I love the car creeping at the 12 minute mark. The video itself is amazing and very descriptive, especially on the suspension and small upgrades. And McClaren makes all carbon monoxide body right? Nissan only went half in so the narrator is right about the carbon placement (Carbon composite)
@@gbsoffiati A tranny SHOULD last 150k miles, Toyota's aren't special in that regard. It's just that Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Chrysler make garbage transmissions.
It was $70,000 when it first came out, hardly a bargain for 2008. It's not budget friendly. That said for $100,000 it's a decent bargain for the robust drive train. You can easily mod it up to 800 hp before you need to go inside the transmission. It will beat the vast majority of anything on the road at that power level. You would need that power to beat a 720S anyway.
and another year after that, gear knob thinner by 2mm and carbon fiber tyre valve caps, tacho needle thinner by 0.1mm, rim paint thinner by 50 micron for less unsprung mass for total 300 gram weight saving and its again the fastest ever round a track.
My supervisor gave me tea once which would clear me out. 2AM. 7AM. It was unnerving and then I hiked 4-6000 feet the next day up a mountain and back. That's when I learned I'm too old to do that. Lol Maybe it wasn't a race but maybe I had less to carry! Lol
You could build a crazy time attack GTR for $100k over stock, OR an amazing daily driver with 800hp+ and drop a couple hundred pounds of weight. $100k is a ton of money over stock for what is basically new turbos, a body kit, and carbon ceramic brakes.
I just realized that the NSX is lighter, cheaper, and as fast (/slightly faster) than the GTR Nismo. Even in 2016 when it launched it was only slightly more expensive.
HeavyRayne I work at an Acura dealership and someone straight up bought one for 144k before tax. They perform great but don’t sell so they dropped the price from sticker which was 177k before tax.
You can't have bazingamous power for free. All those ponies come at a cost. They should work together with Toyota and bring a car with less HP, less weight and better handling. This chase to the last pony is a joke.
MSRP of 2008 GTR was $76k now it’s over $200k. That’s 911 turbo or McLaren 570S money. The whole point of the original proposition was a “bargain” Porsche slayer.
Compared a base gtr to the top trim nismo. Yeah okay, nice logic there. Base for base, it went up to 100k. Not 200k. Also, calculating inflation. 76k 2008 is just over 90k on 2019 money. So about 10k more expensive. But is a 2020 gtr a 10k better car than a 2008 model? Better transmission reliability, better performance, and better looks? I say yes.
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Problem is that the platform is old and there's a limit to how much you can improve a thing to a pricepoint before it doesnt make sense whatsoever. And now at 200k it doesnt make sense to sell the car because either it's slow or either it's expensive. Hope next gen car is really close. Love the gtr but i feel we need to tell the truth
it's very fast and expensive. no one can possibly say the Gtr is slow no matter how long they use the same chassis. how many cars do 11 secs or high 10 quarter mile and under 3 secs 0-60? what's the price point of those cars. The GTR is expensive but it's priced competitively.
I'm not exactly a Nissan GTR fan. But here's what I think. It's a platform that's specifically build for the R 35. I think. So there's quite a bit of potential from the get go. It has impressive numbers and still hangs with the top dogs.. The aftermarket support is still one of the biggest. And if it ever reaches its full potential, Nissan should be able to reasses the next Gen to ensure its that much better. The fact they are still finding improvements is a good sign of its platform.
We just saw one at a gas station near us here in MO. I think it was a 2020. I will say...it still turns heads. Im not super into these GTRs but they always make me rubber-neck when I see one.
They've been working on that, since 2014, I know Nissan premium team "INFINITI ", is teamed up with their Formula 1, racing team to produce 3 Sports performance vehicles, the 1st will be the "INFINITI BLACK S", equivalent power as a track GTR, with a little extra tweet....
@@Traumatree gtr could continue for about a decade until the new one comes out, that would make the gtr the only supercar that embodies the double-decade at the start of the 21st century
Come in hawaii,the cheapest house you can find here is $250k for 2 bedrooms 1 bath and a garage. I preffer a brand new house,but those will cost here from $500k+
Right? I mean, I like the GTR and would love to have one... but not for 210k. It amazes me that they can find a market for an 11 yo car that costs that much
Nice video and great looking Nismo as always! But keep in mind you can get a full spec amg gtr, a gt3rs, an R8 performance for the same amount of money. Personally I wouldn’t even put gtr nismo as a competition to any of the above track monsters. The exhaust note, the interior quality, and the fact it is so old.
For a GTR with that pricetag it should have a transmission capable of rivaling the Porsche PDK. Sadly it doesn't. A transmission on PDK level would justify that price in a heartbeat.
@@RiasGremoryS54 on a highway... Porsches aren't roll racing cars any 500 hp car can walk a gt3 RS. Now around a track that extra mass of the r35 is gonna be the determining factor
The price is about right for this car! Reason is so that it’ll be rare and not too many on the streets, a neck breaker, most desirable, it is not for everyone and it will be your dream car 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼 Don’t give up on that dream! I love this beast! It always put a smile on my face every time I drive it! It is so awesome! You gotta own one to experience one! The Mclarens must be having a cruise day. Great video Jason!
Very nice as a fan but 200k, it is a bit much, car ain't even part of the hypercar trend under the prior platform, yet do like the suggestion get a base premium put the Nismo tires and call it a day, save 100k, no brainer there.
There's a performance shop in Texas that builds this motor to huge HP. I'd get a plain GTR, bore it out or stroke it, jack those turbos up too and have some real fun for a lot less money. I love this car.
I'm so glad you said relevant dinosaur. I misread it for a second! Lol my 1999 Toyota Corolla will skip gears and it doesn't even have a dual clutch transmission so.... hmm...
If you saw the lecture by the designer of the GTR, its the car's weight that gives it traction in the curves. For a 3,900 lb car, its a missile (0-60 in 2.7 seconds, a quarter mile speed of 11 seconds and a top speed of 202 mph). You can't get that kind of performance in any vehicle without spending double the price of the GTR at a minimum. For the dollar, it's the best buy on the market hands down. Nuff said!
Again? If your are the same smart car buyer that thinks a GT86 and Nissan 370 are still viable cars, then you might believe that. However we live in reality and no they aren't fixing what's not broken. You want a lightweight car get a 720S, I mean Drag Times has one you can get one..... He's owned a GTR before.
Lots to learn about this car engine and performance improvement, lucky you manage to explain clearly hihi.. its a great car, my son owns it.. really really awesome. Tq bro..😬💪
I wish they would just make a weight reduction special GT-R. In my mind, you just can't justify the cost. The new Corvette just dropped and once some tuning folks touch it we are some 8:1 compression pistons and a centrifugal supercharger away from 1000hp going through that transmission. Then transmission overhauls to make it good for a roots supercharger set-up holding 1000 ft-lbs of torque. Then turbo set-ups, etc. The GT-R is about to die, I'm a nissan fan boy from way back. I own a 1981 Datsun 280zx Turbo (auto )and 1990 240sx with an RB25DET installed. In 12 years you would think they learned something new and that's why NISMO's are $200,000, but Nissan is about Rogues and Versas, it's just not right.
Brilliant was that (brief) shot at 2:52 where pov is on your left shoulder = able to see the road and the rev counter ..loved it, wanted to see the roll on from it. (maybe you do, a bit to go yet)
So strange that the transmission acts in such a way. I wonder if it's a physical constraint or if it's just software. I only say that because it's been out for a decade and it's hard for me to believe that that logic where it goes through each gear individually before giving you the one you want wasn't programmed out. I have an APR tuned Mk7 GTI with a dual clutch and even in it's stock form, if I'm at 50mph rolling along in 6th and slam the throttle, it drops immediately to 3rd gear without going from 5th to 4th first and with the DSG tune, it's even quicker to do that. Very strange that the GTR has been around for so long and this hasn't been addressed.
@@truantray 🤔 BorgWarner designed the DQ250 dual clutch that's in my GTI and it has been rock solid. It will drop from 6th to 3rd on hard throttle input pretty much immediately and I've been running around 330 horsepower and around 330 lb ft through it without issue for a good while now. BorgWarner makes the GTR transmission too if I recall so I'm just surprised I guess that this is it's function. If it operates like this by mechanical design in this specific application, so be it, but I'm just surprised that if it's a software limitation that it hasn't been tuned out/altered by now. The last option is that it intentionally functions like that, but that just seems like a very strange choice.
Lets be honest a 0.26 drag coefficient is extremely impressive from a high horsepower car design to go very fast, has cooling vents, and aero. Most other cars in this category are around 0.34-0.36 which is 30-40% less than the category average.
That when you shifted the gears and said it feels clunky and noisy,thats normal when your AC is ON.try turn it off.thats why us subie owner always preffer NOT using our AC even the climate/weather is HOT lol.because of this common issue when our AC is ON.and we love the rumble sound and the wind better.
@@AzathothsAlarmClock Agree' + it's a big car, with a heavy duty awd, and big cars needs - big tires/wheels/brakes, etc. Imho gtr is a horrible track car.
Still gets destroyed by the 4 year old Viper ACR and the new ZR1. Can it even beat the Z06 or ZL1 1LE Camaro yet? Cause both of those cars beat it around VIR when they were tested
@Jeffrey Cheng As it should, because it costs twice as much. The point being that at 100k, the GTR is an incredible car, though showing some age. At 200k, it's well below average.
On the topic of his complaint about the rear fenders, being that they attach/support the C pillars I bet it's structurally integral to its rollover safety rating. 🤔
RS 390 But a dated sports car already has computers all over, and in the last 10 years we saw huge improvement how these computers were tuned towards better drive enjoyment. If you want analogue, you need 90’s, or early 2000s car, or skipped right through the new ones.
I think the doors being alu is for safety as theres not much reinforcement in them. Rear fenders being in steel could also be for grip as its a front in engine. Most cars with carbon rear fenders have mid or rear engines from what ive seen?
I agree. 600hp is plenty good due to that AWD system. I have a 400hp rt charger with AWD and its waaaaay more fun than any of the higher HP cars ive been in. you can have alllll the HP in the world but it makes little difference if you cant get it all to the ground ;)
it definitely needs the jesko transmission you told me that its able to skip many gears in a really short time so that would be an improvement for the gtr (theoretical) btw: the jesko transmission vid was one of the best videos i ever saw about cars and i definitely watched more than 5000 hours until now
I think the flooring it in 6th issue has something to do with the clutch packs. 1 pack operates the odd gears and the other operates the even gears when upshifting, you have a clutch pack in standby for the next gear to be selected so it going through every gear on the downshift may have something to do with that.
Best looking GTR so far! Still wondering why they still put the brake calipers in the front part of the the wheels when competitors are putting them on the opposite side for better cooling.
Thats one of the reasons why i still love this car. Despite all that weight it still managed to keep up with the competition for almost 11 years. Chris Harris himself admitted that its hard to believe how the GT R does what it does despite that increased mass. But yes......nissan definitely needs to bring in a new GT R. Perhaps more lighter and faster. When launched in 2008 it was like way ahead of its time . But in 2019 other manufacturers have really went ahead in terms of technology.
Why not carbon fiber "fenders" (I assume you are referring to the rear quarter panels since you already said the front fenders were cf)? Um well because they are a welded and bonded part of the body.
Not necessarily, the R35 design has stated a few times now that the GT-R was specifically designed to be a heavy car so it could have high traction without the for need crazy aero packages to increase down-force. This was actually informally tested by Randy Pobst when he drove a stripped down GT-R for a racing event at Pikes Peak, he had numerous stability issues in testing with the stripped down GT-R due to this.
BigHeadClan bs, whatever else the problems were, being lightweight is never one of them. Why are all other racing cars so light? Or do f1 cars weight 2g’s also?
@@tomster7574 First your comparing full on race car (not to mention F1 cars) to road going cars, the legal and real world requirements between the two are vastly different. Second you need to understand that a high power light-weight car requires a lot of active aero simply to generate enough down-force just so they can get that power to the ground not to mention so they don't take off at higher speeds.... The fact the GT-R has little to no active aero and was spanking nearly every other super car under $300K for nearly 8 years is proof of that.
@@BigHeadClan dude, you seem to think physics cares about the cars you like about how it applies gravity to them. theeee only reason it may out perform any other car is the amount of turbo boost it has over them. simple, easy, so sad its not for you.
@@DENicholsAutoBravado The designer for the R35 believed that weight = more traction, so that philosophy will be around for until the R36 (if it ever becomes a thing).
@@inspirice9844 in think that's absolutely right. When the rear quarter panels stayed steel or something heavier than carbon fiber, I was thinking, maybe that's for the weight! They probably made carbon fiber for that as well, noticed more slip in turns and put it back. Or another consideration is that body panels don't have to be just for show and aerodymanics. They can also assist unibody strength, which could effect the suspension.
@@inspirice9844 when it's built to be used for strength sure. When a car is getting riced out with a cheap carbon fiber hood...those tend to be weak and easily broken. That's most of the carbon fiber I've seen so I forgot when engineered well it can be for strength too.
I remember about 10 years ago I lived on a street that looked just like the one you were driving on in this video. Back when I lived in Ann Arbor Michigan. It was a beautiful road called Huron River Drive. I used to ride my motorcycle up and down that road. 10 years later, I live in this boring flat anemic city of Houston, there's traffic in every direction, and there isn't a corner in sight. The largest elevation change is the speed bump. In a span of 1 year, 50 miles of I-94 was rebuilt near Detroit. In a span of 5 years, I-45 in Houston hasn't even finished the damn 1 mile stretch next to Nasa pkwy. ah... the 401k hwy of I-45.
Nismo branding. You pay for the badge! It's commom in high end manufacturers. And in 30 years a nismo badged GTR will worth more money. Silly rich stuff.
When you only need the engine to last for maybe 3 or 4 runs, you can get an insane amount of power out of almost all motors. The biggest limiting factor becomes block strength, after everything else is replaced and upgraded, and Nissan made a strong block.
@@cgunugc Most of those guys get a year or more out of their motors. 4 runs would barely make it through a test and tune for one event. Very few engines can hold 500hp per cylinder.
I'm guessing it's a software issue (rather than hardware) that causes the incremental down-shifting? If so, could this not be remedied with a computer and an internet (or something)?
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*starts talking about how weight doesn't matter to manufacturers
*McLaren sends their goons
Oh. Haha! Why so many McLaren's? Amazing!
@@DENicholsAutoBravado Probably one of them touring events they host often.
@@DENicholsAutoBravadoy
..and a porsche lol
Mc laren slow
You explaining supercars, this is too much, thank you, keep going.
I love the car creeping at the 12 minute mark. The video itself is amazing and very descriptive, especially on the suspension and small upgrades. And McClaren makes all carbon monoxide body right? Nissan only went half in so the narrator is right about the carbon placement
(Carbon composite)
@@JOutterbridge All carbon monoxide. Just pure smoke. Lightest material there is.
@@mbrunnme 😁😂🤣😃
Johnny Outterbridge Da Fuk? Carbon Monoxide?
@@JOutterbridge yea carbon monoxide.....so light it can kill you by inhaling it...without oxygen of course
Transmission guaranteed for 70,000 miles or 20,000 miles, whichever comes first.
after that what happens
Wow, I've seen some 100.000 mile corollas with original trans
People who haven't worked on or owned one probably don't get this. 😂
@@gbsoffiati A tranny SHOULD last 150k miles, Toyota's aren't special in that regard. It's just that Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Chrysler make garbage transmissions.
@@gbsoffiati Is that surprising to you? Legitimate question - I want to know what your experience with transmissions has been.
This thing is no longer a budget supercar, like when it first came out.
The NISMO was never the budget car bud...that would be the premium
The NISMO was 150k at launch. Budget supercar describes cars like the GT500 and Z06.
It was $70,000 when it first came out, hardly a bargain for 2008. It's not budget friendly. That said for $100,000 it's a decent bargain for the robust drive train. You can easily mod it up to 800 hp before you need to go inside the transmission. It will beat the vast majority of anything on the road at that power level. You would need that power to beat a 720S anyway.
Its getting too old. This and the 370z
You can get a couple nice Corvettes for one of these.
Nissan: "wait till next year when we bump up the horsepower by 10, it will be the fastest gtr ever again!"
Yeah and don't forget the casual $50k price rise so it's still the most expensive...
Haha yes aswell as i new splitter or something.... the whole gtr needs a new fresh decent look
and another year after that, gear knob thinner by 2mm and carbon fiber tyre valve caps, tacho needle thinner by 0.1mm, rim paint thinner by 50 micron for less unsprung mass for total 300 gram weight saving and its again the fastest ever round a track.
NotAsian and the price will be 400K
Subaru: Hold my beer.
So... Buy a 2019, put some decent pads and rotors on, fit the new tires, and take a solid dump before you head out on track.
Make it count! 😂
Pre-game dump I always say!
Yeah! That works a lot. Hahahaha
My supervisor gave me tea once which would clear me out. 2AM. 7AM. It was unnerving and then I hiked 4-6000 feet the next day up a mountain and back. That's when I learned I'm too old to do that. Lol
Maybe it wasn't a race but maybe I had less to carry! Lol
Use the carbon fiber toilet for takin fast shits!
I feel like for 100,000 dollars over stock, you could build a much faster gtr than the nismo
probably not as reliable
@@remstesthd6784 Blow up your setup and you still have another 50k to rebuild it
You could build a crazy time attack GTR for $100k over stock, OR an amazing daily driver with 800hp+ and drop a couple hundred pounds of weight. $100k is a ton of money over stock for what is basically new turbos, a body kit, and carbon ceramic brakes.
bigger intercoolers, turbos, injectors, Sheptrans transmission upgrade, and a dyno tune should be around 100k.
Try selling a modified GTR good luck. At the end of the day it only worth a standard GTR.
So, is no one going to mention the NSX that rolled by at 12:00?
Probably should have watched the entire video before I mentioned it.... 17:35
I just realized that the NSX is lighter, cheaper, and as fast (/slightly faster) than the GTR Nismo. Even in 2016 when it launched it was only slightly more expensive.
I was gonna like this, but I can't break the 69 likes ;)
NSX is a better looking car to boot.
HeavyRayne I work at an Acura dealership and someone straight up bought one for 144k before tax. They perform great but don’t sell so they dropped the price from sticker which was 177k before tax.
@@israelj.7721 sport cars dont sell well altogether. impractical toy expenses
Easiest 68lb loss. Put Jason in the drivers seat instead of myself.
Yes. Pay him the extra $5k to drive it for you...but then you don't get to drive it. :(
Saved another 30 pounds by put me in
Guy is borderline anorexic...
@@sherlockhonks2514 I don't think you know what anorexia looks like
@@rdmz135 I said "borderline anorexic". Not "anorexic".
This would be a fantastic car at half the price.
Less than that
Like every other car at their half the price.
You can't have bazingamous power for free. All those ponies come at a cost. They should work together with Toyota and bring a car with less HP, less weight and better handling. This chase to the last pony is a joke.
Evan Mulcahy because this car cost 200k with options while the base 600LT cost 240k.
@@yummyhershey5902 that is a pretty good reason, but when we are talking about 200k 40 is chump change
McLaren drivers: Let's have an all McLaren fun run.
Porsche driver: Cool. I'm in.
When you wanna do a supercar day, but all you have is a Boxster...
@Professor Liberal Avenger Burn.
CaptainSparklez: Yes.
I dont get the joke, can you pls explain?
@@seelyw.4818 watch the video again.n maybe play the last 1/3 in slow mo.
"Turbo lag" is incorrect. The correct terminology is "Foreplay"
MSRP of 2008 GTR was $76k now it’s over $200k. That’s 911 turbo or McLaren 570S money.
The whole point of the original proposition was a “bargain” Porsche slayer.
Compared a base gtr to the top trim nismo. Yeah okay, nice logic there.
Base for base, it went up to 100k. Not 200k.
Also, calculating inflation. 76k 2008 is just over 90k on 2019 money. So about 10k more expensive. But is a 2020 gtr a 10k better car than a 2008 model? Better transmission reliability, better performance, and better looks? I say yes.
And now its an expensive non porsche slayer lol
That NISMO badge is very very expensive!!!!!
Nismo has always been expensive. See the R34 Nismos and stuff like that
@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt bruh
The price is a joke! I mean come on Nissan...
If you think this this is a joke consider the lfa which costs over $100k more and couldnt even beat the older model of the GTR Nismo. Lol.
They not making you buy the top trim you can have fun with the base model
@@conradsealy9603 LFA is about the Exclusivity & Innovation of the time. Not to mention the sound it made! Gtr's are a dime a dozen
@@conradsealy9603 Atleast LFA had it's own reasons.
@@anthonymolina7416 Base is alot of fun! No doubt! Its one of the Hardest ever pulling cars ive ever sat in my life!!!
I have been subscribed to dozens of channels; car channels, prank channels, religious channels. Your the only channel I have ever been signed up for notifications.
That is so very kind, I really appreciate you watching! :)
^the man, the myth, the legend!
@@j.3854 the man, the math, the legend
The math, the mayth, the mathend.
I think you’re the only person who can be legit excited for such minor changes in this car lol still watched the video, great as always
Problem is that the platform is old and there's a limit to how much you can improve a thing to a pricepoint before it doesnt make sense whatsoever. And now at 200k it doesnt make sense to sell the car because either it's slow or either it's expensive. Hope next gen car is really close. Love the gtr but i feel we need to tell the truth
If you keep watching, I get into this. :)
@@EngineeringExplained true. Im a little bit anxious.😂💪💪
it's very fast and expensive. no one can possibly say the Gtr is slow no matter how long they use the same chassis. how many cars do 11 secs or high 10 quarter mile and under 3 secs 0-60? what's the price point of those cars. The GTR is expensive but it's priced competitively.
I'm not exactly a Nissan GTR fan. But here's what I think.
It's a platform that's specifically build for the R 35. I think. So there's quite a bit of potential from the get go. It has impressive numbers and still hangs with the top dogs.. The aftermarket support is still one of the biggest.
And if it ever reaches its full potential, Nissan should be able to reasses the next Gen to ensure its that much better.
The fact they are still finding improvements is a good sign of its platform.
@@stevornrichards1380 An M5 Competition or an E63S can do these numbers and they are both more than 50k cheaper
We just saw one at a gas station near us here in MO. I think it was a 2020. I will say...it still turns heads. Im not super into these GTRs but they always make me rubber-neck when I see one.
I'm enjoying watching your good video.
I support you in Korea.
I think it's time for a new generation of GT-R
Watch Nissan milks this car until 2030
new gtr is in the works. the designer is just waiting on approval from the board.
per article on jalopnik
It is . It's just that Nissan doesn't think so.
Cheaper as well
They've been working on that, since 2014, I know Nissan premium team "INFINITI ", is teamed up with their Formula 1, racing team to produce 3 Sports performance vehicles, the 1st will be the "INFINITI BLACK S", equivalent power as a track GTR, with a little extra tweet....
So it's basically a 2008 GTR with some chassis tuning, aero and bolt ons.
Tesla Roadster pretty much ....
Tesla Roadster is bad
yup...
Haha true. Which can also be said of a 04 STI to a 19. Lol
This is much faster.
IT has a Supercar price for a car that weighs as much as a saloon and has tech from 2008. Doesn't sound like a great deal for me
But it probably will be the last analogue supercar you can have right now
@@Traumatree gtr could continue for about a decade until the new one comes out, that would make the gtr the only supercar that embodies the double-decade at the start of the 21st century
@@peperoninja387 The GTR has been a rolling computer since it was released.
I sometimes get mad when i hear someone complain about the Nissan GT-R.
Prob mean the 370z, which was a Nissan micra ecu from 2008
I just love this channel, listening without video during business hours.
I wish you would do more techy car reviews like this... you hit all the points that matter. You’re the best reviewer on RUclips
If I sold my house i could get one. How many bedrooms does it have?
The trunk is pretty big.
Spoken like a true Midwestern, Deep Southerner or somebody else that lives in the rust belt.
ROFLMAO!!!!
Come in hawaii,the cheapest house you can find here is $250k for 2 bedrooms 1 bath and a garage. I preffer a brand new house,but those will cost here from $500k+
@@jackcollin1695 Damn, sounds like the northeast on the mainland. Prices are RIDICULOUSLY HIGH!.
But if you can stroke the check, you can play
Really never understood the hate for these things (other than the price tag). They are awesome, I'd love to drive one...
GT3 RS, AMG GT R, used Huracan... yeah, you really gotta be a Nissan fanboy to buy this.
Right? I mean, I like the GTR and would love to have one... but not for 210k. It amazes me that they can find a market for an 11 yo car that costs that much
true but thus is a 4 seater. I know it's that big of a deal. it's too damm expensive.
@@fondfarewell2 4 seater only for midgets. but anyway there's the 911 Turbo
This is gonna depreciate like a woman over 35
tbh i do think of a 2009 gtr sometimes bcz its around $35k
Nice video and great looking Nismo as always! But keep in mind you can get a full spec amg gtr, a gt3rs, an R8 performance for the same amount of money. Personally I wouldn’t even put gtr nismo as a competition to any of the above track monsters. The exhaust note, the interior quality, and the fact it is so old.
Thank you for a very good detailed review of the nismo, even down to how much they have softened the suspension.
Thanks for uploading this video 😀
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@bob smith 🤣
does your name mean "round cat?" Lol
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You cannot literally translate the name.
It’s just a user-name on RUclips.
For a GTR with that pricetag it should have a transmission capable of rivaling the Porsche PDK. Sadly it doesn't.
A transmission on PDK level would justify that price in a heartbeat.
Neo VeNoM But a 2012 GT-R beat a GT3 PDK on highway you can see on Gtboard video ^^’
@@RiasGremoryS54 on a highway... Porsches aren't roll racing cars any 500 hp car can walk a gt3 RS. Now around a track that extra mass of the r35 is gonna be the determining factor
Xantho Poulos Most of GTR owners are looking for street cred.
@@tylerdavidson2400 yeah
The price is about right for this car! Reason is so that it’ll be rare and not too many on the streets, a neck breaker, most desirable, it is not for everyone and it will be your dream car 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼 Don’t give up on that dream! I love this beast! It always put a smile on my face every time I drive it! It is so awesome! You gotta own one to experience one! The Mclarens must be having a cruise day. Great video Jason!
This idea that something is irrelevant because it's old, is ridiculous.
Great review dude thanx👍👍
Very nice as a fan but 200k, it is a bit much, car ain't even part of the hypercar trend under the prior platform, yet do like the suggestion get a base premium put the Nismo tires and call it a day, save 100k, no brainer there.
There's a performance shop in Texas that builds this motor to huge HP. I'd get a plain GTR, bore it out or stroke it, jack those turbos up too and have some real fun for a lot less money. I love this car.
It's a relevant dinosaur. A longitudinal engine with AWD is still rad. It's frikkin Godzilla.
I'm so glad you said relevant dinosaur. I misread it for a second! Lol my 1999 Toyota Corolla will skip gears and it doesn't even have a dual clutch transmission so.... hmm...
@@DENicholsAutoBravado Nissan transmission are a bitter hag
I always feel happy when a GT-R wins in a race.
its easier to fix too unlike the competition
If you saw the lecture by the designer of the GTR, its the car's weight that gives it traction in the curves. For a 3,900 lb car, its a missile (0-60 in 2.7 seconds, a quarter mile speed of 11 seconds and a top speed of 202 mph). You can't get that kind of performance in any vehicle without spending double the price of the GTR at a minimum. For the dollar, it's the best buy on the market hands down. Nuff said!
An amazing content creator reviewing my favorite car... Thank you so much!
Thanks for watching Brandon!
@Open Ranks What! You don't like crunchy transmissions that work an engine that sounds like a vacuum cleaner orgy??? Please...
Perfect timing for that NSX pass-by
Basically nissan is neglecting their sports cars again.
Again? If your are the same smart car buyer that thinks a GT86 and Nissan 370 are still viable cars, then you might believe that. However we live in reality and no they aren't fixing what's not broken. You want a lightweight car get a 720S, I mean Drag Times has one you can get one..... He's owned a GTR before.
Have been for years
Dark green GTR + yellow calipers... would be an awesome godzilla combo!
Yup
bottom line is that it doesn't look like a 200k car
@Victor Hugo That is why rich people get richer
@Daan Made in Holland fine. Then why are you watching this video ? Go watch a video of a gt4.
@Daan Made in Holland The GT4 doesn't beat this car dumbass.
I do agree for that price I rather buy c8 Chevrolet corvette for me any day
@@inspirice9844 how?
This GTR is older than I am! Time for a new one.
For $98,000 you could take it to AMS and make it +800hp
11:58 - "Is this thing still relevant or is it this ancient dinosaur?" - and then a new NSX drives by on road.
I see what you are doing Jason ;)
That Honda NSX at 12:06 when talking about dinosaurs. Hilarious !
Lots to learn about this car engine and performance improvement, lucky you manage to explain clearly hihi.. its a great car, my son owns it.. really really awesome. Tq bro..😬💪
I wish they would just make a weight reduction special GT-R. In my mind, you just can't justify the cost. The new Corvette just dropped and once some tuning folks touch it we are some 8:1 compression pistons and a centrifugal supercharger away from 1000hp going through that transmission. Then transmission overhauls to make it good for a roots supercharger set-up holding 1000 ft-lbs of torque. Then turbo set-ups, etc. The GT-R is about to die, I'm a nissan fan boy from way back. I own a 1981 Datsun 280zx Turbo (auto )and 1990 240sx with an RB25DET installed. In 12 years you would think they learned something new and that's why NISMO's are $200,000, but Nissan is about Rogues and Versas, it's just not right.
I think the Nismo should drop the rear seats like Porsche does in the 911
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Rear seats are basically useless for an average size adult. I guess it's good if you have kids to lug around.
Brilliant was that (brief) shot at 2:52 where pov is on your left shoulder = able to see the road and the rev counter ..loved it, wanted to see the roll on from it. (maybe you do, a bit to go yet)
If I ever won the lottery I always thought I'd buy a GT-R depending on how much I won I think I might consider rethinking my logic
Thank you for your videos!!! It is really good!!! Not only for automitive fans but for everyone!!!
Nissan- Guys, let's make hardly any change to this car and sell it for 40,000 more.
Don't forget that tarifs and lowering value of dollars are two elements that are also a factor to count in.
FlightRL Porsche/Audi/Vw has been getting away with that for years
What an AMAZING machine! Nissan has really got this car dialed in! Well done Nissan. Well done.
So strange that the transmission acts in such a way. I wonder if it's a physical constraint or if it's just software. I only say that because it's been out for a decade and it's hard for me to believe that that logic where it goes through each gear individually before giving you the one you want wasn't programmed out. I have an APR tuned Mk7 GTI with a dual clutch and even in it's stock form, if I'm at 50mph rolling along in 6th and slam the throttle, it drops immediately to 3rd gear without going from 5th to 4th first and with the DSG tune, it's even quicker to do that. Very strange that the GTR has been around for so long and this hasn't been addressed.
My 1999 Toyota Corolla with an automatic transmission will skip gears if I change my acceleration quickly. I am surprised by it as well.
Borg Warner is to blame. German DCTs are a plague in the entire industry. Getrag took 6 years to get the Ford DCTs working, with under 200hp.
@@truantray 🤔 BorgWarner designed the DQ250 dual clutch that's in my GTI and it has been rock solid. It will drop from 6th to 3rd on hard throttle input pretty much immediately and I've been running around 330 horsepower and around 330 lb ft through it without issue for a good while now. BorgWarner makes the GTR transmission too if I recall so I'm just surprised I guess that this is it's function. If it operates like this by mechanical design in this specific application, so be it, but I'm just surprised that if it's a software limitation that it hasn't been tuned out/altered by now. The last option is that it intentionally functions like that, but that just seems like a very strange choice.
Lets be honest a 0.26 drag coefficient is extremely impressive from a high horsepower car design to go very fast, has cooling vents, and aero. Most other cars in this category are around 0.34-0.36 which is 30-40% less than the category average.
why isnt it all carbon fiber?
so that the 2021 can be all carbon fiber and they milk the gtr for another year
Everyone would just buy a Mclaren instead due to the price increase
@@TheEwanMC what? On of the biggest complaints about the r35 is the transmission randomly grenading itself anywhere from 10k-75k miles
@@TheEwanMC that's fantastic information. What's your source?
What are those two round things in the back? Are those speakers?
Yep.
2020 Porsche GT3 RS. Need I go on?
You are aware the 2017 GTR Nismo lapped Tsukuba faster than the gt3 of that year? Right?
@@conradsealy9603 one track and its not much of a supercar more of a glorified sports car
@@conradsealy9603 what the hell does that matter? tsukuba is not the benchmark anyways...
@@thepurplearceus6155 that was just one track. Theres also the Nurburgring. This 2020 will beat up the gt3 there as well.
@@conradsealy9603 who did the lap though? If it was Nissan then I doubt it was a stock Nismo GTR, they have a bad habit of cheating lap times
I love this! Keep it up bro! I love how many people are interested in education and engineering! Plus cars! Dream Channel right here! Cheers
Thank you Josh, very kind!
Just wink at the ECU and you get 800hp...
I don't need more power, I want less weight, much less in fact
And a ruined tranny after 10k miles
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@@ButchE30M3S14 and probably the last ones
@@r129r16pfl Why would you need less weight?
The composition of the doors and rear fenders make more sense when you look at weight distribution across the chassis...
A 20-minute video for the 2020 GTR. I see what you did there...
Should've made it 20:20...
That when you shifted the gears and said it feels clunky and noisy,thats normal when your AC is ON.try turn it off.thats why us subie owner always preffer NOT using our AC even the climate/weather is HOT lol.because of this common issue when our AC is ON.and we love the rumble sound and the wind better.
Almost daily I have this argument within myself, “why wouldn’t I just get a Nismo GTR vs this Porsche GT3 RS?”.....
Said no one, ever.
Great video as always!
They replaced all of the biggest body panels with carbon fiber, and all they could save in weight was 40-some pounds??
@@AzathothsAlarmClock Agree' + it's a big car, with a heavy duty awd, and big cars needs - big tires/wheels/brakes, etc.
Imho gtr is a horrible track car.
Lol
How's the seats? Did they have an upgrade in comparison among all 3 models?
What? No math? I'm slightly disappointed.
Most of us would watch a follow up calculating any of these details, yes? 👍😀
LOL< he did the "math" with the cost analysis........
@@bbigrocker1 ah. True.
@@DENicholsAutoBravado lol, but he DID say "drag coefficient"!
@@bbigrocker1 he talked about drag coefficient quite a lot! 🤣
How do these tires compare to newer modern high or max performance summer tires like the pilot cup 2?
Still gets destroyed by the 4 year old Viper ACR and the new ZR1. Can it even beat the Z06 or ZL1 1LE Camaro yet? Cause both of those cars beat it around VIR when they were tested
@Jeffrey Cheng As it should, because it costs twice as much. The point being that at 100k, the GTR is an incredible car, though showing some age. At 200k, it's well below average.
It gets destroyed my them with professional drivers. A non professional driver will be faster in a gtr
@@christate3523 you're just trying to make up excuses now
@@somethingtough not an excuse. The GTR is simply much easier to drive due to AWD and computers controlling the car for you
@@christate3523 but it's still the slower car
Nice video, but why did you paint the hood black at 14:34 ? Didn't you like the white one ?
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Great and honest review.
All the mclaren bois ride together because they know at least one of them will inevitably break down
On the topic of his complaint about the rear fenders, being that they attach/support the C pillars I bet it's structurally integral to its rollover safety rating. 🤔
Perhaps a dated sports car known as a computer may still feel more analogue than a new one.
Facts. This is absolutely true
RS 390 But a dated sports car already has computers all over, and in the last 10 years we saw huge improvement how these computers were tuned towards better drive enjoyment.
If you want analogue, you need 90’s, or early 2000s car, or skipped right through the new ones.
Ever meaning there will NEVER be one faster. What an age to live in to witness so many evers in history.
If I had that kind of money I'd get a 2020 RS6 + a gym bag full of money instead.
I think the doors being alu is for safety as theres not much reinforcement in them. Rear fenders being in steel could also be for grip as its a front in engine. Most cars with carbon rear fenders have mid or rear engines from what ive seen?
I agree. 600hp is plenty good due to that AWD system. I have a 400hp rt charger with AWD and its waaaaay more fun than any of the higher HP cars ive been in.
you can have alllll the HP in the world but it makes little difference if you cant get it all to the ground ;)
Yup, true.
Educating since day one ❤😘
it definitely needs the jesko transmission
you told me that its able to skip many gears in a really short time
so that would be an improvement for the gtr (theoretical)
btw: the jesko transmission vid was one of the best videos i ever saw about cars and i definitely watched more than 5000 hours until now
I think the flooring it in 6th issue has something to do with the clutch packs.
1 pack operates the odd gears and the other operates the even gears when upshifting, you have a clutch pack in standby for the next gear to be selected so it going through every gear on the downshift may have something to do with that.
Best looking GTR so far! Still wondering why they still put the brake calipers in the front part of the the wheels when competitors are putting them on the opposite side for better cooling.
All that carbon fibre... yet much of the body is still made from steel. 3900lbs is more heavy than most mid sized family sedans.
It is heavyier than some full sized SUVs
Thats one of the reasons why i still love this car. Despite all that weight it still managed to keep up with the competition for almost 11 years. Chris Harris himself admitted that its hard to believe how the GT R does what it does despite that increased mass. But yes......nissan definitely needs to bring in a new GT R. Perhaps more lighter and faster. When launched in 2008 it was like way ahead of its time . But in 2019 other manufacturers have really went ahead in terms of technology.
Why not carbon fiber "fenders" (I assume you are referring to the rear quarter panels since you already said the front fenders were cf)? Um well because they are a welded and bonded part of the body.
wtf was with the McLaren gang?!
Probably one of those touring events Mclaren hosts and invites owners and potential buyers
Interesting video. Thanks for the information it's awesome. Cheers
It would’ve gone faster if they put all the same technology in the original smaller lighter body of the skyline
Yeah except the Skyline chassis provides the crash safety of a paper sheet. So it would never pass regulations.
Not necessarily, the R35 design has stated a few times now that the GT-R was specifically designed to be a heavy car so it could have high traction without the for need crazy aero packages to increase down-force.
This was actually informally tested by Randy Pobst when he drove a stripped down GT-R for a racing event at Pikes Peak, he had numerous stability issues in testing with the stripped down GT-R due to this.
BigHeadClan bs, whatever else the problems were, being lightweight is never one of them. Why are all other racing cars so light? Or do f1 cars weight 2g’s also?
@@tomster7574 First your comparing full on race car (not to mention F1 cars) to road going cars, the legal and real world requirements between the two are vastly different.
Second you need to understand that a high power light-weight car requires a lot of active aero simply to generate enough down-force just so they can get that power to the ground not to mention so they don't take off at higher speeds.... The fact the GT-R has little to no active aero and was spanking nearly every other super car under $300K for nearly 8 years is proof of that.
@@BigHeadClan dude, you seem to think physics cares about the cars you like about how it applies gravity to them.
theeee only reason it may out perform any other car is the amount of turbo boost it has over them. simple, easy, so sad its not for you.
7:48 What is that little knob at the top of the caliper for?
For bleeding the right side of the calliper
I might be wrong because, I just looked it up, but I believe that is used to bleed the brakes. Its part of the brake line.
@19brownboy81 Thanks man.
@19brownboy81 Makes sense. Good stuff, looking to start working on cars eventually, I've loved them since I was a kid.
Halogen bulbs as side indicators in their flagship car.... Come on Nissan.😒😒😒
They saved money somewhere...
@@DENicholsAutoBravado lol but they don't transfer the savings to the consumer
@@kiyoponnn cost of making these cars is probably more R&D than anything else. They don't sell a lot of them.
@@DENicholsAutoBravado That makes sense
Yeah I was gonna buy two but now it's a no go.
@8:28 is that tape?! is that how they're saving weight?
Double the price of a regular gtr and barely lighter. A mclaren lt models are a full 100kg lighter than already a really light supercar to begin with
I honestly wondered if losing more weight hurt other things like traction?
@@DENicholsAutoBravado The designer for the R35 believed that weight = more traction, so that philosophy will be around for until the R36 (if it ever becomes a thing).
@@inspirice9844 in think that's absolutely right. When the rear quarter panels stayed steel or something heavier than carbon fiber, I was thinking, maybe that's for the weight!
They probably made carbon fiber for that as well, noticed more slip in turns and put it back. Or another consideration is that body panels don't have to be just for show and aerodymanics. They can also assist unibody strength, which could effect the suspension.
@@DENicholsAutoBravado Isn't carbon fibre 10 times stronger than steel?
@@inspirice9844 when it's built to be used for strength sure. When a car is getting riced out with a cheap carbon fiber hood...those tend to be weak and easily broken. That's most of the carbon fiber I've seen so I forgot when engineered well it can be for strength too.
Awesome E3 super car review I loved every minute Jason 👍
So people gona pretend they arent paying $100k extra for a set of turbos 💁🏻♂️ 😂
Yeah and some tires
I remember about 10 years ago I lived on a street that looked just like the one you were driving on in this video. Back when I lived in Ann Arbor Michigan. It was a beautiful road called Huron River Drive. I used to ride my motorcycle up and down that road. 10 years later, I live in this boring flat anemic city of Houston, there's traffic in every direction, and there isn't a corner in sight. The largest elevation change is the speed bump.
In a span of 1 year, 50 miles of I-94 was rebuilt near Detroit.
In a span of 5 years, I-45 in Houston hasn't even finished the damn 1 mile stretch next to Nasa pkwy. ah... the 401k hwy of I-45.
But why ? It just seems silly compared to a bone stock 2019
Nismo branding. You pay for the badge! It's commom in high end manufacturers. And in 30 years a nismo badged GTR will worth more money. Silly rich stuff.
@@killdizzle i agree with that! But you aren't paying for performance. That's why for us, simple normal humans, makes no obvious sense!
2.5 sec over what lap time? Context?
I find it crazy how drag racers get 3,000+HP to the tires out of that V6.
When you only need the engine to last for maybe 3 or 4 runs, you can get an insane amount of power out of almost all motors. The biggest limiting factor becomes block strength, after everything else is replaced and upgraded, and Nissan made a strong block.
@@cgunugc Most of those guys get a year or more out of their motors. 4 runs would barely make it through a test and tune for one event. Very few engines can hold 500hp per cylinder.
I'm guessing it's a software issue (rather than hardware) that causes the incremental down-shifting? If so, could this not be remedied with a computer and an internet (or something)?