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Why I Like Suppressors On Home Defense Guns (Sunday Gear Review)
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2022
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Great video John. They seriously need to be taken off the NFA list so that every lawful person can use them and not blow out theirs or any bystander's ears out.
Amen!
Exactly!!
Disband ATF, repeal NFA.
@@dragonballjiujitsu Agree. Suppressors on the NFA is stupid.. There needs to be a process in place to ensure homicidal maniacs don't have access to firearms. Laws don't seem to work as we see.
That would be common-sense gun-control reform I could support. Even if it requires negotiated compromise (such as removing SBS & SBR but leaving auto for now) - just asking for minor common-sense first steps. These are problems we can resolve.
This old man who later turned out to be a WWII vet defended his home and his grandchildren with his rifle against more than 1 bad guy. When cops showed up and ordered him to put down the rifle, the vet COULD NOT hear the them, so cops shot and killed him. There is a video of this. Sadest thing I ever saw.
Can you link it here please?
Can you link this?! This would be great to show politicians on both sides why they need to pass the hearing protection act
yes please provide a link
That’s the longest suppressor I’ve ever seen.
“Pay the crown” lol…. Good video.
Had an internet friend who lived in Ireland, he was a hunter and the government required him to use a suppressor. Illegal here but mandatory in Ireland.
This is a very sound argument as to why suppressors (and the entire NFA in general) should be abolished.
I don't know if that pun was intentional but it hurt my soul!
@@JK-pt5kq No pun intended! Lol...sorry
@@The_Ghost923 - My first reaction as well!
I think you need at least a suppressor twice as long on a pcc like that. I've found that any where from 64-72 inches is the perfect length
69” I’ve found is ideal
Can't miss your target if the weapon is literally touching it...
That is the longest Can I've seen in my life 😂🤣
Running suppressed MP5 with subsonic JHP for home defense
Alot of great info in this video! Thanks John! You run the best channels on RUclips!
Sorry, but second best behind four boxes diner. In my not so humble opinion.
Greatly appreciate this channel and watch every video, but the other focuses on legal issues - really holding my attention.
@@finngamesknudson1457 cool. I'll have to check that channel out!
Jeebus, is that a suppressor on your gun or are you just happy to see an intruder?
That naughty look after the 147 gr hst's. Priceless! Stay safe friends. Peaceloveandfishing
I think ASP's take on this is more grounded and well reasoned. Then again, it's not difficult to refute "I want a fire-breathing dragon." 😐
Dragon's Breath out of a Mossberg Shockwave. The police and the fire department will both have to respond.
If dragon respects family and doesn’t eat us or other pets, sounds like great idea. We’ve had fish, snakes, parrots, chickens, geese, dogs and cats - so dragon would add some nice variety.
I'd love to have some suppressors. For me, between the cost and the NFA I'm probably not going to though. Good information, specifically the part about the consideration for family members.
Personally, I dont want Law Enforcement to show up until I as the person who is engaged with the suspect makes that decision. I dont need them showing up as im clearing my house only to have them make entry and possibly get shot. Also, unless you are in apartment no one is going to hear a single shot. If you start getting into a gunfight that will wake them up but at that point, the only thing the police can do is help with the clean-up. Finally, you are damaging a critical sense that can/will help in the future to detect threats. I keep a set of Peltors on my patrol rifle around the barrel and can throw them on when I grab the rifle.
the cops usually dont have the response time to show up that quick even when shots are fired in self defense there are plenty of cases where it took them 15-30 minutes to show up to a home invasion where the intruder was shot, second from a tactical perspective its smarter to have a plan with your family to hold up in one spot in the house with a firearm and wait for police to show up instead of trying to clear the house by yourself that just puts you at a disadvantage thirdly you may not have the time to grab your rifle with your peltors or it may be in another room entirely. everyone has this grandious plan on how they will defend there house truth of the matter is its all bullshit and will most likely fall apart your not gonna be able to throw a whole rig on most cases your gonna get caught with your pants around your ankles if you understand what i mean as john has said in his videos before its not all bout having a plan for when stuff goes down its being prepared and having your tools on you for when shit goes down those are two very different things
@@Python_John I agree, a great plan is a must and it's something to strive for but reality sure doesn't allow us to suit up like Iron Man
Another good informational video.
On the carbine stuff, one thing, 300 blk subsonic.
Much quieter but you're also just shooting pointy 45acp at that point
@@mr.browning7.624 I would say a suppressed 45acp would also be a good choice for home defense.
The advantage 300 blk has is you can change ammo based on the current use of the gun. If used as a truck gun, run hard fast stuff. At home, don't want to wake the neighbors.
Great video, I love my AR 9mm pistol suppressed for home defense. Running lax ammunition 147gr at 920fps. No hearing protection needed.
Something you mentioned that I think you should talk about more for those who don't know, is the NFA trust. I have one myself, and you obviously do, too. I think that's something that more people should know about.
Trying to flex on us with that long suppressor on an MP5. lol 😝
I agree. If I am a victim of a home invasion or such, though I’d be willing to sacrifice much to defend myself, I want to minimize the negative impact an evil-do’er would have on my and my loved ones lives as much as possible, and hearing is important to me. I would like to have a suppressor on my HD gun. I imagine it may also may keep I and the family’s stress levels down more than it would having loud gunfire going off in the home
Been waiting 1 year 2 weeks and 4 days for my paper form 4 to come back... yes it does suck. It's complete bullshit.
100% agree. At the point I'm using deadly force against an intruder, making noise so someone calls for help isn't real high on my list of things to accomplish. I'd rather the police be rolling to a gunfight that's over than to a gunfight in progress.
And I'm a big fan of being able to hear.
But that's me.
I don’t disagree but my issue is more suppressors can cause a lot of issues depending on set up / specs. And paying to basically register my guns with the fed government.
Honestly if I have to use a firearm hearing is the lowest priority, I want everyone to hear that like the voice of god.
I plan on ultimately using an hk sp5 suppressed with subsonic 147gr. People often overlook how gunshots inside a home can be very dangerous to you and everyone inside.
Currently living in Newyorkistan -- I wish I had your problems with NFA devices ...
I do think suppressors are great in many scenarios. Cost, Gov NFA and added length are drawbacks.
“Fuck your hearing, fuck your ability to hear movements in the house or communicate to police when they come. Be a dragon.”
🙄🙄
If your looking into a suppressor for home defense the #1 factor you should be looking for is one that is as light as possible. Especially for using with a ar 15 you do not want a heavy can. Get as close to 10 ounces as you can and you'll thank me.
If you’re holding the rifle long enough for weight to be an issue in an HD scenario you’re probably porked anyway, no? I can see length being a primary factor, and especially noise reduction, though.
@@ToastbackWhale - Weight and length conspire to impact “quickness” with firearm. For those of us who don’t exercise enough, fatigue can set in quick - I know my pistol was getting very heavy by end of the last class I took.
If you capture home invader/burglar without shooting them, you’ve pretty much got a best case outcome. Given police response times in many places - holding them at gunpoint could make an AR grow rather heavy.
Thats a long suppressor on the SP5. looks good.
Yes, before watching this I was thinking about the WPS perspective…lol. Excellent points all around.
didn't even consider the sound my family would hear, wow... awesome advice man, hope i see you down there at c2
Maybe one day!
I'm sold . Suppressors good .
I have the poor people suppressor - a $2 waterproof case of 33dB reduction earplugs :P
Haha amen.
Props to keeping your eyes open with all that camera lighting !! 😶😜
I am sold. Such a difference. Where it not for the cost, I´d be all in. Your muffs look slim, can you get a good cheek weld? Ask b/c with low set scope on hunting rifle, it is a problem with ones I have now. Thanks for the vid.
Putting restrictions on suppressors is like restricting seat belts, bike helmets, and balcony guardrails - it's absurd. In Poland (like most of the world, they are unregulated and I can buy a decent 9mm pistol suppressor or AR 223 suppressor for about US$200 - the cost of the tax stamp back home in the US.
The default for every firearm should be 'with a suppressor,' and then remove it/don't have it when it's impractical (e.g. carrying concealed, blackpowder/muzzleloading). Most hunting, target shooting, plinking, and competition would be far better for everyone with suppressors.
I totally agree.
Alright he went from irons to dot now has a can… How long till John has NODs and body armor lmao love it 😍
Dude NODs are stupid expensive!!!
@@ASPextra just got my first Carson Pvs14 WP for $3200 but man it’s worth it’s weight in gold I’m in love with it. Shooting aside even just going hiking at night is awesome.
Sad that an 8 month wait is a short wait for paper file
Amen.
I’d rather have a suppressor than have to keep electronic muffs by my bed which I do now.
I do both, a set of muffs bedside and a suppressed .300 BO with a bright as hell light and great optic.
Personally, I like integral suppressors. Having it built into the barrel means less shit hanging off of the end.
Sure. I also like money. :)
I’ve trained with John Lovell & while he is a phenomenal shooter, he is dead wrong on suppressors for home defense... he talked about neighbors hearing to call 911, but I live in the country where shots mean nothing...
My greatest disappointment with Trump was the failure to get the HPA passed. 😥😥😥😥😥😥
And the Sporting Rifles Act.
And banning bump stock.
And advocating for Red Flag Laws
Trump failed on every 2A Issue.
@@PanzergrenadierProductions in my lifetime the United States has had ZERO pro 2A administrations; including Ronald.
I usually respect what Lovell has to say, but his stance on cans for home defense is one of the most retarded things I’ve ever heard.
@@PanzergrenadierProductions it's almost like people pretend trump was pro-2a lol
@@andrewcramer7214 And when you call those morons on it, they go “But but he didn’t actually do anything but bump stocks. 4D chess, or some shit”
My First 9mm suppressor took 15 months I finally got it this past march. I’m still waiting on a 556 can that i ordered last year. I’m at the 12 month mark on that one.
I know a guy that makes them for his tools at home just like them 80% tool's and no registration at all cause they are only prop's 😉😉
It's none of the government's business what he does or doesn't own.
@@bwofficial1776 right and they work as good as this hundred or thousands of dollar one's lol 😆 😂
When they tell you that control is about safety, I tell them about suppressors. If it were about safety I would not have to pay a $200 tax for the privilege of protecting my hearing should I need to defend myself and my loved ones.
Suppressors are wonderful, but since they're still legal, pcc's(pistol caliber carbines) can be purchased or made with a 4-6 inch barrel on them. Please consider a room clearing video with your setup, it will show the difficulties in extreme length long guns.
(1) it’s not longer than a carbine. (2) why are you room cleaning as a private citizen?
@@ASPextra #2 is a good point but as a father I see several scenarios to need to room clear especially depending on the layout of the house. Or even coming home to your door kicked in and your family inside, but you would be clearing with your CCW at that point not your carbine.
But yeah a lot of bachelors think they should clear their home instead of locking down the bedroom and calling the police and I don't agree with that!
No, if your child is screaming, you will NOT be CQB room clearing. You will RUN to the problem room and deal with it I promise.
If you come home and find your door kicked in, if your family is not there, DO NOT ENTER THAT HOME. Retreat and call 911. If your family is in there, RUN in there and solve the problems you find, which is not CQB. If you are coming from outside your home you will not have your carbine.
@@ASPextra I should clarify because I agree with you on all counts. But if I hear intruders in my house im grabbing my AR pistol and getting between my entry points and my children, which to be fair isn't "room" but having a shorter more compact and lighter package aids in all home defense scenarios in my head.
If my kid is screaming I obviously won't have time to grab a damn thing but hopefully my wife can if needed.
I would never enter the home unless my family was in there no doubt and I made those points in my initial comment.
I appreciate all you do thanks!
ETA: i just watched your "Thinking About Your Home Defense Mission" And it was very insightful. And not that you need to make a video for me but i would love if we got a John video of the do's and don'ts of home defense, what situations we should be prepared for, vs what situations are nothing more than unsubstantiated fears.
I really appreciate your approach to topics like this and i think your video would have much more value to someone like me than some of the let's say "tacticool bros" that just go over one-man room clearing and the like.
@@ASPextra A trick is to keep a $10 bill on the counter or table near your point of entry. If that bill is missing, do not enter. No thief can resist picking up a loose tenner. Worked for a friend who came home from vacation to see bill was gone. Thieves had entered through a broken side window, and were caught trying to exit from same window with TV a couple of days earlier. Keyed-both-sides deadbolts do work as intended.
And when they repeal the NFA, I’ll buy 12 lol
Buy them now. Normalize the use of suppressed small arms. You’re giving them what they want.
How many home defense videos have you seen where a suppressor was used in defense?
None so far!
It always amuses me when I hear people talk about using their 10.5" 556 gun for home defense. With no suppressor. Good luck with your ears working after firing that in a hallway. Obviously better then dying, but Jesus make sure you have a can or ear pro. Or just stick to a pistol caliber.
People with a 10.5 normally suck, less than that is just a waist of powder.
The length of that suppressor reminds me of grandpa's 32" shotgun.
John are you overcompensating with those suppressors? 🤔. Just kidding. Great video!
Totally agree suppressor for home defense a rubber wipe should help a little more on sound wipe will last about two 30 round clips probably a little less can’t wait to try my wolf man on my stribog sp9a3 😱🤯
Stribogs don't use clips, they use magazines. 30 round clips only exist in politicians' bad dreams.
Can't use wipes with hollow points, keep that in mind.
I’m still waiting on 2 cans, bought back in July/August. Will be my 3rd and 4th cans, takes forever for them to get approved 😔🤦♂️ laws are ridiculous for these things
Besides the fact i am not allowed to own due to state i live but. I like the bang of unsupressed to help scare the poop out of an intruder. Also dont need to make the barrel longer for in-house use. Just hope never to be put in any scenario where i have to pull any firearm for protection. But do whatever works for you.
Ever heard a suppressed AR in 556? I don’t think you have to worry about people not hearing. Had someone running a 16” (don’t know 223 or 556) next to me - almost painfully loud for me despite using both plugs and muffs.
I have a pistol in 556 with a much shorter suppressor - overall length very similar to standard 16” AR, maybe shorter. Suits me and easily fits everyone in our household including the one with T-Rex arms :).
@@finngamesknudson1457 its not about it not being heard its the obnoxiously loud report that for me would be beneficial. But everyone use what they want
Lol wanting intruders to “hear” is just your excuse for having to live in a state that doesn’t allow it. You more then likely never heard a suppressed gun up close and in person because 556/.223 still has a sonic crack.
@@noneyafuckingbuisness2456 could be but loud noises are scary. I want intruders scared they poop their pants. JMHO. You do you
How do you think shotguns and suppressors fit together for home defense, if at all? Do they have over-pressure too?
I am waiting for an adapter piece for my shotgun suppressor to make that video. It’s inbound, so soon!!
Got the bunny ears on
Suppressor gas is not a negative of all suppressors, because there are many suppressors with zero back pressure. Such as flowthrough designs. Don’t like back gas? You don’t have to eat it
Any concerns on the penetration with the subsonic?
Not HSTs. They're designed to be subsonic and expand.
I think my lone argument is in a self defense shooting with a can on,not only do you lose said firearm,you lose an extra thousand plus with the can an no telling if or when you see it back.Then whats the ramifications if you never see that back?is that gonna deny every form 4 after?
Won’t deny a thing. And it will have done it’s job in protecting you.
Only reason this would result in denial of future form fours is if it was a bad shoot - as in you are now a convicted felon and can no longer possess guns on which to mount the suppressors you also not allowed to possess.
That’s on you. Watch more of this channel and several others, spend time thinking through scenarios and ramifications of possible responses until you are confident you will be able to properly protect for follow up fight (legal). Also get legal coverage, it is very cheap compared to risks you bear.
As for losing gear into “evidence”, those cost less than first day with your lawyer. I was happy with how my Subaru performed in rollover, ‘she’ gave her life protecting me and while I did not like losing my car, she’d done her job.
C2 tactical is one of the absolute best gun ranges on this planet
It really is. Great place with great people.
You mentioned an NFA Trust as allowing people to possess items on your NFA list... What's an NFA Trust and how do you set one up?
See a lawyer admitted in your state. The trust can be a regular estate planning trust, it just need some special language.
I did a John’s Briefs recently on NFA Trusts with the lawyer who did mine. ruclips.net/video/sXWiUy6cpuo/видео.html
Me, too, but I live in CA soooooo
Long suppressor is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
But did you see what it did?!?!
Heck no. This thing is actually still super maneuverable. Also, you do not do CQB as a private citizen. ruclips.net/video/9PfrGsa_uyI/видео.html
@@ASPextra That's a nice accent wall color lol brightens up the room, still easy on the eyes.
Love your videos, and well thought out options. However I think the advantages of NOT having a suppressor on a home defense gun outweigh the advantages.
While a suppressor will certainly help with hearing protection and possible concussive TBI, a suppressor will make the gun more unwieldy, less maneuverable, and remove the advantage of the psychological effect of shots fired on the bad guy.
SAMHIT (Small Arms Mediated Human Incapacitation Theory) holds that there are only 3 ways that a human is immediately incapacitated: a CNS hit, debilitating pain, and lastly psychological incapacitation.
Immediate incapacitation is the main thing we look for in a shooting - as you know, having the bad guy shot, and then able to still act for several seconds or minutes is not optimum.
So for Immediate Incapacitation, a CNS shot is obviously preferred. But as you know, CNS shots maybe only occur maybe less than 5-10% of shootings.
Debilitating pain is possible, but unreliable and unpredictable. In addition, cannot be “designed” into a bullet.
This leaves psychological incapacitation as the main reason for immediate incapacitation. The majority of humans that are immediately incapacitated by a gunshot are due to psychological reasons.
Fortunately, we can increase the psychological impact of gunshots. Primarily, the ways to do this are by: the loud sound of gunfire, the perceived impact of the shot, and the visible flash of the shot.
So actually, the better way to defend in a home situation would be to increase the sound, heighten the flash, and increase concussive blast.
This is obviously for a civilian, defense situation, as a military application would have different requirements.
So perhaps a flash can, throwing more sound and flash forward, since presumably you will be pointing roughly at them. To extent they reduce blast at your ears, that helps too.
@@finngamesknudson1457 Yes. That would be a great solution as well.
Interesting--John Lovell's "No Silencers" video comes up as a suggested video. But I never did agree with him on that. That said, I don't have a suppressor (but I do keep electronic earmuffs in the safe room).
Silencers are one thing, but that's a baseball bat!
I mean, if I run out of ammo I can use it as a club!
@@ASPextra HAHA!
I wish I had a QD type suppressor for my G19. The only reasons why I don't put a suppressor on it at night is that I am worried about damaging the M13.5x1LH thread on my barrel with repeated attachment/detachment and I don't want molly grease on my pillows. At this stage I only have a EDC gun as firearm licencing is a slow and painful process however suppressors are completely unregulated as it should be for safety equipment.
I do carry suppressed when riding out in the bush if I suspect feral/poaching hunting dogs are around as we have had attacks before. Having a horse flip over and land on you from a dog attack is just as likely as firing unsuppressed from the saddle.
Don’t suppressors have an impact on your accuracy and range?
They shift point of impact but do not degrade either accuracy or range.
I've actually seen instances where supressors improve accuracy at long range. I think the basic science behind it has something to do with the gases being expelled from the rifle when it fires, doesn't make much difference at shorter distances but at extreme ranges can improve groupings.
2:30 Yes agreed. But the *bigger* reason, why silencer's need to be un-regulated, is *oil filters* achieve the same effect.
On .22LRs they last almost forever and silence VERY well compared to regulars (what they lack in baffles they make up in volume).
On 5,56 or 7,62x39 they still last a mag or two, and have decent suppression.
John, I recommend in your next class bring an oil filter and pretend attaching it on a gun, to make the NFA point + it is optional to simulate the act of attachment like one would insinuate the act of coitus using his two hands👌👈 for extra comedic effect, teasing to the students you're "on the edge" of breaking the law😏 but not quite (with a cheesy grin it might be hilarious, or result in you immediate arrest - only one way to find out. Don't worry, tell them you're a pastor and they'll prob let you go🙏)
Polenar Tactical using Oil Filter on a 10,5" AR: ruclips.net/video/iHJJHrscmBQ/видео.html
Best wishes from Czech republic 👍
In this country he’d be safer saying he’d been shoplifting to feed his babies - gets more respect from most DA’s. Though maybe not in the Bible Belt, including where I live.
@@finngamesknudson1457 Hmm, I don't see the relation between what you said and what I typed above?
@@foxtrotunit1269 - Sorry looking back I see the confusion.... I was referring to “tell them you are a pastor.” In much of this country, religious authority is viewed negatively (believe me, I grew up in California thinking church and belief in god was a historical thing and didn’t really exist any more!). Somehow I ended up in Texas married to a wonderful and devote woman who makes my life a constant joy. Couldn’t imagine living on either coast at this point - it’s tough enough having to visit!
@@finngamesknudson1457 I see, I understand. Sad...
What are your thoughts on fully automatic or select fire firearms, John?
Man those are some long suppressors lol maybe consider some k cans
Is this a Halloween. Video ?
What? Mine took 14 months!
Man, that sucks!
that’s the longest suppressor i’ve ever seen!
A shade under 12"
@@ASPextra ah, gotcha. camera adds 10 baffles i guess.
Best chanel ✌🏻
Holy long ass suppressor!
ALL of my rifles are suppressed, locked and loaded
But, an SBS acts as both a gun and a flash-bang. ;-)
Took me less than a month to get mine.
No way.
"It's not the recoil it's the overpressure." (7:09) What is the overpressure? My only point of reference is ammunition overpressure like +P or +P+.
It's the pressure wave from the escaping gases expanding out of the muzzle.
@@ASPextra Thanks. So it's that horrible pounding I get when there's an AR-15 going off next to me in the indoor shooting range.
Yep.
edited - deleting restatement of prior posts :(
I'm at 11 months on my suppressor and counting.....
Ugh!!
That’s not a suppressor. That’s a casting couch prop
I like suppressors because loud noises hurt my earsies
Everything people cry foul about with gun control like registration and maybe fingerprints for example, they will not think twice about laying down their finger prints and carry a a super duper registration card to aquire a suppressor. 😆
I'm out.
Warrior Poet disagree
Did you watch the video?
@@ASPextra John i did skip thru your video just to watch you shoot, I apologize. But is it ideal to put on ear muff during home break in? Suppressor just too much money and hassle for me. Thank you always for posting all the tips/teaching for free on RUclips!!
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