Still nowhere near as bad as FFXIII Versus to FFXV; almost a decade since it was first teased and after all that waiting, we got a full priced game that was released still in it's beta stage... I swear SE gets away with "habits" that would ruin other developers.
I think clouds "I dont dance" is a remark on how he definitely can dance, hes just too embarrassed to. I'm more concerned with how he knows all of Andrea's choreography
Reminds me of the dance in FF8, where Squall struggles or simply doesn’t feel like dancing, but then one fade later he just masters it, and seemingly plays it off that he knew the whole time. Here, Cloud just perfectly dances (If you don’t screw up the QuickTime)
@@TheKpa11 I thought it was implied that Squall DID know how to dance the whole time and just pretended that he didn't because he didn't wanna be there, but once he realized that Rinoa wasn't gonna let him go he just decided "fuck it, I'll do it". Sure it's somewhat contrived, but at least it makes sense given Squall's characterization at that point.
@@jrpludacrous Hell yeah. Maybe even reveal that Chadley is Yozora or related to him . Make it come full circle where KH is FF7 in a completely different universe and Sora is that universe's Cloud.
Barret vs. the Shinra Middle Manager on the train is one of my favourite scenes, just imagine having a political arguement over environmental issues against a man WITH A GATLING GUN.
I love the abridge's version way of doing that conversation. SMM: "Please! I have children!" Barret: "Don't worry, I have a child, a beautiful angel named Marlene" SMM: "ugh, how can a father have a gun for an arm" Barret: MAX UNGAR Barret: "I'd like to apologize... for my actions on the train"
You mentioned the Pedometer Materia. When I got it, I literally just spent an hour running laps around Aerith's garden so that I could get the 5000 steps. That was the best decision I ever made. I never had to worry about leveling Materia again after that.
PeaTearGryfin At first I started doing laps around the garden, but my friend mentioned just do the side quests, you’ll be running around the sectors anyway.
@@thetruewisegamer He said near the end of this video that he's gonna be doing them in batches of 3, so he's gonna do the first 3 games, then take a break, then the next 3 games, and so on and so forth.
The stairs with my favorite part especially when I sat down and thought about it. Tifa is a head of Barret and cloud because she’s in shape and only has gloves meanwhile Cloud and Barret have to drag they’re heavy ass weapons up with them
@@BlackangelKatakuri But in the OG game they make it abundantly clear that the promised land isn't real or at the very least it's not a material plain, it's an urban myth that was spread after the Cetra died even if this remake is different from the original I still think they are going to keep certain elements like that twist.
@@BlackangelKatakuri But the world itself is the same in both the remake and the original. So if the promised land isn't a real place in the original's world then wouldn't that mean it can't be a real place in the remake's world? This may be a different timeline, but that shouldn't change the internal makeup of the planet.
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Something that I've noticed that people don't seem to talk about with the reactor explosion. If you look at the initial explosion it actually wasn't that big and it still made the reactor malfunction. Shinra actually was framing them and blew it up themselves. Which is why the robots started shooting up the place and blowing things up. It was to make avalanche seem horrible. The actual explosion from the bomb was tiny and did it's job. But you examine that cutscene and you'll see the robots blow everything up by themselves
I thought it was weird no one had anything to say about that. Thats actually my only problem with the remake. The original made everyone question barret and his resolve, including the player. But playing through this it didn't really blur the lines as much. It just makes Shinra out to be so evil, which they are, but still.
David Dunbar I thought I was the only one who noticed that! I was watching Maximilian Dood’s LP and I thought “Wait...this is Shinra’s fault. Why is nobody talking about this?”
@@paulollarsabaiii9824 they weren't paying attention I think that's what added to it actually. The fact that shinra made them doubt themselves and the people doubt them as well. While showing us the player that It wasn't their fault the bomb worked as intended. But shinra made those machines basically nuke the place.
@@tearzofthefallen6586 well you have to think about it. No one else paid attention they saw one explosion and then they took off they only showed US the players what actually took place. Which was the robots blowing the place up
This was a way to add real tension to the plot and made us truly see how horrible shinra is. Willing to sacrifice many lives for their own selfish gain
Johnny will start reviewing Final Fantasy later this year. Clement and Derrick might start Final Fantasy XIV as well. Sounds like good times all around for the 3 channels. Cant wait to see
@@BlackangelKatakuri The cetra when i first saw them looked exactly like the people from Final Fantasy 10. Both 7 and 10 share a universe but thousands of years apart
Oh, a podcast discussion of Remake by Johnny? Hell yeah I'm gonna watch this for sure. (SPOILER HEAVY) Oh, well never mind. Thanks John, I'll be back as soon as I finish it!
Ending was fine - not great, but in context with the rest of the game, it was fine. It's still FF7. And now they are going to explore those characters by writing new scenarios while visiting old ones. Considering the clear creative control they have of these characters and environments (this definitely feels like the 1997 cast, rather than the KH or AC cast), there is a lot to be optimistic about with the next episode.
I hope you enjoyed the game If you didnt, Im sorry you were screwed over hard. Alot of games have becomed cancelled and I saw in a video this become true. Is this game truely cancelled? :(
@@cronoesify Im asking since the Covid-19/Corona virus HAS affected alot of things lately. So is the development of videogames cancelled like......permentantly and that no other company cant work on it anymore? Or will it just be downloadable from now on? Cause right bow Ive heard comics are going down, games are going down, the conventions have closed (though Im worried more about people surviving lately), restaurants closing shop, the list goes on and on and on. I think it was this video that said that Final Fantasy 7 was cancelled: m.ruclips.net/video/_fdQZup20gc/видео.html Again, Im not so sure since Ive been hearing alot of bad things due to this virus and Im staying the fuck home today.
@@JojoMonReturns91 that video is referencing cancel culture and woke nonsense from Kotaku. The development of part 2 started in November of 2019. The game was fantastic. They wrote the characters well, and I am convinced I am playing the 1997 versions of them. SE is showing complete control over it's property, and I feel the influence of Nomura is way overblown here. Kitase has explained in multiple interviews what this remake was going to be, and they absolutely delivered. It's a full on exploration of the world and characters of, likely, the entirety of the FF7 and compilations. They made many decisions in this first part that show clear, careful consideration (such as how they are choosing to portray Sephiroth in an age where the mystery to his power is long gone). Fans of the original who love the world of FF7 will enjoy exploring it. Fans of the original who want it to be 1:1 and think that remaking it like that will bring back the magic of 1997 will be disappointed. SE took a risk, and one that I feel it is justified in taking. But like all risks, it can backfire. So far, it hasn't. But we have seen episodic JRPGs falter before (Xenosaga). Let's see what happens here.
@@cronoesify That was a beautiful message you conveyed here. I'm happy you mentioned that the 2nd part will be coming soon. Cause I dont like if games get cancelled and then no new games come out. That would leave FF7 remake in a.......state of limbo (and not the game Limbo, like developmental hell). Thank you for replying since Ive been through alot of Covid-19 madness and needed some positivity after the Comic Con and Anime Expo cancellations (I would have been more mad if I didnt get refunded and or it didnt transfer for next year and that those cons are dead forever in a perminent state). Your comment cheers me up afterwards. :')
Just fought Rude and thought "He looks like Somecallmejohnny". Will be back later after I finish it. Edit: What a great game but that ending leaves me with mixed feelings. Guess we just ride it out and hope it doesn't suck.
That ending is super decisive on if you trust modern square enix writing to handle it. After how this game was marketed and what I thought it was going in, I cant trust them to do that. Everything was absolutely incredible but that last hour killed it for me personally.
@Grima the Fell Dragon For me, I was only really a fan of the original games story. Once Chain of Memories came out, that is when I stopped caring about Nomuras wild ride. Honestly, I just dislike Time Travel in general. It is a really cool plot device that gets abused way to much by crappy writers. So many stories that have it do not need time travel, and it tends to mess up every part of the story. So many writers can not even write it correctly, and end up breaking their own set rules in order to achieve a certain goal of theirs.
Yeah the ending put them in a very risky place They basically can't go back to the original plot anymore, otherwise the ending here was for nothing and it'll look like really poor planning. There's not a really a safety net anymore. They essentially have to create a new story with some similar elements that can stand toe to toe with the original and that's not easy
I'm here to be spoiled. Johnny thank you so much we love and appreciate you man. Shout out to Derrick and Clement for joining in. Man I never know Clement was such a big fan of the series and, I always had a feeling Derrick loved RPGs. an amazing treat to watch.
PolishGMR Pretty much but while Rebuild likes to play coy with the original material, Remake straight up calls it out. Sephiroth quite literally makes references to the original game on several occasions as well as knowing Cloud very intimately, something Sephiroth in the original would have no way of knowing seeing as how is didn’t know who Cloud was.
Yeah. Its not really so much a remake as it is a sequel to FF7. Remake SHOULD be the subtitle, but its very dependent on wether or not you've played or know the original game.
@@Xanime95 Nah. Sephiroth knew who Cloud was even in the original FFVII. Sephiroth was always messing with Cloud's mind tormenting him, giving him false information about being a puppet of Jenova. Sephiroth just hates Cloud because Cloud humiliated him. He resents the fact that Cloud defeated him, when he should be nothing but a flea to him.
LordMalice6d9 You’re right. I went back to the original and yeah, he does toy with Cloud a good bit but it’s much more subtle. As oppose to the Remake were he’s very in his face.
Can we discuss, HOW TERRIBLE THE FINAL LAUNCH TRAILER IS? THEY SPOIL EEVEEERYTHING. my god, someone needs to sit down with the marketing department and have a serious talk with them.
@@victorhugocosta1127 It's not really as bad as kh3, which spoils the actual emotional moments. The ff7 trailer shows out of context moments that make zero sense and don't really spoil much unless you are aware that it's a spoiler in the first place. Still not the greatest way to do things.
Not a final fantasy 7 fan, never cared for the game but the fans have my sympathy here. It's like, even if this whole remake ends up being really good, that's not what the people wanted; they wanted an updated version final fantasy 7. They like FF7 because of it's story, events and characters. You can't just take those and try to make a time travel story of all things. As for how your gear might be affected in part two, well trails series does a really unique thing with this. Trails games are all interconnected, hell the second game starts the next day after the first one. And the way it's done in those games is that you still have your quartz BUT they don't work with your new model more up to date Orbments, meaning you have to let go of them. You do get some starting bonuses if you have a save file of the previous game depending on how high your rank was at the end of it. So just say, our Materia is not up to date or it cracked or something like that but give the player some bonus starting items.
@@BlackangelKatakuri And I hope parts 2 and 3 continue down the same road. This game has been improved in a lot of ways, but the finale is also a bit of a mess. Which leaves me worried.
Or: This is a great game... Watch FFVII Machinabridged first. I mean, Johnny would be just as likely to say it, he's worn Machinabridged t-shirts in some of his reviews. I'm pretty sure he wore the "Shinra's Most Wanted" design in his review of Mega Man X8.
@@Nuvendil Or you could just watch Machinabridged. It's easy to do so. It's really good. And I belong to the Cult of TFS (that means I'm just another TeamFourStar fan), so I'm legally, morally, and religiously obligated to shove my love for their content down throats whenever possible.
Yeah, I'm definitely less than fond of the Whispers as a plot element. It really feels like a lose-lose situation they've written themselves into. Because if you change too many things, you disappoint people who wanted to see the original story retold. And if you don't change too many things, then the idea of struggling against fate feels disappointing because the future refused to change. The idea of Destiny vs Agency is an interesting philosophical discussion, but it's difficult (not impossible) to tell a satisfying story with those elements, especially in gaming where the player is (to some degree) controlling the characters. That said, I think they could still make it interesting. Because there's that bit where Sephiroth says "Join me and we can defy fate together." So they could introduce elements of "did we do the right thing or is that what Sephiroth wanted us to do?" and then the choice of "do we need to put fate back on course or find a new way?" If the upshot of it is that the characters become arbiters of their own fates, that could theoretically become interesting. Especially with Aerith, if her death is not just a thing that happens to her but a choice she makes with full agency, it could add some depth to her sacrifice. Do I trust Nomura enough to handle these things well? I'm not sure. 1:48:42 - Clement's idea does sound interesting. And that's sort of how Wall Market goes. Depending on your choices you can deal with new stuff from this game and get a new dress, or the questline from the original game and get a dress that looks more like that game's dress. The idea of the planet having a will of its own fits well with this story, but the particular implementation of the Whispers is complicated at best. And in part because this is a remake. If this were the only version of this story, it wouldn't be quite as much of an affront to introduce ideas of Fate, but having a remake where the characters are aware that things are supposed to happen a certain way is less than satisfying. I'll withhold full judgment until I've seen the full story, but I'm apprehensive to say the least.
This game had elements from every title in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII. I was very happy with the presentations and references. Divisive ending, time janitor ghosts, and FFXIII esque soundtrack pieces appearing in parts of the game aside, a very enjoyably game even for newcomers for the most part.
I loved the game but it's hard not to feel soured by the ending. I get what they were going for but they definitely didn't market this as a reboot during the past years. Even then, the ending feels extremely disconnected from the rest of the game and is very Nomura in its writing On top of it, I don't know who they were going for. People who don't know anything about FF7 and the compilation will be 100% lost and the people who do know are likely to get pissed for not getting a proper remake after all this time
www.frontlinejp.net/2020/04/17/ffvii-remake-interview-with-nomura-tetsuya-and-kitase-yoshinori/ "Kitase, who was director of the original FFVII, is asked how much input he had on the remake. He says that the overall direction and concept, story and worldbuilding was left to Nomura, while game design and drama scene direction was left to co-directors Hamaguchi and Toriyama." Even if this wasn't true, he's the DIRECTOR. At the very least he greenlit a major change in the storyline and sequels instead of cutting it short during development
TheDiego908 Watch the games credits again. >Story and Scenario- Nojima >Director and Concept- Nomura Nomura is not the only one to blame for the writing. Nojima played a big role, as he did throughout most of the completion of FFVII which is why characters from the novellas like Kyrie and others appear in game. Those are Nojima’s characters, not Nomura. This is the same guy behind the explosive blitzball killing Tidus.
According to the wiki, Cloud and Zack were experimented on for 4 years and spent a full year trekking from Nibelheim to Midgar. It makes sense considering the distance between the two.
Re: Stagger lengths, the most egregious one was the dancing alien thing in one ch14 sidequest. Those things only stayed staggered for like half a second. It's not long enough to do anything other than one regular attack. Well, it's a hint that that's not how you're supposed to deal with those things, but still... EDIT: Hojo didn't get his line about Cloud's past out. The Whispers yeeted him out of the room before he could finish his sentence. This is clearer in the Japanese version because the negative ("not") is at the end of the sentence. Also, the security guard that appeared to recognise Cloud in chapter 2 actually recognised the Buster Sword (the JP audio goes "Wait, that sword is...!"). EDIT2: Regarding continuing to future parts, it's worth noting that CyberConnect2 used to work on this game before Square Enix took development back in-house. CyberConnect2 made the .hack games, which were released in multiple parts and carried over literally everything to future parts. They also capped character levels at some level, and raised the level cap with each part.
If they gonna level cap us at 50 I assume the next game we start at 50 and they can level cap us at a 100. I'm cool with a materia reset if theres story reasons like Yuffie or whatever but dont have me getting wupped by a doomrat after I slayed the physical manifestation of fate two seconds earlier.
I have cracked the code of the naming convention for the future parts: [Vaguely spoilery after the break] Part 1: Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 2: Final Fantasy XVI - Final Fantasy VII x 2 + 2 Part 3: Cloud Returns: Final Fantasy VII
@@Epsilonsama Actual spoiler: A "soft reboot" would reboot the narrative. The entire plot of FF7 remake is the continuation of the original narrative by the arbiters of fate making the remake a SEQUEL to the original final Fantasy 7. Reboots do not REFERENCE the original work in the reboot's narrative, but the narrative of FF7 psx is ESSENTIAL to this sequel that "remakes" the world of Final fantasy 7 as you know it.
@loafhero I'll work on it. Slap a couple more Reloadeds, Remastereds, Bowser's Minions, Definitives, Best Sellers, Platinums, and Game of the Year Editions on that baby and you've got yourself a vidya game!
I'm glad you mentioned the fact that Cloud REMEMBERED KILLING SEPHIROTH. I really disliked that change, and I don't understand Square's reasoning for making that change.
That is a very crucial, very clutch, very key part of Cloud's development in the original game: the fact that he can't remember the outcome of his confrontation with Sephiroth in Nibelheim.
I'm fairly sure the Cloud we play in Remake has a different background to the one we know from Original. He talks fairly nonchalantly about his time in SOLDIER without any flashes and instead has his flashes where original Cloud *didn't*.
You know what I love? How Johnny and Derrick's personalities are both sort of on opposite ends. Where Johnny is more expressional in using cursing and swearing, and he's definitely one of the cool guys in high school, where he's a bit more urban but fun as hell to be with. And Derrick is the guy who's really into the games, very family friendly, outwardly approachable and very mild mannered, and I love how both of them can get along.
36:10 That shit happened to me in the first boss of chapter 11 and it DID break the game for me. The cutscene was acting up with character's clothes and after it was over the area I was in was pitch black, I was stuck in battle mode and I couldn't get out of it. Since it autosaved at that spot I'd be stuck in that same glitch whenever I loaded it up, damn thing made me have to start over all the way back from chapter 10. I clipped it and sent it to Square's twitter too for how bad it was
One really good ability for Whack-a-Box is Deadly Dodge, especially if you have it maxed out. It's a fast attack that deals good damage in a really wide area, so you can clean up those stacks of 50s in a second and instantly move on to the next.
Ok having just beat it about 5 minutes ago, I am super curious to see where this goes because I was not expecting that ending at all. Also I have a ton of respect for how the remake completely validated the original, and means it will continue to return. In a lot of cases remakes will invalidate the originals and as such the remake is the only one to get ported to newer systems, but here it’s clear that they will keep porting the original game to newer systems meaning that we will always see the original come back. Also also: this game gave me the duel with regular Sephiroth I always wanted, HE EVEN GETS HIS ADVENT CHILDREN WING! IT’S TOO FUCKING COOL!
Completely disagree.. she gets on my nerves with all the over the top cutesy gestures and how clingy she. Like Jessie is worse forsure but I found myself liking Tifa more only cause she carried herself atleast somewhat mature.
@@hypeman1825 Exactly. The cutesy one to me was always Yuffie not Aerith . And by cutesy I mean young and annoying which is how Aerith is here she's pure cringe at times
Maximilian dood actually has a really interesting theory on the whole timeline thing he did like a two hour discussion on the easy allies spoiler mode podcast
His theory was literally what I started thinking on at the end of the game, and I was considering thats where we're going here. That theory was almost my immediate conclusion, given what I knew and the promo art we had seen years ago. The end fight makes way too many callouts to not be deliberate.
@Aaron9 If anything the official FF7 Ultimania book gave more evidence to it, given it outright states that the Whispers you fight are basically direct references to Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo, down to their moves being direct references to the movie, and Croceo (Yazoo) even uses a move referencing his gun, Velvet Nightmare Nojima (the original writer) has already said that FF7R is meant to include a lot of the Compilation of FF7 in general, which is why we have Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis core mixed into the game, and that Remake has two meanings in the title.
Yeah, to understand story of FF7R we need to look at it like a part of Compilation, not a stand alone game. I recommend TheLorerunner podcast about FF7R that he did with Mike from Darkpixel, they go real deep into lore.
I like the ending. I completely understand not wanting to do exactly like the original. If so you might as well just go play that one. The unknown part of the ending has me so excited. Can’t wait for the second part.
I believe using Sephiroth from the start just shows how *serious* he has become for this In the OG he was playing with you, never took you seriously and that's what cost him to lose But now terrorizin you every second and in the end even take a swing at you says a lot
I was hoping this was a direct update of ff7 to help expand its audience. Despite the original being available on every modern system and quality of life updates, it's still not necessarily accessible. It's a ps1 rpg, which while it has aged better than some others of it's time, it's still over 20 years old and I cant fault anybody for not being able to get into it. Making it a more modern video game that will hold up better could have done wonders for the legacy of ff7.
You can play FFVII OG on PlayStation now. Tbh it’s pretty accessible. I’ve seen plenty of people play it before the remake. It’s a remake not a remaster.
Thanks so much for this discussion guys - I don't know any other FF fans in real life, so it was really enjoyable to hear a discussion from some of my favourite RUclipsrs, and people who know the original inside and out! I'm pretty much on the same page as you guys - particularly Johnny and Clement on the ending haha. Looking forward to hearing you and Matt talk about the Remake too at some point (probably when the FF7 LP continues), John! =D
My theory for the 7 sec thing is the Edge of Creation fight will be repeated at the end of Part 3 after beating Safer Sephiroth similar to the OG. This time, Cloud uses those 7 sec to Omnislash or something like that.
Actually apparently, in some in-game description, the seven seconds was referring to before the impact of meteor. Which is fine, but I liked a different theory that referenced Seph's decent to kill Aerith being seven seconds.
Its not that bad if you destroy the hands during the God Mode section. Nobody seems to realize you can do it. Destroying the hands instantly puts it into Pressured status.
One thing I think FF7 Remake absolutely nailed was the world building. In the original, Midgar feels less like a city and more like a set piece. You barely interact with anybody there. The events play out quickly to set up the rest of the game, and then you don't think about Midgar again until almost the end of the game. Midgar in FF7R feels like a lived in city with real people. Hell, they introduced a cartoon dog that serves as a propaganda piece to keep the citizens brainwashed.
So after having thought about it for a while I think it would be cool if we still get the iconic fights but the real villain ends up being Rufus . In this game he he actually finds the Promised Land.
I said when I beat the game, between this and the Kingdom Hearts 3 ending, it feels like Nomura is building up to something and is using these games as an excuse to do it. The versus xiii stuff in kh3, this game feeling like they are setting it up to NOT be final fantasy vii, suddenly TWEWY aspects thrown into KH, it seems like Nomura is starting a shared universe if his own. The nomura interactive universe. There's something going on in Nomura's head, only time will tell if its good.🤔
No matter how good ppl think Nomura is, they can't let him go off the rails like that. A company needs to have integrity, and not be an idea dictatorship. He's already allowed to be very self-indulgent, which strikes me as odd cause one would usually expect that to be frowned upon in the more traditional japanese work environment. And imo Nomura isn't that great of a writer; might be one of the better ones Square might have at the moment, but most other big game companies are doing better in the story quality department.
1:34:09 If you rewatch the fight you'll notice when Cloud deals the final blow Sephiroth turns into Whispers implying that it was Whispers you fought and not the real Sephiroth
You could even go further into the rabbit hole by watching the meteor scene again, watch the meteor turn into whispers that sephiroth absorbs, just like his original plan of absorbing the lifestream from the wound of the meteor strike. Only difference is instead of being a god like his original plan, now he’s a god of fate.
You know, me being a casual player of RPGs, i've never got into FF games, odd but i must have been overwhelm with all the other SNES rpgs and after that, Chrono Cross. This was my first full approach to FF and as a "new spectator", this game got me hooked. This could be a good entrance point for people like me who will enter now to the FF universe.
I know I'm suuuuuper late, but in Japanese Hojo's reveal was cut short. The negative that would denote Cloud not being in SOLDIER would have occurred at the end of the sentence, after he got interrupted by the whispers. In English Cloud was exposed but in Japan? nah.
When it comes to the "Aerith staying alive" idea, I always figured that if Sephiroth didn't kill Aerith, then she'd finish her spell of Holy, it'll stop Meteor from coming down long before Sephiroth activates it with the black materia (or attack Sephiroth directly), and his plans would just be fucked over right then and there.
Because this Sephiroth is from the future. He no longer cares about the Black Materia. His goal now is to fuck the timeline so much that he can take it over. That's my guess at least.
If you're having trouble with ATB on your none control characters. I have two materials that will fix that. 1st can't remember the name but its gives your team mates atb when you cast two atb back to back real fast. If that Is mastered you will give a team mate a full bar. 2nd is Skill Master. Cast 3 different atb and you will get a full Atb to keep Funneling atb to the other team mates.
Can't wait for part.2 of FF7R Costa De La Sol, that's pretty much the fanservice section where all the guys and gals are in swimsuits. Also can we still kick the ball and make Red13 Angry? lol Also Sailor Barrett FTW!
After how they handled the Honey Bee Inn in this game I’m 100% sure Costa Del Sol will be the FFVII version of the obligatory anime beach episode and I am 100% here for it
I'm gonna be curious how they handle the little cutscenes, because in the original the cutscenes are dependent on the two characters with you. But in the remake they include all the characters. Does this mean everyone will be with you when you see hojo? Are the side quests just gonna be shit like find barret in a sailor suit? We have no idea
The head writer for RWBY said some really puritan stuff about Tifa saying she looked like a prostitute. He apparently deleted it after he got some pushback but whoa. Woman (fictional or otherwise) shows any sort of skin and it’s a bad thing.
To be fair Tifa isn't a women, she's a character written and designed by men to visually and emotionally please other men. I ain't a sjw or a woman hater, but I can definitely see how someone could get thot vibes from a real person walking around in Tifa's outfit.
@@BlackangelKatakuri horrible writer my ass. Final fantasy are some of the best video games of all time. Look at all the generic cookie cutter run of the mill anime stuff for horrible writing
I do have to say, I'm not sure that was really sephiroth at the end because of all the whispers that shoot out of him. It could be sephiroth controlling the whispers via the lifestream. But damn that final fight cutscene with sephiroth and cloud one on one, that definitely led me to believe Cloud is holding back his true power when you play as him
My childhood games I grew up with are : MG and MGS FF RE Castlevania SILENT HILL DMC Suikoden Grand Turismo And many more Although MGS will always remain the *king of games and story telling* for me xd Those were just one of the few games i started with, FF games are great but people keep forgetting the *original purpose* of the game Which was *FANTASY* I have almost forgotten how it feels to play a *FANTASY* game FF 1, FF4, FF 5, FF13, FF X, FF IX, those were *TRUE FANTASY* games No final fantasy game is really grounded and realistic I have heard people saying : FF7 theme is about death and accepting that death and moving on, it's impact its so great etc. And am like : Really? The same game that *forced each death down our throats* and even afterwards the devs them selves admitted that Aerith and Zack death was *forced* and *mesningless* They did this cause Kitase was going through a face with the death of his mother and he wnted to even kill Cloud and his entire party I respect his loss but we all have lost someone and he over did it He admitted all that in interviews
As much as love the FF franchise (FFIV, FFXII and FFT being my favourites), I'll have to admit SE is taking full advantage of both nostalgia and the investment fallacy. Long story short if other developers remade a game and divided it into multiple full priced episodic games they'll be hung out to dry however because its FF VII; "The best FF", "the best JRPG", "the best game of all time", etc they can get away with it plus folks just have to see how it'll "develop" and "end" regardless if it's objectively good or not. I hope I didn't come off as a hater, I actually enjoyed FF VII remake ep 1 but that amount of denial of any criticism I've seen online (from personal experience) is crazy!
There's also the fact that the dev team explicitly stated in interviews that this project as whole would be a "faithful adaptation" of the original's storyline, when the final episodes are anything but. Feels like they were afraid of announcing it as a Sequel/Reboot, so they just lied to fans who wanted an expanded but faithful adaptation of one of videogames' most classic narratives. Feels pretty sketchy to me imo. Specially considering they never put the "episode 1" on this games cover
Dude, I never cared that much about the original FFVII. I've only played it until the point where Cloud meets Aerith and Reno in the church, I never grew up on it (I'm 15), and the most I care is with TeamFourStar's absolutely masterful reinterpretation of the game's plot for Final Fantasy VII Machinabridged- which I care very deeply for and absolutely love, but that's more about TFS and their writing/acting capabilities than it is about FFVII itself. And even I know that it's impossible to remake the whole thing in one go, especially if they wanted it up to snuff with the level of detail in this first part. It's just unreasonable. That's why I forgive them.
Here's the problem though. It's not just "becuz Square" that people deny any criticism. It's because it's really stupid and full of buzzwords instead of people, usually the purists, knowing what they're talking about; or they're just saying it to be disingenuous. Let's get this tired argument out of the way. Yes, it is not the full story compared to the original BUT it is a full game with enough content to justify full price, new/expanded story beats included. It's like saying the Legend of Heroes series is milking you for all its worth. Yeah, each game is a huge chapter in a greater story, but they're all 70+ hour rpgs with nary a moment wasted or drawn out.It makes no sense calling that a "piecemeal ripoff" game. Compare that to the likes of games like Destiny or Battlefront where they purposely cut out huge chunks of content, story and gameplay, to sell to you in DLC packs for their "live service" so you'll stick around to see if it even gets better than what it should have been in the first place.
As a Trails fan (a series of games with 9 parts to it with 10 releasing in japan this year), if a developer remade a game into multiple parts, I'd be all right with it depending on which game is being remade
The best part of the Remake for me was the dialogue and characterization. Post Final Fantasy 9, I find a lot of the characters and their dialogue to be pretty bad. They ether come off as very obnoxious, or as Clement puts it "Amateur College Philosophers on Xanax". They managed to make Cloud his normal socially awkward wannabe dork instead of a insufferable emo found post FF7. Aerith is not a stoic airhead like in Kingdom Hearts. Jessie's added characterization is really really good. Tifa and Barret are the same lovable selfs as they were in the original. Biggest concern for me is the ending. I really am not a fan of the attitude of "making something different, just for the sake of differentiation. The past will always be there, so we should create something new". I am find with some changes(IE Jessie), but I want the games to respect the original and its legacy, since it is still really good. I do not like Nomura's writing style in the slightest, and all of its biggest flaws would really mess with the original. From refusing to kill certain characters, using questionable and often crappy plot devices, shallow commentary on interesting themes, focus on enigma and convoluted explanation that creates a cycle of confusion,etc. All of that would hit 7 really hard, especially the first issue. However, what is causing the controversy is no one really knows how far they will go. Maybe they are just doing this to raise hype, and will be fairly restrained. Maybe they really will write Nomura's FF7 crazy fanfiction. No one, including myself knows. I hope for the next 2 games, that they continue changes that flesh out the worlds and character(Jessie, Denizens of Midgar, Midgar itself,etc). However, I hope they restrain themselves with the whole "Defying Fate" theme as 7 had two better main original themes in regards to identity and purpose of death. Don't create massive changes that would mess with the original solely for the sake of "subverting expectations", "a (happy) ending", or any other such nonsense. I truly guess we will have to wait and see where Nomura and Nojima's wacky ride takes us. *Cue Whims of Fate
I think the ending is a giant smoke screen. A mere false sense of security. The group defied destiny and think they can continue to do so. However, they're gonna get hit hard when the character dies. The lesson is going to be that sometimes, destiny comes and there's nothing you can do about it. That character needs to die otherwise everything falls apart. Barret getting help from the whisper's though, I think was a callback to the idea that he was supposed to die in one of the original scripts.
@@Stanr93 That very well could be the idea, and I would not put it past Nomura. It would certainty bring attention and marketing to the next 2 games. I agree though that 2 characters need to stay dead. If they do not die, it actually ruins the story, multiple characters and relationships, undercuts tension,stakes, motivation in the story,etc.Those 2 character deaths serves as the main catalyst and example of the games themes and commentary on identity and purpose of death.
But the bigger question is.....did you enjoy this game? Did you enjoy replaying alot of things that felt familiar to you? Or did you felt betrayed by Square Enix? And feel like Square Enix has gone full south? Ive seen alot of FF7 fans become bittered and angry about this remake. It saddens me, but its somewhat funny since people will still hail FF7 as the greatest JRPG ever. Makes you fuckin think doesnt it?
@@Stanr93 Yeah that character will die. I don't see how they could back out of it. I mean if you listen to the lyrics for Hollow it's basically all about how Cloud couldn't prevent that character's death. The whole main theme song of the remake is about the inevitability of that moment and how Cloud is filled with grief because of it. If that character doesn't die, then Hollow makes no sense.
I still think Aerith is gonna die by the end of the remake... but they're absolutely gonna pull a bait-and-switch at the Temple of the Ancients where Sephiroth will fail to kill her. Calling it now. I'm most interested in seeing what happens with Zack, Jessie, and Biggs. Will we be limited to the 9 party members from the original? Will we possibly get more? Will the choice trees and their consequences gradually mutate into having more and more significant effects on the story? I'm interested in seeing where this goes. EDIT: Am I the only one who thought when some of the bosses died, they turned into Pyreflies? Tying into FFX more
I love the world of ff7 and its character so knowing that I will get to experience a brand new unknown story with these character for the first time is honestly exciting. I do think part of the orignal story will be intact but everything relating to Sephiroth and Aerith will be radically different.
Originally they were going to be siblings but that idea was scrapped. As a matter of fact there was a lot of story elements that were reworked or scrapped in the original as well.
@@Sevensignz82 Sephiroth" Your face is as previous as ever Cloud ! It's a shame I couldn't have Zack but you'll do just as well!" Then he impales Cloud on his Masamune and kisses him on the lips before teleporting away .
1:36:42 Every FF is connected, just not directly. Every FF is connected to The Void and Interdimensional Rift. I beileve that last fight between Cloud and Seph is taking place in the rift, and when Sephiroth says "I will not end" hes referring to not wanting to be erased by The Void.
The party at the final battle might be determined by who you played as the most throughout the game, because throughout my playthrough I barely touched Aerith and I played as Tifa and Barret the most and they showed up for me during the final fight.
1:01:20 Kazushige Nojima (scenario writer for the OG FF7) was the main writer for Remake, and the producer Yoshinori Kitase would have more control over the plot than Nomura would Edit: Nope, turns out Nomura was definitely responsible for the story, while Nojima was more like the scene director
I for one like the idea of an alternate universe of FF7 with whole what if factor. After playing the original game since 1997 and throughout my life. Something like this is a fresh breath of air and I have always find these types of stories interesting and amusing. Don't get me wrong, I love the original game story. But I also appreciate what they are trying to do with FF7REMAKE. Which is a work of video game art. I look forward to the Ruby and Emerald Weapon super boss battles along with the other Weapons.
You know.....i could have been ok with an alternative timeline where events played different and new characters.....however they didnt. They are actively changing and know they are rather than letting it be and using The arbiters.
@@thetruewisegamer If it was going to be an alternate timeline then why not change more of it ? Why make players feel as though this is the same story but then towards the end say yeah nope we're not doing that ? If you're going to do a reimagining then go all the way with it don't just sprinkle it in here and there. People above all else hate being deceived .
Never have I had a piece of media left me conflicted as much as this game I loved everything about, combat, music, story changes and all, till the ending. I've tried to be open minded about it and tried to judge it for what it is, but it just doesn't sit right with me no matter how many times I think about it. It feels messy and it made me really concerned for the future rather than excited I feel a little cheated truthfully. I bought this game because I thought it was going to be part 1 of a retelling of a beloved story, only to walk out getting a sequel/reboot set up instead Yes the original still exists, but I personally find it dated. I wanted a remake to see an updated version of it. But sadly we probably won't be getting that now for at least a while I'm sure the next installment will have some great gameplay if part 1 is anything to go by. But I just hope these story changes were worth sacrificing a faithful retelling for. Otherwise it'll be even more of a disapointment
I feel like the name actually has a large amount of issues with this. To be quite blunt, the title of the game doesn't lie as a remake is simply to "make (something) again or differently". However, what gamers these days think when they hear "Remake" is that pretty much everything will be the same when in fact they planned for this game to be something new. I feel that we just need to give the story a chance as a big issue is that it's not what people expected from a remake of a classic such as this. Just as it has the potential to flop, it also has the potential to be an actual well written story,
@@dragonmasterxyz3544 Well, I think this goes beyond the title itself. The marketing for the game heavily implied it would be the same story just with new stuff to expand the story and the same moments but executed in a different way. They definitely marketed changes, but nothing as drastic as the ending. After years of people asking for a remake, they finally deliver it only to pull the rug under everyone literally in the tail end of the first installment I think it's fair to give the story a chance though. I would rather they make something good out of it, even if I don't like the direction they went with. It'd be a lot worse if the story ended up bad because then they traded the opportunity to adapt a pretty good one for an original one that ended up being a mess That being said I'm still largely skeptical. Nomura is part of the reason Kingdom Hearts is more complicated than it needs to be. And while he didn't write this game directly, he definitely had an influence with it in some way since he's the director. Nojima too, the actual writer, from what I've heard (never played it) didn't too well in XIII-2's story and that installment involved alternate timelines as well. Hopefully they know what they're doing but they definitely need to show everyone that they have a plan for all of this
@@water223 Yeah I agree....Nomura being the director has me skeptical to say the least, but I'll be open minded as I welcome a new direction....just don't mess it up.
I don't really listen to podcasts, but I listened to this entire one. Greatly enjoyed your commentary and personality, Johnny, and that of your guests.
I believe the next game will be called 'Final Fantasy VII Seconds', since it is the second part of the remake and is a nod to what Sephiroth says at the ending. EDIT: Also, apparently it takes 7 seconds for Sephiroth to impale Aerith in the original game.
I wonder if Johnny's favorite Final Fantasy VII character is Johnny.
Not a chance. He's in better shape and I'm envious.
@@SomecallmeJohnny but I thought you were johnny! (Ba dum tss)
@@IamaPERSON Only some call him that.
@@jetforcejuno7166 See, he gets it
Fun fact in Costa De La Sol Johnny and Tifa talk in a room, Tifa says to Cloud she's one of her childhood friend and they're gonna chat and catch up
It honestly feels like it's been 84 years since this remake was announced.
Can't believe this was announced in 2015.
Still nowhere near as bad as FFXIII Versus to FFXV; almost a decade since it was first teased and after all that waiting, we got a full priced game that was released still in it's beta stage...
I swear SE gets away with "habits" that would ruin other developers.
It's been 3000 years!
Luckily it was no where near that :)
I think clouds "I dont dance" is a remark on how he definitely can dance, hes just too embarrassed to. I'm more concerned with how he knows all of Andrea's choreography
Reminds me of the dance in FF8, where Squall struggles or simply doesn’t feel like dancing, but then one fade later he just masters it, and seemingly plays it off that he knew the whole time.
Here, Cloud just perfectly dances (If you don’t screw up the QuickTime)
@@TheKpa11 I thought it was implied that Squall DID know how to dance the whole time and just pretended that he didn't because he didn't wanna be there, but once he realized that Rinoa wasn't gonna let him go he just decided "fuck it, I'll do it". Sure it's somewhat contrived, but at least it makes sense given Squall's characterization at that point.
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That is probably the truth yeah.
I want Cloud & Squall to be the competitors for Dancing with the Star.
JJ C Eh, Squall’s moves aren’t that expressive. Facepalming, folding his arms and looking to the side are all he’s got for dancing
Obviously, the final battle of this series is gonna be master Xehanort.
Hans Gretl Hehehe.....about that...
Omfg that would be awesome!! 🤩 crossover of Kingdom Hearts would be AMAZING!
I'll be happy if that is the case
That's why the time line is fucked up.
@@hansgretl1787 Xehanort was Sephiroth in another body the whole time .
I can't believe it ends with Cloud waking up in a Greek Colosseum
Wait really ?
@@BlackangelKatakuri No lol
I'm just making a Kingdom Hearts joke
@@jrpludacrous I'll be honest I would have actually liked that as an ending lol.
@@BlackangelKatakuri I would've been all for an optional fight with Sora, Donald and Goofy in the VR arena
@@jrpludacrous Hell yeah. Maybe even reveal that Chadley is Yozora or related to him . Make it come full circle where KH is FF7 in a completely different universe and Sora is that universe's Cloud.
This game took so long, that Cloud got into Super Smash Bros three times.
2 times
Unless if your counting the 3DS of Smash 4. Than yeah. 3.
@@jjc4924 doesn't count. They are both the same game
@Arthur Morgan Sakurai considers them different and you have to buy him in two separate games so I consider them different
@@Magic_Ice Super Mario Bros on NES and Super Mario Bros on SNES are two completely different games because you have to buy it twice
The stair section, hands down the best part
Joe Gardner that shit was hilarious, especially Barret.
"THIS SUCKS!! I WANNA GO BACK!"
The Poke' Mafia yeah, that's pretty much the moment I laughed hard.
Nah, Honeybee is too glorious. That dance is engrained into my memory.
Wait... THERE IS A STAIR SECTION? BUT I DIDNT GET IT AT ALL!!
Barret vs. the Shinra Middle Manager on the train is one of my favourite scenes, just imagine having a political arguement over environmental issues against a man WITH A GATLING GUN.
I love the abridge's version way of doing that conversation.
SMM: "Please! I have children!"
Barret: "Don't worry, I have a child, a beautiful angel named Marlene"
SMM: "ugh, how can a father have a gun for an arm"
Barret: MAX UNGAR
Barret: "I'd like to apologize... for my actions on the train"
You mentioned the Pedometer Materia. When I got it, I literally just spent an hour running laps around Aerith's garden so that I could get the 5000 steps. That was the best decision I ever made. I never had to worry about leveling Materia again after that.
PeaTearGryfin At first I started doing laps around the garden, but my friend mentioned just do the side quests, you’ll be running around the sectors anyway.
So when are we getting the Johnny vs Final Fantasy marathon
Later this year.
@@SomecallmeJohnny Groovy.
@@SomecallmeJohnny Hell yeah
@@SomecallmeJohnny awesome which one will you stop at?
@@thetruewisegamer He said near the end of this video that he's gonna be doing them in batches of 3, so he's gonna do the first 3 games, then take a break, then the next 3 games, and so on and so forth.
crazy you guys ended up being right about the name for Part 2
Derrek: I heard he tosses out sleeping Taun Berries.
Clement: They're not sleeping.
Johnny and me: Laugh our heads off.
22:45 for those wondering.
ChristianShark Thank you. My laziness had corrupted me when I made that comment.
Playing Hard Mode myself. Those things are so not sleeping. Hell House still continues to be the hardest boss so far.
*Tonberries. :)
@@scribble71891 Aw dang it, I knew I messed that name up. Lol
The stairs with my favorite part especially when I sat down and thought about it. Tifa is a head of Barret and cloud because she’s in shape and only has gloves meanwhile Cloud and Barret have to drag they’re heavy ass weapons up with them
IM CALLING IT NOW by the third game sephiroth joins your team against the games true villain! THE FANS!
Long as we get Bizzaro and Safer still id be fine with that. But the final boss should imo be an alternate Rufus Shinra who finds the promised Land .
@@BlackangelKatakuri But in the OG game they make it abundantly clear that the promised land isn't real or at the very least it's not a material plain, it's an urban myth that was spread after the Cetra died even if this remake is different from the original I still think they are going to keep certain elements like that twist.
@@josephpanno6816 With this changing things the Promised Land could end up being real .
@@BlackangelKatakuri But the world itself is the same in both the remake and the original. So if the promised land isn't a real place in the original's world then wouldn't that mean it can't be a real place in the remake's world? This may be a different timeline, but that shouldn't change the internal makeup of the planet.
Last boss is a fan with a "Squaresoft" t-shirt and the face of ps1 cloud.
The biggest thing I got from this is that JOHNNY NEEDS TO PLAY THE MASS EFFECT TRILOGY
They played us like a damn fiddle.
Wrong game Miller
Go back to BIG BOSS Xd
Perhaps you could train David?
Sent him to kill John/Jack?
OH well Xd
I guess im randomly asking but does anybody know a method to get back into an Instagram account?
I stupidly lost my login password. I would love any assistance you can offer me
@Rory Cayson Instablaster :)
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Legend has it knights of the round will be 40 gigs to install....per knight.
Would be cool if each Knight was a separate summon which each member of the party having one .
PS4/PS5: FUCK!!!!!
@@BlackangelKatakuri That... would be so cool
More like Final Fantasy VII Rebuild.
FFVII Will (not) Be the Same...
FF7 Rebuild 1.0: You can (not) make this shit up
Final Fantasy VII: You Can (Not) Remake
ruclips.net/video/-1yzoiUIGGs/видео.html
I was thinking Final Fantasy VII Retold.
Something that I've noticed that people don't seem to talk about with the reactor explosion. If you look at the initial explosion it actually wasn't that big and it still made the reactor malfunction. Shinra actually was framing them and blew it up themselves. Which is why the robots started shooting up the place and blowing things up. It was to make avalanche seem horrible. The actual explosion from the bomb was tiny and did it's job. But you examine that cutscene and you'll see the robots blow everything up by themselves
I thought it was weird no one had anything to say about that. Thats actually my only problem with the remake. The original made everyone question barret and his resolve, including the player. But playing through this it didn't really blur the lines as much. It just makes Shinra out to be so evil, which they are, but still.
David Dunbar I thought I was the only one who noticed that! I was watching Maximilian Dood’s LP and I thought “Wait...this is Shinra’s fault. Why is nobody talking about this?”
@@paulollarsabaiii9824 they weren't paying attention I think that's what added to it actually. The fact that shinra made them doubt themselves and the people doubt them as well. While showing us the player that It wasn't their fault the bomb worked as intended. But shinra made those machines basically nuke the place.
@@tearzofthefallen6586 well you have to think about it. No one else paid attention they saw one explosion and then they took off they only showed US the players what actually took place. Which was the robots blowing the place up
This was a way to add real tension to the plot and made us truly see how horrible shinra is. Willing to sacrifice many lives for their own selfish gain
Johnny will start reviewing Final Fantasy later this year.
Clement and Derrick might start Final Fantasy XIV as well. Sounds like good times all around for the 3 channels. Cant wait to see
That cutscene when they're showing the Cetra was so cool and now I want an FF game that takes place during that time lol
Hell why not make the second part a prequel ?
Yeah its called Final Fantasy 10
@@TheLuisberg What are you talking about exactly?
@@BlackangelKatakuri The cetra when i first saw them looked exactly like the people from Final Fantasy 10. Both 7 and 10 share a universe but thousands of years apart
@@TheLuisberg You mean the Fayth?
Oh, a podcast discussion of Remake by Johnny? Hell yeah I'm gonna watch this for sure.
(SPOILER HEAVY)
Oh, well never mind. Thanks John, I'll be back as soon as I finish it!
Talk about perfect timing I just finished the game last night lol
Ending was fine - not great, but in context with the rest of the game, it was fine. It's still FF7. And now they are going to explore those characters by writing new scenarios while visiting old ones. Considering the clear creative control they have of these characters and environments (this definitely feels like the 1997 cast, rather than the KH or AC cast), there is a lot to be optimistic about with the next episode.
I hope you enjoyed the game
If you didnt, Im sorry you were screwed over hard.
Alot of games have becomed cancelled and I saw in a video this become true. Is this game truely cancelled? :(
@@JojoMonReturns91 W...what?
@@cronoesify Im asking since the Covid-19/Corona virus HAS affected alot of things lately.
So is the development of videogames cancelled like......permentantly and that no other company cant work on it anymore? Or will it just be downloadable from now on?
Cause right bow Ive heard comics are going down, games are going down, the conventions have closed (though Im worried more about people surviving lately), restaurants closing shop, the list goes on and on and on.
I think it was this video that said that Final Fantasy 7 was cancelled:
m.ruclips.net/video/_fdQZup20gc/видео.html
Again, Im not so sure since Ive been hearing alot of bad things due to this virus and Im staying the fuck home today.
@@JojoMonReturns91 that video is referencing cancel culture and woke nonsense from Kotaku. The development of part 2 started in November of 2019.
The game was fantastic. They wrote the characters well, and I am convinced I am playing the 1997 versions of them. SE is showing complete control over it's property, and I feel the influence of Nomura is way overblown here.
Kitase has explained in multiple interviews what this remake was going to be, and they absolutely delivered. It's a full on exploration of the world and characters of, likely, the entirety of the FF7 and compilations.
They made many decisions in this first part that show clear, careful consideration (such as how they are choosing to portray Sephiroth in an age where the mystery to his power is long gone).
Fans of the original who love the world of FF7 will enjoy exploring it. Fans of the original who want it to be 1:1 and think that remaking it like that will bring back the magic of 1997 will be disappointed.
SE took a risk, and one that I feel it is justified in taking. But like all risks, it can backfire.
So far, it hasn't.
But we have seen episodic JRPGs falter before (Xenosaga). Let's see what happens here.
@@cronoesify That was a beautiful message you conveyed here.
I'm happy you mentioned that the 2nd part will be coming soon. Cause I dont like if games get cancelled and then no new games come out. That would leave FF7 remake in a.......state of limbo (and not the game Limbo, like developmental hell).
Thank you for replying since Ive been through alot of Covid-19 madness and needed some positivity after the Comic Con and Anime Expo cancellations (I would have been more mad if I didnt get refunded and or it didnt transfer for next year and that those cons are dead forever in a perminent state).
Your comment cheers me up afterwards. :')
Just fought Rude and thought "He looks like Somecallmejohnny".
Will be back later after I finish it.
Edit: What a great game but that ending leaves me with mixed feelings. Guess we just ride it out and hope it doesn't suck.
Ya know you're right .
Wow Derrek spot on with starting the next game off with Zack
That ending is super decisive on if you trust modern square enix writing to handle it. After how this game was marketed and what I thought it was going in, I cant trust them to do that. Everything was absolutely incredible but that last hour killed it for me personally.
Same
I feel like it's a litmus test on how much you like Kingdom Hearts style of writing, and Nomura method of telling stories.
@Grima the Fell Dragon For me, I was only really a fan of the original games story. Once Chain of Memories came out, that is when I stopped caring about Nomuras wild ride.
Honestly, I just dislike Time Travel in general. It is a really cool plot device that gets abused way to much by crappy writers. So many stories that have it do not need time travel, and it tends to mess up every part of the story. So many writers can not even write it correctly, and end up breaking their own set rules in order to achieve a certain goal of theirs.
Yeah the ending put them in a very risky place
They basically can't go back to the original plot anymore, otherwise the ending here was for nothing and it'll look like really poor planning. There's not a really a safety net anymore. They essentially have to create a new story with some similar elements that can stand toe to toe with the original and that's not easy
I'm here to be spoiled. Johnny thank you so much we love and appreciate you man. Shout out to Derrick and Clement for joining in. Man I never know Clement was such a big fan of the series and, I always had a feeling Derrick loved RPGs. an amazing treat to watch.
Harpy Player Joe - HPJ have you not seen clement’s final fantasy videos? If not I highly recommend them
@@BH-98 I have I'm waiting for 13-2
I played the original after they announced the remake and I fell in love with it and I loved the remake.
Is this an Evangelion Rebuild situation? Where it's a reboot but the old timeline affects this one?
PolishGMR Pretty much but while Rebuild likes to play coy with the original material, Remake straight up calls it out. Sephiroth quite literally makes references to the original game on several occasions as well as knowing Cloud very intimately, something Sephiroth in the original would have no way of knowing seeing as how is didn’t know who Cloud was.
Yeah. Its not really so much a remake as it is a sequel to FF7. Remake SHOULD be the subtitle, but its very dependent on wether or not you've played or know the original game.
@@Xanime95 Nah. Sephiroth knew who Cloud was even in the original FFVII. Sephiroth was always messing with Cloud's mind tormenting him, giving him false information about being a puppet of Jenova.
Sephiroth just hates Cloud because Cloud humiliated him. He resents the fact that Cloud defeated him, when he should be nothing but a flea to him.
LordMalice6d9 You’re right. I went back to the original and yeah, he does toy with Cloud a good bit but it’s much more subtle. As oppose to the Remake were he’s very in his face.
Yeah. FF7R is a Remake. Literally, it remakes the world of FF7.
Can we discuss, HOW TERRIBLE THE FINAL LAUNCH TRAILER IS?
THEY SPOIL EEVEEERYTHING.
my god, someone needs to sit down with the marketing department and have a serious talk with them.
Reminds me of KH3
I'm so glad I didn't watch it until after I beat the game. The thumbnail alone felt like a big warning to not watch it.
@@victorhugocosta1127 It's not really as bad as kh3, which spoils the actual emotional moments. The ff7 trailer shows out of context moments that make zero sense and don't really spoil much unless you are aware that it's a spoiler in the first place. Still not the greatest way to do things.
You could have, you know, not watched it. That’s always an option.
that trailer seriously sucks wtf where they thinking... spoiling endgame shit like that????
Not a final fantasy 7 fan, never cared for the game but the fans have my sympathy here. It's like, even if this whole remake ends up being really good, that's not what the people wanted; they wanted an updated version final fantasy 7. They like FF7 because of it's story, events and characters. You can't just take those and try to make a time travel story of all things.
As for how your gear might be affected in part two, well trails series does a really unique thing with this. Trails games are all interconnected, hell the second game starts the next day after the first one. And the way it's done in those games is that you still have your quartz BUT they don't work with your new model more up to date Orbments, meaning you have to let go of them. You do get some starting bonuses if you have a save file of the previous game depending on how high your rank was at the end of it. So just say, our Materia is not up to date or it cracked or something like that but give the player some bonus starting items.
Spare your sympathy. People complaining about it haven't thought enough about it and are finding it easy to complain since that's easy to do.
I feel the same as Derrick about the ending... But I do share Johnny and Clements concern about what they’ll end up doing with the next one...
Long as we get Bizarro Sephiroth and Safer I'll be cool otherwise fuck this remake
Cause I need my damn epic Angel Sephiroth in this . Don't care if you get another fight after him just give us this at least.
As long as we get to see all the set pieces I'm good. The story doesn't need to be completely the same, but I want to see what The Planet looks like.
@@CrissAssasin7 They can still give us the iconic boss fights whilst also telling a different narrative. After all they mostly did that here .
@@BlackangelKatakuri And I hope parts 2 and 3 continue down the same road. This game has been improved in a lot of ways, but the finale is also a bit of a mess. Which leaves me worried.
I can resume this in two sentences:
This is a great game...
Play the Original First
Or: This is a great game...
Watch FFVII Machinabridged first. I mean, Johnny would be just as likely to say it, he's worn Machinabridged t-shirts in some of his reviews. I'm pretty sure he wore the "Shinra's Most Wanted" design in his review of Mega Man X8.
I mean I didn't play the original first, but I knew enough of the original's plot second hand to understand the twists and get the effect intended.
@@Nuvendil Or you could just watch Machinabridged. It's easy to do so. It's really good. And I belong to the Cult of TFS (that means I'm just another TeamFourStar fan), so I'm legally, morally, and religiously obligated to shove my love for their content down throats whenever possible.
@@theinimitablejora522 that's ab option. Point is, you don't have to play it, you just need to know the plot
@@Nuvendil And Machinabridged is a great way to digest it.
just over here casually waiting for Johnny vs Final Fantasy Marathon. Would be nice since we're all stuck inside for awhile lol
Yeah, I'm definitely less than fond of the Whispers as a plot element. It really feels like a lose-lose situation they've written themselves into. Because if you change too many things, you disappoint people who wanted to see the original story retold. And if you don't change too many things, then the idea of struggling against fate feels disappointing because the future refused to change. The idea of Destiny vs Agency is an interesting philosophical discussion, but it's difficult (not impossible) to tell a satisfying story with those elements, especially in gaming where the player is (to some degree) controlling the characters.
That said, I think they could still make it interesting. Because there's that bit where Sephiroth says "Join me and we can defy fate together." So they could introduce elements of "did we do the right thing or is that what Sephiroth wanted us to do?" and then the choice of "do we need to put fate back on course or find a new way?" If the upshot of it is that the characters become arbiters of their own fates, that could theoretically become interesting. Especially with Aerith, if her death is not just a thing that happens to her but a choice she makes with full agency, it could add some depth to her sacrifice. Do I trust Nomura enough to handle these things well? I'm not sure.
1:48:42 - Clement's idea does sound interesting. And that's sort of how Wall Market goes. Depending on your choices you can deal with new stuff from this game and get a new dress, or the questline from the original game and get a dress that looks more like that game's dress.
The idea of the planet having a will of its own fits well with this story, but the particular implementation of the Whispers is complicated at best. And in part because this is a remake. If this were the only version of this story, it wouldn't be quite as much of an affront to introduce ideas of Fate, but having a remake where the characters are aware that things are supposed to happen a certain way is less than satisfying. I'll withhold full judgment until I've seen the full story, but I'm apprehensive to say the least.
I’m fully expecting that they’ll change the story completely in the coming part(s).
@@mohmohthesmog7179 I think it's gonna reveal it's actually a sequel to Advent Children where Sephy traveled through time.
This game had elements from every title in the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII. I was very happy with the presentations and references.
Divisive ending, time janitor ghosts, and FFXIII esque soundtrack pieces appearing in parts of the game aside, a very enjoyably game even for newcomers for the most part.
I loved the game but it's hard not to feel soured by the ending. I get what they were going for but they definitely didn't market this as a reboot during the past years. Even then, the ending feels extremely disconnected from the rest of the game and is very Nomura in its writing
On top of it, I don't know who they were going for. People who don't know anything about FF7 and the compilation will be 100% lost and the people who do know are likely to get pissed for not getting a proper remake after all this time
@@TheDiego908 Nomura didn't write this, it was written by the original writer of FF7
TheDiego908 Blame Nojima. Nomura was Director, not one of the primary writers.
www.frontlinejp.net/2020/04/17/ffvii-remake-interview-with-nomura-tetsuya-and-kitase-yoshinori/
"Kitase, who was director of the original FFVII, is asked how much input he had on the remake. He says that the overall direction and concept, story and worldbuilding was left to Nomura, while game design and drama scene direction was left to co-directors Hamaguchi and Toriyama."
Even if this wasn't true, he's the DIRECTOR. At the very least he greenlit a major change in the storyline and sequels instead of cutting it short during development
TheDiego908
Watch the games credits again.
>Story and Scenario- Nojima
>Director and Concept- Nomura
Nomura is not the only one to blame for the writing. Nojima played a big role, as he did throughout most of the completion of FFVII which is why characters from the novellas like Kyrie and others appear in game. Those are Nojima’s characters, not Nomura. This is the same guy behind the explosive blitzball killing Tidus.
According to the wiki, Cloud and Zack were experimented on for 4 years and spent a full year trekking from Nibelheim to Midgar. It makes sense considering the distance between the two.
Re: Stagger lengths, the most egregious one was the dancing alien thing in one ch14 sidequest. Those things only stayed staggered for like half a second. It's not long enough to do anything other than one regular attack. Well, it's a hint that that's not how you're supposed to deal with those things, but still...
EDIT: Hojo didn't get his line about Cloud's past out. The Whispers yeeted him out of the room before he could finish his sentence. This is clearer in the Japanese version because the negative ("not") is at the end of the sentence. Also, the security guard that appeared to recognise Cloud in chapter 2 actually recognised the Buster Sword (the JP audio goes "Wait, that sword is...!").
EDIT2: Regarding continuing to future parts, it's worth noting that CyberConnect2 used to work on this game before Square Enix took development back in-house. CyberConnect2 made the .hack games, which were released in multiple parts and carried over literally everything to future parts. They also capped character levels at some level, and raised the level cap with each part.
If they gonna level cap us at 50 I assume the next game we start at 50 and they can level cap us at a 100. I'm cool with a materia reset if theres story reasons like Yuffie or whatever but dont have me getting wupped by a doomrat after I slayed the physical manifestation of fate two seconds earlier.
I have cracked the code of the naming convention for the future parts:
[Vaguely spoilery after the break]
Part 1: Final Fantasy VII Remake
Part 2: Final Fantasy XVI - Final Fantasy VII x 2 + 2
Part 3: Cloud Returns: Final Fantasy VII
Don't forget the collection; Final Fantasy VII.7 Remake HD Final RE:Mix: Clouds Are Forever.
Assuming Nomura is still the director when it's released.
Spoiler:
This is Part 1 of a Remake of a game from 1997
This game is a sequel lol... I spoiled it for you
Actual Spoiler:
This is a Part 1 of a soft Reboot of a game from 1997.
@loafhero New Super Ultra Final Fantasy VII Remake Deluxe U Part I & Knuckles
Featuring Dante from Devil May Cry Series™
New Funky Mode!
@@Epsilonsama Actual spoiler:
A "soft reboot" would reboot the narrative. The entire plot of FF7 remake is the continuation of the original narrative by the arbiters of fate making the remake a SEQUEL to the original final Fantasy 7. Reboots do not REFERENCE the original work in the reboot's narrative, but the narrative of FF7 psx is ESSENTIAL to this sequel that "remakes" the world of Final fantasy 7 as you know it.
@loafhero I'll work on it. Slap a couple more Reloadeds, Remastereds, Bowser's Minions, Definitives, Best Sellers, Platinums, and Game of the Year Editions on that baby and you've got yourself a vidya game!
TIME JANNIES
I'm glad you mentioned the fact that Cloud REMEMBERED KILLING SEPHIROTH. I really disliked that change, and I don't understand Square's reasoning for making that change.
That is a very crucial, very clutch, very key part of Cloud's development in the original game: the fact that he can't remember the outcome of his confrontation with Sephiroth in Nibelheim.
I'm fairly sure the Cloud we play in Remake has a different background to the one we know from Original. He talks fairly nonchalantly about his time in SOLDIER without any flashes and instead has his flashes where original Cloud *didn't*.
You know what I love? How Johnny and Derrick's personalities are both sort of on opposite ends. Where Johnny is more expressional in using cursing and swearing, and he's definitely one of the cool guys in high school, where he's a bit more urban but fun as hell to be with. And Derrick is the guy who's really into the games, very family friendly, outwardly approachable and very mild mannered, and I love how both of them can get along.
Urban? how white are you lmao
@@IamMacias lol I'm not even denying this. xD
36:10 That shit happened to me in the first boss of chapter 11 and it DID break the game for me. The cutscene was acting up with character's clothes and after it was over the area I was in was pitch black, I was stuck in battle mode and I couldn't get out of it. Since it autosaved at that spot I'd be stuck in that same glitch whenever I loaded it up, damn thing made me have to start over all the way back from chapter 10. I clipped it and sent it to Square's twitter too for how bad it was
One really good ability for Whack-a-Box is Deadly Dodge, especially if you have it maxed out. It's a fast attack that deals good damage in a really wide area, so you can clean up those stacks of 50s in a second and instantly move on to the next.
In the Corkscrew Tunnel Barret mentions Shinra changed the design of Stamp
1:52:35 Prediction come true!😂
Ok having just beat it about 5 minutes ago, I am super curious to see where this goes because I was not expecting that ending at all.
Also I have a ton of respect for how the remake completely validated the original, and means it will continue to return. In a lot of cases remakes will invalidate the originals and as such the remake is the only one to get ported to newer systems, but here it’s clear that they will keep porting the original game to newer systems meaning that we will always see the original come back.
Also also: this game gave me the duel with regular Sephiroth I always wanted, HE EVEN GETS HIS ADVENT CHILDREN WING! IT’S TOO FUCKING COOL!
derrek, clement and johnny? yesssirr :)
I really like how they did Aerith in this game.
Really ? Cause she annoyed me to death with her new voice.
Katakuri Fan I meant more so with how she acts
Completely disagree.. she gets on my nerves with all the over the top cutesy gestures and how clingy she. Like Jessie is worse forsure but I found myself liking Tifa more only cause she carried herself atleast somewhat mature.
@@hypeman1825 Exactly. The cutesy one to me was always Yuffie not Aerith . And by cutesy I mean young and annoying which is how Aerith is here she's pure cringe at times
@@BetterNateThanN3ver Ah so moreso the writing and less the acting ?
Maximilian dood actually has a really interesting theory on the whole timeline thing he did like a two hour discussion on the easy allies spoiler mode podcast
His theory was literally what I started thinking on at the end of the game, and I was considering thats where we're going here. That theory was almost my immediate conclusion, given what I knew and the promo art we had seen years ago. The end fight makes way too many callouts to not be deliberate.
Lol
This guy's on level 4!
@Aaron9 If anything the official FF7 Ultimania book gave more evidence to it, given it outright states that the Whispers you fight are basically direct references to Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo, down to their moves being direct references to the movie, and Croceo (Yazoo) even uses a move referencing his gun, Velvet Nightmare
Nojima (the original writer) has already said that FF7R is meant to include a lot of the Compilation of FF7 in general, which is why we have Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis core mixed into the game, and that Remake has two meanings in the title.
Yeah, to understand story of FF7R we need to look at it like a part of Compilation, not a stand alone game.
I recommend TheLorerunner podcast about FF7R that he did with Mike from Darkpixel, they go real deep into lore.
I like the ending. I completely understand not wanting to do exactly like the original. If so you might as well just go play that one. The unknown part of the ending has me so excited. Can’t wait for the second part.
I wouldn't be surprised if the final game ends with Cloud meeting Sora Donald and Goofy in the Olympus Coliseum
The first time i saw the cat, i imagined him saying "DAMN YOU SHINRA !! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL !!" His extra dramatic ass made me laugh
I believe using Sephiroth from the start just shows how *serious* he has become for this
In the OG he was playing with you, never took you seriously and that's what cost him to lose
But now terrorizin you every second and in the end even take a swing at you says a lot
I was hoping this was a direct update of ff7 to help expand its audience. Despite the original being available on every modern system and quality of life updates, it's still not necessarily accessible. It's a ps1 rpg, which while it has aged better than some others of it's time, it's still over 20 years old and I cant fault anybody for not being able to get into it. Making it a more modern video game that will hold up better could have done wonders for the legacy of ff7.
though I played it for the 1st time 4 years ago and loved it
You can play FFVII OG on PlayStation now. Tbh it’s pretty accessible. I’ve seen plenty of people play it before the remake. It’s a remake not a remaster.
Thanks so much for this discussion guys - I don't know any other FF fans in real life, so it was really enjoyable to hear a discussion from some of my favourite RUclipsrs, and people who know the original inside and out! I'm pretty much on the same page as you guys - particularly Johnny and Clement on the ending haha. Looking forward to hearing you and Matt talk about the Remake too at some point (probably when the FF7 LP continues), John! =D
My theory for the 7 sec thing is the Edge of Creation fight will be repeated at the end of Part 3 after beating Safer Sephiroth similar to the OG. This time, Cloud uses those 7 sec to Omnislash or something like that.
Actually apparently, in some in-game description, the seven seconds was referring to before the impact of meteor. Which is fine, but I liked a different theory that referenced Seph's decent to kill Aerith being seven seconds.
Imagine calling the name of the 2nd part as a joke only to make it real
God the Hell House was SUCH a long fight
I hated it .
Its not that bad if you destroy the hands during the God Mode section. Nobody seems to realize you can do it. Destroying the hands instantly puts it into Pressured status.
Hell House on hard mode, man. It's insane.
Remake vs. Remaster.... Memories, its all about memories. They are what make up the lifestream after all, and everything else for that matter.....
1:02:21 that ladder scene absolutely sold me on Aerith here, she’s probably my favorite character in this remake along with Barret.
You guys should have this conversation again, but add in Maximilian Dood to take you down the road of brain blowing theories lol
"embrace your dreams"
"And no matter what happens...."
One thing I think FF7 Remake absolutely nailed was the world building. In the original, Midgar feels less like a city and more like a set piece. You barely interact with anybody there. The events play out quickly to set up the rest of the game, and then you don't think about Midgar again until almost the end of the game. Midgar in FF7R feels like a lived in city with real people. Hell, they introduced a cartoon dog that serves as a propaganda piece to keep the citizens brainwashed.
So after having thought about it for a while I think it would be cool if we still get the iconic fights but the real villain ends up being Rufus . In this game he he actually finds the Promised Land.
I said when I beat the game, between this and the Kingdom Hearts 3 ending, it feels like Nomura is building up to something and is using these games as an excuse to do it. The versus xiii stuff in kh3, this game feeling like they are setting it up to NOT be final fantasy vii, suddenly TWEWY aspects thrown into KH, it seems like Nomura is starting a shared universe if his own.
The nomura interactive universe.
There's something going on in Nomura's head, only time will tell if its good.🤔
No matter how good ppl think Nomura is, they can't let him go off the rails like that. A company needs to have integrity, and not be an idea dictatorship. He's already allowed to be very self-indulgent, which strikes me as odd cause one would usually expect that to be frowned upon in the more traditional japanese work environment. And imo Nomura isn't that great of a writer; might be one of the better ones Square might have at the moment, but most other big game companies are doing better in the story quality department.
Took me three days to beat it loved it and how they are making a new timeline
Cooltigerkook a timeline were zack is alive sign me up!
@@justafan2745 that would be awesome!!
Hoping you guys get together again to discuss Rebirth
I almost expect to see jessie in the gold saucer with amnesia
1:34:09 If you rewatch the fight you'll notice when Cloud deals the final blow Sephiroth turns into Whispers implying that it was Whispers you fought and not the real Sephiroth
That makes me think the Whispers are part of Jenova and we're going full blown HP Lovecraft albeit significantly watered down.
You could even go further into the rabbit hole by watching the meteor scene again, watch the meteor turn into whispers that sephiroth absorbs, just like his original plan of absorbing the lifestream from the wound of the meteor strike. Only difference is instead of being a god like his original plan, now he’s a god of fate.
@@TheAceLewis A god of fate? At that point why not make him the Beyonder .
You know, me being a casual player of RPGs, i've never got into FF games, odd but i must have been overwhelm with all the other SNES rpgs and after that, Chrono Cross.
This was my first full approach to FF and as a "new spectator", this game got me hooked. This could be a good entrance point for people like me who will enter now to the FF universe.
I'm listening to this two years after the fact and I am LOVING it.
I know I'm suuuuuper late, but in Japanese Hojo's reveal was cut short. The negative that would denote Cloud not being in SOLDIER would have occurred at the end of the sentence, after he got interrupted by the whispers. In English Cloud was exposed but in Japan? nah.
I got soft locked after the second abzu fight cos he died right in front of the exit 😣
When it comes to the "Aerith staying alive" idea, I always figured that if Sephiroth didn't kill Aerith, then she'd finish her spell of Holy, it'll stop Meteor from coming down long before Sephiroth activates it with the black materia (or attack Sephiroth directly), and his plans would just be fucked over right then and there.
We see holy struggle to keep back meteor if she doesn’t die then holy goes off but fails
Because this Sephiroth is from the future. He no longer cares about the Black Materia. His goal now is to fuck the timeline so much that he can take it over. That's my guess at least.
If you're having trouble with ATB on your none control characters. I have two materials that will fix that.
1st can't remember the name but its gives your team mates atb when you cast two atb back to back real fast. If that Is mastered you will give a team mate a full bar.
2nd is Skill Master. Cast 3 different atb and you will get a full Atb to keep Funneling atb to the other team mates.
I’m so excited for the rebirth version of this
Can't wait for part.2 of FF7R Costa De La Sol, that's pretty much the fanservice section where all the guys and gals are in swimsuits. Also can we still kick the ball and make Red13 Angry? lol
Also Sailor Barrett FTW!
I want to see a part 2 trailer with Tifa and Yuffie in bikinis before I buy.
After how they handled the Honey Bee Inn in this game I’m 100% sure Costa Del Sol will be the FFVII version of the obligatory anime beach episode and I am 100% here for it
I'm gonna be curious how they handle the little cutscenes, because in the original the cutscenes are dependent on the two characters with you. But in the remake they include all the characters.
Does this mean everyone will be with you when you see hojo? Are the side quests just gonna be shit like find barret in a sailor suit? We have no idea
The head writer for RWBY said some really puritan stuff about Tifa saying she looked like a prostitute. He apparently deleted it after he got some pushback but whoa. Woman (fictional or otherwise) shows any sort of skin and it’s a bad thing.
its funny that yang is basically just tifa
To be fair Tifa isn't a women, she's a character written and designed by men to visually and emotionally please other men. I ain't a sjw or a woman hater, but I can definitely see how someone could get thot vibes from a real person walking around in Tifa's outfit.
RWBY as a whole went down after season 3 in my opinion.
@@Substantial-hf1rm So I guess we just forgetting lesbians then? Attractive/interesting character design can be appreciated by everyone.
@@justinbotkin let's not act like a Japanese gaming character from the 90's had lesbians in mind.
the last 3 hours is basically tetsuya nomura popping off
Which infuriates me cause he's a horrible writer
@@BlackangelKatakuri horrible writer my ass. Final fantasy are some of the best video games of all time. Look at all the generic cookie cutter run of the mill anime stuff for horrible writing
I actually did run in circles for a while in Aerith’s yard to work up the pedometer materia as soon as I got it lmao
I think Derek's the only person who likes the ending 100%
Wait till he sees just crazy yet all over the place Nomura's wild ride can be. I guarantee he will change his tune then.
1:42:24 Holy shit he got that exactly right
I do have to say, I'm not sure that was really sephiroth at the end because of all the whispers that shoot out of him. It could be sephiroth controlling the whispers via the lifestream. But damn that final fight cutscene with sephiroth and cloud one on one, that definitely led me to believe Cloud is holding back his true power when you play as him
My childhood games I grew up with are :
MG and MGS
FF
RE
Castlevania
SILENT HILL
DMC
Suikoden
Grand Turismo
And many more
Although MGS will always remain the *king of games and story telling* for me xd
Those were just one of the few games i started with, FF games are great but people keep forgetting the *original purpose* of the game
Which was *FANTASY* I have almost forgotten how it feels to play a *FANTASY* game
FF 1, FF4, FF 5, FF13, FF X, FF IX, those were *TRUE FANTASY* games
No final fantasy game is really grounded and realistic
I have heard people saying : FF7 theme is about death and accepting that death and moving on, it's impact its so great etc.
And am like : Really? The same game that *forced each death down our throats* and even afterwards the devs them selves admitted that Aerith and Zack death was *forced* and *mesningless*
They did this cause Kitase was going through a face with the death of his mother and he wnted to even kill Cloud and his entire party
I respect his loss but we all have lost someone and he over did it
He admitted all that in interviews
As much as love the FF franchise (FFIV, FFXII and FFT being my favourites), I'll have to admit SE is taking full advantage of both nostalgia and the investment fallacy.
Long story short if other developers remade a game and divided it into multiple full priced episodic games they'll be hung out to dry however because its FF VII; "The best FF", "the best JRPG", "the best game of all time", etc they can get away with it plus folks just have to see how it'll "develop" and "end" regardless if it's objectively good or not.
I hope I didn't come off as a hater, I actually enjoyed FF VII remake ep 1 but that amount of denial of any criticism I've seen online (from personal experience) is crazy!
There's also the fact that the dev team explicitly stated in interviews that this project as whole would be a "faithful adaptation" of the original's storyline, when the final episodes are anything but.
Feels like they were afraid of announcing it as a Sequel/Reboot, so they just lied to fans who wanted an expanded but faithful adaptation of one of videogames' most classic narratives.
Feels pretty sketchy to me imo. Specially considering they never put the "episode 1" on this games cover
Dude, I never cared that much about the original FFVII. I've only played it until the point where Cloud meets Aerith and Reno in the church, I never grew up on it (I'm 15), and the most I care is with TeamFourStar's absolutely masterful reinterpretation of the game's plot for Final Fantasy VII Machinabridged- which I care very deeply for and absolutely love, but that's more about TFS and their writing/acting capabilities than it is about FFVII itself. And even I know that it's impossible to remake the whole thing in one go, especially if they wanted it up to snuff with the level of detail in this first part. It's just unreasonable. That's why I forgive them.
Here's the problem though. It's not just "becuz Square" that people deny any criticism. It's because it's really stupid and full of buzzwords instead of people, usually the purists, knowing what they're talking about; or they're just saying it to be disingenuous.
Let's get this tired argument out of the way. Yes, it is not the full story compared to the original BUT it is a full game with enough content to justify full price, new/expanded story beats included. It's like saying the Legend of Heroes series is milking you for all its worth. Yeah, each game is a huge chapter in a greater story, but they're all 70+ hour rpgs with nary a moment wasted or drawn out.It makes no sense calling that a "piecemeal ripoff" game.
Compare that to the likes of games like Destiny or Battlefront where they purposely cut out huge chunks of content, story and gameplay, to sell to you in DLC packs for their "live service" so you'll stick around to see if it even gets better than what it should have been in the first place.
As a Trails fan (a series of games with 9 parts to it with 10 releasing in japan this year), if a developer remade a game into multiple parts, I'd be all right with it depending on which game is being remade
Ain't even the best jrpg lol
The best part of the Remake for me was the dialogue and characterization. Post Final Fantasy 9, I find a lot of the characters and their dialogue to be pretty bad. They ether come off as very obnoxious, or as Clement puts it "Amateur College Philosophers on Xanax". They managed to make Cloud his normal socially awkward wannabe dork instead of a insufferable emo found post FF7. Aerith is not a stoic airhead like in Kingdom Hearts. Jessie's added characterization is really really good. Tifa and Barret are the same lovable selfs as they were in the original.
Biggest concern for me is the ending. I really am not a fan of the attitude of "making something different, just for the sake of differentiation. The past will always be there, so we should create something new". I am find with some changes(IE Jessie), but I want the games to respect the original and its legacy, since it is still really good. I do not like Nomura's writing style in the slightest, and all of its biggest flaws would really mess with the original. From refusing to kill certain characters, using questionable and often crappy plot devices, shallow commentary on interesting themes, focus on enigma and convoluted explanation that creates a cycle of confusion,etc. All of that would hit 7 really hard, especially the first issue. However, what is causing the controversy is no one really knows how far they will go.
Maybe they are just doing this to raise hype, and will be fairly restrained. Maybe they really will write Nomura's FF7 crazy fanfiction. No one, including myself knows. I hope for the next 2 games, that they continue changes that flesh out the worlds and character(Jessie, Denizens of Midgar, Midgar itself,etc). However, I hope they restrain themselves with the whole "Defying Fate" theme as 7 had two better main original themes in regards to identity and purpose of death. Don't create massive changes that would mess with the original solely for the sake of "subverting expectations", "a (happy) ending", or any other such nonsense. I truly guess we will have to wait and see where Nomura and Nojima's wacky ride takes us.
*Cue Whims of Fate
I think the ending is a giant smoke screen. A mere false sense of security. The group defied destiny and think they can continue to do so. However, they're gonna get hit hard when the character dies. The lesson is going to be that sometimes, destiny comes and there's nothing you can do about it.
That character needs to die otherwise everything falls apart. Barret getting help from the whisper's though, I think was a callback to the idea that he was supposed to die in one of the original scripts.
@@Stanr93 That very well could be the idea, and I would not put it past Nomura. It would certainty bring attention and marketing to the next 2 games.
I agree though that 2 characters need to stay dead. If they do not die, it actually ruins the story, multiple characters and relationships, undercuts tension,stakes, motivation in the story,etc.Those 2 character deaths serves as the main catalyst and example of the games themes and commentary on identity and purpose of death.
But the bigger question is.....did you enjoy this game?
Did you enjoy replaying alot of things that felt familiar to you?
Or did you felt betrayed by Square Enix? And feel like Square Enix has gone full south?
Ive seen alot of FF7 fans become bittered and angry about this remake. It saddens me, but its somewhat funny since people will still hail FF7 as the greatest JRPG ever. Makes you fuckin think doesnt it?
@@JojoMonReturns91 I loved the things that were in the original that we got to see here
@@Stanr93 Yeah that character will die. I don't see how they could back out of it. I mean if you listen to the lyrics for Hollow it's basically all about how Cloud couldn't prevent that character's death. The whole main theme song of the remake is about the inevitability of that moment and how Cloud is filled with grief because of it. If that character doesn't die, then Hollow makes no sense.
I still think Aerith is gonna die by the end of the remake... but they're absolutely gonna pull a bait-and-switch at the Temple of the Ancients where Sephiroth will fail to kill her. Calling it now.
I'm most interested in seeing what happens with Zack, Jessie, and Biggs. Will we be limited to the 9 party members from the original? Will we possibly get more? Will the choice trees and their consequences gradually mutate into having more and more significant effects on the story?
I'm interested in seeing where this goes.
EDIT: Am I the only one who thought when some of the bosses died, they turned into Pyreflies? Tying into FFX more
I don't think she will. The remake is my first Final Fantasy. I am familiar with the series because of Cloud and the others in Kingdom hearts.
They were in the tube for 4 years. Zack and Cloud were on the run for 10 months.
I love the world of ff7 and its character so knowing that I will get to experience a brand new unknown story with these character for the first time is honestly exciting. I do think part of the orignal story will be intact but everything relating to Sephiroth and Aerith will be radically different.
Maybe Sephiroth becomes an ally here .
Originally they were going to be siblings but that idea was scrapped. As a matter of fact there was a lot of story elements that were reworked or scrapped in the original as well.
@@Sevensignz82 Maybe Sephiroth will secretly be in love with Cloud lol.
@@BlackangelKatakuri He clearly loves Cloud in the remake! That's why he is stalking him early on 😂
@@Sevensignz82 Sephiroth" Your face is as previous as ever Cloud ! It's a shame I couldn't have Zack but you'll do just as well!" Then he impales Cloud on his Masamune and kisses him on the lips before teleporting away .
1:36:42 Every FF is connected, just not directly. Every FF is connected to The Void and Interdimensional Rift. I beileve that last fight between Cloud and Seph is taking place in the rift, and when Sephiroth says "I will not end" hes referring to not wanting to be erased by The Void.
The party at the final battle might be determined by who you played as the most throughout the game, because throughout my playthrough I barely touched Aerith and I played as Tifa and Barret the most and they showed up for me during the final fight.
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Kazushige Nojima (scenario writer for the OG FF7) was the main writer for Remake, and the producer Yoshinori Kitase would have more control over the plot than Nomura would
Edit: Nope, turns out Nomura was definitely responsible for the story, while Nojima was more like the scene director
In an interview, they confirmed that Nomura is responsible for the story changes.
I for one like the idea of an alternate universe of FF7 with whole what if factor. After playing the original game since 1997 and throughout my life. Something like this is a fresh breath of air and I have always find these types of stories interesting and amusing.
Don't get me wrong, I love the original game story. But I also appreciate what they are trying to do with FF7REMAKE. Which is a work of video game art.
I look forward to the Ruby and Emerald Weapon super boss battles along with the other Weapons.
You assume those fights will be in tbe game if it's a an alternate reality
You know.....i could have been ok with an alternative timeline where events played different and new characters.....however they didnt. They are actively changing and know they are rather than letting it be and using The arbiters.
@@thetruewisegamer If it was going to be an alternate timeline then why not change more of it ? Why make players feel as though this is the same story but then towards the end say yeah nope we're not doing that ? If you're going to do a reimagining then go all the way with it don't just sprinkle it in here and there. People above all else hate being deceived .
@@BlackangelKatakuri well honestly i could have accepted it all if not for the arbiters
@@thetruewisegamer The Arbiters I would argue are based on the numbered experiments with tattoos from the original. One even says Reunion for example.
Never have I had a piece of media left me conflicted as much as this game
I loved everything about, combat, music, story changes and all, till the ending. I've tried to be open minded about it and tried to judge it for what it is, but it just doesn't sit right with me no matter how many times I think about it. It feels messy and it made me really concerned for the future rather than excited
I feel a little cheated truthfully. I bought this game because I thought it was going to be part 1 of a retelling of a beloved story, only to walk out getting a sequel/reboot set up instead
Yes the original still exists, but I personally find it dated. I wanted a remake to see an updated version of it. But sadly we probably won't be getting that now for at least a while
I'm sure the next installment will have some great gameplay if part 1 is anything to go by. But I just hope these story changes were worth sacrificing a faithful retelling for. Otherwise it'll be even more of a disapointment
I feel like the name actually has a large amount of issues with this. To be quite blunt, the title of the game doesn't lie as a remake is simply to "make (something) again or differently". However, what gamers these days think when they hear "Remake" is that pretty much everything will be the same when in fact they planned for this game to be something new.
I feel that we just need to give the story a chance as a big issue is that it's not what people expected from a remake of a classic such as this. Just as it has the potential to flop, it also has the potential to be an actual well written story,
@@dragonmasterxyz3544 True that!
@@dragonmasterxyz3544 Well, I think this goes beyond the title itself. The marketing for the game heavily implied it would be the same story just with new stuff to expand the story and the same moments but executed in a different way. They definitely marketed changes, but nothing as drastic as the ending. After years of people asking for a remake, they finally deliver it only to pull the rug under everyone literally in the tail end of the first installment
I think it's fair to give the story a chance though. I would rather they make something good out of it, even if I don't like the direction they went with. It'd be a lot worse if the story ended up bad because then they traded the opportunity to adapt a pretty good one for an original one that ended up being a mess
That being said I'm still largely skeptical. Nomura is part of the reason Kingdom Hearts is more complicated than it needs to be. And while he didn't write this game directly, he definitely had an influence with it in some way since he's the director. Nojima too, the actual writer, from what I've heard (never played it) didn't too well in XIII-2's story and that installment involved alternate timelines as well. Hopefully they know what they're doing but they definitely need to show everyone that they have a plan for all of this
@@water223 Yeah I agree....Nomura being the director has me skeptical to say the least, but I'll be open minded as I welcome a new direction....just don't mess it up.
I don't really listen to podcasts, but I listened to this entire one. Greatly enjoyed your commentary and personality, Johnny, and that of your guests.
I believe the next game will be called 'Final Fantasy VII Seconds', since it is the second part of the remake and is a nod to what Sephiroth says at the ending.
EDIT: Also, apparently it takes 7 seconds for Sephiroth to impale Aerith in the original game.