17:57 for those who want to know the big news asap. Believe it or not this it's been eight months since the last Italian video, that being Pizza Time. I do like their focus tree it's just I haven't found too much I want to do with them. Like I did plan to do a Not Today video when we thought the achievement was glitched but that got cleared up quickly, this doesn't mean there aren't more Italy videos coming, it's just I'm searching a little more.
I myself got to admire and love the italian focus tree due to focus.nochecks and FA, but even without those 2 i still like how there is a lost of useless advisors, BoP features and even focuses due to just how cheesable and fun is italy with a human behind the scene (editor-silent workhorse-renato ricci in advisors, ignoring BoP decisions, creating like 18 puppets without going to war, cucking anchluss using italian irredentism and manual justifications, etc....)
@@aidenbooksmith2351 No the man speaks the truth, doing the Catholic Dominion in the Papal Tree unlocks forming Rome so the double formable is possible.
I find it weird how there's a Mussolini specific focus under the Greater Italy branch as opposed to the Mare Nostrum branch. It was Mussolini who pushed Roman aesthetics and greatness which upset some other fascists, especially the futurists in Italy.
Mussolini did push the Roman aesthetic route but from what I’ve read about the man there was no serious desire to reform the Roman Empire. That’s just pure meme content.
1. You can form Greater Italy in a somewhat historical game, Mare Nostrum is obviously very althist. 2. The 'detriment' of not getting all the cores with Mare Nostrum also means you dont need all the countries to form the Roman Empire (like Portugal), and you can split some with a pontential ally in MP
@@blazingfish8486 I don't have the BBA DLC but I have all the other ones and I can just form grater Italy whenever I want, could be some mods I always play with that make that a bug but it's always there for me when I check it
If the new DLC comes, I got the feeling that you will continue this little series. Ideas like, "What's the point of the Nordic Defence Council?" or "What's the point of communist Finland?". It really answers the unknown or underrated of the focus tree and the ups and downs of each of them, and I like it. Anyways, great video. 👍
Sad to see this series go. I learned many things I haven't thought of, and saw paths I never would have done, played. May I pick up the torch and 'continue' it on my channel? I have some ideas (but a 20x smaller audience).
A good video, and a nice way to end the season with one that feels like there could be some point. Granted I've not played HOI IV since 2021 but you make the videos interesting and that's good.
I always thought Neo-Rome should be the "Italy First" one and puts you in conflict with Germany, and Greater Italy should be the Axis one that avoids conflict with Germany.
This is a similar strat to what I use, except I like to first invade Portugal, then Netherlands before fighting France. This allows me to apply Italy's compliance bonuses to the East Indies and Macau, allowing for a Italian China fun!
Hi Bubbles, quick question. Under the catholic dominion focus on the hidden pope tree it says it 'unlocks the decision mare nostrum', does that mean the pope can form both the Roman Empire and achieve greater Italy?
I usually form Roman Empire for those cores, but if I wanted to do a more realistic roleplay, then Greater Italy it is. What I admire about it is the nice attack bonuses you can gain from going down its focus path.
You forgot to mention the fact that as you go down the greater Italy path, you get a huge boost to non-core manpower, as well as some other things I believe. So as you are conquering foreign lands, you get a huge boost to manpower.
Bubbles, silent workhorse is useless, it will take literally years only to repay itslelf in terms of PP. 15% + 1.00 = 0.15 additional PP, literally 1000 days to get to 150
Your calculations are wrong, you aren't even considering extra pp gain from stab, also the silent workhorse pays itself in 500 days, quote from Hoi4 forums. "Let's assume I have a base of 2 PP per da, that makes 2*365 = 730 PP per year. With a Workhorse, I'm getting 2*1,15*365 = 839,5 PP per Year. So basically, I'm getting ~110 PP per year more, if my base is 2 PP per day. When I have like 1 PP per Day, I get an additional 55 PP per year out of the workhorse. So in fact, after roughly 1,5 years, the workhorse payed of and is actually producing extra PP." - Arandur87 Now was it worth it in the timeframe I played in? debatably, but that's your call.
personally I like the workhorse. but only if you get them early, like first or second immediately after army xp, or mil production. it depends tho some countries have horrible starting templates, others are useable and can be changed later. im not a gamey or super nerd meta player tho. I just build 2 inf divisions, 1 armor, one mobile, and possibly a sf. and dont every use a calculator to min max shit.
Wdym, balbo is actually an OP path, due to just having "aviation hero" instead of 'silver tongue", air is the most important feature in hoi4 (tbh i am somewhat biased, i dont use at all improve relations💀)
Dont talk shit about that. Its for the more level headed peaceful more civilized people (this is satire if you couldn’t tell i like to go the diplomatic route sometimes)
@@donpollo3154 it is a bit overdone + how does it affect the game? Doesn't Spain remain neutral regardless the only time they never stay neutral is A there in a faction axis, allies or the novus something something one, B there anarchist, democratic they do weird things C iberia union when Spain invades Portugal and takes all there stuff. Regardless of what people think it sorts itself out nationalists win they don't kill you, communists win they may join Comintern ect that's why Switzerland becomes a fortress during the war
17:57 for those who want to know the big news asap.
Believe it or not this it's been eight months since the last Italian video, that being Pizza Time. I do like their focus tree it's just I haven't found too much I want to do with them. Like I did plan to do a Not Today video when we thought the achievement was glitched but that got cleared up quickly, this doesn't mean there aren't more Italy videos coming, it's just I'm searching a little more.
I myself got to admire and love the italian focus tree due to focus.nochecks and FA, but even without those 2 i still like how there is a lost of useless advisors, BoP features and even focuses due to just how cheesable and fun is italy with a human behind the scene (editor-silent workhorse-renato ricci in advisors, ignoring BoP decisions, creating like 18 puppets without going to war, cucking anchluss using italian irredentism and manual justifications, etc....)
If you go pope you can form both greater Italy and rome
@@edoardobaia7927you can't, unless you do some kind of exploit I don't know about
@@aidenbooksmith2351 No the man speaks the truth, doing the Catholic Dominion in the Papal Tree unlocks forming Rome so the double formable is possible.
I find it weird how there's a Mussolini specific focus under the Greater Italy branch as opposed to the Mare Nostrum branch. It was Mussolini who pushed Roman aesthetics and greatness which upset some other fascists, especially the futurists in Italy.
It's not good for monarchy rp which is always the main focus of every new alt history tree let's be real
Mussolini did push the Roman aesthetic route but from what I’ve read about the man there was no serious desire to reform the Roman Empire. That’s just pure meme content.
1. You can form Greater Italy in a somewhat historical game, Mare Nostrum is obviously very althist.
2. The 'detriment' of not getting all the cores with Mare Nostrum also means you dont need all the countries to form the Roman Empire (like Portugal), and you can split some with a pontential ally in MP
you don’t need portugal for the Roman Empire. You only need to have control of every province bordering the mediterranean sea.
If you don't have dlc's, then you can't form mare nostrum. In that circumstance Greater Italy is good
Why buy the DLC mods can do it better for free there's a shrek mod a modern mod ect
The update that came with BBA did actually update the Italian focus tree, so you can go greater Italy or mare nostrum with no dlcs.
You can, you just have to take the focus "Mare Nostrum"
@@tech_red4277but without Waking the Tiger DLC you can't actually get a decision to form it
@@blazingfish8486 I don't have the BBA DLC but I have all the other ones and I can just form grater Italy whenever I want, could be some mods I always play with that make that a bug but it's always there for me when I check it
If the new DLC comes, I got the feeling that you will continue this little series. Ideas like, "What's the point of the Nordic Defence Council?" or "What's the point of communist Finland?".
It really answers the unknown or underrated of the focus tree and the ups and downs of each of them, and I like it.
Anyways, great video. 👍
I think you literally predicted the pointless focus trees
@@donpollo3154 i think those are the rt56 pointless trews
So whats the point of greater germany
Sad to see this series go. I learned many things I haven't thought of, and saw paths I never would have done, played. May I pick up the torch and 'continue' it on my channel? I have some ideas (but a 20x smaller audience).
Okay.
Why not do a "What's the point of "A Greater Purpose" focus?"
@@masterbobli4371 Sure.
@@Mici delightful.
A good video, and a nice way to end the season with one that feels like there could be some point.
Granted I've not played HOI IV since 2021 but you make the videos interesting and that's good.
7:35 cold moment 🥶
Been a very fun series up to this point, cheers man
I always do this path, it's more historically functional + it's good for rp
I always thought Neo-Rome should be the "Italy First" one and puts you in conflict with Germany, and Greater Italy should be the Axis one that avoids conflict with Germany.
Mussolini: Denounce french ideals
Grand Council: That's it, you're fired
The king: *Eats pasta in background*
Yes finally! thanks for doing my request :P
I really enjoyed the Whats the Point series. Hopefully you bring it back, I will be waiting.
15% extra organization is overpowered from the national spirit
This is a similar strat to what I use, except I like to first invade Portugal, then Netherlands before fighting France.
This allows me to apply Italy's compliance bonuses to the East Indies and Macau, allowing for a Italian China fun!
I love the video bro keep it up
Hi Bubbles, quick question. Under the catholic dominion focus on the hidden pope tree it says it 'unlocks the decision mare nostrum', does that mean the pope can form both the Roman Empire and achieve greater Italy?
Yes
@@BubblesZest Thanks, now i know what my next run's going to be.
HOLY, ITALIA IRREDENTISM AND A ROMAN EMPIRE
I usually form Roman Empire for those cores, but if I wanted to do a more realistic roleplay, then Greater Italy it is. What I admire about it is the nice attack bonuses you can gain from going down its focus path.
I assume you can still do both Greater Italy and Mere Nostrum with the Pope path
it's interesting if you want to do something similar to ww2 without exploits to form the roman empire xD
I'll tell you the point, it looks nice
You forgot to mention the fact that as you go down the greater Italy path, you get a huge boost to non-core manpower, as well as some other things I believe. So as you are conquering foreign lands, you get a huge boost to manpower.
16:03
I personally love doing Italian Empire and Hegemony as Dino!
It's funny to think what's the point of Greater Italy when there's...... "Italian Hegemony."
07 Bye whats the point. You shall be missed.
I love doing greater italy and mappainting vassals around me
I like the Grandi/Balbo paths I just go down Mare Nostrum.
Why would you ever go down Greater Italy when you can core important quarter of the map? Other than for RP reasons
One is easier to Larp in MP games one is for the CORES
“Doos”
Hey it was me that asked that
The reason for it is roleplaying
1:45 couldn’t you have just kept the states with your core?
How did your paras drop, everytime i try to go for rome i set up my paras and they never drop?
Hold my beer, You Denmark democratically hold of Soviets and Germans to lead to world conquest on new DLC
Please make a what’s the point for Fascist Norway
Bubbles, silent workhorse is useless, it will take literally years only to repay itslelf in terms of PP. 15% + 1.00 = 0.15 additional PP, literally 1000 days to get to 150
Your calculations are wrong, you aren't even considering extra pp gain from stab, also the silent workhorse pays itself in 500 days, quote from Hoi4 forums.
"Let's assume I have a base of 2 PP per da, that makes 2*365 = 730 PP per year.
With a Workhorse, I'm getting 2*1,15*365 = 839,5 PP per Year.
So basically, I'm getting ~110 PP per year more, if my base is 2 PP per day. When I have like 1 PP per Day, I get an additional 55 PP per year out of the workhorse.
So in fact, after roughly 1,5 years, the workhorse payed of and is actually producing extra PP." - Arandur87
Now was it worth it in the timeframe I played in? debatably, but that's your call.
The base pp gain is 2, actually, so workhorse is exactly two times better than your comment states
personally I like the workhorse. but only if you get them early, like first or second immediately after army xp, or mil production. it depends tho some countries have horrible starting templates, others are useable and can be changed later. im not a gamey or super nerd meta player tho. I just build 2 inf divisions, 1 armor, one mobile, and possibly a sf. and dont every use a calculator to min max shit.
How complaince got nerfed in bba
Compliance gain itself was nerfed in bba, it goes up slower and thus the civilian oversight meta died since resistance would go too high.
What the point of going with balbo
Wdym, balbo is actually an OP path, due to just having "aviation hero" instead of 'silver tongue", air is the most important feature in hoi4 (tbh i am somewhat biased, i dont use at all improve relations💀)
@@juanon_industries7256 balbo is pretty much mussolini with extra steps and no joining axis, people do grandi cause you can join allies probably
You don’t core cyro
Dont talk shit about that. Its for the more level headed peaceful more civilized people (this is satire if you couldn’t tell i like to go the diplomatic route sometimes)
What's The Point of you profile pic? just curious its a weird statue
Stop getting involved in the Spanish civil war also you could of attacked France before the UK guarantees them
6:02. Why take France and Britain in two separate wars when I can take them in one?
Are you telling the Bubbles Zest to not get involved in the Spanish civil war
@@donpollo3154 it is a bit overdone + how does it affect the game? Doesn't Spain remain neutral regardless the only time they never stay neutral is A there in a faction axis, allies or the novus something something one, B there anarchist, democratic they do weird things C iberia union when Spain invades Portugal and takes all there stuff. Regardless of what people think it sorts itself out nationalists win they don't kill you, communists win they may join Comintern ect that's why Switzerland becomes a fortress during the war