Even after the series has concluded, I still wonder how much about the reason for Chloe's _"supernatural"_ birth we still have to learn? I think three of the key people in Lucifer's path have been Delilah, Chloe, and Father Frank. Delilah's death resulted in _DeckerStar_ first meeting (as well as Chloe's mission to hell with Lucifer), Father Frank was practically a _"prophet"_ in encouraging Lucifer that his Father may still have an ongoing plan for him. And Chloe ... well, she gave birth to Rory who was instrumental in Lucifer finding his _calling!_ Additionally, I don't think Lucifer could have followed through on his commitment to Rory without Chloe's tremendous support and self-sacrifice in 6x10 to be willing to be separated from the love of her life for ~50 years by my estimate and to encourage Lucifer to make an even greater sacrifice, since their separation would equalled *MILLIONS OF YEARS* to him! Was Amenadiel sent to Penelope Decker to ultimately facilitate an _"exit path"_ to hell? Was John Decker an _unsung hero_ for his faith? (Referring to a deleted scene where Penelope tells daughter Chloe, _"But your father, he believed!")_
People assume she was drawn to Lucifers door because of the music, but, the whole point is to draw in the individual, hence, the music was most likely being played to lure her into someone’s random Hell loop, which would then transition into her own.
@@E3ECO It doesn't even have to automatically reconfigure itself. It would just need to draw her in and trap her in someone else's loop. She would still be forced into an endless cycle of being part of this torture made even worse knowing that she is a sentient thinking unwilling part of someone else's hell....
Think of it as the Courage the Cowardly Dog episode where Courage was in the apartment to receive a gift and the different doors are filled with crazy crap.
@@GeneralPatton88 This isn't the real hell. This is a fictional story loosely based on the Bible. Besides, while she technically is in hell, she's not really. She's not in any of the rooms and, since Lucifer can go to heaven, I'm sure he could take her there too.
Lucifer magically puts Chloe back in that red cox tail dress she borrowed on time at Lux as a Corenation outfit. Chloe:Not a chance. Lucifer:If your going to be Queen of Hell one first important thing is appearances , detective. Chole:This doesn't set the positive example we are trying relay to recovering sinners. Lucifer:Trust me dectective it's sending me a positive message.
_"It looks so lonely."_ I wonder if she thought about his visit at the end of Season 4 and how she treated him after he got back -- _"Don't you have somewhere to be?"_ Also, remember their final season 4 conversation: _"So for how long? A couple weeks or a month?"_ He's gone for *two* months and Chloe is saying _"I just have to accept Lucifer's never coming back."_
@@RecklessFables That's always an interesting concept I've found that I like in a lot of fiction involving Hell and it's denziens. Lucifer as a fallen angel is still bound by his previous angelic nature and thus is incapable of lying. As are most iterations of demons/devils. They're creatures born of darkness and potentially evil or sometimes fallen angels but they are bound by different laws and thus incapable of lying. They can bend or omit the FULL truth but at the same time they are incapable of telling you that you'll be fat rich unless it's a real possibility.
"... stabbed my brother to death a million times." Even the devil never completely escapes Hell. Oh hell, what am I saying?! This show is that very premise! Sort of.
Callbacks indeed. Lucifer is back in hell. Amenadiel is in _"the silver city"_ (at least part time) and Maze ... is still Maze. And Kinley ... sort of got what he wanted -- have Chloe send the devil back to hell. Wonder if Kinley will end up on Lucifer's Linda-esque couch? Is he hanging out with Dromos?
This depicton of Hell is actually extremely accurate. The place does have the dim blue light and hell "rooms". It is a giant AI managed machine that uses the energy by state transition of souls repeatedly reliving the worst fears and regrets over and over again. You can break the cycle by realizing you are there, and it's not really real and explore the place. From a NDE of September 2009.😮
"You don't want to get trapped in someone else's hell loop. Been there, done that. Stabbed my brother to death a million times." God the dialogue in this show is amazing, and I love how Chloe looks at Lucifer like "What?!" when he says he stabbed his brother to death a million times. I know that wasn't supposed to be funny, but it made me laugh more than it should have.
This was a hint of their future in Hell. I hope we get a sequel to see more of this. And I know Lucifer is the King, but now Chloe will be the boss too, and I want to see it. I heard the showrunners are working on the script for the movie, and they hope Netflix accepts their request.
The door came to be after Lucifer killed Uriel. It became the goddess of all creation’s door cause Lucifer dragged her out after she made him realize something. Maybe it could’ve been Chloes door but Lucifer stopped her in time
Well haven't you watched season 2? He killed Uriel, his brother, to protect Chloe and Mom. Later when he died and went down to Hell to save Chloe, he's been trapped in his own Hell loop because felt very guilty about it. In his loop was Uriel playing "Killing me softly" on a piano. This loop got her attention because of the same song
I think one should curb curiosity in ... special places.... and leave it to the natives to explain things.... they do not allow you to try out switches in nuclear powerplants for a reason.... and doorknobs qualify as switches.
thought guess as saying goes ... curiosity killed the cat but looking back and seeing this again that can't help be bit curious be in a "Uriel " state of mind bout this. As am left to ponder as to what if anything is behind that door? Why the tone playing sound somewhat famillar? Is there a clue behind it all including the door itself? 👼 🤔 👻
@@drmayeda1930 no, it haven't immortality anymore. It only brought her back and saved Lucifer from burning at Heaven at first, but now it's white, so immortality has gone
😂😂😂🤣🤣 exactly.. so don’t take everything so serious, cause you might not get it.. there’s no hell.. the hell is nothing but your physical body or shell.. Lucifer throne would be the human spine connected all the way to your pineal which is between your brains.. Lucifer is God on earth and in man , which is us.. those doors could represent each individual fantasy that they experiencing in this so called real word.. and each individual punishment is nothing but past life’s regression.. your guilty conscious is what judges you.. do you see where he’s at? It is cold right, that would be your brain.. and ice is also black that’s why it’s dark..
Does anyone know the name of the song being played on the piano my nana had a music box which she gave to me and i was never able to find any similarities like it and the song in lucifer is the exact same song?
According to Dante's Inferno the very center of hell is frozen over, while other parts of it are firey pits. Since Lucifers throne is within sight they're probably in the frozen center of hell.
It is hot in hell, doesn't look like that but its hot.. the particles that are falling from the sky is actually ash. The whole blue looking theme is kind of weird, you would assume its cold but if you look it up blue frames are hotter than red flames and perhaps the show tried to make everything look blue as in "it looks cold however its extremely hot" because of the whole blue fire is hotter than red fire lol
Further from the truth.. first of all hell doesn't look like that its iv been there i travel there.. a went to a bar.. and holy cats its like a club with gothic looking.. people.. and demon s thay all look at me like I was like.. I ghost.. I think I was.. and I walked in and look at the bar.. and seen I church like windows.. and red drapes like .. also so dance floor of some kind.. wow I said to my self what in the world .. the sky was red.. and darkness dark.. and there was an elevator with a elevator guy .. in there he said to me welcome. That's all.. real friendly dude.. I heard no one has ever been down there.. its too dangerous for humans.. but why me... asking this for years now.. 🤔🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐
But as you have seen even in little glimpses in this show, each "room" in Hell is actually a custom tailored environment that plays off of and emphasizes your own guilt. I won't attempt to analyze your vision of Hell because it is yours. It is specific to you and has meaning only to you. Your Hell will not be my Hell and vice versa. That scene is the outside of the rooms. And you've never been there. You would only see the inside of your own customized room.
She was so excited to go there, and now she is like a little girl wants to know everything 😁
I love that we see excitement and curiosity over fear from Chloe. Its this really understated acceptance.
Mainly because it's *about Lucifer* and Chloe realizing there's so much about him and his history she still doesn't know.
Aha
Even after the series has concluded, I still wonder how much about the reason for Chloe's _"supernatural"_ birth we still have to learn? I think three of the key people in Lucifer's path have been Delilah, Chloe, and Father Frank. Delilah's death resulted in _DeckerStar_ first meeting (as well as Chloe's mission to hell with Lucifer), Father Frank was practically a _"prophet"_ in encouraging Lucifer that his Father may still have an ongoing plan for him.
And Chloe ... well, she gave birth to Rory who was instrumental in Lucifer finding his _calling!_ Additionally, I don't think Lucifer could have followed through on his commitment to Rory without Chloe's tremendous support and self-sacrifice in 6x10 to be willing to be separated from the love of her life for ~50 years by my estimate and to encourage Lucifer to make an even greater sacrifice, since their separation would equalled *MILLIONS OF YEARS* to him!
Was Amenadiel sent to Penelope Decker to ultimately facilitate an _"exit path"_ to hell? Was John Decker an _unsung hero_ for his faith? (Referring to a deleted scene where Penelope tells daughter Chloe, _"But your father, he believed!")_
why does a curious child have to a girl in your eyes
Funny how Chloe was drawn to Lucifer's door. Same music that drew Lucifer to his hell loop in 2x13.
Was that the music? I didn't get it until you said it.
@@E3ECO Ya I restarted the series and noticed it. Maybe it was just a call back because the doors looked different.
@@E3ECO Killing me softly
Yooooooo! I didn't catch that!
@@LadyGreeneyes25 exactly that. This show is amazing 👍
People assume she was drawn to Lucifers door because of the music, but, the whole point is to draw in the individual, hence, the music was most likely being played to lure her into someone’s random Hell loop, which would then transition into her own.
Interesting idea. The room automatically reconfigures itself to the appropriate hell loop for the occupant.
@@E3ECO It doesn't even have to automatically reconfigure itself. It would just need to draw her in and trap her in someone else's loop. She would still be forced into an endless cycle of being part of this torture made even worse knowing that she is a sentient thinking unwilling part of someone else's hell....
what's de name of the song?
@@sebastianfallas8023 I think it's "Killing Me Softly."
Think of it as the Courage the Cowardly Dog episode where Courage was in the apartment to receive a gift and the different doors are filled with crazy crap.
This just shows how much they love each other
How so?
@@kiamercury7639 she wants to go with him everywhere, even to Hell
@@oxanatarashchuk4598 Okay, that's true but she kinda seemed more excited about the danger than anything else.
@@kiamercury7639 well maybe because that's a part of his life she never knew. And she wanted to know everything
@@GeneralPatton88 This isn't the real hell. This is a fictional story loosely based on the Bible. Besides, while she technically is in hell, she's not really. She's not in any of the rooms and, since Lucifer can go to heaven, I'm sure he could take her there too.
Love how she pretty much becomes the queen after she dies.
I want an epilogue of Chloe as the Queen of Hell so badly!
Lucifer magically puts Chloe back in that red cox tail dress she borrowed on time at Lux as a Corenation outfit.
Chloe:Not a chance.
Lucifer:If your going to be Queen of Hell one first important thing is appearances , detective.
Chole:This doesn't set the positive example we are trying relay to recovering sinners.
Lucifer:Trust me dectective it's sending me a positive message.
And perhaps she became an archangel.
_"It looks so lonely."_
I wonder if she thought about his visit at the end of Season 4 and how she treated him after he got back -- _"Don't you have somewhere to be?"_
Also, remember their final season 4 conversation: _"So for how long? A couple weeks or a month?"_ He's gone for *two* months and Chloe is saying _"I just have to accept Lucifer's never coming back."_
Two months to Chloe, thousands of years to Lucifer. Time moves differently in Hell.
I mean, he did sorta tell her that was the case. And he doesn't lie.
@@RecklessFables That's always an interesting concept I've found that I like in a lot of fiction involving Hell and it's denziens. Lucifer as a fallen angel is still bound by his previous angelic nature and thus is incapable of lying. As are most iterations of demons/devils. They're creatures born of darkness and potentially evil or sometimes fallen angels but they are bound by different laws and thus incapable of lying. They can bend or omit the FULL truth but at the same time they are incapable of telling you that you'll be fat rich unless it's a real possibility.
"... stabbed my brother to death a million times." Even the devil never completely escapes Hell. Oh hell, what am I saying?! This show is that very premise! Sort of.
Callbacks indeed. Lucifer is back in hell. Amenadiel is in _"the silver city"_ (at least part time) and Maze ... is still Maze.
And Kinley ... sort of got what he wanted -- have Chloe send the devil back to hell. Wonder if Kinley will end up on Lucifer's Linda-esque couch? Is he hanging out with Dromos?
@@ChaplainDaveSparks nah I just came back from one of Dromos's keggers 🤣🤣🤣 and last time I saw him Belios was shit faced.
@@MsWiccanpriestess I'm still amazed how forgiving Lucifer seems to be of Dromos, after their 4x10 encounter.
@@ChaplainDaveSparks right lol
as a single finger playing "Killing Me Softly" plays . . . that is genius. -C
“Killing me softly with his song… killing me sooftly…with hiis song … telling my whole life with hiis words killing me sooftly….”
With his song
00:45 This is perhaps the only moment in the entire series where Chloe practically realizes Lucifer's loneliness and sufferings.
Then completely ignores how it affected him. That he willingly went there twice to save her life.
In Season 4, Episode 2, Chloe asked Lucifer what Hell was like. Now she knows.
At least now she can say she's been to hell and back and mean it.
love killing me softly in this scene! so good one of the best songs of this season imo.
This depicton of Hell is actually extremely accurate. The place does have the dim blue light and hell "rooms". It is a giant AI managed machine that uses the energy by state transition of souls repeatedly reliving the worst fears and regrets over and over again. You can break the cycle by realizing you are there, and it's not really real and explore the place. From a NDE of September 2009.😮
One of the best shows ever!!!
"You don't want to get trapped in someone else's hell loop. Been there, done that. Stabbed my brother to death a million times."
God the dialogue in this show is amazing, and I love how Chloe looks at Lucifer like "What?!" when he says he stabbed his brother to death a million times. I know that wasn't supposed to be funny, but it made me laugh more than it should have.
At least you get a personal space !
For Lucifer, Hell is his hell
This was a hint of their future in Hell. I hope we get a sequel to see more of this. And I know Lucifer is the King, but now Chloe will be the boss too, and I want to see it. I heard the showrunners are working on the script for the movie, and they hope Netflix accepts their request.
Thinking on it, she wasn't destined to go to Hell, so would she even be drawn to a door? That implies she was drawn to Lucifer's Hell not hers.
How can Lucifer have his own door if he's always sitting on a throne. And why was the door getting Chloe's attention.
(🤓)
The door came to be after Lucifer killed Uriel. It became the goddess of all creation’s door cause Lucifer dragged her out after she made him realize something. Maybe it could’ve been Chloes door but Lucifer stopped her in time
Throne*
Hell rules basically apply to anyone that feels guilt and dies, don’t they? Which he did do that one time (that I know of).
Well haven't you watched season 2? He killed Uriel, his brother, to protect Chloe and Mom. Later when he died and went down to Hell to save Chloe, he's been trapped in his own Hell loop because felt very guilty about it. In his loop was Uriel playing "Killing me softly" on a piano. This loop got her attention because of the same song
Maybe the atheist Jean-Paul Sartre was at least a bit right when he said: "Hell; that is the others!"
Hell Is Supposed To Be So Bad But There It is kinda cool
I think one should curb curiosity in ... special places.... and leave it to the natives to explain things.... they do not allow you to try out switches in nuclear powerplants for a reason.... and doorknobs qualify as switches.
Bible makers surely have to make changes in their book, after seeing this show 😂.
But the Bible isn’t for entertainment lol
@@user-zb5fc3hy8m then it should be
thought guess as saying goes ...
curiosity killed the cat but looking back and seeing this again that can't help be bit curious be in a "Uriel " state of mind bout this. As am left to ponder as to what if anything is behind that door? Why the tone playing sound somewhat famillar? Is there a clue behind it all including the door itself?
👼 🤔 👻
killing me softly in hell... hmm... makes sense
Lucifer the morningstar
How does Lucifer go shopping in Hell? How does he pay his bills? 😄
How was Chole able to go to hell with Lucifer?
With Amenadiel necklace
She also has Lilith's ring of immortality.
@@drmayeda1930 But if the ring worked wouldn't it have prevented her from growing old?
@@drmayeda1930 no, it haven't immortality anymore. It only brought her back and saved Lucifer from burning at Heaven at first, but now it's white, so immortality has gone
😂😂😂🤣🤣 exactly.. so don’t take everything so serious, cause you might not get it.. there’s no hell.. the hell is nothing but your physical body or shell.. Lucifer throne would be the human spine connected all the way to your pineal which is between your brains.. Lucifer is God on earth and in man , which is us.. those doors could represent each individual fantasy that they experiencing in this so called real word.. and each individual punishment is nothing but past life’s regression.. your guilty conscious is what judges you.. do you see where he’s at? It is cold right, that would be your brain.. and ice is also black that’s why it’s dark..
So ... This *is* the bad place!
I wonder who's door that was, the one she was drawn to
According to Season 2, it was Lucifer's door. I don't know why Chloe would be drawn to it.
@@E3ECO Oh was that the loop where he was stabbing Uriael over and over?
@@enikata7349 Yes.
@@E3ECO probably to her own hell loop, drawing her with interesting stuff to make her open the door and fall into the trap.
Welcome home hell.
Lovely couple
How does a fiery pit that hes describes ..turn into a snow globe ....that all i wanna know ??
I think it’s ash not snow.
You're unsure if that's all you want to know or now? Wow.
Religious people thinking hell makes sense 😀
Soooo how long will it take before Chloe tortures her first soul?
What? Haven't you watched this season to the end lol 🙄?
Does anyone know the name of the song being played on the piano my nana had a music box which she gave to me and i was never able to find any similarities like it and the song in lucifer is the exact same song?
we have such sights to show you
why she didn't discussed about uriel?if it was good or wow or somthin
Whos the song in the end of scene,does anyone have an idea?
Yes Chloe going new home Mrs morningstar hell yeah
Lucifer
Then why he said it's hot as hell
Looks like its winter there
According to Dante's Inferno the very center of hell is frozen over, while other parts of it are firey pits. Since Lucifers throne is within sight they're probably in the frozen center of hell.
@@theelvencyclops1089 then what is that hotness for if that doesn't affect prisoners
It is hot in hell, doesn't look like that but its hot.. the particles that are falling from the sky is actually ash.
The whole blue looking theme is kind of weird, you would assume its cold but if you look it up blue frames are hotter than red flames and perhaps the show tried to make everything look blue as in "it looks cold however its extremely hot" because of the whole blue fire is hotter than red fire lol
@@roigipot8120 then why is chloe is cool
I want to see more of that
Hell is pure flames doesn't resemble hell
Have you been there?
😎😎😎
😌
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Further from the truth.. first of all hell doesn't look like that its iv been there i travel there.. a went to a bar.. and holy cats its like a club with gothic looking.. people.. and demon s thay all look at me like I was like.. I ghost.. I think I was.. and I walked in and look at the bar.. and seen I church like windows.. and red drapes like .. also so dance floor of some kind.. wow I said to my self what in the world .. the sky was red.. and darkness dark.. and there was an elevator with a elevator guy .. in there he said to me welcome. That's all.. real friendly dude.. I heard no one has ever been down there.. its too dangerous for humans.. but why me... asking this for years now.. 🤔🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐
aight maybe it's time to lay off the drugs
Okay Y/N, that's enough dayreaming.
Stop doing drugs 😅
Okayyyy² do you want water or something ? seems like ur too high on something 🤔
But as you have seen even in little glimpses in this show, each "room" in Hell is actually a custom tailored environment that plays off of and emphasizes your own guilt. I won't attempt to analyze your vision of Hell because it is yours. It is specific to you and has meaning only to you. Your Hell will not be my Hell and vice versa. That scene is the outside of the rooms. And you've never been there. You would only see the inside of your own customized room.