after i got injected woth the pinkacross super serum, i peaked at 9999 on the OU ladder with a team consisting of avalugg, cherrim, lumineon, simisear, electrode and wyrdeer, thanks pinkacross.
Honestly id say tera steel Avalugg stall is the best team style and it truly luggs all over OU. Truly a shame that you forgot about this insanely dominating playstyle.
Pinkacross, what do you think of SD Overqwill on rain teams? Unlike other Swift Swimmers, it dominates Rillaboom, and also is not to afraid of Kingambit’s Sucker Punch. With Tera Stellar, it can abuse a boost to both its stabs, as well as Liquidation, while still keeping its phenomenal base typing. Clear Amulet allows it to ignore speed drops from Sticky Web, as well as avoid Intimidate pivoting from Lando-T. It’s main problem imo is finding the spot to SD, but if it’s able to do so, it can be a nasty sweeper.
Very clever, and I think Tera Stellar is a very smart move on Overquil as well. It also provides the nice utility of absorbing Toxic Spikes. The only problem is how difficult it is to fit pokemon onto Rain. Rain needs Peli + Skewda/Legion + Treads + Rbolt, now we're down to 2 slots. For these last 2, can Overquil be justified over strong pokemon like Kingambit, Moltres, Tornadus, Kingdra, etc.? Maybe so, I'll give it a try!
As somebody that has used overqwil in OU on rain teams, it's definitely great. +2 LO hits are definitely powerful and it can be used as a pseudo steel type to help deal with grass types. You can also run aqua jet on it in order to free it up on barra, allowing it to run ice fang to destroy its usual checks.
Few people know this but Pinkacross actually got his name from Pinkurchin (its legs form the shape of a cross) It's impressive how you're responding to every comment, that involvement is inspiring. Hopefully you get 1 million subscribers tomorrow such that interacting with every comment is no longer feasible and you can save a couple hours of your day 😅
Haha it's no problem, responding to comments takes me like 10 minutes a day and I do it to relax while putting on some music. As for my name origin... it's about Shiny Heracross but I think you knew that lol
Glad you liked them! Yea BO and Balance are definitely strong this generation, balance is a bit weaker than usual but it'll probably continue to improve as the metagame progresses!
I would love if you remade this in 6 months to a year, as I think there will be a ton of development in the meantime and I’d love to be able to juxtapose them
@@pinkacross2042 SubZero Used is the unofficial tier below ZeroUsed. It's been a thing since around ORAS/USUM but it's gained more notoriety this generation. I tend to joke around with Anna here coz they own SU and I just noticed the comment here. This is more of a simplified explanation of it, but if you would like more in detailed information, lmk!
Great video as always! Sad to see playstyles as gimmicky as misty terrain but not snow. It could be as simple as gslowking + kyurem, but there are other options such as a-nintetales, weather ball lando, a-sandslash, etc. Cinderace can help those teams as well.
I don't consider Glowking + Kyurem to be a snow team, and I didn't consider Sandslash + Icy Rock Abomasnow / Tales to be worth reviewing since it's so rare. I would probably give it a 3/10 though.
As a hyper offense user, im happy that its actually viable. Tho I use hydrapple in hyper offense because I need atleast a tank, so I use assault vest and just spam fickle beam or use infestation on a heatran to counter it (because I have AV).
You know of all the evergreen content on your channel , I think this video is the greenest of them all. Yes a lot of time was spend covering niche styles no one really uses like electric terrian. I think where you really started to cook in this was that stretch of three segments where you were really going into the juicy minutias of the difference between balence and offense and how the bulky prefix mofify these playstyles. The explanations of the slight differences in gameplan and wincons that each flavor or balence and offense hopes to achieve. I think it could do you well to isolate that topic, the different flavors or balence, and expand it into its own video. Since the prinicipal behind building balence teams is universally applicable to every format and every gen.
I really enjoyed this video, and a big fan of your content in general! I looked at the Iron Crown set and I was interested by the AV? What matchups/mons is the crown looking for with that set?
Glad you enjoyed the video! As for the Iron Crown, I can't say for sure. That was one of the few teams in the video that I did not create, and I am honestly not a huge fan of that team.
I actually ran Houndstone over Excadrill on a sand team, and I found it to be ok. Yeah, it is much slower and weaker, but there are some good points I see for Hound. 1- Houndstone has much better synergy with Tyranitar when it comes to typing, as it can come in on fighters for Tar, while Tar can check Ghost and perhaps Dark types for hound. 2- Despite being weaker, Houndstone is still plenty strong, and Poltergeist is much more spammable, which means it gets to do more consistent damage. It also has Shadow Sneak, which is good priority. 3- Tar can help Hound get around physically bulky treats, like Skarmory, Corviknight, Great Tusk and Lando-T, via special Fire and Ice coverage. Meanwhile, Houndstone can bluff CB using Spell Tag, and use Will-O-Wisp to cripple opponents, and help Tar, giving it a better match-up into physical attackers. Even with these factors, I think building around sand is very difficult, even more than Snow (Alolan Ninetales is, surprisingly, a very solid check to Weavile and Kyurem). I think sand currently lacks consistently powerful abusers, and also, the OU meta is just to threatening to TTar, which makes sand tougher to work with, specially when you are essentially limited to 3 Tera types that won’t give your setter a tough time on its own weather.
Interesting, thanks for giving me the info on Houndstone. I don't think it's viable but I think you've probably selected the best possible set for it with Spell Tag Poltergeist + Wisp
@@pinkacross2042 thnx Pinkacross. I think it really isn’t that viable, as in almost all matches, it was either doing very little for progress, or it was cleaning up a weakened team late game. It it was just a bit faster and stronger, I’ld say it would be better.
I wish they would buff electric Terrain overall. Maybe some more Pokémon who benefit from it lime Alolan Raichu, or moves which gets boosted or increase secondary effects of electric moves. Or even maybe make steel types immune to ground attk (because of magnetism) .
Have you considered doing a ranking/tierlist of every viable OU pokemon? (Including lower tier pokemon that are usable in OU) Curious about your thoughts on that.
Bro screens and webs and trick room and calm mind max defence or bulk up max special defence or tailwind or extreme speed those types are all way more important than if the team is bulky or not
What is my answer for an offensive gliscor when using the bulky balance team? I'm pretty new and I have a hard time against it. Banger video as per usual 👍
Great list overall, although you're vastly underestimating the potential of sand imo. Sand is only really locked into Ttar and Exca, both of which really aren't that bad compared to Pelipper or Torkoal. From there sand can have a lot of variation to cover different meta threats and I've seen successful builds that all look quite different. That aside, I also think Ttar and Exca have some nice variation themselves, Ttar having a vast movepool to work with accentuated by Knock off and Excadrill providing a great spinner under sand. Speaking of, I also think trying to Exca work as a sole sweeper in a meta infested with Dondozo, Corviknight, Skarmory, Ting Lu etc just doesn't work and it better works as a great revenge killer and cleaner late game. That way I find that it generally doesn't need to tera that often. The tera blast sets aren't that good imo, Eq Iron head Rapid spin filler are the way to go. As for other options, unlike sun or rain which struggle to fit in important resists or roles like removal, ghost resist, ground resist etc sand has a lot of options it can viable choose between to cover weaknesses like Rotom wash, Skarmory, Dragapult, Primarina, Great Tusk, Kingambit, Torn-T, Lando-T, Goodra-Hisui, Gholdengo, Gliscor, Alomomola, Heatran and even stuff that doesn't look like it fits but actually works quite well like Rillaboom (In which case you'd run high horsepower on drill) My rambling aside great vid as always!
You make good points on the matter of Sand, perhaps I am too harsh on it. That being said, the general lack of success of sand teams is rather suspicious. On paper it should be a solid weather, and yet it has had very few successful builds. Still, it's certainly a playstyle I'll try to develop in the future. I believe it is viable and I'd like to make a great team with it. :]
@@pinkacross2042 Yeah that lack of successful builds does make your point stand out more. I personally think there's room for more experimentation, but for now yeah you're right for sure
Snow teams aren't real as far as I know, but I'd give them a 2/10 maybe? No good Slush Rush pokemon, and Kyurem doesn't really need an A-Ninetales/Abomasnow since it could just use Glowking instead.
If Grassy Terrain is 7, Misty and Psychic are 3, and Electric is 1... clearly the best team style is to run all of them on the same team for a total score of 14! All four setters with terrain extenders of course, and to counter Ice Spinner Great Tusk, use your fifth slot to run your own Great Tusk to remove the terrain first!
I'm surprised you ranked stall so low when I semi-regularly see stall RMTs that peaked at #1 on ladder. Is that just due to random noise or are ladder peaks a poor indicator of a playstyle's strength?
Great question! Stall teams are often successful on ladder because they are very good at counterteaming, and you can curate your stall teams to beat whatever is popular at a given time. This also gives them a lot of consistency on ladder. For example, if Sun is popular at a given time, perhaps you can make your Blissey Tera Water. If you lose to a mixed Dragapult team, you can make your Blissey Tera Fairy for the next game. The famous Hydrapple stall worked well because it countered popular SD Gliscor and HDB Meowscarada teams that were popular at the time. Various changes like this, small adjustments, are very good for climbing on ladder. Furthermore, a lot of people just don't prepare for stall which leads to it peaking #1 more often. On top of that, a lot of very dedicated players just happen to be trying hard to make stall work, and there's an entire discord full of people trying to build and peak #1 with stall teams.
I'm on the fence, I've run EQ + Knock in the past but I'm leaning toward saying Knock + Facade is better, since it beats other SD Gliscor and Tera Normal on defensive sets walls mixed Dragapult.
Unfortunately I can't say for sure, a lot of why hazard stack is so strong in OU is because of the options we have, pokemon like Gliscor, Clefable, Skarmory, etc. I would recommend asking the community in the respective tier rooms on Showdown to see if hazard stack is good!
@@pinkacross2042 yeah I just talked to the RU rater, he said that it's technically difficult to apply in RU since the ghost types are too limited in the tier. So Imma have to readjust my team style.
excellent video and breakdown. just wanted to say, wrt electric terrain, raging bolt with rising voltage and eject button + memento pincurchin to position it can be really spooky, esp if you pair it further with something like lucha. i think the playstyle has a smidge more flexibility than you give it credit for, but you're absolutely right that it isn't super reliant.
Eject button is interesting, haven't seen that yet. I don't doubt that there are OK electric terrain teams out there, probably some of them could reach 2000s even. That being said... I don't think there are any GREAT electric terrain teams out there. Not a single one. That's what makes it a 1/10 for me, I don't think there are any great teams and I don't think one will ever be made (in gen 9 at least). I'd love to be proven wrong though! I'm glad you enjoyed the video as well, and thank you for the idea! :]
Terrible. Very very bad, super cheese, they can work but there's no real reason to run them. I'd say 3/10. I'd love to be wrong but I've tried alolaslash snow and it just disappointed in every way.
I find it interesting that the very presence of Gholdengo has allowed hazard spam to stay as one of the best archetypes in this generation. Good as Gold and Steel/Ghost make it terribly ditfficult to deal with as both Defog and Rapid Spin get blocked by it. Additionally, Gliscor getting spikes only furthers this archetype's potential. I don't think they are strong enough to be banned, but I'm tired of it.
Gliscor is certainly a big part of the success of hazard stack, but funny enough a lot of hazard stack teams no longer use Gholdengo, but rather Dragapult or some other random ghost type. Since Corviknight is really the only defogger, you can just structure your team to pressure Corviknight. That being said, even when a team doesn't use Gholdengo, the existence of it benefits them by making Defog less common.
In Natdex OU, if I'm feeling it, I run a hybrid rain/elec terrain team. It helps since Tapu Koko exists, and isn't just a dedicated setter. Rain teams already run Iron Valiant and Iron Treads a lot, so I can run an item on Valiant and Icium-Z on Iron Treads (common natdex strat to run Icium-Z on paradox donphans to beat Gliscor and Landorus-T). It's very weak against Rillaboom, but I can usually play against it. Edit: Oh yeah and Archaludon exists in Natdex OU. Crazy BP boost on Electro Shot and as a bonus it can often deal with Rillaboom. Only downside is I have to run Tera Fairy instead of Tera Flying. Rain is better in Natdex since M-Swampert exists. I don't see many people running this set often, but Swampert did gain Bulk Up this gen.
@@pinkacross2042 i primarily play natdex, there is lots of fun stuff that isn't present in base OU. landorus' scarf sets are viable again, swords dance gliscor is powerful and not cringe, and lots of cool mons like mega tyranitar and mega scizor are good choices and coexist with the new picks like raging bolt. it is kind of a noob bait tier because it attracts people that just want to use their favorite pokemon so you'll find ? sets even in the 1600s, but other than that it's a great time and my favorite tier
It'd be cool if trick room gave the slower mon +2 priority or something instead of just switching speeds but trick room is cracked in doubles so they don't got the balls to buff it Also I'm once again suggesting for pincurchin to get +50 on it's hp stat and no other changes
I found some team Dasmer has been playing with through the replay channel. Im only a 1200 player so I been struggling to succeed consistently with it. Turns out its literally a hazard stack bulky balance team 😭😭😭damn im ass
There's nothing to be embarrassed about! Bulky balance hazard stack is one of the most difficult archetypes to play and it takes A LOT of practice and metagame awareness. You need to know when to stack, when to go on the offensive, how to limit your opponent's removal options... a lot of these things become flow-charty when you have a lot of experience, but for newer players I'd say this is easily the hardest playstyle to pull off. I'd recommend using Balance and Offense teams to practice, and try bulky hstack once you're a bit higher on ladder. :] Good luck!
You forgeted one team style and that is "the pokemon looked cool so i putted them on the team" also i ran into a guy that used talonflame stall and cooked him up with a team off the week
I've seen far more misty terrain than I have snow... unless you consider Glowking + Kyurem to be snow, which I don't. I've tested snow and it performed very poorly in many variations, I'd say snow would probably be a 3/10
Question, what was the point of the Tera Ghost Tera Blast Dragapult at 16:25? I don't believe Ditto is very common right now, so is there another reason to run that over Shadow Ball? Even if you're still Tera Ghost, the two moves have the same BP.
@@pinkacross2042 True. Even hyper-offence can straight-up beat stall with a kingambit+taunt moon or psyshock CM Valiant. Stall just doesn't have enough answers to threats this gen.
More offensive teams are more defensively fragile, which makes them more challenging because you have less of a defensive backbone to fall back on. However, HO is OK with sacking pokemon so it's more forgiving of mistakes. Offense is unforgiving AND has little to no defensive backbone.
Thanks for making informational vids like these pink, I now know what team archetype to try to build next. Also, I learned the amazing look of gen 3 shiny heracross and am now spamming heracross offence on the gen 3 ou ladder.
Your videos are amazing. I been trying to get better at competitive singles. I hate that wile I’m trying to get better at that & figure out what Pokémon are good. Most other videos are mentioning weaker Pokemon that are only good in double battles smh do you have a discord server? Or are you on discord? I’m thinking about hosting a tournament. After i get better.
@@pinkacross2042 i sent you a request I’m TPCtyquan i like playing competitive I’m just not one to copy & paste a meta winning team. I like understanding the game on a competitive level & then build my team a bit different then what everyone else is using. Like how you or other champion players can see the potential of underused Pokémon & win a tournament with it or rank high on ladder with it without having to wait for another player to discover the strategy & play test it 1st. I like the ou rules just no legendary or one per team to give other weaker Pokemon a chance to shine. But if I’m already at a disadvantage by not picking the most used Pokemon. Your team building & play style tips is need to help me bridge the gap
7.5/10. It's the second to last archetype ranked in the video. All semistall is hazard stack (that I've ever seen) so I didn't bother creating a standard semistall category.
@@nathanhayward7162 Yes, that's called playstyle mixing and to be honest it is notoriously unviable. You end up with a team that does nothing particularly well. There is no defined playstyle for what you're describing, it would just be called a mix of HO and stall.
I feel like your videos (and this video in particular) are quite "watcher unfriendly". You talk about the different archtypes and and there is no noteable indication that the next one is about to start, only the rating and a short break in voice. Also if I missed the archtype name I have no idea what you are talking about. If I didn't miss the name, I may have very well missed the rating. Anyways, there are a lot of oppurtunities to lose my attention and you don't do much to win it back. In my opinion visualization would hugely help. Maybe have the archtype name show up shortly when you start discussing it or even the name staying in the corner of the screen. You could show the rating on the screen when you say it. Then in intervalls or even after every rating, you could blend in a list of ratings with the newest one being red for example. This would give us a type of ranking (like you did at the very end). This is obviously only my opinion and meant as constructive criticism. I don't feel like I have a particularly short attention span, but found myself struggling to continue on watching this otherwise very interesting content!
This video summarized really well why I never felt like gen 9 was very fun to me, personally. My favorite team styles have always been really bulky and stall-y, but my most hated archetype was always hazard stack, which is really unfortunate, lol. Hopefully, next gens won't be as focused on that aspect. This was very insightful :D
In PU the team I run currently is indeedee, hitmonlee, sceptile, delphox, sandslash, and bombardier, the team is based around psychic Terrain on indeedee and psychic seed on sceptile and hitmonlee keep in mind that sceptile and hitmonlee both have unburden that raises speed when item is lost, the main thing the team loses to is cramorant with defog. Defog is meant to get rid of hazards but somebody at GAMEFREAK WAS HIGH ENOUGH to make defog get rid of terrain. My point is that psychic terrain isn't entirely bad. In lower tiers. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Electric terrain would be top tier if the only setter wasn’t a silly sea urchin
If Koko existed, certainly it would be a very different story.
@@pinkacross2042 free the tapus 😭
@@Winterbub Agreed, they would make the meta more fun imo
@@pinkacross2042 oh yeah fini rain could be really fun.
brother has not been enlightened by the ‘Curch
after i got injected woth the pinkacross super serum, i peaked at 9999 on the OU ladder with a team consisting of avalugg, cherrim, lumineon, simisear, electrode and wyrdeer, thanks pinkacross.
No problem good sir!
Ah yes the double water standard hypersilly core, a classic
Clearly the best team style is running 6 Jirachi and simply iron-head flinching all my opponents to death
It can work, yes
Do NOT tell bro about species clause 😢
@@eren-tv2et nah this is why you play AG for sextuple Jirachi strat
@@InsertFunnyThingHerei did this but 6 shaymin sky with air slash and it was accualy working
This must be the reason species clause exists.
Honestly id say tera steel Avalugg stall is the best team style and it truly luggs all over OU. Truly a shame that you forgot about this insanely dominating playstyle.
Yes this is true of course, but I was paid by anti-lugg interest groups to keep it out of this video
@@pinkacross2042 the avalugg in ou lore continues
@@pinkacross2042 You were not suposed to speak about the deal...
Nah nah man you benifit too much from stab on body press to go tera steel
Na fam hyper offense avalugg is peak
Gen 9 OU players try not to throw jackstones and pebbles onto the field for 1/3rd of the match challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
It must be done...
Pinkacross, what do you think of SD Overqwill on rain teams? Unlike other Swift Swimmers, it dominates Rillaboom, and also is not to afraid of Kingambit’s Sucker Punch. With Tera Stellar, it can abuse a boost to both its stabs, as well as Liquidation, while still keeping its phenomenal base typing. Clear Amulet allows it to ignore speed drops from Sticky Web, as well as avoid Intimidate pivoting from Lando-T. It’s main problem imo is finding the spot to SD, but if it’s able to do so, it can be a nasty sweeper.
Very clever, and I think Tera Stellar is a very smart move on Overquil as well. It also provides the nice utility of absorbing Toxic Spikes. The only problem is how difficult it is to fit pokemon onto Rain. Rain needs Peli + Skewda/Legion + Treads + Rbolt, now we're down to 2 slots. For these last 2, can Overquil be justified over strong pokemon like Kingambit, Moltres, Tornadus, Kingdra, etc.? Maybe so, I'll give it a try!
As somebody that has used overqwil in OU on rain teams, it's definitely great. +2 LO hits are definitely powerful and it can be used as a pseudo steel type to help deal with grass types. You can also run aqua jet on it in order to free it up on barra, allowing it to run ice fang to destroy its usual checks.
@@bencarter8803 Thanks for sharing this perspective!
Tried SD Overqwill WITH Baraskewda. It doesn't pull through enough times to warrant a spot personally.
@@zacmayes2802 Noted, thank you.
Few people know this but Pinkacross actually got his name from Pinkurchin (its legs form the shape of a cross)
It's impressive how you're responding to every comment, that involvement is inspiring. Hopefully you get 1 million subscribers tomorrow such that interacting with every comment is no longer feasible and you can save a couple hours of your day 😅
Haha it's no problem, responding to comments takes me like 10 minutes a day and I do it to relax while putting on some music. As for my name origin... it's about Shiny Heracross but I think you knew that lol
happy to see my favourite styles BO and Balance doing do well!! great vid once again :D
Glad you liked them! Yea BO and Balance are definitely strong this generation, balance is a bit weaker than usual but it'll probably continue to improve as the metagame progresses!
I would love if you remade this in 6 months to a year, as I think there will be a ton of development in the meantime and I’d love to be able to juxtapose them
I may do that! Hopefully we get some bans that shake things up
SV SU team style ranking when 😤
@@Zpice SU?
@@pinkacross2042 SubZero Used is the unofficial tier below ZeroUsed. It's been a thing since around ORAS/USUM but it's gained more notoriety this generation. I tend to joke around with Anna here coz they own SU and I just noticed the comment here. This is more of a simplified explanation of it, but if you would like more in detailed information, lmk!
Could you make your videos a bit louder? They're usually so quiet I have to turn up my volume all the way.
Noted, I will up the sound in the future. I realized this as well.
HE FINALLY BROKE THROUGH THE STALL TEAM
Great video as always! Sad to see playstyles as gimmicky as misty terrain but not snow. It could be as simple as gslowking + kyurem, but there are other options such as a-nintetales, weather ball lando, a-sandslash, etc. Cinderace can help those teams as well.
I don't consider Glowking + Kyurem to be a snow team, and I didn't consider Sandslash + Icy Rock Abomasnow / Tales to be worth reviewing since it's so rare. I would probably give it a 3/10 though.
As a hyper offense user, im happy that its actually viable. Tho I use hydrapple in hyper offense because I need atleast a tank, so I use assault vest and just spam fickle beam or use infestation on a heatran to counter it (because I have AV).
My dream is for Tyranitar to be OU again
Eh... maybe if pursuit returns or it suddenly gets Shift Gear or something...
@@pinkacross2042if it got shift gear, then it’s steampunk iron thorns
hey look im in the vid! I'm the guy using torn + weezing, never thought i'd make it into a video by getting stomped lol
I'm getting stomped in some background videos too, happens to us all at some point LOL
You know of all the evergreen content on your channel , I think this video is the greenest of them all. Yes a lot of time was spend covering niche styles no one really uses like electric terrian. I think where you really started to cook in this was that stretch of three segments where you were really going into the juicy minutias of the difference between balence and offense and how the bulky prefix mofify these playstyles. The explanations of the slight differences in gameplan and wincons that each flavor or balence and offense hopes to achieve.
I think it could do you well to isolate that topic, the different flavors or balence, and expand it into its own video. Since the prinicipal behind building balence teams is universally applicable to every format and every gen.
Thank you for the kind comment and the feedback! I think a video like that would be a great idea for the future. :]
I love when I use stall
But hate it when others use against me
What is this condition called?
I have experienced this condition as well in the past. It has no name, but it can be lethal if not treated
Hypocrisy
Hypocrisy, "Not-so-good-when-the-shoe-is-on-the-other-foot" syndrome, etc.
still quite a shame that only Jimothy Cool is the only person calling attention to the looming ever present iron muggulis.
Old Money sponsors my channel and he is good friends with Iron Muggulis so I can't speak ill of him.
@@pinkacross2042 oh my. please give us a sign if you need help
@@yukii381 No worries. "Old Money corporations has treated me very well and I have no complaints whatsoever." *starts sweating
@@pinkacross2042who’s old money?
Old Money is the Ancient Paradox variant of Gholdengo
I really enjoyed this video, and a big fan of your content in general! I looked at the Iron Crown set and I was interested by the AV? What matchups/mons is the crown looking for with that set?
Glad you enjoyed the video! As for the Iron Crown, I can't say for sure. That was one of the few teams in the video that I did not create, and I am honestly not a huge fan of that team.
I actually ran Houndstone over Excadrill on a sand team, and I found it to be ok. Yeah, it is much slower and weaker, but there are some good points I see for Hound.
1- Houndstone has much better synergy with Tyranitar when it comes to typing, as it can come in on fighters for Tar, while Tar can check Ghost and perhaps Dark types for hound.
2- Despite being weaker, Houndstone is still plenty strong, and Poltergeist is much more spammable, which means it gets to do more consistent damage. It also has Shadow Sneak, which is good priority.
3- Tar can help Hound get around physically bulky treats, like Skarmory, Corviknight, Great Tusk and Lando-T, via special Fire and Ice coverage. Meanwhile, Houndstone can bluff CB using Spell Tag, and use Will-O-Wisp to cripple opponents, and help Tar, giving it a better match-up into physical attackers.
Even with these factors, I think building around sand is very difficult, even more than Snow (Alolan Ninetales is, surprisingly, a very solid check to Weavile and Kyurem). I think sand currently lacks consistently powerful abusers, and also, the OU meta is just to threatening to TTar, which makes sand tougher to work with, specially when you are essentially limited to 3 Tera types that won’t give your setter a tough time on its own weather.
Interesting, thanks for giving me the info on Houndstone. I don't think it's viable but I think you've probably selected the best possible set for it with Spell Tag Poltergeist + Wisp
@@pinkacross2042 thnx Pinkacross. I think it really isn’t that viable, as in almost all matches, it was either doing very little for progress, or it was cleaning up a weakened team late game. It it was just a bit faster and stronger, I’ld say it would be better.
I wish they would buff electric Terrain overall. Maybe some more Pokémon who benefit from it lime Alolan Raichu, or moves which gets boosted or increase secondary effects of electric moves. Or even maybe make steel types immune to ground attk (because of magnetism) .
Have you considered doing a ranking/tierlist of every viable OU pokemon? (Including lower tier pokemon that are usable in OU) Curious about your thoughts on that.
I may do that! Sounds like a fun video idea.
Thank you, Pinkacross.
You're welcome! :D
Bro screens and webs and trick room and calm mind max defence or bulk up max special defence or tailwind or extreme speed those types are all way more important than if the team is bulky or not
What is my answer for an offensive gliscor when using the bulky balance team? I'm pretty new and I have a hard time against it. Banger video as per usual 👍
ID Skarmory is the main answer, you can boost up and do enough damage with Body Press to force it out.
Great list overall, although you're vastly underestimating the potential of sand imo.
Sand is only really locked into Ttar and Exca, both of which really aren't that bad compared to Pelipper or Torkoal. From there sand can have a lot of variation to cover different meta threats and I've seen successful builds that all look quite different. That aside, I also think Ttar and Exca have some nice variation themselves, Ttar having a vast movepool to work with accentuated by Knock off and Excadrill providing a great spinner under sand. Speaking of, I also think trying to Exca work as a sole sweeper in a meta infested with Dondozo, Corviknight, Skarmory, Ting Lu etc just doesn't work and it better works as a great revenge killer and cleaner late game. That way I find that it generally doesn't need to tera that often. The tera blast sets aren't that good imo, Eq Iron head Rapid spin filler are the way to go.
As for other options, unlike sun or rain which struggle to fit in important resists or roles like removal, ghost resist, ground resist etc sand has a lot of options it can viable choose between to cover weaknesses like Rotom wash, Skarmory, Dragapult, Primarina, Great Tusk, Kingambit, Torn-T, Lando-T, Goodra-Hisui, Gholdengo, Gliscor, Alomomola, Heatran and even stuff that doesn't look like it fits but actually works quite well like Rillaboom (In which case you'd run high horsepower on drill)
My rambling aside great vid as always!
You make good points on the matter of Sand, perhaps I am too harsh on it. That being said, the general lack of success of sand teams is rather suspicious. On paper it should be a solid weather, and yet it has had very few successful builds. Still, it's certainly a playstyle I'll try to develop in the future. I believe it is viable and I'd like to make a great team with it. :]
@@pinkacross2042 Yeah that lack of successful builds does make your point stand out more. I personally think there's room for more experimentation, but for now yeah you're right for sure
What about Snow teams ??
Snow teams aren't real as far as I know, but I'd give them a 2/10 maybe? No good Slush Rush pokemon, and Kyurem doesn't really need an A-Ninetales/Abomasnow since it could just use Glowking instead.
@@pinkacross2042 thanks for the reply 👍❄️
If Grassy Terrain is 7, Misty and Psychic are 3, and Electric is 1... clearly the best team style is to run all of them on the same team for a total score of 14! All four setters with terrain extenders of course, and to counter Ice Spinner Great Tusk, use your fifth slot to run your own Great Tusk to remove the terrain first!
hahahhaha
If you could stack terrains, it would be fun
Who got the ground spam gravity team paste?
This video is meant to be a millon voew the editing the content is top nocth ❤
Thanks so much! :D
Mono quick claw was a viable option for a little while lol
Dark times. Some people still use it, super annoying playstyle.
your voice is cute so subbed 💜
Why thank you! :D
i want the tapus to come back, as fini is my favorite pokemon, but at the same time my entire being abhors the very thought.
I would love the return of Tapus, Lele is so fun
Nice and informative video, thx a lot.
Glad you liked it! :D
I'm surprised you ranked stall so low when I semi-regularly see stall RMTs that peaked at #1 on ladder. Is that just due to random noise or are ladder peaks a poor indicator of a playstyle's strength?
Great question! Stall teams are often successful on ladder because they are very good at counterteaming, and you can curate your stall teams to beat whatever is popular at a given time. This also gives them a lot of consistency on ladder. For example, if Sun is popular at a given time, perhaps you can make your Blissey Tera Water. If you lose to a mixed Dragapult team, you can make your Blissey Tera Fairy for the next game. The famous Hydrapple stall worked well because it countered popular SD Gliscor and HDB Meowscarada teams that were popular at the time. Various changes like this, small adjustments, are very good for climbing on ladder. Furthermore, a lot of people just don't prepare for stall which leads to it peaking #1 more often. On top of that, a lot of very dedicated players just happen to be trying hard to make stall work, and there's an entire discord full of people trying to build and peak #1 with stall teams.
Tapu Koko still being out buying cigarettes has a shocking resemblance to my own father
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Banger as usual, hope we get some vids of laddering sessions or lives some time, u been doin great for the community man!
Thanks so much! :D And yes, some lives will definitely be happening!
For SD Gliscor do you like Facade + Knock or EQ + Knock on hazardstack
I'm on the fence, I've run EQ + Knock in the past but I'm leaning toward saying Knock + Facade is better, since it beats other SD Gliscor and Tera Normal on defensive sets walls mixed Dragapult.
@@pinkacross2042 thanks man and great vid
can I apply this Hazard Stack Bulky Balance team on other tiers such as UU/RU/NU?
Unfortunately I can't say for sure, a lot of why hazard stack is so strong in OU is because of the options we have, pokemon like Gliscor, Clefable, Skarmory, etc. I would recommend asking the community in the respective tier rooms on Showdown to see if hazard stack is good!
@@pinkacross2042 yeah I just talked to the RU rater, he said that it's technically difficult to apply in RU since the ghost types are too limited in the tier. So Imma have to readjust my team style.
did this man just hit 3 focus blast in a row?
rip the luck for the week, you used it all
RIP
Please what do I do about zacian in doubles it's a menace and it walls me every time
I don't know much about doubles
@@pinkacross2042 fair enough 👌 me neither but I'm trying
excellent video and breakdown. just wanted to say, wrt electric terrain, raging bolt with rising voltage and eject button + memento pincurchin to position it can be really spooky, esp if you pair it further with something like lucha. i think the playstyle has a smidge more flexibility than you give it credit for, but you're absolutely right that it isn't super reliant.
Eject button is interesting, haven't seen that yet. I don't doubt that there are OK electric terrain teams out there, probably some of them could reach 2000s even. That being said... I don't think there are any GREAT electric terrain teams out there. Not a single one. That's what makes it a 1/10 for me, I don't think there are any great teams and I don't think one will ever be made (in gen 9 at least). I'd love to be proven wrong though! I'm glad you enjoyed the video as well, and thank you for the idea! :]
holy its just hyperoffense pretty much 😂
Yea a lot of distinct archetypes fall under the HO umbrella
Great vid! Played you on the ladder a bunch these last few weeks GGs as always
Glad you liked it! GGs! :]
How do you feel about Snow Teams?
Terrible. Very very bad, super cheese, they can work but there's no real reason to run them. I'd say 3/10. I'd love to be wrong but I've tried alolaslash snow and it just disappointed in every way.
What a banger recap vid! Nice work!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! :D
I find it interesting that the very presence of Gholdengo has allowed hazard spam to stay as one of the best archetypes in this generation. Good as Gold and Steel/Ghost make it terribly ditfficult to deal with as both Defog and Rapid Spin get blocked by it. Additionally, Gliscor getting spikes only furthers this archetype's potential. I don't think they are strong enough to be banned, but I'm tired of it.
Gliscor is certainly a big part of the success of hazard stack, but funny enough a lot of hazard stack teams no longer use Gholdengo, but rather Dragapult or some other random ghost type. Since Corviknight is really the only defogger, you can just structure your team to pressure Corviknight. That being said, even when a team doesn't use Gholdengo, the existence of it benefits them by making Defog less common.
In Natdex OU, if I'm feeling it, I run a hybrid rain/elec terrain team. It helps since Tapu Koko exists, and isn't just a dedicated setter. Rain teams already run Iron Valiant and Iron Treads a lot, so I can run an item on Valiant and Icium-Z on Iron Treads (common natdex strat to run Icium-Z on paradox donphans to beat Gliscor and Landorus-T). It's very weak against Rillaboom, but I can usually play against it.
Edit: Oh yeah and Archaludon exists in Natdex OU. Crazy BP boost on Electro Shot and as a bonus it can often deal with Rillaboom. Only downside is I have to run Tera Fairy instead of Tera Flying. Rain is better in Natdex since M-Swampert exists. I don't see many people running this set often, but Swampert did gain Bulk Up this gen.
NatDex Eterrain + Rain sounds busted LOL... might give that tier a try some time.
@@pinkacross2042 i primarily play natdex, there is lots of fun stuff that isn't present in base OU. landorus' scarf sets are viable again, swords dance gliscor is powerful and not cringe, and lots of cool mons like mega tyranitar and mega scizor are good choices and coexist with the new picks like raging bolt.
it is kind of a noob bait tier because it attracts people that just want to use their favorite pokemon so you'll find ? sets even in the 1600s, but other than that it's a great time and my favorite tier
@@jzplr Noted, thanks! :D Tier sounds fun.
@@pinkacross2042 joever-pon wellspring -> goodbye rain matchup
shame its going to be assassinated shortly by the coward nat dex playerbase
Bulky Balance for life
Truly an incredible archetype
Is no one gonna talk about him hitting 3 straight focus blasts vs that blissey?!?!
Haha yea that was pretty nice
Magic bounce counters hazards bro
No Maushold mention for screens this guy is a serious abuser😭
balance is the best archetype. muh dragon dance, swords dance, webs will not save a team from being neutralized by defensive strategy
You forgot about revivecats
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Yippee new vid
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When he called Tyranatar and excadrill bad Pokemon my heart broke. Power creep is evil. 😔
Still viable probably... but yea they're not great pokemon
@@pinkacross2042I can live my Gen 5 OU dreams in UU. 😂
I can't believe they banned sleep to nerf electric terrain teams
LOL
did my earphones break or is the voice of this guy super low
Yes my sound was not great here, I will fix this in future videos
@@pinkacross2042 ah np, great video. Keep going.
Im leaving a comment😊
Thanks! :D
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This gen they’ve been calling Balance Stall because HO is so prevalent
People have been calling any team with a Pokémon that can take more than 1 resisted hit “stall” since the dawn of time
@@gregariosity Which is goofy.
Me:* painstakingly sets trick room *
Priority moves : I'm going to pretend I didn't see that .
Poor TR... so cool but so hard to justify
It'd be cool if trick room gave the slower mon +2 priority or something instead of just switching speeds but trick room is cracked in doubles so they don't got the balls to buff it
Also I'm once again suggesting for pincurchin to get +50 on it's hp stat and no other changes
I agree with the +50 HP, and I'd like if they gave the poor man his Rising Voltage back.
@@pinkacross2042 mega pincurchin in Pokemon Legends ZaZa is gonna be meta trust me bro (RUBL)
@@InsertFunnyThingHere Mega Pincurchin sounds oddly worse since it can't run terrain extender... poor guy can't catch a break
@@pinkacross2042 mega pincurchin will have such attacking stats it'll be actually good still trust me bro RUBL
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I found some team Dasmer has been playing with through the replay channel. Im only a 1200 player so I been struggling to succeed consistently with it. Turns out its literally a hazard stack bulky balance team 😭😭😭damn im ass
There's nothing to be embarrassed about! Bulky balance hazard stack is one of the most difficult archetypes to play and it takes A LOT of practice and metagame awareness. You need to know when to stack, when to go on the offensive, how to limit your opponent's removal options... a lot of these things become flow-charty when you have a lot of experience, but for newer players I'd say this is easily the hardest playstyle to pull off. I'd recommend using Balance and Offense teams to practice, and try bulky hstack once you're a bit higher on ladder. :] Good luck!
Personally, if I was a pokemon trainer I'd run 1 pelipper and 5 choice band barraskewdas to save myself from going too big brain
smart move... until you see a volcanion
No Lokix archetype? Sad. Great video though :)
Ah dang forgot Lokix archetype, can't believe I forgot the most dominant style
Bulky balance is a new term for me. Is this a gen 9 thing? Dont remember hearing this in gen 7/8
Yea, just balance that's fat but not quite semistall.
How do you get that emblem underneath your sprite?
When you reach top 100, top 30, and some other levels, you get a medal beneath your sprite.
@@pinkacross2042 ooh, I see. Does this apply to any ladder or only a select few tiers?
@@hessenic6862 Not sure, I've only played OU seeing it
@@hessenic6862it applies to metagames selected in that ladder season but it will always apply to ou and randbats
Love your videos bro they helped me acquire so much more knowledge and improve hopefully I can get on uu ladder because of you ❤
That's awesome! :D Good luck, you can do it!
Hail
In the current metagame, I don't consider that a real archetype. If I included it, I think it would be a 3/10.
Yeah!
Dam this is so useful
.... I don't think offense is easy to play with tho. ( standard offense)
Offense is the most difficult playstyle to play in my opinion, perhaps you misunderstood me? Glad you found the video useful! :]
How did Roaring Moon survive that moonblast?
Roaring Moon has solid special defense and HP, and since it activated Tera Flying, it was no longer weak to Moonblast.
@@pinkacross2042 ohh okay great vid
But ehat if i run specs weather ball lando t in snow
Sounds funny but not good
How is g-slowking good against torkoal?
Chilly Reception cancels Sun and Torkoal can't do much damage.
You forgeted one team style and that is "the pokemon looked cool so i putted them on the team" also i ran into a guy that used talonflame stall and cooked him up with a team off the week
Pretty surprised I feel like balance sucks this gen everyone just spams offense
You'll see a lot more balance teams in higher ladder, generally mid ladder has a lot of offense in my experience.
i always get destroyed by balance team
We have to be very happy that Pincurchin is utter garbage, imagine the chaos if we had Tapu Koko in SV…
I agree with the statement above
Maybe it would be too much... but it sure would be fun to see for a little bit!
Man you covered misty terrain but no snow?
I've seen far more misty terrain than I have snow... unless you consider Glowking + Kyurem to be snow, which I don't. I've tested snow and it performed very poorly in many variations, I'd say snow would probably be a 3/10
@@pinkacross2042 dude, are you been serious more misty terrain than Snow 0_0
@@Z.P.1995 I'd have to say yea... if Volcarona gets banned though, I could see Frosmoth snow HO being a threat once again.
Thank you for the comments pinkpantheress
Question, what was the point of the Tera Ghost Tera Blast Dragapult at 16:25? I don't believe Ditto is very common right now, so is there another reason to run that over Shadow Ball? Even if you're still Tera Ghost, the two moves have the same BP.
It is Physical. The Dragapult is Choice Band.
@@pinkacross2042 Tbh I forgot about that property of Tera Blast lol, thanks
@@ltg6225 No worries! :]
You should cut out the parts where you just *breathe* it’s kinda awkward, just a tip, love the video!
Noted, I'll try to filter these sounds out in the future. Thanks and glad you enjoyed the video!
Agreed
first video i've seen from you, very informative 👍
Glad you liked it, and welcome to the channel! :D
Oof that semi-stall team is so outdated but its still better than what I could build.
I couldn't find any others haha, everyone who made semistall shifted to bulky balance hstack
@@pinkacross2042 Yeah semistall kind of weak now, it just feels like stall but worse right nwo to me.
@@DragapultRules I'd say semistall is better than stall, stall is... bad
@@pinkacross2042 True. Even hyper-offence can straight-up beat stall with a kingambit+taunt moon or psyshock CM Valiant. Stall just doesn't have enough answers to threats this gen.
Very very good video. My only suggestion is adding Gen 9 OU to somewhere in the title as I'm sure the next gen would once again shake things up.
Fair enough, thank you for the feedback and I'm glad you liked the video! :]
I’m curious why you choose to call it bulky balance over fat, I have never really heard it being called bulky balance
The term "fat" is too broad in my opinion. Bulky balance, semistall, and stall are all "fat" teams.
If you don't mind me asking, why is offense the most difficult playstyle to play, in your opinion?
More offensive teams are more defensively fragile, which makes them more challenging because you have less of a defensive backbone to fall back on. However, HO is OK with sacking pokemon so it's more forgiving of mistakes. Offense is unforgiving AND has little to no defensive backbone.
Thanks for making informational vids like these pink, I now know what team archetype to try to build next. Also, I learned the amazing look of gen 3 shiny heracross and am now spamming heracross offence on the gen 3 ou ladder.
Glad you enjoyed it! And yea Heracross has some amazing sprites over the years
I love balance teams
Me too! :D
Now can you made a video going over all the playstyles of 8’s in above in details?
I will certainly be making building and playing guides on these playstyles in the future!
@@pinkacross2042 Patiently waiting for bulky offense video.
@@ZygonCannar It will happen!
Your videos are amazing. I been trying to get better at competitive singles. I hate that wile I’m trying to get better at that & figure out what Pokémon are good. Most other videos are mentioning weaker Pokemon that are only good in double battles smh do you have a discord server? Or are you on discord? I’m thinking about hosting a tournament. After i get better.
I do not have a discord server, but I do have a discord! My tag is 'pinkacross'.
@@pinkacross2042 i sent you a request I’m TPCtyquan i like playing competitive I’m just not one to copy & paste a meta winning team. I like understanding the game on a competitive level & then build my team a bit different then what everyone else is using. Like how you or other champion players can see the potential of underused Pokémon & win a tournament with it or rank high on ladder with it without having to wait for another player to discover the strategy & play test it 1st. I like the ou rules just no legendary or one per team to give other weaker Pokemon a chance to shine. But if I’m already at a disadvantage by not picking the most used Pokemon. Your team building & play style tips is need to help me bridge the gap
@@CrossDuelBattleArena I'm glad you've found my content helpful! :D
Hi Pink
Hello!
Great video man. Well made and informative.
Thank you! :D
where does semi-stall rank?
7.5/10. It's the second to last archetype ranked in the video. All semistall is hazard stack (that I've ever seen) so I didn't bother creating a standard semistall category.
@@pinkacross2042 I do half stall and half HO hazard stack so that's what I mean by semi-stall. Probably not the best way of doing it though.
@@nathanhayward7162 Yes, that's called playstyle mixing and to be honest it is notoriously unviable. You end up with a team that does nothing particularly well. There is no defined playstyle for what you're describing, it would just be called a mix of HO and stall.
Floatzel is a great rain abuser btw. Wave Crash one shots a big chunk of the OU metagame and can two shot most resistant walls.
Floatzel is not bad yea, personally I'm a skewda guy but Floatzel can wrok.
I feel like your videos (and this video in particular) are quite "watcher unfriendly".
You talk about the different archtypes and and there is no noteable indication that the next one is about to start, only the rating and a short break in voice.
Also if I missed the archtype name I have no idea what you are talking about. If I didn't miss the name, I may have very well missed the rating. Anyways, there are a lot of oppurtunities to lose my attention and you don't do much to win it back.
In my opinion visualization would hugely help. Maybe have the archtype name show up shortly when you start discussing it or even the name staying in the corner of the screen. You could show the rating on the screen when you say it. Then in intervalls or even after every rating, you could blend in a list of ratings with the newest one being red for example. This would give us a type of ranking (like you did at the very end).
This is obviously only my opinion and meant as constructive criticism. I don't feel like I have a particularly short attention span, but found myself struggling to continue on watching this otherwise very interesting content!
Thank you for the feedback, I will consider this in the future. More clarity is likely a good idea.
This video summarized really well why I never felt like gen 9 was very fun to me, personally. My favorite team styles have always been really bulky and stall-y, but my most hated archetype was always hazard stack, which is really unfortunate, lol. Hopefully, next gens won't be as focused on that aspect. This was very insightful :D
Glad you enjoyed the video! :]
In PU the team I run currently is indeedee, hitmonlee, sceptile, delphox, sandslash, and bombardier, the team is based around psychic Terrain on indeedee and psychic seed on sceptile and hitmonlee keep in mind that sceptile and hitmonlee both have unburden that raises speed when item is lost, the main thing the team loses to is cramorant with defog. Defog is meant to get rid of hazards but somebody at GAMEFREAK WAS HIGH ENOUGH to make defog get rid of terrain. My point is that psychic terrain isn't entirely bad. In lower tiers. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
That sounds pretty cool, PU is a fun tier from what I've seen
@@pinkacross2042 PU = 🤌