When you spend your whole life living under a dome, even the idea of an ocean seems impossible to imagine. I guess Lopez had no idea what rain tasted like
In the novels, ( I forget where) there is a quip about Epstien, that ( to paraphrase) if one "has a descent enough telescope, you can still see his ass flying out into nothing."
It's been a while since I watched it, but I think there's a similar line in season 1, because I haven't read the books (yet), but I've definitely heard that phrase spoken.
@@brianstiles1701 yeah, I got lazy about quotes. I started that comment thinking The Expanse had a comprehensive wiki/concordance like A Song of Ice and Fire( or just assuming I could find it quickly enough) and then remembered that Franck and Abraham don't have the fandom that Martin does despite their personal and professional connections. Sad. Edit,.. BTW, the books are far superior to the show. This may be one of the better adaptations that is out there but the show really missed the mark in some very key places
"With a good enough scope you can still see epstien's ship, moving at a fraction of C, heading out into the big empty. The biggest longest viking funeral in history." James holden - leviathan wakes
Fun Non-fact: The Expanse has the best opening song of all time. Fringe is a close second. My alarm is “The Ocean” from season 2 when Bobbie… (no spoilers).
9:10 I remmember another setting with a similar story. Humanity had to flee earth after a nuclear war. The went for mars, as the obvious option. But then humanity figured out how to put floating cities into the gas giants. And _then_ humanity figured out FTL travel, making even the floating cities worthless. And mars even more worthless. So it dropped from "humanities only refuge" to "basically a 3rd world nation in space".
let us all cheer together...."Everything for Mars!" smashing job, thanks for this one oh and , well and for your whole channel it is one of my favourites :)
I’ve often wondered if Mars is (quasi)socialist, or if they’re just heavily collectivist without it. Certainly, before the Rings, apparently no-one was unemployed and everyone has a life-purpose, coupled with unending loyalty to the state that fed them. Another nice Expanse video, Ric! I’m glad you’re getting round to them despite their not winning the poll, especially because we don’t have many good online sources akin to Memory Alpha for other sci-fi worlds (like the BSG reboot, or this one).
That alternate universe would have to be one where we invented our technology hundreds of years earlier. There is a reason we arent already on Mars and it isnt because Orion was cancelled. It's because we dont have the technology to do it safely yet, someone should probably tell Elon Musk that...
@@JoannaHammond Yup, the space race boosted a lot of the technology, people don't realize that when they say that the space race was a waste of money but in reality it created a lot of advancements in technology, especially in engineering and computing that then opened a lot of new types of industries and jobs after that. If the space race didn't end like in For All Mankind we probably would've had technology that will be a norm in the 2050-60s.
Thing about Mars is, realistically, we would need to make it a lot more dense than it is for it to have enough gravity to keep an atmosphere from dissipating into space over time. We would also need to make its core molten and magnetic somehow, or else use some kind of machines to replicate a magnetic field to keep cosmic radiation to a minimum. I also seem to recall that Phobos and/or Deimos is slowly leaving the orbit of Mars, but don't quote me on that.
Who’s gonna feast on Earth’s sky And drink their rivers dry? MMC! Who’s gonna stomp their mountains into fine Martian dust? MMC! Till the rains fall hard on Olympus Mons, who are we? MMC! I can’t hear you! MMC! Who are we?! MMC! Martian Marine Corps battlecry
The one thing I couldn't get my head around in the Expanse, is the idea that _such_ a young nation like that on Mars could _so_ easily and rapidly outstrip Earth's technology. I get the better ships part, since Mars has far lower gravity than Earth building bigger more complex ships and getting them off the surface would be far easier - in fact Earth is right on the limit of us even being able to get off the surface and into space due to it's gravitational pull. Just a small percentage larger, and rockets simply wouldn't be enough since they're already around 98% fuel by weight. And I get that there is _far_ more silicon on Mars than Earth - it's one of the planets most abundant resources - so more raw resources for computer development, but there's still one major thing going against the idea of Mars tech advancing _so_ quickly ... time. With a much smaller population of just 100 million or so, even if it were mostly made up of highly technical people - all of the focus of those people for the majority of the time the colony has existed would be on terraforming and providing for the basic survival needs of their population and _not_ on developing high-tech gear and soldiers super-suits... and they simply wouldn't be able to compete with the literal _billions_ of people back on Earth for speed of advancement. Unless, for some reason, Earth's population had stagnated in advancing it's own technology. Like the idea in the show that Mars developed stealth technology first, and once again - for some unknown reason - Earth was unable to develop their own, nor able to simply steal and replicate the Martian technology (you're expecting me to be okay with the tiny Martian military somehow easily being able to defeat the _massive_ Earth military that would exist by this time?? Yeah okay then). I found that incredibly hard to believe.
I would have been happy watching a show about the terraforming of Mars. But the writers are more interested in developing new ideas than building on old ones. Not a bad thing per se, but I found it difficult to constantly get invested in new things.
That simulation at the start is virtually impossible until you provide Mars with a molten iron core to have a protective magnetic field. Besides Venus and our moon, the main reason why life could develop on earth.
@@traktorsajt TBF, BrE uses singular conjugation for collective nouns (as do most of its descendants), it’s only AmE that stipulates plural for mass-nouns. There’s nothing to quibble-over about the second thing though!
Thanks for the video I have never read the books but 1 thing the TV show mostly ignored is physical strength. Without vigorous exercise in simulated 1G the average Martian and Especially Belter, would be far, far weaker than the average person born on Earth itself. While the Martian Marines exercised I doubt the average citizen would go to such extremes and therefore any Earther would overpowered them with ease and a Belter would be even easier to deal with as they mostly live in zero G. But of course this was ignored in the show for the sake of drama, strange when they went to such effort to make many other things realistic.
They mentioned drugs and other treatments such as genetic alterations to increase your baseline muscle mass. They also did have most Martians and Belters be not very good in hand-to-hand (outside of their “gravity class” as it were) when not in their armour. It’s not like we see tons of protracted physical brawls! The closest I can recall is Amos fighting the gangsters on the shuttle to Luna, but they didn’t challenge him at all. Most fights between members of the groups we see are usually quick and decisive, being won by speed or quick-thinking rather than brute strength.
Over the course of 115 years between initial settlement and 100 million inhabitants, I imagine there *had* to be some women who launched while pregnant. I'm wondering what the effects of shuttle launch are on pregnancy. I'd guess that most of the time it would end the pregnancy outright, but surely - given enough attempts - some of the kids would survive. Would shuttlecraft pregnancies (Patent pending, and it's a working title) result in novel mutations or abnormalities? Perhaps the g-forces would cause embryos to split into twins more often...?
The shackles of mankind will not be left behind just because we've broken the bonds of earth's gravity. Humanity is still humanity, for better or worse
Just a minor correction. At 2:56, you say "the head of Mars is the prime minister", what is probably correct. But at 3:09, the grafics says "head of state: prime minister", what can't be correct. The prime minister is the head of the government, and (since Mars has a parlamentary system, it's even is in their name) they are the de facto leader of the state, but the title "prime minister" always carry the separition of the head of the government and the head of the state. So unless martians named their most important civil servant with total disregard of the meaning of those words (what isn't impossible, of course), Mars have to have a powerless, ceremonial president, presidental council, or other kind of head of the state, alongside the prime minister. (Or maybe they don't have one at all... but that just makes the "head of state" non-existent, the pm still doesn't became that.) Altough I haven't read the books, so maybe it's just my inner political scientist, who make me say this. :)
@@RonJohn63 hardly! A lot of people I’ve met think our PM is both. I’ve sometimes asked “so where does the queen fit in?” and they’re like “oh, she’s separate”. Lots of people just DON’T realise she’s the head of state and just passes down the role of head of government to a PM.
I wonder why such a realistic otherwise franchise still overestimates Mars and underestimates how deadly it is? It is needed for narrative reasons? Because realistically Martians would be EXACTLY as weak as Belters (1/3 g gravity on Mars, 1/3 g artificial gravity on most asteroid stations). They would be able to safely live undeground only, their population would be 10-20 times lower, and the terafforming effort would be going 10 times slower. Probably realistically it would never ever get independent though, and authors needed independent Mars for narrative. Or they just bought into current day Mars hype which totally ignores scientific facts
Wow, @01:09. 100 million people, after 125 years of trips? But the average trip is 9 months from Earth to Mars. If we were constantly sending people to Mars, to reach that number would require that each of the ~170 trips we could make in 125 years -- would have 588,235.3 humans per trip. Any number less than half a million souls per trip, means we will not have 100,000,000 people on Mars in that time frame. Ludicrous! How could that number get so high, so quickly? Even if every person landed there was super into orgies and having Catholic #s of children, it barely makes a difference. 170 flights of 10 astronauts gives us 1,700 people on Mars by 2100 (after initial landings in ~2030). I didn't realize the Expanse had such crap world-building.
All that effort and you miss the part where the pre epstien fusion torch drives dropped the trip time to mars to 2.5 months at the shortest out 4 months when the planets weren't in ideal positions. If you're going to make a comment, maybe make sure you know what you're talking about. The books don't describe a colonization effort undertaken with chemical rockets, they use fusion based rocketry that produces lots of speed but eats through fuel too quickly and heats up faster than the waste heat can be dissipated. The novela Drive is about epstien solving those problems
@@haitileblanc3075 You do realize people are still going to need that welfare while they’re building ships and establishing colonies, and that it will take years, or even decades, before those colonies are self sufficient, right?
@@haitileblanc3075 Except the moment you announce that you’re going to be cutting welfare to fund some hair brained mass colonization initiative, the whole planet is going to rise up in revolt out of fear that they’ll be left to starve.
Never cared for the series! I say they should've brutally Put them in their place! but they were weak and didn't have the will to follow thru on any plan, I feel they forgot their purpose! life is never fair, too bad! blame your parents and grandparents, either way they should submit, it's so selfish for the belters to think they are special how? in what way? As spock once said "the good of the many" in other words your grandparents chose their fate so stf accept your fate and stop complaining about it!
When you spend your whole life living under a dome, even the idea of an ocean seems impossible to imagine. I guess Lopez had no idea what rain tasted like
Thanks for this. When the Donnager makes its first appearance with perfect music, and not knowing anything about the MCR I still find it chilling.
Remeber The Donnie!
In the novels, ( I forget where) there is a quip about Epstien, that ( to paraphrase) if one "has a descent enough telescope, you can still see his ass flying out into nothing."
It's been a while since I watched it, but I think there's a similar line in season 1, because I haven't read the books (yet), but I've definitely heard that phrase spoken.
@@brianstiles1701 yeah, I got lazy about quotes. I started that comment thinking The Expanse had a comprehensive wiki/concordance like A Song of Ice and Fire( or just assuming I could find it quickly enough) and then remembered that Franck and Abraham don't have the fandom that Martin does despite their personal and professional connections. Sad.
Edit,.. BTW, the books are far superior to the show. This may be one of the better adaptations that is out there but the show really missed the mark in some very key places
"With a good enough scope you can still see epstien's ship, moving at a fraction of C, heading out into the big empty. The biggest longest viking funeral in history."
James holden - leviathan wakes
Fun Non-fact: The Expanse has the best opening song of all time. Fringe is a close second.
My alarm is “The Ocean” from season 2 when Bobbie… (no spoilers).
That song came up in my spotify and got me to watch the show
I'm glad you're getting into the Expanse universe. That show is easily the pinnacle of space opera sci fi.
It's kinda.......................relatable? Apart from the propulsion it all seems somewhat............possible?
You do realize this will make me want to watch it all over again (and again).
9:10 I remmember another setting with a similar story.
Humanity had to flee earth after a nuclear war. The went for mars, as the obvious option.
But then humanity figured out how to put floating cities into the gas giants.
And _then_ humanity figured out FTL travel, making even the floating cities worthless. And mars even more worthless.
So it dropped from "humanities only refuge" to "basically a 3rd world nation in space".
I want this book.
@@spartainwarrior6445 Not a book, a minor part of a TTRPG setting. But it only exists in German thus far. Name is "NOVA".
I remember the Cant !
Finally more expanse content. The single greatest sci-fi series ever created
Finally Dude to Speak about The Awesome The Expanse.....
Everyone's gangsta till the armoured sentient terminator crab gets released.
Damn My chemical Romance got so popular they named a government after them
Beltalowda gotta respect the Martians, they make good ships.
And guns, Ashford's ship, the Tynan was famous for having the best guns in the belt when he outfitted her with Martian made PDCs
let us all cheer together...."Everything for Mars!" smashing job, thanks for this one oh and , well and for your whole channel it is one of my favourites :)
Never realised how much I needed this vidoe
Hey Rick, Rick here. Thoroughly enjoying the videos, keep them coming. They are well documented.
the expanse is an amazing piece of sci-fi. I'd love to see more stuff by you on it!!!!
Looking forward to an episode on Laconia some time in the future.
The latest books took this story line to the next level
Criminally underated and under viewed series that was ended far too soon , remember the cant !
I started playing Star Trek online. Thank you for showing me that game
I’ve often wondered if Mars is (quasi)socialist, or if they’re just heavily collectivist without it. Certainly, before the Rings, apparently no-one was unemployed and everyone has a life-purpose, coupled with unending loyalty to the state that fed them.
Another nice Expanse video, Ric! I’m glad you’re getting round to them despite their not winning the poll, especially because we don’t have many good online sources akin to Memory Alpha for other sci-fi worlds (like the BSG reboot, or this one).
Earth is Europe, Mars is the USA, and the belt is the third world.
Forgot to mention how Texans were a majority of the settlers, that's why Alex is the way he is.
To think that in an alternative universe, we could be living on Mars as early as the 1990s!
For All Mankind ?
@@tabxtra7057 I was going to say that as well :D
That alternate universe would have to be one where we invented our technology hundreds of years earlier.
There is a reason we arent already on Mars and it isnt because Orion was cancelled. It's because we dont have the technology to do it safely yet, someone should probably tell Elon Musk that...
@@bipolarminddroppings The real reason is the US won the race and just quit. In For All Mankind they lost and kept trying.
@@JoannaHammond Yup, the space race boosted a lot of the technology, people don't realize that when they say that the space race was a waste of money but in reality it created a lot of advancements in technology, especially in engineering and computing that then opened a lot of new types of industries and jobs after that. If the space race didn't end like in For All Mankind we probably would've had technology that will be a norm in the 2050-60s.
Thing about Mars is, realistically, we would need to make it a lot more dense than it is for it to have enough gravity to keep an atmosphere from dissipating into space over time. We would also need to make its core molten and magnetic somehow, or else use some kind of machines to replicate a magnetic field to keep cosmic radiation to a minimum.
I also seem to recall that Phobos and/or Deimos is slowly leaving the orbit of Mars, but don't quote me on that.
It might just be me, but the MCRN logo kinda looks like it says MORN which, as a fan of DS9, always amused me
Thumbs up for the topic. I'll watch it the video later :)
I miss the Cultural Index...
Who’s gonna feast on Earth’s sky
And drink their rivers dry?
MMC!
Who’s gonna stomp their mountains into fine Martian dust?
MMC!
Till the rains fall hard on Olympus Mons, who are we?
MMC!
I can’t hear you!
MMC!
Who are we?!
MMC!
Martian Marine Corps battlecry
Yes! Anything Expanse! More! :)
The one thing I couldn't get my head around in the Expanse, is the idea that _such_ a young nation like that on Mars could _so_ easily and rapidly outstrip Earth's technology. I get the better ships part, since Mars has far lower gravity than Earth building bigger more complex ships and getting them off the surface would be far easier - in fact Earth is right on the limit of us even being able to get off the surface and into space due to it's gravitational pull. Just a small percentage larger, and rockets simply wouldn't be enough since they're already around 98% fuel by weight. And I get that there is _far_ more silicon on Mars than Earth - it's one of the planets most abundant resources - so more raw resources for computer development, but there's still one major thing going against the idea of Mars tech advancing _so_ quickly ... time. With a much smaller population of just 100 million or so, even if it were mostly made up of highly technical people - all of the focus of those people for the majority of the time the colony has existed would be on terraforming and providing for the basic survival needs of their population and _not_ on developing high-tech gear and soldiers super-suits... and they simply wouldn't be able to compete with the literal _billions_ of people back on Earth for speed of advancement. Unless, for some reason, Earth's population had stagnated in advancing it's own technology. Like the idea in the show that Mars developed stealth technology first, and once again - for some unknown reason - Earth was unable to develop their own, nor able to simply steal and replicate the Martian technology (you're expecting me to be okay with the tiny Martian military somehow easily being able to defeat the _massive_ Earth military that would exist by this time?? Yeah okay then). I found that incredibly hard to believe.
I hated what happened to Mars, with some people abandoning the idea of terraforming it.
You could see in the later seasons how things changed.
I would have been happy watching a show about the terraforming of Mars. But the writers are more interested in developing new ideas than building on old ones. Not a bad thing per se, but I found it difficult to constantly get invested in new things.
Why terraform when there are earthlike planet
@@fastnetcyber3979 Why not make more Earth like planets?
@@fastnetcyber3979 Because Earth kinda sucks. Polluted seas, overpopulation, cities all over the place. Then the ring gate happened....
What about the Borg Cooperative? Its been around 4 years since you did the Borg Collective.
Yes! Thank you for this video. lol. Appreciate it.
Can't wait to see My Chemical Romance next month.
Can you do the SDF and SATO factions of CoD infinite warfare next?
That simulation at the start is virtually impossible until you provide Mars with a molten iron core to have a protective magnetic field. Besides Venus and our moon, the main reason why life could develop on earth.
My favorite faction.
I always found it funny that the expanse and warhammer had mars building power armour
The dusters and skinnies needs to learn there place
"need" and "their". To sasa English ke, Earther?
@@traktorsajt TBF, BrE uses singular conjugation for collective nouns (as do most of its descendants), it’s only AmE that stipulates plural for mass-nouns.
There’s nothing to quibble-over about the second thing though!
Please make a video about the Laconian Empire.
More Expanse videos if you please.
Thanks for the video
I have never read the books but 1 thing the TV show mostly ignored is physical strength. Without vigorous exercise in simulated 1G the average Martian and Especially Belter, would be far, far weaker than the average person born on Earth itself. While the Martian Marines exercised I doubt the average citizen would go to such extremes and therefore any Earther would overpowered them with ease and a Belter would be even easier to deal with as they mostly live in zero G.
But of course this was ignored in the show for the sake of drama, strange when they went to such effort to make many other things realistic.
They mentioned drugs and other treatments such as genetic alterations to increase your baseline muscle mass.
They also did have most Martians and Belters be not very good in hand-to-hand (outside of their “gravity class” as it were) when not in their armour. It’s not like we see tons of protracted physical brawls! The closest I can recall is Amos fighting the gangsters on the shuttle to Luna, but they didn’t challenge him at all. Most fights between members of the groups we see are usually quick and decisive, being won by speed or quick-thinking rather than brute strength.
Geonosians next, then the Votan races from Defiance!!!!!
The marvellous military might of Mars?
It's like they take after some sort of Roman war god. 🤔
Needs more pictures of that warrior goddess Bobby Draper/Frankie Adams in the skin tight undersuit.
Over the course of 115 years between initial settlement and 100 million inhabitants, I imagine there *had* to be some women who launched while pregnant. I'm wondering what the effects of shuttle launch are on pregnancy. I'd guess that most of the time it would end the pregnancy outright, but surely - given enough attempts - some of the kids would survive. Would shuttlecraft pregnancies (Patent pending, and it's a working title) result in novel mutations or abnormalities? Perhaps the g-forces would cause embryos to split into twins more often...?
Can you do an index on the Silurians from Doctor Who?
The shackles of mankind will not be left behind just because we've broken the bonds of earth's gravity. Humanity is still humanity, for better or worse
Just a minor correction. At 2:56, you say "the head of Mars is the prime minister", what is probably correct. But at 3:09, the grafics says "head of state: prime minister", what can't be correct. The prime minister is the head of the government, and (since Mars has a parlamentary system, it's even is in their name) they are the de facto leader of the state, but the title "prime minister" always carry the separition of the head of the government and the head of the state. So unless martians named their most important civil servant with total disregard of the meaning of those words (what isn't impossible, of course), Mars have to have a powerless, ceremonial president, presidental council, or other kind of head of the state, alongside the prime minister. (Or maybe they don't have one at all... but that just makes the "head of state" non-existent, the pm still doesn't became that.)
Altough I haven't read the books, so maybe it's just my inner political scientist, who make me say this. :)
You'd think a Brit would know the difference between the head of state and head of government.
@@RonJohn63 hardly! A lot of people I’ve met think our PM is both. I’ve sometimes asked “so where does the queen fit in?” and they’re like “oh, she’s separate”. Lots of people just DON’T realise she’s the head of state and just passes down the role of head of government to a PM.
was the most advance ship until the UNN ZENOBIA
Hell yeah I love My Chemical Romance
Make more expanse content !!!!
Movie name?
is this a Star Trek I don't recognize any of this
yay the expanse. I love me some well-executed *true* hard scifi
Love the video, but please.... PLEASE... learn how to properly use the word " Myriad".....
Waiiiiit, this isn’t My Chemical Romance 😅
yussss
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I wonder why such a realistic otherwise franchise still overestimates Mars and underestimates how deadly it is? It is needed for narrative reasons? Because realistically Martians would be EXACTLY as weak as Belters (1/3 g gravity on Mars, 1/3 g artificial gravity on most asteroid stations). They would be able to safely live undeground only, their population would be 10-20 times lower, and the terafforming effort would be going 10 times slower. Probably realistically it would never ever get independent though, and authors needed independent Mars for narrative. Or they just bought into current day Mars hype which totally ignores scientific facts
"Epstein Drive" turned out to be reeeaaally unfortunately named LOL
Yep! I got the impression they wanted something close (but not too close) to Einstein, but…….
🙂👍
:)
So this is what Musk wants.
For new world I will use the pounds or dollars for name of money new name
Wow, @01:09. 100 million people, after 125 years of trips? But the average trip is 9 months from Earth to Mars. If we were constantly sending people to Mars, to reach that number would require that each of the ~170 trips we could make in 125 years -- would have 588,235.3 humans per trip. Any number less than half a million souls per trip, means we will not have 100,000,000 people on Mars in that time frame. Ludicrous! How could that number get so high, so quickly? Even if every person landed there was super into orgies and having Catholic #s of children, it barely makes a difference. 170 flights of 10 astronauts gives us 1,700 people on Mars by 2100 (after initial landings in ~2030). I didn't realize the Expanse had such crap world-building.
Did u have a stroke while typing this?
All that effort and you miss the part where the pre epstien fusion torch drives dropped the trip time to mars to 2.5 months at the shortest out 4 months when the planets weren't in ideal positions. If you're going to make a comment, maybe make sure you know what you're talking about. The books don't describe a colonization effort undertaken with chemical rockets, they use fusion based rocketry that produces lots of speed but eats through fuel too quickly and heats up faster than the waste heat can be dissipated. The novela Drive is about epstien solving those problems
The Martian economy is in trouble as well before the events of the series. They have a severe labour shortage.
1st
emo
Who is emo?!
@@nicktechnubyte1184 It’s a joke because the initials MCR mean something different
@@professorpigeon6517 oh, I get it
Just looked them up
Good show but the politics are ridiculous. Earth is overpopulated so let earthers populate the ring world and belt
Who’s going to fund and administrate those colonies? Who’s going to supply them while they set up subsistence industries?
@@addisonwelsh most of the earth 🌍 is on welfare so use that cost
@@haitileblanc3075 You do realize people are still going to need that welfare while they’re building ships and establishing colonies, and that it will take years, or even decades, before those colonies are self sufficient, right?
@@addisonwelsh better to throw money with a goal in mind then to throw it in the garbage every day. 33 billion people is not sustainable
@@haitileblanc3075 Except the moment you announce that you’re going to be cutting welfare to fund some hair brained mass colonization initiative, the whole planet is going to rise up in revolt out of fear that they’ll be left to starve.
Never cared for the series! I say they should've brutally Put them in their place! but they were weak and didn't have the will to follow thru on any plan, I feel they forgot their purpose! life is never fair, too bad! blame your parents and grandparents, either way they should submit, it's so selfish for the belters to think they are special how? in what way? As spock once said "the good of the many" in other words your grandparents chose their fate so stf accept your fate and stop complaining about it!