Cisalpina is really taking the TVR route, make a cool as hell sports car that also happens to be a death trap, and when someone inevitably complains, Lorenzo’s answer will be “don’t crash than”
So glad this series is back. Easily my favorite automation series. So cool to see someone take a very realistic and grounded approach to playing this game
I love how you have captured the Italian way of building cars in the 90's and early 00's already in the 70's "What's the horsepower?" "YES!" "How does it handle?" "YES" "What are the safety features?" "YES! Also come look at our other cars and forget that question" "This thing looks like a deathtrap!" "Shall we go to lunch?"
Now i expect a Group B version of the Cuneo Based on the Ferrari 308 GT/M or even on the 288 GTO Evo. It would really make the Cuneo a cool car when it will be a race car too.
Gr.5 Futurismo is just a piece of art. It will kill dozens but will become a legend. Please consider a Group B of some kind in ten (in game) years. Immer weiter so.
That intro gave me goose bumps, great video as always. Quick tangent about the BeamNG snap oversteer, More rear downforce would help even at the 100kph corners, given the weight balance of 56 44 i would say around 30 kg (at 100kph) of downforce at the front and 90 at the rear should help, and also help with the Automation drivability score.
Thanks! I think in this car the aero balance was quite good, off-throttle and at higher speeds on-throttle it felt quite good. The only problem was in lower gears, when the boost hits hard and uncontrollably. For the Automation drivability, I tried lower and higher downforce with different distributions front/rear, but the score always seemed to prefer lower downforce. I think there is more to it than just a bad distribution. I'll see if it happens again in future builds and investigate further.
@@the.bavarianis making a separate variant just for beam export out of the question? Ive noticed several of your cars have funky suspension setups to appease sportiness usually, and the faster ones seem to always have oversteer problems lol. Could be solved by putting a setup that you can drive better but ignores score just for the sake of getting more consistent laps, and to be fair something like a competizione would have driver and track specific setups that change each weekend like you would be doing anyway. Love this series and thanks for uploading again!
@@AlecBarron2 Yeah, the "low downforce" seen here would be Perfect for Le Mans or Old Spa, but a Downforce Monster would be needed for, say, Nurburgring! So there is indeed a Lore for a High Downforce set up there!
HE'S BEEN COOKING ALL THIS TIME Like, really, this Gr5 Futurismo is a work of art, a gem, it's such a beautiful car, I love it!!! You're hyping me up for what's to come...
You forgot the leaderboard after test drive… Though Futurismo Gr5 is just awesome! Also it seems that 70s are good times for Cisalpina, economy wise! Looking forward to new series!
If this car were real, I bet the matchbox version would become a rare one and be super expensive. This car is a death trap, but it is an absolute beast of the 70s
Thanks for this comment, it makes a lot of sense. A lot of the GT market is in Dalluha and they are a little slow in adapting unleaded fuel. So let's see if the score improves as time progresses!
Big fan of the group 5 Futurismo. I think you managed to capture the group 5 look quite well, my first thought seeing it at the start of the video was something along the lines of "Ooh, a gr.5 car" I like how the totally legit wing mount/fender part that most definitely is not a wing extension comes up again every now and then in motorsport. Another example of this (which like the Zakspeed Capri is a German silhouette car) would be the 2002 version of the Opel Astra V8 Coupé (I'm a big fan of the silly V8 Astra, especially the '01 cars).
That Group 5 Cuneo seems like an absolute widowmaker, but I'm sure the races it'll participate in will be quite exciting to watch! I'm also looking forward to the C2 replacement you teased at the end :D Will it stay this very basic Lotus Seven or Tommykaira ZZ-type of thing or morph into a more traditional sports car? Great episode as always ^^
I'm so glad you're back! I've loved your series since my computer isn't very powerful and doesn't run BeamNG or Automation (which for some reason is very GPU-intensive) very well. Following Cisalpina has been very fun and I can't wait to see where you take it next.
if you can do a video solely on body design would be so awesome if you could share some of your tricks and tips for making cars more realistic in automation.
Zakspeed tried that whole "this is the rear wing and the rest is just the fenders" argument at the beginning of 1980 with the Capri, but it immediately got struck down and never actually ran like that
It did run 2 races with the wide wing in the DRM series, after initial FIA approval. But the organizers then decided that it was illegal and the results of the two races were deleted.
As I replied to Alohai's comment: I tried different distributions front/rear, and every higher downforce setting was scored worse than a low downforce setting. Seems a bit odd, but I will keep an eye on this in the future and see if I find the reason.
And on a Sidenote...you should really try to get in contact with SimRacers like Jimmy Broadbent. He did a lot BeamNG stuff and would be the perfect Test Driver for Cisalpina
der bayer is a sim racer himself :) that said, if he needs a test driver, those usually aren't big-name drivers (those would be the factory-backed race drivers) and as such i'd like to apply for the position as a lover of classic prototype and gt race cars, as well as a modern prototype specialist in iracing :)
In general, I believe Jimmy is quite busy and I would never ask him to drive my cars / push my content. FYI, I was in one race with Jimmy so far. We had a small fight in the first lap here, but I had the quicker car in a straight line: ruclips.net/user/livezNRdU_FAFu8?si=sIUBja00UboMMsVv&t=2496
It would be nice to tune the turbo more smoothly so that the power builds up gradually, as the turbo only starts at 6100 rpm and does so too suddenly, causing a sudden and unexpected loss of traction at the rear wheels
That's the goal for future road-going cars. But for the race version, a lot of power is required. And with 1970s turbo technology, the torque curves look like that. I think it is realistic for race cars of the time. Maybe tires were a little grippier though (Automation does not allow running super-wide rear tires, I had to make them wider with advanced trim settings, but those do no affect grip).
How long do you intend to keep the Futurismo in production? I think some kind of Pantera 90 Si -style heavy facelift around the late 1980s/early 90s would look really cool.
Got an idea: Do a special version of the Cuneo with flared fenders, special ground effects, and a twin turbo motor to appeal to the hypercar market properly. DEFINITELY was not thinking of the 288 GTO.
So a turbo engine where pretty much all of the power kicks in at 6000 RPM in one huge peak is actually viable? I always tried to make something with a more flat power curve and most power available at 3000-4500 RPM... Just wondering where the truth is here and which approach makes more sense for which applications
He tuned it like that only because it's a race car, so it's tuned for maximum power at high rpm which is where it's going to rev during a race. For road cars you really just want the earliest spool possible if you want a car with good driveability. Also a flat power curve is not that great because that means lots of torque at lower rpms which causes a lot of stress to the engine
@@Ignacio.Romero yet that seems to be the case with most modern cars, even sports ones. Look at any of their power curves - they are pretty much like that even for Imprezas and such
@@alextrigger8199 modern cars have some kind of computer boost controller which started to be a thing only in the late 90s/ early 00s. They also appear much smoother because road cars spool much earlier, so the power increase from the turbo isn't as noticeable as it would be at higher rpms. We are talking about early 70s turbos here, proper fuel injection hasn't even been invented yet
You are definitely right, this is not a good engine, it is just representative of early turbo engines in racing. Drivers had to manage staying on boost a lot as the usable rpm range was so narrow. Something like this would never work in a road car. At some point, Cisalpina will have road cars with turbo, and there I will try to engineer a reasonably good and manageable power curve.
I'd love to, but at some point I need to get the videos done and not spend more hours on the car. One of these episodes is 8-10 hours of work already, and you can easily spend 2-3 hours more on interior design and testing dials. :)
I love your videos. i literally started my own youtube campaign series just because of you! So if anyone is interested in my crappy playthrough you may feel invited 😓
why is the engine project all the way up at 90 Pressure- almost full Work- for a development project to learn about turbos? Would expect a really low setting there for better Learning, even at the expense of other sliders.
It can be made to make sense in the Lore, Lorenzo, by now, has *got* to be the Wrong Side of 60, probably pretty close to 70, and he has become a Grumpy, and somewhat Crazy, Old Man who wants to see the Turbo Car Finished ASAP as he is not sure how long he has left before going to meet his maker (Lorenzo, IMO, should pass away around 1989/1990 to be Replaced with his son) and thus Pushes the Team Hard!
I am currently experimenting with other intro formats, so maybe yes. I like the actual test track bit at the end, it feels like a natural finish. But maybe a bit more casual driving at the beginning would be nice to have again.
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Cisalpina is really taking the TVR route, make a cool as hell sports car that also happens to be a death trap, and when someone inevitably complains, Lorenzo’s answer will be “don’t crash than”
“Our cars aren’t a problem to those skilled enough to drive them properly.” - Lorenzo, probably.
Italian TVR sounds cool as hell
"Skill issue."
@@julianguastadisegnovery loud, very fast and sets fire to itself as soon as the 6 hour warranty runs out
@@Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzj should have invested in the fire extinguisher optional extra I guess
"Ok darling -I'm just off for a nice Sunday drive in my new Competizione" "ARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!" 'fiery death'
"Years of constant tax evasion led to this… be kind to the throttle"
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So glad this series is back. Easily my favorite automation series. So cool to see someone take a very realistic and grounded approach to playing this game
Couldn't have said it better.
True. Really feels like lore building and hopefully he has input for the devs. This feels immersive and is easy to watch to get some rest from the day
I love how you have captured the Italian way of building cars in the 90's and early 00's already in the 70's
"What's the horsepower?"
"YES!"
"How does it handle?"
"YES"
"What are the safety features?"
"YES! Also come look at our other cars and forget that question"
"This thing looks like a deathtrap!"
"Shall we go to lunch?"
whew... < 200hp until 7000 rpm and then 500 hp+??? What a widowmaker...
Now i expect a Group B version of the Cuneo Based on the Ferrari 308 GT/M or even on the 288 GTO Evo. It would really make the Cuneo a cool car when it will be a race car too.
Or like the bmw m1
I was the thinking the Lancia Stratos
@@jacobberg01 Lancia Stratos is much older and would be closer to what the Futurismo is
@unepintade thats Why I said 308 GT/M as base, he has done the cuneo with the Ferrari 308 Body, why not making something based on It?
If this series continues into the 90s/00s, I can't wait to see a modern bubbly remake of the C2 made entirely out of plastic lol
Gr.5 Futurismo is just a piece of art. It will kill dozens but will become a legend.
Please consider a Group B of some kind in ten (in game) years.
Immer weiter so.
That intro gave me goose bumps, great video as always.
Quick tangent about the BeamNG snap oversteer, More rear downforce would help even at the 100kph corners, given the weight balance of 56 44 i would say around 30 kg (at 100kph) of downforce at the front and 90 at the rear should help, and also help with the Automation drivability score.
Thanks! I think in this car the aero balance was quite good, off-throttle and at higher speeds on-throttle it felt quite good. The only problem was in lower gears, when the boost hits hard and uncontrollably.
For the Automation drivability, I tried lower and higher downforce with different distributions front/rear, but the score always seemed to prefer lower downforce. I think there is more to it than just a bad distribution. I'll see if it happens again in future builds and investigate further.
@@the.bavarianis making a separate variant just for beam export out of the question? Ive noticed several of your cars have funky suspension setups to appease sportiness usually, and the faster ones seem to always have oversteer problems lol. Could be solved by putting a setup that you can drive better but ignores score just for the sake of getting more consistent laps, and to be fair something like a competizione would have driver and track specific setups that change each weekend like you would be doing anyway. Love this series and thanks for uploading again!
@@AlecBarron2 Yeah, the "low downforce" seen here would be Perfect for Le Mans or Old Spa, but a Downforce Monster would be needed for, say, Nurburgring! So there is indeed a Lore for a High Downforce set up there!
HE'S BEEN COOKING ALL THIS TIME
Like, really, this Gr5 Futurismo is a work of art, a gem, it's such a beautiful car, I love it!!! You're hyping me up for what's to come...
You forgot the leaderboard after test drive…
Though Futurismo Gr5 is just awesome!
Also it seems that 70s are good times for Cisalpina, economy wise!
Looking forward to new series!
When I saw those 70s cars they were screaming Group 5 race car to me. I am so glad Lorenzo has done it. Loving this series keep it up!!
If this car were real, I bet the matchbox version would become a rare one and be super expensive.
This car is a death trap, but it is an absolute beast of the 70s
I believe your issue with desirability comes from using 91 octane unleaded fuel. From my experience it really becomes available after 74/75
Thanks for this comment, it makes a lot of sense. A lot of the GT market is in Dalluha and they are a little slow in adapting unleaded fuel. So let's see if the score improves as time progresses!
LETS GOO NEW VIDEO ON MY FAVORITE AUTOMATION CAMPAIGN......
it's my fav too. I started my own campaign youtube series just because of this guy :D so if you want to seeee.. 👀
An automation campaign with long videos, a good narration and awesome designs? You don’t see that every day, I’m in for a treat!
Big fan of the group 5 Futurismo. I think you managed to capture the group 5 look quite well, my first thought seeing it at the start of the video was something along the lines of "Ooh, a gr.5 car"
I like how the totally legit wing mount/fender part that most definitely is not a wing extension comes up again every now and then in motorsport. Another example of this (which like the Zakspeed Capri is a German silhouette car) would be the 2002 version of the Opel Astra V8 Coupé (I'm a big fan of the silly V8 Astra, especially the '01 cars).
That Group 5 Cuneo seems like an absolute widowmaker, but I'm sure the races it'll participate in will be quite exciting to watch! I'm also looking forward to the C2 replacement you teased at the end :D Will it stay this very basic Lotus Seven or Tommykaira ZZ-type of thing or morph into a more traditional sports car? Great episode as always ^^
The C2 replacement will most likely remain very basic, but I have not finalized my plan yet.
Looks like a Group 6 De Tomaso Pantera. But if the rides like hell, I like it!
Absolutely terrifying car as expected, bravo
The spin at the beginning was cleeean
when that boost kicks in yo
i think yellow headlights would look great on the group 5 car
I'm so glad you're back! I've loved your series since my computer isn't very powerful and doesn't run BeamNG or Automation (which for some reason is very GPU-intensive) very well. Following Cisalpina has been very fun and I can't wait to see where you take it next.
The Futurismo Competizione looks amazing!
if you can do a video solely on body design would be so awesome if you could share some of your tricks and tips for making cars more realistic in automation.
Omg... were getting close to group b days... i think its time for cisalpina to get into the Rally scene!
I love that you try to get into motorsport. Its so amazing to see that.
HOLY SHIT HOW DO I SUPERLIKE
You should have put a boost gauge to see when the boost will come so you can prepare for it
That's one beautiful monster
A twin turbo v8 in that car is a death trap. I’d love to own one.
God that car would be a widow maker
hola bayer :) that car is art
for hard work I have been rewarded with another der bayer video
Amazing design, it gives me parts DeTomaso, parts F40, parts Viper vibes. You're the absolute master of designing in Automation.
Zakspeed tried that whole "this is the rear wing and the rest is just the fenders" argument at the beginning of 1980 with the Capri, but it immediately got struck down and never actually ran like that
It did run 2 races with the wide wing in the DRM series, after initial FIA approval. But the organizers then decided that it was illegal and the results of the two races were deleted.
Now there's a car that'll make you say "Yay!", which coincidentally you would buy after buying some yay
Having a ton of front downforce bias leads to immense instability at high speeds in general, so that's likely why the score dropped so low initially.
I was going to comment that, but you beat me to it
As I replied to Alohai's comment: I tried different distributions front/rear, and every higher downforce setting was scored worse than a low downforce setting. Seems a bit odd, but I will keep an eye on this in the future and see if I find the reason.
Time to invest is AWD.
such a grate series. It will be a grate improvement if music in the video mach the era in game, it will add a lot of vibe
Yeah that was the initial idea. Probably it is time to select a few new tracks for the 70s and 80s.
I dont know wether or not to watch the f1 qualifying or this rn lol. They're at the same time 😂
"Never let a Cisalpina tame you, tame it with the road!" -advertisement for the new performance and super car models.
Having used the 935 in ac it feels the same with the extreme turbo lag
Weißwurst, Senf, Bohnen
Und etwas Reis zum Essen.
Complete meal here, Der Bayer cooked and delivered
You've knocked it out of the park once more.
Now we need an updated shed!
And on a Sidenote...you should really try to get in contact with SimRacers like Jimmy Broadbent. He did a lot BeamNG stuff and would be the perfect Test Driver for Cisalpina
der bayer is a sim racer himself :)
that said, if he needs a test driver, those usually aren't big-name drivers (those would be the factory-backed race drivers) and as such i'd like to apply for the position as a lover of classic prototype and gt race cars, as well as a modern prototype specialist in iracing :)
In general, I believe Jimmy is quite busy and I would never ask him to drive my cars / push my content.
FYI, I was in one race with Jimmy so far. We had a small fight in the first lap here, but I had the quicker car in a straight line: ruclips.net/user/livezNRdU_FAFu8?si=sIUBja00UboMMsVv&t=2496
omg no way i was just watching the old vid
It would be nice to tune the turbo more smoothly so that the power builds up gradually, as the turbo only starts at 6100 rpm and does so too suddenly, causing a sudden and unexpected loss of traction at the rear wheels
That's not really possible
That's the goal for future road-going cars. But for the race version, a lot of power is required. And with 1970s turbo technology, the torque curves look like that. I think it is realistic for race cars of the time. Maybe tires were a little grippier though (Automation does not allow running super-wide rear tires, I had to make them wider with advanced trim settings, but those do no affect grip).
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! new episode
Your modelling skills are insane!!
The Futurismo gr.5 is a really beautiful car my god and have you think of a project with a V12 engine?
A V12 is definitely something I see for Cisalpina. Maybe something for the late 80s / 90s supercar period?
Yes, something like the countach or the Diablo
That Group 5 is one sexy car!
This is the car Gasmean teens have posters of.
Sweet birthday upload for me
Happy birthday! :)
@@the.bavarian thank you, really appreciate it, keep making amazing automation content
That intro 🔥🔥
I went for the overly dramatic option this time :D
@the.bavarian when it comes to that car, there is no such thing as overly dramatic. Love the build, wouldn't love to drive it 😂
Those things go for like $3 million today. It’s crazy.
How long do you intend to keep the Futurismo in production? I think some kind of Pantera 90 Si -style heavy facelift around the late 1980s/early 90s would look really cool.
Gut feeling says mid to late 80s, but it also depends on how well it will still do in the market.
NOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAAAYY LETS GOOOOOOO
Ohhh yeahhh baby... 🎉
Bro I haven’t even watched the video yet, that’s terrifying!
Looks amazing
Awwww yiss back at it again.
Got an idea: Do a special version of the Cuneo with flared fenders, special ground effects, and a twin turbo motor to appeal to the hypercar market properly. DEFINITELY was not thinking of the 288 GTO.
So a turbo engine where pretty much all of the power kicks in at 6000 RPM in one huge peak is actually viable? I always tried to make something with a more flat power curve and most power available at 3000-4500 RPM... Just wondering where the truth is here and which approach makes more sense for which applications
He tuned it like that only because it's a race car, so it's tuned for maximum power at high rpm which is where it's going to rev during a race.
For road cars you really just want the earliest spool possible if you want a car with good driveability.
Also a flat power curve is not that great because that means lots of torque at lower rpms which causes a lot of stress to the engine
@@Ignacio.Romero yet that seems to be the case with most modern cars, even sports ones. Look at any of their power curves - they are pretty much like that even for Imprezas and such
@@alextrigger8199 modern cars have some kind of computer boost controller which started to be a thing only in the late 90s/ early 00s.
They also appear much smoother because road cars spool much earlier, so the power increase from the turbo isn't as noticeable as it would be at higher rpms. We are talking about early 70s turbos here, proper fuel injection hasn't even been invented yet
You are definitely right, this is not a good engine, it is just representative of early turbo engines in racing. Drivers had to manage staying on boost a lot as the usable rpm range was so narrow. Something like this would never work in a road car. At some point, Cisalpina will have road cars with turbo, and there I will try to engineer a reasonably good and manageable power curve.
The Gr.5 car gives me some F40 vibes. atleast from the rear.
cant wait for schools zones to be become a thing with this one 🔥
You have put big bumpers 🥰
ITS BACK AGAIN
When is it up for Download, love this series
I'll try to upload it before Christmas!
40:48 Did you check if you are not bottoming out with higher downforce?
good video.
Add working dials to your cars!!
I'd love to, but at some point I need to get the videos done and not spend more hours on the car. One of these episodes is 8-10 hours of work already, and you can easily spend 2-3 hours more on interior design and testing dials. :)
Hopefully it will be group b next time
U man should run as the CEO of Jaguar
Sounds like "You should be the captain of the Titanic" - I am not sure :D
@ 😂
It’s like if the DeTomaso Pantera and an F40 LM had baby which came out the womb doing steroids.
A little dash of Venturi in there too
Now all that's missing is an update to the beamng mod so I can drive all these new amazing cars
Hoping to get that done before Christmas!
Let him cook 🎉
Es ist kein Cisalpina, wenn es kein Witwenmacher ist 😂
😁😁😁
We all know that the cool brands have low reliability ( Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Lotus, TVR, De Tomaso etc ) 😉
Your compressor is way too big, it's barely being spooled 😢
Why does changing the material your pistons are made of change your pollution output?
Hypereutectic alloys have less thermal expansion, that allows tighter tolerances and less blow by, especially when cold.
I love your videos. i literally started my own youtube campaign series just because of you! So if anyone is interested in my crappy playthrough you may feel invited 😓
Instant like, instant comment!
Quick question, how do you make to have clean tyres textures ? Everytime I try, the textures are blurry
why is the engine project all the way up at 90 Pressure- almost full Work- for a development project to learn about turbos? Would expect a really low setting there for better Learning, even at the expense of other sliders.
Hm, good point, I probably didn't pay enough attention! At least for the engine project it would have made much more sense to go for more learning
still cooler than anything I've managed to build, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It can be made to make sense in the Lore, Lorenzo, by now, has *got* to be the Wrong Side of 60, probably pretty close to 70, and he has become a Grumpy, and somewhat Crazy, Old Man who wants to see the Turbo Car Finished ASAP as he is not sure how long he has left before going to meet his maker (Lorenzo, IMO, should pass away around 1989/1990 to be Replaced with his son) and thus Pushes the Team Hard!
Can you please start every video with driving the car just like you did in the luxury campaign
I am currently experimenting with other intro formats, so maybe yes. I like the actual test track bit at the end, it feels like a natural finish. But maybe a bit more casual driving at the beginning would be nice to have again.
So they just found out they can push the air up and the car down (it's not even how it works)
ANOTHER ONE
can you do a video of design mods please
Not sure where your head was during the last 2 episodes