda products and merchandise. Another victim of corporate greed.
The real Luke Skywalker would allow Emotional Attachments happens in his Jedi Order. He saw that what saved both him from death and his father from the dark side.
Not really, Grogu is Luke's first student. Luke is very new to being the master and teaching, he's going to make mistakes. Also, we know that ultimately Luke's academy has to fail as shown in the sequels. They showed us a wise luke whilst also keeping it in cannon.
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It only "has to fail" if you acknowledge Kathleen's fanfic as canon.
@@Tengu125 but they are cannon
In Eastern Mysticism, both Light and Dark are essential to create balance
Shutting yourself off to the Darkside makes you vulnerable to it.
Only by using the Darkside and learning not to give into its call can one build resistance against it.
Exactly. Exposing yourself and vaccinating yourself from get go to these things.
The Jedi Inadvertently spawned/induced society of fear.. and in doing so/as a result trapping the Jedi's, ahem anakin Skywalker into eventual fate. To challenge things is to be skeptical of them even when told it's only right thing. And understand why they exist in the first place. as with everything.. it depends. Risk and reward in everything. It's life. How you counter balance it. In fact not questioning things is dangerous. In fact (on a separate note) was what enabled Hitler to Rise to Power. Lack of people who stood up for what was right.
This is something similar that of what Carl Jung teach on psychology
It somehow resembles the way bacteria resist antibiotics IRL.
I.E. -Mace Windu
I wholeheartedly agree. I've long since come to the conclusion that the old Jedi gravely ignored the dark side out of pure fear, which often led to their downfall. Luke not only accepted the dark side as part of the force but even used it when push came to shove. It's a huge reason why I loathe what Disney did to him in the sequels.
Luke was Genius. Knowing an enemy is a huge step an aid in defeating it an being able to protect against it an their ways
But he ALSO had the wisdom to be careful about its teaching, as knowledge of something evil and corruptive can lead a person to engage in it as well. That's why he only allowed experienced students, and under careful guidance.
If it were me, I choose to study under Luke Skywalker's Jedi Praxium. The old Jedi were fearful of the possibility that studying the Dark Side in moderation under the supervision of a proper master would give rise to an enemy they thought long gone, the Sith, but they were far too lax in their "cradle of power" to see the wider truth. The ancient Jed Dai order and Luke's Jedi Praxium were most definitely in the right.
This is why I love Luke Skywalker. No better words. I just love how amazingly written he is.
Qui-gon Jinn, had he survived to see the end of the Empire, would engage with Luke in a long, deliberate discussion about the new direction of the Jedi Order. And would come to the conclusion that Luke's way is ultimately the same as his own. Freedom within The Force, tempered by the responsibility to use that freedom to benefit others, and the knowledge of what horrors taking freedom from another will bring.
I dont remember where I heard this quote but it fits this video incredibly well, "a user of light magic can just as easily raze a village as a necromancer can defend one."
Agree 1000%. Light and Dark. Yin and Yan. The symbol of balance. If you have only dueled in one, you are not balance. Life is about strengthening oneself, acknowledging one's weaknesses and facing your inner demons.
Plus. In legends. Liea helped Luke out of his dark side, Liea had her children.
Anakin/Vader had no one.
Light and dark arent Ying and Yang.
Ying and Yang are being in peace with oneself and the environnement.
You are just forgetting the context of Star wars.
In Stat Wars,the dark side is a perversion of The Force.What is called "light" side is just the Force in its normal state.
Ying and Yang is about order,which means that there cant be chaos which means that The dark side must be destroyed
@@plagueisproductions9327 no, you forget that there is a reason there is two. Two opposite yet complementary forces, that is yin and yang.
@@Vincentius_Cardinal Exactly. The dark side is apart of the FORCE. Ying and Yang. The Sith on the other hand, are a different story.
They are evil,(well most of the time)
Calling the dark side evil is like saying a person with ambition, passion, pride and short temper is evil.
@@plagueisproductions9327 Uh Seems like you don't know Yin and Yang that well neither
Both are the representations of completely opposed aspects of nature that work together to made the universe work just like the Ligh and Dark sides: Yin represent feminity, the moon, the cold, obscurity, etc... when the Yang represent masculinity, the sun, warmth, light, etc...
It's really the same thing as the Force, Jedis and Siths might fight eachothers over divergence of ideals but the Force in itself isn't in conflict with itself.
@@plagueisproductions9327 Where exactly are you getting this from? Who exactly says that the dark side is an intrinsically broken form of the force?
I would definitely prefer Luke's way of the Jedi. Knowing more about potentially dangerous power can increase the chances of only using it out of necessity, rather than gaining the desire to use it.
Now this, this Jedi Praxium is the EXACT way that the Jedi should have been taught to begin with. Grand Master Luke was correct in letting the darkness in and showing his students the darkness and what to do when facing such. Much of the students i feel would not have been tempted by the darkside regardless of what era it was. Jedi such as Pon Krell and Dooku would not have fallen, i think. If the Jedi would have done something about Master Jinn's death and had sent aid to that one planet, I think that the count would have stayed with the order. Knowing Ashla and Bogan and not being afraid of the dark and turning it's abilities against itself like Master Luke is exactly the Jedi mentality.
Great discussion. Your absolutely right Luke perfected the Jedi Order and made it both powerful and compassionate. Legends is a great read especially his daughter who was known as the sword of the Jedi because she was dualist with skill that was unparallel. Glad you made this. Good work
It goes with the Jedi code, by study, gaining knowledge and understanding there is simply the force
1:22 you know when you really think about it that’s absolutely right, I mean honestly let’s say if the Jedi were allowed to have relationships, then more of them would be able to support and understand other Jedi who are having problems that could lead them down a bad path like Anakin had(not saying exactly like Anakin but you get what I’m saying) then maybe when Anakin turned to yoda for advice with the visions of padme he could have actually gave good advice instead of the terrible advice he gave him which just pushed him closer to Palpatine. Love is a good thing, not something they should be told not to feel.
I was always of the mindset, Jedi, Sith or Earth's human, that the actions and powers are not evil, but the intention of the person using it
He wanted them to use The Dark Side, because it was way easier than supplying each student their own suply of Pocket Sand.
Darth Vader: nnnNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I don't like the Dark Side. It's coarse and rough and irritating... and it gets everywhere.
Ah EU Luke, the real Luke Skywalker.
Just one thing I'd like to point out, Luke did not use Force Choke in ROTJ. The thing that tell us that is the fact that every time someone use the force choke ability there is a distinct sound which we do not hear in that scene in jaba palace. I belive he use a mind trick of some kind.
I actually found myself relating a lot to Mace Windu, even though he really only tapped into the dark side when he needed to reflect that power back onto his opponent, I think Luke shines in turning dark side force abilities around using his knowledge of the dark side and compassion. i think that the path to becoming a powerful Jedi would be to use Mace Windus lightsaber fighting form and Luke Skywalkers philosophy when considering the dark side and their force abilities, the combined power set would result in the ultimate form of turning your foes own power back onto them. if we got a Luke in the sequels who did just that we would have to rewrite the whole story cause there would be no Kylo Ren only Ben Solo and probably a separate sith entity who on their own might have needed to reflect Luke in some way to stand a chance against him.
The BEST example of this particular philosophy/approach in MODERN Star Wars history would be Jedi Master Mace Windu. Master Windu not only acknowledged the existence of the Dark Side of the Force within himself, but he actually USED the Dark Side of the Force to his ADVANTAGE while STILL remaining true to the Jedi belief.
Essentially, Master Windu USED the energy and/or emotions of the Dark Side of the Force to help him, but WITHOUT allowing the Dark Side to actually CORRUPT him. A PERFECT example of this is how during Master Windu's fight against Darth Sidious/Supreme Chancellor Palpatine it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that Windu is AGGRESSIVE/ANGRY, and yet Windu ALLOWS those negative Dark Side emotions to EMPOWER him WITHOUT letting them CONSUME him.
In my personal opinion, this makes Master Windu the CLOSEST thing to a 'Grey Jedi' in thousands of years (since the Era of Sith Lord/Jedi Master Revan).
But that's just my own personal opinion.
Personally I like Luke skywalker using both light and dark because it sounds really awesome and badass
Yeah that’s definitely why Luke became a Jedi and taught what he did, to be “awesome and badass.” If he did it all when was, like, 12.
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@Savage Darksider i can understand that
@@derekrivard626 i know that
Plus, it's much more effective and balanced...
The more you're aware of the temptations of the dark, while being able to explore it. The more likely jedi will be able to make an informed decision and be able to avoid falling into it like Anakin did.
One of my favorite videos that you have made. Well done!
His lightning was actually Emerald Lightning and was stated to be the most powerful manifestation of force lightning on record as it could kill upon contact.
"It takes many men a walk into hell to find themselves walking back into paradise. Sometimes darkness can show you the light"
It sounds very interesting and useful, it seems like a good analogy for power as well. Power like many things isn't evil by itself but its misuse is.
I’m surprised he didn’t mention how this could’ve prevented dooku from turning to the dark side
Luke’s view and the Force itself seems to be that there is no real “side” to the Force so much as the light and darn reside in the user, and it affects the Force around you and even the abilities you use.
In allowing jedi to study the dark side and use its techniques from a light side perspective, its easy to see that it was actually Luke that really brought balance to the force.
Technically his dad ended the sith and jedi
I think true balance is to be come one with the light and dark. Freely being able to use both sides of the force at the same time without loosing your mind. But to do so, you mush have immense strength and contron in order to use it as using both sides will use up more energy.
I always wonder, it's obvious how fear leads to the dark side, but what about fear of the dark side itself?
That in part is what the Jedi trials were about and to pass you on to Knighthood if the force deems you worthy.
@Not Roboteva In legends, there was a Jedi who would. try get her students to touch the dark side for a brief moment to learn how to deal with it. She basically felt The best way to deal with emotions is the feel them and learn how to tackle them.
The fear was the downfall of the Jedi
Plenty of Dark Jedi thought they could use the dark side to destroy the dark side. It didn't work.
Is the fear of the Darkside fear?
Windu is proud
Exceptional commentary, thanks - may the force be with you.
_is given the offer of being a jedi, a sith or Lukes jedi praxium_
*Begins laughing in Kreia*
Beautiful! I love your channel. 💚
May The Force Be With You as well my friend. 🙏🏽
Luke is a new type of Jedi. Unlike his predecessors. The Old Jedi believed that the Darkside of the force is a abomination and a threat that should destroyed, they believe the Lightside is the true force and want it preserve and cleanse the darkness. Luke on the other hand after turning to the Darkside to combat the reborn Darth Sidious and learned how his father Anakin felt when he was a Sith Lord, he accepted that the Darkside would never be destroyed. As it is part of the force, without the Darkside the Lightside wouldn't exist. He trained his new Order to use it so they can resist and master it, which would lead them to use both sides of the force and balanced themselves, just like the Je'daii Order.
Funny how in the very beginning things were balanced and it wasn't till like 20,000 years later from the time the Je'daii disbanded, Luke brought back the teaching of balance In the force.
The story that has the Je’daii in it sees the Je’daii all falling to the seduction of the dark side. That story doesn’t prove what you think it does. The true lore of Star Wars says that the dark side is a very addictive and harmful drug
@@vintifada7115 if you abuse it
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No it’s by its very nature
It was unexpectedly awesome to mentioned about Kyle katarn's unique force perspective and abilities.
Makes so much sense that Luke would do this. If you think about our own lives and military, we want to know as much as possible about our fears and enemies so that we may overcome them. To know nothing of one’s fears or enemies is to be consumed by them.
He didn't want them to truly use the dark side, just understand it. The Jedi denied their students from experiencing any of it, so they didn't understand it's poison and failed to stop falls.
Once again well done. You have enlightened us with a very well-balanced approach to a newly founded Jedi meaning no thy enemy without being the enemy itself. Excellent sir excellent work
I would follow Luke’s way for sure. That should be the way of true balance in the force. The ways of the Je’Daii were also more ideal.
Yea but I think the je'daii weren't really as involved in the galaxy during their time, they were pretty much isolated on Tython and were not trying to protect the innocent across the galaxy.
In the book I, Jedi when Corran Horn let Luke know how he really felt, I think was one of my favorite takes on the force.
Agree with this so much I do! Love your deep dives, and wish that Disney would take note more! Thank you so much!
The basic way to look at it is with the Greys. They channel both the light and the dark side of the force this alone points to the idea that force powers aren't light or dark in nature. It it how you channel it use it and your heart behind the action. The way Jedi of old were instructed to control their emotions so tightly leaves a void in the natural heart of their actions. This makes them weak and vulnerable to dark actions and impulses that they have been inhibiting all their lives.
I recently got to play Jedi Academy and this philosophy surprised me. I wished Disney would of used this in the movies. It would of shown the changes Luke made.
i like to think the rey trilogy never existed. makes star wars much more enjoyable to learn about. awesome video thanks!
Who's Rey?
Awesome Video and a hundred percent agree that Luke's Jedi were the true Jedi. The knowledge about the dark side of the Force to keep them balanced was key. The True Luke, the true Jedi that we should have gotten in the sequels. Keep up the good work, you are an archive of facts and knowledge that we like to hear.
0:37 This picture of Luke looks like it was drawn for Jehovah's Witnesses literature.
Because the true nature of the force being in balance means accepting the light and the dark balanced
Crazy how yoda had such a long life and experience yet Luke seemed to be a superior grandmaster
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Kyle Katarn is my man! I had many hours of joy while playing his character in games. The mentioned approach of his is true in real world, too.
Luke realized the dream of Revan
I love how the only other person in star wars lore who mastered both the light and dark side was Meetra Surik but she could only do it after she had lost her connection to the force and got her connection back. (Revan could technically be considered a jedi who also mastered both the light and dark side at least for their time of knowledge and understanding.)
Revans real name is also mentioned by kreia if you ask her 6 times about revan and his masters, and you had reunited the 4 other exiled jedi that went into hiding then kreia will give you Revans story about how he became revan and explain she was his master before she became one of his many apprentices, and then tell you about the mandalorian wars and how he changed his name to how he even came to find that mask before dawning his new name, to his downfall and after that the mini sith empire revan had built slowly started to crumble and fall apart due to infighting over leadership, then she would go on about how the new sith ended up rising from the ashes and then tell you what's going on with current events. (Be warned if you ask for this storyline beware it's a 30-45 minute storyline so hope you enjoy reading.)
Every time I thing of the latter 2 movies from the sequel series, my fall to dark side becomes all the more exhilarating
aside from a deeper understanding of oneself--this strikes a bond with those who have ill-intent.
I agree, but I also would add that the need for balance can also bring about a positive end (ie. Control versus flow; see Avatar the last Airbender).
Great video bro
It just goes to show just how much Luke learned from the past and the mistakes of the previous order
It always tickled me that the jedi had that dichotomy. They wanted to release almost all emotion because it was a path to the dark, but were also raised to hate and fear something instinctively.
Especially something that most had no actual experience of.
i'd be curious to know how prevelent Vapad was in the jedi praxia as lukes philosphy seems to mirror windu's darkness in service to light mindset when crafting the form.
I've always held that the biggest issue with the old jedi was their fear of the darkside, and that in a balance based philosophy nothing is inherently evil, just miss applied. EU Luke's philosophy is vary much in keeping with that. He doesn't fear the darkside, just recognizes the dangers it presents, and he doesn't treat darkside powers as inherently evil, but sees them as the product of a flawed understanding
I love the thumbnail It's badass ❤
If anything I'd say Luke took on Palpatine's philosophy of "understand the force in all it's aspects". That was the very thing that allured Vader to the dark side in the first place. Not just to save his wife, but he knew as a 100% fact the order wouldn't have such an ability at their disposal where as it would be far more likely Palpatine would. What makes Luke successful in his order would be the idea "knowledge is power" and not just limited knowledge the old one practiced. Example, Plo Kuhn was scolded because he used force lightning which was considered a "dark side only" ability but was not used as such. I guess in short this mindset of Luke was the success of everything where the old order failed to grow and mature.
I wish they would take this into consideration when furthering the Star Wars content.
"The only thing more dangerous than a Dark Jedi is a Dark Jedi behind the controls of a Sun Crusher…" ~Han Solo
He was referring to one of Luke's students who ended up going full darkside. I'm not bashing Luke's methods and ideologies, but there could have been better ways. Though in this case there were also other issues at play. Remember the helmet of the old sith lord that almost possessed Vader? Now imagine a holocron housing the spirit or w/e of a dead sith lord pretending to be a Jedi.
I agree with you most heartily!
I just keep hoping against hope that The Mandalorian will somehow overwrite the Sequels, but we all know Dave Filoni will have to adhere to what's been established in the Disney Empire's Canon. We've already seen him piling up rocks instead of using the established Temples on Yavin IV, and forcing Grogu to choose between Din Djarin and learning about the Force at such a young age.
I have a fan fic character of this who instead of wielding the classic light saber has developed a force ability which turns his unarmed strikes into lethal weapons comparable to lightsabers in potency. In fact this force ability even allowed him to physically touch light sabers long enough to parry strikes, and even lets him deflect blaster bolts. In short it basically turns his body into a light saber. One draw back is that it cannot cover his entire body. The benefit is the attack are far faster than typical lightsaber strikes at the cost of decreased reach, but that is a small price to say for being able to cut durasteel with a bare hand.
I had always felt that Luke was the Jedi perfected. Whereas Obi-Wan was the ideal Jedi of the Old Republic, even he constantly struggled with certain choices, which is why he could never kill Vader. Luke embraced knowledge over ignorance, the first tenant of the Jedi Code. As that is something I personally value, I feel I would fit more in Luke's Jedi Order. Further, compassion was the key. One must allow the rage and darkness to rise from within, but then cleanse and release it through the light of compassion and love. The Old Republic Jedi had this in mind, but never fully embraced the idea as was pointed out by Anakin who had to snarkly imply he believed Jedi were encouraged to love as he defined Compassion as Unconditional Love.
Luke's order sounds to me more like what I envision to be a grey Jedi. A path I much prefer to either that of the old Jedi or the Stih.
To quote (with slight paraphrasing) a "wise" man: "if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi (and Sith). If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view of the Force."
Ironic...
there are no grey jedi,as one will eventually fall to either the light or dark side
Grey jedi sound interesting. Although I'd probably go the route of the knights of zakuul or maybe even just skip the religion and use the force with no limits and build its power while studying ancient rituals and lost and forbidden secrets.
@@DaedricPrinceOedon meh,they're more like dark side users
@@roky7772 that's just jedi and sith propaganda. they both want you to follow their narow minded dogma.
I agree with Kyle Katarn, there is no light nor darkside, just the intention of the user.
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... this was a very compelling video, and I agree that Luke purposefully became the master mixer of light and dark knowledge and practice. In Return of the Jedi, I often wondered how the Tatooine boy so quickly had such cool command and wisdom. Surely he must have had some training more than we had witnessed. Think of it, Obi-wan and Yoda are the only Jedi he knew and the only Jedi whose deaths, he had seen. I believe that Luke spent many days and nights training with these Force Spirits, themselves .... that's how his knowledge and wisdom and technique became so advanced so quickly. He communed in the Cosmic Force with Qui-gon, Obi-wan, and Yoda ... and then later with Anakin himself after his redemption. I would love to see this training story as the basis of some great animated flashbacks.✍💥
I agree he wanted them to use the dark side to supply each student
A very interesting perspective, as I've already rooted for good or light side. I hope to strive for compassion in an ever changing world. For I know I must adapt. However I can't do it by myself.
See these are the stories I’d love to see on screen & done right
Luke’s New Jedi Order post-ROTJ in legends is my favourite era in Star Wars
Sounds like a good idea to me. Ignoring or denying something doesn't necessarily render it powerless. Being warned in advance is being armed in advance.
there needs to be a series with Luke's jedi praxeum
Legends Luke was great, I love the nuance of his teaching style to study the dark to protect from it.
This would've made the new movies completely different... though Luke never really came off as this wise in the original films. That being said, this is kind of the sort of route people tend to take when reviving dead religions in modern times too- being able to see through a lot of the darker rituals & teachings of them & taking care to point out those problems to their students, introduce new teachings/ interpretations that go beyond those things & trying to instill in people exactly what kinds of values they think the original form of the religion was lacking.
“If one is to understand the great mystery…one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi”
This video made me appreciate Luke even more!
Understanding of the dark side and the light side is easy in Star Wars since the franchise was created mainly for kids but there are going to be scenarios/situations IRL where the light side/dark side (just without the fancy force abilities) is going to come into play.
Self defense from an attacker is one thing but what about those situations where exercising traits that are alligned with the light side completely fails to solve the problem?
There is light and there is dark cant be a person without both
Don't usually watch fanfic theories and stuff but I loved all this. Thank you so much! Luke Skywalker means so much to me and this made me feel better. =)
this aint a fanfic theory tho
@@roky7772 If its not directly from George Lucas. Imo its fan theory. Not to say his word always makes the most sense either but he DID make star wars. Some deal with disney or offshoot books don't change that GL is THE guy.
@@rocsoriano2994 he is, but he extended universe isnt just fanfics lol
@@roky7772 Unless George had SOME hand in writing / creating or at least okay'ing the story and or script? They're expensive fanfictions. Even Disney stuff. But I'm literally a single dude with an opinion. If you want to think of these as more don't let me stop you lol
@@rocsoriano2994 well,given your logic,force unleashed and kotor are also expensive fanfics
To the team who gave us the mandalorian ....if you're watching please give us a luke Skywalker series
Basically he kind of went back to what a Jedi was before the division and added it some extra rules. In the beginning the Jedi were familiar with both sides. Some started to use the force for the wrong purposes and the division started.
Knowledge is not inherently evil, it is ones actions and what they choose to do with that knowledge that can be evil.
Flowing through the Force, there is Balance.
There is no peace without passion fullfilled.
There is no passion without knowledge to guide.
Knowledge binds without the strength to act.
Power blinds without the serentity to see.
There is freedom in life.
There is purpose in death.
The Force is in all thing and I am the Force.
4:12 DAHm, luke be DRIPPING
i noticed one thing about Luke just like his dad Luke was also wearing black cloaks
This is Gold
Do we have any clue what the older Generation (for example: Yoda, Obi-wan, Qui-Gon or Anakin) thought about this approach of Luke?
George Lucas remastered the ending of Return of The Jedi to show also Anakin's force ghost giving a fierce look of pride and approval - while Yoda and Obi-Wan happily look on with approval (this is during the Ewoks celebration on Yavin).
In Extended Universe / Legends continuity, Emperor Palpatine returns and Luke terrified joins the Dark Side to learn how to destroy him (The Dark Empire series - you see the picture for one of the comic covers in this video)...
I won't spoil it for you. I suggest you enjoy that graphic novel for yourself. No force ghosts come to the new generations aid. This is continuously taken as a sign in universe and by fans - that Luke's Way will eventually bring ultimate balance and unity to The Force... Until Disney bought them. 😘
@@syarilezzuddeen thank you 😃