Dank Meme elite 2.0 that’s not fair though you are being bias if they are the main factor than Bill Russell is the goat you can’t just exclude him but it doesn’t matter anyways because rings are not the main factor and lebron is the goat
@@rise_never_fall568 did bill and LeBron go thru a harder era then mj plus I’m not saying lebron did not face against a Super team but mj had to go against the Seattle Super so I s and the Jazz plus does lebron have a mentality of a goat ? no if u have the mentality of a goat u don’t get swept
Michael Jordan *sees title: " So that's when I took it personal and came back to the nba. I mean Lebron James is a threat. I'm not saying he isn't a threat. But me being compared to him, i took offense to that."
@@caydenrgarrett I'm a Jordan, Kobe and Lebron fan. But I don't think Jordan's the GOAT. From the fact that Lebron Carried his 2007 worst supporting cast in the finals.. and Jordan never had the chance to do that and kept loosing in the first round play offs until Pippen showed up. It's a proof that Lebron's makes his teammates better
@@donatjonas3504 bruh LeBron did carry his team to the finals , but bother doing some research , LeBron played against shit teams like the Washington Wizards , the new jersey nets , and the only okay team was the old Detroit pistons . The 2000s east was nothing compared to the 80s east . In comparison when Jordan lost in the 1st round and playoffs he lost against the Celtics with 5 hall of famers and the pistons with 4 hall of famers , the only team he lost to in the 1st round which wasn't an all time great team had 2 all stars which was the Milwaukee bucks . And even when pippen came , he took 2-3 years to develop as an all star , Jordan still made it to the eastern conference finals once without an all star in an absolutely loaded east
@@donatjonas3504 lebron needs one good player same with jordan everyone needs something because it's a team sport and the teams jordan faced were at the start of his career and he faced some of the best all time teams and carried against them and when jordan left scottie did bad
@@themambaking8399 absolutely bro!!! the goat debate is absolutely nonsense because the league is still running in terms of all time that means the league is over now and will not run anymore, u dont know in the future if there is someone that better than lebron or mj, the best debate is the greatest of their era, mj is the goat of his era, which is he 90's,and lebron is the greatest also on his era, the 10's
I almost clicked off the video when he said Lebron and MJ eras arent that diffrent . Bruh, mj era are dominat centers while Lbj era is dominant shooters
LeBron has dominated across eras. When LeBron entered the league on 2003 Shaq was the most dominant player in the NBA. LeBron’s success across decades is one reason why he’s the greatest.
@@AMHoops 1993 and 1998 NBA Finals are two of the most watched NBA finals in history.. Jordon was the most famous man on the planet before social media 🙈🙈 it's 2020 and NBA ratings are as low as f*ck, how is that success? Why isn't the 2020 Finals the most watched Finals ever? It's not being bias👁 it's facts go look it up How can you be the G.O.A.T if not many people are even watching your games🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@andilea-mab4199 perhaphs there are more important issues people are dealing with in 2020 than having to watch a finals game ya think? . you sound oblivious to it all and it shows your lack of common sense and awareness . you talk as if you came from another planet and have clue of anything that has transpired in 2020.
Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, Randy Brown, Jason Caffey, Scott Burrel, Jud Buchler, Diki Simpkins all went on to have wonderful careers after MJ....right? Tony Kukoc couldnt do anything as the main guy after they blew up the Bulls. Steve Kerr n Harper were fhe only ones to have success after MJ.
Name 1 player that had success after Lebron? Wade? Bosh? Kyrie? Love? Also this is a far more talented era, slap a player like dame or Kyrie in an earlier era and they are iverson or better. And competitive
Horace Grant conference finals 1995 Magic Championship starter 2001 Lakers Scottie Pippen Top 3 mvp voting 1994 55wins Jordan playing baseball . 2000 arguably the best player on conference finals Blazers Rodman 2 Championships and dpoy several rebounding titles before Jordan Kerr Clutch contributions to 2003 Spurs. Jordan before Pippen 38-44 1-3 first round Injures0-3 first round 40-42 0-3 first round And 2 under .500 Wizards years no playoffs. Obviously Jordan is great , just saying these are facts and the facts definitely imply he had great help.
Lebron is already the greatest player in this generation, but i don't think he's above MJ. People are far too obsessed with statistics, being that numbers don't lie. But being the Greatest of All Time goes far beyond that. Its about the story you tell, how you shaped the world and the sports itself. So for me, Micheal Jordan is the 🐐
Very well said man. Jordan totally changed the game of basketball and everyone back then ALWAYS looked forward to watching him play. Even people who weren’t fans. The hype and excitement around Jordan was insane. I just don’t see that with Lebron. I really like Lebron, but he ain’t no MJ.
The Dallas Mavericks are one of the most underrated champions in NBA History. They had a deep roster with everyone fitting into a role without too much overlap. Plus they had at the least a better coach at the time.
They also like to use JJ Berea name to make it seem like Dallas was some small time team. JJ was small in size, but the team had the most bigs in the game. Like 4 7- footers, 6-11 guys, and 6-4 to 6-10 dudes. Their bench was deep as well. Their interior defense was stellar with Marion and Chandler amongst other bigs. And they had their shooters and one of the greatest floor generals ever. They had no problem breezing through the defending champions lakers, and the deep young monsters of OKC.
The point about Michael Jordan having the benefit of nostalgia is true and old players definitely have the benefit of people remembering their greatness for what it was, but also in his time Michael Jordan brought in record breaking audiences anywhere he went because people wanted to see him play in the present, people that never watched basketball wanted to just see him, Lebron could be argued as the GOAT but in my opinion he just isn't the same or even close to MJ's level of greatness
MJ reached a higher peak during his prime, all Lebron can do now is accumulate stats and accolades to make a case for himself, and even than I still wouldn't put him ahead of Jordan. Fun fact: lebron james had the greatest career of all time and Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time.
@@puruman1890 sure we can give LeBron a lifetime achievement award for being the most consist basketball player of all time, but he is definitely not the goat
@@exwhyzgaming8996 He did in 2015, and as far as when the Warriors got KD, that should have been a more even matchup than it was. LeBron-KD, Kyrie-Steph, Love-Klay. After that you can give the edge to the Warriors but LeBron picked JR, Shumpert, and pretty much the rest of the Cavs team, so I don't see how the matchup was so unfair.
@Cheddaman 06 he always guarded the best player, Jordan never did just like in the finals in 91 manic dropped a triple double in game 1 and the next game Scottie guarded him from 94 feet and they won the next 4 games, also Jordan said himself he wouldn’t have won without pippen, and back then the game wasn’t high scoring like it is now so you would average more because it’s a faster pace and why would mj retire if he just won, if you the greatest why stop because you can’t have the same team, pippen kept competing and mj comes back to the wizards the man retired because he knew he couldn’t keep up with a generation who can’t jump as high as him, basketball is a team sport, so if pippen barely hit 20 points but why don’t you talk about how Scottie always guarded the best player and always averaged the most assists and rebounds AND when mj first retired they lost two less games without him so explain to me if Lebron left a team you think the team would ONLY lose 2 games the next season, Lebron leaves and team is in last place, Lebron is the ultimate teammate and most unselfish superstar that all HOFers would rather play with, mj couldn’t win a game or a serious until pippen arrived, pippen was there for it all and he himself speaks highly of Lebron
"Lebron should not be punished for being in the era that allowed the KD warriors" Dude Lebron started that trend when he teamed up with Wade and Bosh. If you're giving him consolation for having to face the superteam warriors, credit should also be taken away for his rings with Miami.
Lebron wasn’t winning anything with the cavs. And also the two years mj wasn’t with the bulls Scottie was in mvp talk. And in his second 3 peat he had Dennis Rodman.
@@Jay-zb1iq I think many people see a difference between being old and in the twilight of your career deciding to phone it in versus what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did forming a super team in their physical primes. Like imagine if Charles Barkley or Carl Malone joined the Bulls in 1991.
Tbh when will we ever see a career like Mike's again? Retired for 2 years to play baseball but then came back to the NBA and won another 3 peat just incredible.
Your commentaries are so true.... But something i can add is sometimes it is not about hate on lebron, Sometimes it is about jealousy on lebron's achievements.
Also the Bull dynasty was never ended because another team beat them. Bulls management blew the team up because of their own ego. Bulls had at least 1-2 more titles runs in them.
@@AMHoops LeBron is not the goat and will never be the goat. You totally forget that Jordan had the worst scoring support in all of his 6 nba championships and really only had one all star on his team. Lebron had to team up with all stars and recruit all stars in order to win so no.
Typical lebron fanboy. None of these arguments make any sense. You say its a team game yet state why lebron is a better player for individual attributes. And how would lebron scoring the most points in nba history make him the goat when mj as always been 3rd, yet still considered the goat lmao. None of these make him the goat. He played in the easier conference for most of his career, and kept hopping from team to team to make super teams so he can win rings becuz he wasnt clutch like mj. Sooo impressive.
He said rings matter but they aren’t everything that just shows that you barely listened to his argument you just ran to the comments to downplay lebron
@bouchthecollector yeah no loll lebrons better he clutched a 3-1 quarter comeback against the BEST TEAM at the time 3 great shooters splash bros and great defense if mj played against them he would have lost no doubt in my mind there unguardable, that’s how good the warriors were
Just curious, what was so different about this argument? I’m asking because this came across my feed and I clicked on it thinking it would be a different argument but all his points are things I’ve heard before and aren’t really good arguments for LeBron being greater than MJ.
Jordan fans never listen full stop ✋! And I will bet my life on it... a Jordan fan will react to this comment. I guarantee it! Any one who criticizes Michael Jordan are immediately shot down!
If making your teammates better is part of being the GOAT then Tim Duncan should be it because he’s got more rings and made all of his teammates better
@@Arashksanati2028 MJ brought out the best in each player ....the definition of making others around you better. you have been brainwashed by the media into thinking MJ didn' make people around him better...the proof is in the 6 chips.
@@sunnydayz8747 da 6 chips were against ass comp name 10 players in that era that were considered one of the greats. Here is 10 in leBrons era Steph Durant James harden Shaq Kobe Kyrie Klay Thompson Russel Westbrook Chris Paul Giannis Jokic Kawhi Leonard He went against the greatest team of all time multiple times in the finals. I could name more players but I’m not tryin waste time provin shit to you. Also leBrons gonna have 5 rings soon.
Yeah that's what Bronsexuals do. Cause LeBron never had Dawyne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis & even Rajon Rondo who they act like he ain't a great player. Jordan only had Pippen before adding Rodman but no to them LeBron never had help. They make up bitch ass excuses about Jordan not making it out the 1st Round of NBA Playoffs in his first 2 seasons BUT...... Never want to mention Lebron not making the playoffs his 1st two seasons? 🤨 Jordan not counting his Wizards years never left the Bulls to make and join a super team. Jordan build and developed his team. LeBron didn't he left or got rid of them instead of helping them get developed.
I mean if bron ever had that team Jordan had nobody would’ve gotten traded and he would still be on the cavs with 1 star and a lot of good role players.
@@the-ish-1_21 jordans bulls were making the playoffs with atrocious losing records and even made the playoffs when jordan missed most of the season in year 2...he didn't win 50 games until year 4 when they got pippen and grant. Lebron added 18 wins to the worst team in the league at 18 yo out of high school and had them above .500 by year 2...in year 3 he cracked 50 wins and nearly beat the championship contesting pistons taking them 7 games in his first playoff appearance with a lottery team dragging them to the finals in year 4....theres levels to this shit bro, Bron didn't get his pippen and grant or coach so he went formed his own
its goats of era's you see in diffrent generations they have better Devices, trainers, Etc so thats why it's goats of Era's there is gonna be someone who comes to the nba and does something better than lebron
@angel paige. Jordan era was based off of driving in, and mid range shots. If jordan had to go against the 73-9 Warriors. He wouldn't stand a chance. Jordan never had to guard someone like Steph Curry. LeBron carried every team he has been in. MJ never had to go against a 4 all star superteam.
@@a7fanatical687 i believe that the greatest of players would adapt to the change in times. Like how Lebron drives less now, mj or magic would be attempting more 3's today too.
Mj Always beat a Team with 20+ points with 1 All Star in A Team in 6 Championship. Why MJ always won because MJ didnt fought Kevin Durant and Warriors. Even Spurs. Kevin Durant is Avg 35pg in Finals. And Curry Avg 28pg in Finals Too. And Lebron was the only one Carry in his Team. You can take the 2012,2013,2016,2020 as Lebron Carry. Jordan is Selfish Player he wants always to be the Star but not Teammates. His teammates doesnt get credits on winning his Chip. Like Steve Kerr's Game Winner. Lebron always give credits on his Team. He made his Team better with Weak Rosters. Bringing Them Always in 8 years Straight Finals. Making Teammates is Better than Becoming a Selfish Player.
@@satou5633 Ohh you can only imagine how much more pathetic LeBron's fan base is gonna become down the road. It has already come to a point where the general public refer to them as "Bronsexuals" lol.
@@foolishspecialist7479 Not saying GOAT, but he is the most versetaille player ever. Zion is already being called a bust, Lebrons standards at 18 was goat or bust, and zion got a lotta hype, he lived up to ut more than 99% of platers ever
@No userame Or the 2000 Lakers............ Or the 1996 Bulls..... or the Showtime Lakers..... Or the 60's Celtics Superteams are most definetly not a new concept to the NBA
@No userame that's the one team you could argue, but weren't they on the back end of their primes and aside from KG perennial MVP candidates like Wade and LeBron.
@@Umar_Ali797 there's a bit of a difference between those Superteams and the ones today. Celtics were drafted like OKC, Magic and his boys aside from Kareem were drafted. 1996 bulls, who exactly is the superteam? The whole squad? Done mostly through drafts and development and then consistency. With role players here and there shifted. The 2000 Lakers, Kobe was a draft pick and then role players around. Or if you mean with Karl Malone and Payton, they were coming to the end of their careers. Not primetime team ups like LeBron in Miami or Cleveland and kd in GSW and Brooklyn or Kawhi and PG or Russ and Harden.
@@TenzClearsNRG is d Wade a better player than kG pierce Ray Allen and rondo? KD was worse, but LeBron started the I'm the MVP and gonna play with another potential MVP to win a championship.
The fact that you said the league allowed the super team era and omitted the fact that Lebron form his own damn super team in Miami discredits this entire video
@@anom717 east was stacked dude are you out of your mind.. Are you really watching NBA? Hahaha you making me laugh at least Jordan never back down even though the teams were better than his team
@@kemueltabamo4882 still got swept hahaha. Couldn't get past the first round till pippen and Phil got there. LeBron took a team full of uber drivers in 08 to the finals. Jordan never got past the first round when he was the only one on the team. 🤣🤣🤣
@Tom Pickens Yeah true Jordan didn't have to bounce around, they just brought good players to him. If you think Jordan could go from team to team and win 4 rings then be my guest. Thank you next.
Tom Pickens Jordan went to the Finals because he had a hall of fame coach who and a good roster. When Jordan left, the Bulls still almost went to the finals. LeBron takes the worst teams in the league to the Finals. Jordan could never go to Cleveland and bring them a Championship. Who did Jordan ever beat in the Finals???
@@lessgoo3428 bruh I’m not a warriors fan but lets be realistic the warriors would have smoked the bad boy pistons like what are they gonna do play zone defense against a jump shooting team 😂😂
@@windowsthemas5624 they would fucking tear Durant's ankle and they would break Stephen Curry's ✋... Also they were all fricking tall and actually NOT skinny asf like Durant so they could post up and beat the sit out of draymond.. curry can't guard Isaiah as his was very fast while curry is unathletic.. they would not be able to shoot three because they were so much more physical in that era and believe me when others get physical on curry he can't hit a three like in the final minutes of 2016 finals....I ain't about all this but they might happen....
same goes for jordan, he should have beaten the celtics alone, he got swept 2 times, that is unacceptable, see ? I can also say the same thing for the so called *"goat."*
@@dynamic6645 the difference is how you lower the bar for LeBron, by comparing his Finals performances and failures, to Jordan's first and second round failures. It's called CONTEXT, and you LeBron groupies always twist it around. That's the difference. Natural progression, vs failing and deciding to kill competition.
Comparing LBJ and MJ is like comparing apples and oranges. They each have unique strength that can be valuable depending on team composition. LBJ, as Casey says, makes everyone better. So if I was starting a new team where I would be getting a bunch of A, B, C and D players, LBJ would be the natural choice. If I was getting a really good team with a bunch of A and B players, I would choose MJ because (and Casey does not mention this) a superstar cannot turn an A player into a A+ player. If anything, the A player may have to make some sacrifices for the A+ (or A++) superstar. In such case, MJ would be supreme over LBJ because his value is not in making everyone better. Heck, if there was a superteam already with only A players, I may go with Tim Duncan over LBJ and MJ who does not ask any A players to make any sacrifices and sacrifices his own supreme talent to make the team win. So how can you compare them...but compare we must.... What I agree with Casey however, is that when all is said and done, LBJ is the GOAT team player in team sports history.
Lebron's team was made for only him to be successful and jordan's team was made for everyone to successful like what happened to Isaiah thomas and D rose at cavs
Oh MJ doEzNt mAke hIs TeAmMaTes bETter: Scottie Pippen went straight from a D2 college to the NBA and Dennis Rodman was traded for a back up center and was seemingly past his prime. However these guys both became better while playing with MJ while Lebron had to play with established stars in order to win. In addition to that guys like Bosh, Love, and now Kuzma seemed to take steps back when playing with Lebron.
the scary thing is lebron is still so absurdly athletic it's insane. he seem's like he can go strong for another 5 yrs. bron's longevity will be too hard to overlook but i do believe peak for peak that jordan was superior. but yeah it's looking like lebron will have the goat career he may even 3peat if the lakers can aquire some bonafide 3 and D snipers.
@@paccawacca4069 if his body holds up for the next 2 seasons and say the lakers sign a player like joe harris and they avoid injuries i can see them winning the next 2 for sure. but everything has to align.
that's pretty much it. He would solidify himself as having the greatest career of all time if he becomes all time leader in points. Jordan is still the goat (reached higher ceiling during his prime), with less talent
This comment only proves that you not only did not witness that era, but also haven’t done much research about it because your perspective of it is a false narrative pushed by young people on social media.
Coach of the year, Rebound leader, three point contest and three point percentage leader, six man of the year and one of the greatest and underrated Superstars in Pippen = team
Let’s be honest the reason why when Jordan left the Bulls in the 1993 season and they were good still is because they had michael Jordan in years past and picked up where they left off because they were ready because Jordan made them ready they won three championships before he left u don’t think his team would be fine without him
@@brokentxmz9327 yeah who jordan faced in the first round? Larry bird and the gang, bad boy pistons, dont forget about that special cavs team, anddd who lebron faced on the east back then? New jersey nets, wannabe celtics, wannabe piston lol no competition bro
How are "we" biased its just that 6 is better then 4. especially 6- 0 compared to 4-6 lmao. you just don't want to admit that, people say Lebron's competition was harder then Jordan's but most of his competition was at a different conference. the spurs were the hardest team to beat back when Lebron played for miami but they would only face in the finals. Same with the warriors and the broklynn nets as of right now. People say "They need a super team for 36 year old Bron" they dont even play for the same conference if you're assuming that Lakers would make the finals they still need to get past the warriors,clippers and the nuggets. Jordan stayed loyal to Chicago and built the team up getting great players along the way and helping players to become greater. Jordan has more mvps. more rings,more dpoy, more all defensive teams scoring champs steal champs and he would have more accomplishments if jordan didnt retire twice before his final retirement and missed 4-5 seasons in the nba. Lebron is the "self proclaimed" king but Jordan is a god
Love how he talks about context and LeBron played against superteams and acts like Jordan didn't play against the 86 Celtics by himself and put up historic while losing because he was by himself, the hypocrisy is mind blowing. Also making the finals and winning aren't the same and Jordan faced superteams too he just faced them earlier in his career
Thank you! 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers have legit claims to being the greatest teams assembled. Especially MJ's rookie year when his teammates were apparently high as kites all the time.
@@israelmarlo7791 magic finished second in MVP voting, the Lakers were the 5th offense and defense, but yeah no they were old, magic was 32 by the way, the Celtics he didn't beat because injuries ended them but he dropped 63 on them and was dominant but didn't have the help, then the Pistons who beat the Celtics and Lakers were swept by the bulls, and I'm just curious if you're going to use age how do you explain 2014 Bron losing to the big 3 that was collectively around 35 and a young kawhi before he became a superstar. I'm curious. Your double standards and sheer stupidity never cease to astound me.
@@ankhboldcrain9954 I’m not hearing that “he didn’t have help BS” because y’all don’t cut bron slack for the 2 times he took a sorry ass cavs teams to the finals when Jordan couldn’t get the bulls to the finals until he had other hall famers and all stars on his team
@@israelmarlo7791 Firstly most people do give Bron that slack but for the people who don't how many Bron fans say 1-9 and don't use any context for that. But to go further I didn't bring up Bron because this entire video was talking about Bron facing superteams and his lack of help whereas there was no mention of MJ facing superteams without help. Oh and let's not forget that Bron played in the weakest confrences in modern nba history which was the East before and after th 08 Celtics. Bron has at least two finals appearances where the only reason he made it to the finals is because the eastern conference had no contenders whereas MJ never had that luxury and played in one of the toughest conferences in nba history and faced tough finals competition. So please use context next time like I have and this discussion would go much better for you. Also MJ only played with one other all star in his career, Bron played with 7 I believe, so don't bring up help because it does not help your side at all.
He built a school in Akron and started them on full scholarships for the kids to have a better future (+) gave each a free bike to avoid gangs and bullies. That's what makes him a GOAT.
You mean that school that wasn't built and is funded by LeBron's own money? LeBron didn't even come up with the idea for the school. If anything that has Nike's stench all over it. The school just have LeBron's name on it.
@@vineshpillai3472 Jordan never had a 2011NBA finals . Where LeBron choked for the whole series . Scored 27 the previous scored 17.4 vs a team that was inferior to his . LeBron can Never be the GOAT because of this .
To your #1 Reason: Jordan turned his team into warriors, that's why they were still capable after he left. Pippen, Jackson, and Kerr were nobodies and may have amounted to nothing without Jordan. He led like a drill sergeant, by rough love, example and spirit. He picked up the slack when Rodman skipped games to party in las vegas, when Pippen had a migraine/back pain/missed free throws in a key playoff game, when Jackson had no plan to win except 'pass the ball to Jordan'.
Uhhh how can u give LeBron an excuse for losing in finals due to his lack of help but then go on to knock mj for losing before the finals for the same reason because nthe type of teams LeBron was facing in finals mj was facing in the first few rounds. Also the making teammates better jordan did he averaged 8 assists per game during the 1990 season but then they ran the triangle offend and as a result hsi assist number went down. Also u say LeBron makes his teammates better but I don't agree it isn't a coincidence that a lot of his teammates on the 2018 Cavs that everyone makes fun of suddenly played better on different teams. Also theirs a good chance jordan would have more rings or mvps if he didn't retire the first time and early the second time and jordan didn't have the tools LeBron did to take care of his body like LeBron.
Obviously he twisting things to make Lebron seem better It is a lot harder to win with a bumteam and make them all great dynasty no one has ever done that The things Lebron started will become tradition and superstars will win with multiple teams Kawhi already did it TWICE its always easy to LEAVE and go to great players and organisations Lebron took the easy way out all the time and can only win if he leaves his team
The only reason why LBJ's teams became worse is because they lost more than just Lebron, MJ's teams actually gained. So this whole argument of Lebron's teams being way worse w/o him, shouldn't be an argument. I'm still not able to admit that Lebron's the GOAT, no matter what my pfp says. And who cares about team mates, if u win u win.
True. MJ's got 6 rings. Lebron's only got 4. But MJ's two "threepeats" were with the same team & coach. Lebron's were with 3 different teams. Lebron's also had double digit Finals appearances now whereas MJ only went the 6 times; he won every time he did, but one can't forget you've gotta win to even get there like Lebron's done sooooo many times-and honestly with some teams definitely worse than what MJ had that it WAS Lebron that powered them to the Finals. MJ was with the Bulls all the way back in 1984 too; he didn't make it to the Finals until 1991! Then those Bulls DOMINATED the NBA, but it still took an extremely talented supporting cast and Phil Jackson's chemistry to get Jordan his rings. Lebron on the other hand, goes to a team and takes them to the Finals.
Ted S I understand that getting to the finals 10 times is impressive but anyone that’s in that position wouldn’t be happy about being a finalist . Chuck himself said that his finals loss to MJ was a very painful one to take . In history you only remember the winners as well never the losers
Jordan shoulda gone to Spurs after Bulls run to add to his rings. Jordan was the better scorer and defender. When MJ was switched to PG in 1988, he had all those triple doubles as the "playmaker" like Lebron.
@@jahleelx9270 says who? He had 7 games in a row, 10 in 11 games, and 15 in only 21 games when his coach asked him to run the PG. That was more triple doubles than anyone that year...n he did it in only 21 games!
@@jahleelx9270 he wasnt asked to be the playmaker the following year cuz Phil Jackson implemented the triangle. If Lebron played in the Triangle he wouldn't be so ball dominant meaning he wouldnt be who he is. If asked to, Jordan could have done what Luka is now doing while being a better scorer.
Did you see when jimmy butler could barely walk after game 5. And that was 2020. The man had to go back out and play another game, everyone else did too
@@gogeyeryuzune9095 I personally think it's about the same level maybe actually tilted more towards this era because the game today is actually really physically taxing and asks a lot from players to the point where we're now asking if there should be shorter seasons since years before covid. Also to add to that this era is just more talented top to bottom, you're not playing random guys who are coming off the bench anymore, or some unknown point guard. The entire roster in overall talent is much greater in this era, anybody on almost any team even the struggling cavs, like collin sexton can be a bucket out of no where, if you tell me he went and scored 30 and like took over a game on some random night no one would be surprised other then like hey collin sexton is good guys. Back then that wasnt a thing, the whole league is changed now, guys are going everywhere and trying to do something, make brands, it's the social media era. Lamelo ball is about to be in the league with the biggest shoe deal ever with puma and already being famous coming into the league, you have mickey williams on the come up being famous with his own show for Christ's sake. It's exactly why It's hard to compare generations like this because it's hard to get the full context of everything. Lebron james is no doubt the best of this era but the thing is, the man is still writing his story, is the most durable athlete in history and can probably still be a good role player into his late 40's of he wanted to. Rn he's set up to be a contender for the next 3 years minimum, a prime ad wants to play there for a lil while, lakers have cap space and trade assets. So let's all calm down and enjoy greatness and look over the tale when the insane man is finally out the league at age 50 at the rate he's going.
Ummm... the 2014 spurs had a very old Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker who all retired 2 years later and Lebron got locked up by a 21 year old Kawhi who played bench a lot of the season smh talking about 4 HOFers and the reason why Jordan didn’t make it to the finals without Pippen was cuz he had no other all stars and had to go up against the pistons who were juggernauts who played dirty and had 4 all stars while Lebron won in a very poor east. Case Closed about this GOAT debate
I don’t even feel like addressing all of this but, locked up! Locked up!!!? Locked up!!!! Dude. 28 Points 8 dimes 6 boards on 58 percent shooting for the series is what lebron put up against the spurs. Honestly don’t play yourself like that. Don’t even try to say kawhi locked lebron up. I was rooting for the spurs that series, lebron and his teams have never been my favorite team, but dude be objective and fair! Come on!! Locked up? WhT the FUCK!? If a player shooting nearly 60 percent while scoring close to 30 a game and dishing over 8 dimes a game depsite the rest of his team being defended exceptionally well is being “locked up” well then idk what to say. Jordan NEVER was said to be locked up when he put up those numenrs in a series, win or loose. Come on
@LaCosa x U do know he played the trailblazers, the Nuggets, and the rockets in the west with AD. Don’t even try to say this is the same strong west we are used to
Karl Malone, John Stockton, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Shaquille O’Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, David Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo, Dennis Rodman, Grant Hill, Shawn Kemp. These are just some of the superstars that mj had to go against that Lebron didn’t have to. Try to come up with a list this long for lebron. Good Luck.
Stop judging that team by their seed. They were the best team in the east. They beat the #1 seed and the favorites to win the championship. They beat the #3 seed. They were the best team. Before you pull out the giannis card. They dominated the bucks even when he played. The bucks actually won a game without him. So that team was legit stop trying to diminish Lebron’s greatness
Once again the bubble comes into play. No home court advantage, so that definitely helped some lower seeds. Its a little harder to actually travel and then play in hostile territory.
I thought the same thing... sorry BIAS isn't a valid reason. Look at the Jalen Rose ESPN video talking to Jacoby where they break down 5 key areas and Jordan completely dominates them.
Yeah, but He wouldn't find plumbers to three peat in the finals. Jorbum never win against a team that had more all stars than his. In fact, if you make your top 10, he faced the least MVPs and HOFs. Not everyone will get to play an expansion era with barely 2 superstars in one team to face in the finals
@@federalfreemoneylackofrese9937 so lebrons the greatest of all time because he loses to good competion instead of beating them? How can he be the greatest of all time when he ain't even the best in his era?
Case for Jordan: Offense: Wade/Bosh, Irving, AD, they are the help Lebron had winning his championships and I think they are all more dominant than Pippen who was the second best player behind Jordan. Defense: Jordan didn't just win because his team mates played dominant defense (Tristan Thompson/Dellavedova/Irving, AD and basically the whole Lakers lineup), he won because of his own defense. He led the team defensively and dominated both ends. Rings: Jordan would have probably won 2-3 more rings had he been available - 2 after the first threepeat, and another had the Bulls head office not dismantled the team. Opponents: One of Lebrons titles is against a banged up Miami Heat with Jimmy Butler as their #1 player...??? I mean I love Jimmy Butler but he's no Reggie Miller or Malone/Stockton or Stark/Ewing or Charles Barkley. I think once you make those considerations James now has 3 meaningful championships not 4 while Jordan has 6. And I'll throw in there Jordan's ridiculous statistics as a Wizard at age 38-39 years of age... I mean the guy had multiple 40+ point games and even a 51 point game!!! And I can't help throwing in the Flu game because well that's just the sort of player he was, willing his team to victory with sheer determination not just by being the most skillfully dominant player on court. I'll give you a like anyway Casey because I love your videos but I can't agree with you on this one!
JORDAN HAS 6 meaningful championships????!??! PLEASE, his team was always the overwhelming favorite to win, while Lebron won two while being the underdog. Your take is pathetic. This league is far more talented than Jordan’s era. You have not even top 20 players scoring 50-60 points like Jamal Murray Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker. It’s laughable how you Jordan stans make ridiculous takes
@@Matt-cl7ee Jordan's team was favourite to win because of him. Pippen and Rodman were his best teammates the second time around and when pippen was on his own he got knocked out while wade won a fmvp b4 bron joined forces with him.
@@rodsonvale5933 pippen joined in 1987, up till 1987 jordan had played 3 years in the league. each of those three years he lead a weak bulls team to the playoffs, but with no help im not surprised he didnt make it out the first round any of those years with the 2nd and 3rd years against one of the greatest celtics teams ever and in the second year coming off the back of an ankle injury. however lebron didnt make the playoffs in any of his first two years and only beat a relatively weak wizards team in his 3rd...
@@Tomgpx-kr2zw lol so that means every one needs a back up, jordan needs back up bron needs back ups with superteams around him so they actually do the same thing just different scenarios,
And I forgot 2018 line up I know he have kevin love but what love did in that year ????? Nothing so it was a one man domination in the east that time idc if he lost the finals but what he did in 2007 and 2018 is one of the most impressive thing ive ever seen im not a lbj fan dont get me wrong but what lbj did is much impressive than jordan Plus jordan admits he cant be a GOAT bcoz of the level of succes by teaming up with pippen
Lebron needed to win more rings in the SAME TIMEFRAME Jordan had. That ship has sailed. But that is NOT the only clear reason Jordan is the GOAT and Lebron is not
I love how most of these comments are defending Jordan calling him the goat are probably kids and younger adults who have not only never seen him play live but probably just go off of what their parents told them or all the nostalgia surrounding Jordan , people be letting that nostalgia cloud there judgement smh
@@kawaihui3922 yeah ok man Lol , like people are really just gonna forget a guy who’s gonna go down as the all time leading scorer , most final appearances, and has been dominant as soon as he joined the league … yeah ok
@@kawaihui3922 yeah cause we all forgot about bill russel , wilt chamberlain, kareem Abdul jabbar , doctor J who literally played in the 60’s ?? Yeah whatever man your probably not even an nba fan
I can’t believe it congrats lakers fans that are actually loyal and the lakers players
Yeah I’m ecstatic right now
Ima lakers fan but been a lebron fan since 2011
Combatant Awakening Same...I said it when the season started and stuck with it the whole season
Faxxx been here since Kobe’s last title been rough
ShaMulaaa your not a laker fan your a LeBron d rider
AM hoops: Rings aren’t everything
Also am hoops: now that lebron won another ring he’s the goat
they arent everything...
@@dgurealm4810 but they are the main factor to be tune goat
@@dgurealm4810 not talking abt bill rus
Dank Meme elite 2.0 that’s not fair though you are being bias if they are the main factor than Bill Russell is the goat you can’t just exclude him but it doesn’t matter anyways because rings are not the main factor and lebron is the goat
@@rise_never_fall568 did bill and LeBron go thru a harder era then mj plus I’m not saying lebron did not face against a Super team but mj had to go against the Seattle Super so I s and the Jazz plus does lebron have a mentality of a goat ? no if u have the mentality of a goat u don’t get swept
How is a contradictory statement like “the greatest of all time… in this era” considered to be smart?
Bronsexuals are the worst thing to happen to basketball
I was watching game 3 and dude literally airballed a layup
😆🤣
Who?
So what
Michael Jordan *sees title: " So that's when I took it personal and came back to the nba. I mean Lebron James is a threat. I'm not saying he isn't a threat. But me being compared to him, i took offense to that."
😂😂😂 the scrub jordan wishes he was nearly as good as Lebron
@@godamgg4478 scrub who you calling scrub Jordan is the GOAT not Bron
@@caydenrgarrett I'm a Jordan, Kobe and Lebron fan. But I don't think Jordan's the GOAT. From the fact that Lebron Carried his 2007 worst supporting cast in the finals.. and Jordan never had the chance to do that and kept loosing in the first round play offs until Pippen showed up. It's a proof that Lebron's makes his teammates better
@@donatjonas3504 bruh
LeBron did carry his team to the finals , but bother doing some research , LeBron played against shit teams like the Washington Wizards , the new jersey nets , and the only okay team was the old Detroit pistons . The 2000s east was nothing compared to the 80s east . In comparison when Jordan lost in the 1st round and playoffs he lost against the Celtics with 5 hall of famers and the pistons with 4 hall of famers , the only team he lost to in the 1st round which wasn't an all time great team had 2 all stars which was the Milwaukee bucks . And even when pippen came , he took 2-3 years to develop as an all star , Jordan still made it to the eastern conference finals once without an all star in an absolutely loaded east
@@donatjonas3504 lebron needs one good player same with jordan everyone needs something because it's a team sport and the teams jordan faced were at the start of his career and he faced some of the best all time teams and carried against them and when jordan left scottie did bad
GOAT per era? Do they even understand “of all time”? 🤣 . Just call it GOTE then - Greatest Of This Era.
a gote
Very true there are not goats of an entire timespan but there are goats of a decade.
Gore😂
@@themambaking8399 absolutely bro!!! the goat debate is absolutely nonsense because the league is still running in terms of all time that means the league is over now and will not run anymore, u dont know in the future if there is someone that better than lebron or mj, the best debate is the greatest of their era, mj is the goat of his era, which is he 90's,and lebron is the greatest also on his era, the 10's
MJ about to put out The Last Dance: The Directors Cut now
lol and 3 extra episodes with the Wizards
He should lol because bronsexuals still don't get it
lmao it'd be called Scottie's Cut
@@aaronwise6543 You kinda salty still?
Put mj's teammate to lebron see how many ring he might have. Maybe lebron is chillin with bill russell?
I almost clicked off the video when he said Lebron and MJ eras arent that diffrent . Bruh, mj era are dominat centers while Lbj era is dominant shooters
LeBron has dominated across eras. When LeBron entered the league on 2003 Shaq was the most dominant player in the NBA. LeBron’s success across decades is one reason why he’s the greatest.
@@AMHoops Yeah i know ! After all , i almost clicked off , Almost
@@AMHoops 1993 and 1998 NBA Finals are two of the most watched NBA finals in history.. Jordon was the most famous man on the planet before social media 🙈🙈 it's 2020 and NBA ratings are as low as f*ck, how is that success? Why isn't the 2020 Finals the most watched Finals ever? It's not being bias👁 it's facts go look it up
How can you be the G.O.A.T if not many people are even watching your games🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@andilea-mab4199fax
@@andilea-mab4199 perhaphs there are more important issues people are dealing with in 2020 than having to watch a finals game ya think? . you sound oblivious to it all and it shows your lack of common sense and awareness . you talk as if you came from another planet and have clue of anything that has transpired in 2020.
Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, Randy Brown, Jason Caffey, Scott Burrel, Jud Buchler, Diki Simpkins all went on to have wonderful careers after MJ....right? Tony Kukoc couldnt do anything as the main guy after they blew up the Bulls. Steve Kerr n Harper were fhe only ones to have success after MJ.
Name 1 player that had success after Lebron? Wade? Bosh? Kyrie? Love?
Also this is a far more talented era, slap a player like dame or Kyrie in an earlier era and they are iverson or better. And competitive
Horace Grant
conference finals 1995 Magic
Championship starter 2001 Lakers
Scottie Pippen
Top 3 mvp voting 1994 55wins Jordan playing baseball .
2000 arguably the best player on conference finals Blazers
Rodman
2 Championships and dpoy several rebounding titles before Jordan
Kerr
Clutch contributions to 2003 Spurs.
Jordan before Pippen
38-44 1-3 first round
Injures0-3 first round
40-42 0-3 first round
And 2 under .500 Wizards years no playoffs.
Obviously Jordan is great , just saying these are facts and the facts definitely imply he had great help.
Lebron is already the greatest player in this generation, but i don't think he's above MJ. People are far too obsessed with statistics, being that numbers don't lie. But being the Greatest of All Time goes far beyond that. Its about the story you tell, how you shaped the world and the sports itself. So for me, Micheal Jordan is the 🐐
Very well said man. Jordan totally changed the game of basketball and everyone back then ALWAYS looked forward to watching him play. Even people who weren’t fans. The hype and excitement around Jordan was insane. I just don’t see that with Lebron. I really like Lebron, but he ain’t no MJ.
Okay bonnet
This comment needs more attention cause this is really well said.
Yes man well said but idk this yt creator is kinda dumb
Perfect
The Dallas Mavericks are one of the most underrated champions in NBA History.
They had a deep roster with everyone fitting into a role without too much overlap.
Plus they had at the least a better coach at the time.
Yet Miami Was the heavy Favored To Win The Series.......
Yet Miami Was the heavy Favored To Win The Series.......
Yea, people like to pretend Dallas was a bad team to discredit Lebron.
They also like to use JJ Berea name to make it seem like Dallas was some small time team. JJ was small in size, but the team had the most bigs in the game. Like 4 7- footers, 6-11 guys, and 6-4 to 6-10 dudes. Their bench was deep as well. Their interior defense was stellar with Marion and Chandler amongst other bigs. And they had their shooters and one of the greatest floor generals ever. They had no problem breezing through the defending champions lakers, and the deep young monsters of OKC.
Dallas also swept the defending champs (Lakers) that year and followed it up by beating the KD/Russ/Harden OKC.
Sooo, what grade player did bron turn kuzma into ? Last time I checked buddy only dropped 2 points in game 6 and 7 in game 5😂
kuzma playing twice as good in dc without bron 👀
The point about Michael Jordan having the benefit of nostalgia is true and old players definitely have the benefit of people remembering their greatness for what it was, but also in his time Michael Jordan brought in record breaking audiences anywhere he went because people wanted to see him play in the present, people that never watched basketball wanted to just see him, Lebron could be argued as the GOAT but in my opinion he just isn't the same or even close to MJ's level of greatness
also remember lebron has recency bias, which he didnt mention at all
MJ reached a higher peak during his prime, all Lebron can do now is accumulate stats and accolades to make a case for himself, and even than I still wouldn't put him ahead of Jordan.
Fun fact: lebron james had the greatest career of all time and Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time.
@@kjones4938 this is actually what im thinking about
@@kjones4938 no he's not max Kellerman
@@puruman1890 sure we can give LeBron a lifetime achievement award for being the most consist basketball player of all time, but he is definitely not the goat
LeBron = Thanos. Warriors had to assemble the avengers
@nabil chowdhury yes he did in 2016
@nabil chowdhury Steph never beat LeBron without Kelly Olynyk or another top 3 player in the League
@@exwhyzgaming8996 He did in 2015, and as far as when the Warriors got KD, that should have been a more even matchup than it was. LeBron-KD, Kyrie-Steph, Love-Klay. After that you can give the edge to the Warriors but LeBron picked JR, Shumpert, and pretty much the rest of the Cavs team, so I don't see how the matchup was so unfair.
It’s always Lebron vs a team never the other way around
@Cheddaman 06 he always guarded the best player, Jordan never did just like in the finals in 91 manic dropped a triple double in game 1 and the next game Scottie guarded him from 94 feet and they won the next 4 games, also Jordan said himself he wouldn’t have won without pippen, and back then the game wasn’t high scoring like it is now so you would average more because it’s a faster pace and why would mj retire if he just won, if you the greatest why stop because you can’t have the same team, pippen kept competing and mj comes back to the wizards the man retired because he knew he couldn’t keep up with a generation who can’t jump as high as him, basketball is a team sport, so if pippen barely hit 20 points but why don’t you talk about how Scottie always guarded the best player and always averaged the most assists and rebounds AND when mj first retired they lost two less games without him so explain to me if Lebron left a team you think the team would ONLY lose 2 games the next season, Lebron leaves and team is in last place, Lebron is the ultimate teammate and most unselfish superstar that all HOFers would rather play with, mj couldn’t win a game or a serious until pippen arrived, pippen was there for it all and he himself speaks highly of Lebron
"Lebron should not be punished for being in the era that allowed the KD warriors"
Dude Lebron started that trend when he teamed up with Wade and Bosh. If you're giving him consolation for having to face the superteam warriors, credit should also be taken away for his rings with Miami.
Lebron wasn’t winning anything with the cavs. And also the two years mj wasn’t with the bulls Scottie was in mvp talk. And in his second 3 peat he had Dennis Rodman.
Bro not for nothing Miami literally went against a super team every year besides Dallas
False. Boston teamed up and inspired Lebron to take it up to eleven.
boston started it first what do you mean.
@@Jay-zb1iq I think many people see a difference between being old and in the twilight of your career deciding to phone it in versus what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did forming a super team in their physical primes. Like imagine if Charles Barkley or Carl Malone joined the Bulls in 1991.
Tbh when will we ever see a career like Mike's again? Retired for 2 years to play baseball but then came back to the NBA and won another 3 peat just incredible.
Idk when we’ll ever see one like Kareem’s or Bill Russell’s again. Especially Bill Russell
That too. But it feels like they keep wanting to forget the past or some shit.
Also many other great players too.
0:05
these gotta be the calmest faces i have ever seen by NBA players during a game
Your commentaries are so true.... But something i can add is sometimes it is not about hate on lebron, Sometimes it is about jealousy on lebron's achievements.
You seemed to have forgotten that Jordon is not only 6/6 in finals but also has TWO of the five three-peat in NBA history.
Also the Bull dynasty was never ended because another team beat them. Bulls management blew the team up because of their own ego. Bulls had at least 1-2 more titles runs in them.
@Kamarrious Bell We going to ignore 4 of those times he lost to the eventual nba champion. Also two of the top 10 greatest teams in nba history.
The Celtics 8 peated
U clearly didn’t watch the video
LBJ is way better in all aspects and stats..mj demanding for the ball and LBJ looking to pass the ball to open team..BASIC!
Hey Casey, I was just recommended your "3 REASONS the Celtics will CRUSH the Heat" video
RUclips just knows what to recommend :)
Hahaha 😆😆😆
@@AMHoops can I debate you.
@@desertranger403 u can am hoops cant control u
The celtics??,
@@AMHoops LeBron is not the goat and will never be the goat. You totally forget that Jordan had the worst scoring support in all of his 6 nba championships and really only had one all star on his team. Lebron had to team up with all stars and recruit all stars in order to win so no.
“Now that he has another ring he’s the goat” “rings aren’t everything”
Lmao exactly
What a contradiction.
Typical lebron fanboy. None of these arguments make any sense. You say its a team game yet state why lebron is a better player for individual attributes. And how would lebron scoring the most points in nba history make him the goat when mj as always been 3rd, yet still considered the goat lmao. None of these make him the goat. He played in the easier conference for most of his career, and kept hopping from team to team to make super teams so he can win rings becuz he wasnt clutch like mj. Sooo impressive.
He said rings matter but they aren’t everything that just shows that you barely listened to his argument you just ran to the comments to downplay lebron
@@johntitshiner8245 another dumb that didnt watch the video
"he's the G.O.A.T. of this era" is just terrible semantics. The "best" of this era has nothing to do with the greatest of all time...
@bouchthecollector you mad lebrons better dawg?
@bouchthecollector he is the goat
@bouchthecollector mj is 2nd
@bouchthecollector yeah no loll lebrons better he clutched a 3-1 quarter comeback against the BEST TEAM at the time 3 great shooters splash bros and great defense if mj played against them he would have lost no doubt in my mind there unguardable, that’s how good the warriors were
Despite that this guy's making a point, too bad that Jordan fans would never listen to this argument from the fact that it's about Lebron James.
Just curious, what was so different about this argument? I’m asking because this came across my feed and I clicked on it thinking it would be a different argument but all his points are things I’ve heard before and aren’t really good arguments for LeBron being greater than MJ.
Jordan fans never listen full stop ✋! And I will bet my life on it... a Jordan fan will react to this comment. I guarantee it! Any one who criticizes Michael Jordan are immediately shot down!
@@allthingsUtube anyone critical of LeBron gets called a hater
@@m.j.w.2876 i think lebrons the goat but he certainly has flaws. Its unfair criticism that makes me mad.
@Tsukuyomi Uchiha chats even ppl in the media overly criticize MJ
If making your teammates better is part of being the GOAT then Tim Duncan should be it because he’s got more rings and made all of his teammates better
key word PART, it’s not all about that
@@Arashksanati2028 MJ did make his teammates better the notion he didnt is dumb lol
@@sunnydayz8747 no he didn’t, did his teammates numbers improve when he played wit him
@@Arashksanati2028 MJ brought out the best in each player ....the definition of making others around you better.
you have been brainwashed by the media into thinking MJ didn' make people around him better...the proof is in the 6 chips.
@@sunnydayz8747 da 6 chips were against ass comp name 10 players in that era that were considered one of the greats.
Here is 10 in leBrons era
Steph
Durant
James harden
Shaq
Kobe
Kyrie
Klay Thompson
Russel Westbrook
Chris Paul
Giannis
Jokic
Kawhi Leonard
He went against the greatest team of all time multiple times in the finals. I could name more players but I’m not tryin waste time provin shit to you. Also leBrons gonna have 5 rings soon.
i did'nt know that eleven became an youtube nba analist
Lol
I stopped watching when he said, LBJ don't have that help 💀
In 2014 Wade was putting up like 18 a game 💀💀
He actually didn't had that much of help
Yeah that's what Bronsexuals do. Cause LeBron never had Dawyne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis & even Rajon Rondo who they act like he ain't a great player. Jordan only had Pippen before adding Rodman but no to them LeBron never had help. They make up bitch ass excuses about Jordan not making it out the 1st Round of NBA Playoffs in his first 2 seasons BUT...... Never want to mention Lebron not making the playoffs his 1st two seasons? 🤨 Jordan not counting his Wizards years never left the Bulls to make and join a super team. Jordan build and developed his team. LeBron didn't he left or got rid of them instead of helping them get developed.
I mean if bron ever had that team Jordan had nobody would’ve gotten traded and he would still be on the cavs with 1 star and a lot of good role players.
@@the-ish-1_21 jordans bulls were making the playoffs with atrocious losing records and even made the playoffs when jordan missed most of the season in year 2...he didn't win 50 games until year 4 when they got pippen and grant. Lebron added 18 wins to the worst team in the league at 18 yo out of high school and had them above .500 by year 2...in year 3 he cracked 50 wins and nearly beat the championship contesting pistons taking them 7 games in his first playoff appearance with a lottery team dragging them to the finals in year 4....theres levels to this shit bro, Bron didn't get his pippen and grant or coach so he went formed his own
"You gotta wait till the end to comment"
HA jokes on you, i can skip.
hahaha, jkjk good vid.
Hahaha
its goats of era's you see in diffrent generations they have better Devices, trainers, Etc so thats why it's goats of Era's there is gonna be someone who comes to the nba and does something better than lebron
Lol lbj had it easy? So beating the likes of duncan, kg, curry, kd to win titles is easy?
@angel paige. Jordan era was based off of driving in, and mid range shots. If jordan had to go against the 73-9 Warriors. He wouldn't stand a chance. Jordan never had to guard someone like Steph Curry. LeBron carried every team he has been in. MJ never had to go against a 4 all star superteam.
@@a7fanatical687 i believe that the greatest of players would adapt to the change in times. Like how Lebron drives less now, mj or magic would be attempting more 3's today too.
@Nash Casino. LeBron is the GOAT. No comment
@@a7fanatical687 uuuugh no. Jordan never slept on defense. Not a second. So no 😂
no, I'm a lebron fan but no.... not yet
Yeah
Yea he need like 1 more it’s still arguable tho
if he wins one more championship the debate is over imo
@@itzwakk335 and why is that? he would have 5 but mj still haves 6?
Mj Always beat a Team with 20+ points with 1 All Star in A Team in 6 Championship. Why MJ always won because MJ didnt fought Kevin Durant and Warriors. Even Spurs. Kevin Durant is Avg 35pg in Finals. And Curry Avg 28pg in Finals Too. And Lebron was the only one Carry in his Team. You can take the 2012,2013,2016,2020 as Lebron Carry. Jordan is Selfish Player he wants always to be the Star but not Teammates. His teammates doesnt get credits on winning his Chip. Like Steve Kerr's Game Winner. Lebron always give credits on his Team. He made his Team better with Weak Rosters. Bringing Them Always in 8 years Straight Finals. Making Teammates is Better than Becoming a Selfish Player.
Didn’t you just make a video last week about how this championship don’t count or has a asterisk or whatever 😭?
Saying lebron is better than Jordan is like saying Russ’s career is better than currys if curry won only won ring
Not at all.
@@elijahruderman he isn't wrong bron fans love taking TOTAL stats out of context which russ has a lot more than curry
No you just hating
@@JeanCJP Does Russ have an unanimous MVP??😂😂 or a championship🤣🤣?
@@JeanCJP Ok but comparing Russ to Curry is like comparing Paul George to LeBron. There's just no comparison.
Mj is a badass, MJ retired for two years to play baseball, came back, and three-peated again
Chronic gambling problem
He was amazing but his fan base has become so pathetic lol
@@satou5633 Ohh you can only imagine how much more pathetic LeBron's fan base is gonna become down the road. It has already come to a point where the general public refer to them as "Bronsexuals" lol.
@@flexinja1166 for every “bronsexual” there’s dozens of people hating on him for absolutely no reason though
@@fury_021 yeah trust me I understand I personally just see Jordan’s as a bit worse but honestly both are awful
When you downplay everything, then it’s so easy to make a case for Bron as the GOAT.
And when you only focus on 6 of MJ's 15 seasons, it's easy to make a case for him...
@@boektcity Downplay, then. Bron GOAT. Have a great day!
@@foolishspecialist7479 Not saying GOAT, but he is the most versetaille player ever. Zion is already being called a bust, Lebrons standards at 18 was goat or bust, and zion got a lotta hype, he lived up to ut more than 99% of platers ever
They downplay MJs rings, his competition, the era he played in etc. to make an argument bc they know without that their is no debate
and when you downplay all the stats it's easy to make a case for mj it goes both ways
They allowed the KD warriors, because they allowed LeBron Wade and bosh. He wasn't a part of the era, he created it.
@No userame Or the 2000 Lakers............
Or the 1996 Bulls.....
or the Showtime Lakers.....
Or the 60's Celtics
Superteams are most definetly not a new concept to the NBA
@No userame that's the one team you could argue, but weren't they on the back end of their primes and aside from KG perennial MVP candidates like Wade and LeBron.
@@Umar_Ali797 there's a bit of a difference between those Superteams and the ones today. Celtics were drafted like OKC, Magic and his boys aside from Kareem were drafted. 1996 bulls, who exactly is the superteam? The whole squad? Done mostly through drafts and development and then consistency. With role players here and there shifted. The 2000 Lakers, Kobe was a draft pick and then role players around. Or if you mean with Karl Malone and Payton, they were coming to the end of their careers. Not primetime team ups like LeBron in Miami or Cleveland and kd in GSW and Brooklyn or Kawhi and PG or Russ and Harden.
The hell are you talking about? Warriors 73 win team and miami are not! And lebron join dwade to defeat the celtics with garnet allen pierce and rondo
@@TenzClearsNRG is d Wade a better player than kG pierce Ray Allen and rondo? KD was worse, but LeBron started the I'm the MVP and gonna play with another potential MVP to win a championship.
I have 1 point to make. Game 4,5,6 2011 finals. Biggest choke ever. While being on a super team.
I have a case: 3 straight first round exits 🤡 .. since you’re gonna act dumb .. I’m sorry LeBron was actually bad in one finals😬
2016 Warriors? 2016 Thunder?
8:13 of *ALL* emotions.
No logic was made during the making of this video.
2 types of basketball fans:
-mj fans-hates LBJ
-lbj fans- dont hate MJ
Fax
Dont forget the kobe fans that keep quiet
Lbj fans do hate MJ
cap
yxngmargielaa No I’m a Lebron fan and love MJ
LeBron may be 3-6 now 4-6 (which is actually impressive) in finals but he's 1-0 in the finals in the western conference
If LeBron had played his career in the West, he would not be considered the GOAT.
The fact that you said the league allowed the super team era and omitted the fact that Lebron form his own damn super team in Miami discredits this entire video
Thank u
Frankly 2011 alone gives Lebron 1 meltdown to MJ's 0 so that alone should have sufficed.
@@mofocardinal so getting swept in the first round don't count?
@@anom717 east was stacked dude are you out of your mind.. Are you really watching NBA? Hahaha you making me laugh at least Jordan never back down even though the teams were better than his team
@@kemueltabamo4882 still got swept hahaha. Couldn't get past the first round till pippen and Phil got there. LeBron took a team full of uber drivers in 08 to the finals. Jordan never got past the first round when he was the only one on the team. 🤣🤣🤣
Not just the goat the Mountian goat, that's real talk skip, skip.
Yo
Skiiiiiip
@Tom Pickens Yeah true Jordan didn't have to bounce around, they just brought good players to him. If you think Jordan could go from team to team and win 4 rings then be my guest. Thank you next.
Tom Pickens
Jordan went to the Finals because he had a hall of fame coach who and a good roster. When Jordan left, the Bulls still almost went to the finals. LeBron takes the worst teams in the league to the Finals. Jordan could never go to Cleveland and bring them a Championship. Who did Jordan ever beat in the Finals???
nahhh kawhi leonard is the 🐐. Compare the raptors after kawhi left to the cavs after lebron left.. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
My dude have you never heard of the Detroit Pistons
uhm isiah thomas bill lambeer and dumars can compare to kevin durant steph curry klay thompson and dray or the 2014 4 hof spurs yikes
@@dgurealm4810 they would beat their ass. Durant and curry would be fucking crying lol
@@lessgoo3428 bruh I’m not a warriors fan but lets be realistic the warriors would have smoked the bad boy pistons like what are they gonna do play zone defense against a jump shooting team 😂😂
@@dgurealm4810 the hof lakers and Celtics can
@@windowsthemas5624 they would fucking tear Durant's ankle and they would break Stephen Curry's ✋... Also they were all fricking tall and actually NOT skinny asf like Durant so they could post up and beat the sit out of draymond.. curry can't guard Isaiah as his was very fast while curry is unathletic.. they would not be able to shoot three because they were so much more physical in that era and believe me when others get physical on curry he can't hit a three like in the final minutes of 2016 finals....I ain't about all this but they might happen....
Two sweeps and a gentlemen's sweep disqualifies LeBron. Period.
same goes for jordan, he should have beaten the celtics alone, he got swept 2 times, that is unacceptable, see ? I can also say the same thing for the so called *"goat."*
@@dynamic6645 the difference is how you lower the bar for LeBron, by comparing his Finals performances and failures, to Jordan's first and second round failures. It's called CONTEXT, and you LeBron groupies always twist it around. That's the difference. Natural progression, vs failing and deciding to kill competition.
@@hulkdaddy71 yeah context is allowed for jordan, not for lebron *"bird had better teammates, that's why he won."* lmao
I’ve seen so many red flags bro you’re switching up so many times and a lot of your takes are clickbait
bro this is so true
Comparing LBJ and MJ is like comparing apples and oranges. They each have unique strength that can be valuable depending on team composition. LBJ, as Casey says, makes everyone better. So if I was starting a new team where I would be getting a bunch of A, B, C and D players, LBJ would be the natural choice. If I was getting a really good team with a bunch of A and B players, I would choose MJ because (and Casey does not mention this) a superstar cannot turn an A player into a A+ player. If anything, the A player may have to make some sacrifices for the A+ (or A++) superstar. In such case, MJ would be supreme over LBJ because his value is not in making everyone better. Heck, if there was a superteam already with only A players, I may go with Tim Duncan over LBJ and MJ who does not ask any A players to make any sacrifices and sacrifices his own supreme talent to make the team win. So how can you compare them...but compare we must.... What I agree with Casey however, is that when all is said and done, LBJ is the GOAT team player in team sports history.
so dont compare them. Mangos are Better (KAJ) Or just ucking say three way tie
Yeah apples to oranges, except one has 6 rings and the other has 4
@@mcflysuntiedshoe9389 bill russell has 11
If MJ played 20 years with he would have all the records and alot more championships. MJ greatest of all times.
Kobe is looking down smiling !!!!
they didn't even honoured him properly, lebron was so busy talkin bout politics smh.
Not a single valid point 😂😂😂
exactly
haha. exactly.
😹😹😹😹 factz
Excalty
@@lindapeter5434 All those replies are from real people.
W video. You already know the dislikes are Jordan stands
Lebron's team was made for only him to be successful and jordan's team was made for everyone to successful like what happened to Isaiah thomas and D rose at cavs
A dumb statement if ever I heard one.
@@HoustonKhanyile that's why we have different opinions
@@mickelsonching2240 that I agree with.
@@HoustonKhanyile ohhh ok
Houston Khanyile it actually is true... teams are built around lebron...
Realize the game isn't over and he said LeBron won his 4th ring lol
Game over
They won🤷🏽♂️
They were up by 25
You hit the point. People can't accept the truth cuz they love nostalgia🤣🤣
Oh MJ doEzNt mAke hIs TeAmMaTes bETter:
Scottie Pippen went straight from a D2 college to the NBA and Dennis Rodman was traded for a back up center and was seemingly past his prime. However these guys both became better while playing with MJ while Lebron had to play with established stars in order to win. In addition to that guys like Bosh, Love, and now Kuzma seemed to take steps back when playing with Lebron.
Facts bro, am hoops is drunk
Scottie was projected to be a all-star when he was drafted btw
Kuzma ain’t that good 😂😂
Kuz took a backseat with AD not Lebron
6:10 those teams were the greatest of all time cause Jordan was on them... this guy is delusional
No he isn’t stop
Fax he needs one more
He is
Jacob Santiago No you to get off Lebron d
Jacob Santiago lakers fan right here
Rafael Jouse Alfaro Urquilla I was saying no to the comment saying he was the GOAT so shut up
If LeBron make his team better then why are all of his teammates except star players considered garbage?
You don't get it the reason that MJ team made it to the finals after he left is bc he made his teammates better by being himself a tough competition
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Pippin is the reason Bulls got rings
I think LeBron’s edge over MJ is longevity.
Fact!
the scary thing is lebron is still so absurdly athletic it's insane. he seem's like he can go strong for another 5 yrs. bron's longevity will be too hard to overlook but i do believe peak for peak that jordan was superior. but yeah it's looking like lebron will have the goat career he may even 3peat if the lakers can aquire some bonafide 3 and D snipers.
@@ozzee5094 he is not going to threepeat. No way.
@@paccawacca4069 if his body holds up for the next 2 seasons and say the lakers sign a player like joe harris and they avoid injuries i can see them winning the next 2 for sure. but everything has to align.
that's pretty much it. He would solidify himself as having the greatest career of all time if he becomes all time leader in points. Jordan is still the goat (reached higher ceiling during his prime), with less talent
There are a lot of comments and public opinions that Jordan's attitude made all of his Bulls teammates better so
Bro and mj people say If Jordan would have worked on his three he could become won of the best three point shooters ever
The Jordan era was if you can't guard somebody start a fight and get him ejected
That’s not called good defense that is called lazy defense
This comment only proves that you not only did not witness that era, but also haven’t done much research about it because your perspective of it is a false narrative pushed by young people on social media.
L you casual
Great video with unbiased facts. 👌🏻
This the kinda stuff that ruins your credibility
His not a Hooper... Only winners can understand why MJ is the Goat.
@@raymundfernandez4172 nah you oldheads are just biased
@@fury_021 it doesn’t make you an oldhead to think he’s the goat but it does if you refuse to acknowledge that lebron has a debate
LeBron make Team better"jordan has 2 of the Best 10 teams"he make those teams that great
Coach of the year, Rebound leader, three point contest and three point percentage leader, six man of the year and one of the greatest and underrated Superstars in Pippen = team
At 35yrs (1998), Jordan won his 6th ring, MVP, Finals MVP , All-Defensive 1st Team, All-NBA 1st Team
Ok. Lebron is still better tf
Let’s be honest the reason why when Jordan left the Bulls in the 1993 season and they were good still is because they had michael Jordan in years past and picked up where they left off because they were ready because Jordan made them ready they won three championships before he left u don’t think his team would be fine without him
Ion understand what you are saying man, Jordan won 2 3 peats and the bulls were having trouble without Jordan man.
Yahir Vasquez www.nba.com/bulls/history/Chicago_Bulls_History-24393-42.html i don’t think I have to explain it
The Bulls would be a 2nd round exit always without Jordan, especially in the 2nd 3-peat.
X Titan fair
Look at the bulls franchise after Jordan left 🤣 gone to shit
Better? Lebron always wanted a superstar teammates. If he had no superstar teammates then no playoffs for him like last year.
So he had superstar teammates in his first Cleveland stint?
Erm
Jordan never made the finals without a superstar teammate no matter who It is you need a superstar to help you,you can’t do it all alone
@@brokentxmz9327 yeah who jordan faced in the first round? Larry bird and the gang, bad boy pistons, dont forget about that special cavs team, anddd who lebron faced on the east back then? New jersey nets, wannabe celtics, wannabe piston lol no competition bro
@@fernaldianggadha1386 it’s not even that,the bulls records wouldn’t even get them a playoff spot nowadays
Yall are so biased. He is giving you everything you need to know of how he is better. You just don’t wanna admit it
Bro its been a long time i have heard some straight FACTS
How are "we" biased its just that 6 is better then 4. especially 6- 0 compared to 4-6 lmao. you just don't want to admit that, people say Lebron's competition was harder then Jordan's but most of his competition was at a different conference. the spurs were the hardest team to beat back when Lebron played for miami but they would only face in the finals. Same with the warriors and the broklynn nets as of right now. People say "They need a super team for 36 year old Bron" they dont even play for the same conference if you're assuming that Lakers would make the finals they still need to get past the warriors,clippers and the nuggets. Jordan stayed loyal to Chicago and built the team up getting great players along the way and helping players to become greater. Jordan has more mvps. more rings,more dpoy, more all defensive teams scoring champs steal champs and he would have more accomplishments if jordan didnt retire twice before his final retirement and missed 4-5 seasons in the nba. Lebron is the "self proclaimed" king but Jordan is a god
@@TWalters1 But why did Jordan only make the finals 6 times?
Love how he talks about context and LeBron played against superteams and acts like Jordan didn't play against the 86 Celtics by himself and put up historic while losing because he was by himself, the hypocrisy is mind blowing. Also making the finals and winning aren't the same and Jordan faced superteams too he just faced them earlier in his career
Thank you! 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers have legit claims to being the greatest teams assembled. Especially MJ's rookie year when his teammates were apparently high as kites all the time.
Jordan won against and old out of their prime Celtics and lakers Bro stop the BS
@@israelmarlo7791 magic finished second in MVP voting, the Lakers were the 5th offense and defense, but yeah no they were old, magic was 32 by the way, the Celtics he didn't beat because injuries ended them but he dropped 63 on them and was dominant but didn't have the help, then the Pistons who beat the Celtics and Lakers were swept by the bulls, and I'm just curious if you're going to use age how do you explain 2014 Bron losing to the big 3 that was collectively around 35 and a young kawhi before he became a superstar. I'm curious.
Your double standards and sheer stupidity never cease to astound me.
@@ankhboldcrain9954 I’m not hearing that “he didn’t have help BS” because y’all don’t cut bron slack for the 2 times he took a sorry ass cavs teams to the finals when Jordan couldn’t get the bulls to the finals until he had other hall famers and all stars on his team
@@israelmarlo7791 Firstly most people do give Bron that slack but for the people who don't how many Bron fans say 1-9 and don't use any context for that. But to go further I didn't bring up Bron because this entire video was talking about Bron facing superteams and his lack of help whereas there was no mention of MJ facing superteams without help. Oh and let's not forget that Bron played in the weakest confrences in modern nba history which was the East before and after th 08 Celtics. Bron has at least two finals appearances where the only reason he made it to the finals is because the eastern conference had no contenders whereas MJ never had that luxury and played in one of the toughest conferences in nba history and faced tough finals competition. So please use context next time like I have and this discussion would go much better for you. Also MJ only played with one other all star in his career, Bron played with 7 I believe, so don't bring up help because it does not help your side at all.
AM Hoops back at it again posting at PM
He built a school in Akron and started them on full scholarships for the kids to have a better future (+) gave each a free bike to avoid gangs and bullies. That's what makes him a GOAT.
You mean that school that wasn't built and is funded by LeBron's own money? LeBron didn't even come up with the idea for the school. If anything that has Nike's stench all over it. The school just have LeBron's name on it.
I think you missed here. MJ has a better effect on the game and has made it what it is now and for what he has done he is the goat
Lebron ain’t done playing yet. Just watch. In the future people finna say lebron was the goat hands down. It’s just how it is.
@@vineshpillai3472 Jordan never had a 2011NBA finals . Where LeBron choked for the whole series . Scored 27 the previous scored 17.4 vs a team that was inferior to his . LeBron can
Never be the GOAT because of this .
To your #1 Reason: Jordan turned his team into warriors, that's why they were still capable after he left. Pippen, Jackson, and Kerr were nobodies and may have amounted to nothing without Jordan. He led like a drill sergeant, by rough love, example and spirit. He picked up the slack when Rodman skipped games to party in las vegas, when Pippen had a migraine/back pain/missed free throws in a key playoff game, when Jackson had no plan to win except 'pass the ball to Jordan'.
LeChoke’s 1st ring: D Wade
LeBroke’s 2nd ring: Ray Allen
LeDick’s 3rd ring: Kyrie Irving
LeBrick’s 4th ring: Anthony Davis
@@mademydayyt I ain’t a fan of MJ I’m just statin facts
Uhhh how can u give LeBron an excuse for losing in finals due to his lack of help but then go on to knock mj for losing before the finals for the same reason because nthe type of teams LeBron was facing in finals mj was facing in the first few rounds. Also the making teammates better jordan did he averaged 8 assists per game during the 1990 season but then they ran the triangle offend and as a result hsi assist number went down. Also u say LeBron makes his teammates better but I don't agree it isn't a coincidence that a lot of his teammates on the 2018 Cavs that everyone makes fun of suddenly played better on different teams. Also theirs a good chance jordan would have more rings or mvps if he didn't retire the first time and early the second time and jordan didn't have the tools LeBron did to take care of his body like LeBron.
Obviously he twisting things to make Lebron seem better
It is a lot harder to win with a bumteam and make them all great dynasty no one has ever done that
The things Lebron started will become tradition and superstars will win with multiple teams Kawhi already did it TWICE its always easy to LEAVE and go to great players and organisations Lebron took the easy way out all the time and can only win if he leaves his team
Omg bro finally someone who thinks the same! You are awsome! Intantly subbed to your channel🔥
Just no… I feel like your giving great evidence but it won’t change my mind
The only reason why LBJ's teams became worse is because they lost more than just Lebron, MJ's teams actually gained. So this whole argument of Lebron's teams being way worse w/o him, shouldn't be an argument. I'm still not able to admit that Lebron's the GOAT, no matter what my pfp says. And who cares about team mates, if u win u win.
True. MJ's got 6 rings. Lebron's only got 4. But MJ's two "threepeats" were with the same team & coach. Lebron's were with 3 different teams. Lebron's also had double digit Finals appearances now whereas MJ only went the 6 times; he won every time he did, but one can't forget you've gotta win to even get there like Lebron's done sooooo many times-and honestly with some teams definitely worse than what MJ had that it WAS Lebron that powered them to the Finals. MJ was with the Bulls all the way back in 1984 too; he didn't make it to the Finals until 1991! Then those Bulls DOMINATED the NBA, but it still took an extremely talented supporting cast and Phil Jackson's chemistry to get Jordan his rings. Lebron on the other hand, goes to a team and takes them to the Finals.
Ted S FAX!
So teammates don’t matter????
Ted S I understand that getting to the finals 10 times is impressive but anyone that’s in that position wouldn’t be happy about being a finalist . Chuck himself said that his finals loss to MJ was a very painful one to take . In history you only remember the winners as well never the losers
Bobby Johnson yes... it doesn’t matter if u win with scrubs or all stars, as long as u win.
Jordan shoulda gone to Spurs after Bulls run to add to his rings. Jordan was the better scorer and defender. When MJ was switched to PG in 1988, he had all those triple doubles as the "playmaker" like Lebron.
He had those for a few games. He didn't run the point the same way lebron did because he couldn't do it all around for a long duration.
@@jahleelx9270 says who? He had 7 games in a row, 10 in 11 games, and 15 in only 21 games when his coach asked him to run the PG. That was more triple doubles than anyone that year...n he did it in only 21 games!
@@joef443 says his career dude. He couldn't keep that pace for an entire season. There is a reason he didn't and was asked to play a different role.
@@jahleelx9270 he wasnt asked to be the playmaker the following year cuz Phil Jackson implemented the triangle. If Lebron played in the Triangle he wouldn't be so ball dominant meaning he wouldnt be who he is. If asked to, Jordan could have done what Luka is now doing while being a better scorer.
@@joef443 based on what exactly? Because he did it for 10 games? That doesn't mean anything.
People should try to watch and understand how ferocious and backbreaking the games were back in the 80's and 90's.
Did you see when jimmy butler could barely walk after game 5. And that was 2020. The man had to go back out and play another game, everyone else did too
@@kevspeaks1459 I see, however do you not think that the previous eras were physically much more difficult?
@@gogeyeryuzune9095 I personally think it's about the same level maybe actually tilted more towards this era because the game today is actually really physically taxing and asks a lot from players to the point where we're now asking if there should be shorter seasons since years before covid. Also to add to that this era is just more talented top to bottom, you're not playing random guys who are coming off the bench anymore, or some unknown point guard. The entire roster in overall talent is much greater in this era, anybody on almost any team even the struggling cavs, like collin sexton can be a bucket out of no where, if you tell me he went and scored 30 and like took over a game on some random night no one would be surprised other then like hey collin sexton is good guys. Back then that wasnt a thing, the whole league is changed now, guys are going everywhere and trying to do something, make brands, it's the social media era. Lamelo ball is about to be in the league with the biggest shoe deal ever with puma and already being famous coming into the league, you have mickey williams on the come up being famous with his own show for Christ's sake. It's exactly why It's hard to compare generations like this because it's hard to get the full context of everything. Lebron james is no doubt the best of this era but the thing is, the man is still writing his story, is the most durable athlete in history and can probably still be a good role player into his late 40's of he wanted to. Rn he's set up to be a contender for the next 3 years minimum, a prime ad wants to play there for a lil while, lakers have cap space and trade assets. So let's all calm down and enjoy greatness and look over the tale when the insane man is finally out the league at age 50 at the rate he's going.
Ummm... the 2014 spurs had a very old Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker who all retired 2 years later and Lebron got locked up by a 21 year old Kawhi who played bench a lot of the season smh talking about 4 HOFers and the reason why Jordan didn’t make it to the finals without Pippen was cuz he had no other all stars and had to go up against the pistons who were juggernauts who played dirty and had 4 all stars while Lebron won in a very poor east. Case Closed about this GOAT debate
I don’t even feel like addressing all of this but, locked up! Locked up!!!? Locked up!!!! Dude. 28 Points 8 dimes 6 boards on 58 percent shooting for the series is what lebron put up against the spurs. Honestly don’t play yourself like that. Don’t even try to say kawhi locked lebron up. I was rooting for the spurs that series, lebron and his teams have never been my favorite team, but dude be objective and fair! Come on!! Locked up? WhT the FUCK!? If a player shooting nearly 60 percent while scoring close to 30 a game and dishing over 8 dimes a game depsite the rest of his team being defended exceptionally well is being “locked up” well then idk what to say. Jordan NEVER was said to be locked up when he put up those numenrs in a series, win or loose. Come on
@LaCosa x U do know he played the trailblazers, the Nuggets, and the rockets in the west with AD. Don’t even try to say this is the same strong west we are used to
Between jordan and lebron the gap is a separate hof career what about that? You lebron fan
Yes bc Jordan played in a shit era.
@@nuffsedNyC agreed
Karl Malone, John Stockton, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Shaquille O’Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, David Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo, Dennis Rodman, Grant Hill, Shawn Kemp.
These are just some of the superstars that mj had to go against that Lebron didn’t have to. Try to come up with a list this long for lebron. Good Luck.
this video gonna take a lot of hits respect for making it
Congrats lebron 4 beating a 5th seed y’all should’ve swept
right. so Bucks should have passed them. They had better record than the Lakers.
@@kirbystarwell3701 they should have. Pretty pathetic that they didn't.
Stop judging that team by their seed. They were the best team in the east. They beat the #1 seed and the favorites to win the championship. They beat the #3 seed. They were the best team. Before you pull out the giannis card. They dominated the bucks even when he played. The bucks actually won a game without him. So that team was legit stop trying to diminish Lebron’s greatness
Once again the bubble comes into play. No home court advantage, so that definitely helped some lower seeds. Its a little harder to actually travel and then play in hostile territory.
stfu the heat earned there way to the finals
Lebron needed 3 different teams and left 4 times to win titles. MJ had 6 with one team.
Mj didn’t need to leave his team because they were good
Damn Casey is the first RUclipsr I've seen to completely disrespect Mike
Like he doesn't respect mike at all
He is probably a bronsexual
Bro what
Michael Jordan is the best player of all time. No cap
@@caseysaavedra3871 True
I live how 2 of your 3 points don’t talk about actual basketball skill
I thought the same thing... sorry BIAS isn't a valid reason. Look at the Jalen Rose ESPN video talking to Jacoby where they break down 5 key areas and Jordan completely dominates them.
Exactly. This video/argument was laughable.
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If lebron 3peated, retired for almost 2 seasons, came back 3peated again with the same organization, we'd have a legit debate. MJ is still the GOAT
Doesn’t have too lebron is better , lebron didn’t make a dumb decision to join a sport he’s no good at
@@avalancher360 ... never mind your name already starts with L
Yeah, but He wouldn't find plumbers to three peat in the finals. Jorbum never win against a team that had more all stars than his. In fact, if you make your top 10, he faced the least MVPs and HOFs. Not everyone will get to play an expansion era with barely 2 superstars in one team to face in the finals
@@federalfreemoneylackofrese9937 so lebrons the greatest of all time because he loses to good competion instead of beating them? How can he be the greatest of all time when he ain't even the best in his era?
@@avalancher360 you're too smart for me bro..
SAS said it best LJ was universal respected and MJ was universal feared
SAS is dead wrong. Nobody respects Lebron TF lol
No.
Case for Jordan:
Offense: Wade/Bosh, Irving, AD, they are the help Lebron had winning his championships and I think they are all more dominant than Pippen who was the second best player behind Jordan.
Defense: Jordan didn't just win because his team mates played dominant defense (Tristan Thompson/Dellavedova/Irving, AD and basically the whole Lakers lineup), he won because of his own defense. He led the team defensively and dominated both ends.
Rings: Jordan would have probably won 2-3 more rings had he been available - 2 after the first threepeat, and another had the Bulls head office not dismantled the team.
Opponents: One of Lebrons titles is against a banged up Miami Heat with Jimmy Butler as their #1 player...??? I mean I love Jimmy Butler but he's no Reggie Miller or Malone/Stockton or Stark/Ewing or Charles Barkley. I think once you make those considerations James now has 3 meaningful championships not 4 while Jordan has 6.
And I'll throw in there Jordan's ridiculous statistics as a Wizard at age 38-39 years of age... I mean the guy had multiple 40+ point games and even a 51 point game!!! And I can't help throwing in the Flu game because well that's just the sort of player he was, willing his team to victory with sheer determination not just by being the most skillfully dominant player on court.
I'll give you a like anyway Casey because I love your videos but I can't agree with you on this one!
JORDAN HAS 6 meaningful championships????!??! PLEASE, his team was always the overwhelming favorite to win, while Lebron won two while being the underdog. Your take is pathetic. This league is far more talented than Jordan’s era. You have not even top 20 players scoring 50-60 points like Jamal Murray Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker. It’s laughable how you Jordan stans make ridiculous takes
@@Matt-cl7ee lmao whatever you are smoking I want it immediatley lmao.... Smh 🤦🤦🤦
Matt its laughable how you LeBron fanboys make ridiculous takes
Like Jordan did in the prime of his career
@@Matt-cl7ee Jordan's team was favourite to win because of him. Pippen and Rodman were his best teammates the second time around and when pippen was on his own he got knocked out while wade won a fmvp b4 bron joined forces with him.
LeBron probably wouldn't have even been able to stay healthy in the 90s let alone be as good or better than jordan
mj went 2700ish games without losing 3 in a row. let that sink in
Mj was 1-9 in playoffs before teaming up with pippen
@@rodsonvale5933 pippen joined in 1987, up till 1987 jordan had played 3 years in the league. each of those three years he lead a weak bulls team to the playoffs, but with no help im not surprised he didnt make it out the first round any of those years with the 2nd and 3rd years against one of the greatest celtics teams ever and in the second year coming off the back of an ankle injury. however lebron didnt make the playoffs in any of his first two years and only beat a relatively weak wizards team in his 3rd...
@@Tomgpx-kr2zw lol so that means every one needs a back up, jordan needs back up bron needs back ups with superteams around him so they actually do the same thing just different scenarios,
@@Tomgpx-kr2zw bron carries his 2007 team in finals bron had no help too,
And I forgot 2018 line up I know he have kevin love but what love did in that year ????? Nothing so it was a one man domination in the east that time idc if he lost the finals but what he did in 2007 and 2018 is one of the most impressive thing ive ever seen im not a lbj fan dont get me wrong but what lbj did is much impressive than jordan
Plus jordan admits he cant be a GOAT bcoz of the level of succes by teaming up with pippen
Lebron will never be the goat but respect to Lebron.
Lebron is already the goat
How?
@@TenzClearsNRG idc if this chat in this video thinks Lebron is the "goat" the whole world knows Jordan is the goat.
Jordan will always be the goat he mentioned Jordan has a shoe brand and apparently Lebron doesn’t???
I respect MJ and i think he's a good basketball player. But the competition in his era is nothing compared to what LeBron has faced.
MJ definitely made his team better. He was always on their ass and demanding their best effort at every practice and game. Assists aren't everything.
people only truely appreciate something when it is gone. 3:51 - could not be more true
Facts
MJ is the Goat. Bron has to win a few more in order to pass him.
Lebron needed to win more rings in the SAME TIMEFRAME Jordan had. That ship has sailed. But that is NOT the only clear reason Jordan is the GOAT and Lebron is not
Rings measure a teams achievement, same thing MJ said.
Great vídeo!
I love how most of these comments are defending Jordan calling him the goat are probably kids and younger adults who have not only never seen him play live but probably just go off of what their parents told them or all the nostalgia surrounding Jordan , people be letting that nostalgia cloud there judgement smh
u a funny , after he retired 3~5 years u will see no one talk about LBJ anymore , someone will replace him to compare to mike..
u will see.
I watch film not highlights
@@kawaihui3922 yeah ok man Lol , like people are really just gonna forget a guy who’s gonna go down as the all time leading scorer , most final appearances, and has been dominant as soon as he joined the league … yeah ok
@@avalancher360" u will see "
@@kawaihui3922 yeah cause we all forgot about bill russel , wilt chamberlain, kareem Abdul jabbar , doctor J who literally played in the 60’s ?? Yeah whatever man your probably not even an nba fan