I am a veteran that hasn't been getting any results through years of pushing for more therapy here in Louisiana and I am on a disability pension, no vehicle and having to live in government housing and have terrible anxiety, adhd, ocd and depression along with brain surgery. I have been a graphic designer, musician, artist, music producer, video editor, 3d modeler, youtuber and a good deal more and I dont know why I have so much anxiety that I cant get my life together. Ive heard my whole life im going to or i should be famous. And though I dont want fame near as much as I want to be successful, i do not want to be lonely and I would love the chance to do this, If anybody out there has any information for me could you please directly me to what I can do!
Get a disability rating if you don't have one already. Get as high of a rating can. Have a certified person At the VA near you to look at your medical records from active duty. If successful, set up an account on the VA website. It takes a while to get the rating but don't give up. Esketamine is approved by the VA. The treatments can be done at the VA or under community care. Depending on your disability rating , the treatment can be at a low cost or free. You need to focus on getting help. Take it one step at a time. Having ADHD is difficult...believe me I know. From one vet to another, no one can help you more than yourself.
Kevin, I’ve been following you since TechTV….a long road…besides turning me onto Bitcoin, this may be one of the most beneficial podcasts you’ve ever done! Very courageous to put yourself out there to demonstrate an alternative that may help people who could benefit from this type of therapy but would otherwise be afraid…well done!!
Kevin, let her talk! I’ve been trying to watch this in clips, and it’s been frustrating when she has a line of thought and you jump in and talk over her.
Would love to hear what process you went through to find such an awesome medical partner/MD. What sort of things were on your non-negotiable list when shopping for your provider?
Interesting episode, she seems like a nice person. Here are some thoughts: What exactly do you do with the information that you get during your trip? If it’s really abstract, isn’t it hard to get something more concrete out of it? Or are you just left to ruminate on it by yourself? And even if you talk to a psychiatrist about the experience, it seems hard to ‘translate’ the experience into something more tangible. - Thoughts? - Also, I’ve read that the Ketamine itself is super cheap, however the doctors/psychologists are what drives up the cost. How are people who really need/could benefit from this kind of Ketamine treatment supposed to afford the treatment when it’s so expensive? - To me this comes across as a treatment for the upper middle class, and those lower down on the economic ladder will never be able to try this kind of treatment. What’s your thoughts on that?
Just to jump on another question, it can be a challenge to relate what you experience in the midst of the trip. When it's most intense is generally when you can talk the least. There's a long tail of coming back out of the experience when you begin to be able to verbalize things with your therapist, and this is actually an incredibly important (IMO) part of the process. Additionally, I felt a strong desire to begin journaling for days after my sessions, in which I would continue to analyze what I felt were the feelings and meanings of the experience. - I used sublingual, oral dissolving tablets. An order of 20 tablets, good for many sessions, costs about $170. The sessions themselves cost about $800, because they required 3 hours of individual therapist time. The medication isn't covered by insurance, though I was able to apply for reimbursement (out of network) for the therapy portion... once I worked through my deductible, I began to get at least a percentage of this back. - This is one of the biggest problems... it's just not very scalable. I have a friend who has had some success with mail order ketamine treatments, but after having experienced using a therapist in-person, I'm not sure I'd want to go it alone. The place I go has started to offer group ketamine experiences, only for those who have already had some experience. This costs about half as much, and can still have many of the same benefits. But, it is still an experience that is likely out of reach for many, which is a shame.
Esketamine, also known as sprovato is a treatment that is paid for by some insurances. I would say mental health, in general, is catered towards people with the means to worry about it. It’s a big problem. The experiences are very…personalized and can feel very spiritual and hard to articulate. Sometimes it’s hard to talk to people about it who haven’t experienced it, but you feel good and not something that makes you feel isolated.
Healing Back Pain: The mind body connection by Dr. John Sarno is the book Howard Stern mentions for chronic pain. The idea is referred to as TMS. Highly recommend book and idea.
Outstanding! Very interesting! I could’ve used something like this at different points in my life, somehow I’ve managed to fight through a lot and at the age of 60 things are much easier now.
I’ve had some great experiences with ketamine. A very helpful substance for self reflection. It’s interesting to see it being used in this setting. I heard David Attenborough uses ketamine. It’s very easy to become reliant on it, so definitely something to use in moderation. Maybe 2-4 times a year, as a checkpoint.
Follow up question: What about the risk of having a bad trip during your Ketamine session? Wouldn’t that be traumatizing to some people who might already be sensitive, whether that is from being a sensitive person to being with, or being more sensitive due to depression and/or anxiety?
Speaking from my own treatment experience, dealing with personal trauma within a series of ketamine sessions, I never experienced anything "scary" that would have further traumatized me. Rather, I tended to either have very deep, peaceful, spiritual experiences that gave me that sense of "it's all going to be ok" that Kevin talks about here, or else I had experiences that really tapped into the deeper traumas I was working through, and opened up flood gates of emotion. The latter type could certainly be "difficult", but only in the sense that I would sometimes feel such intense waves of grief that I would start to almost convulse with sobs. In those moments, my therapist (always in the room with me) offered calm support, but encouraged me to feel the feels, rather than run from them. This ultimately enabled me to gain a sense that I'd fully engaged with my traumas head on, but in a safe supportive headspace. Those difficult sessions ultimately proved to be some of the most valuable, while the peaceful ones were like the ultimate vacation.
What if the music starts to bug you? I am trying to imagine if it would for me because for instance music takes me out of meditation and sleep. I prefer completely quiet for those.
I've definitely had this problem in my own ketamine therapy sessions. I generally don't like a lot of words / lyrics, preferring something more instrumental / trippy. When the music is right, it really adds a great deal to the experience, but when it's wrong it can feel grating. I've even given feedback to my therapist when a particular playlist that they use has a track that doesn't work, and showed them how to setup Spotify to just skip those particular tracks in a playlist. :)
Thanks for sharing this experience Kevin. Dr Jenn is a fantastic practitioner. I have done several ketamine sessions with her and have had life-changing results. She is the BEST place in Los Angeles hands down.
Appreciate the transparency here. Can't help but feel like your sentiments with ketamine is what a user of any drug would feel. It helps people cope with things.
If you think Ketamine is anything like other hard drugs like cocaine , then you have a lot to learn . Ketamine is a very unique substance which produces profound spiritual out of body-like experiences. Ketamine is also being approved in many places for clinical treatments . It has proven medical benefits for mental health issues like depression and PTSD . Did they approve heroine , meth or coke for clinical treatments? Does heroine treat depression ? No those hard drugs do not , all they do is mask the problem . Though mushrooms , lsd , DMT and Ketamine help you get to the root cause of your problems .
Hmmm…….sooooo - on this logic - should we be allowing people to take pain medications then on their own at home? Especially if opioids specifically account for 70% of the 110,000 or so overdose deaths a year? .01 % of overdoses were caused by ketamine - 138 deaths involved ketamine in 2022. From 2019 to 2023 - less than 1% of overdose deaths had ketamine in their toxicology. From 2019 to 2024 - 24 deaths total involved only ketamine. 3,000 people die a year from food poisoning. Ketamine may be safer than eating out 🤷🏼♀️ 92 people died of caffeine overdoses. Let’s be realistic here about how “dangerous” medications are. Maybe take the opioids away if we are worried about overdoses.
Incredibly brave to put yourself out there like this.
Kevin, thank you for being so open about this and putting yourself out there. Dr. Jenn and her staff are amazing and wonderful people!
Man what a journey. Huge respect for putting this out there!
Is this a dark tip?
D-tip with the darkest one yet
Where is Ramsey?
Next wardriving v2
@@mrpudda12 This is the only question that matters
Remember that Dvorak dude? He’s 72. I thought he was in his 70’s way back when.
Thanks for giving us some insight into this treatment! You rock!
This was awesome, man. It really does demystify the whole thing.
should we really be demystifying these hard drugs? why not demystify heroine ?
@@JC-nl3nh Is it really a hard drug if if shows therapeutic value and is administered in a clinical setting?
@@themadhatter444 yes..? heroine is also a medical drug.
Thank you for sharing this Kevin ❤
Great discussion, Jennifer is amazing. I personally think having a trauma therapist there is better.
I am a veteran that hasn't been getting any results through years of pushing for more therapy here in Louisiana and I am on a disability pension, no vehicle and having to live in government housing and have terrible anxiety, adhd, ocd and depression along with brain surgery. I have been a graphic designer, musician, artist, music producer, video editor, 3d modeler, youtuber and a good deal more and I dont know why I have so much anxiety that I cant get my life together. Ive heard my whole life im going to or i should be famous. And though I dont want fame near as much as I want to be successful, i do not want to be lonely and I would love the chance to do this, If anybody out there has any information for me could you please directly me to what I can do!
Get a disability rating if you don't have one already. Get as high of a rating can. Have a certified person At the VA near you to look at your medical records from active duty. If successful, set up an account on the VA website. It takes a while to get the rating but don't give up.
Esketamine is approved by the VA. The treatments can be done at the VA or under community care. Depending on your disability rating , the treatment can be at a low cost or free.
You need to focus on getting help. Take it one step at a time. Having ADHD is difficult...believe me I know.
From one vet to another, no one can help you more than yourself.
Look into Esketamine also known as sprovato. It’s for treatment resistant depression so say you’re very very depressed.
Thank you for doing this, Kevin. ❤
Kevin, I’ve been following you since TechTV….a long road…besides turning me onto Bitcoin, this may be one of the most beneficial podcasts you’ve ever done! Very courageous to put yourself out there to demonstrate an alternative that may help people who could benefit from this type of therapy but would otherwise be afraid…well done!!
Kevin, let her talk! I’ve been trying to watch this in clips, and it’s been frustrating when she has a line of thought and you jump in and talk over her.
Would love to hear what process you went through to find such an awesome medical partner/MD. What sort of things were on your non-negotiable list when shopping for your provider?
Okay Kevin, You have been influencing me to do tons of drugs and alcohol threw the years, and now I am super excited to do Ketamine..
Interesting episode, she seems like a nice person. Here are some thoughts:
What exactly do you do with the information that you get during your trip? If it’s really abstract, isn’t it hard to get something more concrete out of it? Or are you just left to ruminate on it by yourself? And even if you talk to a psychiatrist about the experience, it seems hard to ‘translate’ the experience into something more tangible. - Thoughts?
- Also, I’ve read that the Ketamine itself is super cheap, however the doctors/psychologists are what drives up the cost. How are people who really need/could benefit from this kind of Ketamine treatment supposed to afford the treatment when it’s so expensive?
- To me this comes across as a treatment for the upper middle class, and those lower down on the economic ladder will never be able to try this kind of treatment. What’s your thoughts on that?
Me too, $?
Just to jump on another question, it can be a challenge to relate what you experience in the midst of the trip. When it's most intense is generally when you can talk the least. There's a long tail of coming back out of the experience when you begin to be able to verbalize things with your therapist, and this is actually an incredibly important (IMO) part of the process. Additionally, I felt a strong desire to begin journaling for days after my sessions, in which I would continue to analyze what I felt were the feelings and meanings of the experience.
- I used sublingual, oral dissolving tablets. An order of 20 tablets, good for many sessions, costs about $170. The sessions themselves cost about $800, because they required 3 hours of individual therapist time. The medication isn't covered by insurance, though I was able to apply for reimbursement (out of network) for the therapy portion... once I worked through my deductible, I began to get at least a percentage of this back.
- This is one of the biggest problems... it's just not very scalable. I have a friend who has had some success with mail order ketamine treatments, but after having experienced using a therapist in-person, I'm not sure I'd want to go it alone. The place I go has started to offer group ketamine experiences, only for those who have already had some experience. This costs about half as much, and can still have many of the same benefits. But, it is still an experience that is likely out of reach for many, which is a shame.
Esketamine, also known as sprovato is a treatment that is paid for by some insurances.
I would say mental health, in general, is catered towards people with the means to worry about it. It’s a big problem.
The experiences are very…personalized and can feel very spiritual and hard to articulate. Sometimes it’s hard to talk to people about it who haven’t experienced it, but you feel good and not something that makes you feel isolated.
Healing Back Pain: The mind body connection by Dr. John Sarno is the book Howard Stern mentions for chronic pain. The idea is referred to as TMS. Highly recommend book and idea.
Beautiful episode Kevin!!!
Does Dr. Jenn also use ketamine therapy?
I read Mathew Perry's autobiography...and in audible. He clearly relapsed and he knew what he was doing. That's the sad part
Thank you so much. This gives me hope.
Can I ask....how long from the injection until the time he came out of it and started talking to the doctor?
Thank you for this Great Video!
How high was the dose in mg/ kg I.m.?
May I ask why IM as opposed to IV?
Outstanding! Very interesting! I could’ve used something like this at different points in my life, somehow I’ve managed to fight through a lot and at the age of 60 things are much easier now.
I’ve had some great experiences with ketamine. A very helpful substance for self reflection. It’s interesting to see it being used in this setting. I heard David Attenborough uses ketamine. It’s very easy to become reliant on it, so definitely something to use in moderation. Maybe 2-4 times a year, as a checkpoint.
Those are some dope shoes, what's the model name? I can't find them on their site.
Follow up question: What about the risk of having a bad trip during your Ketamine session? Wouldn’t that be traumatizing to some people who might already be sensitive, whether that is from being a sensitive person to being with, or being more sensitive due to depression and/or anxiety?
Speaking from my own treatment experience, dealing with personal trauma within a series of ketamine sessions, I never experienced anything "scary" that would have further traumatized me. Rather, I tended to either have very deep, peaceful, spiritual experiences that gave me that sense of "it's all going to be ok" that Kevin talks about here, or else I had experiences that really tapped into the deeper traumas I was working through, and opened up flood gates of emotion. The latter type could certainly be "difficult", but only in the sense that I would sometimes feel such intense waves of grief that I would start to almost convulse with sobs. In those moments, my therapist (always in the room with me) offered calm support, but encouraged me to feel the feels, rather than run from them. This ultimately enabled me to gain a sense that I'd fully engaged with my traumas head on, but in a safe supportive headspace. Those difficult sessions ultimately proved to be some of the most valuable, while the peaceful ones were like the ultimate vacation.
Incredible video. I need this so bad!
What if the music starts to bug you? I am trying to imagine if it would for me because for instance music takes me out of meditation and sleep. I prefer completely quiet for those.
I've definitely had this problem in my own ketamine therapy sessions. I generally don't like a lot of words / lyrics, preferring something more instrumental / trippy. When the music is right, it really adds a great deal to the experience, but when it's wrong it can feel grating. I've even given feedback to my therapist when a particular playlist that they use has a track that doesn't work, and showed them how to setup Spotify to just skip those particular tracks in a playlist. :)
Detachment is awesome!
Thanks for sharing this experience Kevin. Dr Jenn is a fantastic practitioner. I have done several ketamine sessions with her and have had life-changing results. She is the BEST place in Los Angeles hands down.
Appreciate the transparency here. Can't help but feel like your sentiments with ketamine is what a user of any drug would feel.
It helps people cope with things.
exactly, what difference from controlled heroine use is this?!
If you think Ketamine is anything like other hard drugs like cocaine , then you have a lot to learn . Ketamine is a very unique substance which produces profound spiritual out of body-like experiences. Ketamine is also being approved in many places for clinical treatments . It has proven medical benefits for mental health issues like depression and PTSD . Did they approve heroine , meth or coke for clinical treatments? Does heroine treat depression ? No those hard drugs do not , all they do is mask the problem . Though mushrooms , lsd , DMT and Ketamine help you get to the root cause of your problems .
DOSE?
i wonder if Dr. Jennifer Ellice has experienced Ketamine treatment herself…
nobody talks about food and parasites
Hmmm…….sooooo - on this logic - should we be allowing people to take pain medications then on their own at home?
Especially if opioids specifically account for 70% of the 110,000 or so overdose deaths a year?
.01 % of overdoses were caused by ketamine - 138 deaths involved ketamine in 2022.
From 2019 to 2023 - less than 1% of overdose deaths had ketamine in their toxicology.
From 2019 to 2024 - 24 deaths total involved only ketamine.
3,000 people die a year from food poisoning.
Ketamine may be safer than eating out 🤷🏼♀️
92 people died of caffeine overdoses.
Let’s be realistic here about how “dangerous” medications are.
Maybe take the opioids away if we are worried about overdoses.
I wonder if she's ever seen the Disco Biscuits
Omg, I wish he would let her talk!
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟Thank you!
cold shower is cheaper
You should also talk about the risks of doing psychedelics. Nobody is talking about HPPD.
I wouldn't call ketamine a psychedelic in the same sense as "true psychedelics". It's a disassociative. Seperates your mind and body.
@@CryptoRoast_0 Yes that could be true but according to studies taking ketamine could trigger HPPD.
I thought that was usually from LSD. Can ketamine cause it?
HPPD ruins lives a friend of mine got it from taking weed and LSD together
@underflowexception according to studies, people in RUclips comments talk about shit they don't understand with confidence.
Rich people doing street drugs makes it bougie now?
Kevin is a little weird. Who wants to know what Michael Jackson felt before he died?
a little weird? a lot weird. i suppose they get bored now that they made their millions off of destroying the social fabric of society.
This stuff messed up Elon Musk in the head
If you mean made him ultra based and clear of mind on what really matters, and that he gained the ability to cut through deception, then yes.
@@4DTravelr nah it made him a tard, look at all his companies falling to trash.
I highly doubt that he did it in a clinic.
Ya, so messed up. Now he’s basically catching space rockets with chop sticks. What an idiot.
@@ChattySnatch You do know that’s mostly his engineers efforts right?
Horse tranq?
First?
Nope.
Cheezus…