I have the new groovy version on my Titan... it looks nice. No issues with the plastic brackets yet... I liked the old version more. The groovy landing gear sticks A LOT. I’ve tried dry lube, grease, etc. hasn’t broke in yet I guess.
@@mackb3164 So I checked mine and it turned out that I had overtightened the bolts causing an indent in the knuckle. This made it hard to insert the wheel arm. I would double check your knuckles to see if they are damaged. Otherwise lube and leverage gets it done.
Burly Fishing I had an issue initially with my hardware constantly coming loose, so I added lock washers and locktite. But maybe I over tightened it. I’ll check...
Installed the landing gear on my Titan 2 years ago. No problems. I DID cut the "excess" off the arm, where the wheels go. (Made it easier to pull-up the wheels, when on the water - OR lowering them...!)
After ONE trip on my PA 14 360 with the damn Balloon wheels!!! Pain in the ass flipping the boat on its side. I need those Boondocks!! They are on BACKORDER right now!!! I need that in my life.
Dude, it's life changing! I hope they get in stock for you soon! Go check out my NEWER install on the channel though when you do: ruclips.net/video/WPxZXXk9T7I/видео.html
@Burly Fishing.... Awesome video as usual. Thanks for posting these! I can't help wondering if we could mount it (with some hardware changes like new H rail with T groove) to the top of the rail rather than beneath the rail? It would be about 3-4" shorter when deployed, but much easier to install/remove, and no holes required. I wouldn't store it with the wheels in place (to reduce fatigue), but for short duration should be fine. btw loved your trick with using a wire to pull the bracket up. Not sure why I didn't think of that one. Tight lines! Ooops... I should have read Nelson Peter's post first. I completely agree with him. Should have read all the responses first.
I had the original Boonedox Landing gear on my 2012 PA 14. It was flawless and worked great with a heavy load every time. This year 2017 PA 12 the new groovy style second outing snapped both plastic ears from binding up in some soft sand. And no I didn’t have any sand tires the sand had a soft spot. Basically the arms of the tires are like breaker bars and snapped both side of the ears off instantly. The old style setup hands down was and is the best Boonedox design in my opinion. Especially when it comes to a PA that has some weight.
I really like your idea of the extra reinforcement. 👍🏼 I just ordered my 360 PA-14 and already received the groovy landing gear plus extra parts. Did you use the sealant between the backing plates and the boat as well? Why or why not? Ty
Just in the drilled holes. Nor reason not to, other than difficulty reaching that part of the boat. I think all plates are standard sized now, so if you have the HD hardware, you can always replace pieces no problem.
I'm still kind of on the fence about doing this to my pa 12 360 but if I decide to I'm definitely coming back to this video when I install it. Nice work!
That’s what I was thinking. I have one on my 2018 PA 14 and it was a monster to install it under the H rail. You have to have extra long arms, although the wire trick works it was still very challenging.
I think I had the ultimate nightmare install on record. I have the first gen landing gear for my 2015 PA12. The bolts seemed too short to thread in. :( after a week of frustration I gave up. :( Boonedox finally sent me some longer bolts that worked but, found out they were not stainless and started to rust. First time I used the sand wheels they would not come up. they were locked in place when under the water. Had to spend more money to buy the tuff wheels. Never again-lol, I have moved on to the "Wilderness Systems cart" one cart for all my boats. :)
When you were installing, it looked like you took off the back and front parts of the rail for the spacers, but I did not see the center piece removed (where the rudder control is). Did I miss that, or do you just have the rials a half inch higher at each end? I had my boondox installed by the seller (who will remain nameless) on my Pro14and they said they could not install behind the seat because the rail was too low, so they stuck everything on the back of miner - done several years ago and I am sill o'oed. Gotta get that redone.
@@aaanglers Thanks. Am going to take it back and have a second go at it. The current situation puts almost all the weight of the yak on me, and I am not getting younger.. Might help if I could actually spell, too (sigh).
I'm guessing that the inner pins are there instead of a spacer so you can put a wider wheel on (sand wheels maybe?). How sturdy where the legs over bumpy ground? Videos I've seen in the past they seemed to wobble quite a bit.
The sand wheels also require replacement legs, when I bought my wife's through ACK they said they would just fit the existing, but they no longer sell the wheels without the legs as a package. I returned the wheels - not worth $240 for the set up to me...
I'm want to install Boonedox Groovey Landing Gear on my 2014 Hobie Pro Angler 12. But I want to make sure I get the best 'version' available for my kayak. Any help would be appreciate! Thanks Ed C
What year is your Hobie? I have the 2020 360 PA 14. I'm Getting older and definitely looking for easier ways to launch and load my kayak. What exactly is the name of the landing gear or better yet do you have a link to order it on a website?
When the landing gears are down, do you have to lift the rudder so it does not get damaged or the Boonedox lifting the kayak high enough of the ground so the rudder does not drag on the ground? if it is lifting the kayak high enough off the ground, it will save me the worry of lifting the rudder while landing at the beach where there is high weaves.
Wish mine pull out that smooth. I really have to hit on the side or sometimes spent nearly 5mins to take the wheels off. Why couldn't they make it lock in with a safety pin in the first place..
So I didn't wrap the wire around the inside bar. I pushed it through the bolt hole then coiled it up so that it wouldn't pull through. This is why you need a really heavy gauge wire. Then I just pushed it back into the boat and pulled it out by hand. Hopefully that makes sense. I'll be redoing this with the new hardware on my Hobie 360 next week, so I'll try and get a better shot.
Did cut crossbar although after getting it done decided I probably did not have to. GAVE UP ON THE WIRE thing everyone uses. Drilled holes in boat the I screwed bolts through support bracket, bought 4 stainless steel washers/lock washers/nuts, and even with my short arms could reach inside, stick the bracket with the protruding bolts into the holes and grab them from above put the plastic gusset on and snug it down with a washer/lock washer/nut. Not counting the time to get the extra hardware ($4.11) it was a 10-15 job. Trying to line up those holes with the wire to get the bolt started is RIDICULOUS. No wonder the “instructions” (if you can call them that) do not give you a hint on how to do it 🤷♂️😳
It's a pain and a half to install, but someone commented here about these: www.kayakfishingsupplies.com/rigging-bullet-by-yakattack which may help. Also one of my bolts did come loose, but I found a replacement at a local hardware store, just add loctite to it. Also if you don't want to keep your wheels down while on the water (totally and option) I recommend you lubricate the leg inserts with silicone lube, otherwise they are a B**** to get in and out.
@@aaanglers Another quick question. I see 2 different sets of wheels. Air and no air. What ships w/ the PA kit. Anlo, you look to have both - which do you prefer. Air one look to be better and they float (if you should drop in water when on the water)
Check with them, but it is likely the non air tires. I was not a fan of the air tires honestly. Never had an issue dropping them in the water, but air tires were tough to put down in the water.
Thx for the vid. I like these but I haul alot of camping gear. These have 180lb rating. The Native wheel system has 300lbs. Big difference. And theyre cheaper which is surprising because for some reason when ever you put "Native" on stuff the price goes through the roof! It really comes down to your needs. I haul close to 100 lbs when I do my weekend getaways. My boat is close to 100lbs so I figured best go with the Native. But thx for the vid. I liked how you changed the wheels before you landed. Wish you would have shown the launch. Did yo have issues you didnt want to show? thx
Before the 360 drive came out, no. Now with the 360 out YES! I am actually going to upgrade to the PA 14 with 360 drive in June. I'll do a walkthrough on it too. Also the price difference from 12-14 is just kind of a no brainer to me now.
Well, I was loving my groovy landing gear until today when both knuckles spun out of the gussets and the landing gear collapsed. As far as I can tell the bolts going into the gussets might have loosened up enough to allow the backing plate enough slack to slip over the small tit that is on the gusset. After seeing this happen it strikes me that those small bolts and the plastic gussets may be way too small to handle the torque and weight of pulling the kayak on the wheels. It is a lot of stress and apparently, that is the week link. There are no lock washers with the kit and not a lot of room for them either. Not sure if lock tite would help.
Burly Fishing Good to know. I emailed them and will call when they are open. Glad to see they made an improvement and I’m not the only one that had a problem. It was a tough install for sure but didn’t think it had anything to do with my install job.
What do you guys think of the Boonedox Landing gear???
They look/sound cheap. Are they really hard plastic? It doesnt look like they would work well in sand either. Have you used them on the beach?
I have the new groovy version on my Titan... it looks nice. No issues with the plastic brackets yet... I liked the old version more. The groovy landing gear sticks A LOT. I’ve tried dry lube, grease, etc. hasn’t broke in yet I guess.
@@mackb3164 So I checked mine and it turned out that I had overtightened the bolts causing an indent in the knuckle. This made it hard to insert the wheel arm. I would double check your knuckles to see if they are damaged. Otherwise lube and leverage gets it done.
Burly Fishing I had an issue initially with my hardware constantly coming loose, so I added lock washers and locktite. But maybe I over tightened it. I’ll check...
Installed the landing gear on my Titan 2 years ago. No problems.
I DID cut the "excess" off the arm, where the wheels go. (Made it easier to pull-up the wheels, when on the water - OR lowering them...!)
Have a '20 PA12 and just bought the landing gear and couldn't find a recent install video for the PA. Thanks for posting, really helpful!
Awesome! Your welcome
Same here, have a pa14 360° and searching for installation help
After ONE trip on my PA 14 360 with the damn Balloon wheels!!! Pain in the ass flipping the boat on its side. I need those Boondocks!! They are on BACKORDER right now!!! I need that in my life.
Dude, it's life changing! I hope they get in stock for you soon! Go check out my NEWER install on the channel though when you do: ruclips.net/video/WPxZXXk9T7I/видео.html
I wouldn't void your warranty with the boondox, just do this with your beach wheels, ruclips.net/video/cIDmWKyX8xw/видео.html
Yes first good 12ft video. very helpful thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice video! Wished this video was out when I did my install a couple of months ago, it was not easy haha
Definitely a tough install! Glad you got it done though!
I just ordered the boonedox for my PA12 and will be using this video for the install.
Awesome man! I hope it helps!
The bungee cord is for holding the wheels together if you plan on traveling with the wheels still installed in the up position
Found that out towards the end. It’s in the last 2 min lol. At first I was like what the heck! 😂
Don't travel with wheels in place. did it once about 150 to replace an arm and tire
Great job. Thanks for the video!!
Thanks for watching!
@Burly Fishing.... Awesome video as usual. Thanks for posting these! I can't help wondering if we could mount it (with some hardware changes like new H rail with T groove) to the top of the rail rather than beneath the rail? It would be about 3-4" shorter when deployed, but much easier to install/remove, and no holes required. I wouldn't store it with the wheels in place (to reduce fatigue), but for short duration should be fine. btw loved your trick with using a wire to pull the bracket up. Not sure why I didn't think of that one. Tight lines!
Ooops... I should have read Nelson Peter's post first. I completely agree with him. Should have read all the responses first.
love the vids man keep it up
🙏
I had the original Boonedox Landing gear on my 2012 PA 14. It was flawless and worked great with a heavy load every time. This year 2017 PA 12 the new groovy style second outing snapped both plastic ears from binding up in some soft sand. And no I didn’t have any sand tires the sand had a soft spot. Basically the arms of the tires are like breaker bars and snapped both side of the ears off instantly. The old style setup hands down was and is the best Boonedox design in my opinion. Especially when it comes to a PA that has some weight.
100% agree! Boonedox had to update the plastic gussets and retro fit everyone. They sent me a new set to replace the plastic with metal gussets.
I really like your idea of the extra reinforcement. 👍🏼 I just ordered my 360 PA-14 and already received the groovy landing gear plus extra parts. Did you use the sealant between the backing plates and the boat as well? Why or why not? Ty
Just in the drilled holes. Nor reason not to, other than difficulty reaching that part of the boat. I think all plates are standard sized now, so if you have the HD hardware, you can always replace pieces no problem.
I'm still kind of on the fence about doing this to my pa 12 360 but if I decide to I'm definitely coming back to this video when I install it. Nice work!
It’s scary to drill holes in the kayak, but trust me, it’s worth it!
@@aaanglers It sure is! I installed the older landing gear on my 2017 outback I had a while ago. probably the most difficult install I've ever done.
It isn't easy, that is for sure! I had my fair share of angry outbursts off camera lol
Like you, I laughed when I got mine and tried to makes sense of the "instructions.". Boondox really needs to contract with a technical writer . . .
So true! Could be such a better product.
Very good video, I am going to order groover landing gear for my PA 14. Thanks
Nice video. Would you mind posting the Brand/Model of your track mounted GoPro camera mount?
It’s a Scotty mount
They should make a H rail adapter. So if you dont want to drill any holes you can just clip it to the H rail.
That’s what I was thinking. I have one on my 2018 PA 14 and it was a monster to install it under the H rail. You have to have extra long arms, although the wire trick works it was still very challenging.
I think I had the ultimate nightmare install on record. I have the first gen landing gear for my 2015 PA12. The bolts seemed too short to thread in. :( after a week of frustration I gave up.
:( Boonedox finally sent me some longer bolts that worked but, found out they were not stainless and started to rust. First time I used the sand wheels they would not come up. they were locked in place when under the water. Had to spend more money to buy the tuff wheels.
Never again-lol, I have moved on to the "Wilderness Systems cart" one cart for all my boats. :)
Did I miss it...? How did you detach the wire from the aluminum backing plate once you had the first bolt in place?
Push it back through, grab from the inside. I made an updated video on my channel
When you were installing, it looked like you took off the back and front parts of the rail for the spacers, but I did not see the center piece removed (where the rudder control is). Did I miss that, or do you just have the rials a half inch higher at each end? I had my boondox installed by the seller (who will remain nameless) on my Pro14and they said they could not install behind the seat because the rail was too low, so they stuck everything on the back of miner - done several years ago and I am sill o'oed. Gotta get that redone.
Yeah, behind the seat is the only way. You don't remove the center piece. The spacers are 1/2 in and the rail just bends to fit the boonedox under it.
@@aaanglers Thanks. Am going to take it back and have a second go at it. The current situation puts almost all the weight of the yak on me, and I am not getting younger.. Might help if I could actually spell, too (sigh).
I'm guessing that the inner pins are there instead of a spacer so you can put a wider wheel on (sand wheels maybe?). How sturdy where the legs over bumpy ground? Videos I've seen in the past they seemed to wobble quite a bit.
They do have sand wheels as an add on. The wheels didn’t seem to wobble much for me. It moved as smoothly as my other carts
The sand wheels also require replacement legs, when I bought my wife's through ACK they said they would just fit the existing, but they no longer sell the wheels without the legs as a package. I returned the wheels - not worth $240 for the set up to me...
Your Truck bed. Is that a short or extended bed? I have a short bed and wondering if transporting the 12’ pro angler will work.
I have a standard bed and it holds my 14 ft boat without the need for a hitch rack. So you should be fine.
Worst case you could get a hitch rack from Boonedox USA or someone to handle the overhang
I'm want to install Boonedox Groovey Landing Gear on my 2014 Hobie Pro Angler 12. But I want to make sure I get the best 'version' available for my kayak. Any help would be appreciate!
Thanks
Ed C
I'd call them, not sure what they have out now
What year is your Hobie? I have the 2020 360 PA 14. I'm Getting older and definitely looking for easier ways to launch and load my kayak. What exactly is the name of the landing gear or better yet do you have a link to order it on a website?
Mine is a 2020. Landing gear is Boonedox
When the landing gears are down, do you have to lift the rudder so it does not get damaged or the Boonedox lifting the kayak high enough of the ground so the rudder does not drag on the ground? if it is lifting the kayak high enough off the ground, it will save me the worry of lifting the rudder while landing at the beach where there is high weaves.
I always lift the rudder when landing
@@aaanglers but if u don’t lift the rudder, is there enough clearance if u left the rudder down?
I believe so yes
Wish mine pull out that smooth. I really have to hit on the side or sometimes spent nearly 5mins to take the wheels off. Why couldn't they make it lock in with a safety pin in the first place..
THey could definitely be better!
Would have liked to see you in the kayak putting the wheels in the up position.
Check out my second video: ruclips.net/video/WPxZXXk9T7I/видео.html
Had a hard time seeing it in the video, how did you end up getting the wire loose after you got the first side bolted down?
So I didn't wrap the wire around the inside bar. I pushed it through the bolt hole then coiled it up so that it wouldn't pull through. This is why you need a really heavy gauge wire. Then I just pushed it back into the boat and pulled it out by hand. Hopefully that makes sense. I'll be redoing this with the new hardware on my Hobie 360 next week, so I'll try and get a better shot.
He used string and a washer in his later video , much easier.. 👍
@@airwarrior5125 it was a game changer!
Nice add on
Thanks!
Nice video man
Thanks!
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Watched the entire video and I don’t even own a Kayak. Maybe soon.
Did cut crossbar although after getting it done decided I probably did not have to. GAVE UP ON THE WIRE thing everyone uses. Drilled holes in boat the I screwed bolts through support bracket, bought 4 stainless steel washers/lock washers/nuts, and even with my short arms could reach inside, stick the bracket with the protruding bolts into the holes and grab them from above put the plastic gusset on and snug it down with a washer/lock washer/nut. Not counting the time to get the extra hardware ($4.11) it was a 10-15 job. Trying to line up those holes with the wire to get the bolt started is RIDICULOUS. No wonder the “instructions” (if you can call them that) do not give you a hint on how to do it 🤷♂️😳
I feel your pain my friend!
lmao you had me rolling bro
Hi,
Can I have the link for the rod holder?
No idea which one you mean. I use a scotty mount, just amazon scotty kayak rod holder or yak attack kayak rod holder
At 5:32 how is your phone mirroring you but 2 seconds behind???
Classic go pro lag
any problems with this yet? im gonna be putting the heavy duty set u pon my pa 14 360 in a few weeks
It's a pain and a half to install, but someone commented here about these: www.kayakfishingsupplies.com/rigging-bullet-by-yakattack which may help. Also one of my bolts did come loose, but I found a replacement at a local hardware store, just add loctite to it. Also if you don't want to keep your wheels down while on the water (totally and option) I recommend you lubricate the leg inserts with silicone lube, otherwise they are a B**** to get in and out.
Did you have to cut the crosspiece? “Instructions” says that you have to?
No, in the newer models you don’t, unless you have a narrow boat. My Hobie is super wide, so no issues.
Mine’s a 2013, looks like I’ll have to cut about 2 inches off
Did you order the pre 2015 model? And you still need to cut?
Can someone direct me to the video where a string was used to install the inside the hull supports instead of the wire. TIA
Here ya go! ruclips.net/video/WPxZXXk9T7I/видео.html
@@aaanglers many thanks.
@@aaanglers Another quick question. I see 2 different sets of wheels. Air and no air. What ships w/ the PA kit. Anlo, you look to have both - which do you prefer. Air one look to be better and they float (if you should drop in water when on the water)
Check with them, but it is likely the non air tires. I was not a fan of the air tires honestly. Never had an issue dropping them in the water, but air tires were tough to put down in the water.
@@aaanglers Thanks again. I see your point. Saw another video where a guy said the buoyancy made the rails hard to get out.
Got a brand new set for an 18 Pa14 I’ve never installed
Thx for the vid. I like these but I haul alot of camping gear. These have 180lb rating. The Native wheel system has 300lbs. Big difference. And theyre cheaper which is surprising because for some reason when ever you put "Native" on stuff the price goes through the roof! It really comes down to your needs. I haul close to 100 lbs when I do my weekend getaways. My boat is close to 100lbs so I figured best go with the Native. But thx for the vid. I liked how you changed the wheels before you landed. Wish you would have shown the launch. Did yo have issues you didnt want to show? thx
The rail mount is a nice options! If there were a way to mount wheels to the H Rail on the Hobie that would be legit.
Do you ever wish you bought the 14' instead of the 12'?
Before the 360 drive came out, no. Now with the 360 out YES! I am actually going to upgrade to the PA 14 with 360 drive in June. I'll do a walkthrough on it too. Also the price difference from 12-14 is just kind of a no brainer to me now.
@@aaanglers I feel like I have no need for the 360MD since I fish mostly offshore and never tight areas or freshwater.
Yeah, the 180 is fine for that. I fish a lot of small water and tight rivers in current, so 360 is perfect for that
Well, I was loving my groovy landing gear until today when both knuckles spun out of the gussets and the landing gear collapsed. As far as I can tell the bolts going into the gussets might have loosened up enough to allow the backing plate enough slack to slip over the small tit that is on the gusset. After seeing this happen it strikes me that those small bolts and the plastic gussets may be way too small to handle the torque and weight of pulling the kayak on the wheels. It is a lot of stress and apparently, that is the week link. There are no lock washers with the kit and not a lot of room for them either. Not sure if lock tite would help.
So this happened to me too. Contacted boonedox and they sent me new hardware, which is metal and has lock washers. It’s way more solid now!
Burly Fishing Good to know. I emailed them and will call when they are open. Glad to see they made an improvement and I’m not the only one that had a problem. It was a tough install for sure but didn’t think it had anything to do with my install job.
@@1xenman nope, it was the plastic gussets. I'm installing them again on my new Hobie 360 and will post updated install tips
Drilling holes in a Hobie will void the Warranty. But maybe still worth it after the Warranty is expired.
I've had two hobies and never used the warranty... They are built really well. Also the newer boonedox are safe to use, no risk of pressure cracks
Get rid of the plastic gussets and get the updated metal ones
Good call. Will do
Burly Fishing I have an extra set. I’ll give them to you. Send me your email
Appreciate it man, info@burlyfishing.com
$340 now