I would assume that the other paths would have a slightly easier time, and that other better methods do exist but this is where we're at. Originally the devs described Ethiopia's difficulty as Carlist Spain tier difficulty, but nowadays I would not have them in the same tier as each other, one has CAD after all!
How did you get the scavenger trait? I assumed you built forts somewhere, cause my generals never got it and I thought the focus only works if you have a general with the trait.
At the bare minimum, give those newly created troops only 10-15% of their maximum org when they spawn in. Make it so that they can still be pushed out by the player
I know there's a debate about realism vs fun in videogames, but Haile Selassie is technically god and so should be able to use his divine powers (and ark of the covenant power up) to simply smite any enemies, thus making is easy to conquer the world or whatever it is you do in whatever game this is
the biggest problem is that without the aussa troops, italy was legit struggling in ethiopia. and italy needs every buff it can get because the allies are already op and italy is already the weak link. so, one way or another, ai italy needs a major buff in ethiopia. and while im definitely not a fan of "historicity", let's face it: either italy or ethiopia has to have a very difficult time in this war. if the war drags on into 1937, which it did prepatch, italy will be less than useless in ww2. and, historically and gameplay wise, it makes sense/is better for ethiopia to struggle since, as previously mentioned, the allies are already super busted to the point of them not being fun to play. make italy even weaker in this war and it's even more ridiculously easy to play the allies. this makes me think: with the recent updates to UK defense of the home islands, i'd really, really like to see the exact same thing for italy. might actually make it *not pointless* to play the UK. in doing so, you could even sneak in a buff to ethiopia if u wanted to, since making italy play better could make it less detrimental for italy to stay in ethiopia until 1937
I literally said to lower Ethiopias surrender limit via Absentee Emperor to solve this problem, or pdx could brute force it with an ai only event where they must capitulate after a certain point, anything that means Italy getting Aussa’s units can be scrapped.
@@BubblesZest true, but for achievment runs id still rum the Version back to bba. The lend lease helps our quite a bit also. And ecept for achievments nobody plays ethiopia anyway
Tbh italy just needs a big movement buff into the state of aussa but only for like a week, that would probably fix the issue. No need for extra units. Something like when aussa submits, it grants only italy this movement buff that only applies to the state of aussa and not any other states. That way they can get their tanks or cav in or something and then reinforce with infantry
It's so sad that savescumming is basically necessary now for most minor nations. Gotterdammerung made most minors that dont allow you to create the eu in 1939 obsolete and not fun to play.
exactly. I can't understand what is the problem of morons like that guy under your comment. It seems some players only plays with majors and they do not care gaming experience with minor nations
@@justice4549 The problem is that every minor nation updated in gotterdammerung CAN stand up to the us, and that's why the more "difficult," spammy AI was created. These new nations can easily overcome this, but older ones can't. A lot of the older nations do not have any meaningful way to increase their capabilities beyond what they start with. Nations like Australia or Canada are almost totally dependent militarily and economically on their puppets. And in canada's case like 50% of your focus tree is locked behind either world tension limits or being at war. This means you'd better start a no division "civil war" early to access those focuses, unless of course, you want to start playing the game and building your nation only after 1939, but by that point there is no way that youll be beating the uk any time soon.
That’s really weird because I’ve been playing a lot on the previous version of HOI4, and for some reason it seems like Ethiopia just got a lot stronger in that old version after Gotterdammerung got released. Just in the past month I’ve witnessed 2-3 white peaces between Italy and Ethiopia and one instance where Italy got declared on by Britain and France and turned into a puppet before WW2 even began. Crazy stuff
It got stronger after By blood alone dlc, I remember beating Italy in original "clear" version of HoI4. It was almost impossible and heavily depended on luck. But I did it... once. 😂
@flashpromo15 You need to encircle italians on the south, its the only way to win. There's even a guide for it on RUclips. Very old video, before the dlc came out
Really, every since Gotterdammerung was released, it's become harder to play as ALL minor nations, but Ethiopia has gotten the worst of it. As you've mentioned, they have a bunch of pointless debuffs that take forever to get rid of, the problem with Italy constantly losing could be easily fixed by lowering Ethiopia's surrender limit if it takes the historical path, and with the Belgian Congo being less frustrating, why would you EVER play as Ethiopia? Paradox constantly puts in lots of effort to make the game worse, when simpler or easier solutions would make the game more fun.
I like the Aussa change in principle since without it, Aussa flipping is purely beneficial for Ethiopia which made no sense. That being said they should give Ethiopia a little buff to make defending it more fun/interesting than microing impoverished units for a year.
Feel free to disagree with me, but I don't think anything needs to be changed. Struggling as Ethiopia is consistent with how they performed historically. It is meant to be a struggle, because their odds seemed impossible in real life. It's not meant to be easy, it's not meant for new players.
No one is saying it has to be easy, but that it should actually be fun to do. Previously it was fine, but the way it is now is unsatisfying. Hoi4 is a video game first, realism has it's place but must take a backseat when it comes to stuff like this.
@@BubblesZest What i think they should have done was partially combined the leave or stay option; giving a bonus to international pleas if you leave, but negatives to stability and defence and vise versa. The entrenchment bug needs to be fixed as well, as does the British somaliland issues.
i played my first ethiopia game recently and it was a lot harder than i expected, considering the fact that everyone ive ever seen play it thought it was too easy, but i capped for the first time in 3 years
Yeah Ethiopia was actually made a lot harder before this last Dlc, especially for the content after the war for almost every path if not all of them. Its basically impossible to start rebellions in Africa because the resistance got changed at some point, I suppose if you're not playing historical and get lucky you can, but if are, you're not gonna have a nice time.
yes now it seem that strick enough ocupation policy will prevent anny uprising like managet to get only one per country by waiting for war and doing propaganda agaist that country and bouth stages of the suport resistance an interesting workaround woold be to give you agency uprage/buff via focus to make it easilier to contact/strengten rezistance to alow yoiu to boost the rezistace level to rebelion
I just played Ethiopia again and I think the one recommendation I have is don't be afraid to give up land. Also go for the 2nd italo ethiopian war focus then down to scavenging tactics before doing the emporer stays focus and going down that path and focus on getting the Abuna. As for advisors and anything else focus on anything that gets you defense value cas reduction or entrenchment. Generally hold north and the south until you complete the timers and then fall back in the north past forward the river so on the two provinces of Gojjam but it seemed you would eventually need to fall back behind that river. As long you reinforce use last stand wherever needed and stay focused you can make it to the survival against all odds which is when you should get renewed offensive. When italy gets uproar in the colonies Eritrea should pop first, stop everything you're doing and get the focus the northern thrust take as much advantage of it as possible. In the game I just did Eritrea got absorbed and I couldn't push the italians out of the port and it dragged into ww2 so don't let Eritrea die. Finally the moment renewed offensive gets done go straight for Fait Acompli perhaps hold on focuses for a while but it cuts it so close to ww2 and you do not want to be dragged into it.
I didn't really see that big of an increase in difficulty, most likely because i never used the lend lease strat before with Ethiopia so it only got a little harder since you may have a harder time getting assua, which can lead to worse terrain to hold and a larger front, i also didnt do it all that well because i didnt know you could get off the Chitet while at war so i never did that and wasted my offensive to get to the mercenaries and lessons of war focus so thanks for that little strat. I honestly think if they just reworked some of the industry tree to be faster it would be fine, it just takes so long to do those focuses so you prioritize others while at war and just have no mills to make guns, if you could get some mills earlier you could make some more units and hold fine by microing
Have you actually played Ethiopia since this update came out? Cause to me it feels like you're going off pre-dlc memories. Anyway, even if you did the amount of people saying they aren't satisfied with the state of Ethiopia and don't enjoy the state it's currently in is enough for me to say that change is needed. Pdx getting right is whole other question.
@@BubblesZest Yes thats why i said i didnt see that big of an increase in difficulty, i even did a different run to get the this time for Africa achievement, i will admit it is harder, but i think its more because of the force concentration thing they added so you get hit real hard get deoorged and if you arent paying attention your front lines can crumble under it
Does it make sense to hold macalle now? It's easier to hold and prevents aussa from being annexed It does prevent you from getting the mil but given you'll be in a worse defensive position it might be worth it At least for a while, you can always give it up later when you're better prepared
Please, make a guide for South Africa achievement crusader kings 2 (this one with anti colonialist crusade). I think after changes this achievement is impossible
Do a video on Cod Wars/Crusader kings 2 please! These achievements are basically 10x harder since UK actually defends their home islands like crazy now.
I did Ethiopia again and got a victory, I had to use some save scumming but i could easily see someone better than me at this game doing it in one go. However the anti colonial mechanics seem like it's not possible without a walkthrough. First you do support anti british resistance in a state and then you get anti british propaganda but that can only affects states who's resistance you're supporting so in order to get full benefit you need to keep supporting before you can use it although even then it only seemed to get to 88 in somaliland at max after supplying guns and I would've need 90 at least. They should make it so anti british affects all states at once like anti french propaganda then you won't need to worry about supporting resistance first then doing it so it's a but more balanced I guess
I don't if this happens to anyone else but when the war escalation gets to five it go's back to four and they never fixed it sense they got there focus tree
Yeah, Ethiopia needs a new look at, especially now that Congo exists. I get that Congo has a colonial overlord, and Ethiopia doesn’t, but the gap between the 2 is way too big. At the very least, Ethiopias debuffes should match Congo. The research debuff in particular is way to big. I also think another thing that could help would be 2 (small) joint focus trees for Ethiopia. Either between it and the country that hosts the king in exile, or between it and it's overlord (if Italy or the Soviets puppet you), because right now Ethiopia develops way to slowly, especially compared to Congo. A buff to the industry tree would be nice as well, at least let us do more of it earlier! Personally, other than achievements, I don't know why you would play Ethiopia over Congo. Congo has basically the same paths but better.
Unfortunetly same situation happening against argentina as mapuche chile the argentina ai is better than old and i would say thats not skill issue paradox still cant do the game balance
@@BubblesZest Why does every nation need to be '''ENJOYABLE'"'? This mindset is the reason why nations in the nordics and south america are overpowered and stupid to play as these days. It's supposed to be a WW2 game. Ethiopia is going to be weak. If you can't handle that then DON'T PLAY AS ETHIOPIA IN A WW2 game! It's like HOI4 players expect Paradox to turn world history into their personal sandbox memeshit playground like Kaiseredditux
I do feel like with Aussa, it being a massive gap for the Ethiopians to exploit doesn't feel right for what should be an 'oh fuck' moment. Though maybe it being the Aussa troops flipping over to Italian control would feel better.
When the change happened to where Italy gets their units I got caught off guard. Anyways I had to restart once added up winning the war anyways. Turns out infantry equipment, experience, and micro I'd still what you need to win. Usually I prefer the mountaineer general to grind with. I think Eithopia is tough but more because you can only creep with defensive land warfare.
I don't get why you're complaining about this because the entire point is for it to be insufferable. Ethiopia stood no chance in hell at winning IRL so the alt path in game should be very, very hard.
I feel like they should make irregular divisions move though the mountains much faster, 10 days to move one unit is a bit absurd especially for irregulars
I would assume that the other paths would have a slightly easier time, and that other better methods do exist but this is where we're at. Originally the devs described Ethiopia's difficulty as Carlist Spain tier difficulty, but nowadays I would not have them in the same tier as each other, one has CAD after all!
Carlist Spain is not that hard, it only get very hard when you Fuck up de SCW
CAD?
@@3dcomrade crusades against democracy or something like that, you get insane buffs over time
How did you get the scavenger trait? I assumed you built forts somewhere, cause my generals never got it and I thought the focus only works if you have a general with the trait.
At the bare minimum, give those newly created troops only 10-15% of their maximum org when they spawn in. Make it so that they can still be pushed out by the player
I know there's a debate about realism vs fun in videogames, but Haile Selassie is technically god and so should be able to use his divine powers (and ark of the covenant power up) to simply smite any enemies, thus making is easy to conquer the world or whatever it is you do in whatever game this is
pros: more realistic
cons: games are supposed to be fun
1:42 in that case community will start whining about game being too random with game changing stuff, like it's the case with soviet right opposition
the biggest problem is that without the aussa troops, italy was legit struggling in ethiopia. and italy needs every buff it can get because the allies are already op and italy is already the weak link. so, one way or another, ai italy needs a major buff in ethiopia. and while im definitely not a fan of "historicity", let's face it: either italy or ethiopia has to have a very difficult time in this war. if the war drags on into 1937, which it did prepatch, italy will be less than useless in ww2. and, historically and gameplay wise, it makes sense/is better for ethiopia to struggle since, as previously mentioned, the allies are already super busted to the point of them not being fun to play. make italy even weaker in this war and it's even more ridiculously easy to play the allies.
this makes me think: with the recent updates to UK defense of the home islands, i'd really, really like to see the exact same thing for italy. might actually make it *not pointless* to play the UK. in doing so, you could even sneak in a buff to ethiopia if u wanted to, since making italy play better could make it less detrimental for italy to stay in ethiopia until 1937
I literally said to lower Ethiopias surrender limit via Absentee Emperor to solve this problem, or pdx could brute force it with an ai only event where they must capitulate after a certain point, anything that means Italy getting Aussa’s units can be scrapped.
Great idea
@@BubblesZest true, but for achievment runs id still rum the Version back to bba. The lend lease helps our quite a bit also. And ecept for achievments nobody plays ethiopia anyway
@@BubblesZestAfter AI Ethiopia takes the focus they could get a debuff to Org., Division attack and defence to ensure Italy's win
I also don't understand need in 40% research speed debuff, and to remove this debuff you need to visit different parts of focus tree.
There should be a check for Scavenging Tactics where it picks "randomly" between generals you have assigned currently.
I thought I just sucked as Ethiopia but now I see it’s a real issue. Thank you Bubble Zest for doing my video idea
Tbh italy just needs a big movement buff into the state of aussa but only for like a week, that would probably fix the issue. No need for extra units.
Something like when aussa submits, it grants only italy this movement buff that only applies to the state of aussa and not any other states. That way they can get their tanks or cav in or something and then reinforce with infantry
Would be nice to see the other ideologies' week. This week was a pleasant surprise..
It's so sad that savescumming is basically necessary now for most minor nations. Gotterdammerung made most minors that dont allow you to create the eu in 1939 obsolete and not fun to play.
HOI4 players when Madagascar can’t stand up to USA lmfao
exactly. I can't understand what is the problem of morons like that guy under your comment. It seems some players only plays with majors and they do not care gaming experience with minor nations
@@justice4549 The problem is that every minor nation updated in gotterdammerung CAN stand up to the us, and that's why the more "difficult," spammy AI was created. These new nations can easily overcome this, but older ones can't. A lot of the older nations do not have any meaningful way to increase their capabilities beyond what they start with. Nations like Australia or Canada are almost totally dependent militarily and economically on their puppets. And in canada's case like 50% of your focus tree is locked behind either world tension limits or being at war. This means you'd better start a no division "civil war" early to access those focuses, unless of course, you want to start playing the game and building your nation only after 1939, but by that point there is no way that youll be beating the uk any time soon.
@@justice4549 paradox glazers when people want to play a fun game, lmfao
That’s really weird because I’ve been playing a lot on the previous version of HOI4, and for some reason it seems like Ethiopia just got a lot stronger in that old version after Gotterdammerung got released. Just in the past month I’ve witnessed 2-3 white peaces between Italy and Ethiopia and one instance where Italy got declared on by Britain and France and turned into a puppet before WW2 even began. Crazy stuff
It got stronger after By blood alone dlc, I remember beating Italy in original "clear" version of HoI4. It was almost impossible and heavily depended on luck. But I did it... once. 😂
@Fortify2030wtf how
@flashpromo15 You need to encircle italians on the south, its the only way to win. There's even a guide for it on RUclips. Very old video, before the dlc came out
"The south usually resolves itself" has never been true - at least for me. The Italians just keep on attacking
Really, every since Gotterdammerung was released, it's become harder to play as ALL minor nations, but Ethiopia has gotten the worst of it. As you've mentioned, they have a bunch of pointless debuffs that take forever to get rid of, the problem with Italy constantly losing could be easily fixed by lowering Ethiopia's surrender limit if it takes the historical path, and with the Belgian Congo being less frustrating, why would you EVER play as Ethiopia?
Paradox constantly puts in lots of effort to make the game worse, when simpler or easier solutions would make the game more fun.
thank u for this. your video is really helpful because i had no idea how to survive ethiopia in new patches
I like the Aussa change in principle since without it, Aussa flipping is purely beneficial for Ethiopia which made no sense. That being said they should give Ethiopia a little buff to make defending it more fun/interesting than microing impoverished units for a year.
Feel free to disagree with me, but I don't think anything needs to be changed. Struggling as Ethiopia is consistent with how they performed historically. It is meant to be a struggle, because their odds seemed impossible in real life. It's not meant to be easy, it's not meant for new players.
No one is saying it has to be easy, but that it should actually be fun to do. Previously it was fine, but the way it is now is unsatisfying. Hoi4 is a video game first, realism has it's place but must take a backseat when it comes to stuff like this.
@@victorrachid6558Wasn’t just that, lend lease being crippled too.
Arguably the bigger deal, since you can’t get equipment to fight.
@@BubblesZest What i think they should have done was partially combined the leave or stay option; giving a bonus to international pleas if you leave, but negatives to stability and defence and vise versa.
The entrenchment bug needs to be fixed as well, as does the British somaliland issues.
i played my first ethiopia game recently and it was a lot harder than i expected, considering the fact that everyone ive ever seen play it thought it was too easy, but i capped for the first time in 3 years
Yeah Ethiopia was actually made a lot harder before this last Dlc, especially for the content after the war for almost every path if not all of them.
Its basically impossible to start rebellions in Africa because the resistance got changed at some point, I suppose if you're not playing historical and get lucky you can, but if are, you're not gonna have a nice time.
yes now it seem that strick enough ocupation policy will prevent anny uprising like managet to get only one per country by waiting for war and doing propaganda agaist that country and bouth stages of the suport resistance
an interesting workaround woold be to give you agency uprage/buff via focus to make it easilier to contact/strengten rezistance to alow yoiu to boost the rezistace level to rebelion
I just played Ethiopia again and I think the one recommendation I have is don't be afraid to give up land. Also go for the 2nd italo ethiopian war focus then down to scavenging tactics before doing the emporer stays focus and going down that path and focus on getting the Abuna. As for advisors and anything else focus on anything that gets you defense value cas reduction or entrenchment. Generally hold north and the south until you complete the timers and then fall back in the north past forward the river so on the two provinces of Gojjam but it seemed you would eventually need to fall back behind that river. As long you reinforce use last stand wherever needed and stay focused you can make it to the survival against all odds which is when you should get renewed offensive. When italy gets uproar in the colonies Eritrea should pop first, stop everything you're doing and get the focus the northern thrust take as much advantage of it as possible. In the game I just did Eritrea got absorbed and I couldn't push the italians out of the port and it dragged into ww2 so don't let Eritrea die. Finally the moment renewed offensive gets done go straight for Fait Acompli perhaps hold on focuses for a while but it cuts it so close to ww2 and you do not want to be dragged into it.
I would also go for, recovery rate really anything to make your units better
I didn't really see that big of an increase in difficulty, most likely because i never used the lend lease strat before with Ethiopia so it only got a little harder since you may have a harder time getting assua, which can lead to worse terrain to hold and a larger front, i also didnt do it all that well because i didnt know you could get off the Chitet while at war so i never did that and wasted my offensive to get to the mercenaries and lessons of war focus so thanks for that little strat. I honestly think if they just reworked some of the industry tree to be faster it would be fine, it just takes so long to do those focuses so you prioritize others while at war and just have no mills to make guns, if you could get some mills earlier you could make some more units and hold fine by microing
Have you actually played Ethiopia since this update came out? Cause to me it feels like you're going off pre-dlc memories.
Anyway, even if you did the amount of people saying they aren't satisfied with the state of Ethiopia and don't enjoy the state it's currently in is enough for me to say that change is needed. Pdx getting right is whole other question.
@@BubblesZest Yes thats why i said i didnt see that big of an increase in difficulty, i even did a different run to get the this time for Africa achievement, i will admit it is harder, but i think its more because of the force concentration thing they added so you get hit real hard get deoorged and if you arent paying attention your front lines can crumble under it
Does it make sense to hold macalle now? It's easier to hold and prevents aussa from being annexed
It does prevent you from getting the mil but given you'll be in a worse defensive position it might be worth it
At least for a while, you can always give it up later when you're better prepared
Please, make a guide for South Africa achievement crusader kings 2 (this one with anti colonialist crusade). I think after changes this achievement is impossible
I still haven't done it in the old versions i wont even try to due it now.
let's ralleyyyy around the emperor-rrrr 💅
Do a video on Cod Wars/Crusader kings 2 please! These achievements are basically 10x harder since UK actually defends their home islands like crazy now.
As Netherlands and other attacked nations it is harder too
I did Ethiopia again and got a victory, I had to use some save scumming but i could easily see someone better than me at this game doing it in one go. However the anti colonial mechanics seem like it's not possible without a walkthrough. First you do support anti british resistance in a state and then you get anti british propaganda but that can only affects states who's resistance you're supporting so in order to get full benefit you need to keep supporting before you can use it although even then it only seemed to get to 88 in somaliland at max after supplying guns and I would've need 90 at least. They should make it so anti british affects all states at once like anti french propaganda then you won't need to worry about supporting resistance first then doing it so it's a but more balanced I guess
I don't if this happens to anyone else but when the war escalation gets to five it go's back to four and they never fixed it sense they got there focus tree
shouldn't you pick northern thrust over victory in the desert since mountains are harder to push through?
Yeah, Ethiopia needs a new look at, especially now that Congo exists. I get that Congo has a colonial overlord, and Ethiopia doesn’t, but the gap between the 2 is way too big. At the very least, Ethiopias debuffes should match Congo. The research debuff in particular is way to big.
I also think another thing that could help would be 2 (small) joint focus trees for Ethiopia. Either between it and the country that hosts the king in exile, or between it and it's overlord (if Italy or the Soviets puppet you), because right now Ethiopia develops way to slowly, especially compared to Congo. A buff to the industry tree would be nice as well, at least let us do more of it earlier!
Personally, other than achievements, I don't know why you would play Ethiopia over Congo. Congo has basically the same paths but better.
The troops spawning in Aussa were there before göttedamerung
Never said they came with it, even have a pre dlc video with them
Unfortunetly same situation happening against argentina as mapuche chile the argentina ai is better than old and i would say thats not skill issue paradox still cant do the game balance
try surviving as finland against the soviets i feel like its so much more harder now lol
Won't bother touching minor nations after the new DLC since I have better things to suffer from.
bit more realistic now
Realism didn't make it enjoyable.
@@BubblesZest there should be two game modes then, super realistic mode (akin to blackice) and regular fun mode thats superficically realistic
Realistically Germany looser war every time. Realistically they never win war in the air with UK. See where this line of though leads us?
@yaboi672 Black Ice sucks ass.
@@BubblesZest Why does every nation need to be '''ENJOYABLE'"'? This mindset is the reason why nations in the nordics and south america are overpowered and stupid to play as these days. It's supposed to be a WW2 game. Ethiopia is going to be weak. If you can't handle that then DON'T PLAY AS ETHIOPIA IN A WW2 game! It's like HOI4 players expect Paradox to turn world history into their personal sandbox memeshit playground like Kaiseredditux
Not even quantity over quality italians have both of them
I do feel like with Aussa, it being a massive gap for the Ethiopians to exploit doesn't feel right for what should be an 'oh fuck' moment. Though maybe it being the Aussa troops flipping over to Italian control would feel better.
I've played ethiopia a shitton you don't even need Aussa hold. Don't know what the big deal is
When the change happened to where Italy gets their units I got caught off guard. Anyways I had to restart once added up winning the war anyways. Turns out infantry equipment, experience, and micro I'd still what you need to win. Usually I prefer the mountaineer general to grind with. I think Eithopia is tough but more because you can only creep with defensive land warfare.
I love you mr zesty bubble
Aussa is so hard now too
Ethiopia sucks to play as anyways
I don't get why you're complaining about this because the entire point is for it to be insufferable. Ethiopia stood no chance in hell at winning IRL so the alt path in game should be very, very hard.
I feel like they should make irregular divisions move though the mountains much faster, 10 days to move one unit is a bit absurd especially for irregulars
Because before it was both challenging and fun but now it is just suffer and this is a game so we are here for fun
Focus Trees for Indonesia and Philippines whenever Japan gets reworked
been saying this
huh
Why do you separate somalia into two counties ? Somalia is one 🇸🇴