Top 5 Mistakes Concealed Carriers Make In Real Gunfights: Overview (Part 1)
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Attitude. Skills. Plan.
(music in the outro courtesy of Bensound at www.bensound.com)
Mr. Correia is our generation’s Massad Ayoob (who is still rocking it in his 80’s). Real, honest, no BS gun talk that every armed citizen should hear. Best gun content on the internet.
I would say better even, because of the way he puts his faith forward to help people handle the emotional aspects of things with spiritual fitness.
Massad is 74.
2:42 being oblivious
3:02 being unarmed
3:40 firing/reacting emotionally
4:01 misunderstanding legal and moral self-defense
5:01 having a wrong idea of the threat
5:23 ASP-E and how many reloads should private citizens carry (he doesn't care, carry as many as you want, just know it's not going to come into play in DGUs)
thanks man we really need time stamps o a 5 minute video.
@@RT-ol4hh hahahahahah
@@RT-ol4hh it sounds like you are being the tough guy. Boom I reported you for bullying as well.
Boom I reported myself for not being offended by either of these guys.
@@WestinsChannel BOOM 💥
I love that you share these presentations. You put out a lot of great content. Thank you.
I appreciate that!
On the spare mag I do because of Clint from Thunder Ranch's story about getting out of the car, catching the mag and the baseplate broke leaving him a single shot gun. I don't expect to reload or clear a malfunction in a fight with it, but something dumb like catching the baseplate just right and making your pistol all but worthless until you manage to get home.
This
I get what you're saying, and obviously I'm not going to judge you for carrying a spare mag(especially since up until a year or two ago when I switched to a sig p365xl I carried a spare mag every day), but my thoughts on that are, how likely is that to happen to you at all(especially if you carry IWB or appendix), and perhaps more importantly, what are the odds that that one day it happens will be the day you need your gun to save your life, especially considering how rare it is to get into such a scenario in the first place? Also, couldn't you just put the base plate back on/reassemble the mag?
I love Clint Smith, but I think he goes a bit overboard sometimes. For example when he says things like you shouldn't ride horses or motorcycles because you could get seriously hurt(which I can certainly understand for motorcycles, but horses?), or not to go to the beach because most shark attacks happen in 2-3 ft of water. Granted, I don't know how serious he is when he says these things, but he doesn't seem like he's joking. He's still #1 on my bucket list of people to train with though. Unfortunately I get very little vacation time, and I live about as far away from Oregon as its possible to be and still be in the lower 48.
Knowing my luck that will happen to me
I carry spare for similar reasons, but also for comfort. My cushioning in front precludes comfortable AIB carry so I use strong side IWB. My tiny shield (7+1) is light, but still makes me lopsided. Carrying spare (8) on other side makes for better balance and comfort. Guess a second spare would make for better balance, but this is good enough.
@@Mockturtlesoup1 yes I can see it now: "Hey bad guys! Time Out! I need to find and pick up all my bullets, put my mag back together if its still possible, load all my rounds back into my mag, then reload said mag. Then when I'm ready to fight, I'll say 'olly olly oxen free!'
Probably would say about carrying an extra mag gives that individual piece of mind which is great. Its ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE AND NOT NEED THAN NEED AND NOT HAVE. Period!!!! Good stuff John
this is my thought
Light carry -- S&W Model 637 in 38 +P and two 6-round speed strips.
Heavy carry -- Sig P320 in 9 mm with two 21-round spare mags, and the above S&W as a backup.
I have both open and concealed holsters for the Sig.
Light carry -- S&W Model 637 in 38 +P and two 6-round speed strips.
Heavy carry -- Sig P320 in 9 mm with two 21-round spare mags, and the above S&W as a backup.
I have both open and concealed holsters for the Sig.
I don't want to take away from these 5 important points, but I guess I feel wanting for more specifics "in real gunfights." Maybe there's another 5 mistakes that could be covered once the first bullet flies. Thanks John. Edit: Now I see the Part 1.
He says in the video a couple times that they'll be explaining them. It was just a list to start
I laughed so hard when he said. "Oh, I'm only serious." Totally gonna use that one.
Maybe this goes under the "being unarmed" section, but I'm otherwise very surprised carrying chamber empty didn't make the list!
Also, I think there's a very good reason to carry a spare magazine: not because it'll help you win your gunfight, but because if you were in a situation serious enough that you had to discharge your firearm, you don't want to be walking around with diminished capacity.
What kind of John Wick situations are you imagining where you wouldn’t either be getting arrested, going to the hospital, or going straight home after a DGU?
@@djfour The one where your encounter is "over" because the perps fled, but you don't know if they're coming back, and you're waiting for the police to arrive.
@@djfour or you’re in a gun fight with more than one perp.
@@elendarulianreo still a John Wick fantasy scenario. they ran away because you were shooting them, why on earth would they come back
@@longgone9869 John's entire point is that in 40,000 encounters he has never seen a civilian reload and fire a single round from said mag. It has never happened. So no, there's no logical reason to do it. It's a comfort item. It's much more logical to carry a backup gun.
Great video!
Regarding spare mags, it’s a personal decision.
To me, it depends on 3 things:
1) Confidence level in the installed magazine
2) Ability to clear common malfunctions without loss of installed magazine
3) Comfort level on how many available rounds the person feels that they need.
For example:
If I’m carrying a ppk with its 7 round capacity then yeah, I’m gonna need extra mags. If my p365 has follower issues that sometimes cause rounds to hang up, then I might need an extra mag that has proven to be problem free. If my HK had zero feed issues, and I can clear all malfunctions while hanging onto that one mag, and I’m comfortable with the 12 round capacity, then I might be ok with not carrying extra mags.
At least you’ve thought it through, most people haven’t
The famous LA based watch repairman Lance Thomas was a private citizen who was involved in many gunfights at his store.
He had to reload.
(He reloaded by grabbing other guns... but that is still a reload)
The number 1, admittedly, is the one I need to work on the most.
"I have opinions" John C. You cracked me up Sir. :-D :-D
"Every person has a picture of how their gunfight goes." This includes the armed robber. When this picture goes off-script, there is a momentary disconnect until the internal image and reality merge. That's how armed robbers have the tables turned on them--the victim doesn't follow the robber's script. I don't know how well I'll adapt if I'm ever in a gunfight and it doesn't go my way--the force-on-force gunfight training I did in the military isn't real, there was low chance of being injured and almost no chance of dying on the training ranges and I was aware of the active threat and I had committed to shooting during the training scenario. When wearing a concealed firearm, I'm committed to NOT shooting. Firing is the exception.
Good morning John. I understand your opinion about spare magazines. But I will always carry spare mags because shit happens. If you haven’t already seen please look at the Wilson combat about caring spare magazines. His attention to detail & information about how you should carry spare mags is honest and on point. God bless John have yourself a great day. And thank you for all you have done for us CCW holders. You are a great person that has taught me a lot. Keep up the good work🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Light carry -- S&W Model 637 in 38 +P and two 6-round speed strips.
Heavy carry -- Sig P320 in 9 mm with two 21-round spare mags, and the above S&W as a backup.
I have both open and concealed holsters for the Sig.
Yup. Excellent.
Great stuff! Thanks for getting knowledge out there for us to learn from real world encounters.
Any time!
Now I want to see the rest!
Good gear! That’s the same topic. 30 rounds or 28 for a AR mag
Watching you has really changed my perspectives. I am much more worried about multiple assailants, and them grabbing my arm and trying to take my stuff themselves instead of just asking me to give them my stuff.
Thanks for making this content free for everyone, Jon. Kudos!
Thanks for posting this lecture
Wilson Combat just released a video where Mr. Ayoob says we should carry a spare. I also saw your recent videos on the subject. You are both right. Gr8 vid as usual. 🔫
When is PT 2 coming!?! Can’t wait to see the other parts
One a week for the next 5 weeks.
lol great now im going to always think of my spare mag as my "safety bwanket"
Thanks for all your great info John. I am looking forward to part 2.
I like carrying an extra mag. You never know. And just because we haven't seen a ccw reload ON CAMERA doesn't mean it's never happened. At 42, I've spent beyond countless hours outdoors and I've NEVER seen a porcupine but I know they exist in my area. Haha. Good video. Love all the content asp puts out!!!
Awesome, awesome, awesome stuff. Thank you.
Love that you put videos out there. You always have important info that is told in a fun but very factual way. Thanks so much and can't wait for #2
"I'm only serious". lol I'm using that.
Ty
On reloads - after using a firearm in self defense, I would want to then reload to return my gun to full capacity and thus capability. I've heard you say roughly a third of Self defense encounters involve multiple attackers (if I'm not misquoting), so I'd want to be ready in case there is a second threat that I'm not aware of. I'm sure the police would then take my firearm at some point of the investigation, but I could still defend myself until they arrived. But this is just me speculating.
I appreciate this 🙏
Thanks for sharing this ASP team ! Wish I could have seen this live.
I usually just carry the exact amount of bullets I see people shoot in security cam footage. If I have spare room in the mag, I just load it with little pieces of paper that say words on them like BANG! and BOOM!
Now we wait for part 2 lol
I have an honest question. From all the videos you have analyzed in self defense shootings do you have a statistic of how many encounters involved multiple assailants over just one. Would you say you are more likely if being in a defensive shooting to have to engage only 1, 2, 3 or more persons?
About a third of all defensive encounters on the main channel involve multiple attackers. I almost never see a private citizen defender engage more than 2 attackers with bullets.
I work as security, I am certified for batons, OC . But told not allowed, only gun and magazines, so I carry a 33rd, as my less then lethal, lol
Fax! thanks for the fax
Nice job John. Thanks for sharing your content.
I agree, I'll probably never need to reload... but I carry a spare or two to protect me from myself.
Lot's of times in stressed evolutions I've cleared a malfunction without thinking about it, on the move... strip, rack, reload continue, without stopping. It's how we train.
So... should it happen that I have a serious malfunction I don't want to be picking a mag off the deck because I processed the stoppage the way we've trained for 20years.
So.. yeah. It's a woobie. 😉
Good stuff! Thanks for sharing. Having watched a huge portion of your channel, I probably would have gotten close to guessing that top 5. I do carry that blankie though, because there's a first time for everything and my pocket has the room (I put a 24rnd so it sticks up just below the top of my pocket). You are right that a type 3 malfunction is super rare; I've yet to encounter one with my Glock or Sig after at least 10k rounds including comps in a dusty course.
Looking forward to the other parts of this lecture
To know what happens in a gun fight one must be in a gun fight to truly appreciate what happens.....
John- this is fantastic. Please consider adding this to the main channel too- needs more views!!🙌🙌
Nah this is the channel for this kind of stuff. :)
Great info John
Love this
This channel is definitely an excellent addition to the original. I look forward to more content! 💯👊
Thank you
great freaking video
Legendary ✌️❤️
Great stuff as always John.
I legit love you John.
I like carrying a spare mag. Makes me feel better. Especially when I carry my subcompact with only 7 rounds. I don’t want to be that 1 person in 40,001 shootouts that’s need an extra mag.
To borrow boxing saying, "everyone has a plan on gunfight until they get fired at"
I love that this guy studies psychology (personality typology) to better understand himself and others to aid the self protection.
Thanks for all the solid content, I’ve followed you since the main channel only had 20-30k followers.
Rick
Thanks Rick!
I still question the reliability of having never seen a mag reload used. The data needs to at least be based on encounters where people actually even had a spare mag. I would guess the overwhelming majority of carriers, don't carry an extra mag on their person. And that definitely biases the observation that they never get used.
No they don’t. The analysis is based off of the timing in the fight and what happens. It is rare to see someone empty the gun entirely, and we can time from there when that rarity DOES happen if a reload would make a difference.
@@ASPextra John have you published any of your observations from video evidence in a written or database format. If I was still in college I think this would be my thesis.. how many times are there multiple attackers? How many times do hits fail to neutralize? How many times do people get attacked or killed unprovoked or even when they're compliant? These are all the kind of questions that if analyzed and answered can save somebody when they say yes he hadn't shot at me yet or presented a gun but I feared for my life because things can go from bad to really bad within your reaction gap.
Just like we've seen multiple times where big or trained people can knock somebody out with one punch and once you're unconscious you're threatened with the possibility of serious bodily harm and defenseless. Meaning sometimes there's a reason to escalate before you become at a deficit.
Light carry -- S&W Model 637 in 38 +P and two 6-round speed strips.
Heavy carry -- Sig P320 in 9 mm with two 21-round spare mags, and the above S&W as a backup.
I have both open and concealed holsters for the Sig.
Today Massed Ayoob put out the exact opposite video, why you should carry extra ammunition.
Great talk John is the rest available?
It will be over the next few weeks. I am posting one a week.
I stopped carrying a spare mag a year or two ago when I switched from over a decade of carrying a g19/g23 to a p365xl(which I love BTW.) Actually, even with the g19 I only sometimes carried a spare mag, which is probably worse than always not carrying one, as at least I wouldn't think I have a spare mag when I really don't.)
Being a fan of your channel I've watched a lot of videos/shootings/self defense scenarios, and I agree they often happen so quickly that theres no time to reload, whether because you're out of ammo, are doing a tac reload, or experience a doublefeed or something.
My question is, what percentage of the people in the videos you watch/analyze even carry a spare mag to begin with? What I mean is, if barely any of the people in the videos who get into a self defense shooting even have a spare mag on them, then obviously they can't do a reload. Not only that, but if they don't have training, and haven't made reloading their gun an essentially sub-conscious action, then they still might not have the wherewithall(or even skill) to perform a reload in the middle of a shooting.
I guess the real/more important question would be, "what percentage of the people in your benefits would have benefited from having a spare mag on them? Granted, I imagine its still probably going to be a very, small number/percentage, just curious what you would put that number at.
Regardless, at times I feel like it's kind of overkill to carry a gun, a knife(sometimes two), a flashlight, sometimes even a trauma kit(though thats pretty rare, but I do keep a pretty serious trauma kit(among other things) in each car and in a couple places in the home), etc. just to navigate the streets of suburban Connecticut. Lol. It's actually funny. Some of my friends and family carry, or at least own guns, but by far most don't. So I often feel very weird when someone finds out I carry(especially if I'm carrying at that moment.) Nobody's ever made fun of me, or criticized me for it, but it does make me question why I carry, or how rational it truly is. But then I'll watch some of the RUclips channels I follow, or talk with guys at the range or gun stores, and feel the opposite. It makes me wonder if we've all gotten wrapped around the axle about carrying guns/self defense(especially how much time and money people put into, particularly as compared to other things that are more likely to save their lives like stopping smoking, excersizing, medical training, or even things like martial arts, or just wearing a god damn seat belt. Lol.
Okay, I'm rambling. Too much red bull this morning. Lol. Thanks as always for the educational videos, and I can't wait for the rest of the videos from this talk!
Interesting. The p365xl and p365 are the only pistols that I own that I do carry a spare mag for. This is because of the feed issues the model had in the beginning and the American made mags (vs Italian)/followers. I had too many feed issues initially… I haven’t had too many recently but what I experienced was enough to convince me that a backup mag (of different make/model to loaded one) was a good idea for me.
Reloads are definitely a personal decision.
WAIT where’s the rest?? Some of us have children and couldn’t make it to Houston!!
Oh, and I carry a Woobie.
Thanks for showing this. I want to know more of what you do. Minus the religious stuff.
This was good!
I agree if I can’t resolve my threat with 1 mag in my 9 I must have chosen the wrong encounter or solution.tpa bob
Training is taught me to carry a spare magazine to help correct firearm malfunctions, not because I may need extra Bullets
I got into it hard with a fb fudd offering to train teachers. He made a post saying to buy a hammerless taurus 856 and ammo and he will teach you to stop an active shooter. Hes certainly a qualified and vetted instructor, going back to '82. I just wanna bang my head aginst the wall when he tells me its so much harder to teach a woman to shoot a mag fed autoloader.
Second mags are more about being prepared for things beyond the scope of self defense from criminal attackers. That's much further down the curve.
I just can't believe how much you hurt my feelings.
You're just like that Drill Sergeant at AIT! You know! : the one I have to thank for the fact that I lived thru Iraq.
Keep It UP!
Awesome content as usual. I need to attend one of your seminars... California soon?
2:56 Stephannie says "Not MY phone!"
Haha fact.
What about that one guy you covered that did a battle field pick up? Does that count as a reload? Or no cause I think it was Brazil so it may have been an off duty (disqualify cause it was a cop)
Off duty incidents do qualify; we separate on-duty incidents only. He never actually used the gun he picked up, just picked it up. So its presence didn’t affect the fight.
I love my 1911
What is the first rule of zombieland?
Ah man where is the full presentation?
I carry a spare magazine because I don't like the ones at my doctor's office.
🤣😂
Not sure when you recorded this and of course I'd have to go back and look but I'm pretty sure you've done a video recently that showed a civilian or a off-duty cop acting in a civilian capacity using a reload. And if not that I'm sure there's plenty of examples of people expending their magazine and then wishing they had a reload when there's more than one attacker.
Nope. Go look.
I just want to know 😪 where's part 2 to this video? 😭
Do you have a process of vetting magazines? Either it works flawlessly or it doesn’t, right? 🤔
John its better to have an don't need it...
than need it an don't have it.....
There was one, no actually 2 reload videos.
I carry 3 woobies for my pistol and 11 for my rifle lol
Les Baer 1911 mags are controlled feed and are more reliable than Wilson Combat which are not controlled feed.
Just because you haven’t seen one yet doesn’t mean you won’t see one eventually. And when it comes to my safety and the safety of my family I’ll carry that wooby. Just in case 😁
"and let me tell you folks....I have opinions"
Unequivocally!
I carry a spare mag because you never know. The chance that having a spare magazine on hand can make a difference may be extremely small, but it’s not 0%. I live in a restricted state, so we’re limited to 10 beans in the blaster.
Having the extra 10 could make all the difference in the world if I’m on one side of a building with my wife and child on the other side and a shooter between us. There are times when a private citizen may have to press into the encounter.
It's funny when guys say "I'd shoot you" but they don't have their gun. not having your gun also works for the bad guys. ;)
I submit that every 6-shot gunfight is a data point that J-frame users need a reload. And every 7-shot gunfight points to that need for the traditional revolver carrier. Now, where you stop this investigation into how much is enough is beyond the scope of a RUclips comment, but just because you haven't *seen* it happen doesn't mean that it didn't *need* to happen.
Unless you’re trying to conceal a snub nose in your Speedos at the beach there is no reason to carry a revolver in 2022.
I would like to think if people received more proper firearms training you would see individuals reloading in a self-defense situation. But when a gun locks up on your average gun toting citizen, they manage to go into vapor lock themselves as opposed to smoothly and rapidly correcting the problem and getting back into action.
Your know, I haven’t seen people vapor lock in real defensive gunfights when they have a malfunction.
😁😁
But my friend’s brother-in-law’s father’s nephew’s neighbor said …
man i just learnt that the 1911 was a pos.
So sounds like one can say that the odds of a civilian needing to use a "backup" gun are close to 0%.
Wilson fee lips don't control the round the way that they should as it goes up the feed ramp. Tripp Research does a much better job.
3:33 i'm guilty of that. It's just some places I don't feel necessary to bring my pistol with me. I leave it locked up in my car. Places where there are police present for example.
The police have zero obligation to protect you, the Supreme Court has made that determination multiple times. Second what if the police are the target and maybe you could save lives! Lastly unless you are leaving in a locked secured safe in your car you are potentially arming criminals. I’m not judging you just giving food for thought. Stay safe and stay frosty,
Rick
I agree hate to leave in car but on rare occasion have no choice legally
@@theprepperrevelator yes. But I don't want to be mistaken for a shooter should one go on a rampage. Not looking to be shot by cops. Lol
@@chuckh4077 that is definitely something the conceal carry community needs to address with some type of solution. Whether it be a bright colored T-shirt or some type of conceal carry badge or something. That’s a legitimate concern.
Advising someone to destroy or hide evidence is a huge liability
How do you know if a person in a gun fight even had the option to reload? How do you know if a person owns an extra mag? Is the magazine capacity of the self defender taken into consideration? Also, if your mag is malfunctioning and you don’t have an extra one, you essentially have a one shot pistol. Worth it? Um, no. IDK seems like a lot of variables to make that assumption.
Real life is what it is. Go watch a couple thousand of the encounters on the main channel and let me know what you find! :)
I live in Hawaii where the fascists made a law saying you cannot carry more than 10 rounds in your magazine. If I was ever in a real gunfight for my life, I honestly don't think 1 magazine would be enough.
Slow your role in the beginning of your presentation. Draw people in with some thought provoking questions and a couple real world and hypothetical break downs. Death by PowerPoint is the worst form of torture. If you must use PowerPoint, blank it out when you've hit that point. You did do decent with recognizing people by name and great with the humor.
Hi, welcome to my channel where I do things my way.
If you carry you should be practicing with that gun at least thrice a month
Yes practice as much as time and money allows as gun skills are perishable. Also take some tactical pistol training. Standing at the gun range shooting at static targets isn’t how a gun fight takes place. Everyone is moving in a gun fight.
Without the training you don’t even know what it is you don’t know