For some reason Bobbie's arc really resonated with me. She really believed in the "dream of Mars". Not just having a habitable planet, but conquering an uninhabitable planet and making it habitable through their own work. "Mars will be our garden." Unfortunately she was very much in the minority, and most of her fellow Martians were all too eager to take the easier path when habitable planets became more immediately available, and that dream fizzled out.
It would take centuries for it to leak away though. Plenty of time to periodically replenish the leakage. The important thing is getting it done in the first place!
There's a scene where you can see an aurora borealis on mars. a character says "that's what you get when you make a magnetosphere" or something like that. they've got that part sorted out
Scene looks great, but it's a fantasy. Mars will never look like Earth. Planet is too small, with no global magnetosphere, far form the sun. Any effort to create dense, large atmosphere similar to Earth will be futile. Solar wind constantly acts against it.
@@oldi184 Yea it's a shame but terraforming mars would take more water and frozen gases than in all the comets left in the whole solar system. To be fair though if they did manage to create an earth like atmosphere the loss due to solar wind would take such a long time that we might have figured out how to either create an artificial magnetosphere, or how to jumpstart the planets core.
@@oldi184 Magnetic field is a non issue. In the Expanse it was outright mentioned in (I think) first season. There's no reason why generating an artificial planetary magnetic field would not be possible with fusion power.
@@laszu7137 I see, but Expanse is not a reality. It's a fantasy. You know that right? People sometimes forget what is a reality and what is not. I understand that you just forgot this simple fact. So it's ok. :)
Quite sad... I really liked Mars in The Expanse, with their dedication to progress and creating a brighter future for their planet. They always seemed like the better and more reasonable society, as opposed to neoliberal overpopulated hellhole Earth with billions of people unemployed and poor. Though of course the opening of the ring worlds is for the best overall, as now the previously unemployed Earthers (and of course, the Belters too) may get a chance at a better life.
@@sumasian55 Draper's heads-up display says +100 years, and The Expanse takes place in 2350, so they're saying it will be done in less than 430 years time.
@@Delosian Yeah but the timeline also kept being pushed back because of the cold war between Mars and Earth. I think Bobby said something once about them being promised a terraformed Mars before they would die and then it moved on to their children and grandchildren
Eh, the first planet they tried to inhabit was crazy dangerous, so maybe they should. Besides, they might feel nostalgic or want to pretty up the center of government. The home system will likely remain the powerbase for a while even after the time required to build up industrial bases and population centers on the other worlds.
@@bthsr7113 Heck, they can’t even keep stores in the mall open, and the military is selling dangerous equipment to scoundrels. Unless the momentum changes, the dream is over. Funds to terri form a planet? Not even Elon Musk III will help.
Out of curiosity, just how dense is the current Martian atmosphere at this time? There are smoke stacks in the background, and there's wind strong enough to blow the sand from Bobbie's hand. At the current Martian atmosphere density, none of those would be possible.
Although precise details were never given, its clear that the terraforming project has already started. Look at the beginning of this scene: ruclips.net/video/1lS_WxQ3zeU/видео.html Its first shown modern XXIVth century Mars, with a thicker atmosphere and aurora borealis, but then the scene returns to 137 years earlier, and the atmosphere becomes thinner, no auroras and fewer lights. That clearly shows that the atmosphere is much more dense. The whiteish of the atmosphere also suggests they are filling it with some other gas beside nitrogen, because that would make the atmosphere be blueish. Maybe they are adding CO2 in the atmosphere first to warm the planet. But with this detail its safe to say that the Martian atmosphere in The Expanse is not 0.8% of Earth's atmosphere like today.
they were working on it way before and they already given the planet a magnetic field so yeah they technically can, look how we fucked our planet severely without even trying, imagine haveing factories all over the planet just to make greenhouse gases and buying all of Cérès water and increasing the mass of the planet with minerals from the belt, i say they can do it
Well, we can do it in 50 years if we put our effort in it. Like 80 percent of the resources of earth terraforming mars, it is possible. The first problem that needs to be solved first is, how to give mars it's own gravity and its own atmosphere.
single scene that sum up many lines, have to said the late season doesn't kept the same production value, the scope of the world as the first three sci-fi season, it has downgrade into common action thriller. producer didn't realize he only need to appeal to one audience Jeff bezos, and what Jeff bezos want is defiantly not Amos Ab.
For some reason Bobbie's arc really resonated with me. She really believed in the "dream of Mars". Not just having a habitable planet, but conquering an uninhabitable planet and making it habitable through their own work. "Mars will be our garden." Unfortunately she was very much in the minority, and most of her fellow Martians were all too eager to take the easier path when habitable planets became more immediately available, and that dream fizzled out.
First gotta find a way to prevent the solar winds from blasting away the atmosphere due to the absent magnetic field.
We just close the solar window.
It would take centuries for it to leak away though. Plenty of time to periodically replenish the leakage. The important thing is getting it done in the first place!
There's a scene where you can see an aurora borealis on mars. a character says "that's what you get when you make a magnetosphere" or something like that. they've got that part sorted out
@@nddragoon maybe by introducing charged particles into Mars core by a giant particles accelerator?
Avasarala mentions how they created a magnetosphere. You know, after seeing the aurora.
The dream of Mars...
I love this scene
Scene looks great, but it's a fantasy. Mars will never look like Earth.
Planet is too small, with no global magnetosphere, far form the sun. Any effort to create dense, large atmosphere similar to Earth will be futile. Solar wind constantly acts against it.
@@oldi184 Yea it's a shame but terraforming mars would take more water and frozen gases than in all the comets left in the whole solar system. To be fair though if they did manage to create an earth like atmosphere the loss due to solar wind would take such a long time that we might have figured out how to either create an artificial magnetosphere, or how to jumpstart the planets core.
@@oldi184 Magnetic field is a non issue. In the Expanse it was outright mentioned in (I think) first season. There's no reason why generating an artificial planetary magnetic field would not be possible with fusion power.
@@laszu7137
I see, but Expanse is not a reality. It's a fantasy. You know that right?
People sometimes forget what is a reality and what is not. I understand that you just forgot this simple fact. So it's ok. :)
@@oldi184 What?
Someday
😂😂 never
Bobby Draper hopes that one day Mars become habitable and peacefull, but that dream is chimeric as well... .
Poor Bobby Draper... .
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Sadly, it'll never happen since they abandoned the terraforming effort in favor of colonizing the habitable worlds beyond The Ring.
I mean makes sense, terraforming mars would take at least 1000 years
Quite sad... I really liked Mars in The Expanse, with their dedication to progress and creating a brighter future for their planet.
They always seemed like the better and more reasonable society, as opposed to neoliberal overpopulated hellhole Earth with billions of people unemployed and poor. Though of course the opening of the ring worlds is for the best overall, as now the previously unemployed Earthers (and of course, the Belters too) may get a chance at a better life.
@@sumasian55 Draper's heads-up display says +100 years, and The Expanse takes place in 2350, so they're saying it will be done in less than 430 years time.
@@Delosian Yeah but the timeline also kept being pushed back because of the cold war between Mars and Earth. I think Bobby said something once about them being promised a terraformed Mars before they would die and then it moved on to their children and grandchildren
@@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus fucking trumpist
And with the advent of the Rings... not gonna happen.
Eh, the first planet they tried to inhabit was crazy dangerous, so maybe they should. Besides, they might feel nostalgic or want to pretty up the center of government. The home system will likely remain the powerbase for a while even after the time required to build up industrial bases and population centers on the other worlds.
@@bthsr7113 Heck, they can’t even keep stores in the mall open, and the military is selling dangerous equipment to scoundrels. Unless the momentum changes, the dream is over. Funds to terri form a planet? Not even Elon Musk III will help.
I'm talking long term. Also trying to find time to watch the latest season..
@@bthsr7113 Find it somehow. It’s terrific.
@@LarryKelly The problem is that I don't want to spoil, and I need time alone to do that.
Unfortunately politicians don't have dreams. So chances of this happening is slim. 😒
They have dreams... About power and money.
@@TheJosep70there could be a lot of money in terraforming Mars
Out of curiosity, just how dense is the current Martian atmosphere at this time? There are smoke stacks in the background, and there's wind strong enough to blow the sand from Bobbie's hand. At the current Martian atmosphere density, none of those would be possible.
Although precise details were never given, its clear that the terraforming project has already started. Look at the beginning of this scene: ruclips.net/video/1lS_WxQ3zeU/видео.html
Its first shown modern XXIVth century Mars, with a thicker atmosphere and aurora borealis, but then the scene returns to 137 years earlier, and the atmosphere becomes thinner, no auroras and fewer lights. That clearly shows that the atmosphere is much more dense. The whiteish of the atmosphere also suggests they are filling it with some other gas beside nitrogen, because that would make the atmosphere be blueish. Maybe they are adding CO2 in the atmosphere first to warm the planet. But with this detail its safe to say that the Martian atmosphere in The Expanse is not 0.8% of Earth's atmosphere like today.
I thought the the logo on her suit said UAC
damn bobby never got to see her dream :(
Really? They were confident they could give it oceans and an atmosphere in just a century?
Not sure if I'm missing something but at this stage they've been terraforming Mars for several centuries now
Also says plus 100 years so a rough estimate or like just an optimistic estimate
They're also pushing hard. Aside from their defense spending, their terraforming is probably the single biggest portion of their budget.
they were working on it way before and they already given the planet a magnetic field so yeah they technically can, look how we fucked our planet severely without even trying, imagine haveing factories all over the planet just to make greenhouse gases and buying all of Cérès water and increasing the mass of the planet with minerals from the belt, i say they can do it
Well, we can do it in 50 years if we put our effort in it. Like 80 percent of the resources of earth terraforming mars, it is possible. The first problem that needs to be solved first is, how to give mars it's own gravity and its own atmosphere.
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Which Episode and Season was this ?
Early season 2 no doubt, 1 or 2.
We have a mars 2 beyond the rings it’s a rocky planet fryer than earth 55 percent water oceans smaller
What 😊
Maybe we should worry about keep Earth terraformed :).
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Some gay?
Sunday?
bruh wouldn't the solar wind just push away the atmosphere again
bruh that’d take billions of years
They have a magnetic field.
single scene that sum up many lines, have to said the late season doesn't kept the same production value, the scope of the world as the first three sci-fi season, it has downgrade into common action thriller. producer didn't realize he only need to appeal to one audience Jeff bezos, and what Jeff bezos want is defiantly not Amos Ab.
What's ab mean ?
it will never happen lol
Terraforming is a waste of resources. Mars has just not enough escape speed to hold an atmosphere. Only the most heavy molecules remain, CO2
never will happen