This has touched a poignant nerve with me. With a mother who was afflicted with depression at 35, and committed suicide at 37, a brother with severely disabling bi-polar, and 2 cousins that committed suicide, this is VERY close to me. I am so excited there may be hope now for others with this. A ketogenic diet is my way of controlling my metabolic health AND my moods. Love that you are getting the word out!
Truly a long cold drink of water served in the middle of a desert.. He has access to a source flowing under that desert.. How Blessed to be the server. :-) Thank you.. all for your cutting edge courage ... and truly deep compassion.
I tried this diet two times in spurts of 2-3 months each. I have Bipolar II. I went off it neither time really realizing it and I can’t say for certain but I ended up being hospitalized for suicidal ideation and being so agitated they shot me up with geodon while waiting an entire day to get moved to the psych floor. I was extremely extremely suicidal, I got shot up with haldol/Ativan twice as well in the middle of my stay. I was diagnosed with hypothyroid around the same time so that may have compounded it but earlier this year I fell hard too when I suddenly stopped because I got bored with bacon and lots of mayonnaise. So I do believe that stopping is probably no different than suddenly stopping lithium or anything else. Very depressing to realize the only reason I was feeling better was while I was doing this diet. I thought it was just a coincidence. No insight. A diet dominates your life in a more extreme way than just popping a pill it is much harder to stick to. I will be completely honest I would never want to do this is if it didn’t seem like one of my last options before trying heavy duty drugs that from what I’ve heard could make me gain 100 pounds in a year. If it really was the sudden stopping of the diet then I can attest it is extremely serious. It put me down to a sharp low even lower, much lower than my baseline illness beforehand which was the key shocking thing Bipolar feels like one constant emotional seizure. I can’t stop shaking up with restless energy, wanting to cry while cleaning the kitchen violently blasting music till my my kitchen table is vibrating like my brain is in electric overdrive. And then at times frozen in place in bed. A living hell beyond words. I’m confident there isn’t a single syndrome in psychiatry that is more dangerous than a mixed episode. You feel like your brain is forcing you over the edge when crossing an overpass like a magnet, or to jump in front of a 18 wheeler while walking on the sidewalk because of course I don’t have a job or car because of this and have to walk everywhere in the cold. Now I have Seroquel for emergency symptoms as well as a change in other things. Hopefully it stops. I’m very afraid to start the diet again unless I’m confident I’m gonna stay on it probably for years non stop? Who knows. I sincerely hope he and the others at Stanford oxford wherever are gonna pay a lot of attention to bipolar much more than it seems in this video. It is just as biological and debilitating as schizophrenia but in different ways, maybe not on average. But bipolar people are heterogenous just like plain old depressives are, and some of us can not work, some of us so desperate we volunteer to get brain surgery, now isn’t that existentially terrifying. If anything is a testament to it’s severity..that certainly is. I haven’t worked or held a job since I was 16 years old when it started. Hey
The "Professionals" will not be able to keep up with the Demand so people _are going to DIY it!_ Permission or not. It's the same with Cancer and Diabetes. So, thank you for sharing the info! Please include the Peer Support Specialist Corps as people who can share some of the load. They can't do everything, but we _are_ talking about _food_ here! Not drugs!
@@DarkMoonDroid For folks on medications and those with severe, treatment-resistant illness, symptoms can get worse before they get better. Here is more information about what to watch out for. www.chrispalmermd.com/ketogenic-diet-vitamins-contraindications/
@UCDNQe9hHs0e6CsD03OW_dlQ Luckily, these keto professionals are willing to team up with your local healthcare team and provide any expertise they might be missing. We have 10 so far and are adding more every week. www.chrispalmermd.com/clinicians-doctors-coach-dietitian/ Also, here's an overview of keto-for-psych resources www.chrispalmermd.com/best-keto-resources-for-mental-health-and-psychiatry/ The very best of luck to you and your beloved on this journey! (We receive no financial benefit. Just trying to help.)
I’m not well versed and I’m not trying to come across opinionated, but I suppose you could probably do it. But it would be a lot of kind of shitty stuff. Like it would probably be very repetitive, I know a lot of friends that do keto and they buy special foods online and boxes, go to Whole Foods or wherever and buy specialty items to make unique recipes to keep it fresh and help with sticking to it. So I think on low income as time goes by it might make it harder to stick to. Because I’d imagine it could be done, but it would be a lot of just plain simple foods and that’s it, like frozen broccoli, cheap greens (whatever those are, I don’t know tbh) lots and lots of butter, bacon?, hot dogs, processed Meat in general, chicken, processed cheeses are the cheapest I believe, and cheap oils and watchful use of things like I’m guessing very cheap plant foods that are a bit higher in carbs like some apple maybe once a day, peanuts, maybe a small serving of baby carrots, avocados are pretty low carb in this department, bell peppers etc. It’s very important to just simplyfy it for yourself in the beginning. Check out the FAQ on r/keto, it gives a lot of great information to make it not seem daunting or a task of a diet which it really isn’t in planning. And you can go search “Modified Atkins Diet” and on the epilepsy foundation website, which they say which is really great news from them, that you really don’t need to watch protein carefully or have low protein, or restrict calories; they’ve studied it, observed patients over time and people that do that diet have the same reduction in seizure rates as people doing very strict keto as long as they just focus on keeping the grams of carbs under 20 a day or maybe 50 a day possibly. www.epilepsy.com/learn/treating-seizures-and-epilepsy/dietary-therapies/modified-atkins-diet There’s basically zero evidence outside of case reports for the way to do this diet in psychiatry except to emulate the protocol in epilepsy. So I don’t think me linking that is out of line. Which is a reputable resource. You and anyone else deserves to know that this piece of information exists, even if Dr Palmer didn’t outright say it. As long as you aren’t tinkering with your own medications, this is a grass roots effort for many. Many people are completely fucked in America when it comes to healthcare so. But yeah one other thing, is a lot of keto people will say lazy keto is just fine and it really is and still offers benefits for weight loss. But when it comes to the treatment of epilepsy disorders it is not sufficient and you can easily go over your carb threshold, very very easily. It’s very important to understand how key, and vital it is to basically deprive your body of carbohydrates to the point it has no choice but to use fat as energy to fuel your brain. It will go kicking and screaming and if you step out of line it’s very likely you’re ketosis will stop, especially if exercise isn’t involved, anything above 50 grams is considered to not be ketosis generating, rough estimate wise. So if you’re trying to help yourself depression or whatever it’s vital to track the gram of net carbs to the exact gram. And don’t be afraid of a little ketchup one tbsp a day if you want to or creamer once a day, it’s down to the amount of the chemical that is carbohydrate in whatever form it’s in, it has nothing to do with being pure and only getting small amounts from “Whole Foods”. Do what you have to do to make it work for you. Check labels and be flexible some processed meats for example are gonna have a very small amount of carbohydrate, you have to be practical and realistic, just check the carbs and apply it. Just go easy on yourself in the beginning, it’s hard enough to adjust to the diet and go through cravings. I’d suggest not counting calories (if you’re also wanting to lose weight not it) at the start and doing that a few weeks in if you want to. And it’s very important if you wanna avoid keto flu to get some “lite salt” or regular salt and use a good amount of it in whatever way you wanna consume it, to avoid “keto flu”, it’s completely avoidable and supplement magnesium but not potassium it’s generally not recommended to get it in supplement form as it can be dangerous, avocados are rich in the mineral. And I’d recommend personally to take a multi because eating fat all day and not getting around to the greens will cause you to lack a lot of minerals and vitamins if you Track it on Cronometer it gets pretty evident And most importantly if you have health insurance I’d definitely recommend just running this by your doctor for sure, that’s probably essential to do. And even better is to also see a dietitian for even more guidance But don’t let that either blow it way out of proportion, ive told my GP and my Psych doctor and I’ve gotten little to no reaction.. so don’t worry about them battling with you I would say. But still tell them, I’m just one person and I’m on a individualized specific set of medications and treatment for my specific mental illness that may not interact poorly with the diet, and a specific age group (in my 20s) and someone without diabetes and other conditions But don’t ever do medication changes or getting off of things alone that one thing is specifically only a doctor can do. That applies to anyone, not just people doing this diet. And unfortunately if you wanna get off them completely that’s gonna be a difficult thing to convince them to do, at whatever point down the line in your illness, especially if you have a non episodic disorder that not like depression and something more chronic that depends on a chronic presence of medication. Unlike dr Palmer he doesn’t say it but the reality is that is NOT gonna be Easy to find someone willing to work with you on doing that.
Find a few YT channels that have good recipes that you think you can manage. Simple ingredients. There are things you can get at the Dollar Stores. As well as Walmart. Then if you have to have other stuff, there are other discount stores in different parts of the world. I don't have an Aldi, but I do have Trader Joes, and sometimes they are cheaper. Keep it simple. Don't blow it up so big that you're overwhelmed and decide to quit. It's better to keep it simple and manageable than to go all fancy and organic and then fall apart and eat a whole cake. Make sure you get plenty of fats so that you feel satisfied. You will still burn fat on your body, but slower. This is okay. It's better to lose weight slowly than fail all the time because you feel hungry or have cravings. Fast between dinner and breakfast. 12 hours is good. So, no food from 6pm to 6am should keep you out of trouble. Just drink water. Def don't eat before bed! Make an electrolyte drink. Or buy supplements and take them with water. Potassium, Magnesium, Calcium and Sodium. Don't skip this. Be patient with yourself. You will fail sometimes. But once the habit is formed, it gets _alot_ easier!! Love yourself. Care for yourself. You really need it. 💚💙💜💙💚
Keto does not mean expensive food. I repeat ! Keto does not mean buying expensive exotic food ! Study the underlying concepts, it costs the same as usual food. With IF it will become cheaper. Never buy any keto suppliments, just lots of veggies and fish/meat is the way to go. With good health you wont be spending on medicines also.
Can I ask you why pdocs are still prescribing long term benzos, even tho they have been known to cause more more nervous system overdrive, akathisia, ruined lives and families etc since the 70s?
This has touched a poignant nerve with me. With a mother who was afflicted with depression at 35, and committed suicide at 37, a brother with severely disabling bi-polar, and 2 cousins that committed suicide, this is VERY close to me. I am so excited there may be hope now for others with this. A ketogenic diet is my way of controlling my metabolic health AND my moods. Love that you are getting the word out!
Hope it helps you Judy! It's helped my mood for sure
Truly a long cold drink of water served in the middle of a desert.. He has access to a source flowing under that desert.. How Blessed to be the server. :-) Thank you.. all for your cutting edge courage ... and truly deep compassion.
I tried this diet two times in spurts of 2-3 months each. I have Bipolar II. I went off it neither time really realizing it and I can’t say for certain but I ended up being hospitalized for suicidal ideation and being so agitated they shot me up with geodon while waiting an entire day to get moved to the psych floor. I was extremely extremely suicidal, I got shot up with haldol/Ativan twice as well in the middle of my stay.
I was diagnosed with hypothyroid around the same time so that may have compounded it but earlier this year I fell hard too when I suddenly stopped because I got bored with bacon and lots of mayonnaise. So I do believe that stopping is probably no different than suddenly stopping lithium or anything else. Very depressing to realize the only reason I was feeling better was while I was doing this diet. I thought it was just a coincidence. No insight. A diet dominates your life in a more extreme way than just popping a pill it is much harder to stick to. I will be completely honest I would never want to do this is if it didn’t seem like one of my last options before trying heavy duty drugs that from what I’ve heard could make me gain 100 pounds in a year.
If it really was the sudden stopping of the diet then I can attest it is extremely serious. It put me down to a sharp low even lower, much lower than my baseline illness beforehand which was the key shocking thing
Bipolar feels like one constant emotional seizure. I can’t stop shaking up with restless energy, wanting to cry while cleaning the kitchen violently blasting music till my my kitchen table is vibrating like my brain is in electric overdrive. And then at times frozen in place in bed. A living hell beyond words. I’m confident there isn’t a single syndrome in psychiatry that is more dangerous than a mixed episode. You feel like your brain is forcing you over the edge when crossing an overpass like a magnet, or to jump in front of a 18 wheeler while walking on the sidewalk because of course I don’t have a job or car because of this and have to walk everywhere in the cold. Now I have Seroquel for emergency symptoms as well as a change in other things. Hopefully it stops. I’m very afraid to start the diet again unless I’m confident I’m gonna stay on it probably for years non stop? Who knows.
I sincerely hope he and the others at Stanford oxford wherever are gonna pay a lot of attention to bipolar much more than it seems in this video. It is just as biological and debilitating as schizophrenia but in different ways, maybe not on average. But bipolar people are heterogenous just like plain old depressives are, and some of us can not work, some of us so desperate we volunteer to get brain surgery, now isn’t that existentially terrifying. If anything is a testament to it’s severity..that certainly is. I haven’t worked or held a job since I was 16 years old when it started. Hey
Bless you, Jon.
🙏💜
Three years ago. I'm just hearing this in 2023
Bless you, Sir!!!
I have a strategy, now, to help My Beloved!
If only I live long enuf!!
00:38:00 That's why the word "Biohacking" was invented.
The "Professionals" will not be able to keep up with the Demand so people _are going to DIY it!_
Permission or not.
It's the same with Cancer and Diabetes.
So, thank you for sharing the info!
Please include the Peer Support Specialist Corps as people who can share some of the load. They can't do everything, but we _are_ talking about _food_ here! Not drugs!
@@DarkMoonDroid For folks on medications and those with severe, treatment-resistant illness, symptoms can get worse before they get better. Here is more information about what to watch out for. www.chrispalmermd.com/ketogenic-diet-vitamins-contraindications/
@UCDNQe9hHs0e6CsD03OW_dlQ Luckily, these keto professionals are willing to team up with your local healthcare team and provide any expertise they might be missing. We have 10 so far and are adding more every week. www.chrispalmermd.com/clinicians-doctors-coach-dietitian/ Also, here's an overview of keto-for-psych resources www.chrispalmermd.com/best-keto-resources-for-mental-health-and-psychiatry/ The very best of luck to you and your beloved on this journey! (We receive no financial benefit. Just trying to help.)
@@CecileSeth Bless you!!! I'm very well aware of what can happen to symptoms. Thank you.
@@DarkMoonDroid how has it gone with the diet please.
40:23 How does someone who is low-income go about starting ketogenic therapy?
I’m not well versed and I’m not trying to come across opinionated, but I suppose you could probably do it. But it would be a lot of kind of shitty stuff. Like it would probably be very repetitive, I know a lot of friends that do keto and they buy special foods online and boxes, go to Whole Foods or wherever and buy specialty items to make unique recipes to keep it fresh and help with sticking to it. So I think on low income as time goes by it might make it harder to stick to. Because I’d imagine it could be done, but it would be a lot of just plain simple foods and that’s it, like frozen broccoli, cheap greens (whatever those are, I don’t know tbh) lots and lots of butter, bacon?, hot dogs, processed Meat in general, chicken, processed cheeses are the cheapest I believe, and cheap oils and watchful use of things like I’m guessing very cheap plant foods that are a bit higher in carbs like some apple maybe once a day, peanuts, maybe a small serving of baby carrots, avocados are pretty low carb in this department, bell peppers etc.
It’s very important to just simplyfy it for yourself in the beginning. Check out the FAQ on r/keto, it gives a lot of great information to make it not seem daunting or a task of a diet which it really isn’t in planning. And you can go search “Modified Atkins Diet” and on the epilepsy foundation website, which they say which is really great news from them, that you really don’t need to watch protein carefully or have low protein, or restrict calories; they’ve studied it, observed patients over time and people that do that diet have the same reduction in seizure rates as people doing very strict keto as long as they just focus on keeping the grams of carbs under 20 a day or maybe 50 a day possibly.
www.epilepsy.com/learn/treating-seizures-and-epilepsy/dietary-therapies/modified-atkins-diet
There’s basically zero evidence outside of case reports for the way to do this diet in psychiatry except to emulate the protocol in epilepsy. So I don’t think me linking that is out of line. Which is a reputable resource. You and anyone else deserves to know that this piece of information exists, even if Dr Palmer didn’t outright say it. As long as you aren’t tinkering with your own medications, this is a grass roots effort for many. Many people are completely fucked in America when it comes to healthcare so.
But yeah one other thing, is a lot of keto people will say lazy keto is just fine and it really is and still offers benefits for weight loss. But when it comes to the treatment of epilepsy disorders it is not sufficient and you can easily go over your carb threshold, very very easily. It’s very important to understand how key, and vital it is to basically deprive your body of carbohydrates to the point it has no choice but to use fat as energy to fuel your brain. It will go kicking and screaming and if you step out of line it’s very likely you’re ketosis will stop, especially if exercise isn’t involved, anything above 50 grams is considered to not be ketosis generating, rough estimate wise. So if you’re trying to help yourself depression or whatever it’s vital to track the gram of net carbs to the exact gram. And don’t be afraid of a little ketchup one tbsp a day if you want to or creamer once a day, it’s down to the amount of the chemical that is carbohydrate in whatever form it’s in, it has nothing to do with being pure and only getting small amounts from “Whole Foods”. Do what you have to do to make it work for you. Check labels and be flexible some processed meats for example are gonna have a very small amount of carbohydrate, you have to be practical and realistic, just check the carbs and apply it.
Just go easy on yourself in the beginning, it’s hard enough to adjust to the diet and go through cravings. I’d suggest not counting calories (if you’re also wanting to lose weight not it) at the start and doing that a few weeks in if you want to.
And it’s very important if you wanna avoid keto flu to get some “lite salt” or regular salt and use a good amount of it in whatever way you wanna consume it, to avoid “keto flu”, it’s completely avoidable and supplement magnesium but not potassium it’s generally not recommended to get it in supplement form as it can be dangerous, avocados are rich in the mineral. And I’d recommend personally to take a multi because eating fat all day and not getting around to the greens will cause you to lack a lot of minerals and vitamins if you Track it on Cronometer it gets pretty evident
And most importantly if you have health insurance I’d definitely recommend just running this by your doctor for sure, that’s probably essential to do. And even better is to also see a dietitian for even more guidance
But don’t let that either blow it way out of proportion, ive told my GP and my Psych doctor and I’ve gotten little to no reaction.. so don’t worry about them battling with you I would say. But still tell them, I’m just one person and I’m on a individualized specific set of medications and treatment for my specific mental illness that may not interact poorly with the diet, and a specific age group (in my 20s) and someone without diabetes and other conditions
But don’t ever do medication changes or getting off of things alone that one thing is specifically only a doctor can do. That applies to anyone, not just people doing this diet.
And unfortunately if you wanna get off them completely that’s gonna be a difficult thing to convince them to do, at whatever point down the line in your illness, especially if you have a non episodic disorder that not like depression and something more chronic that depends on a chronic presence of medication. Unlike dr Palmer he doesn’t say it but the reality is that is NOT gonna be Easy to find someone willing to work with you on doing that.
Start Keto alongside Intermittent Fasting. It is a powerful combination. Fasting saves you money!
Find a few YT channels that have good recipes that you think you can manage. Simple ingredients. There are things you can get at the Dollar Stores. As well as Walmart. Then if you have to have other stuff, there are other discount stores in different parts of the world. I don't have an Aldi, but I do have Trader Joes, and sometimes they are cheaper.
Keep it simple.
Don't blow it up so big that you're overwhelmed and decide to quit. It's better to keep it simple and manageable than to go all fancy and organic and then fall apart and eat a whole cake. Make sure you get plenty of fats so that you feel satisfied. You will still burn fat on your body, but slower. This is okay. It's better to lose weight slowly than fail all the time because you feel hungry or have cravings.
Fast between dinner and breakfast. 12 hours is good. So, no food from 6pm to 6am should keep you out of trouble. Just drink water. Def don't eat before bed!
Make an electrolyte drink. Or buy supplements and take them with water. Potassium, Magnesium, Calcium and Sodium. Don't skip this.
Be patient with yourself.
You will fail sometimes. But once the habit is formed, it gets _alot_ easier!!
Love yourself.
Care for yourself.
You really need it.
💚💙💜💙💚
Keto does not mean expensive food. I repeat ! Keto does not mean buying expensive exotic food !
Study the underlying concepts, it costs the same as usual food. With IF it will become cheaper. Never buy any keto suppliments, just lots of veggies and fish/meat is the way to go.
With good health you wont be spending on medicines also.
Can I ask you why pdocs are still prescribing long term benzos, even tho they have been known to cause more more nervous system overdrive, akathisia, ruined lives and families etc since the 70s?
Money.
Horrendous audio