Why wouldn’t people be spamming HO right now, it’s the best play style meta staple Bellossom is used on. Open your eyes people, Volcarona was never banned.
My hot take is that booster energy is the underlooked factor that is putting a significant amount of pressure on the meta. Free unrestricted scarf or free LO, and it doesn't matter if it goes away if you switch out because well, HO doesn't really care about that too much generally. More importantly this item has also skewed the speed tiers for this gen imo.
@@gezuo_o lack of diversity is this gens problem for me. They cut so many movesets this gen that most mons are restricted to really only run 1-2 sets. So many mons lost access to defog that hazard removal is really just limited to tusk, treads, and corv. Lando T used to switch in previous gens having me wonder whether it was scarf, z move, explosion, sash, plate, toxic, defog, etc. now he comes in and 90% of the time it’s just Helmet with EP, rocks, taunt, and u turn. So many mons can just switch in once get a free turn of set up whether it be a sub or boost and then just win from there. This gens OU is so bland that I really can’t bring myself to play too much of it and just spend most my time in NatDex
despite all the bans that has happened, i think one of the true culprits of sv ou power creep is booster energy, especially since booster energy is only used on those min/maxed paradox mons, it just makes the broken even more broken, & if booster was banned, then i think the metagame would be veryyyyyy different
Nice to see a new video from you. I also recognized that lately. But at the end of the day, no ho team can break Avalugg, its time guys, now or never, trust me I am a OU connoisseur myselfe
@@hoovybeast0594 I also see it like that, and I have quite a funny experience with it. Once had a Kingambit tera Flying to set up a swords dance in front of mine while I tried to use Low Kick. Luckily my Kingambit was faster, its Sucker Punch knocked my opponent down to 24% health while being healthy enough to live a Kowtow Cleave, so it switched out. Later I managed to set up a Stealth Rock late game since I had nothing better to do in that moment, and thus the Kingambit died immediately upon switching in due to tera Flying. Really, even saving Tera for late game can't 100% save your ass if you can't guarantee to OHKO the rest.
Also set up is extremely easy when you have Tera and a free boost to any stat you want with booster energy. Yea man shits kinda easy and punishing for the opponent
I personally really like HO, it is a bit annoying facing it sometimes but i like playing it myself, but yeah some mons are pretty problematic that make HO good
Very informative vid, but I don't think it reallys answer why HO is seeing more usage _now_ than before. Is it a playerbase mentality thing? Are people tired of trying to build/play more sound playstyles in this unstable environment? Do they simply appreciate the objective strengths of HO more? Or is it something else entirely?
Basically just that existing tools (Ogerpon, Kyurem, Darkrai) were optimized and make building balanced styles so difficult that it's much easier to build and play HO. That and just metagame trends, sometimes certain playstyles become popular
When bloodmoon ursa and ninetails alola was released i made a HO team with it and invented assault vest bloodmoon ursaluna and became top 10 in ou without effort
Hey Pinkacross i really enjoy watching your videos and streams. The last few days i tried out a choice band scizor team and i like playing it a lot, but i feel like there is some potential that i can't unleash yet. So i'd love to see you building and battling with cb scizor if possible. Keep up the great content :)
I hope kyurem goes people seem split but a lot of people who are planning to vote ban haven’t even posted on the forums and just posted their reqs. I almost ended up going for reqs only to realize I had no free time to do so
HO has been the best playstyle for most of SV. There are too many balance breakers running around, and stall is trash. Gholdengo keeps hazards on the field even when the opponent doesn't use it because most hazard removal can't handle it. HO has the best matchup vs hazard stack and also loves to run hazard stack.
Hello, do you think HO is the most suitable playstyle to newcomers in most generations of OU? It may not be the best, but I feel it's very intuitive, so you can learn later about defensive threats such as SkarmBliss, Toxapex or Gliscor 🤔
it's looking like kyurem is here to stay, and if that doesn't get banned, then i really don't think anythng else has a chance other than maybe tera blast (hopefully) and gliscor (sd had a dominant olt showing). sv has been really fun tho, love the novelty of this gen
While total meta diversity is down (but increasing), HO diversity is up! There are a lot of viable styles and almost everything in the tier can fit on HO. It's quite fun.
It needs to Tera to avoid a Fairy move OHKO, and dedicating your Tera to a mediocre Bulk Up user when you could use it on a monster like Zama, Kyurem, Iron Moth, etc. instead has high opportunity cost.
HO killed SV for me honestly. Sending in setup mon after setup mon in the same sequence over and over takes no skill and is extremely boring to play with or against. Gone are the days when games were usually decided by who has the best doubles or predictions. Now it’s whoever has the better matchup / rng / tera
If you don't like HO then play literally any other playstyle. SV, as a format, has skill, and people objecting to that fact probably either aren't very good or rely on luck too much.
@@twilightsilver6230 Nah, he’s right though. The amount of HO in SV OU makes team building less creative and the meta gets stale. There were consistent 1200s players getting to the 1800s in like a week just by using the #1 rank HO team at the time. I’ve consistently been laddering on the 1800s - 1900s using horrible Pokémon on HO like cramorant, hitmonlee, scovillain, and revaroom, and winning against top 100 players just because I had the better match up with HO. He’s not saying the whole tier has no skill but this meta considerably takes the least amount of skill compared to past generations.
@@twilightsilver6230 I don’t like how stale the meta was because of HO, therefore I use horrible Pokémon like I mentioned to make up for that. It’s not that HO is problematic, it’s just too overwhelmingly good that team diversity is less. It makes the meta less fun to play.
@@LOgo-cv9ur every playstyle in OU is viable except stall, not just HO. If you play a style that does well into HO, you'll never have to play real games against it. I don't see the problem I'm ngl
Hey bulky attack is impossible to counter there just slow and have everything else all stats all coverage and can’t really be OHKO’d. OH is time sensitive 3x20min games is just hard to rank up it’s so slow.
...Should Tera have been banned? Would it have prevented so many of the past OU bans of this gen? Perhaps. I would love to see a non-Tera ladder with none of the bans from beginning of SV OU, but including the DLC Dex additions, just to see what metagame develops.
play a teamstyle other than balance for a while then. that way you can better understand the strengths and weaknesses of balance teams when you play against them.
I don't play by crygon rules 😂 but from playing cart wifi 6v6 singles it's full of "hazards lead and 5 booster proto mons" and it's fucking cancer IMO. Most battles just turn into "if you don't have the stats to take 2 hits, your team loses". Yeah I beat those asses with legendaries, but when I'm not using legendaries and/or proto mons, it's basically instant loss cuz my shit comes into the field losing 12-25% health and being outsped and ohko by these asinine pokemon. Roaring moon, flutter mane, iron bundle, iron moth, and iron valiant being the most common. But w/e, I understand it's my fault for not using the damn things myself (at least for those losses where I choose not to use them,) but it find it frustrating that the game is mostly boiled down to legends + proto mons. I've completely demolished fat teams with fissure dozo and dumb shit like that, there's just no stopping the sheer offense creep this gen.
Luckily Bulky offense and regular offense are still more consistent and overall better styles in the meta. But honestly I do largely blaim sash glimora and it's splashabilty on any HO team to be one of the main enablers of the playstyle as a whole this gen.
Gen9 is silly. Kingambit, and pre damage priority moves ruin game really. Open team sheets are dumb. Less skill and brain power used. If people like it fine. But the constant bans tell their own story
Why wouldn’t people be spamming HO right now, it’s the best play style meta staple Bellossom is used on. Open your eyes people, Volcarona was never banned.
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My hot take is that booster energy is the underlooked factor that is putting a significant amount of pressure on the meta. Free unrestricted scarf or free LO, and it doesn't matter if it goes away if you switch out because well, HO doesn't really care about that too much generally. More importantly this item has also skewed the speed tiers for this gen imo.
100% this. It needs action.
Weirdly, I’ve never actually considered Booster being problematic but it’s an interesting thought for sure
@@edsbegaming507it ruins a lot of potential diversity which ive never thought about
"free"
@@gezuo_o lack of diversity is this gens problem for me. They cut so many movesets this gen that most mons are restricted to really only run 1-2 sets. So many mons lost access to defog that hazard removal is really just limited to tusk, treads, and corv. Lando T used to switch in previous gens having me wonder whether it was scarf, z move, explosion, sash, plate, toxic, defog, etc. now he comes in and 90% of the time it’s just Helmet with EP, rocks, taunt, and u turn. So many mons can just switch in once get a free turn of set up whether it be a sub or boost and then just win from there. This gens OU is so bland that I really can’t bring myself to play too much of it and just spend most my time in NatDex
despite all the bans that has happened, i think one of the true culprits of sv ou power creep is booster energy, especially since booster energy is only used on those min/maxed paradox mons, it just makes the broken even more broken, & if booster was banned, then i think the metagame would be veryyyyyy different
Booster IS very good for HO, true, but it also creates more HO diversity
Nice to see a new video from you. I also recognized that lately.
But at the end of the day, no ho team can break Avalugg, its time guys, now or never, trust me I am a OU connoisseur myselfe
Remember kids, never exhaust before the enemy
Before watching the video : the tera gives you at least one free set up turn
It can be punished later on, with smart defensive play and if you have the counter. That's how i see it
@@hoovybeast0594 I also see it like that, and I have quite a funny experience with it. Once had a Kingambit tera Flying to set up a swords dance in front of mine while I tried to use Low Kick. Luckily my Kingambit was faster, its Sucker Punch knocked my opponent down to 24% health while being healthy enough to live a Kowtow Cleave, so it switched out. Later I managed to set up a Stealth Rock late game since I had nothing better to do in that moment, and thus the Kingambit died immediately upon switching in due to tera Flying. Really, even saving Tera for late game can't 100% save your ass if you can't guarantee to OHKO the rest.
Suicide lead->click set up move or substitute-> click attacking move-> repeat
Also set up is extremely easy when you have Tera and a free boost to any stat you want with booster energy. Yea man shits kinda easy and punishing for the opponent
stall: set hazard --> switch between which Regenerator mon lives the hit --> repeat
I personally really like HO, it is a bit annoying facing it sometimes but i like playing it myself, but yeah some mons are pretty problematic that make HO good
Crazy to think we can say this about HO but NOT about stall
HO is fun, yea, MU fishy for sure but if you prepare for it, it's not too bad (usually)
Very informative vid, but I don't think it reallys answer why HO is seeing more usage _now_ than before. Is it a playerbase mentality thing? Are people tired of trying to build/play more sound playstyles in this unstable environment? Do they simply appreciate the objective strengths of HO more? Or is it something else entirely?
Booster energy + Tera favors offense. It’s probably just really fun to them.
Basically just that existing tools (Ogerpon, Kyurem, Darkrai) were optimized and make building balanced styles so difficult that it's much easier to build and play HO. That and just metagame trends, sometimes certain playstyles become popular
Ole Williams was so unlucky in the background
Gamefreak already thought of this and blessed us with the mirror herb, we are just too blind to see it.
When bloodmoon ursa and ninetails alola was released i made a HO team with it and invented assault vest bloodmoon ursaluna and became top 10 in ou without effort
Ho was always good in this gen
Hey Pinkacross i really enjoy watching your videos and streams. The last few days i tried out a choice band scizor team and i like playing it a lot, but i feel like there is some potential that i can't unleash yet.
So i'd love to see you building and battling with cb scizor if possible.
Keep up the great content :)
Scizor stream will likely happen at some point! It seems like a good pokemon.
Feels like gen 5 all over again, we got two box legendaries in the tier, and crazy mythicals
Didn’t watch the video but: Tera
Nice video with fsg this week!
Thanks! :D
Hyper Offense always goes up and down in viability. Like Ribombee can either be RU or OU depending on how the ladder feels
Yea HO fluctuates a lot
Gotta admit, I get excited every time you upload
That's great! :D
HO is op af we need more HO answers
because the meta is broken. simple as.
Yea kinda
I didn't choose webs ho, webs ho chose me
I hope gen 10 makes more Ferrothorn / Toxapex kind of mons
Also while Tera has been fun I cant wait for it to go away!
I hope kyurem goes people seem split but a lot of people who are planning to vote ban haven’t even posted on the forums and just posted their reqs.
I almost ended up going for reqs only to realize I had no free time to do so
Yea same, absolutely no time-- or rather, it wasn't enough of a priority. Hopefully it gets banned though!
I play HO because I have a job. I can’t play 500 turns stall matches at work.
facts
I've been requesting Joey for 28 days to play solar blade gallade (still in progress) can u build around that thing?
I suppose I could? I'd imagine Solar Blade is sharpness boosted, but it's not really worth it still. Grass coverage is pretty bad.
HO has been the best playstyle for most of SV. There are too many balance breakers running around, and stall is trash. Gholdengo keeps hazards on the field even when the opponent doesn't use it because most hazard removal can't handle it. HO has the best matchup vs hazard stack and also loves to run hazard stack.
Honestly I've noticed this a lot too
Hello, do you think HO is the most suitable playstyle to newcomers in most generations of OU? It may not be the best, but I feel it's very intuitive, so you can learn later about defensive threats such as SkarmBliss, Toxapex or Gliscor 🤔
It's probably the easiest playstyle for newer players, but they shouldn't play it for TOO long or it will impede the process of learning
@@pinkacross2042 Thank you for your answer! 😍
Because Iron Moth is the GOAT, next question
Real question is what happened to stall sableye on Stall teams and hyper cuter gliscor on HO
Hyper Cutter Gliscor on HO was never a thing
@@pinkacross2042 That was a joke because of the world "hyper" XD
it's looking like kyurem is here to stay, and if that doesn't get banned, then i really don't think anythng else has a chance other than maybe tera blast (hopefully) and gliscor (sd had a dominant olt showing). sv has been really fun tho, love the novelty of this gen
Hopefully we get Gliscor gone now that Kyu is gone!
this is why is stopped playing ou in 9g, all the pokemons are op and its boring to always see the same poke
While total meta diversity is down (but increasing), HO diversity is up! There are a lot of viable styles and almost everything in the tier can fit on HO. It's quite fun.
I’m surprised HO wasn’t always the staple strategy with proto mons getting a free +1 atk or speed
why is no one using scrafty in OU
It needs to Tera to avoid a Fairy move OHKO, and dedicating your Tera to a mediocre Bulk Up user when you could use it on a monster like Zama, Kyurem, Iron Moth, etc. instead has high opportunity cost.
@@luckylucas8596 ok what about vivillon
clodsire better
Perfect answer from luckylucas.
HO killed SV for me honestly. Sending in setup mon after setup mon in the same sequence over and over takes no skill and is extremely boring to play with or against. Gone are the days when games were usually decided by who has the best doubles or predictions. Now it’s whoever has the better matchup / rng / tera
If you don't like HO then play literally any other playstyle. SV, as a format, has skill, and people objecting to that fact probably either aren't very good or rely on luck too much.
@@twilightsilver6230 Nah, he’s right though. The amount of HO in SV OU makes team building less creative and the meta gets stale. There were consistent 1200s players getting to the 1800s in like a week just by using the #1 rank HO team at the time. I’ve consistently been laddering on the 1800s - 1900s using horrible Pokémon on HO like cramorant, hitmonlee, scovillain, and revaroom, and winning against top 100 players just because I had the better match up with HO. He’s not saying the whole tier has no skill but this meta considerably takes the least amount of skill compared to past generations.
@@LOgo-cv9ur if you don't like HO, just play something that beats HO, like bulky balance, stall, etc. There's still skill in SV.
@@twilightsilver6230 I don’t like how stale the meta was because of HO, therefore I use horrible Pokémon like I mentioned to make up for that. It’s not that HO is problematic, it’s just too overwhelmingly good that team diversity is less. It makes the meta less fun to play.
@@LOgo-cv9ur every playstyle in OU is viable except stall, not just HO. If you play a style that does well into HO, you'll never have to play real games against it. I don't see the problem I'm ngl
So basically we all should just play stall so we can counter it
No lol, Stall is good against HO but bad against pretty much every other playstyle
cool vid bro
Right now? Maybe one month ago, now balanced and hazard stack
Balance teams are absolutely NOT dominating (maybe now with Kyu ban tho).
@@pinkacross2042 in tours yes, ladder idk
Hey bulky attack is impossible to counter there just slow and have everything else all stats all coverage and can’t really be OHKO’d. OH is time sensitive 3x20min games is just hard to rank up it’s so slow.
...Should Tera have been banned? Would it have prevented so many of the past OU bans of this gen? Perhaps. I would love to see a non-Tera ladder with none of the bans from beginning of SV OU, but including the DLC Dex additions, just to see what metagame develops.
I would prefer a Tera ban but it won't happen. At this point it's part of SV identity
What if Gliscor gets banned after Kyurem? Would that help HO significantly or not matter much?
Not matter much I'd say. Hurt slightly probably since HO handles SD scor quite well.
Have you seen AAA tho???
if i see another prankster corv im gonna scream
@@hypphen I'M NOT GONNA SUGARCOAT IT
LIGHT SCREEN -> REFLECT -> UTURN -> MOLTRES-GALAR -> NASTY PLOT -> LIGHTNING ROD -> AGILITY -> HURRICANE -> FIERY WRATH -> MANAPHY -> ACID ARMOR -> TAKE HEART -> TAKE HEART -> STORED POWER -> STORED POWER -> STORED POWER -> STORED POWER
@@TrulyAtrocious AAAAA MAKE IT STOPPP
Will you use inteleon in ou? I am using it currently and it is one of the best mons I am using ever
Inteleon is... not good. Might try it though?
@@pinkacross2042 Those snipe shots be hitting hard
I've given up trying to build in this generation. I only play balance and it seems impossible to build a good one right now.
play a teamstyle other than balance for a while then. that way you can better understand the strengths and weaknesses of balance teams when you play against them.
With Kyu banned, it's now much easier!
Idk it’s kinda fun.
Its good
true
Booster energy needs banning honestly. And an item clause
What are you planning to ban next? Honestly I blame Kyurem ban mostly on you and I don't mean it in a good way
Hopefully Gliscor! And thanks! :D
@@pinkacross2042 keep banning , I have quit already idc
real talk was ho ever really bad this gen? the spikes stacking era was less than kind to it but also didn't last very long
I mean spike stack is a real problem in gen 5 as well, but ho has never been this bad
Spikes stacking was HO itself.
HO was never bad, but it's had low points.
I hope Zamazenta get banned and Gouging Fire and Palfin get unbanned
Tera right?
Partly!
TL;DR Kyurem
Yea Kyu and Oger definitely do make HO more popular by making other styles worse
I don't play by crygon rules 😂 but from playing cart wifi 6v6 singles it's full of "hazards lead and 5 booster proto mons" and it's fucking cancer IMO. Most battles just turn into "if you don't have the stats to take 2 hits, your team loses".
Yeah I beat those asses with legendaries, but when I'm not using legendaries and/or proto mons, it's basically instant loss cuz my shit comes into the field losing 12-25% health and being outsped and ohko by these asinine pokemon. Roaring moon, flutter mane, iron bundle, iron moth, and iron valiant being the most common.
But w/e, I understand it's my fault for not using the damn things myself (at least for those losses where I choose not to use them,) but it find it frustrating that the game is mostly boiled down to legends + proto mons. I've completely demolished fat teams with fissure dozo and dumb shit like that, there's just no stopping the sheer offense creep this gen.
Wow
Luckily Bulky offense and regular offense are still more consistent and overall better styles in the meta.
But honestly I do largely blaim sash glimora and it's splashabilty on any HO team to be one of the main enablers of the playstyle as a whole this gen.
Gen9 is silly. Kingambit, and pre damage priority moves ruin game really. Open team sheets are dumb. Less skill and brain power used. If people like it fine. But the constant bans tell their own story
open team sheets???????????
@@romablumen1080 just happened in VGC this gen. I think because people couldn't handle the possibilities and combos of what can be put on teams now
@@tomyoung9202 you're not conflating VGC and smogon, are you? talking about open team sheets and ban waves in the same sentence is kind of...
Yeah, I see what you mean. But it's more the time it's all happening.
This is why Gen 8 better
facts
Sv ou has given me a new hatred for ho
Interesting, it's made me like HO more!
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pinkaccross ur discord link doesn't work so can u put the link in ur description?
Added!
@@pinkacross2042 thx