Jehovah's Witness's Great Apostasy Disproved.
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
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This Chicken Scratch focuses on Jehovah's Witness and their belief in the Great Apostasy. They say it's Biblical warned of a complete falling away, it is true?
Great video! I wish I could have your knowledge and words when dealing with my JW friend. It’s so sad to see how they believe all the lies they are told. God bless you 🙏🏼
I think a great strategy is not to first focus on whether Jesus is God or not, but is he created or not. Learn how to refute "Firstborn" in Colossians 1, "Only-begotten son" in John 3, "Beginning of the creation of God" in Revelation 3, and Proverbs 8. Once you study them, they are very easy to refute.If they have an ounce of intellectual honesty, that will really make them start questioning their trust in the Watchtower organization.
Glory to the name above all names
JESUS CHRIST!
Amen!
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I love these videos. So full of info straight to the point and easily digested. Thankyou so much for your work and efforts I very much appreciate your channel x
Glad I came across your channel.
Very interesting viewpoints !
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Spot on friend! You speak the truth and it makes me smile! Just for the record, seven day Adventist do not believe in a great apostasy. There is a book, the great controversy, that speaks about early faith and the history of Christian faith. They have the foundational beliefs not to make any sweeping denunciations of other denominations. By this I mean, they believe that there are sheep and other folds to be called out of Babylon… Seven day Adventist know that professed Christians all around the world worship God and love him with the light that they are given.
Correct, however those origins did begin with the “restoring the lost church”. They have most away from a lot of their old teaching, which is a good thing.
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So good! 👍
On point dude!
Thanks buddy very true👍
Interesting thoughts, thanks! The jws have been visiting lately. Trying to learn all I can about them so I can help them see they're in a cult.
Hey angel you! Are you a pastor? I mean, you KNOW so much and can explaine the gospel so well with such divine power (holy ghost/spirit) :)
Thanks so much for the compliment. I’m not officially a pastor, but have been in the church teaching groups of Christians and non-Christians for many many years, with addition to leading Bible studies. Felt the Lord leading me to start this channel and really build it, so I’m excited to see what God does.
The Church did have a real struggle with heresy over centuries but orthodox teaching prevailed,
"Shall not prevail" is a final state. Restoration is necessary, but it's not the jws or Brighamites.
Great video, thanks! What’s your take on the SDA and the importance of observing the Sabbath, and that being on Saturday? And the mark of the beast being legislation that will force everyone to worship on Sunday? Can you do a video on this big topic? Thanks!
Also, this just came to mind, but could you also do a video specifically on the spiritualism of Israel in end times prophecy. You’ve touched on this already, but the mentioning of 144000 from all the 12 tribes of Israel, and the battle of Armageddon being at the ACTUAL place of Megiddo. I’m coming from a JW perspective where all things Israel/Jew related has been spiritualised because they need the Jews in God’s plan to have been done away with now and forever and that the 144000 Jehovah’s Witness leaders are the spiritual Israelites here now on the earth. Interesting topic. 👍🏽
The sabbath is on my list, since sooo many sects, cults, and group have that belief. I’ll say this as a teaser, though the video might be while, the sabbath is Saturday, but Christians are never commanded to worship on the sabbath. Not even the Jews were commanded to worship on the sabbath, as it’s a day of rest, meant for man. 9 out of the 10 of the commandments are listed in the NT, but sabbath is left out, because now we’ve entered into the sabbath with Christ’s defeat of death. Sunday we worship as the Lord’s day, when he rose from the grave, but I’ll go into much greater detail later.
@@benz8421 : The 144,000 are from all nations.
Read Revelation 5:9,10.
The nation of Israel doesn't exist anymore.
Even in Jesus' day, the 10 Tribe Northern kingdom of Israel had exited from existence.
It will be hard for God to choose 144,000 people from a nation that doesn't exist.
Beside, don't forget. They MUST be true DISCIPLES of Jesus.
@@tongakhan230 And only JWs can possibly be true disciples?
@@tongakhan230they also must be virgins, and men
A total apostasy of all Christians cannot happen. To get there, you have to ignore the fact that some and many are used in every warning. You have to believe that the devil is more powerful than GOD making him able to destroy the church. What the Jehovah's Witnesses don't realize is that if Satan destroy the church as the they are so desperate to believe, he can easily do it again.
All the maidens fell asleep and were woken up by a shout at midnight (Matthew 25).
How do they fall asleep?
When is/was midnight?
What is/was the shout?
How do they all wake up?
JW's teach that Christ was given an entirely spiritual resurrection but didn't come back in the flesh 1John 4:1-3
if someone comes in Jesus name and tell you: Hey you not allowed to give money to poor ones!! Could he be tha false teacher???? I would answer yes , they JWs forbiding you tehth you giving money to poor ones, and yes they smell like a false teachers spirit!!!
No, we shouldn't
If the apostasy didn't occur after the death of the apostles, then why did the Protestants break away from the Roman Catholic Church?
Were the Protestants the foretold apostasy?
Boooom!
Interesting video, thanks.
Around Jesus in the flesh at 1 John 4:2 and 2 John 7 I’m not sure if I understand you correctly.
Do you believe that Jesus will come back as flesh AND stay forever as a human, in flesh.
I read these two verses as he came as Jesus Christ and stayed for 33 years and the Christians had to believe this fact.
I had always believed in “the great apostasy”, but now I have to ask, who have the truth as a denomination. I for one don’t believe in any denomination after the early church, the great apostasy, because its impossible according to for instance Galatians 5:18 saying
“But if ye be led of the spirit, ye are not under the law.”
It’s of cause the control from our own spirit according to the context.
A denomination without any law or commandment is impossibly or ridiculous to maintain. We are on our own as kings. Revelation 1:6; 5:10.
God bless you.
@@bourbon_sketcher You are right that God's spirit can work in us or with us, but I think it's of utmost importance to realize that some of us are spirits.
Interestingly you mention Romans. Look up 1:9 saying
"For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;"
Also Romans 8:16 mention both God's spirit together with our spirits
"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:"
Also 1 Corinthians 2:11 makes it clear that the Bible refers to our own personal spirit differing from God's spirit
"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."
So how can we determine if it's the spirit of God or our spirit? It's of cause the context.
The context in Galatians 5:18 is that this is our spirit because else we would only be able to have the fruit of the spirit (verse 22..) controlled by God, which would be absurd.
Furthermore, as told in Galatians 5:14, we are FULFILLING the law, not living by any law, but loving our fellowmen. We are not even told to love God. Only if we are without any commandment we are able to love God unconditionally.
It's not only the law of Moses which is covered because this law of Moses was holy and good, Romans 7:12.
Another famous place is John 4:24
"God is a spirit, and those who worship must worship in spirit and truth."
It's absurd, nearly blasphemish, that God should want to be worshipped with forced love.
Thanks for responding.
@@bourbon_sketcher Of cause if understand what you are referring to.
Your beloved Romans gives an example in 9:11,12
“For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;...
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”
Or our Lord told us according to Matthew 25:29
“For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.”
To start with nearly nothing and not even a little chance in the context that you can’t do anything to impress God according to Ephesians 2:8,9 or Titus 3:5.
Or all the places in Old Testament where God destroys children, women etc.
So some are children of God but need to realize who and were the come from Joh 17:18
“As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.”
That’s why it is said from our God, John 17:9
“I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.”
Logical there is two possibilities. Either we can work for it or everything is given.
I hope it was helpful.
It's in the Bible. But I believe the GA is still in the future.
Don't the scriptures say not to place trust in earthling man?
Yes. Good thing Jesus is God.
HI I can understand that you started this site with the intention of discovering the true biblical truth and helping JW. What I didn’t like about this video is that you put different religions in the same bucket without proof!
So I would ask you if you could tell me, according to you, which today's religious organization is closest to Biblical teaching in your opinion? Ty
What organization? I don’t believe it’s organizations but individuals. Anyone who comes put their faith in the person and work of Christ, the true Christ, repented and been baptized is saved. Some people might debate and non essential issues, and some make non essentials a requirement for salvation. But Christians are United by the Gospel and Christ.
You said i put different religions in there, you mean Mormons, World mission society? These are groups they preach the church fell away.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I hope you didn't misunderstand me! I did not say that salvation requires an organization, but I asked which one you think is closest to biblical teaching.
On the other hand, if we follow your recipe "believe and am baptized" How do I decide who should baptize me?
And if anyone can baptize me, what is the difference between baptism and bathing? :) I think the Bible clearly teaches how to be baptized!
@@zoki8000 You mean do I think baptists, 7day Adventists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Calvinists, etc, which one of those is closest to teaching?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Well, I don't think only of them, I mean anyone in general
@@LightoverDarkMinistry In which church were you a teacher and what do you dislike there, Of course the Institution does not save anyone but do you really think that there is no church that is according to God's will?
It's a recorded part of biblical history that the entire nation of israel went "apostate" more than once. The bride wasn't faithful. It can and has happened many times, super fine apostles etc... You don't think if "Jesus" allowed it in the past he wouldn't allow it again? Good either allows all things out causes all things. Directly or indirectly he's responsible for everything that happens.
God always retained a remnant of his people. This was the whole point of 1Ki 19 when Elijah felt he was the only God fearing person left and Yahweh said, 'no you're not! I've kept for myself a remnant of faithful people-7 thousand who have remained loyal to me.'
The NT is very clear that only _some_ will depart from the faith (1Ti 4:1), not all.
Yes many in Israel did leave, and worshiped other Gods. YHWH even calls them a whore. However the difference now is that Christ has come, and the gospel has gone out to all the world, not just to one nation. So many will still fall away, but there will always be many true believers who continue to grow and reach the lost. AND, the Helper is now with us, guiding us to all truth, which wasn’t true for the nation of Israel.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : That seems to be a rather presumption statement. The holy spirit (the helper) was at work among the Israelites.
2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.
How else would the Israelites write books including prophecies in them if they didn't have the helper, the holy spirit?
Stay with what the Bible teaches.
Private interpretations may be useful to ensnare more subscribers.
Truth is cherished by only a few (Matthew 7:14),
3:15
then when christ returns he will destroy
You add words to the epistle that are not there even while your circling and highlighting the text. Except you didn't highlight the, "then when Christ returns he will destroy" Because it is not there. What is there is, "is revealed". Always learning but never understanding. You read your preconceived ideas into the text even when it is not there. ... And no I am not a JW.
2:8 Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
God shows this man or group is evil, then no sooner eliminates them. Not reading anything into it. Says it right there.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Now your switching versus. Words in 2:8 instead of 2:3 which your were highlighting and which I called you out on. You glazed over the word "reveal" along with its meaning, concept and implications. You conflated "reveal" with "overthrow" and "His coming". Also by doing so you left out the conjunction "and" (indicate connection or addition ) expressing that two conditions (coming and revealing) must be met before the Lord returns.
Consider the text again in context with the previous verse:
2:2 "... -asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 2:3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs AND the man of lawlessness is revealed ..." This clearly indicates two separate events that must take place before " the day of the Lord".
This is logical language construct saying that both the apostasy (or other translations: rebellion, falling away, leaving of the scriptures) must come AND the man of lawlessness (it facilitator /s) must be revealed as a condition before Jesus returns. So like I tried tell you before you are reading into the text preconceived ideas and missing out on what it is really saying. Revealing the false teachings and doctrines and getting out from it is what saves. Knowing the identity or name of a specific person or group that did it is of lesser importance, or of no importance if it come too late.
Perhaps you should take a good look at the definition of "reveal" also. Something must already exist and be hidden before it can be revealed. Like an existing secret is revealed. ... thus the "secret power of lawlessness is already at work;" and then afterwards, with no time limitation set, the "secret power of lawlessness is revealed". This creates a continuing condition for all of us throughout time and generations that is exactly as it was when the Lord came in the flesh. People would be born and raised into the apostasies and false teachings of their day. They would be forced into a situation where they must abandoned their false beliefs and separate themselves from their family and friends and long held traditions or be judged for not acting with faith on the words and warnings of the Lord.
People are taught to conflate and confuse "reveal" with "coming" or "overthrowing" in these versus. So the truth never gets revealed to them. ..,. The delusion remains.
"2:8 Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
God shows this man or group is evil, then no sooner eliminates them. Not reading anything into it. Says it right there.."
He reveals him right before he destroys him is not what it is actually saying. Again you are reading this idea into the verse. "whom the Lord will eliminate " gets interpreted as "then no sooner , or immediately after, or at that time". But that is not what the statement is saying.
@@jdwagman The topic is not eschatology, or the timing, or who is this anti christ figure. The focus is how this isn’t talking about a great apostasy. It’s focused on this figure who leads a rebellion, and how The Lord will destroy it when he comes back. Perhaps I could have been clearer. As my own opinion aside on this figure and when this will or has occurred. Upon the revealing and to being destroyed we don’t know the actually timing, but given the context this is not meant to be thousands of years apart, but a shorter event. That my opinion, if you think differently then ok, this is non essential issue, it’s a warning to watch out for figures or groups who preach a false gospel and those who have these characteristics.
The part conveniently ignored is that the apostacy was at work even while the apostles were still alive.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness IS ALREADY AT WORK, but ONLY UNTIL the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way.
The one acting as a RESTRAINT from the apostasy taking full control were the apostles.
One they were out of the way, Satan took over.
Jesus does away with this apostasy when he RETURNS.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will DO AWAY WITH by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of HIS PRESENCE.
In other words, the babel of churches under Satan's control will be exposed with Jesus RESTORING the True Christian Congregation during his presence. Namely, these last days.
No guesswork needed to identify Jesus' True Disciples. Jesus is using them in the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14.
@@tongakhan230 You are absolutely correct! ... except for the part about it being "conveniently ignored". (I just didn't get there yet, :) ) While all of this is very relevant to the teaching left for us, I was being more specific about the verses in 2 Thessalonians 2 through the lens of statement analyses and communication accuracy. What does is say and what does it not say? When the text has "reveal" but someone replaces it with "destroys" in their reading of it; This kind of language is tale that someone is reading into a text rather then conveying the message accurately as to what it is really saying. The words reveal and destroy convey very different ideas. Just think about what the words really say and how they are defined and used and then apply deductive logic to determine the possible implications. The word reveal implies something that is already there but has been hidden. Like a secret. Like a motive. Like a conspiracy. Like a crime. They already exist and are happening you just don't know about it yet. Until it gets revealed.
See the video at 3:15 to see exactly what I am discussing and why am saying what I am saying about it.
So, like you brought up, the heretics where so bad in the first century while the apostles were still alive that Peter declared, "This is how we know it is the final hour." But Paul is talking about a big event with a specific individual. (We know from other text it will be a powerful world leader.) Something like a Roman Emperor taking over the church by calling councils and meddling with doctrine to a degree where it totally departs from the gospel and teachings of Christ. It denies what the Christ taught. This something significant that would have to take place before the Lord returned. No not just your typical apostasy, but rather a Great Apostasy, or falling away / leaving the Scriptures, by a world ruler that would change the world and the church forever.
Anyone familiar with the History of Christianity wouldn't be able to talk about the 4th century without describing all these exact things. But of course the apostates want people to believe it will be something painfully obvious that is yet to come in the future. Thus we get the word usages of "destroy" instead of "reveal". I only notice this kind of subtleties because of my training in emotional and psychological warfare. Which is just a more precise way of describing the biggest aspects of spiritual warfare. The antithesis of truth is deception. Learning how to recognize it when you see it is a gift from above. ... like discerning spirits. As the saying goes, "The devil is in the details." ... and that is what you have to examine closely.
Jesus tells Peter at Matthew 16:18 that the grave will not overpower the Christian Congregation. For that to come true, Jesus' Congregation has to die.
Why is the 'until the one who is acting as a restraint is out of the way' part conveniently ignored?
Firstly, it’s actually not grave but hades. Now I can give you several paragraphs of how that word means that and the NWT changed it again. But think about it again. Death, the grave, the realm of evil, won’t overpower, prevail, have more strength than my church. You are still putting you own interpretation. If someone says, death won’t win over you, then I won’t die. You take it as, I must die, then I’ll be resurrected. So which is it? One Jesus does not use the common word for grave or death, but choses a word meant to signify his death and how he defeated it. He’s taking about himself, he’s the rock, the cornerstone of the church, who overcame and defeated death. It’s built on him, and because he lives and won’t die, it will live and won’t die.
In response to your man of lawlessness, you believe it’s christiandom. Which is still around, and still growing. So it hasn’t been removed, so either everyone including witnesses are all still apostates or witnesses interpretation of this section is incorrect.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Let me answer the first question.
Acts 2:27
KJ21
because Thou wilt not leave my soul in HELL, neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.
ASV
Because thou wilt not leave my soul unto HADES, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption.
CEV
The Lord won't leave me in the GRAVE. I am his holy one, and he won't let my body decay.
Hades = Hell = Grave.
Jesus is indeed the head of the Christian Congregation. However, Jesus' words to Peter was about the CONGREGATION.
If a man boast that "No jail will hold me." He FIRST has to go to jail and then escape to prove it.
Similarly, the Christian Congregation went down to the grave. In other words; it ceased to exist after the death of the apostles.
However, it will be resurrected. And resurrected it has in these last days.
Christendom is a disunited babel of churches, each rocking on a foundation that has no basis in the Bible.
The very fact of it large numbers prove that they are on the road to destruction (Matthew 7:13).
Only a FEW would be on the road to life (Matthew 7:14).
Those are Jesus' words. Not mine.
@@tongakhan230 You have no evidence for the claims you and the Watch Tower have made. You’ve ignore his parables, and now insert meaning when the text doesn’t call for it. Like I said in the video, the GB and founders demote Christ, twist his message, and distort the Gospel, all to put the emphasis on themselves as essential for salvation. I love you buddy but you don’t know Christ. The Jesus you’ve been sold if a false Christ created by false teachers and a fake Christ can not save you from your sin.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : The questions asked were answered. Diverting to a mud slinging tactic is not playing proper cricket.
If I was to ask the question, 'What is God's Kingdom' which will be preached in all the inhabited earth as a WITNESS to all the nations and THEN THE END WILL COME? = Matthew 24:14. And WHO will be fulfilling that prophecy? What would be the answers.
I have no desire to embarrass anyone on Social Media. So ignore it if needed.
@@tongakhan230 Christians. The answer is Christians, who have been preaching across the globe the Kingdom of God and the Gospel message for hundreds of years before JW’s even existed.
Recommended:
"The Apostasy Must Come First " video by Robert King
Anointed JW but ex-wt.
@@davidagnew8792 can't find it.
If he claims to be an anointed one. then this prophecy applies.
(Matthew 24:48) “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’
Here's the real verse about apostasy:
1 Tim 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in _later times_ (like 1870) some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
Great point! The key word is "some". Not all will fall into apostasy.
The trinity is a false teaching
@@scottgrey2877 welcome back brother in humanity. Always you ignore my comment and change the subject. Go ahead tell me what you to say. Try your best to prove the Trinity false. I guarantee you will fail.
@@timd3895 Hebrews 1:8 does not say Jesus is God every time it says God in Hebrews it is the Father O God is the Father
@@scottgrey2877 this is how the Jews translate it from Chabad org. (Keep in mind they hate Jesus) 👇
Psalm 45:7
Your throne, O judge, [will exist] forever and ever; the scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom.
Exact same translation as our Bible except they change the word 'God' to 'Judge' but in the Greek the word is 'o God' as you said.
So are you saying (1) the JW know Hebrew better than the Jews, or (2) that the you cannot see the Father says this _"of the Son?"_
Hebrews 1:8
But _of the Son_ he says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.