I personally think the maker of this iceberg missed an opportunity with couto misto - easily one of the strangest European 'countries' to have existed.
It's origin reminds me a lot of the Republic of Cospaia, another awesome micro-state. Basically Cospaia's inhabitants tricked the emissaries that the Papal States and the Grand-Duchy of Tuscany sent into excluding their territory from the treaty, and declared independence. Lasted for almost 4 centuries too!
Another one from the same region is the Federal Republic of illa de Arousa, where in 1934, during the workers strike, at the same time Lluís Company's declared the Independence of Catalonia, a small island of at most a few thousand inhabitants (I couldn't find population records, since it was incorporated into another municipality and didn't have their own parish, but base on the size of island, recent population records and the industry at that time, it doesn't seem that more than 4.000 would be possible) decided to declare itself independent as well as a protest for the working conditions at the fisheries and canneries, they even voted for a provisional government with different ministries, the next day, a bomb exploded, the police came in and arrested the leaders, who a little later were released Sadly then most were executed during the Francoise repression in 1936)
One really wacky country that sadly wasn't mentioned is the state of Jaxa, which was a tiny colony made by a Polish cossack fleeing from the Russian Empire. It was established on the border of modern-day China and Russia and lasted for a whole 9 years (1665-1674). So Imagine, a tiny Polish-speaking Kingdom in modern-day China. Truly a wacky historical country.
Here are a few of my suggestions: - Republic of Serbian Krajina (1992-95) and Republika Srpska (1992-95), wartime entities in the Yugoslav Wars set up by ethnic Serbs in hope of joining Serbia if they won. - Republic of Central Albania (1913-14), a self-proclaimed Islamic Republic founded by Essad Pasha Toptani in hopes of rebelling against the Christian landlords and rejoin the Ottoman Empire. However his rebellions did eventually stop as Serbia and Greece invaded Albania. - Empire of China (1915-16), a short-lived attempt to bring back the Chinese Empire by general Yuan Shikai during the warlord era that ended only a year later with his death. - Principality of the Hutt River (1970-2020), an unrecognized micronation in Western Australia that had a population of less than 30. It was dissolved due to debts that had to be paid and was struggling financially. - Green Ukraine (1918-22), a group of Ukrainians that were deported to the far east during the Tsarist times. During the Russian Civil War they took the chance to rebel and form their own self-proclaimed nation. Much of the Ukrainians were Jews and Anti-Communist. The Japanese backed them however the Red Army would ultimately conquer them. During WWII many Green Ukrainians along with Russians and Jews collaborated with the Japanese to rebel against the Soviet Union, however they failed as Japan was crushed in 1945. - Liberland, an unclaimed land between Croatia and Serbia. Some people have actually ventured here and self-proclaimed their own nations. - Molossia (1977-), a micronation in Dayton, Nevada that is about the size of a football field and has a population of only 8. It is led by Kevin Baugh and uses cookie dough as a currency. - Principality of Sealand (1967-), a self-proclaimed principality on a platform in the sea off the coast of England. It was originally used during WWII as an anti-aircraft launcher but after WWII it was abandoned. So Paddy Roy Bates claimed it and declared independence. In 2012 Paddy Roy Bates died so he was succeeded by Michael Bates who is still Prince. - Western Bosnia (1993-95), an unrecognized puppet state of Serbia during the Bosnian War. It was founded by Bosnian politician Fikret Abdić as a succesionist state against Bosnia. It was backed by Republika Srpska despite being run by ethnic Bosniaks, who the Serbs committed atrocities against. It consisted of only a few towns and was overrun by Bosnian forces towards the end of the war. - League of Prizren (1878-81), an unrecognized Albanian succesionist state during the Great Eastern Crisis in the Ottoman Empire. It was founded by local Albanian rulers in rebellion against the Ottomans. They controlled most of Kosovo, Albania, as well as parts of North Macedonia and Montenegro. The Ottomans were busy fighting the Russians and Serbians so they weren't really paying attention to what was happening in Albania. However it eventually fell to Ottoman forces after a few years of fighting. - Turkestan Autonomy (1917-18) and Alash Autonomy (1917-18), two Turkic Republics founded in Central Asia right after the Russian Revolution. They were both quickly crushed by White and Red forces in the Russian Civil War. However many former Ottoman generals supported them in Turkic unity, so the Turkic rebellions in Central Asia lasted until the late 1920s, with the last insurgents not surrendering until 1934.
There’s no surfacing back from the titanic iceberg if we really attempt to form any massive iceberg list tbh Just that we need some more regular content besides tier lists, rankings, and icebergs
I find it quite interesting that both Poland and Lithuania could have ended up with kingdoms after WW1. In Lithuania, we had the Germans attempting to install Mindaugas II as King of Lithuania.
If I remember correctly it is a far stretch and one of the more silly branches, IIRC he didnt even speak Lithuanian and/or there was no support at all.
@@marijn211 If we’re talking about Wilhelm Karl (Mindaugas II), he actually started learning lithuanian as it was part of the conditions of him becoming the king. But since the germans lost that never went further. In addition, he was also descended from Casimir IV Jagiellon, grand duke of Lithuania, through his daughter Barbara Jagiellon. So I think that eventually he would gain support.
6:20 The plan to deport the Jews to Madagascar by the Nazis to solve the "Jewish Question" did not arise during WW2. Rather, it was a somewhat popular plan in the 1930s until the invasion of Poland/WW2, when the logistical issues with such an operation occurring during a World War saw the plan lose a lot of support. It was eventually scrapped entirely in 1941-1942.
It was entirely scrapped right when operation Barbarossa begun in June 1941. When "the final solution" begun. De jure only. Only "officially" by the Germans, the final solution begun in 1942. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
@@user-gr9fq9gt9w That's what I said... Technically you can use Wannsee 1942 as the absolute last date but most sources say 1941 for the Madagascar plan being abandoned.
A nation that was not included but would be likely in the iceberg is the Principality of the Pindus. Pindus is a region in Greek Epirus with a high population of the people known as Aromanians. In 1848 local Aromanian militias tried to rebel against Ottoman rule but failed. During the First Balkan War an independent Principality of the Pindus also known as the Principality of Aromania was proposed by locals but was rejected. During WW2 when Italy started a war against Greece they briefly occupied the region and established a Pindus Protectorate but it was disbanded by Greek forces moving towards Albania.
@@Cec1nator What is even more sad is that studies show that their language and culture is the closest to Roman out of any Romance people. Even the flag in 1848 had "SPQR" written on it
@@IDKatThisPoint-n9g considering that Aromanian and Romanian are closer related, I would be surprised if their language was the most similar to Latin. Sardinian would be a much better candidate for that title I believe
@@Alice-gr1kb I decided to fact-check this, and you were somewhat right. Sardinian is closest to roman out of western romance (french, italian, venetian, catalan, sardinian, occitan, valencian, portuguese, corsican, dalmatian) languages, aromanian is closest to roman out of east romance (romanian, moldovan, aromanian, istro-romanian, meglenoromanian)
Very smooth error correction at 7:18: "United Baltic Duchy. When Russia ceded a bunch of land to the Central Powers after they lost World War I, Germany had plans to form a client state in modern-day Estonia. When Russia ceded a bunch of land to the Central Powers after they lost World War I, Germany had plans to form a client state in modern-day Estonia and Latvia, ..."
All of things mentioned in here are very interesting, but Tannu Tuva's godly presence simply steals the show. Tag yourselves, I'm Tannu Tuva because they're just like me. And like our anthem, their anthem is also a masterpiece. They are the little republic that could
The maker of iceberg also forgot Karelo-Finnish SSR, that existed in 1940-1953 on the captured lands after the winter war, but later was incorporated as autonomous republic in RFSSR and now it's a federal subject of russian federation named Karelia.
Good point! Since the maker included the two Soviet-backed Finnish "states", it would have made sense to include this little-known republic of the USSR!
1:31 correction: Germany did not singlehandedly defeat the Finnish workers republic. Finland was in a state of brutal civil war. The whites were already winning when Germany landed in Helsinki. The landing was more of a nail in the coffin among many other nails than the main reason the rebelling country failed.
It could also include the semi-legendary nations like the Xia dynasty in China and our first dynasty Ik that the Xia dynasty is relatively well known compared to the others but so is Sikkim
Here in Brazil we have some countries that may be in the iceberg: República Rio-Grandense (1836-1845); República Juliana (1839); República do Acre (1899-1903) The first two its part of the Farroupilha Revolution, the third I don't know very well, but it was a territory that proclaimed independence from Bolivia and was later integrated into Brazilian territory.
@@morbidsearch because of some specific reasons. 1 despite the size of the territory, the greatest density of people was in the south and coast. 2 independence was carried out by the Portuguese royal family itself. 3 during the regency period (1831-1840) there were several revolts against the empire, but all were fought hard. The only one that was more successful was the farroupilha revolution.
*LAYER 4* 0:20: Kingdom of Poland of 1917 0:45: West Ukrainian People's Republic 1:10: Finnish Workers Republic 1:44: German-Austria 2:12: Bavarian Soviet Republic 2:36: Hungarian Soviet Republic 2:55: Saar Protectorates 3:20: Tannu Tuva 3:52: Free City of Danzig 4:18: Bizone, Trizone *LAYER 5* 6:19: Israel in Madagascar 6:36: Intermarium 7:12: Polish-Czechoslovak Confederation 7:18: United Baltic Duchy 7:47: Golden Circle 8:16: Independent Saarland 8:34: Order-State of Burgundy 8:57: Churchill's Germany Plans 9:11: United States of Europe 9:37: Imperial Federation 10:06: Balkan Federation 10:57: Cascadia 11:13: Reichskommisariat Kaukasus 11:35: Reichskommisariat Moscowien 11:49: Franco-British Union 12:23: Union State of Russia and Belarus 12:43: United States of Africa 13:12: Romanistan *LAYER 6* 13:43: Jefferson State 14:11: Portoia 14:17: Soviet Finnish Client State 14:43: Baluchistan 15:01: Taured 15:27: Volga-German ASSR 16:06: Sikkim
The post-WWI Saarland (called the Territory of the Saar Basin) wasn't a protectorate but rather a mandate. Mandates are different from protectorates, for mandates are stewarded by a world body with or without de facto administering power. And it was jointly ruled by France (along with the UK) during that period too, in which they seized the region's coalfields. The region's coal was the reason why France wanted the Saarland in the first place (since they lacked coal of their own), and no matter how much it tried to get them to join France (the living standards of Saarland were WAY ahead of the rest of what would become West Germany; they also banned pro-German parties), in the end when the Saarland was a protectorate after WWII they overwhelmingly decided to join West Germany rather than stick with the French. They even had their own team once at the Summer Olympics in 1952. So France wouldn't mind the Saarland joining West Germany, the European Coal and Steel Community was formed so France could still get their sweet sweet coal. This community's activities were absorbed by the European Community in 2002
I once again mention the Principality of Torul, a piece of the Empire of Trebizond which survived until 1479, making it the true last bastion of Rome rather than the Principality of Theodoro. Source is "Empire of Trebizond and the Pontos" by Anthony Bryer
2 years late but i heard the indo bactrian kingdom, (a greek influenced kingdom in modern pakistan and afghanistan) had a leader who launched a conquest of north india but it was never written in indian history
For ancient states, would be interesting to explore the indo-greek kingdoms and how they meshed several different cultures together and how that affected culture today.
Another bizarre country not mentioned was the Rus' Khaganate, a hypothetical country ruled by Scandinavian vikings somewhere in Russia and Eastern Europe during the eighth and ninth-centuries, with the ruler using the Turkic title of "khagan". The only documentation we have of its existence are a couple of Frankish and Byzantine letters and charters, so a lot of historians believe it didn't actually exist and as a result, it isn't very well-known.
Im from Washington and we take Cascadia very seriously here. Even though becoming an independent state is completely impractical, we still recognize it as a bioregion. We have a flag too, which I see quite frequently flying around these parts.
Actually, the 4chan state was Polony Portoia, though 4chan related, is an urban legend in the same vain as Taured a guy showed up in a thread once, having a weird flag to his name, the country code said it was "Portoia" this sparked the idea that Portoia was actually a country from an alternate universe, somehow breaking into our reality the truth however, is that Portoia was a joke country-code (and flag) added to 4chan's /int/ that made its way to other boards with flags enabled, like /pol/ Portoia has since been removed from 4chan, never to be seen again
@@therenomoregoodnames polony is a word play of "/pol/ colony", bascially saying that any board on 4chan that goes off topic due to politics or an abundance of extreme political views is a "Polony" but the term isn't really used that much anymore.
I feel as though an ancient history representative that was missed out on was Tartessos. Most of the vast coastlines of the Mediterranean had their ancient civilizations, such as the Egyptians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Carthaginians, and Romans, but most people cannot think of one originating from Spain or France. In reality, there was a heavily civilized nation in Southern Spain named Tartessos, although we don’t know much and what we do know is from the Greeks and Carthaginians for the most part. It likely existed between 1000 BCE and 520 BCE.
I would kill for any amount of greater insight into the Tartessian language. Any information at all that I could use to decipher that blasted scriptio continua would be worth its weight in gold from my perspective.
@@taicanium have you tried seeing if basque makes any sense? It does have an unknown language tree which if it is in spain it probably stayed there after starting there since more dominant powers quickly moved in. It makes sense for the more culturally diehard people to migrate north away from dangerous coasts I'd say. I don't have any knowledge of this city or even heard of it but I feel like this theory could maybe work. It would just take a minute to see if there's any chance of connection
Sounds like a post-bronze age country that seems to have incorporated some later Iron Age cultures from around the Iberian and distant Mediterranean regions.
A more in depth explanation of Portoia It's a flag/country that appeared sometimes in 4chan, it's probably a joke flag, but some people say it's from an Alternative Reality like Taured
Was born, raised, and live in Portland and I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention Cascadia outside of the internet and almost every time I've mentioned it people have no idea what I'm talking about.
Imagine a poet forming his own indipendent state. Yeah, I'm not kidding. Italian poet Gabriele d'Annunzio seized control of the city of Rijeka (also formerly known by its Italian name of Fiume) and formed the Regency to prepare the annexation of the city to the Kingdom of Italy.
Suggestions: Wilsonian Armenia (1920) Armenia with the territories from Sevre treaty, under protectorate of USA, was divided before it existed between Turkey and Soviet Russia Transcaucasian Federation Democratic Republic (1918) Federation country that declared independence from soviet russia to fight against ottoman army . Blew up into 3 countries at May 26-28 Russian Democratic Federative Republic (1918) (after russia republic) It's like Russian Empire, but federative democratjc republic, with some republics as part of it. Bolsheviks ruined everything) Mountain Republic (1918-1919) North caucasus nations islamic country , that had no chance to fight against bolsheviks and white powers in Russian civil war. It had territories from Ossetia to Dagestan. Kurdistan (1920) Possible country ,that could exist , but not exist .
If you plan to include countries before the 19th century (where the concept of a country starts to become blurry) for your planned future iceberg, how about the Southern Ming Princes as well as the Kingdom of Tungning (a Ming Dynasty exile state in Taiwan)?
If you're taking suggestions for your own iceburg, I have a few: Lotharingia - The successor kingdom of Middle Francia of the Carolingian Empire. Punt - Ambiguously known kingdom from the era of ancient Egypt, I can't remember if you made a video on it or if that was someone else. Netherlands Antilles - Former constituent country of the Netherlands, which was dissolved in 2010. New Hebrides - A colony controlled by both France and Britain at the same time. Now known as Vanuatu. Upper Volta - An African country with the same flag as the German Empire. Now known as Burkina Faso. Ragusa - An Italian city state in modern day southern Croatia that became a tributary of both the Ottomans and Austria, before being conquered by France. (Yes I play EU4)
If you end up doing your own iceberg, here are my suggestions : Haudenosaunee (not that obscure these days, but still) Republic of Canada (1837-1838) Republic of Lower Canada
The Boer republics _were_ quite an interesting part of South African history! Also, thanks for reminding me of Griqualand West and Griqualand East! I forgot about them! For more information, if other people are wondering are wondering: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_republics en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griqualand_West en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griqualand_East
here some obscure countries or states for your own iceberg: republic of Ezo, holey sultanate of Khorasan, khanate of Karabakh, republic of YunNan, Mahabad ASSR, Tsukushi Autonomous commandery, Alash Orda, Yabghu Khanate.
Really interesting video. Maybe you could start a series of videos focusing on lesser-known historical countries like those? As you've said yourself, it's an extremely wide subject.
United States of Belgium, when Belgium declared independence from Austria in the late 1700s. Not much known about this short lived state, they existed for less than a year before being suppressed by Austria after which they were annexed by Napoleon, and after that became part of the United Netherlands before declaring independence again in 1830.
Bela Lugosi, most famous for playing Dracula, was involved in organizing actors as a supporter of the Hungarian Soviet Republic. He ended up in Hollywood because he had to flee Hungary after the Soviet Republic fell.
Would be fun include Couto Mixto, a de facto independent country that existed between Spain and Portugal until the 19th century, that no ones know about it.
As someone from the Pacific Northwest, Cascadia isn't really a country proposal, it's just a fun idea to play with. The idea for Cascadia mainly comes from how the culture and people of the Pacific Northwest and Western Canada is distinct from the rest of their respective countries.
My favorite is something Kossuth proposed after he bravely ran away, losing the Hungarian revolution against the Hapsburgs in 1849. It was supposedly called the "Republic Along the Danube" or what, and would have included many of the ethnic groups from the Hapsburg empire, but in a federal republic.
after reading the comments a bit: the makers missed so many Countrys or proposals outside of the 20th. Century and you could some layers further down if one would include the 19. Century or Africa. Or with that level make an Iceberg of German Kleinstaaterei ... well, if anyone had done it already
Indeed! I haven't heard of Lanfang before, but I know Jaxa (a Polish-ruled state near China), the Vermont Republic (Vermont as an independent country from 1777 to 1791), and Westralia (Western Australia secession proposal) are quite interesting!
out of this whole thing, layer 1: all knew layer 2: all knew layer 3: all knew layer 4: 3 unknown layer 5: 7 unknown layer 6: 3 unknown i spend too much time on wikipedia
Hi Tiger what's up? Could you include the Monarchy of the North, it was a short lived state in the North of Portugal who, beetween January to Febuary of 1919, restoured the Portuguese Monarchy and had Paiva Couceiro as the president of the King's provisional government but it didn't had King Manuel II's permission, as he didn't want the Monarchy to be restoured by force. Great video btw😁🤗
About the intermarium, it's idea got sortof revived and turned into the now present Three Seas Initiative. It doesn't do much, but it does, in fact, exist.
The Bavarian Soviet Republic deserves a longer description! They were a mix of "Reds," including anarchists and Surrealists. (Keep in mind Anarchists were a major force in Petrograd in the overthrow of the Kerensky government and in the Red Terror, before the Bolsheviks wiped them out.) Dr. Franz Lipp was their foreign minister. He had also been a guest at several insane asylums, and was a Surrealist. When someone of this artistic movement enters real-world politics, things get interesting. As the official in charge of foreign policy, Franz Lipp sent telegrams to various world leaders which have since gone down in history: He complained to both Lenin in Soviet Russia and to Pope Benedict XV that he had lost the key to the ministry's toilet. The same diplomatic note said of Gustav Noske, perhaps the leading figure in the Social Democratic Party (whom Communists and Anarchists both hated), denouncing Noske's "furry gorilla hands dripping in blood." (Good name for a Death Metal band.) He tried to broker a separate peace with France, avoiding punishments that would fall on the rest of Germany. And he kept trying to declare war on Switzerland. Dr. Lipp owed his position to the strength of Bavaria's "Schwarze Scharen," the anarchist black brigades. They are the direct ancestor of today's Antifa movements, and mark the one time Anarcho-Communists actually came to power. Portland's "Rose City Antifa" are the most prominent of today's Anarcho-Communists, but Antifa groups are active across Western Europe and North America, and get the kid gloves treatment from the news media, which prettifies their violence, arson, and looting. I guess there was actually a second black brigade republic -- the short-lived Capital Hill Occupied Zone (CHOP) which held six blocks of Seattle for most of June 2020.
People's Bavaria and Carnaro Regency have that ,,red-floodish vibe" of state run by surreal/modernist artists, and I find it very cool tbh, it's a great inspiration for alt-history scenarios
My grandpa used to tell me stories about the "Saar Protectorate", we actually had our own constitution, flag, anthem and money... Btw the anthem survived, some orchestras still play it from time to time.
if you ever do a video on another iceberg like this i highly recommend u/NizamNizamNizam's Historical States iceberg, it's a lot like what you described with more pre-modern states and such
I actually already knew about the Volga German ASSR (my great grandpa was a Volga German), I think that's the first time I knew about something at the bottom of the iceberg
I live in the area where the proposed state ofJeffersonn is and many still want recognition, almost every county in the proposed state has already voted on the matter and an overwhelming majority to form the new state is present.
As a Brit, I think it would be interesting to see what an Imperial Federation or Franco-British Union would look like today. Perhaps the British Empire would still be around to this day or Britain and France would be a single united nation 🇬🇧🇲🇫
You overlooked the smaller breakaway Ukrainian states from Austria-Hungary again by saying "The Ukrainian portion declared independence as the West Ukrainian Republic". Should also be noted "The Republic of German Austria" existed specifically to be annexed by Germany before it was forbidden in the Treaty of St. Germain en Laye. I'm 100% sure the Freikorps would have invaded Bavaria harsh reign or no. It's weird to say there's a causal relationship between the two. Starting at 7:20 you include the start of a different take. Should be noted that the Burgundy being addressed in the Order State of Burgundy and "Medieval Burgundy was more German" points is not the actual region of Burgundy (which was definitely not "more German") but of a larger historical entity, the Duchy of Burgundy, which resembled the northern part of Lotharingia in domain. Nation is a term that can be interchangeable with "country" in modern common parlance, but it's still extremely weird to apply it to medieval feudal realms.
i know one which i can guarantee noone in the comments knows about. the majority austrian german free city of pressburg todays bratislava wanted to become a free city like danzig and they declared independence lasting from november 1918 to january 1919 it doesnt even have its own wikipedia page and it only has a few mentions on wikipedia.
This is very good, but I think It would hace bien nice if you mentioned the republica of baja California and Sonora established by William Walker's expedition but was later defeated by the mexican army Nice work still, lovely video!
Indeed! 1642 to 1975 is quite a long time, especially for a small country located between several larger countries, like Nepal, China, and India! The Emperor implied that Nepal wanted to control Sikkim, while China and India seem like the sort of countries that (historically) would have wanted to control more land; yet, Sikkim was only annexed by India less than 50 years ago!
I wonder if the “Soviet Finnish Client State” entry may also have been referring to the so-called “Finnish Democratic Republic” that was set up in Soviet territories of Ladoga and Karelia. It’s head of state was Otto Wille Kuussinen, but there isn’t a lot of info on it other than that it probably was designed to facilitate the integration of Finland into the Soviet Union and ended up being fairly short-lived.
I’m sorry but saying Sikkim in 1975 “agreed to become an Indian state” is… quite something. The Indian army invaded Sikkim, imprisoned the King and massacred the royal guard, then stages a referendum (reportedly bussing in thousands of Indians from neighbouring West Bengal to vote), and declared that 98% of Sikkimese had voted to become part of India.
Cool video, if you do make that sequel you talked about, I suggest that proto-ancap territory that was in Italy during the 1400s or so. Republic of Cospaia, that's the name.
I think this iceburg was quite disappointing because pretty much every country was from the inter war period. I'm sure that's because it reflects the posters interests but it would have been nice to see some other periods.
Kinda sad Guna Yala (weird autonomous region inside panama, you need to show a passport to get in but it’s still in panama) didn’t show up, it’s got an interesting backstory
Well 1) Free City of Danzig was created first in 1807 2) there was no ''take over''. Just unification between Nazi Germany and Nazi Danzig. The Danziger did not defend themselves against the Germans, but very active supported them.
I'm surprised that Belize wasn't even an entry since it's still obscure to a lot of people and the majority of people I talked to online haven't heard of us or even know abouy our existence
Intermarium is similar to the plans Erik of pomerania had for a Polish-Lithuanian-Kalmar Union Empire in the 1400s. He had planned to marry his hier to the daughter of the Polish King Władysław II Jagiełło. Erik was the cousin of Emperor Sigismund and was on really good terms with him, Even planning to join the crusade against the Hussites. It's an interesting idea, and ofc later, King Sigismund of Poland almost formed a Polish-Lithuanian-swedish union.
The Czechoslovak-Polish confederation was actually debated between the governments-in-exile of the countries during WW2 but ultimately failed because of their different stances on the USSR. Poland was hostile to the Soviet Union while Czechoslovakia had friendly relations with them since 1935.
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The only reason I know that Sikkim exists is because I was reading about Sikhism on Wikipedia and it said "not to be confused with Sikkim".
If you ever make your own I think English tangiers should be on there.
I personally think the maker of this iceberg missed an opportunity with couto misto - easily one of the strangest European 'countries' to have existed.
It's origin reminds me a lot of the Republic of Cospaia, another awesome micro-state.
Basically Cospaia's inhabitants tricked the emissaries that the Papal States and the Grand-Duchy of Tuscany sent into excluding their territory from the treaty, and declared independence. Lasted for almost 4 centuries too!
i think sealand of the sovereign military order of malta should have been included
Or what about Neutral Moresnet
Another one from the same region is the Federal Republic of illa de Arousa, where in 1934, during the workers strike, at the same time Lluís Company's declared the Independence of Catalonia, a small island of at most a few thousand inhabitants (I couldn't find population records, since it was incorporated into another municipality and didn't have their own parish, but base on the size of island, recent population records and the industry at that time, it doesn't seem that more than 4.000 would be possible) decided to declare itself independent as well as a protest for the working conditions at the fisheries and canneries, they even voted for a provisional government with different ministries, the next day, a bomb exploded, the police came in and arrested the leaders, who a little later were released Sadly then most were executed during the Francoise repression in 1936)
I just looked that up. Thanks for mentioning it.
One really wacky country that sadly wasn't mentioned is the state of Jaxa, which was a tiny colony made by a Polish cossack fleeing from the Russian Empire. It was established on the border of modern-day China and Russia and lasted for a whole 9 years (1665-1674).
So Imagine, a tiny Polish-speaking Kingdom in modern-day China. Truly a wacky historical country.
This is some cursed winged hussar oriental regimental gulag/penal colonial border march
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It's crazy that this still lasted longer than the Confederate States.
To the person who made this iceberg: Tell me you're way too much into WWII without telling me you're way too much into WWII
It feels like a HoI4 Iceberg
@@RoNPlayer probably tno player lol
@@irfaalwan3590 Definitely with the Burgundy
It littraly said countries in recent history
@@noobiamyes4853 Recent history isn’t just WW2…
Here are a few of my suggestions:
- Republic of Serbian Krajina (1992-95) and Republika Srpska (1992-95), wartime entities in the Yugoslav Wars set up by ethnic Serbs in hope of joining Serbia if they won.
- Republic of Central Albania (1913-14), a self-proclaimed Islamic Republic founded by Essad Pasha Toptani in hopes of rebelling against the Christian landlords and rejoin the Ottoman Empire. However his rebellions did eventually stop as Serbia and Greece invaded Albania.
- Empire of China (1915-16), a short-lived attempt to bring back the Chinese Empire by general Yuan Shikai during the warlord era that ended only a year later with his death.
- Principality of the Hutt River (1970-2020), an unrecognized micronation in Western Australia that had a population of less than 30. It was dissolved due to debts that had to be paid and was struggling financially.
- Green Ukraine (1918-22), a group of Ukrainians that were deported to the far east during the Tsarist times. During the Russian Civil War they took the chance to rebel and form their own self-proclaimed nation. Much of the Ukrainians were Jews and Anti-Communist. The Japanese backed them however the Red Army would ultimately conquer them. During WWII many Green Ukrainians along with Russians and Jews collaborated with the Japanese to rebel against the Soviet Union, however they failed as Japan was crushed in 1945.
- Liberland, an unclaimed land between Croatia and Serbia. Some people have actually ventured here and self-proclaimed their own nations.
- Molossia (1977-), a micronation in Dayton, Nevada that is about the size of a football field and has a population of only 8. It is led by Kevin Baugh and uses cookie dough as a currency.
- Principality of Sealand (1967-), a self-proclaimed principality on a platform in the sea off the coast of England. It was originally used during WWII as an anti-aircraft launcher but after WWII it was abandoned. So Paddy Roy Bates claimed it and declared independence. In 2012 Paddy Roy Bates died so he was succeeded by Michael Bates who is still Prince.
- Western Bosnia (1993-95), an unrecognized puppet state of Serbia during the Bosnian War. It was founded by Bosnian politician Fikret Abdić as a succesionist state against Bosnia. It was backed by Republika Srpska despite being run by ethnic Bosniaks, who the Serbs committed atrocities against. It consisted of only a few towns and was overrun by Bosnian forces towards the end of the war.
- League of Prizren (1878-81), an unrecognized Albanian succesionist state during the Great Eastern Crisis in the Ottoman Empire. It was founded by local Albanian rulers in rebellion against the Ottomans. They controlled most of Kosovo, Albania, as well as parts of North Macedonia and Montenegro. The Ottomans were busy fighting the Russians and Serbians so they weren't really paying attention to what was happening in Albania. However it eventually fell to Ottoman forces after a few years of fighting.
- Turkestan Autonomy (1917-18) and Alash Autonomy (1917-18), two Turkic Republics founded in Central Asia right after the Russian Revolution. They were both quickly crushed by White and Red forces in the Russian Civil War. However many former Ottoman generals supported them in Turkic unity, so the Turkic rebellions in Central Asia lasted until the late 1920s, with the last insurgents not surrendering until 1934.
All you listed was just micronations and temporary governments in the Balkans
@@robertnicolae1882 Turkestan, Empire of China, Alash, and Green Ukraine are not in the Balkans.
@@robertnicolae1882 wdym, temp governments are a thing everywhere
Cool
Could the OP have not used so many ww2 states, there’s more to history than just ww2
There’s no surfacing back from the titanic iceberg if we really attempt to form any massive iceberg list tbh
Just that we need some more regular content besides tier lists, rankings, and icebergs
Indeed! The OP could have mixed things up more!
I find it quite interesting that both Poland and Lithuania could have ended up with kingdoms after WW1. In Lithuania, we had the Germans attempting to install Mindaugas II as King of Lithuania.
Oh yeah, I played as that king in Hearts of Iron IV, Kaiserreich mod as Kingodm of Lithuania.
@@albinovenom6872, yeah, who else here recognizes a bunch of countries mentioned here that are things in Kaiserreich and TNO?
@@occam7382 I feel like even the Paradox devs learned about these people through these mods, which is why we now have Mindaugas III in hoi4 officially
If I remember correctly it is a far stretch and one of the more silly branches, IIRC he didnt even speak Lithuanian and/or there was no support at all.
@@marijn211 If we’re talking about Wilhelm Karl (Mindaugas II), he actually started learning lithuanian as it was part of the conditions of him becoming the king. But since the germans lost that never went further. In addition, he was also descended from Casimir IV Jagiellon, grand duke of Lithuania, through his daughter Barbara Jagiellon. So I think that eventually he would gain support.
6:20 The plan to deport the Jews to Madagascar by the Nazis to solve the "Jewish Question" did not arise during WW2. Rather, it was a somewhat popular plan in the 1930s until the invasion of Poland/WW2, when the logistical issues with such an operation occurring during a World War saw the plan lose a lot of support. It was eventually scrapped entirely in 1941-1942.
It was entirely scrapped right when operation Barbarossa begun in June 1941. When "the final solution" begun.
De jure only. Only "officially" by the Germans, the final solution begun in 1942.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
@@user-gr9fq9gt9w That's what I said... Technically you can use Wannsee 1942 as the absolute last date but most sources say 1941 for the Madagascar plan being abandoned.
and the plan was abandoned in favour of the Final Solution :(
A nation that was not included but would be likely in the iceberg is the Principality of the Pindus. Pindus is a region in Greek Epirus with a high population of the people known as Aromanians. In 1848 local Aromanian militias tried to rebel against Ottoman rule but failed. During the First Balkan War an independent Principality of the Pindus also known as the Principality of Aromania was proposed by locals but was rejected. During WW2 when Italy started a war against Greece they briefly occupied the region and established a Pindus Protectorate but it was disbanded by Greek forces moving towards Albania.
Aromanians had it rough throughout history, especially in Albania
@@Cec1nator What is even more sad is that studies show that their language and culture is the closest to Roman out of any Romance people. Even the flag in 1848 had "SPQR" written on it
@@IDKatThisPoint-n9g considering that Aromanian and Romanian are closer related, I would be surprised if their language was the most similar to Latin. Sardinian would be a much better candidate for that title I believe
@@Alice-gr1kb I decided to fact-check this, and you were somewhat right. Sardinian is closest to roman out of western romance (french, italian, venetian, catalan, sardinian, occitan, valencian, portuguese, corsican, dalmatian) languages, aromanian is closest to roman out of east romance (romanian, moldovan, aromanian, istro-romanian, meglenoromanian)
Very smooth error correction at 7:18:
"United Baltic Duchy.
When Russia ceded a bunch of land to the Central Powers after they lost World War I, Germany had plans to form a client state in modern-day Estonia.
When Russia ceded a bunch of land to the Central Powers after they lost World War I, Germany had plans to form a client state in modern-day Estonia and Latvia, ..."
wtf, I didn't even noitice
All of things mentioned in here are very interesting, but Tannu Tuva's godly presence simply steals the show. Tag yourselves, I'm Tannu Tuva because they're just like me. And like our anthem, their anthem is also a masterpiece. They are the little republic that could
Tannu Tuva is the morbius of countries.
Ah yes, Tannu Tuva
The second communist country not to get bludgeoned to death immediately after creation
The maker of iceberg also forgot Karelo-Finnish SSR, that existed in 1940-1953 on the captured lands after the winter war, but later was incorporated as autonomous republic in RFSSR and now it's a federal subject of russian federation named Karelia.
Good point! Since the maker included the two Soviet-backed Finnish "states", it would have made sense to include this little-known republic of the USSR!
1:31 correction: Germany did not singlehandedly defeat the Finnish workers republic. Finland was in a state of brutal civil war. The whites were already winning when Germany landed in Helsinki. The landing was more of a nail in the coffin among many other nails than the main reason the rebelling country failed.
i'd love another video (or series) like this where you make your own iceberg. i'm kinda surprised that deseret wasn't on this one when jefferson was
I feel like the Iceberg's lowest layer should've been made up historical countries like Lechina Empire
The Lechina empire was a fictional nation made up by a polish nationalist the idea could have been used in the iceberg but it was a fictional nation.
@@cajunamuria5938 I think this was satire?
This funny nation belongs to some funny bad history icebergs tbh
Along with other totally "real" countries like Hyoerborea and Atlantis.
It could also include the semi-legendary nations like the Xia dynasty in China and our first dynasty
Ik that the Xia dynasty is relatively well known compared to the others but so is Sikkim
Here in Brazil we have some countries that may be in the iceberg:
República Rio-Grandense (1836-1845);
República Juliana (1839);
República do Acre (1899-1903)
The first two its part of the Farroupilha Revolution, the third I don't know very well, but it was a territory that proclaimed independence from Bolivia and was later integrated into Brazilian territory.
It is impressive that Brazil held itself together while the Spanish speaking countries became divided
@@morbidsearch because of some specific reasons. 1 despite the size of the territory, the greatest density of people was in the south and coast. 2 independence was carried out by the Portuguese royal family itself. 3 during the regency period (1831-1840) there were several revolts against the empire, but all were fought hard. The only one that was more successful was the farroupilha revolution.
And Uruguay, the biggest rogue state of Brazil
@@Paulo-sb4de cisplatina hahaha. I forgeted
*LAYER 4*
0:20: Kingdom of Poland of 1917
0:45: West Ukrainian People's Republic
1:10: Finnish Workers Republic
1:44: German-Austria
2:12: Bavarian Soviet Republic
2:36: Hungarian Soviet Republic
2:55: Saar Protectorates
3:20: Tannu Tuva
3:52: Free City of Danzig
4:18: Bizone, Trizone
*LAYER 5*
6:19: Israel in Madagascar
6:36: Intermarium
7:12: Polish-Czechoslovak Confederation
7:18: United Baltic Duchy
7:47: Golden Circle
8:16: Independent Saarland
8:34: Order-State of Burgundy
8:57: Churchill's Germany Plans
9:11: United States of Europe
9:37: Imperial Federation
10:06: Balkan Federation
10:57: Cascadia
11:13: Reichskommisariat Kaukasus
11:35: Reichskommisariat Moscowien
11:49: Franco-British Union
12:23: Union State of Russia and Belarus
12:43: United States of Africa
13:12: Romanistan
*LAYER 6*
13:43: Jefferson State
14:11: Portoia
14:17: Soviet Finnish Client State
14:43: Baluchistan
15:01: Taured
15:27: Volga-German ASSR
16:06: Sikkim
I would absolutely love a video like this with your own iceberg.
The post-WWI Saarland (called the Territory of the Saar Basin) wasn't a protectorate but rather a mandate. Mandates are different from protectorates, for mandates are stewarded by a world body with or without de facto administering power.
And it was jointly ruled by France (along with the UK) during that period too, in which they seized the region's coalfields. The region's coal was the reason why France wanted the Saarland in the first place (since they lacked coal of their own), and no matter how much it tried to get them to join France (the living standards of Saarland were WAY ahead of the rest of what would become West Germany; they also banned pro-German parties), in the end when the Saarland was a protectorate after WWII they overwhelmingly decided to join West Germany rather than stick with the French. They even had their own team once at the Summer Olympics in 1952. So France wouldn't mind the Saarland joining West Germany, the European Coal and Steel Community was formed so France could still get their sweet sweet coal. This community's activities were absorbed by the European Community in 2002
Yep 99% of them voted to rejoin Germany and not a single person voted to join France.
I once again mention the Principality of Torul, a piece of the Empire of Trebizond which survived until 1479, making it the true last bastion of Rome rather than the Principality of Theodoro. Source is "Empire of Trebizond and the Pontos" by Anthony Bryer
One of the deep iceberg nations could've been the indo-Greek Kingdom. Imagine a Greek Kingdom from Afghanistan that ruled over northern India.
2 years late but i heard the indo bactrian kingdom, (a greek influenced kingdom in modern pakistan and afghanistan) had a leader who launched a conquest of north india but it was never written in indian history
For ancient states, would be interesting to explore the indo-greek kingdoms and how they meshed several different cultures together and how that affected culture today.
Another bizarre country not mentioned was the Rus' Khaganate, a hypothetical country ruled by Scandinavian vikings somewhere in Russia and Eastern Europe during the eighth and ninth-centuries, with the ruler using the Turkic title of "khagan". The only documentation we have of its existence are a couple of Frankish and Byzantine letters and charters, so a lot of historians believe it didn't actually exist and as a result, it isn't very well-known.
As far as I read, it was the early Kievan Rus. The Dukes of Kiev also held the the titles of Khagans.
Isn't the most common telling of the Man from Taured story being that Taured was between France and Spain, about where Andorra is?
That’s what I remember, but I guess there are re-tellings of the story locating Taured in Africa
Yes, in the story, taured is supposed to be an arab andorra
Im from Washington and we take Cascadia very seriously here. Even though becoming an independent state is completely impractical, we still recognize it as a bioregion. We have a flag too, which I see quite frequently flying around these parts.
Keep your eyes and ears with that notion, it’s up to a ere select people to either realize or extinguish this
Kind of a country, but not a state or nation.
I would add "Jaxa" to 6 layer. In brief, it was a polish 17th century state in northern china.
Actually, the 4chan state was Polony
Portoia, though 4chan related, is an urban legend in the same vain as Taured
a guy showed up in a thread once, having a weird flag to his name, the country code said it was "Portoia"
this sparked the idea that Portoia was actually a country from an alternate universe, somehow breaking into our reality
the truth however, is that Portoia was a joke country-code (and flag) added to 4chan's /int/ that made its way to other boards with flags enabled, like /pol/
Portoia has since been removed from 4chan, never to be seen again
Can you explain Polony to me, I'm having trouble finding info on it
@@therenomoregoodnames Pol colony was basically a “planned” white ethno state that clearly had jack come from it.
@@therenomoregoodnames polony is a word play of "/pol/ colony", bascially saying that any board on 4chan that goes off topic due to politics or an abundance of extreme political views is a "Polony" but the term isn't really used that much anymore.
I feel as though an ancient history representative that was missed out on was Tartessos. Most of the vast coastlines of the Mediterranean had their ancient civilizations, such as the Egyptians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Carthaginians, and Romans, but most people cannot think of one originating from Spain or France. In reality, there was a heavily civilized nation in Southern Spain named Tartessos, although we don’t know much and what we do know is from the Greeks and Carthaginians for the most part. It likely existed between 1000 BCE and 520 BCE.
I would kill for any amount of greater insight into the Tartessian language. Any information at all that I could use to decipher that blasted scriptio continua would be worth its weight in gold from my perspective.
@@taicanium have you tried seeing if basque makes any sense? It does have an unknown language tree which if it is in spain it probably stayed there after starting there since more dominant powers quickly moved in. It makes sense for the more culturally diehard people to migrate north away from dangerous coasts I'd say. I don't have any knowledge of this city or even heard of it but I feel like this theory could maybe work. It would just take a minute to see if there's any chance of connection
Sounds like a post-bronze age country that seems to have incorporated some later Iron Age cultures from around the Iberian and distant Mediterranean regions.
Wow this iceberg is... uh... man almost no classical or medieval nations, and a heavy focus towards ww2 why am I not surprised
A more in depth explanation of Portoia
It's a flag/country that appeared sometimes in 4chan, it's probably a joke flag, but some people say it's from an Alternative Reality like Taured
Can I just say it's a nice thing you do taking out the subject from the iceberg when youre done explaining it
Ahhhh, there's Tannu Tuva. Time for all the Hoi4 fans to point at the screen and clap in recognition.
As a hoi4 fan I pointed at the screen and clapped in recognition.
Tannu what?
burgundy is here too
Was born, raised, and live in Portland and I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention Cascadia outside of the internet and almost every time I've mentioned it people have no idea what I'm talking about.
I'm disappointed the Italian Regency of Carnaro wasn't included, it's such a wild story
Imagine a poet forming his own indipendent state.
Yeah, I'm not kidding. Italian poet Gabriele d'Annunzio seized control of the city of Rijeka (also formerly known by its Italian name of Fiume) and formed the Regency to prepare the annexation of the city to the Kingdom of Italy.
Suggestions:
Wilsonian Armenia (1920)
Armenia with the territories from Sevre treaty, under protectorate of USA, was divided before it existed between Turkey and Soviet Russia
Transcaucasian Federation Democratic Republic (1918)
Federation country that declared independence from soviet russia to fight against ottoman army . Blew up into 3 countries at May 26-28
Russian Democratic Federative Republic (1918) (after russia republic)
It's like Russian Empire, but federative democratjc republic, with some republics as part of it. Bolsheviks ruined everything)
Mountain Republic (1918-1919)
North caucasus nations islamic country , that had no chance to fight against bolsheviks and white powers in Russian civil war. It had territories from Ossetia to Dagestan.
Kurdistan (1920)
Possible country ,that could exist , but not exist .
Ruanda-Urundi, Mali federation
If ur on those topics don't forget the independent assyrian state in the 1920's
@@somestickmanboi9458 Assyrian? I tought it was just proposed state
Likely quashed by the Sykes-Picot deal
If you plan to include countries before the 19th century (where the concept of a country starts to become blurry) for your planned future iceberg, how about the Southern Ming Princes as well as the Kingdom of Tungning (a Ming Dynasty exile state in Taiwan)?
The Jefferson State purposal (Northern California/South Oregon) is still alive today, if not the biggest or most publicity published group.
I wonder what further levels you would add for medieval and other obscure political entities
If you're taking suggestions for your own iceburg, I have a few:
Lotharingia - The successor kingdom of Middle Francia of the Carolingian Empire.
Punt - Ambiguously known kingdom from the era of ancient Egypt, I can't remember if you made a video on it or if that was someone else.
Netherlands Antilles - Former constituent country of the Netherlands, which was dissolved in 2010.
New Hebrides - A colony controlled by both France and Britain at the same time. Now known as Vanuatu.
Upper Volta - An African country with the same flag as the German Empire. Now known as Burkina Faso.
Ragusa - An Italian city state in modern day southern Croatia that became a tributary of both the Ottomans and Austria, before being conquered by France. (Yes I play EU4)
If you end up doing your own iceberg, here are my suggestions :
Haudenosaunee (not that obscure these days, but still)
Republic of Canada (1837-1838)
Republic of Lower Canada
Feels weird that the Boer republics weren't on there. Or the two Griqualands if you want to get even more obscure.
The Boer republics _were_ quite an interesting part of South African history! Also, thanks for reminding me of Griqualand West and Griqualand East! I forgot about them!
For more information, if other people are wondering are wondering: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_republics en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griqualand_West en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griqualand_East
here some obscure countries or states for your own iceberg: republic of Ezo, holey sultanate of Khorasan, khanate of Karabakh, republic of YunNan, Mahabad ASSR, Tsukushi Autonomous commandery, Alash Orda, Yabghu Khanate.
Really interesting video. Maybe you could start a series of videos focusing on lesser-known historical countries like those? As you've said yourself, it's an extremely wide subject.
Glad that map makers could clarify that
Red = Red Finland
and
White - White Finland
United States of Belgium, when Belgium declared independence from Austria in the late 1700s. Not much known about this short lived state, they existed for less than a year before being suppressed by Austria after which they were annexed by Napoleon, and after that became part of the United Netherlands before declaring independence again in 1830.
Heres one - the Polish-Lithuanian-Moscovite commonwealth. This one failed mainly due to orthodox/Catholic clashes.
Bela Lugosi, most famous for playing Dracula, was involved in organizing actors as a supporter of the Hungarian Soviet Republic. He ended up in Hollywood because he had to flee Hungary after the Soviet Republic fell.
Would be fun include Couto Mixto, a de facto independent country that existed between Spain and Portugal until the 19th century, that no ones know about it.
Churchill's Germany got my sides hurting 🤣
8:34 TNO INTENSIFAYS..
*Burgundian Lullaby intensifies*
As someone from the Pacific Northwest, Cascadia isn't really a country proposal, it's just a fun idea to play with. The idea for Cascadia mainly comes from how the culture and people of the Pacific Northwest and Western Canada is distinct from the rest of their respective countries.
I thought taured was in Andorra as part of the urban legend
My favorite is something Kossuth proposed after he bravely ran away, losing the Hungarian revolution against the Hapsburgs in 1849.
It was supposedly called the "Republic Along the Danube" or what, and would have included many of the ethnic groups from the Hapsburg empire, but in a federal republic.
Funfact, the leader of the Volga German ASSR was later on the mayor of West-Berlin
after reading the comments a bit: the makers missed so many Countrys or proposals outside of the 20th. Century and you could some layers further down if one would include the 19. Century or Africa.
Or with that level make an Iceberg of German Kleinstaaterei ... well, if anyone had done it already
Jaxa, Lanfang, independent Vermont, and Westralia would be great additions!
Indeed! I haven't heard of Lanfang before, but I know Jaxa (a Polish-ruled state near China), the Vermont Republic (Vermont as an independent country from 1777 to 1791), and Westralia (Western Australia secession proposal) are quite interesting!
out of this whole thing,
layer 1: all knew
layer 2: all knew
layer 3: all knew
layer 4: 3 unknown
layer 5: 7 unknown
layer 6: 3 unknown
i spend too much time on wikipedia
14:12 OK now I'm actually interested. wtf??
Layer 5: Tell me you play Kaiserreich and TNO without telling me you play Kaiserreich and TNO
Hi Tiger what's up? Could you include the Monarchy of the North, it was a short lived state in the North of Portugal who, beetween January to Febuary of 1919, restoured the Portuguese Monarchy and had Paiva Couceiro as the president of the King's provisional government but it didn't had King Manuel II's permission, as he didn't want the Monarchy to be restoured by force. Great video btw😁🤗
Sikkim is the "host nation" in some multiplayer Victoria II games. You should make your own historical country iceberg!
About the intermarium, it's idea got sortof revived and turned into the now present Three Seas Initiative.
It doesn't do much, but it does, in fact, exist.
What about Prekmurje. We also had a country. For about a day.
How did the Soviets win the American Revolution in 1398?
The Bavarian Soviet Republic deserves a longer description! They were a mix of "Reds," including anarchists and Surrealists. (Keep in mind Anarchists were a major force in Petrograd in the overthrow of the Kerensky government and in the Red Terror, before the Bolsheviks wiped them out.) Dr. Franz Lipp was their foreign minister. He had also been a guest at several insane asylums, and was a Surrealist. When someone of this artistic movement enters real-world politics, things get interesting.
As the official in charge of foreign policy, Franz Lipp sent telegrams to various world leaders which have since gone down in history: He complained to both Lenin in Soviet Russia and to Pope Benedict XV that he had lost the key to the ministry's toilet. The same diplomatic note said of Gustav Noske, perhaps the leading figure in the Social Democratic Party (whom Communists and Anarchists both hated), denouncing Noske's "furry gorilla hands dripping in blood." (Good name for a Death Metal band.) He tried to broker a separate peace with France, avoiding punishments that would fall on the rest of Germany. And he kept trying to declare war on Switzerland.
Dr. Lipp owed his position to the strength of Bavaria's "Schwarze Scharen," the anarchist black brigades. They are the direct ancestor of today's Antifa movements, and mark the one time Anarcho-Communists actually came to power. Portland's "Rose City Antifa" are the most prominent of today's Anarcho-Communists, but Antifa groups are active across Western Europe and North America, and get the kid gloves treatment from the news media, which prettifies their violence, arson, and looting. I guess there was actually a second black brigade republic -- the short-lived Capital Hill Occupied Zone (CHOP) which held six blocks of Seattle for most of June 2020.
People's Bavaria and Carnaro Regency have that ,,red-floodish vibe" of state run by surreal/modernist artists, and I find it very cool tbh, it's a great inspiration for alt-history scenarios
2017 called they want your whining about anteefuh back
@@menschman98 He is right though
My grandpa used to tell me stories about the "Saar Protectorate", we actually had our own constitution, flag, anthem and money... Btw the anthem survived, some orchestras still play it from time to time.
Him: We will go through this layer relatively quickly.
Also him: *proceeds to talk about layer 5 for more than half of the video*
Therapist: "Bavaro-Austro-Hungary doesn't exist. It can't hurt you"
9:08
Can someone please send some actual info about Portoia? I can’t find absolutely nothing
if you ever do a video on another iceberg like this i highly recommend u/NizamNizamNizam's Historical States iceberg, it's a lot like what you described with more pre-modern states and such
ay thanks
There is a book called an atlas of countries that dont exist by Nick Middleton . It has some really obscure stuff
There should have been a lot more States in the iceberg: Tungning, Tartessos, Trebizond, the Indo-Greek kingdoms, Moresnet, Soissons...
14:11 Oh come on. That's the one I was most interested in. I thought this might be something legitimate. ^^'
I actually already knew about the Volga German ASSR (my great grandpa was a Volga German), I think that's the first time I knew about something at the bottom of the iceberg
Pfp checks out
A little strange how the Khmer Rouge wasn’t even mentioned
I live in the area where the proposed state ofJeffersonn is and many still want recognition, almost every county in the proposed state has already voted on the matter and an overwhelming majority to form the new state is present.
6:48 now that's some really good pronunciation
As a Brit, I think it would be interesting to see what an Imperial Federation or Franco-British Union would look like today. Perhaps the British Empire would still be around to this day or Britain and France would be a single united nation 🇬🇧🇲🇫
There actually was an autonomous Finnish soviet republic but it was dissolved after a few years
In the version I heard of the man from Taured, the supposed country was inbetween France and Spain, but wasn't Andorra
You overlooked the smaller breakaway Ukrainian states from Austria-Hungary again by saying "The Ukrainian portion declared independence as the West Ukrainian Republic".
Should also be noted "The Republic of German Austria" existed specifically to be annexed by Germany before it was forbidden in the Treaty of St. Germain en Laye.
I'm 100% sure the Freikorps would have invaded Bavaria harsh reign or no. It's weird to say there's a causal relationship between the two.
Starting at 7:20 you include the start of a different take.
Should be noted that the Burgundy being addressed in the Order State of Burgundy and "Medieval Burgundy was more German" points is not the actual region of Burgundy (which was definitely not "more German") but of a larger historical entity, the Duchy of Burgundy, which resembled the northern part of Lotharingia in domain.
Nation is a term that can be interchangeable with "country" in modern common parlance, but it's still extremely weird to apply it to medieval feudal realms.
i know one which i can guarantee noone in the comments knows about. the majority austrian german free city of pressburg todays bratislava wanted to become a free city like danzig and they declared independence lasting from november 1918 to january 1919 it doesnt even have its own wikipedia page and it only has a few mentions on wikipedia.
This is very good, but I think It would hace bien nice if you mentioned the republica of baja California and Sonora established by William Walker's expedition but was later defeated by the mexican army
Nice work still, lovely video!
He didnt create the iceberg, it was made by a reddit user he mentioned
I admire Sikkim being so tough surviving throughout the years
Indeed! 1642 to 1975 is quite a long time, especially for a small country located between several larger countries, like Nepal, China, and India! The Emperor implied that Nepal wanted to control Sikkim, while China and India seem like the sort of countries that (historically) would have wanted to control more land; yet, Sikkim was only annexed by India less than 50 years ago!
did not mention the bottle neck free state, saddest moment of my life
I wonder if the “Soviet Finnish Client State” entry may also have been referring to the so-called “Finnish Democratic Republic” that was set up in Soviet territories of Ladoga and Karelia. It’s head of state was Otto Wille Kuussinen, but there isn’t a lot of info on it other than that it probably was designed to facilitate the integration of Finland into the Soviet Union and ended up being fairly short-lived.
I’m sorry but saying Sikkim in 1975 “agreed to become an Indian state” is… quite something.
The Indian army invaded Sikkim, imprisoned the King and massacred the royal guard, then stages a referendum (reportedly bussing in thousands of Indians from neighbouring West Bengal to vote), and declared that 98% of Sikkimese had voted to become part of India.
Cool video, if you do make that sequel you talked about, I suggest that proto-ancap territory that was in Italy during the 1400s or so. Republic of Cospaia, that's the name.
I think this iceburg was quite disappointing because pretty much every country was from the inter war period. I'm sure that's because it reflects the posters interests but it would have been nice to see some other periods.
Kinda sad Guna Yala (weird autonomous region inside panama, you need to show a passport to get in but it’s still in panama) didn’t show up, it’s got an interesting backstory
I love how we never get to see Churchill's plan for Europe.
In your own iceberg you might include
Mustang
Republica de la Boca
Biafra
Casamance
Acre (?)
Yeah! Glad to see your own Iceberg!
so sad Neutral Moresnet doesn't exist anymore, rip the quadpoint
Have you read "a vision of shadows"?
Well 1) Free City of Danzig was created first in 1807 2) there was no ''take over''. Just unification between Nazi Germany and Nazi Danzig. The Danziger did not defend themselves against the Germans, but very active supported them.
I'm surprised that Belize wasn't even an entry since it's still obscure to a lot of people and the majority of people I talked to online haven't heard of us or even know abouy our existence
Intermarium is similar to the plans Erik of pomerania had for a Polish-Lithuanian-Kalmar Union Empire in the 1400s. He had planned to marry his hier to the daughter of the Polish King Władysław II Jagiełło.
Erik was the cousin of Emperor Sigismund and was on really good terms with him, Even planning to join the crusade against the Hussites.
It's an interesting idea, and ofc later, King Sigismund of Poland almost formed a Polish-Lithuanian-swedish union.
The Czechoslovak-Polish confederation was actually debated between the governments-in-exile of the countries during WW2 but ultimately failed because of their different stances on the USSR. Poland was hostile to the Soviet Union while Czechoslovakia had friendly relations with them since 1935.
12:44 Fun fact: The Union State is real (it's an alliance).